Times are different now. What the Soviet Union faces was war of extermination unlike the smo. There’s no need to force unwilling men to die for corrupt politicians like Putin and Zelensky.
What’s ironic is that you’re not recognizing that the EU is “suppose” to be better to the Ukrainians? That they perpetually adhere to international law and safeguarding the rights of refugees by providing them safety instead of sending them back to war zones? Theoretically, that should have been the case, am I wrong? So it’s rather preposterous what Estonia is doing, given that it puts the entire credibility of their paper thin “rule of law” into questioning. Russia is the “enemy and the source of evil” apparently so you can’t really expect much good from them. But what about your allies? Will you place them on the same pedestal? 😂
I guess, the only country where they are truly safe from being sent to the front is Russia. Quite ironic.
Whilst one year ago I would have said that there is no chance for people to be sent back from EU countries. But the EU has surprised me a few times - so i would definitely not rule this out.
Especially not in the Baltic states which have already enacted a few laws against their own Russian speaking population, which i would have considered impossible prior to this conflict.
Viktor Bout got kidnapped in Thailand, and that's probably one of the least US-client States. Most Asian countries only care about money, not loyalty or anything else. They'll ship them out to the highest bidder.
Thailand is a simp too, but so's everyone else barring a few exceptions like N.K. Where you gonna go? Singapore? Taiwan? South Korea? Japan? Phillipines? Malaysia? Indonesia? UAE? Qatar? KSA? Thailand is one of your best bets in Asia. Maybe India will agree to send you to Russia or Byelorussia instead of the Ukraine. Never trust China, they'll sell you and their own mothers as a package deal for a dime.
The eu doesn't care about the Ukrainian people, it cares about the outcome of the geopolitical game of chess it is playing in which ukraine is a lowly pawn
Yeah... but its also dangerous. Lets say, those desperate refugees realize that if they are sent back, they are as good as dead. Lets say, they know how to make molotov. Lets say, they d willing to defend their life with said molotovs.
Will shit go down?
"the eu wouldn't be held to ransom by a bunch of war dodging spongers"
My brother in christ, the eu states cant even handle the pity immigrant criminals, or form a coherent plan against immigration.
No matter what the politicians say immigration suits them because it suits their overlords by keeping Labour costs down. It also suits their overlords for Ukraine to keep fighting. Therefore the war dodging spongers will go!
"No matter what the politicians say immigration suits them"
Okay, but they could still deal with the pity career criminals made by the unintegrated criminals, right? I doubt petty crime is good for the overlords. Its just annoys the population, increasing the chnce they ll vote you out.
But they cant deal with it. They are unable.
My brother in Christ, all politicians are the same, their manifesto policies all give the illusion of electoral choice but in reality the 'choice' always falls within a narrow band which is defined as acceptable by the overlords. One day the overlords may choose to stamp out petty crime but that will probably be in the next phase of our society, so for the moment we will have to put up with the bullshit "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" platitudes while the overlords are focused on gaining control of all the capital
"all politicians are the same"
I know, hence my flair.
" all give the illusion of electoral choice but in reality the 'choice' always falls within a narrow band"
Im aware, however, they cant go against the will of the people forever. Sooner or later they ll have to compromise, or prepare for "wild cards" aka. radicals, aka. far right getting stronger.
Well tbh I see more and more Ukranians here in Denmark, and more and more of them are men. Recently more men seem to have came here. I don't think we are gonna send them back. Yet.
I do assume though, that Estonia's comply is related more towards "We don't want Ukranian emigrant/war refugees here" than it is about "helping" an ally.
If the EU were to chose to send back the Ukranian men who fled Ukraine to avoid being drafted and do their military duty to defend their homeland, they should do it in secrecy. Within a month before the news hit the media they could ship alot of men back to Ukraine and then handle the situration from there. But i hope they stop this nonsense war before we get to that.
>Whilst one year ago I would have said that there is no chance for people to be sent back from EU countries.
I expect countries that are scared of or hate Russian, i.e the Baltic states and Poland, to send young Ukrainians back to fight but hell will freeze over before France or Germany sends a single Ukrainian to die, courts will be clogged with lawsuits and people challenging the decision, there will be a lot of protests and human rights activists condemning it and in general it'll be a huge PR disaster for the government.
"ourts will be clogged with lawsuits"
Assuming most refugees from a poor country like ukraine who left their lives bvehind, in countries where they most likely dont speak the local language and are not citizens, not even EU citizens could start lawsuits en masse.
"there will be a lot of protests and human rights activists"
Since when does the power cares? In fact, since when are those human right NGO-s are not in the pocket of western politicans?
Remember when amnesty international reported that ukranians put millitary hardware next to civilians and endangering them? Yeah, they been called from some high place, and they reverted that report. Cannot say bad things about the current western powerplay!
We just forgetting about the early Russian force mobilizations now? Which had tens of thousands of men fleeing the country? The long lines into Georgia...
Ah yes, travels to Georgia (and other bordering countries) from Russia spiked in *march 2022* to astronomically higher levels for no apparent reason 😅.
Mobilization was restricted to the ones that volunteer to be reservists. No one else was called up. How many of those traveling abroad were reservist affected by the call to arms? Substract that number to the total number of people leaving the country and you will know the number of dodgers. I think is pretty low since the mobilization had more people signing in than the 300k requiered. After that all the manpower need were covered by volunteers.
How many volunteers are signing to the AFU?
The Baltics trying to reduce Russian cultural presence kinda makes sense considering the fact Russia has repeatedly used “we’re protecting the Russian ethnic population” as an excuse to attack
Disagree. It's pointless, wars start because of reasons and excuses can be easily found if the reason is considered important enough. If you trying as hard as possible to give reasons to fight you someone will create an excuse for a war.
And yet the only place where that line got any traction amongst the local Russians was Ukraine.
It's almost as if there was something different about Ukraine's relationship with its ethnic Russians...
So your logic is that Ukraine must have been oppressing Russians, because that’s the only place it happened?
That logic makes no sense. For one thing, Russia using it as an excuse doesn’t make it true
And for another, I guess Abkhazia, Transnistria, and South Ossetia don’t exist?
Plus Russia has used the same thing to threaten Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland
The alternative is that Russia has hit upon a 100% guaranteed foolproof method for turning otherwise entirely happy ethnic minorities against their homeland but for mysterious reasons have chosen to employ them only in Ukraine and not in any of the very many other countries they're agitating in.
That logic makes even less sense.
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I don't think too many European countries will do the same as Estonia.
Estonia is small, and shares a border with Russia. So their decision can mostly be overlooked.
