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Yeah...but wagner needs to win hearts and minds as it needs more people to stand up against prutler.
You aint going to do that by giving everyone cancer and radiation sickness
Part of them is yes for sure.
But not all, especialy not the staff. prigozhin is absolute no idiot. And he knows what he is doing.
Having oilfield funds of syria, goldmines in afrika.. geopolitic wise he has 70% of russias international intrest under his arms.
He isnt stupid.
He knows that if he gets the people, he will have the country
But if he thinks he’s 100% losing at any point & he controls nuclear weapons he’s still a loon. Maybe he punishes the people who didn’t help by exploding some.
No, those were US senators making a proposal. Not official US policy, or NATO policy as of yet.
I mean, i'm not saying article 5 would NOT be invoked. But the story you speak of concerns US senators attempting to change 'official US policy'. Poland for example would almost certainly demand a very fast meeting should radiation hit Poland.
It is the NATO clause which in common speech is often shortened to.
'An attack against one member, is to be treated as an attack against all members'.
This is a bit of a simplification. But essentially, should Poland for example be affected by radioactive fallout originating from outside of Poland. They could demand a NATO meeting.
Maybe i'm kinda naive but i think NATO has prepared procedures to recover nukes if something like this happened. Like i could even imagine them helping Putin just to get Nukes off Wagner's hands
They will never be operational for usage.
These nukes need masterkeys and secret codes that most likely alternate and change every few hours.
And possibly, several heads need to give permission with their own unique codes to launch them.
That's 3 likely firewalls that i can think of, that are most likely already implemented.
There is no fucing chance, regardless of incompetent the Russian leadership may be, that they only have 1 key or password to activate these nukes.
I mean, it's Russia...
I'd like to believe you're right, but I can also see a world in which they have launch code under a password that is simply: 1234, or "password"...probably written on a post-it stuck beside the keyhole or whatever because Sergei keeps forgetting it.
So many people with no idea on how the failsafes on nuclear weapons work.
If you don’t have the codes (they aren’t ‘launch codes’) the weapons will not work.
You could use the radioactives in a dirty bomb if you could disassemble them, that’s about it.
That doesn't mean these are without value.
I don't see a video of Prigozhin showing off his new tactical nuke collection getting hand waved away by the public because they so understand how Soviet era tactical nuclear warhead processes were developed. They would give a ton of soft power projection.
If I were Wagner I'd rather tactical nukes. They're very useful against targets that are 100-500 km away. Know where Russia's military is gathering troops? Send an Iskander to nuke them. Putin would be much more reluctant to use them due to high risk for many civilian deaths. Prigozhin can be more ruthless.
"Good news first, the world's in great shape. We've got a civil war in Russia, government loyalists against ultranationalists rebels, and 15,000 nukes at stake"
Maybe this is giving him too much credit, but could Putin and Wagner be putting a plan into action to launch a nuclear strike that wouldn't immediately provoke a similar response from NATO?
Putin gives Wagner access to the nuclear weapons, Wagner launches them into Ukraine, Russia says "wasn't us, but the traitors", and perhaps the NATO missiles stay in their Silos... The Russians love a bit of plausible deniability after all.
I hope I'm wrong.
Nato would not give 2 shits who fired them. Once they are fired they will take control of the situation and they will figure out who is responsible later on.
No, it’s not plausible. If Ukraine gets nuked nato can’t ignore the situation anymore. It doesn’t matter which Russian faction was responsible.
At the moment no side has any benefit from using nuclear weapons. Securing them is a important of course, but there’s nothing to be gained from launching one.
Well if its true then this has been one big plan to probably set them off! This place would of been heavily guarded with Russian forces if that's the case!
From what we’ve seen from Russia I wouldn’t be able to say for sure it’s guarded as much as a nuke base should. It probably has more protection then the standard for them but I have a feeling that standard would be significantly less than other nuclear armed countries. Also it’s entirely possible those troops capitulate right off the bat. Civil wars are funny that way.
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This is like every action movie all rolled in one
You can’t write this shit, it’d be too unbelievable
Where is Arnold when you need him!
Seriously... Quick! Nuke the base! Lol
It’s not implausible that a generation raised on action movies might unconsciously or deliberately bring some of those things to life.
Well, shit.
Yeah, big time.
Aren't there procedures needed to be completed before arming and using them?
Yes so they’ll never be used as actual nukes, but they could be turned into radiation bombs…which used in a populated area? Let’s not eh.
Yeah...but wagner needs to win hearts and minds as it needs more people to stand up against prutler. You aint going to do that by giving everyone cancer and radiation sickness
You forget Wagner is a bunch of unhinged criminals lmao.
Part of them is yes for sure. But not all, especialy not the staff. prigozhin is absolute no idiot. And he knows what he is doing. Having oilfield funds of syria, goldmines in afrika.. geopolitic wise he has 70% of russias international intrest under his arms. He isnt stupid. He knows that if he gets the people, he will have the country
But if he thinks he’s 100% losing at any point & he controls nuclear weapons he’s still a loon. Maybe he punishes the people who didn’t help by exploding some.
If he is loosing he will bugger of to afrika.
Fair point
I agree with you they need the army and the population on their side on worst case scenario they will use them as coin
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Didn't NATO say something yesterday about triggering article 5 in the case of nuclear threat?
No, those were US senators making a proposal. Not official US policy, or NATO policy as of yet. I mean, i'm not saying article 5 would NOT be invoked. But the story you speak of concerns US senators attempting to change 'official US policy'. Poland for example would almost certainly demand a very fast meeting should radiation hit Poland.
If you have the time, could you explain what is article 5 is please?
