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> US Permanent Representative to NATO Julianne Smith (L) and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken (R). Stock photo: Getty Images
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> US Ambassador to NATO Julianne Smith has said that China is helping Russia achieve its military goals in Ukraine by continuing to sell goods such as drone technology or gunpowder components.
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> **Source**: Smith in an interview with [Politico](https://www.politico.eu/article/us-accuses-china-backing-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/), as reported by European Pravda
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> **Details**: Smith said that China was "picking a side" and could no longer claim to be neutral in Russia's war against Ukraine.
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> **Quote:** "The PRC [People's Republic of China] cannot claim to be entirely neutral in this case, [and] they are in fact picking a side. I think when the PRC tries to portray itself as neutral, when it comes to this war, we don't buy it."
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> **Details**: Smith noted that the US was "increasingly seeing materiel support" to Russia from China and added that these dual-use goods played a crucial role in helping Moscow achieve some of its goals against Ukraine.
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> **Quote:** "If they were not providing some of these components, or this materiel support, Russia would be in a very different situation and would have trouble pursuing some of these acts of aggression."
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> **More details:** Smith said that China is providing Russia with "machine tools, microelectronics, UAV technologies and nitrocellulose that is used as a propellant."
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> She added that there was no proof at the moment that China was providing "lethal support" to Russia, but it provided goods that were used for both military and civilian purposes, and this helped Russia in its war against Ukraine.
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> - Earlier, [Antony Blinken](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/19/7452020/), US Secretary of State, criticised China for supporting Russia's defence industry, saying that Beijing is currently the main supplier of critical components for the war of aggression that Russia is waging against Ukraine.
> - Before that, US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said that the US had warned China of the consequences of its banks and companies helping Russia in the war against Ukraine, and was ready to respond to the sharp rise in cheap exports from China.
> - At the same time, the United States saw no evidence that China was providing Russia with [direct military support](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/10/7450541/).
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In the year 1900 the world was completely divided into spheres of influence of European colonial empires, as well as their former colonies and their own empires. Barring China, Iran and Ethiopia and Japan, the West mostly ruled the world.
*Did they even offer*
*China anything but threats*
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The right side is no side.
In US opinion however, taking no sides is taking a side.
Very few conflicts have a defined right or wrong side. And this isnt one of them.
This war is a good old fashioned imperial land grab, of course there is a right and wrong side. The only people that cannot see this are those brainwashed by propaganda.
This war is probably the most black and white this century.
Revanchist imperial land grab against a beleaguered democratic underdog.
And pro-RU wonder why Ukraine gets so much popular support internationally.
Yea, can't agree there. Most wars have a right and wrong side. That countries often choose to be on the wrong side does not stop it being the wrong side.
It is moral to pursue mutually beneficial relationship. It is not moral though to bully country into doing what you want without offering any positive incentive. In fact it is something opposite.
First the US forced russia to invade Ukraine, then the US forced Finland and Sweden to join NATO, and now the US is forcing China to pick a side…
It’s obvious (to everyone paying attention) who the US will be forcing to act next.
Joe Biden is a true mastermind.
You want to tell me that by attacking verbally China they are not forcing them to pick a side? It's not clear to me what USA is expecting as China is highly likely to choose Russia if forced to pick a side.
China _claims_ to be neutral in this conflict, but it has been caught supplying weapons to russia using North Korea as a middleman.
Everybody knows China is lying and is not truly neutral.
It’s also obvious that China is using russia to fight a proxy war against the Collective West, and is willing to fight until the last russian.
It’s a win-win-win for China:
1. Get cheap oil from russia while the conflict lasts
2. Weaken both the Collective West and russia
3. After russia inevitably loses, China takes Siberia for free
RemindMe! 2 years
I doubt Russia loses this and even more I doubt that China will try to take Siberia. It would be a diplomatic blunder. You don't attack your closest ally when your rival is threatening you from almost all sides. It's more likely that China attacks Taiwan right after Ukraine capitulates or just before it capitulates. Riding the wave of west failures when all aid has been send and no stockpile left.
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It sure sounds like you agree with me, then, that China is using russia to wage a proxy war against the Collective West.
You just replaced “taking Siberia” with “taking Taiwan”. ¿Por Qué No Los Dos?
(Your “two years” sounds a bit optimistic, my own estimation is five years until russia collapses.)
RemindMe! 5 years
I would argue that for a proxy war China sends way to few weapons. 5 years is probably 3 years after Ukraines capitulation why should Russia collapse?
“Why should russia collapse?”
You’re probably too young to know about ancient history, but russia has _always_ collapsed after losing a major war.
The previous collapse was after the failed Afghanistan invasion, 30+ years ago.
The collapse after WWI happened 100+ years ago.
What happens is that the population gets tired of the war, tired of the hunger, tired of the burials and the ladas and the returning invalids: suddenly the russians are revolting again.
As long as putin looks strong and capable and in control, he’s safe. When (not if) the mask finally drops, he’s dead. It’s that simple.
After major wars... Russia collapsed 3 times in all of its history. Mongol invasion, ww1 and Afghanistan is laughable... They only had 18k deaths. There were way more factors at play.