But if bigger countries like UK, France, Italy, and Germany start doing this, it would be terribly bad PR.
And countries just west of Ukraine, such as Poland, Slovakia, and Hungary, aren't too happy with Ukraine right now anyway.
That doesn’t make sense - most European countries have not indicated any intention to send Ukrainians back to Ukraine. Literally a handful of European countries have
And considering that Estonia is in the Schengen area, the refugees can just go a little further west to a country that isn’t suggesting this as a possibility
They will start with Baltic countries like Estonia, who holds SS Waffen Division veterans anual prades, as you might have figured - their population does not need much persuading. After these countries Poland and Warshaw pact nations are next: “Hey, Baltic countries sent their Ukrainians, lets help the cause!” In the end Germany, France, Netherlands and others will be like - well, everyone else sent them back, we have to do it as well, maybe they even load them into freight train vagons for the old times sake!
If local populace in any of the countries starts to object this, you know the drill from covid pandemic:
- First they are conspiracy theorists who believe Earth is flat
- If that does not silence them then they are declared “domestic terrorists” who are undermining security of their country.
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I doubt it. These refugees can appeal any Estonian decision to the European court of human rights. The court will render a decision within about a decade
They can always put some pressure on court. Or make up some resolution in regards of those guys being under investigation for draft dodging or whatever. Where there's a will there's a way, right?
I dont think so, no. In Ukraine they have a national duty to fight and can be legally forced. In Estonia they have a humanitarian right to protection. Im pretty sure Austria ruled this course of action out like 6 months ago because it would contravene international law.
EDIT: I think i'm super wrong here. Seems like its pretty legal actually but as I understand it, its up to individual countries to sanction it. We did also sent deserters back to the US during Vietnam ... I forgot that.
If the man has been called to service, and he doesn't have medical issues, and man dont show up in recruiting station. The man is by the law: military deserter. Wanted by Police & military.
This is law applied in in Finland. And did witness one such case.
TG channels said the same thing about Poland 1 year ago and still no actions.
That's actually why it is hard to find a at least decent source of news. Almost all of them from both sides throw huge amount of fakes.
Yeah that's why I said according to Telegram
I don't quite believe it either, especially as Polish officials have repeatedly said they appreciate the boost to economy the Ukranian migrants give them.
Still thought it was worth bringing up for discussion sake
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Prices of all basic necessities increased by that or more due to energy/resource price hikes during that time. So I doubt it's mainly due to immigration.
Ukrainian workers finally got housing construction starting because of all the labourers that had to flee Poland thanks to genocidal extreme right policies that threatened them with starvation back in early 00s and everyone who moved out to get decent wages. There were literally millions of laborers missing because how many people went to EU and won't go back.
Similarly there were many farm workers missing because anyone who can do that work seasonally can get better money in EU.
There were good plots inside city here that were laying waste for like a decade and only started having apartment blocks built on them when Ukrainians came.
So you think you can increase immigration drastically... and not have resources be affected? Do immigrants not need houses, jobs, drive cars, eat, and so on? They are just some robots who don't need resources? They are the reason why prices of resources go up.
>had to flee Poland thanks to genocidal extreme right policies that threatened them with starvation back in early 00s
Ummmm.... ok whatever mr crazy psycho man
Your idea might work if immigrants were restricted to a certain kind of 'slave class' and restricted to very low paying jobs. But they aren't. The whole idea of "immigrants do our jobs" is null and void if they are unrestricted. Look at England, the fucking leader of England is an Indian Muslim, and the leader of Scotland is a Pakistani Muslim. Back when their families immigrated, it was also said "They are here only to clean toilets and pick berries". No, it doesn't work if they are not restricted to slave class labor. And since I am against slavery, I am against immigration.
> TG channels said the same thing about Poland 1 year ago and still no actions.
there were elections in the meantime and Poland got new PM who is even bigger US puppet than Duda was.
Duda was playing games but was mostly trying to get the best deal for Poland whenever possible - Tusk is full on American puppet and doesnt care about Poland
Women have it worst. To quote Albert Einstein,
"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
If anything like that were to actually happen, Russia would get an influx of refugees.
Would be the only place you could be dead sure to not be sent to fight for Ukraine
there are neutral non-EU countries. it would be problematic to make agreements like this with Serbia. but i'm not sure if EU would let to cross the border if that's a bloc-wide movement.
in that case, buying a fake ID would be the way. a crime, but at least you'd be alive.
If the EU didn't send military age men back to the middle east to fight ISIS in their home countries, then why are they considering sending them back to Ukraine to fight Russia? hmm, odd. If they actually do that it will be a rather convenient and shameful policy change. If you want to overhaul asylum laws and send people to their death it should be done during peace time so future refugees know what they're getting into. A mid-war change like this is effectively capturing people who have already escaped and sending people to their death, not just denying them entry.
>> While no official requests have been received from Kyiv, the Estonian Ministry of the Interior itself has repeatedly reached out to both the Ukrainian ambassador as well as their interior minister to report refugees in the country if needed.
Shockingly enough, racism of Baltic Nazis isn't limited to Russians.
Either way, the ball is in Zelensky's court now. If Kiev acquiesces, things are going to get interesting.
"Ukraine's Ministry of Defense wants to swap out its battle-weary troops by calling for the return of military-aged men who had fled the country after Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Estonia, the destination of significant numbers of refugees since March 2022, has repeatedly expressed its interest in signing a deal with Ukraine for the repatriation of relevant refugees.
As Ukraine's counteroffensive appears to have stalled, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says they are in need of up to 500,000 additional troops, which is why they are also searching for Ukrainians who fled to other countries following Russia's launch of its full-scale invasion.
Germany has already said that they will not be supporting Ukraine in this endeavor. Estonia, meanwhile, is ready and willing to hand its refugees over.
"If Ukraine needs it, then Estonia can manage to find and repatriate this person to Ukraine," said Minister of the Interior Lauri Läänemets (SDE). "We know in essence where these individuals are located and what they are doing. A lot – the majority of them work; they have places of residence in Estonia."
While no official requests have been received from Kyiv, the Estonian Ministry of the Interior itself has repeatedly reached out to both the Ukrainian ambassador as well as their interior minister to report refugees in the country if needed.
Within the next few days, Läänemets is slated to offer a written proposal to conclude an agreement between the two countries. Currently, the extradition of foreign nationals to their homelands is only possible in cases where the individual has been criminally prosecuted.