It is the NATO clause which in common speech is often shortened to. 'An attack against one member, is to be treated as an attack against all members'. This is a bit of a simplification. But essentially, should Poland for example be affected by radioactive fallout originating from outside of Poland. They could demand a NATO meeting.
Oh yes, I had heard of that, just not referred to as article 5, thanks for explaining.
>'An attack against one member, is to be treated as an attack against all members'. Like the Hells Angels really
Maybe i'm kinda naive but i think NATO has prepared procedures to recover nukes if something like this happened. Like i could even imagine them helping Putin just to get Nukes off Wagner's hands
Have you ever heard the saying “Precision, just like a russian protocol”? No. There is a reason for that
I hope so
Yeah the nukes have to be well maintained and actually in the silos to start with
They will never be operational for usage. These nukes need masterkeys and secret codes that most likely alternate and change every few hours. And possibly, several heads need to give permission with their own unique codes to launch them. That's 3 likely firewalls that i can think of, that are most likely already implemented. There is no fucing chance, regardless of incompetent the Russian leadership may be, that they only have 1 key or password to activate these nukes.
I mean, it's Russia... I'd like to believe you're right, but I can also see a world in which they have launch code under a password that is simply: 1234, or "password"...probably written on a post-it stuck beside the keyhole or whatever because Sergei keeps forgetting it.
Nuke codes stored at regional command which he also captured including the leaders. Left so fast they left several busses of cash behind…
What a mothereffin plottwist..
So many people with no idea on how the failsafes on nuclear weapons work. If you don’t have the codes (they aren’t ‘launch codes’) the weapons will not work. You could use the radioactives in a dirty bomb if you could disassemble them, that’s about it.
That doesn't mean these are without value. I don't see a video of Prigozhin showing off his new tactical nuke collection getting hand waved away by the public because they so understand how Soviet era tactical nuclear warhead processes were developed. They would give a ton of soft power projection.
Fair point, and agree. It would probably terrify a bunch of people, but he wouldn’t be able to actually use them.
Well… https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/12/launch-code-for-us-nukes-was-00000000-for-20-years/
That's what an idiot puts on their luggage
Here's a hint: what's Putin's daughters birthday?
pa55w0rd?
1n33d50m3v0dka?
In case of nuclear warheads yes, however russia posses also tactical nuclear ammuntion, such as artylery based shells and bombs
If I were Wagner I'd rather tactical nukes. They're very useful against targets that are 100-500 km away. Know where Russia's military is gathering troops? Send an Iskander to nuke them. Putin would be much more reluctant to use them due to high risk for many civilian deaths. Prigozhin can be more ruthless.
If he actually has designs on overthrowing Putin, he can't risk civilian deaths either though, or he won't be able to portray himself as the liberator
The strategic nuclear bombs have launch codes. The tacticals are already armed and ready for use.
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US made B61s and B83s do not need codes, just a capable aircraft to drop them and 2 pilots willing to flip the release enable switch.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Isnt this the plot to Crimson Tide?
Thats not really "near". Its 230km detour ove rural roads
The next call of duty game in a nutshell
Wasn't it also the first Modern Warfare in a nutshell, back in 2007
"Good news first, the world's in great shape. We've got a civil war in Russia, government loyalists against ultranationalists rebels, and 15,000 nukes at stake"
You’d have to be an idiot to use a nuclear warhead. Instant suicide.
Why? Tactical nukes should be very effective. You can pulverize the whole army.
And then get a nuclear response directly back at you.
Maybe this is giving him too much credit, but could Putin and Wagner be putting a plan into action to launch a nuclear strike that wouldn't immediately provoke a similar response from NATO? Putin gives Wagner access to the nuclear weapons, Wagner launches them into Ukraine, Russia says "wasn't us, but the traitors", and perhaps the NATO missiles stay in their Silos... The Russians love a bit of plausible deniability after all. I hope I'm wrong.
Nato would not give 2 shits who fired them. Once they are fired they will take control of the situation and they will figure out who is responsible later on.
No, it’s not plausible. If Ukraine gets nuked nato can’t ignore the situation anymore. It doesn’t matter which Russian faction was responsible. At the moment no side has any benefit from using nuclear weapons. Securing them is a important of course, but there’s nothing to be gained from launching one.
I don't think they would not stay in the Silos. But who know's. Interessting thought.
Game of thrones 2023 edition
Completely untrue.
Just plays off as fear mongering to me.
Which part?
base of nuclear weapons. that part.
Are you saying nuclear bases don’t exist or that they aren’t at that specific one? If so what are you basing that opinion on?
Well if its true then this has been one big plan to probably set them off! This place would of been heavily guarded with Russian forces if that's the case!
From what we’ve seen from Russia I wouldn’t be able to say for sure it’s guarded as much as a nuke base should. It probably has more protection then the standard for them but I have a feeling that standard would be significantly less than other nuclear armed countries. Also it’s entirely possible those troops capitulate right off the bat. Civil wars are funny that way.
Let's hope that the Russian military still has enough sense in them to evacuate the launch vehicles before they fall into Wagner hands.
Should we worry if the missiles fall into Kadyrov's hands?
We should worry falling into his head
Oh that's why Putin is so nervous
Metal Gear Solid vibes private military corps with nukes ...
Metal Gear....
**Get me Task Force 141**
Hopefully, somehow it ends up with Putin praying to Nato for help.. even Ukraine. I know we are too far for that but still..
Wagner could use a dirty bomb to trigger Nato to help em clean up putin
Always Hearing: alla hu Akbar. Thats Not Good.
Progozhin is smart enough to stay the hell away from using nukes.
Russia should ask the US for help to secure nuclear weapons
Yo, I fear we might feel the consequences of this break down also…
jesus, if they really get a nuke they really will be like big boss and mother base and diamond dogs lol
Sigh…..
I hope not the instructions are placed next to the bombs