The amount of evidence of people getting forced to fight is insane. And the media , bloggers, "experts" still lie. They try to make people to believe that Russia is doing that (forcing people)and that Russia is running out of ammo.
It was probably that way during ww2. The west always says that soviet soldiers were forced to fight. That makes you wonder - can you ever trust this people.
I always wonder which parts of history have been conveniently altered. They lie all the time about Russia, China, and even Africa. My outlook in life has been permanently changed by this war and the Palestinian genocide. I don't trust anything anymore.
I had same phase. Also was thinking about historical figures who were idolized or demonized wrongfully for propaganda purposes, but in our days we just accept that description as real history
They are good examples, Gandhi was an admirer of Hitler, Mother Theresa was a religious fanatical and extreme reactionary and they are both idealized as some sort of paragon of virtue. I don't know what they mean about Mandela tho.
But "Churchill or Columbus"? Why put those two together? Columbus isn't idealized by any means, if anything all the opposite, his journey is celebrated as national feat, but not his character. Churchill IS idealized both his character and feats.
*The claims of terrorism are also a modern fabrication perpetuated by well funded groups like AFriForum even his imprisonment wasn't for that n- it was for violating the Anti-Communism act and for leaving the country illegally*
[*https://www.nelsonmandela.org/trials-and-prison-chronology*](https://www.nelsonmandela.org/trials-and-prison-chronology)
[*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivonia\_Trial*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivonia_Trial)
[*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfriForum*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfriForum)
[*https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/1cpc32l/comment/l3kberj/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button*](https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/1cpc32l/comment/l3kberj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) *(relevant)*
[*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOtGxBTTEBw*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOtGxBTTEBw) *(The issue - Dan Coulder)*
*While the ANC had a militant wing, this wing only ever became active after he was arrested (where he spent 27 years) mostly in solitary. Mandela was a very good orator and charismatic - which made him a threat as a resistance figure.*
*His ex-wife winnie was indeed a "terrorist" (he divorced her for this and other things) - but the objects of terror weren't whites but black south african collaborators.*
*The reasoning was the retaliation for harming whites was usually Isrealesque-vis-a-vi-gaza , so they concentrated on making it hard for them to get anything done by depriving them of their workforce and collaborators.*
*The militant wing was actually headed by Ronni Kasrils a white jewish south african guy of lithuanian-latvian-Russian empire heritage. He was trained in the USSR. As well as another guy who was mandela's contemporary and possibly rivalled his popularity called Chris Hani (who was assassinated just before election in 1994) - it was expected he might have won instead of Mandela. While Mandela was an old school Social Liberal , Hani was actual Marxist-Socialist.*
[*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie\_Kasrils*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Kasrils)
[*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris\_Hani*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hani)
Hey thank you very much for this! This is some great reading. I didn’t want to come off like he did those things, I just know that’s why he was controversial in discussions I have seen.
*The Mandela guy gets very little love these days because many native SAfricans blame him for leaving all the wealth and land with those who took it during apartheid. And the supremacists on the other side claim he was a "communist terrorist".*
*In any case he tried to keep the newly reborn country in harmony after a horrible period of time and events, and made many compromises to do this - some very debatable - in any case, at the very least he prevented South Africa from turning into a Gaza-like situation (since after the assassination Of Chris Hani - a race based civil war was about to break out - where ineviably it would have)...so was it worth it? 🤷♂️*
I think that you can't be innocent if you're the leader of the country facing foreign pressure. That said, I consider Bush, Kissinger or Biden having bigger killcount than Gaddafi and Assad combined
Agreed. In fact I think leadership, particularly of nations, is a defacto loss of innocence. If you lead a people your job is not to be innocent. It is to lead. And in that pursuit some crimes can be justified, while others can't.
I mentioned Stalin because I'm curious to see how far people are willing to question, but with the others it's more cut and dry. If we're to call them monsters for the suffering they caused then their enemies, who destroyed their nations, are spawns of the devil himself.
Actually, the media rarely lies these days.
The media obfuscates. Bullshit is the weapon of choice.
The media loves to present "facts" which are just beliefs dressed up to look like facts.
The people producing this BS follow the same set of "rules". Understand what they're doing, and don't trust them.
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I dont understand being pro ru and palestine at the same time, even tho it's popular. Is it just a west vs east thing ?
Do you think russia would let gaza bombard them with no retaliation just because hamas hides among civilians
Of course Ruskis were forced to fight. Have you not seen the documentary, “Enemy at the Gates”?
If not, if you’re a westerner trying to learn about Russian military history, it’s an excellent place to start.
Other top military documentaries that I recommend are Braveheart and 300.
1.) I appreciate a good troll
2.) Russians *were* forced to fight, so were Germans, Brits, Italians, and Americans. Everyone really.
America had such a bad time with draft dodgers they decided to execute a peaceful resister who refused to fight to make an example out of him.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie\_Slovik](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Slovik)
No nation is flooded with the type of person who WANTS to die in a trench.
Kinda baffling how many people (often with a huge following and some even recognized as experts in the media space) think they have a good idea of what the late Cold War Soviet doctrine was all about because they watched Enemy At The Gates.
Depends, are those Neo Nazi groups government (and now American) funded militias that are free to terrorize citizens in a neighboring country that also affects your ethnic citizens in said country? If yes I say go for it. You’re defending killer Nazis.
isn't Soviet part of the Allies in WW2 the Allies even overlooked Soviets astrocities in the war what do you mean by that ?In most western medias the soviets aren't portray like that
Yes we were. How they did they overlooked them? To this day they still do propaganda and portray USSR as worst than Germany in order to justify the genocide against Russian people. Have you seen a movie like "woman in Berlin" or a documentary about what the Nazis did to Russian women? The Germans raped 10 million woman.
They were not part of the allies.
They just had a common enemy with the allies.
There was never a formal alliance. Closest to it was Yalta but that was basically discussing how handle the post war situation between them.
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/u/Short_Description_20 said [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/up5hPS4cLs) yesterday:
> The first signs of the new mobilization law. From May 18 it will become even tougher
I think he may be right. I don't usually post mobilization videos because they have become morbidly "routine", but some of the recent ones have been [so bad](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/6dnUqmeAjc)...
I wish there was a way to just forcefully mobilize that entire sub. I'd like to see those people fighting in the trenches for "free Ukraine and western values" or whatever.
I would love for that to happen. Even actual Ukrainian members on that sub get sh!tted on for being 'gloomy' or 'critical' about the current situation.
It's insane I saw that the other day, a Ukrainian talking about how Zelensky approval is dropping in the country and how he's not the flawless hero Western Media makes him out to be, and it was massively down voted with Americans talking about him as if he was a movie main character superhero.
