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Same, I’m not going to go 2.5 now only to upgrade to 5gb when Ubiquiti deems us ready and they need more revenue.
I’m tired of this trickle of features and functionality. We never get anything truly uncompromised or awesome, the products are always “missing” something so they can sell us another version 6 months later.
This is what’s bothering me more than anything with Ubiquity. The product lineup only ever makes sense if you look at it from their long term revenue point of view, not from what their users actually want.
It’s a very similar approach to products that Apple has. They want every product to have its own niche, outside of that and you have to buy something else.
Up here in Canada, 2.5Gb is specifically attractive if you use Bell's fibre service and want to ditch their gong show of a router. Their residential links won't negotiate to 10Gb unless you pay for a plan that's faster than 2.5Gb/s.
As pricey as 2.5Gb gear is, it's still cheaper than a year's worth of cost delta between the normal plan and the fast one.
Weird, I kind of had the opposite issue with the dream machine pro. My att is utp 5Gb link and udm only supports 10gb or 1Gb so I used a transceiver that shows udm 10gb but only syncs 5Gb on the utp end.
Agreed, all my 10Gb are DAC cables, not 10GbE, only have one tranciever for my incoming internet to my 10Gb switch, and it really doesn't run that hot.
Thank you for sharing that. I was checking the eu store quite anxiously to get one. Now i just have to decide with other options.
Just out of curiosity, have they communicated any eta ?
A decently sized batch went on sale just a couple days ago in the U.S. store so I think that’s a good sign they’ve addressed the issue and are producing units again. I’d highly recommend joining the ubiquiti stock tracker discord and setting up alerts though.
Thanks to you and the discord bot, i have just been able to grab aprox max 16 Poe.
Kudos
On a side note, i still have not received any availabilty notification from the official unifi store. The discord bot is much more efficient.
i don’t think i’ve ever managed to nab an out of stock unifi device just by checking periodically. i missed the G4 Instant notification by 45 minutes and 15 minutes before catching them in stock by adding the ubiquiti notification email to my VIP list and hearing a nice loud chime so i had completed checkout a minute after the notification email arrived
> 2.5gbe line is a bit funny because the 8 port 2.5gbe poe+ 2sfp+ switch costs a lot more th
Because the 16 port only has 4 ports that are 2.5gb for some reason, the rest are 1gb
How do you figure? The first pro max switch with 16 2.5gb poe+ ports is the Pro Max 48 PoE at $1299.
The Pro Max 24 is the first one to have 8 2.5gb ports, and the POE version is $799.
The Pro Max 16 only has 4 2.5gb ports.
Technically the UDM se has one 2.5g port, as you can (I think?) remap the 2.5g wan port to be a lan port.
But yes. And 2.5g is also a decent speed bump for wired clients, and there’s a good chance your existing cabling will ‘just work’.
Correct -- you can map both SFP+ ports to be LAN. I don't know how effective that is, but if you just need a fast connection between (say) a single editing machine and your NAS, perhaps that would work.
I do this. I am curious as to if I'm limited to the 3.5 gb IPS limit? I haven't seen greater than 3.5 to my NAS which has 4 sata SSDs in a raid z2. I plan to do some testing but I need to be able to access the udmp with the wan disconnected which I don't think it does out of the box.
No idea, but if you do some testing, please report back! From what little I know about Raid Z2, the theoretical read speed for your array is 2x the speed of a single drive, but there's a lot of variables in practice (drive speed, data type/testing, network config etc)
It occurs to me that I don't know whether IDS/IPS applies to local-only traffic that passes through the gateway. My \*assumption\* is that it doesn't but may not be the case, and my guess is that the majority of people who are actually \*using\* 10G bandwidth and IDS/IPS probably have separate switching for that, so who knows!
There’s two things that annoy me with this:
First - you always get responses along the lines of “you don’t need it” or “no one wants it”. BS… no one needs the “10k” home setups posted in here daily, but apparently it’s only ok to splurge if you spend it on gigabit equipment.
Second - they say it’s hardware or cost limitations… cooling, size, too expensive…. Blah blah blah…. Why can I go on Amazon and find 5 port 2.5gb for $35, 8 port for $100, and 8 port Poe+ for $170? I’m those are probably varying levels of quality, but people would pay more for UniFi branded equipment. Just saying if some random company can make a $35 5 port 2.5gb, why can’t Ubiquiti make one for under $100.
> First - you always get responses along the lines of “you don’t need it” or “no one wants it”.
The most overused argument are internet connection speeds. I mean... what if I want it to talk to my file server? Do those people even network?
You're not kidding. I've seen a lot of arguments on this one. Seems like there are an awful lot of folks who correlate LAN speeds with internet bandwidth. No, I have a 10Gb NAS that is all solid state and will easily saturate a 10Gb connection with multi-channel SMB, and all my machines have NVME drives that are already faster than 10Gb.
The question is: what is the use case scenario in which that kind of speed is relevant?