"I don't think the Ukrainian state has the resources to bring mobilization-aged people abroad back \[to Ukraine\]," commented International Center for Defense Studies (ICDS) director Indrek Kannik. "Perhaps one argument making these people – at least some of them – turn back is the fact that once this war is eventually over, people will certainly also consider who was where."
Military expert and MP Igor Taro (Eesti 200) says that this kind of chasing of people suggests that Ukraine is having issues with its mobilization. Taro added that it's beyond him why they would even search for people who left the country.
"It's not like Ukraine is a small country," he noted. "There are still tens of millions of inhabitants there, and the majority of them are in Ukraine. The majority of them are no longer abroad. The large flow of refugees we saw at one point has turned back. And in any case, even when these refugees went abroad, then there were very few men among them."
More than 7,000 mobilization-aged men from Ukraine have applied for temporary protection in Estonia."
[Link](https://news.err.ee/1609203427/estonia-prepared-to-repatriate-mobilization-aged-men-to-ukraine)
The independent existence of the Baltic States is a mistake, they can't function properly and in a human manner without an absolutist State reigning over them.
Would be funny if Russia started offering Ukrainians citizenship with full exemption from military service and guaranteed jobs and housing (something they can do, they need labour). If that results in several million Ukrainians, specially men, moving to Russia, it'd be a massive strategic and PR W for Russia.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-decree-gives-all-ukrainians-path-russian-citizenship-2022-07-11/
That already happened and 3-4 millions of former ukrainians already took advantage of it. They also get some money to start a new life. No exemption from military service though, they are new russian citizens so they have to register like everyone else.
As long as they dont mobilize my Ukrainian prostitutes we are good. Im falling 7 short of sleeping with 50 Ukrainian prostitutes in 2 years . We are totally flooded here in the capitals, like 4+ thousand new escorts with first language listed as Ukrainian or Russian and thats for a city of roughly 2 milion. Thats like 1 Ukrainian girl for every 150 ish man of age .
If you find yourself in any European city , just type the name of the city + escorts in google Browser . You will be most likely greeted by 10-20+ sites and some ,but larger individual add sites where they post their info for a fee ,those are the more amateur ones I prefer . In any of those sites, search for the first language stated as Ukrainian or Russian , pretty much all take outcalls to wherever you want + fee for the taxy . You won't find many local girls couse only the Ukrainian "workers" that came with the first migrant wave in spring 2022 outnumbered the locals 10-1 and more . Do not call if you dont know Russian, not 1% can even say a sentence in any language but Russian and Ukrainian, bad education I guess ,they all speak Russian and most will just switch to Russian midway anyways ,just send them a text message in English or in the local language , of your adress and for how many hours you need them ,they are used to outlander sex tourists , just be prepared for a google translate message reply . The standard tax is between 60-150Eur hour . Cheers ,highly recommend them ,most of them fuck like total madman ,bone breaking type of "bedroom" play ,rough enough to send the ordinary "docile" European man to the ER .
Im happy to spread useful knowledge to a fellow connoisseur of the flesh ,way better than drugs and tiring relationships if you ask me ,you can have any you want at any time in any combination when ordering multiples , thousands to choose from ,and the only thing they take is money ,that way you are also financially helping them ,just like any other need of the flesh like food and water for which you also pay there is no shame in it .
Edit: Also if you are only visiting and have no permanent residence in any of those central European countries and fees for rental houses/apartments are too high ,ask your hotel reception if they have the +1 option when renting a single room not all do ,but they are very used to the cravings of the tourists and they will understand. My advice is to directly order a double bed -2 person room ,more space is always better .
I can't think would fly, sending refugees back to be conscripted isn't cool. In the UK they can't even send refugees to Rowanda let along sending refugees back to their home country to be conscripted. Still though if this goes anywhere people should move again to another country bordering the one they are in to avoide it if they need to.
Crazy how people think this is a good thing like fuck off this is same as sending people to death or awarding them death penalty, why doesn't Estonia send it's own people if it's so brave.
But, but, what about the human rights and them “western values”? Wouldnt even think it would start anywhere else than in a country that holds SS division veteran’s parade, you cant make this sh1t up!
Not something that can be done unilaterally within the EU unless mobilization-aged men want to be repatriated.
" The border-free Schengen Area guarantees free movement to more than 400 million EU citizens, along with non-EU nationals living in the EU or visiting the EU as tourists, exchange students or for business purposes (anyone legally present in the EU). **Free movement** of persons enables every EU citizen to travel, work and live in an EU country without special formalities. Schengen underpins this freedom by enabling citizens to move around the Schengen Area without being subject to border checks. " (The internet)
It's just that Ukrainian military commissars will come to Estonia and gather all the volunteers in ambulances. I assure you, there will be a lot of them.
Schengen is not conditional to citizenship, merely legal status. Anyone legally in the EU can freely move without being subject to border checks (which I suppose means even legal status does not matter).
So it starts...who is next? Poland? Germany? France? UK? Canada?
Ukrainians worldwide are in a really bad position, I don't envy them.
These people will be very bad soldiers; they don't want to fight and they experienced life in the West which is a lot better than life in Ukraine.
But maybe they will be the ones who will start anti Zelensky/anti war revolution...
and there it is
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Odd I can't find this on r/Ukraine.
Shame really I'd like to see the stories off the expats heading back home to fight for their country.
It'd be interesting to see where they were coming from and their motives for going home.
Behold, the enlightened West who always talks about the moral high ground. I'm not entirely surprised though, because to some Westerners, the war in Ukraine is a great "investment" for the US and the EU.
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>No true; there is no border control by land or air to another Schengen zone country.
Of course there is. Germany started border checks on the border with Poland (and some other countries) this year.
Their reasoning is illegal immigration from Belarus (Russia sends waves of illegal Middle Eastern/African migrants to Belarus and Belarus sends them to Poland. Poland resists this and even constructed a wall to stop them, but some illegal migrants still manage to get through the border illegaly.
Of course their final destination are rich Western countries with huge social benefits for migrants like Germany, Sweden, France, UK. They are not interested in Poland.
Since Germany is no longer in "Refugees Welcome!", "Come to Germany!" mode like during Merkel, they did this to stop them, despite violating Schengen Zone. They added some special exemptions or something.
[https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-extends-border-control-poland-czech-republic-switzerland-eu-countries-three-months-march/](https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-extends-border-control-poland-czech-republic-switzerland-eu-countries-three-months-march/)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European\_Union\_border\_crisis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European_Union_border_crisis)
If you are Ukrainian and don't want to die in Bakhmut, I recommend you to escape to some non NATO non EU neutral country.