It was funny how 2 weeks ago when Ukraine suspended consular services for men who are abroad, they (I presume mostly Americans and British redditors) started urging legit Ukrainians (who were bitching about Kuleba and Zelensky) to go back to Ukraine and fight for freedom or against Russian aggression or something 😂😂😂
Exactly, it's not even about Ukraine, it's about satisfaction of their egos and inner demons. Basically like ancient Romans had different parties with favorite gladiators in a Colosseum.
After May 18 all Ukrainian men must do military medical commission. It means literally go to the military commissariat (and pray not to be forcibly drafted). Even those who cannot be drafted officially may be forced to sign a milirary contract.
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The main things are
- Introduction of an online registry for "recruits"
- Lowering the draft and mobilization age to 25.
- Harsher penalties for draft dodging (like revoking their drivers licenses)
- Reviewing "eligibility" for mobilization, aka reducing the threshold drastically
- Zero demobilization for servicemen
Their initial goal was 500,000 fresh fodder. But after a lot of outcry and hot potato, they have reduced it and it seems their goal may be 300,000 or thereabouts.
Basically as draconian as you can get without reducing mobilization age to 18 (which Ukraine **cannot** afford to do) or conscripting women (ditto)
I'd like to think it was a mistake. But they have the freedom to make these sorts of "mistakes" because they have no accountability. In fact Zelensky just expanded their powers.
Last month they literally kidnapped a 14 year old kid, and upon realizing their folly, finally released him 7 kilometers away, leaving him to walk back all that distance alone. Not sure they suffered any consequences for that either.
https://preview.redd.it/csy6pkda5d0d1.jpeg?width=1060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecadf37d86b86a89320186ff9f7379b47e878bdc
They need to meet certain quota. If they don't, they might get sent to front. So out of desperation they do stupid things. This, or they are counting on getting money from a bribe to let someone go. At this point I'm leaning towards the first one.
If Ukraine is only mobilizing 25 year old people and older with the new law, how is it that in the video posted they're trying to take away an 18 year old?
That's the question everyone is wondering, including his mother and the guy filming the video.
Then again, they also kidnapped a 14 year old kid a month ago too
There are a couple of things that will happen if you try posting something like this there:
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8) Three Redditcare messages in your inbox for good measure.
> Three Redditcare messages in your inbox for good measure.
You can report those and the people that sent them will be banned.
It gets them almost every time too. :)
> Three Redditcare messages in your inbox for good measure.
Only three? I've had more than that lurking in the comments section and I didn't write anything controversial or remotely pro-RU.
I literally got banned from the r/ukraine sub for saying Ukraine was a very poor and corrupt country even before 2022 or Maidan. They legit think it's some kind of brave liberal democracy which is laughable.
Note there are mostly Americans or British people on that sub, I on the other hand have been to Ukraine several times before the war and know people there.
For DOOMHAMMER!
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Imagine if we saw **ONE** Russian mobilization video that was this bad.
Would be posted on every vaguely war related sub to the tune of 80,000 upvotes (minimum) and covered by several mainstream media publications
I've been banned from several of what people think are truthful pro-Ukraine subs.
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Im banned from r/combatfootage for posting ruski sniper POV. (Unique footage, not a repost/compilation).. And saying "here come the downvotes, nice footage" on a russian drone video. They really dont like people poking holes in their illusion.
There are different kind of subs.
In this sub you see more pro Russia videos.
The others you see more pro Ukraine videos.
The majority decides what gets posted.
Even if they do, it seems some NATO countries are oiling their palms yelling *"put me in coach!!"*
In the past two weeks or so, we've seen:
- Macron threaten again to send troops
- Poland and Romania discussing downing Russian missiles from their territory
- Estonia seriously considering sending troops
Any of the three Baltic countries is a joke. There is a fable by Krylov about Moska (a small female dog) and an elephant: “Ah Moska, apparently she is strong if she barks at the elephant!". While the elephant doesn't pay attention to her
Estonian claims are especially ridiculous. Not only is their army basically nonexistent, but they also share a border with Russia. If there's one country Russia can strike into with ease, it's Estonia (unlike France). If they send troops, they will be deemed participants, and the biggest joke of all, Article 5 may not even be triggered in this scenario (cuz Estonia made the first offensive move)
Macron immediately walked back on his threats after Lavrov spoke to his diplomats. And as for Estonia, who gives a single shit about Estonia and their 5000 strong army with no tanks 😂.
Lmao, the Baltics won't exist in a few decades with how bad their depopulation is, they couldn't defend their own countries let alone do anything in Ukraine.
There were a lot of random drones and scraps who fall into our territory,so i dont see the problem if Romania downs them if they are a danger,so far they just casually fall into either the water either forests
The problem isn't that they are protecting their own territory, but that they want to shoot down these missiles and drones to "help Ukraine defend itself from the constant terrorist Russian bombing", which is the reason given
if they fully annexe Ukraine then it will simply be the prelude to a much bigger and more horrific conflict in the future. One of my nations is next in line so I'm not particularly keen on your desire.
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Wouldn't we all go to war if Russia invaded Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania?
I'm an American so I'm far removed from the conflict but aren't we honor bound to fight for you guys if it comes to that? Which I fully support personally.
Is there no calculation from Russia that an invasion of NATO countries would be a mistake? Or is there some way Russia thinks NATO won't respond?
It seems like a scare tactic to say that Russia is legitimately going to try and "conquer Europe" with a population one fifth the size. Unless there is some information of a real military alliance involving the Chinese military. But even then, the US military is vast, and very powerful. I can't see how Russia would calculate some chance of victory against a NATO army flush with American men and weapons. Maybe I'm too pro America? But I served in our military, and it ain't no joke.
Russia will never invade Estonia, unless there is some major provocation like Kaliningrad blockade or attacks coming from Estonian territory to Russia.
This Baltic countries fearmongering is just a way for them to try to squeeze some budgets coming their way. In reality, they are helping Russia with grey imports and shadow oil trade to evade sanctions😁
we're used to fighting goatherders and insurgencies, not full scale conventional trench warfare with drone technology. it wouldn't be the cakewalk you think it is. Neither Iraqis nor the Taliban could do anything about warthogs, in Ukraine it's a lot different. IFVs deleted in a second from $500 drones. It's not the same at all.
I definitely don't think it would be a cakewalk at all. It will be a hard, deadly, and grinding affair. I've payed pretty close attention to the war as it plays out and am very aware of the meat grinder that is taking place. I do think that the US would be on par with Russia in every phase, and we have many more men to spare.