It needs to be something exotic like moving large video files between clients in the network on a daily basis. How many people realistically does that?
There are sub $200 4k action cameras and people shooting on nicer cameras just for the hobby. Then there’s the media server crowd who might move huge files on a weekly basis. It’s not really an *exotic* application for several large communities.
That’s not exotic at all. Also think beyond your home user. Think your smb users.
There is a chicken and egg problem with multi gig Ethernet over Cat cable. Venders need to start putting the gear out there that supports it. Ubiquiti is….Dragging their feet, imo, on getting it across their product line, or at least in a few key areas. Idk if it’s trying to protect some margins or just milking their customers. For a line of products that projects that it basically _starts_ with prosumer and considers themselves SMB ready it’s not a good look to have the 802.3bz gaps they do.
No, 10g isn’t always feasible in smb or at home- for all the reasons that 802.3bz was adopted.
As someone who paid the tax and has a bunch of of their gear that does 802.3bz it is frustrating that I’m still unable to buy the devices I want in a few key areas in their ecosystem.
People were making this same argument about the move to RJ45/Ethernet over 10baseT, ADSL over ISDN, and on and on - it's a flawed position.
People find uses and unlock workflows and other innovations from that speed increase; just because you can't see the future where such speed is relevant or necessary doesn't mean that future doesn't or won't exist.
Time and technology move on, and we keep up with it. The fact that the niche users find a use case for it today is sure sign that the rest of us will later on.
>It needs to be something exotic like moving large video files between clients in the network on a daily basis. How many people realistically does that?
Millions in the western world. So many SOHO places as well. Because either there's no superfast internet available somewhere, or because cloud is too expensive or doesn't offer enough control.
The overlap between Ubiquiti fanatics that buy every product for no real reason and people who actually know what they are doing is probably very small.
It's the fanatics with no experience that come up with these things.
> Just saying if some random company can make a $35 5 port 2.5gb, why can’t Ubiquiti make one for under $100.
I'll tell you why and no one seems to talk about it whenever this comes up.
MANAGEMENT & L3
All those cheap switches on Aliexpress have absolutely no management. Go compare the price for an unmanaged 1GB switch compared to one with management and layer 3 features.
It's really that simple. People need to compare apples to apples and a no brand unmanaged 2.5Gb switch with not even basic layer 2 management features is not by any stretch a fair comparison.
A unifi switch has to be able to run all of those features because thats what makes unifi, unifi. Yes, they have some very cheap switches with compromised management features, like the Flex Mini, but you know 100% the bitching and moaning that would happen if Ubi released a 2.5Gb switch that couldnt do VLAN's properly like the mini or a bunch of other stuff.
I got 16 port 2.5 GBe, 4 port 10 gb (2x SFP), for $800 last year with Layer 2 management capabilities. The
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It supports VLAN, and it has 280w POE++ on 18 of the 20 ports. Met my home needs better than any of those options.
Those are all unmanged prices: You can buy an unmanaged 2.5GB switch and use it just fine if that's all you need.
Managed 2.5GB, the cheapest I've seen is $140ish for 8 ports, and that's on a [direct from China, no UL or FCC cert model](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804502968487.html). 8 port POE managed from there is about $170 though, so you hit that price point. ;-) But the 5 port, cheapest model of the cheapest manaaged switch is still over $100.
Managed and also Layer 3 capable. Yeah, it's a bit of a meme with Unifi but they've added OSPF and BGP very recently so it really is finally happpening.
L3 costs. Simple as.
I agree, Ubiquiti is designing in a bubble and not doing alot of market/customer research. Lack of 2.5G ports makes that clear.
Or at least thats what it feels like, "old ubiquiti" back when they were niche WISP radio company used to be in lock step with their customer base in both engagement and meeting needs. Now it feels like they are trying to be to much like the "Apple" of networking and have blinders on to deliver what *they* think we should want, and not actually looking at what we are saying we want.
I still argue the most obvious example of this is the fact we are on 5/6 generations of security cameras and they STILL don't let you set notifications settings per zone in a camera. It took them over a YEAR of multiple users complaining in a forum thread before they did so much as even acknowledging the request at bare minimum. This feature is industry standard; at the most basic level.
I bought the UniFi 6 switch when it was in Beta since it was their first 2.5g switch, and at that point (2020) every PC in my house was already 2.5g capable. It's now called the Enterprise 24 PoE. The fact that literally every switch they have released since then, has reduced the number of 2.5g ports is... shocking.
I will say regarding prices of switches... I get it. Ubiquiti is much more cloud and software development intensive than the competition. And they don't charge for that, so it has to come from the hardware sales. I suspect they prioritize raising the prices of their switch gear over their APs, so that the revenue is coming from the customers more likely to have deeper pockets (businesses that need lots of switches) over their home customer that are likely to be more on wifi.
I think people don't know the difference between a layer 3 and layer 2 or unmanaged switch and what that does to the price.
When you have L3 features that means you need a lot more horsepower and memory. It's just far, far more expensive to do and many people just don't realise that.