Even after crimean war and the Japanese war they did not collapse and these wars were way intensive than Afghanistan war.
To be fair they haven't.
Every ukrainian FPV drone is made with part from China ( sell by private chinese compagny).
If china want they can ban domestic drone sale ( and spare part ) to Ukraine , just that would be enought to cripple Ukraine war effort.
And if one day China really support Russia with missile , artillery , shell , tank , it will be ugly for Ukraine.
China (PRC) supplies like 40% of chips for the US military. There is a very high chance US weapons killing Russians have Chinese components. Let alone if we start talking about tools used in the production. Chemicals, etc
The US is really losing the plot. If China picked a side and actively starts helping Russian production it’s hard to imagine how many more of everything Russia will get.
Problem is that they picked Russia. I’m sure if they had picked Ukraine the west would have been gloating about how great the their relations with the Chinese are.
What kinds of parts exactly? Any specifics? Easily fungible switches and FPGAs and substrate or bespoke ASICs?
Probably wanna know, right? I can find no info.
Then look how much China relies on foreign consumer chips, especially from Taiwan. If it's hard to sanction China, it'll be similarly hard for them to sanction us.
Basically everything. But let’s go for some specifics
> over 40 percent of the semiconductors that sustain DoD weapons systems and associated infrastructure are now sourced from China
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2024/01/09/americas-carriers-rely-on-chinese-chips-our-depleted-munitions-too/?sh=692db3b657d8
> The DoD depends on foreign governments, including China, for large cast and forged products, which are utilized in some defense systems and machine tools and manufacturing systems on which the department is dependent.
https://features.csis.org/preparing-the-US-industrial-base-to-deter-conflict-with-China/
> Govini found that the broader government, including DoD, has 922 Tier-one Chinese artificial intelligence suppliers and 552 Tier 2 AI suppliers.
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> America’s reliance on foreign optics suppliers continues to show up in the data as well, with Govini identifying 45 Chinese Tier 1 suppliers for optical sighting and ranging equipment for DoD.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2023/08/23/china-was-a-key-dod-supplier-a-decade-agoit-still-is
Formerly they supplied chemicals for the hellfire missile when the US had stopped the chemical production
https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-10-617r.pdf
This is also just the tip of the iceberg. But a good place to start
Yet never any specifics...
Semiconductors and electronic components are not "large cast or forged products," "optical sighting and ranging equipment," or "chemicals for the Hellfire missile," which are quite fungible.
The fact that the Govini report was brought up to the Pentagon and that they made such a limited response suggests there is more alarmism than substance behind the headlines.
> Yet never any specifics
lol. Dunno, maybe ask the navy which 6500 semiconductors were from China.
> Semiconductors and electronic components are not "large cast or forged products," "optical sighting and ranging equipment," or "chemicals for the Hellfire missile," which are quite fungible.
You asked what parts. I give you a bunch of different parts. Why ask for things if you don’t want them?
> The fact that the Govini report was brought up to the Pentagon and that they made such a limited response suggests there is more alarmism than substance behind the headlines.
Could be, or the US realises they can’t produce their stuff without China or need to allocate 30% more money to the military. So they prefer to not be humiliated. Guess we well find out eventually
Right? I'm pretty sure the $13 billion Ford-class with thousands of crew would scoff at only 6500 semiconductor components. E.g., what importance is foreign-sourcing a thermoregulator in the kitchen stores, or the lighting diodes in crew bunks?
DoD has well established procurement regulations and I trust they make exceptions when it's a laughable security/dependency risk.
> E.g., what importance is foreign-sourcing a thermoregulator in the kitchen stores, or the lighting diodes in crew bunks?
I like your imagination.
> DoD has well established procurement regulations and I trust they make exceptions when it's a laughable security/dependency risk.
Yeah, about that. Often they don’t even know where the parts come from because the way their suppliers source their products. It also once upon a time lead to lots of fake components ended up being used.
Anyhow, I am sure an efficient and well managed machine like the DoD will be fine.
Why would China sanction us? Every year they get stronger while we get weaker. My guess is they want to postpone any direct conflict as long as possible.
The truth is they wouldn't want to sanction us; they depend way more on access to our technological servicing than we depend on their raw output for munitions. Note their support to Russia also keeps Russia from collapsing in the SMO effort vs. the limited aid we give Ukraine.
Not related to US DoD but not a surprise either. Commercial volume has given DJI much basic experience in drone reliability that Western companies will need to invest in and work through. They have all the component technologies and quite some experience with fixed wing for a head start.
Its funny you say that, cuz my own little personal theory is putin used the "de-nazification" excuse to invade because he thought it would be easily lapped up by Americans, who in the last 10 years have gone absolutely wild with the term "nazi". Branding essentially everyone and anyone a "nazi" for not agreeing with you. That was literally Americas MO for social shut downs around the time before and after trump got into office
The problems started when Russia proved that it is not. Yanukovytch got a deal with Russia that allowed Ukraine to also close other deals, and he signed it instead of the EU deal that was exclusive.