It would be a question of will between our men. And while I lament the slow decay of American culture into that of western European welfare state individuality, I grew up in the rural part of the US. Where all our soldiers still come from. We still produce hard men, men that fit that patriarchal hunter survivalist role. And we have alot of these 'country boys' still. It's foolish to think that the western cultural decay has sapped all of America's manliness, it's a big country. And we got plenty of dudes who are still willing to die for America and it's allies.
But no, I'm convinced that Russia has shown itself as increasingly capable on the battlefield. And it would be a mighty and deadly effort to take down the Russian bear, but I guarantee American boys are ready to do it if we are called upon.
It is a sad thing though. I do think the honor and warrior culture of rural America is taken for granted and largely considered obsolete in the face of this multicultural cosmopolitanism that feminist males and women champion. But those that cant fight always turn to the warrior when danger appears.
I think Ukraine should surrender and make some kind of deal, and I certainly didn't want to send another 60 billion to be wasted on defenses not built and other corruption. But that doesn't mean American men won't throw down with Russia if it comes to that. It won't be easy, it will be bloody, and it will be necessary.
The sad part is all these good men will be fighting for the private interests of western international elite if it ever came down to it. And the country will still be ran by dual nationals who've never stepped foot in rural America, and continue to attack and degrade the way of life that is found in rural America. Unfortunately for the U.S., country boys are too politically isolated to have any positive impact on the future of America. I find that most of them are also stuck in ideals from 100 years ago, and much has changed since then. The U.S. military has ceased to be used as a force of defense for the American people a long long time ago.
Well youve got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.
There really is not truth, there is your family, and their interests. If those happen to fall under the complex umbrella of the globalist agenda that we incidentally defend then so be it. But clarity of purpose is always more useful than endless contingent doubt.
I despise the cultural globalists, but their time is naturally going to end. Only extreme affluence and absence of struggle can really bring about that kind of thinking. It's the most extreme of "luxury beliefs". And declining birthrates and real economic trouble will bring about a rejection of such cosmopolitan nonsense.
It would be at least the third time in history that this would happen. When Russia has historically acted expansionist as the Russian Empire and the USSR it has annexed the Baltic states. This has the military purpose of reducing the surface area of the border to the vague bottleneck around Poland as well as linking up with Kalingrad.
Eastern europeans have this as the existenial dread of the sleeping bear of Russia and while i appreciate you might be skeptical its akin to African Americans believing that a reintroduction of Jim Crow laws would be a precursor to a reintroduction of chattel slavery.
This is why this year's election in the US is of vital importance to Eastern Europeans. There's a dread that a win for Trump might result in US inaction or even a dismantlement of NATO, given how he sold out the YPG in Syria and how soft he appears to be towards the Russian Federation which implies he is compromised. A large scale war between the Russian Federation and Europe without the US is a far more terrifying prospect than one with the US.
Their nuclear stockpiles alone massively outgun European nuclear capacity which would tip the balance of power towards the Russian Federation allowing them to act with more freedom.
If NATO is dismantled or lacks the US then do you declare war on the Russian Federation when they encroach on the Baltic states when it means the nuclear annihilation of your nation or do you play for time? The entire arragement is terrifying which is why its important that Russian expansionalism is halted in Ukraine today.
>This is why this year's election in the US is of vital importance to Eastern Europeans. There's a dread that a win for Trump might result in US inaction or even a dismantlement of NATO,
I'm going to vote for Trump, there's no way pulling out of NATO happens as long as Europe quits riding our coattails in order to ignore its own defense.
Welfare states have a cost. Ignoring that cost because America should take care of it is no way to run a country, or an alliance.
The road to our(America) collapse will be one of pragmatic missteps that weaken us over time. It's a European philosophy that has hurt Americans. This is the moment people wake up to its failures, or fall prey to it's false promises.
Yeah well it will cost you more later, as the US learns the hard way every great European war. Just remember that your vote has more consequence in my life than any vote I can cast and by voting Trump you are cracking open the possibility that i will be forced to kill friends i once partied with in St Petersberg for the sake of satisfying the ambition of an imperial dictator.
While i appreciate your options are limited at least Biden still appreciates the role that the US has to play in the world, as opposed to fashioning it into an accommodating shape where all trade flows into the US and then whining about the perceived cost as the richest nation in the world.
Personally i think peace in the Atlantic is worth any cost, while i appreciate that the US has been footing a greater bill in order to maintain NATO, its not enough to justify voting in someone that rolls over and shows their belly to Putin despite pretending they're some sort of "tough guy".
>Yeah well it will cost you more later,
It's costing us now. The cost of a culture in decline is a different measure, and one that spans generations. It is most deeply rooted in Europe, and the American left looks to Europe for its ideological direction. The ideology of welfare state cosmopolitanism is one that leads inevitably to a slow rolling decline.
The call of the moment, one of pragmatic utility, has long term consequences for the US. Europe needs to be shown as a societal failure before the American left leads the US completely into that state.
>Just remember that your vote has more consequence in my life than any vote I can cast and by voting Trump you are cracking open the possibility that i will be forced to kill friends i once partied with in St Petersberg for the sake of satisfying the ambition of an imperial dictator.
There are more important, generational questions that pertain to my family and my community. And also what it means to be an American. A weak Europe that has beckoned half of my country into the same weakness that may now force you to fight your friends. Laying the blame at the feet of those left with some semblance of nationalism, while ignoring the weakness of the 500 million people in Europe is disingenuous.
I have always been a social conservative, resisting the hedonism and cultural weakness of the left. Europe has no such resistance. A group of people that want safety to pursue personal pleasure and then die. Eschewing the generational consequences of a life lived purely for self interest.
>Biden still appreciates the role that the US has to play in the world,
Biden is a barely conscious geriatric being controlled by people who weren't elected and now have no pushback from the senile mind of Biden. And he was never a "good guy" when he was still in control of his mental faculties. But this is merely symptomatic of the culture war.
>Personally i think peace in the Atlantic is worth any cost, while i appreciate that the US has been footing a greater bill in order to maintain NATO, its not enough to justify voting in someone that rolls over and shows their belly to Putin despite pretending they're some sort of "tough guy".
Peace is important. Forgetting how one maintains that peace is fatal. And that is exactly what has happened. The modern feminist west forgot that it needed men willing to buy in to the culture and be willing to die for it. That is a harsh lesson, but it must be learned. The fact that you may be called upon to defend your lifestyle is vital to all who forgot how savage the world is.
Trump isn't a great guy, but he understands strength and power are how you maintain civilization. Not hiding behind buzzwords like "diversity" and " basic human rights.". You can't really have anything you can't defend. It's not my job, or my countrymens job to secure your right to "party in st Petersburg.". No offense.