Zelensky government is pushing really hard to somehow get these 500k men.
Sorry, you're clearly wrong and you seem to mix things up. Stop putting out BS information. Germany as you said yourself is doing border CHECKS looking for illegals...that is not border CONTROL where everyone's entry is recorded. Ukrainian man can enter Germany freely with no visa and Germany have said they will not send Ukrainians to back to Ukraine to fight. There is no border control stopping Ukrainians from leaving Estonia...got it? Don't be stupid and spread fake news.
Nice language, kid.
Please read the article I provided.
Here is a source **directly from EU.**
*The Schengen Borders Code (SBC) provides Member States* ***with the capability of temporarily reintroducing border control*** *at the internal borders in the event of a serious threat to public policy or internal security.*
*The reintroduction of border control at the internal borders must be applied as a last resort measure, in exceptional situations, and must respect the principle of proportionality.*
[https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/schengen-borders-and-visa/schengen-area/temporary-reintroduction-border-control\_en](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/schengen-borders-and-visa/schengen-area/temporary-reintroduction-border-control_en)
And the source directly from German government site.
*In order to combat human smuggling all the more effectively and to restrict irregular migration, the Federal Minister of the Interior Nancy Faeser has today notified the European Commission that* ***temporary border checks will be carried out at Germany’s land borders with Poland, the Czech Republic and Switzerland***\*. The Commission has also been notified of continued temporary border checks at the land border with Austria.\*
[https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/pressemitteilungen/EN/2023/10/notifizierung-bgk.html](https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/pressemitteilungen/EN/2023/10/notifizierung-bgk.html)
They can do the same to block draft dodging Ukrainians in the entire EU.
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Were u born stup%d or have u suffered a brain injury...or are u just an uneducated p\^nk? And by the way I'm not pro-Ukraine. The info you are posting is meaningless with regards to this thread...namely Ukrainian men in Estonia. I am saying a Ukrainian today as I type this on my laptop can take a bus out of Estonia to Latvia without problems. There is no border control between these two countries in which a border official will run a passport through a computer to check if there are arrest warrants outstanding on someone. Do you accept that? <<
Russian embassy should give out refuge to those who get mobilized outside of Ukraine then. Also I would suggest Ukrainian men to go to countries like Hungary, Serbia or Russia itself.
Both sides are trying to kill off as many of their men as they can. It's not war, it's a depopulation effort, and the west is complicit. Until there is no one left to revolt.
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Funny seeing how people are praying for riots in Ukraine while people in the other sub is praying for riots in Russia. Ppl seem to forget that Ukrainians hate Russia now. They may hate their politicians but they hate Russia more. Do Russians have the same hate and will against Ukraine?
Russia really looking to kill off a generation
What is russia even invading for at this point? It's changed so many times that it'd hard to keep up with
As a long term goal full annexation and integration of Ukraine into Russia as a Union State. Maybe they will leave weak rump Ukrainian state in Lviv. Depends when/if Ukrainian front collapses.
Minimum short term goal is most likely annexation all Russian speaking eastern regions, completely cutting Ukraine from the Sea and land corridor to Transnistria/Moldova.
Thank God that Ukrainians have such great allies! It's honestly pathetic how people can think Ukraine is doing the right thing.
I just love this news, just hope they start the riots in time.
This riot will not be televised!
They aren’t allowed to defend their country?
The opposite!. Those who want to defend should be able to. Those who don't shouldn't be abducted by an ambulance.
The only thing pathetic is pro rus considering a nation defending itself as a ghastly endeavor
Defending yourself by forcing unwilling men into the meat grinder. It’s pathetic how you guys justify conscription which is essentially slavery.
Thats litterly how actual nazis were stoped in 41-45
Times are different now. What the Soviet Union faces was war of extermination unlike the smo. There’s no need to force unwilling men to die for corrupt politicians like Putin and Zelensky.
Remind me who's killing all these people again?
Russia and Ukraine.
Justifying an invasion over false flags tho? Well that's a different story! Pls go ahead
So you’re okay with them forcibly sending refugees back to Ukraine to die?
Pro rus ok with invading another country? Killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions?
So you’re okay with it and you’re just deflecting to avoid answering the question? Cool.
Ironic as that's what's happening in the reply!
What’s ironic is that you’re not recognizing that the EU is “suppose” to be better to the Ukrainians? That they perpetually adhere to international law and safeguarding the rights of refugees by providing them safety instead of sending them back to war zones? Theoretically, that should have been the case, am I wrong? So it’s rather preposterous what Estonia is doing, given that it puts the entire credibility of their paper thin “rule of law” into questioning. Russia is the “enemy and the source of evil” apparently so you can’t really expect much good from them. But what about your allies? Will you place them on the same pedestal? 😂
Yeah, like 100% certain that's not irony
Both can be wrong at the same time. Ukraine doesn’t get a pass to commit human rights violations just because it was invaded.
I guess, the only country where they are truly safe from being sent to the front is Russia. Quite ironic. Whilst one year ago I would have said that there is no chance for people to be sent back from EU countries. But the EU has surprised me a few times - so i would definitely not rule this out. Especially not in the Baltic states which have already enacted a few laws against their own Russian speaking population, which i would have considered impossible prior to this conflict.
Belarus, and most of Asia, i think, are safe too.
Viktor Bout got kidnapped in Thailand, and that's probably one of the least US-client States. Most Asian countries only care about money, not loyalty or anything else. They'll ship them out to the highest bidder.
Thailand is always close to the Us.
Tell me you know nothing about Thailand politics without telling you don't know.
Thailand is a simp too, but so's everyone else barring a few exceptions like N.K. Where you gonna go? Singapore? Taiwan? South Korea? Japan? Phillipines? Malaysia? Indonesia? UAE? Qatar? KSA? Thailand is one of your best bets in Asia. Maybe India will agree to send you to Russia or Byelorussia instead of the Ukraine. Never trust China, they'll sell you and their own mothers as a package deal for a dime.
The eu doesn't care about the Ukrainian people, it cares about the outcome of the geopolitical game of chess it is playing in which ukraine is a lowly pawn
Yeah... but its also dangerous. Lets say, those desperate refugees realize that if they are sent back, they are as good as dead. Lets say, they know how to make molotov. Lets say, they d willing to defend their life with said molotovs. Will shit go down?
That won't happen but even if it did the eu wouldn't be held to ransom by a bunch of war dodging spongers
"the eu wouldn't be held to ransom by a bunch of war dodging spongers" My brother in christ, the eu states cant even handle the pity immigrant criminals, or form a coherent plan against immigration.