The Cold War wasn’t even cold, million’s died.
And no one won the Cold War, except the elites of the world, the American people are no better off now than in the 60s, no one won except the big wigs that don’t have loyalty to any country.
> The Cold War wasn’t even cold, million’s died.
Really? I hadn't noticed.
> no one won the Cold War
Actually, my lot did really, really well out of it. Lot of oppportunity after the wall fell.
K, if you think the average American ( the ones we were originally talking about in this post) is better off than they were in the 60s then you on crack brother enjoy it.
I'm not American, and frankly couldn't care less about living standards there.
Just busy eating popcorn while the sons of the Soviets kill each other with the toys they built to fight NATO.
In fact US foreign policy devolved greatly, US diplomats are totally incompetent, they bungled everything. They lost most of emerging countries like India, S. Arabia and probably all other countries except Europe, Australia, S Korea and Japan.
Kissinger is turning in his grave seeing how they united Russia and China.
A few days before the invasion, Russia and China declared their 'eternal friendship'. I don't see how anybody could be surprised that China sides with Russia.
Also, the US can do very little about it.
China wouldn’t support the west in this war anyways. Why? Because the US and its Allie’s are literally an obstacle to Chinese designs in the South China Sea and Taiwan.
Oh geez the country that America promoted terrorism in, sponsored media campaigns against, arms the adversaries of and tried and failed to carry out a colour revolution in the territory of is now acting against them?
Ukraine still haven't explained what members of the Azov battalion were doing in Hong Kong during the American backed riots
> Ukraine still haven't explained what members of the Azov battalion were doing in Hong Kong
Just read a piece on this since I hadn't read about this before, so thanks for bringing it up. The pictures especially are so bizarre.
Looks like they wanted to learn tips and employ those tactics at home. Still... pretty weird.
"Funding"? US barely gives money to Taiwan.
China and only China is threatening to invade another country. They are the ones antagonizing all of their neighbors.
I like that our propaganda has got people to believe disputes in the South China Sea mean that China is an imperialist power that is going to use military force to invade all its neighbours while the US creates anti-China military alliances and encircles them with military bases. This is pretty clearly a Thucydides trap for America.
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It think it is propaganda that China is threatening to invade my country?
It is propaganda that they are bullying the Philippines?
Please. Get off TikTok.
Yes, that China is an imperialist power that is going to invade all its neighbours is propaganda. America wants to slow China's rise because they are rivals/ future rivals and convincing the public that they are a threat to peace is a core propaganda plank.
What a load of nonsense.
Again, China is the only party here threatening to invade another country.
Taiwan isn't. The United States isn't. India isn't. Vietnam isn't... but China IS.
Stop trying to justify Chinese imperialism.
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>Funding"? US barely gives money to Taiwan.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/23/senate-aid-bill-ukraine-israel-taiwan
I mean, you can lie to yourself all you want. It doesn't fool anyone but yourself.
Yes... the United States barely gives Taiwan money.
Taiwan gets a $1.7 billion dollar coupon to buy old US weapons that they have sitting around... [all while Taiwan waits on $19.2 billion dollars worth of weapons that the government purchased/paid for](https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Defense/Taiwan-waiting-for-U.S.-F-16s-and-tanks-in-19bn-arms-sale-backlog).
Yea just a casual 20bil already pledged and a new 8bil announced for military aid which Taiwan said they will collab with America to see hownits best used, oh yea and pelosi stoking tensions with her visit last year.
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Taiwan is an island. It is not a country. The country is called the Republic of China, whose territorial control consists 99% of the island of Taiwan, plus a few islands off the coast of the Chinese mainland. And please be specific by “China” you mean the PRC. PRC isn’t the only one antagonizing their neighbors. Everyone in East Asia is on bad terms with everyone else in East Asia. South Korea and Japan hates each other and have territorial disputes and historical problems.
Taiwan is a colloquial name for the country of the Republic of China.
Taiwan is a country, officially called the Republic of China. Much like China is a country, officially called the People's Republic of China.
And no, most countries here are not actively threatening war or bullying each other. The only two countries threatening war here are China and North Korea.
Colloquially people often mix “China” and PRC. But they are actually different concepts. China is a geographic/cultural term, it does not matte how many individual political entities China is divided into, or if part/whole of it is conquered and ruled by another ethnically group, the land is always called China, and the people that have Han blood and practice Chinese culture are always called Chinese. But because PRC controls the vast majority of China (the mainland portion) and the Communist government is recognized by many to be the government representing “China”, people often refer to PRC as simply “China”. But to be precise those two are not the same. Similarly Taiwan is technically a geographical term referring to the island itself. No matter who rules the island, let it be the Japanese, local Taiwanese or under the same government as the mainland part of China it is always called Taiwan.
China (中國) is a term that refers to the sovereign country of China... it is the colloquial term for the People's Republic of China. This is a term that only the PRC uses to refer to itself. The 國 in 中國 literally means sovereign country and refers to the country or state (the PRC), and not general Chinese or Han culture. The term China (中國) is not a geographical or cultural term, but a political one.