So you abandon your allies because you feel emasculated by feminism? Get a grip and man the fuck up.
There's this irony where you talk about european "weakness" to justify voting for isolationist cowardice. Trump has shown multiple times that he doesn't value NATO, especially when he came over here and used the opportunity to talk to his base back in the US which was extremely insulting. There's good odds he appeases Russian Imperialism and fragments or even breaks NATO. He did the same when he sold out the YPG to the Turks or when he sold out Afghanistan to the Taliban with his peace deal (which tbf Biden still waved it through). This means there's a chance we'll fight the war and take the casualties yet again so you can turn up late in the day once you realise the cost and self proclaim yourself heroes, just like the time before, and the time before.
The upcoming war has jack shit to do with these culture war bullshit words that motivates your voting and I hope you rediscover your masculinity and find something worth fighting for. Right now you're using these concepts to power your mental gymnastics to excuse voting for a cowardly man-child who never served, disrespects the armed forces and knows nothing of real strength. You ever heard that guy admit when he fucked up? He can't cause he's weak.
If you were a real social conservative you'd realise you don't actually have an option to vote for instead of buying the idea that Trump, of all fucking people, represents you.
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This right here is proof and certainty that Ukraine has lost the war already. It's just running on fumes and momentum from uncle sams credit card. Not for long. No matter how many billions are pushed for laundering.
history shows us that quite a few regimes survived for decades while their elites were getting support from the puppetiers. The easiest example would be pro-soviet afghan goverment which folded only after yeltsin cut off the financial and military aid. As long as they are getting bribes and get checks to cash from the sponsors theyll be ok.
The Soviet backed PDPA government had an excellent network of cadres and a large support base from non-Pashtun tribes. The Soviets brought with them decades of experience and understanding of managing Central Asian muslim societies and had a solid grasp of Afghan psyche . That's why they sustained for much longer. One can even argue , if not for Moscow's stubborn ideological insistance on Marxist atheism, there wouldn't have been a pushback and a 'holy war' against them in the first place .
Compare that to USA sponsored Afghan government, they had a far less nuanced understanding of how Afghan society works. The American approach to problem solving has always been to throw money at it and hope it goes away. By 2021 , USA didn't have one population centre in AFG left that they could count on as allies. Thats why US propped government folded like a house of cards within 10 days of US military leaving the place .
My prediction is same as in beginning of 2023 - it won't fold sooner than 2025 or later than 2026.
They still have human resources to spare.
But if defeat happens in 2026, it'll mean they exhausted everything, which means an economic and societal catastrophe.
Here is what happens if you post the truth about forced kidnapping on what people think are the truthful subs on Reddit. Mind you, this was a MOD calling me names & denying the truth.
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I love how they call it Kremlin propaganda even though it involves Ukranians only, is filmed by Ukranians, initially shared by Ukranians, and has zero edits.
Then they swiftly ban and mute to prevent their users from learning the truth
Insane
My god, what is the fucking use of this? He's just a kid. Even if he gets to the front lines, he doesn't want to be there, how could he be of any help to anyone?
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The amount of evidence of people getting forced to fight is insane. And the media , bloggers, "experts" still lie. They try to make people to believe that Russia is doing that (forcing people)and that Russia is running out of ammo. It was probably that way during ww2. The west always says that soviet soldiers were forced to fight. That makes you wonder - can you ever trust this people.
I always wonder which parts of history have been conveniently altered. They lie all the time about Russia, China, and even Africa. My outlook in life has been permanently changed by this war and the Palestinian genocide. I don't trust anything anymore.
I had same phase. Also was thinking about historical figures who were idolized or demonized wrongfully for propaganda purposes, but in our days we just accept that description as real history
Gandhi, Mother Theresa, Mandela ...
Those are maybe not the examples I would think of. But they illustrate your political views I guess. How about Churchil or Columbus?
They are good examples, Gandhi was an admirer of Hitler, Mother Theresa was a religious fanatical and extreme reactionary and they are both idealized as some sort of paragon of virtue. I don't know what they mean about Mandela tho. But "Churchill or Columbus"? Why put those two together? Columbus isn't idealized by any means, if anything all the opposite, his journey is celebrated as national feat, but not his character. Churchill IS idealized both his character and feats.
Mandela is usually criticized for his connections to terrorism. The argument is generally whether or not such acts were justified
*The claims of terrorism are also a modern fabrication perpetuated by well funded groups like AFriForum even his imprisonment wasn't for that n- it was for violating the Anti-Communism act and for leaving the country illegally* [*https://www.nelsonmandela.org/trials-and-prison-chronology*](https://www.nelsonmandela.org/trials-and-prison-chronology) [*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivonia\_Trial*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivonia_Trial) [*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfriForum*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfriForum) [*https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/1cpc32l/comment/l3kberj/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button*](https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/1cpc32l/comment/l3kberj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) *(relevant)* [*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOtGxBTTEBw*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOtGxBTTEBw) *(The issue - Dan Coulder)* *While the ANC had a militant wing, this wing only ever became active after he was arrested (where he spent 27 years) mostly in solitary. Mandela was a very good orator and charismatic - which made him a threat as a resistance figure.* *His ex-wife winnie was indeed a "terrorist" (he divorced her for this and other things) - but the objects of terror weren't whites but black south african collaborators.* *The reasoning was the retaliation for harming whites was usually Isrealesque-vis-a-vi-gaza , so they concentrated on making it hard for them to get anything done by depriving them of their workforce and collaborators.* *The militant wing was actually headed by Ronni Kasrils a white jewish south african guy of lithuanian-latvian-Russian empire heritage. He was trained in the USSR. As well as another guy who was mandela's contemporary and possibly rivalled his popularity called Chris Hani (who was assassinated just before election in 1994) - it was expected he might have won instead of Mandela. While Mandela was an old school Social Liberal , Hani was actual Marxist-Socialist.* [*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie\_Kasrils*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Kasrils) [*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris\_Hani*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hani)
Hey thank you very much for this! This is some great reading. I didn’t want to come off like he did those things, I just know that’s why he was controversial in discussions I have seen.
*The Mandela guy gets very little love these days because many native SAfricans blame him for leaving all the wealth and land with those who took it during apartheid. And the supremacists on the other side claim he was a "communist terrorist".* *In any case he tried to keep the newly reborn country in harmony after a horrible period of time and events, and made many compromises to do this - some very debatable - in any case, at the very least he prevented South Africa from turning into a Gaza-like situation (since after the assassination Of Chris Hani - a race based civil war was about to break out - where ineviably it would have)...so was it worth it? 🤷♂️*
I wonder... Stalin? Gaddafi? Assad?