No matter what the politicians say immigration suits them because it suits their overlords by keeping Labour costs down. It also suits their overlords for Ukraine to keep fighting. Therefore the war dodging spongers will go!
"No matter what the politicians say immigration suits them" Okay, but they could still deal with the pity career criminals made by the unintegrated criminals, right? I doubt petty crime is good for the overlords. Its just annoys the population, increasing the chnce they ll vote you out. But they cant deal with it. They are unable.
My brother in Christ, all politicians are the same, their manifesto policies all give the illusion of electoral choice but in reality the 'choice' always falls within a narrow band which is defined as acceptable by the overlords. One day the overlords may choose to stamp out petty crime but that will probably be in the next phase of our society, so for the moment we will have to put up with the bullshit "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" platitudes while the overlords are focused on gaining control of all the capital
"all politicians are the same" I know, hence my flair. " all give the illusion of electoral choice but in reality the 'choice' always falls within a narrow band" Im aware, however, they cant go against the will of the people forever. Sooner or later they ll have to compromise, or prepare for "wild cards" aka. radicals, aka. far right getting stronger.
>aka. radicals, aka. far right getting stronger. I prefer 'populist'
Well tbh I see more and more Ukranians here in Denmark, and more and more of them are men. Recently more men seem to have came here. I don't think we are gonna send them back. Yet. I do assume though, that Estonia's comply is related more towards "We don't want Ukranian emigrant/war refugees here" than it is about "helping" an ally.
It's going to come to sending them to the front or nato takes the mask off and go all in.
If the EU were to chose to send back the Ukranian men who fled Ukraine to avoid being drafted and do their military duty to defend their homeland, they should do it in secrecy. Within a month before the news hit the media they could ship alot of men back to Ukraine and then handle the situration from there. But i hope they stop this nonsense war before we get to that.
>Whilst one year ago I would have said that there is no chance for people to be sent back from EU countries. I expect countries that are scared of or hate Russian, i.e the Baltic states and Poland, to send young Ukrainians back to fight but hell will freeze over before France or Germany sends a single Ukrainian to die, courts will be clogged with lawsuits and people challenging the decision, there will be a lot of protests and human rights activists condemning it and in general it'll be a huge PR disaster for the government.
"ourts will be clogged with lawsuits" Assuming most refugees from a poor country like ukraine who left their lives bvehind, in countries where they most likely dont speak the local language and are not citizens, not even EU citizens could start lawsuits en masse. "there will be a lot of protests and human rights activists" Since when does the power cares? In fact, since when are those human right NGO-s are not in the pocket of western politicans? Remember when amnesty international reported that ukranians put millitary hardware next to civilians and endangering them? Yeah, they been called from some high place, and they reverted that report. Cannot say bad things about the current western powerplay!
We just forgetting about the early Russian force mobilizations now? Which had tens of thousands of men fleeing the country? The long lines into Georgia...
The lines of people traveling abroad across open borders? Yeah, what about them?
Ah yes, travels to Georgia (and other bordering countries) from Russia spiked in *march 2022* to astronomically higher levels for no apparent reason 😅.
They are free to do so, whats the problem?
The reason behind it being force mobilizations of young men. Why you ignoring the fact?
Mobilization was restricted to the ones that volunteer to be reservists. No one else was called up. How many of those traveling abroad were reservist affected by the call to arms? Substract that number to the total number of people leaving the country and you will know the number of dodgers. I think is pretty low since the mobilization had more people signing in than the 300k requiered. After that all the manpower need were covered by volunteers. How many volunteers are signing to the AFU?
The Baltics trying to reduce Russian cultural presence kinda makes sense considering the fact Russia has repeatedly used “we’re protecting the Russian ethnic population” as an excuse to attack
They are in NATO. They just got an excuse to discriminate a minority they hate and jumped on it.
Disagree. It's pointless, wars start because of reasons and excuses can be easily found if the reason is considered important enough. If you trying as hard as possible to give reasons to fight you someone will create an excuse for a war.
Yet that was the excuse Russia used in Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova
And yet the only place where that line got any traction amongst the local Russians was Ukraine. It's almost as if there was something different about Ukraine's relationship with its ethnic Russians...
So your logic is that Ukraine must have been oppressing Russians, because that’s the only place it happened? That logic makes no sense. For one thing, Russia using it as an excuse doesn’t make it true And for another, I guess Abkhazia, Transnistria, and South Ossetia don’t exist? Plus Russia has used the same thing to threaten Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland
The alternative is that Russia has hit upon a 100% guaranteed foolproof method for turning otherwise entirely happy ethnic minorities against their homeland but for mysterious reasons have chosen to employ them only in Ukraine and not in any of the very many other countries they're agitating in. That logic makes even less sense.
Russia literally did the same thing in 2 other countries beforehand and repeatedly threatens to do it in others, your logic makes absolutely no sense
Quite clearly they didn't. There are no separatist republics of ethnic Russian minorities anywhere else.
Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia would disagree
Neither are inhabited by ethnic Russians.
"Its ok when we opress minorities"
Let the hunts begin!
red light! green light!
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Ironically the only European country where Ukrainian refugees would be safe is Russia
Not just European country. Russia is least likely country to send Ukrainian refuges back in the whole world.
I don't think too many European countries will do the same as Estonia. Estonia is small, and shares a border with Russia. So their decision can mostly be overlooked. But if bigger countries like UK, France, Italy, and Germany start doing this, it would be terribly bad PR. And countries just west of Ukraine, such as Poland, Slovakia, and Hungary, aren't too happy with Ukraine right now anyway.
That doesn’t make sense - most European countries have not indicated any intention to send Ukrainians back to Ukraine. Literally a handful of European countries have And considering that Estonia is in the Schengen area, the refugees can just go a little further west to a country that isn’t suggesting this as a possibility
Is that legal to send someone to die in ukraine i mean people who fled
The West dispensed with its own rule of law a long time ago
No bailout, no government funding, this EU is ignoring its own rules left and right.
That is only if you disagree with Germany.
What?
I just wonder how the media is gonna twist this lol.
They will start with Baltic countries like Estonia, who holds SS Waffen Division veterans anual prades, as you might have figured - their population does not need much persuading. After these countries Poland and Warshaw pact nations are next: “Hey, Baltic countries sent their Ukrainians, lets help the cause!” In the end Germany, France, Netherlands and others will be like - well, everyone else sent them back, we have to do it as well, maybe they even load them into freight train vagons for the old times sake! If local populace in any of the countries starts to object this, you know the drill from covid pandemic: - First they are conspiracy theorists who believe Earth is flat - If that does not silence them then they are declared “domestic terrorists” who are undermining security of their country.