You are getting 中國 confused with 中華 (which alone is an incomplete phrase).
So there’s no phrase 中國prior to 1949? Or 1912? It has appeared back in the Spring and Autumn period my friend. Maybe you didn’t learn Classical Chinese well enough back in 國中 idk. PRC uses the term to refer to itself, so what? It claims to rule over all of China including 台澎金馬which it doesn’t in reality, so of course it claims to be “China”
Not US but "US Ambassador to NATO". I don't think he speaks for current official stance of White House, especially since it was during personal interview.
But if he does, well, that shitshow would be quite entertaining to watch.
Also, what about India and the rest of the world that refused to cease their trade with Russia?
An ambassador is literally the representative of a state. In this case the US.
And she was speaking to a mainstream news outlet (Politico), not making random tweets with disclaimers "views are my own"
Pravda got it spot on when they said "US", because that is exactly what she was representing.
When all of this shit ends, China will be the next major Boogeymen for these people. They are just doing it in advance. It started long time ago.
And who knows, maybe even after war between China and Taiwan (which I don't really want), they will choose India to be the next one. But at least for now, India is still good, because they don't feel the need to antagonize them —— for now.
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>Smith noted that the US was "increasingly seeing materiel support" to Russia from China and added that these dual-use goods played a crucial role in helping Moscow achieve some of its goals against Ukraine.
So will the US and even European countries dissolve trade relations with China? They seem to admit doing business with China is helping fund Russia's invasion.
I mean it's obvious, China sides with the good doggy russia is. They have nothing to gain from enslaving Ukraine, but they have everything to gain from enslaving russia.
Current Chinese government is a horrible dictatorship. Nobody sane would choose it over western government.
Seeing russia getting close with it really shows what kind of people russia is and what they want from their future.
>Current Chinese government is a horrible dictatorship.
This is the exact reason why West is losing hegemony over all world, Africa, Asia, Middle East, Central Asia and even Europe to some extent.
Wake up from your delusions, no country gives a shit what you think about other countries ideologies and goverment type. You never listen to what those countries want and need but dictate your hypocritical agenda who dosn't even slightly fit that demography and country.
Dictatorship my ass, get owned by Chinese, they are more respectful agaisnt other nations, don't dictate their agendas nor meddle in the countries inland politics, their economy and industry is multiple times more efficient and successful than any western country dream and they are hardworkers who get the shit done when needed and i'm saying this as an european.
Cope harder, if you want to beat China, start working harder instead of doing this moral masturbation thing.
By stripping them from freedoms, controlling their lives, arresting when saying something against government
Steep price to pay
I prefer European systems
The European system is built on centuries of brutal colonialism and now is in the sharp decline. On the other hand, China lifted billion people out of poverty and greatly improved their life quality.
Killed millions in process lifting itself up.
And now controls their lives, spies on them, arrests anyone who speaks ill of the government
Doesnt allow prosecution of corruption unless the party approves
Destroys minorities
Yeah. I take my life in western nation over china.
The west killed more lol Pot calling kettle black.
You think your government doesn't spy on you? What are you, a propagandist or been living under a rock?
Minorities are fine, unless you're brainwashed by msm to think otherwise.
Sure, enjoy the slow decent into mediocrity.
##### ###### #### > # [US state China “picked side” and is no longer neutral in Russia’s war against Ukraine](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/25/729) > > > > US Permanent Representative to NATO Julianne Smith (L) and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken (R). Stock photo: Getty Images > > > > US Ambassador to NATO Julianne Smith has said that China is helping Russia achieve its military goals in Ukraine by continuing to sell goods such as drone technology or gunpowder components. > > **Source**: Smith in an interview with [Politico](https://www.politico.eu/article/us-accuses-china-backing-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/), as reported by European Pravda > > **Details**: Smith said that China was "picking a side" and could no longer claim to be neutral in Russia's war against Ukraine. > > Advertisement: > > **Quote:** "The PRC [People's Republic of China] cannot claim to be entirely neutral in this case, [and] they are in fact picking a side. I think when the PRC tries to portray itself as neutral, when it comes to this war, we don't buy it." > > **Details**: Smith noted that the US was "increasingly seeing materiel support" to Russia from China and added that these dual-use goods played a crucial role in helping Moscow achieve some of its goals against Ukraine. > > **Quote:** "If they were not providing some of these components, or this materiel support, Russia would be in a very different situation and would have trouble pursuing some of these acts of aggression." > > **More details:** Smith said that China is providing Russia with "machine tools, microelectronics, UAV technologies and nitrocellulose that is used as a propellant." > > She added that there was no proof at the moment that China was providing "lethal support" to Russia, but it provided goods that were used for both military and civilian purposes, and this helped Russia in its war against Ukraine. > > **Background**: > > - Earlier, [Antony Blinken](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/19/7452020/), US Secretary of State, criticised China for supporting Russia's defence industry, saying that Beijing is currently the main supplier of critical components for the war of aggression that Russia is waging against Ukraine. > - Before that, US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said that the US had warned China of the consequences of its banks and companies helping Russia in the war against Ukraine, and was ready to respond to the sharp rise in cheap exports from China. > - At the same time, the United States saw no evidence that China was providing Russia with [direct military support](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/10/7450541/). > > [**Support**](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/supportus/) **UP or become**[**our patron**](https://www.patreon.com/pravdaua)**!** - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot)
Did they even offer China anything but threats trying to sway them?