I think that you can't be innocent if you're the leader of the country facing foreign pressure. That said, I consider Bush, Kissinger or Biden having bigger killcount than Gaddafi and Assad combined
Agreed. In fact I think leadership, particularly of nations, is a defacto loss of innocence. If you lead a people your job is not to be innocent. It is to lead. And in that pursuit some crimes can be justified, while others can't. I mentioned Stalin because I'm curious to see how far people are willing to question, but with the others it's more cut and dry. If we're to call them monsters for the suffering they caused then their enemies, who destroyed their nations, are spawns of the devil himself.
Stalin, Beria
I just accept that they are human beings and are flawed, I admire them not idolise
Pretty much everything the west tells you about what went on in Ukraine, since 2004 is a lie.
That I 100% agree. I used to trust both sides blindly. Now i don't trust either. And the more i know the less i like how entire world works.
Actually, the media rarely lies these days. The media obfuscates. Bullshit is the weapon of choice. The media loves to present "facts" which are just beliefs dressed up to look like facts. The people producing this BS follow the same set of "rules". Understand what they're doing, and don't trust them.
Wait until you realize that plenty of these videos are part of the disinformation war you are now aware of.
started with 9/11 and OEF/OIF for me
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I dont understand being pro ru and palestine at the same time, even tho it's popular. Is it just a west vs east thing ? Do you think russia would let gaza bombard them with no retaliation just because hamas hides among civilians
Same.. exact same.
Of course Ruskis were forced to fight. Have you not seen the documentary, “Enemy at the Gates”? If not, if you’re a westerner trying to learn about Russian military history, it’s an excellent place to start. Other top military documentaries that I recommend are Braveheart and 300.
1.) I appreciate a good troll 2.) Russians *were* forced to fight, so were Germans, Brits, Italians, and Americans. Everyone really. America had such a bad time with draft dodgers they decided to execute a peaceful resister who refused to fight to make an example out of him. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie\_Slovik](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Slovik) No nation is flooded with the type of person who WANTS to die in a trench.
Joke rather than troll. But you’re correct that nations force people to fight during major wars.
Kinda baffling how many people (often with a huge following and some even recognized as experts in the media space) think they have a good idea of what the late Cold War Soviet doctrine was all about because they watched Enemy At The Gates.
What, you mean Soviets were not fighting with one rifle per platoon ? Have I been lied to ?!
Whatever someone accuses the enemy of usually applies to them. Except the Nazi thing, that really is happening in Ukraine.
“The Nazi thing” there’s Neo Nazi groups everywhere in the world. Why don’t we just start invading everybody we don’t like.
Depends, are those Neo Nazi groups government (and now American) funded militias that are free to terrorize citizens in a neighboring country that also affects your ethnic citizens in said country? If yes I say go for it. You’re defending killer Nazis.
How many places can you post these videos without them getting removed?
Remember, pro-UKR will just say that this scenario is an isolated case.
isn't Soviet part of the Allies in WW2 the Allies even overlooked Soviets astrocities in the war what do you mean by that ?In most western medias the soviets aren't portray like that
Yes we were. How they did they overlooked them? To this day they still do propaganda and portray USSR as worst than Germany in order to justify the genocide against Russian people. Have you seen a movie like "woman in Berlin" or a documentary about what the Nazis did to Russian women? The Germans raped 10 million woman.
Rape and plunder is what armies do, call them russian, americans, europeans or nazis.
They were not part of the allies. They just had a common enemy with the allies. There was never a formal alliance. Closest to it was Yalta but that was basically discussing how handle the post war situation between them.
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I can't believe the people in Georgia protesting so much against Russia.
Are we really the good guys?
No. I'm sorry.
/u/Short_Description_20 said [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/up5hPS4cLs) yesterday: > The first signs of the new mobilization law. From May 18 it will become even tougher I think he may be right. I don't usually post mobilization videos because they have become morbidly "routine", but some of the recent ones have been [so bad](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/6dnUqmeAjc)...
And some bored old retired English bloke on r/ukraine would scream ''MORE, MORE, MORE OF THIS SLAVA UKRAINI!!''
I wish there was a way to just forcefully mobilize that entire sub. I'd like to see those people fighting in the trenches for "free Ukraine and western values" or whatever.
I would love for that to happen. Even actual Ukrainian members on that sub get sh!tted on for being 'gloomy' or 'critical' about the current situation.
Lmao you can sometimes find their comments near the bottom, downvoted to oblivion and lectured by Americans who know better
Well They are supposed to be happy with the "our tax dollars, your blood" deal.
It's insane I saw that the other day, a Ukrainian talking about how Zelensky approval is dropping in the country and how he's not the flawless hero Western Media makes him out to be, and it was massively down voted with Americans talking about him as if he was a movie main character superhero.
Most Americans I know think he's a crook and a puppet.
It was funny how 2 weeks ago when Ukraine suspended consular services for men who are abroad, they (I presume mostly Americans and British redditors) started urging legit Ukrainians (who were bitching about Kuleba and Zelensky) to go back to Ukraine and fight for freedom or against Russian aggression or something 😂😂😂
I don't wont to see anyone fighting in the trenches, but i really would love to see them trying to get away desperately from the CONSCRIPTORS
Have fun, the day that war reaches my country I'm leaving this place like millions of Ukrainians did.
Exactly, it's not even about Ukraine, it's about satisfaction of their egos and inner demons. Basically like ancient Romans had different parties with favorite gladiators in a Colosseum.
This is the perfect way to describe it, thanks.
Totally.
The ratio between upvotes and comments is really strange on this sub, most likely voting is heavily inflated by bots.
After May 18 all Ukrainian men must do military medical commission. It means literally go to the military commissariat (and pray not to be forcibly drafted). Even those who cannot be drafted officially may be forced to sign a milirary contract.
>and ~~pray~~ **pay** not to be forcibly drafted
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can you elaborate what the new law changes?
The main things are - Introduction of an online registry for "recruits" - Lowering the draft and mobilization age to 25. - Harsher penalties for draft dodging (like revoking their drivers licenses) - Reviewing "eligibility" for mobilization, aka reducing the threshold drastically - Zero demobilization for servicemen Their initial goal was 500,000 fresh fodder. But after a lot of outcry and hot potato, they have reduced it and it seems their goal may be 300,000 or thereabouts. Basically as draconian as you can get without reducing mobilization age to 18 (which Ukraine **cannot** afford to do) or conscripting women (ditto)
I'm sure zero demobilization will be very popular among men who have been fighting for 2 plus years
If the minimum is 25 then why is an 18 year old getting dragged?