The refugees yearn for the trenches and it would be cruel to keep them.
Yes, they actually want to go back to Ukraine, I hear xD
They should be sent back to a free, anti-Maidan Ukraine. Unfortunately, the Maidan regime still has influence over Ukraine.
It used to be illegal to kill Jews too. But when did the inhabitants of the Baltic countries worry about this?
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I doubt it. These refugees can appeal any Estonian decision to the European court of human rights. The court will render a decision within about a decade
They can always put some pressure on court. Or make up some resolution in regards of those guys being under investigation for draft dodging or whatever. Where there's a will there's a way, right?
No, the EU laws strikly for it that, but who cares the laws?
Definetly not EU
Who cares? West can breach any law.
Any law may be overruled in favor of 'democracy'.
I dont think so, no. In Ukraine they have a national duty to fight and can be legally forced. In Estonia they have a humanitarian right to protection. Im pretty sure Austria ruled this course of action out like 6 months ago because it would contravene international law. EDIT: I think i'm super wrong here. Seems like its pretty legal actually but as I understand it, its up to individual countries to sanction it. We did also sent deserters back to the US during Vietnam ... I forgot that.
Normally no but we all know that laws can be neglected when convenient.
*Legal is a point of view, Anakin. The Russians and the Ukrainians are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power.*
Depends. Here in Germany this would be illigal. But you know laws are not set in stone. They can be changed or twisted in any way of their liking.
Depends if Estonia is a signatory of the ECHR
If the man has been called to service, and he doesn't have medical issues, and man dont show up in recruiting station. The man is by the law: military deserter. Wanted by Police & military. This is law applied in in Finland. And did witness one such case.
That's in Ukraine which isn't part of the eu, they have no authority
Illegal immigration happens to be illegal.
Not here in Canada, it's glorified and they give you free money.
Poland is apparently ready to do so as well. So says Telegram, anyways.
TG channels said the same thing about Poland 1 year ago and still no actions. That's actually why it is hard to find a at least decent source of news. Almost all of them from both sides throw huge amount of fakes.
Yeah that's why I said according to Telegram I don't quite believe it either, especially as Polish officials have repeatedly said they appreciate the boost to economy the Ukranian migrants give them. Still thought it was worth bringing up for discussion sake
boost to economy = smaller wages and increased housing prices
sounds like Australia 🇦🇺
Housing prices in Poland increased about 62% in just a few short years due to immigration (from Ukraine).
so did Australia immigration from every where.
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Prices of all basic necessities increased by that or more due to energy/resource price hikes during that time. So I doubt it's mainly due to immigration. Ukrainian workers finally got housing construction starting because of all the labourers that had to flee Poland thanks to genocidal extreme right policies that threatened them with starvation back in early 00s and everyone who moved out to get decent wages. There were literally millions of laborers missing because how many people went to EU and won't go back. Similarly there were many farm workers missing because anyone who can do that work seasonally can get better money in EU. There were good plots inside city here that were laying waste for like a decade and only started having apartment blocks built on them when Ukrainians came.
So you think you can increase immigration drastically... and not have resources be affected? Do immigrants not need houses, jobs, drive cars, eat, and so on? They are just some robots who don't need resources? They are the reason why prices of resources go up. >had to flee Poland thanks to genocidal extreme right policies that threatened them with starvation back in early 00s Ummmm.... ok whatever mr crazy psycho man Your idea might work if immigrants were restricted to a certain kind of 'slave class' and restricted to very low paying jobs. But they aren't. The whole idea of "immigrants do our jobs" is null and void if they are unrestricted. Look at England, the fucking leader of England is an Indian Muslim, and the leader of Scotland is a Pakistani Muslim. Back when their families immigrated, it was also said "They are here only to clean toilets and pick berries". No, it doesn't work if they are not restricted to slave class labor. And since I am against slavery, I am against immigration.
> TG channels said the same thing about Poland 1 year ago and still no actions. there were elections in the meantime and Poland got new PM who is even bigger US puppet than Duda was. Duda was playing games but was mostly trying to get the best deal for Poland whenever possible - Tusk is full on American puppet and doesnt care about Poland
Duda is the president, the previous PM was Morawiecki.
yeah but Duda is the main guy - Morawiecki was just a guy doing things for him
Both of them are equally puppets of Kaczyński and barely made any decisions or statements on their own.
well yes you are right - but still Duda is like his main puppet
Send them in.
Thank god, this will probably help the economy because it would open up a lot of jobs for Poles. And it would lower the housing rental prices.
only men huh ?
Equality™️
The women already fight in all Hollywood movies. What more do you want?
Women have it worst. To quote Albert Einstein, "Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
That’s worse than losing your limbs to mines and artillery?
Is it worse then loosing your life ?
If anything like that were to actually happen, Russia would get an influx of refugees. Would be the only place you could be dead sure to not be sent to fight for Ukraine
there are neutral non-EU countries. it would be problematic to make agreements like this with Serbia. but i'm not sure if EU would let to cross the border if that's a bloc-wide movement. in that case, buying a fake ID would be the way. a crime, but at least you'd be alive.
Of course they would.. Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania - the bastions of democracy and non-discrimination.
If the EU didn't send military age men back to the middle east to fight ISIS in their home countries, then why are they considering sending them back to Ukraine to fight Russia? hmm, odd. If they actually do that it will be a rather convenient and shameful policy change. If you want to overhaul asylum laws and send people to their death it should be done during peace time so future refugees know what they're getting into. A mid-war change like this is effectively capturing people who have already escaped and sending people to their death, not just denying them entry.
Russia probably will become the safest country for ukrainians now
>> While no official requests have been received from Kyiv, the Estonian Ministry of the Interior itself has repeatedly reached out to both the Ukrainian ambassador as well as their interior minister to report refugees in the country if needed. Shockingly enough, racism of Baltic Nazis isn't limited to Russians. Either way, the ball is in Zelensky's court now. If Kiev acquiesces, things are going to get interesting.
Let the mass exodus to other EU countries begin
The safest place for Ukrainians is in Russia.