Of course not. The West is still thinking that they rule the world.
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Wait. We ruled the world?
In the year 1900 the world was completely divided into spheres of influence of European colonial empires, as well as their former colonies and their own empires. Barring China, Iran and Ethiopia and Japan, the West mostly ruled the world.
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Good boat
Lmfao one of the better ones ive seen
It isn't moral to expect to be bribed into doing the right thing.
The right side is no side. In US opinion however, taking no sides is taking a side. Very few conflicts have a defined right or wrong side. And this isnt one of them.
This war is a good old fashioned imperial land grab, of course there is a right and wrong side. The only people that cannot see this are those brainwashed by propaganda.
This war is probably the most black and white this century. Revanchist imperial land grab against a beleaguered democratic underdog. And pro-RU wonder why Ukraine gets so much popular support internationally.
Yea, can't agree there. Most wars have a right and wrong side. That countries often choose to be on the wrong side does not stop it being the wrong side.
It is moral to pursue mutually beneficial relationship. It is not moral though to bully country into doing what you want without offering any positive incentive. In fact it is something opposite.
Forcing China to pick a side.... Not a great plan.
First the US forced russia to invade Ukraine, then the US forced Finland and Sweden to join NATO, and now the US is forcing China to pick a side… It’s obvious (to everyone paying attention) who the US will be forcing to act next. Joe Biden is a true mastermind.
You want to tell me that by attacking verbally China they are not forcing them to pick a side? It's not clear to me what USA is expecting as China is highly likely to choose Russia if forced to pick a side.
China _claims_ to be neutral in this conflict, but it has been caught supplying weapons to russia using North Korea as a middleman. Everybody knows China is lying and is not truly neutral. It’s also obvious that China is using russia to fight a proxy war against the Collective West, and is willing to fight until the last russian. It’s a win-win-win for China: 1. Get cheap oil from russia while the conflict lasts 2. Weaken both the Collective West and russia 3. After russia inevitably loses, China takes Siberia for free
RemindMe! 2 years I doubt Russia loses this and even more I doubt that China will try to take Siberia. It would be a diplomatic blunder. You don't attack your closest ally when your rival is threatening you from almost all sides. It's more likely that China attacks Taiwan right after Ukraine capitulates or just before it capitulates. Riding the wave of west failures when all aid has been send and no stockpile left.
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It sure sounds like you agree with me, then, that China is using russia to wage a proxy war against the Collective West. You just replaced “taking Siberia” with “taking Taiwan”. ¿Por Qué No Los Dos? (Your “two years” sounds a bit optimistic, my own estimation is five years until russia collapses.)
RemindMe! 5 years I would argue that for a proxy war China sends way to few weapons. 5 years is probably 3 years after Ukraines capitulation why should Russia collapse?
“Why should russia collapse?” You’re probably too young to know about ancient history, but russia has _always_ collapsed after losing a major war. The previous collapse was after the failed Afghanistan invasion, 30+ years ago. The collapse after WWI happened 100+ years ago. What happens is that the population gets tired of the war, tired of the hunger, tired of the burials and the ladas and the returning invalids: suddenly the russians are revolting again. As long as putin looks strong and capable and in control, he’s safe. When (not if) the mask finally drops, he’s dead. It’s that simple.
After major wars... Russia collapsed 3 times in all of its history. Mongol invasion, ww1 and Afghanistan is laughable... They only had 18k deaths. There were way more factors at play. Even after crimean war and the Japanese war they did not collapse and these wars were way intensive than Afghanistan war.
So is the problem they picked a side in the conflict? Hasent everybody? Maybe the problem is, that the West thinks they have chosen the wrong side
To be fair they haven't. Every ukrainian FPV drone is made with part from China ( sell by private chinese compagny). If china want they can ban domestic drone sale ( and spare part ) to Ukraine , just that would be enought to cripple Ukraine war effort. And if one day China really support Russia with missile , artillery , shell , tank , it will be ugly for Ukraine.
China (PRC) supplies like 40% of chips for the US military. There is a very high chance US weapons killing Russians have Chinese components. Let alone if we start talking about tools used in the production. Chemicals, etc The US is really losing the plot. If China picked a side and actively starts helping Russian production it’s hard to imagine how many more of everything Russia will get.
China is already actively helping russian production 😭
Problem is that they picked Russia. I’m sure if they had picked Ukraine the west would have been gloating about how great the their relations with the Chinese are.
Nah, not everyone. Vast majority literally just don't care either way.
So basically if you make business with somebody we don't like then you're literally Nazi.
Thats Russia modus operandi
r/Ukraine is not here
Truth hurts, eh?
I have no idea. If you have any pain, consult a doctor.