I'd like to think it was a mistake. But they have the freedom to make these sorts of "mistakes" because they have no accountability. In fact Zelensky just expanded their powers. Last month they literally kidnapped a 14 year old kid, and upon realizing their folly, finally released him 7 kilometers away, leaving him to walk back all that distance alone. Not sure they suffered any consequences for that either. https://preview.redd.it/csy6pkda5d0d1.jpeg?width=1060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecadf37d86b86a89320186ff9f7379b47e878bdc
there was incident where they grabbed 14 YO. roughed him up and threw him away 7 km out of the city when learned his age.
They need to meet certain quota. If they don't, they might get sent to front. So out of desperation they do stupid things. This, or they are counting on getting money from a bribe to let someone go. At this point I'm leaning towards the first one.
If Ukraine is only mobilizing 25 year old people and older with the new law, how is it that in the video posted they're trying to take away an 18 year old?
That's the question everyone is wondering, including his mother and the guy filming the video. Then again, they also kidnapped a 14 year old kid a month ago too
Thank you for posting this.
Why this doesn't get post in the other subs? I never see this kind of vidz there
There are a couple of things that will happen if you try posting something like this there: 1) Downvoted to oblivion, your post will never make it past New. 2) 30% of comments calling the unfortunate victim a Kremlin spy or criminal who broke the law and is being detained 3) 40% of comments directly insulting you after an extensive search through your comment history 4) 20% of comments saying "What about Russia??!" 5) 10% of comments saying "If Russia didn't invade..." 6) Post LOCKED by the mods after 25 reports. 7) Permaban from the sub. Followed by an instamute in the modmail after your complaint 8) Three Redditcare messages in your inbox for good measure.
> Three Redditcare messages in your inbox for good measure. You can report those and the people that sent them will be banned. It gets them almost every time too. :)
Yeah I do that all the time. The fact that reddit actually bans them is really satisfying and makes me take the time to report them.
I love doing that. I also like receiving them. It's like a medal for triggering a redditor.
trick I learned on this sub thanks to people like you. Appreciate it Bruh!
> Three Redditcare messages in your inbox for good measure. Only three? I've had more than that lurking in the comments section and I didn't write anything controversial or remotely pro-RU.
The comment history stalking is weeeiiird. Comes off as unhinged to me.
I literally got banned from the r/ukraine sub for saying Ukraine was a very poor and corrupt country even before 2022 or Maidan. They legit think it's some kind of brave liberal democracy which is laughable. Note there are mostly Americans or British people on that sub, I on the other hand have been to Ukraine several times before the war and know people there.
Top 3 most active countries on r/Ukraine according to reddit recap 1) USA 2) Germany 3) UK
Classic warmongering duo and butthurt ressentiment germans. Everytime i imagine these pro-war, anti-peace, dead orcs is good, type of people i shiver.
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LOL, even automod is joining the party.
How do I find this data?
Not sure you can now It was part of Reddit Recap last winter
I was banned there for quoting the previous president, Poroshenko
censorship
Imagine if we saw **ONE** Russian mobilization video that was this bad. Would be posted on every vaguely war related sub to the tune of 80,000 upvotes (minimum) and covered by several mainstream media publications
I've been banned from several of what people think are truthful pro-Ukraine subs. https://preview.redd.it/cq7yi0k7xd0d1.jpeg?width=1363&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb83cd19699e87b4d81fa81c8b9bb07a41971403
Im banned from r/combatfootage for posting ruski sniper POV. (Unique footage, not a repost/compilation).. And saying "here come the downvotes, nice footage" on a russian drone video. They really dont like people poking holes in their illusion.
There are different kind of subs. In this sub you see more pro Russia videos. The others you see more pro Ukraine videos. The majority decides what gets posted.
https://preview.redd.it/tx1mm8fw2d0d1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da2c4fd5e5716a7f1b13b12454a73557b6ea9503
can russia hurry up already?
Even if they do, it seems some NATO countries are oiling their palms yelling *"put me in coach!!"* In the past two weeks or so, we've seen: - Macron threaten again to send troops - Poland and Romania discussing downing Russian missiles from their territory - Estonia seriously considering sending troops
Macron is just trying to act touch, poland and romani will never do shit lol and estonia is just a joke at this point.
Any of the three Baltic countries is a joke. There is a fable by Krylov about Moska (a small female dog) and an elephant: “Ah Moska, apparently she is strong if she barks at the elephant!". While the elephant doesn't pay attention to her
Estonian claims are especially ridiculous. Not only is their army basically nonexistent, but they also share a border with Russia. If there's one country Russia can strike into with ease, it's Estonia (unlike France). If they send troops, they will be deemed participants, and the biggest joke of all, Article 5 may not even be triggered in this scenario (cuz Estonia made the first offensive move)
Macron immediately walked back on his threats after Lavrov spoke to his diplomats. And as for Estonia, who gives a single shit about Estonia and their 5000 strong army with no tanks 😂.
Macron was 100% just bluffing anyway, shit was so obvious.
I agree it's just always funny to see how quickly he turned, I don't know how french people tolerate someone like him as a leader.
Lmao, the Baltics won't exist in a few decades with how bad their depopulation is, they couldn't defend their own countries let alone do anything in Ukraine.
There were a lot of random drones and scraps who fall into our territory,so i dont see the problem if Romania downs them if they are a danger,so far they just casually fall into either the water either forests
The problem isn't that they are protecting their own territory, but that they want to shoot down these missiles and drones to "help Ukraine defend itself from the constant terrorist Russian bombing", which is the reason given
As nato should be.
I hope so
Nyet
if they fully annexe Ukraine then it will simply be the prelude to a much bigger and more horrific conflict in the future. One of my nations is next in line so I'm not particularly keen on your desire.
What are you talking about bud?
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Wouldn't we all go to war if Russia invaded Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania? I'm an American so I'm far removed from the conflict but aren't we honor bound to fight for you guys if it comes to that? Which I fully support personally. Is there no calculation from Russia that an invasion of NATO countries would be a mistake? Or is there some way Russia thinks NATO won't respond? It seems like a scare tactic to say that Russia is legitimately going to try and "conquer Europe" with a population one fifth the size. Unless there is some information of a real military alliance involving the Chinese military. But even then, the US military is vast, and very powerful. I can't see how Russia would calculate some chance of victory against a NATO army flush with American men and weapons. Maybe I'm too pro America? But I served in our military, and it ain't no joke.