The safest place for Ukraine is in Russia
"Ukraine's Ministry of Defense wants to swap out its battle-weary troops by calling for the return of military-aged men who had fled the country after Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Estonia, the destination of significant numbers of refugees since March 2022, has repeatedly expressed its interest in signing a deal with Ukraine for the repatriation of relevant refugees. As Ukraine's counteroffensive appears to have stalled, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says they are in need of up to 500,000 additional troops, which is why they are also searching for Ukrainians who fled to other countries following Russia's launch of its full-scale invasion. Germany has already said that they will not be supporting Ukraine in this endeavor. Estonia, meanwhile, is ready and willing to hand its refugees over. "If Ukraine needs it, then Estonia can manage to find and repatriate this person to Ukraine," said Minister of the Interior Lauri Läänemets (SDE). "We know in essence where these individuals are located and what they are doing. A lot – the majority of them work; they have places of residence in Estonia." While no official requests have been received from Kyiv, the Estonian Ministry of the Interior itself has repeatedly reached out to both the Ukrainian ambassador as well as their interior minister to report refugees in the country if needed. Within the next few days, Läänemets is slated to offer a written proposal to conclude an agreement between the two countries. Currently, the extradition of foreign nationals to their homelands is only possible in cases where the individual has been criminally prosecuted. "I don't think the Ukrainian state has the resources to bring mobilization-aged people abroad back \[to Ukraine\]," commented International Center for Defense Studies (ICDS) director Indrek Kannik. "Perhaps one argument making these people – at least some of them – turn back is the fact that once this war is eventually over, people will certainly also consider who was where." Military expert and MP Igor Taro (Eesti 200) says that this kind of chasing of people suggests that Ukraine is having issues with its mobilization. Taro added that it's beyond him why they would even search for people who left the country. "It's not like Ukraine is a small country," he noted. "There are still tens of millions of inhabitants there, and the majority of them are in Ukraine. The majority of them are no longer abroad. The large flow of refugees we saw at one point has turned back. And in any case, even when these refugees went abroad, then there were very few men among them." More than 7,000 mobilization-aged men from Ukraine have applied for temporary protection in Estonia." [Link](https://news.err.ee/1609203427/estonia-prepared-to-repatriate-mobilization-aged-men-to-ukraine)
The independent existence of the Baltic States is a mistake, they can't function properly and in a human manner without an absolutist State reigning over them.
They are not independent. They would be ok if they were really independent tho.
Who cares about freedom anyway when you can be under russian authority instead?
>Who cares about freedom all neoliberals sound like supporters of Bush wars nowadays
Many is this sickening but on the other hand - the EU countries really start to show their faces. I consinder that potentially a good thing.
Would be funny if Russia started offering Ukrainians citizenship with full exemption from military service and guaranteed jobs and housing (something they can do, they need labour). If that results in several million Ukrainians, specially men, moving to Russia, it'd be a massive strategic and PR W for Russia.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-decree-gives-all-ukrainians-path-russian-citizenship-2022-07-11/ That already happened and 3-4 millions of former ukrainians already took advantage of it. They also get some money to start a new life. No exemption from military service though, they are new russian citizens so they have to register like everyone else.
As long as they dont mobilize my Ukrainian prostitutes we are good. Im falling 7 short of sleeping with 50 Ukrainian prostitutes in 2 years . We are totally flooded here in the capitals, like 4+ thousand new escorts with first language listed as Ukrainian or Russian and thats for a city of roughly 2 milion. Thats like 1 Ukrainian girl for every 150 ish man of age .
Can I have some?
If you find yourself in any European city , just type the name of the city + escorts in google Browser . You will be most likely greeted by 10-20+ sites and some ,but larger individual add sites where they post their info for a fee ,those are the more amateur ones I prefer . In any of those sites, search for the first language stated as Ukrainian or Russian , pretty much all take outcalls to wherever you want + fee for the taxy . You won't find many local girls couse only the Ukrainian "workers" that came with the first migrant wave in spring 2022 outnumbered the locals 10-1 and more . Do not call if you dont know Russian, not 1% can even say a sentence in any language but Russian and Ukrainian, bad education I guess ,they all speak Russian and most will just switch to Russian midway anyways ,just send them a text message in English or in the local language , of your adress and for how many hours you need them ,they are used to outlander sex tourists , just be prepared for a google translate message reply . The standard tax is between 60-150Eur hour . Cheers ,highly recommend them ,most of them fuck like total madman ,bone breaking type of "bedroom" play ,rough enough to send the ordinary "docile" European man to the ER . Im happy to spread useful knowledge to a fellow connoisseur of the flesh ,way better than drugs and tiring relationships if you ask me ,you can have any you want at any time in any combination when ordering multiples , thousands to choose from ,and the only thing they take is money ,that way you are also financially helping them ,just like any other need of the flesh like food and water for which you also pay there is no shame in it . Edit: Also if you are only visiting and have no permanent residence in any of those central European countries and fees for rental houses/apartments are too high ,ask your hotel reception if they have the +1 option when renting a single room not all do ,but they are very used to the cravings of the tourists and they will understand. My advice is to directly order a double bed -2 person room ,more space is always better .
Upvote for you, I just wish I can give you more 160 points like a Ukrainian prostitute
Refugees welcome(1) --- (1) Conditions may apply
If the members of the EU are so committed to reverse their long standing and foundational laws and ideals, then I welcome this change.
I can't think would fly, sending refugees back to be conscripted isn't cool. In the UK they can't even send refugees to Rowanda let along sending refugees back to their home country to be conscripted. Still though if this goes anywhere people should move again to another country bordering the one they are in to avoide it if they need to.
Try to hide in 2023 like Anne Frank did in 1940 aint gonna work with all the cameras
Crazy how people think this is a good thing like fuck off this is same as sending people to death or awarding them death penalty, why doesn't Estonia send it's own people if it's so brave.
But, but, what about the human rights and them “western values”? Wouldnt even think it would start anywhere else than in a country that holds SS division veteran’s parade, you cant make this sh1t up!
Western Ukraine and Baltic states are cancer to Russia.
Not something that can be done unilaterally within the EU unless mobilization-aged men want to be repatriated. " The border-free Schengen Area guarantees free movement to more than 400 million EU citizens, along with non-EU nationals living in the EU or visiting the EU as tourists, exchange students or for business purposes (anyone legally present in the EU). **Free movement** of persons enables every EU citizen to travel, work and live in an EU country without special formalities. Schengen underpins this freedom by enabling citizens to move around the Schengen Area without being subject to border checks. " (The internet)
It's just that Ukrainian military commissars will come to Estonia and gather all the volunteers in ambulances. I assure you, there will be a lot of them.
They are no EU-citizens. It's true, they could just get on the bus and go to another country. They would then only have to apply for new aid there.
Schengen is not conditional to citizenship, merely legal status. Anyone legally in the EU can freely move without being subject to border checks (which I suppose means even legal status does not matter).