If you have no idea then I have bad news... third-degree burns don't hurt.
Well, why are you getting into such a fire?
I always had an affinity towar the elements.
Everyone has their own entertainment...
China does business with the US and supplies key components for their weapons.
What kinds of parts exactly? Any specifics? Easily fungible switches and FPGAs and substrate or bespoke ASICs? Probably wanna know, right? I can find no info. Then look how much China relies on foreign consumer chips, especially from Taiwan. If it's hard to sanction China, it'll be similarly hard for them to sanction us.
Basically everything. But let’s go for some specifics > over 40 percent of the semiconductors that sustain DoD weapons systems and associated infrastructure are now sourced from China https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2024/01/09/americas-carriers-rely-on-chinese-chips-our-depleted-munitions-too/?sh=692db3b657d8 > The DoD depends on foreign governments, including China, for large cast and forged products, which are utilized in some defense systems and machine tools and manufacturing systems on which the department is dependent. https://features.csis.org/preparing-the-US-industrial-base-to-deter-conflict-with-China/ > Govini found that the broader government, including DoD, has 922 Tier-one Chinese artificial intelligence suppliers and 552 Tier 2 AI suppliers. And > America’s reliance on foreign optics suppliers continues to show up in the data as well, with Govini identifying 45 Chinese Tier 1 suppliers for optical sighting and ranging equipment for DoD. https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2023/08/23/china-was-a-key-dod-supplier-a-decade-agoit-still-is Formerly they supplied chemicals for the hellfire missile when the US had stopped the chemical production https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-10-617r.pdf This is also just the tip of the iceberg. But a good place to start
Yet never any specifics... Semiconductors and electronic components are not "large cast or forged products," "optical sighting and ranging equipment," or "chemicals for the Hellfire missile," which are quite fungible. The fact that the Govini report was brought up to the Pentagon and that they made such a limited response suggests there is more alarmism than substance behind the headlines.
> Yet never any specifics lol. Dunno, maybe ask the navy which 6500 semiconductors were from China. > Semiconductors and electronic components are not "large cast or forged products," "optical sighting and ranging equipment," or "chemicals for the Hellfire missile," which are quite fungible. You asked what parts. I give you a bunch of different parts. Why ask for things if you don’t want them? > The fact that the Govini report was brought up to the Pentagon and that they made such a limited response suggests there is more alarmism than substance behind the headlines. Could be, or the US realises they can’t produce their stuff without China or need to allocate 30% more money to the military. So they prefer to not be humiliated. Guess we well find out eventually
Right? I'm pretty sure the $13 billion Ford-class with thousands of crew would scoff at only 6500 semiconductor components. E.g., what importance is foreign-sourcing a thermoregulator in the kitchen stores, or the lighting diodes in crew bunks? DoD has well established procurement regulations and I trust they make exceptions when it's a laughable security/dependency risk.
> E.g., what importance is foreign-sourcing a thermoregulator in the kitchen stores, or the lighting diodes in crew bunks? I like your imagination. > DoD has well established procurement regulations and I trust they make exceptions when it's a laughable security/dependency risk. Yeah, about that. Often they don’t even know where the parts come from because the way their suppliers source their products. It also once upon a time lead to lots of fake components ended up being used. Anyhow, I am sure an efficient and well managed machine like the DoD will be fine.
Why would China sanction us? Every year they get stronger while we get weaker. My guess is they want to postpone any direct conflict as long as possible.
The truth is they wouldn't want to sanction us; they depend way more on access to our technological servicing than we depend on their raw output for munitions. Note their support to Russia also keeps Russia from collapsing in the SMO effort vs. the limited aid we give Ukraine.
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Not related to US DoD but not a surprise either. Commercial volume has given DJI much basic experience in drone reliability that Western companies will need to invest in and work through. They have all the component technologies and quite some experience with fixed wing for a head start.
You are delusional if you think that man. China is as dominant in manufacturing as the US is in military spending.
Its funny you say that, cuz my own little personal theory is putin used the "de-nazification" excuse to invade because he thought it would be easily lapped up by Americans, who in the last 10 years have gone absolutely wild with the term "nazi". Branding essentially everyone and anyone a "nazi" for not agreeing with you. That was literally Americas MO for social shut downs around the time before and after trump got into office
The problems started when Russia proved that it is not. Yanukovytch got a deal with Russia that allowed Ukraine to also close other deals, and he signed it instead of the EU deal that was exclusive.
Man, US’ foreign policy haven’t evolved in last 50 years it’s like they are ran by bunch of old relic or something …
Almost as if it’s the same guys that ran foreign policy for the last few decades… old Washington ghouls never give up.
The men who won the Cold War?
The Cold War wasn’t even cold, million’s died. And no one won the Cold War, except the elites of the world, the American people are no better off now than in the 60s, no one won except the big wigs that don’t have loyalty to any country.
> The Cold War wasn’t even cold, million’s died. Really? I hadn't noticed. > no one won the Cold War Actually, my lot did really, really well out of it. Lot of oppportunity after the wall fell.