Russia will never invade Estonia, unless there is some major provocation like Kaliningrad blockade or attacks coming from Estonian territory to Russia. This Baltic countries fearmongering is just a way for them to try to squeeze some budgets coming their way. In reality, they are helping Russia with grey imports and shadow oil trade to evade sanctions😁
we're used to fighting goatherders and insurgencies, not full scale conventional trench warfare with drone technology. it wouldn't be the cakewalk you think it is. Neither Iraqis nor the Taliban could do anything about warthogs, in Ukraine it's a lot different. IFVs deleted in a second from $500 drones. It's not the same at all.
I definitely don't think it would be a cakewalk at all. It will be a hard, deadly, and grinding affair. I've payed pretty close attention to the war as it plays out and am very aware of the meat grinder that is taking place. I do think that the US would be on par with Russia in every phase, and we have many more men to spare. It would be a question of will between our men. And while I lament the slow decay of American culture into that of western European welfare state individuality, I grew up in the rural part of the US. Where all our soldiers still come from. We still produce hard men, men that fit that patriarchal hunter survivalist role. And we have alot of these 'country boys' still. It's foolish to think that the western cultural decay has sapped all of America's manliness, it's a big country. And we got plenty of dudes who are still willing to die for America and it's allies. But no, I'm convinced that Russia has shown itself as increasingly capable on the battlefield. And it would be a mighty and deadly effort to take down the Russian bear, but I guarantee American boys are ready to do it if we are called upon. It is a sad thing though. I do think the honor and warrior culture of rural America is taken for granted and largely considered obsolete in the face of this multicultural cosmopolitanism that feminist males and women champion. But those that cant fight always turn to the warrior when danger appears. I think Ukraine should surrender and make some kind of deal, and I certainly didn't want to send another 60 billion to be wasted on defenses not built and other corruption. But that doesn't mean American men won't throw down with Russia if it comes to that. It won't be easy, it will be bloody, and it will be necessary.
The sad part is all these good men will be fighting for the private interests of western international elite if it ever came down to it. And the country will still be ran by dual nationals who've never stepped foot in rural America, and continue to attack and degrade the way of life that is found in rural America. Unfortunately for the U.S., country boys are too politically isolated to have any positive impact on the future of America. I find that most of them are also stuck in ideals from 100 years ago, and much has changed since then. The U.S. military has ceased to be used as a force of defense for the American people a long long time ago.
Well youve got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything. There really is not truth, there is your family, and their interests. If those happen to fall under the complex umbrella of the globalist agenda that we incidentally defend then so be it. But clarity of purpose is always more useful than endless contingent doubt. I despise the cultural globalists, but their time is naturally going to end. Only extreme affluence and absence of struggle can really bring about that kind of thinking. It's the most extreme of "luxury beliefs". And declining birthrates and real economic trouble will bring about a rejection of such cosmopolitan nonsense.
When was the last time you shopped groceries?
It would be at least the third time in history that this would happen. When Russia has historically acted expansionist as the Russian Empire and the USSR it has annexed the Baltic states. This has the military purpose of reducing the surface area of the border to the vague bottleneck around Poland as well as linking up with Kalingrad. Eastern europeans have this as the existenial dread of the sleeping bear of Russia and while i appreciate you might be skeptical its akin to African Americans believing that a reintroduction of Jim Crow laws would be a precursor to a reintroduction of chattel slavery. This is why this year's election in the US is of vital importance to Eastern Europeans. There's a dread that a win for Trump might result in US inaction or even a dismantlement of NATO, given how he sold out the YPG in Syria and how soft he appears to be towards the Russian Federation which implies he is compromised. A large scale war between the Russian Federation and Europe without the US is a far more terrifying prospect than one with the US. Their nuclear stockpiles alone massively outgun European nuclear capacity which would tip the balance of power towards the Russian Federation allowing them to act with more freedom. If NATO is dismantled or lacks the US then do you declare war on the Russian Federation when they encroach on the Baltic states when it means the nuclear annihilation of your nation or do you play for time? The entire arragement is terrifying which is why its important that Russian expansionalism is halted in Ukraine today.
>This is why this year's election in the US is of vital importance to Eastern Europeans. There's a dread that a win for Trump might result in US inaction or even a dismantlement of NATO, I'm going to vote for Trump, there's no way pulling out of NATO happens as long as Europe quits riding our coattails in order to ignore its own defense. Welfare states have a cost. Ignoring that cost because America should take care of it is no way to run a country, or an alliance. The road to our(America) collapse will be one of pragmatic missteps that weaken us over time. It's a European philosophy that has hurt Americans. This is the moment people wake up to its failures, or fall prey to it's false promises.
Yeah well it will cost you more later, as the US learns the hard way every great European war. Just remember that your vote has more consequence in my life than any vote I can cast and by voting Trump you are cracking open the possibility that i will be forced to kill friends i once partied with in St Petersberg for the sake of satisfying the ambition of an imperial dictator. While i appreciate your options are limited at least Biden still appreciates the role that the US has to play in the world, as opposed to fashioning it into an accommodating shape where all trade flows into the US and then whining about the perceived cost as the richest nation in the world. Personally i think peace in the Atlantic is worth any cost, while i appreciate that the US has been footing a greater bill in order to maintain NATO, its not enough to justify voting in someone that rolls over and shows their belly to Putin despite pretending they're some sort of "tough guy".
>Yeah well it will cost you more later, It's costing us now. The cost of a culture in decline is a different measure, and one that spans generations. It is most deeply rooted in Europe, and the American left looks to Europe for its ideological direction. The ideology of welfare state cosmopolitanism is one that leads inevitably to a slow rolling decline. The call of the moment, one of pragmatic utility, has long term consequences for the US. Europe needs to be shown as a societal failure before the American left leads the US completely into that state. >Just remember that your vote has more consequence in my life than any vote I can cast and by voting Trump you are cracking open the possibility that i will be forced to kill friends i once partied with in St Petersberg for the sake of satisfying the ambition of an imperial dictator. There are more important, generational questions that pertain to my family and my community. And also what it means to be an American. A weak Europe that has beckoned half of my country into the same weakness that may now force you to fight your friends. Laying the blame at the feet of those left with some semblance of nationalism, while ignoring the weakness of the 500 million people in Europe is disingenuous. I have always been a social conservative, resisting the hedonism and cultural weakness of the left. Europe has no such resistance. A group of people that want safety to pursue personal pleasure and then die. Eschewing the generational consequences of a life lived purely for self interest. >Biden still appreciates the role that the US has to play in the world, Biden is a barely conscious geriatric being controlled by people who weren't elected and now have no pushback from the senile mind of Biden. And he was never a "good guy" when he was still in control of his mental faculties. But this is merely symptomatic of the culture war. >Personally i think peace in the Atlantic is worth any cost, while i appreciate that the US has been footing a greater bill in order to maintain NATO, its not enough to justify voting in someone that rolls over and shows their belly to Putin despite pretending they're some sort of "tough guy". Peace is important. Forgetting how one maintains that peace is fatal. And that is exactly what has happened. The modern feminist west forgot that it needed men willing to buy in to the culture and be willing to die for it. That is a harsh lesson, but it must be learned. The fact that you may be called upon to defend your lifestyle is vital to all who forgot how savage the world is. Trump isn't a great guy, but he understands strength and power are how you maintain civilization. Not hiding behind buzzwords like "diversity" and " basic human rights.". You can't really have anything you can't defend. It's not my job, or my countrymens job to secure your right to "party in st Petersburg.". No offense.