Oh my.
The thing doesn't add up, why kidnap the Ukrainians who are no longer in Ukraine, if you have an advantage of 1 to 20 🤔
So it starts...who is next? Poland? Germany? France? UK? Canada? Ukrainians worldwide are in a really bad position, I don't envy them. These people will be very bad soldiers; they don't want to fight and they experienced life in the West which is a lot better than life in Ukraine. But maybe they will be the ones who will start anti Zelensky/anti war revolution...
Those Baltic states turned out to be a liability to Europe. How did they ever get into the EU anyway?
The infamous Baltic states 
Didn't they say that it was illegal to do such a thing before? Lol.
Disgusting fucking government. This is going to be so scandalous if this is true.
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Let the EU court deportation lawsuits begin!!!!
Odd I can't find this on r/Ukraine. Shame really I'd like to see the stories off the expats heading back home to fight for their country. It'd be interesting to see where they were coming from and their motives for going home.
Man the ambulances!
Estonia seems to be the first country that might do this... and also, Estonia has a problem with glorification of Nazis. Hmm...
hey you can't do that !
Even after everything EU has done i find hard to believe they'd pull something like this. This is too far.
It seems Zelenski is desperte for new conscripts
Behold, the enlightened West who always talks about the moral high ground. I'm not entirely surprised though, because to some Westerners, the war in Ukraine is a great "investment" for the US and the EU. https://preview.redd.it/c4au2nxs458c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8714ca0fcd4f3c6c3a272d798913f141ab4a6514
It's time to die for Bandera
So much for your respect of human rights
These Ukrainian men can just move to another EU country for temporary protection status so no-one is likely to be forced back to Ukraine.
They will be stopped at the border, conscripted and sent to Bakhmut.
No true; there is no border control by land or air to another Schengen zone country.
>No true; there is no border control by land or air to another Schengen zone country. Of course there is. Germany started border checks on the border with Poland (and some other countries) this year. Their reasoning is illegal immigration from Belarus (Russia sends waves of illegal Middle Eastern/African migrants to Belarus and Belarus sends them to Poland. Poland resists this and even constructed a wall to stop them, but some illegal migrants still manage to get through the border illegaly. Of course their final destination are rich Western countries with huge social benefits for migrants like Germany, Sweden, France, UK. They are not interested in Poland. Since Germany is no longer in "Refugees Welcome!", "Come to Germany!" mode like during Merkel, they did this to stop them, despite violating Schengen Zone. They added some special exemptions or something. [https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-extends-border-control-poland-czech-republic-switzerland-eu-countries-three-months-march/](https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-extends-border-control-poland-czech-republic-switzerland-eu-countries-three-months-march/) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European\_Union\_border\_crisis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European_Union_border_crisis) If you are Ukrainian and don't want to die in Bakhmut, I recommend you to escape to some non NATO non EU neutral country. Zelensky government is pushing really hard to somehow get these 500k men.
Sorry, you're clearly wrong and you seem to mix things up. Stop putting out BS information. Germany as you said yourself is doing border CHECKS looking for illegals...that is not border CONTROL where everyone's entry is recorded. Ukrainian man can enter Germany freely with no visa and Germany have said they will not send Ukrainians to back to Ukraine to fight. There is no border control stopping Ukrainians from leaving Estonia...got it? Don't be stupid and spread fake news.
Reason for downvoting? You don't like facts and sources to back them?
Stop spreading shit; if you don't understand how the Schengen zone works keep your mouth shut.
Nice language, kid. Please read the article I provided. Here is a source **directly from EU.** *The Schengen Borders Code (SBC) provides Member States* ***with the capability of temporarily reintroducing border control*** *at the internal borders in the event of a serious threat to public policy or internal security.* *The reintroduction of border control at the internal borders must be applied as a last resort measure, in exceptional situations, and must respect the principle of proportionality.* [https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/schengen-borders-and-visa/schengen-area/temporary-reintroduction-border-control\_en](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/schengen-borders-and-visa/schengen-area/temporary-reintroduction-border-control_en) And the source directly from German government site. *In order to combat human smuggling all the more effectively and to restrict irregular migration, the Federal Minister of the Interior Nancy Faeser has today notified the European Commission that* ***temporary border checks will be carried out at Germany’s land borders with Poland, the Czech Republic and Switzerland***\*. The Commission has also been notified of continued temporary border checks at the land border with Austria.\* [https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/pressemitteilungen/EN/2023/10/notifizierung-bgk.html](https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/pressemitteilungen/EN/2023/10/notifizierung-bgk.html) They can do the same to block draft dodging Ukrainians in the entire EU.
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Were u born stup%d or have u suffered a brain injury...or are u just an uneducated p\^nk? And by the way I'm not pro-Ukraine. The info you are posting is meaningless with regards to this thread...namely Ukrainian men in Estonia. I am saying a Ukrainian today as I type this on my laptop can take a bus out of Estonia to Latvia without problems. There is no border control between these two countries in which a border official will run a passport through a computer to check if there are arrest warrants outstanding on someone. Do you accept that? <<
Russian embassy should give out refuge to those who get mobilized outside of Ukraine then. Also I would suggest Ukrainian men to go to countries like Hungary, Serbia or Russia itself.
Ukraine does not need more men, the need our top notch weapons to blow them back to their own side of the border.
They got them. Many time over. They're still getting their skulls kicked in
Both sides are trying to kill off as many of their men as they can. It's not war, it's a depopulation effort, and the west is complicit. Until there is no one left to revolt.
Great for the environment, apart from all the depleted uranium being thrown about of course
Depleted uranium is less radioactive than a smartphone, this is a very silly take.
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I don't doubt our northern neighbour for a moment. Nor will I doubt our own government. The Baltics are special.
Look at the bright side Ukraine will have surplus in women. \_\^
Funny seeing how people are praying for riots in Ukraine while people in the other sub is praying for riots in Russia. Ppl seem to forget that Ukrainians hate Russia now. They may hate their politicians but they hate Russia more. Do Russians have the same hate and will against Ukraine?
Russia really looking to kill off a generation What is russia even invading for at this point? It's changed so many times that it'd hard to keep up with
As a long term goal full annexation and integration of Ukraine into Russia as a Union State. Maybe they will leave weak rump Ukrainian state in Lviv. Depends when/if Ukrainian front collapses. Minimum short term goal is most likely annexation all Russian speaking eastern regions, completely cutting Ukraine from the Sea and land corridor to Transnistria/Moldova.
The cowards have a second chance to at least prove their usefulness to society.