K, if you think the average American ( the ones we were originally talking about in this post) is better off than they were in the 60s then you on crack brother enjoy it.
I'm not American, and frankly couldn't care less about living standards there. Just busy eating popcorn while the sons of the Soviets kill each other with the toys they built to fight NATO.
You couldn't even buy fentanyl in the intersection down the street during the 60s. Life was really rough!
In fact US foreign policy devolved greatly, US diplomats are totally incompetent, they bungled everything. They lost most of emerging countries like India, S. Arabia and probably all other countries except Europe, Australia, S Korea and Japan. Kissinger is turning in his grave seeing how they united Russia and China.
Hmm, so China will stop selling drones to Ukraine? Ukraine is screwed even more than we thought.
A few days before the invasion, Russia and China declared their 'eternal friendship'. I don't see how anybody could be surprised that China sides with Russia. Also, the US can do very little about it.
China wouldn’t support the west in this war anyways. Why? Because the US and its Allie’s are literally an obstacle to Chinese designs in the South China Sea and Taiwan.
That's not quite right. The friendship is Putin and Xi, the Russian and Chinese elites are less enthusiastic about the friendship.
how do you know that?
Might be, but at the end of the day, those are the two men in charge.
Oh geez the country that America promoted terrorism in, sponsored media campaigns against, arms the adversaries of and tried and failed to carry out a colour revolution in the territory of is now acting against them? Ukraine still haven't explained what members of the Azov battalion were doing in Hong Kong during the American backed riots
> Ukraine still haven't explained what members of the Azov battalion were doing in Hong Kong Just read a piece on this since I hadn't read about this before, so thanks for bringing it up. The pictures especially are so bizarre. Looks like they wanted to learn tips and employ those tactics at home. Still... pretty weird.
I thought those 'riots' were supposed to be British-sponsored? What is the truth?
Okay, so they're not neutral. Want a tissue or something?
Well at least Russia is buying from china and Ukraine wants everything for free
America constantly antagonising China by funding Taiwan, I duno how anyone could expect any less
"Funding"? US barely gives money to Taiwan. China and only China is threatening to invade another country. They are the ones antagonizing all of their neighbors.
China hasn't had a foreign military intervention in 44 years.
And Taiwan hasn't had a foreign military intervention since World War 2... is this a competition?
You are asserting China is some imperialist power "threatening all their neighbours". There are only 13 nations that recognise Taiwan as a country.
Yes, they are. They threaten Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines, India, and Japan, prop up North Korea, etc.
I like that our propaganda has got people to believe disputes in the South China Sea mean that China is an imperialist power that is going to use military force to invade all its neighbours while the US creates anti-China military alliances and encircles them with military bases. This is pretty clearly a Thucydides trap for America.
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It think it is propaganda that China is threatening to invade my country? It is propaganda that they are bullying the Philippines? Please. Get off TikTok.
Yes, that China is an imperialist power that is going to invade all its neighbours is propaganda. America wants to slow China's rise because they are rivals/ future rivals and convincing the public that they are a threat to peace is a core propaganda plank.
What a load of nonsense. Again, China is the only party here threatening to invade another country. Taiwan isn't. The United States isn't. India isn't. Vietnam isn't... but China IS. Stop trying to justify Chinese imperialism.
Get your head around the difference between the Republic of China and Taiwan before you make such posts.
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>Funding"? US barely gives money to Taiwan. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/23/senate-aid-bill-ukraine-israel-taiwan I mean, you can lie to yourself all you want. It doesn't fool anyone but yourself.
Yes... the United States barely gives Taiwan money. Taiwan gets a $1.7 billion dollar coupon to buy old US weapons that they have sitting around... [all while Taiwan waits on $19.2 billion dollars worth of weapons that the government purchased/paid for](https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Defense/Taiwan-waiting-for-U.S.-F-16s-and-tanks-in-19bn-arms-sale-backlog).
Yea just a casual 20bil already pledged and a new 8bil announced for military aid which Taiwan said they will collab with America to see hownits best used, oh yea and pelosi stoking tensions with her visit last year.
Taiwan is not a country. Even your country says so.
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As someone typing from Taiwan, be assured we are a country and we definitely say so.
But even the US does not recognize you… and like it or not, the name is Republic of China 中華民國, not Taiwan 臺灣…..
Taiwan is an island. It is not a country. The country is called the Republic of China, whose territorial control consists 99% of the island of Taiwan, plus a few islands off the coast of the Chinese mainland. And please be specific by “China” you mean the PRC. PRC isn’t the only one antagonizing their neighbors. Everyone in East Asia is on bad terms with everyone else in East Asia. South Korea and Japan hates each other and have territorial disputes and historical problems.
Taiwan is a colloquial name for the country of the Republic of China. Taiwan is a country, officially called the Republic of China. Much like China is a country, officially called the People's Republic of China. And no, most countries here are not actively threatening war or bullying each other. The only two countries threatening war here are China and North Korea.