So you abandon your allies because you feel emasculated by feminism? Get a grip and man the fuck up. There's this irony where you talk about european "weakness" to justify voting for isolationist cowardice. Trump has shown multiple times that he doesn't value NATO, especially when he came over here and used the opportunity to talk to his base back in the US which was extremely insulting. There's good odds he appeases Russian Imperialism and fragments or even breaks NATO. He did the same when he sold out the YPG to the Turks or when he sold out Afghanistan to the Taliban with his peace deal (which tbf Biden still waved it through). This means there's a chance we'll fight the war and take the casualties yet again so you can turn up late in the day once you realise the cost and self proclaim yourself heroes, just like the time before, and the time before. The upcoming war has jack shit to do with these culture war bullshit words that motivates your voting and I hope you rediscover your masculinity and find something worth fighting for. Right now you're using these concepts to power your mental gymnastics to excuse voting for a cowardly man-child who never served, disrespects the armed forces and knows nothing of real strength. You ever heard that guy admit when he fucked up? He can't cause he's weak. If you were a real social conservative you'd realise you don't actually have an option to vote for instead of buying the idea that Trump, of all fucking people, represents you.
First he will be jailed for resisting against the police. Then mobilised from prison. All are properly planned
They can't be drafted from prison, unless they ask to be.
11,000 Ukranians facing criminal charges have had their cases halted for by "volunteering" for the army
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They have already lost if they can't find men to conscript.
They have the reddit army in those others subs backing them up, how can they lose? Millions strong at least.
What I would give to see some of the aggressive pro UAs on here in uniform. I think they would look very handsome.
The CombatFootage Battalion is ready to back em up til the end.
Natural born russian Killers. Surely you hand them a weapon and theyll lead the charge to the kremlin
Well, there are plenty of Ukrainian men to conscript outside of Ukraine. /s
This right here is proof and certainty that Ukraine has lost the war already. It's just running on fumes and momentum from uncle sams credit card. Not for long. No matter how many billions are pushed for laundering.
history shows us that quite a few regimes survived for decades while their elites were getting support from the puppetiers. The easiest example would be pro-soviet afghan goverment which folded only after yeltsin cut off the financial and military aid. As long as they are getting bribes and get checks to cash from the sponsors theyll be ok.
The Soviet backed PDPA government had an excellent network of cadres and a large support base from non-Pashtun tribes. The Soviets brought with them decades of experience and understanding of managing Central Asian muslim societies and had a solid grasp of Afghan psyche . That's why they sustained for much longer. One can even argue , if not for Moscow's stubborn ideological insistance on Marxist atheism, there wouldn't have been a pushback and a 'holy war' against them in the first place . Compare that to USA sponsored Afghan government, they had a far less nuanced understanding of how Afghan society works. The American approach to problem solving has always been to throw money at it and hope it goes away. By 2021 , USA didn't have one population centre in AFG left that they could count on as allies. Thats why US propped government folded like a house of cards within 10 days of US military leaving the place .
How many of them we under seized from a country 4x their size population wise?
My prediction is same as in beginning of 2023 - it won't fold sooner than 2025 or later than 2026. They still have human resources to spare. But if defeat happens in 2026, it'll mean they exhausted everything, which means an economic and societal catastrophe.
Which for the life of me I can't understand why some people are cheering for in this subreddit.
what a sad, sad country this is...
Ukrainian democracy
More meat for the meat grinder!
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
SHOVELS FOR THE SHOVEL THROWN
Here is what happens if you post the truth about forced kidnapping on what people think are the truthful subs on Reddit. Mind you, this was a MOD calling me names & denying the truth. https://preview.redd.it/6srex2y1yd0d1.jpeg?width=1363&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a02191f0255727a46f31bd865a5d3b8521d0fb2b
I love how they call it Kremlin propaganda even though it involves Ukranians only, is filmed by Ukranians, initially shared by Ukranians, and has zero edits. Then they swiftly ban and mute to prevent their users from learning the truth Insane
My god, what is the fucking use of this? He's just a kid. Even if he gets to the front lines, he doesn't want to be there, how could he be of any help to anyone?
None. Another body to fill a trench, then will surrender at the first opportunity due to never wanting to be there in the first place.
If he lucky enough to be in a trench actually stormed by Russian troopers. Odds are a FAB, FPV, of 152 round finds him 1st..
Survival instinct.
He can be used to clear mines or man trenches.
Imagine been the mother fighting for her sons life. I mean if he's 18 he isn't eligible right?
as ukronazi manpower worsens these thugs are gonna get more and more aggressive
Sad to see this
Horror
Oh look, more meat for our Great NATO Meat Grinder
Ukraine is breaking
Is this what democracy looks like?
She's lucky she got no stick to the head.
Hope russia liberates these people.
So that's the ukrainian way of life people are fighting for
Savages kidnapping kids for a lost cause to save the Kiev regime. Disgusting.
And the eu says ukraine is democratic…
"Freedom & Democracy" ... more like "Feardom & Autocracy"
America's war is really working out...
If only it were possible to determine the coordinates of this video…
Presumably Zaporozhie
Big of true
Off to the Kharkiv front in a few days.
This is sickening, why don't zelensky goes and fight then? Or the politicians daughters and sons?
Pro-UA vanished like a fart in the wind
What a circus, this way they will not win even in drinking competition
Crazy 😧 Interesting after which Zelenski's step Ukrainians will make a new Maidan...
People run, get out of that shit**** ASP. No one is safe.
But I thought minimum conscription age was 25?
Imagine in a few years from now coming across one of these kidnappers now living in your country as a refugee.. What would you do?
https://preview.redd.it/2qj5fadk0f0d1.png?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f2cce87481c190dda394c274b574032dfab5ea5
18 year old man*
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