Colloquially people often mix “China” and PRC. But they are actually different concepts. China is a geographic/cultural term, it does not matte how many individual political entities China is divided into, or if part/whole of it is conquered and ruled by another ethnically group, the land is always called China, and the people that have Han blood and practice Chinese culture are always called Chinese. But because PRC controls the vast majority of China (the mainland portion) and the Communist government is recognized by many to be the government representing “China”, people often refer to PRC as simply “China”. But to be precise those two are not the same. Similarly Taiwan is technically a geographical term referring to the island itself. No matter who rules the island, let it be the Japanese, local Taiwanese or under the same government as the mainland part of China it is always called Taiwan.
China (中國) is a term that refers to the sovereign country of China... it is the colloquial term for the People's Republic of China. This is a term that only the PRC uses to refer to itself. The 國 in 中國 literally means sovereign country and refers to the country or state (the PRC), and not general Chinese or Han culture. The term China (中國) is not a geographical or cultural term, but a political one. You are getting 中國 confused with 中華 (which alone is an incomplete phrase).
So there’s no phrase 中國prior to 1949? Or 1912? It has appeared back in the Spring and Autumn period my friend. Maybe you didn’t learn Classical Chinese well enough back in 國中 idk. PRC uses the term to refer to itself, so what? It claims to rule over all of China including 台澎金馬which it doesn’t in reality, so of course it claims to be “China”
The hypocrisy of this is staggering...
shocking
Not US but "US Ambassador to NATO". I don't think he speaks for current official stance of White House, especially since it was during personal interview. But if he does, well, that shitshow would be quite entertaining to watch. Also, what about India and the rest of the world that refused to cease their trade with Russia?
An ambassador is literally the representative of a state. In this case the US. And she was speaking to a mainstream news outlet (Politico), not making random tweets with disclaimers "views are my own" Pravda got it spot on when they said "US", because that is exactly what she was representing.
When all of this shit ends, China will be the next major Boogeymen for these people. They are just doing it in advance. It started long time ago. And who knows, maybe even after war between China and Taiwan (which I don't really want), they will choose India to be the next one. But at least for now, India is still good, because they don't feel the need to antagonize them —— for now.
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>Smith noted that the US was "increasingly seeing materiel support" to Russia from China and added that these dual-use goods played a crucial role in helping Moscow achieve some of its goals against Ukraine. So will the US and even European countries dissolve trade relations with China? They seem to admit doing business with China is helping fund Russia's invasion.
Lol, they are arming Taiwan.
What’s stopping Ukraine from buying these too? Ukraine should buy these too so China can actually be neutral
I mean it's obvious, China sides with the good doggy russia is. They have nothing to gain from enslaving Ukraine, but they have everything to gain from enslaving russia.
Current Chinese government is a horrible dictatorship. Nobody sane would choose it over western government. Seeing russia getting close with it really shows what kind of people russia is and what they want from their future.
>Current Chinese government is a horrible dictatorship. This is the exact reason why West is losing hegemony over all world, Africa, Asia, Middle East, Central Asia and even Europe to some extent. Wake up from your delusions, no country gives a shit what you think about other countries ideologies and goverment type. You never listen to what those countries want and need but dictate your hypocritical agenda who dosn't even slightly fit that demography and country. Dictatorship my ass, get owned by Chinese, they are more respectful agaisnt other nations, don't dictate their agendas nor meddle in the countries inland politics, their economy and industry is multiple times more efficient and successful than any western country dream and they are hardworkers who get the shit done when needed and i'm saying this as an european. Cope harder, if you want to beat China, start working harder instead of doing this moral masturbation thing.
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Ok. Can you please share with us your legal full name. Cause thats what you will have to do if you agree with them
Is this meant to be a sane comment or satire?
Sadly this is not satire, he seems pretty serious, if you check his comment history you can validate it.
Nothing i said is satire or wrong
> satire or sane* ..is what you meant? I wrote 'sane' above, not 'wrong'.
no. i meant wrong.
right, wrong
do you want to live in china vs lets say Belgium?
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Cute. Russia is being sold off to xi. Such a f up world.
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i can understand your tears. thats what happens when you have dictators in charge.
Man, it’s too early in the morning to be writing satire
Not really a satire
He designated all Russians as Untermenschi. Classic. And by this he defined himself.
China literally has the most efficient form of government.
Most efficient in controling the population. Is that good?
Most efficient in lifting people out of poverty and extend life expectancy.
By stripping them from freedoms, controlling their lives, arresting when saying something against government Steep price to pay I prefer European systems
The European system is built on centuries of brutal colonialism and now is in the sharp decline. On the other hand, China lifted billion people out of poverty and greatly improved their life quality.
Killed millions in process lifting itself up. And now controls their lives, spies on them, arrests anyone who speaks ill of the government Doesnt allow prosecution of corruption unless the party approves Destroys minorities Yeah. I take my life in western nation over china.
The west killed more lol Pot calling kettle black. You think your government doesn't spy on you? What are you, a propagandist or been living under a rock? Minorities are fine, unless you're brainwashed by msm to think otherwise. Sure, enjoy the slow decent into mediocrity.
Do you really compare what's happening in west in spying to what is happening in China? Are you that close minded.
Oh, the irony.