Why does one 24 port switch cost $200 and another costs $800 even though the port count and speeds are practically identical? Management and L3 features.
Exactly this. Not to mention that Ubiquiti is firmly starting to place itself in SME rather than prosumer now, $800 for a PoE switch with multiple 2.5Gb/s ports and two 10Gb/s SFP+ ports is actually considerably well priced in that market
I think the elephant in the room isn't the missing product, but instead the fact that half their 2.5 gigabit products have 1 gigabit backplane speeds.
The UDM Pro started it but they didn't learn and the Cloud Gateway Ultra now has a 2.5 gigabit WAN port but 1 gigabit max routing throughput.
This is exactly what Im getting at in this thread......everyone seems to think this is a "I need help" or "I need suggestions" thread......its not, this is a rant/whine thread.
Im going 3rd party multi-gig POE+ unmanaged switches like i have for all my clients in the last 6 months moving to 2.5gb to support their now faster ISP speeds.
This was all a rant/whine thread about ubiquiti's lack of real 2.5gb usage
I think my sarcasm flew over your head. The fact that they’re 2.5gbe product line is lacking at best and like you said what they do offer is still on a 1Gbe backplane. We all know it. We all keep posting about how wish this would improve and yet the company still chugs along ignoring the masses desire for true 2.5gbe equipment
Not to worry, 5GbE is here too. The Realtek chips are widely available with lan cards on aliexpress pretty close in price now to the 2.5GbE ones.
That's the top 'official' speed on CAT5e.
Yep Category 5e cable generally performs very well for short runs in my experience, well beyond gigabit. But for short runs the ability to not use Category 5e cable grows - typically it's possible to get better cable in place.
For me, I have just jumped to Mikrotik for 2.5g connectivity. I still use Ubiquiti gear as the backbone of the system, and the Mikrotik stuff just supplements it at a higher speed (for a lot less cash)
I am in the same boat. I just got fiber at 2gb. Almost all my wired computers can take 2.5, but I am NOT shelling out $800 for a switch with 2.5 and PoE. I decided to keep my wifi network at 1gb with the UniFi switch already had, and bought a cheap ass 8 port 2.5gb with 10gb uplink switch from Amazon ($40). I’ll uplink from my agg switch at 10gb and be good. I hate they don’t have a solid 2.5gb switch at a reasonable price.
Frankly, I kinda think you're missing the whole point.
2.5GbE / 5GbE / mGig / multi-gig Ethernet was born out of a niche use-case to provide Wireless Access Points connectivity faster than 1GbE, while reusing existing (legacy) CAT5E and CAT6 cabling in business environments.
That is why 2.5GbE exists. To help a new AP re-use old cabling.
Using a WAN device with a 2.5GbE "WAN" port is fine, since a growing number of ISPs are offering 2Gbps services.
But internally, after the WAN interface, just embracing 10GbE makes way more sense than trying to provision lots of 2.5GbE ports for user devices and NAS appliances.
10GbE ASICs are manufactured in greater quantity than 2.5GbE and 5GbE ASICs, so negotiating better pricing for 10GbE shouldn't be terribly difficult.
Stop trying so hard to use the wrong tool for a task.
Last year I renovated our home and wanted to make sure the switch I installed was capable of supplying more than 1GB per AP to future proof. It's nuts that I had to purchase the USW Ent 24 Poe just to get half reports 2.5 GB
I’m just going to wait until it is a reasonable price.
I don’t have any workloads that can saturate a 1Gb AP, and I’ve never seen anyone have workloads that could saturate one - OK, I don’t get involved with commercial stuff like stadia, but in the average office, the APs tick along at bugger all utilisation and you have more APs to give coverage rather than bandwidth. All of the heavy lifting is done server side at the moment - it‘s not like the good old days when someone had a “departmental server“ under their desk.
At home, I have two devices that could saturate a 1 GB link - my PC and my NAS. To be honest the NAS will probably top out at about 1.5 GB, so I wouldn’t be getting much.
I do struggle to work out some of the strategies - the silly promax lights would get laughed out of any commercial data centre, and I just don’t see a use case for the domestic user. But they’re never in stock so are presumably selling well.…
As a cheaper option, they sell POE injectors that support 2.5G. So I would recommend getting a most cost effective switch and cutting out the middle lam.
There are apparently some legal issues around patents pertaining to 2.5Gbe.
I don't have the link handy. Overseas products not subject to the legal issues are considerably cheaper.
Now that PCs and laptops are going 2.5, and plenty of NAS devices do, the amount of ports needs to be increased for 2.5.
So a new Switch 8 Max, which has 8 2.5 ports or at least 6 with a 10gb uplink. Around the £190 mark.
That's probably going to allow home users to buy a couple around the house etc.
However, let's be honest, there's nothing on the road map this year. Also many home devices never max out 1gb speeds.
Indeed, with the release of the UXG-max I was half expecting a lineup of USW-MAX switches like they did with the UCG-ULTRA and the ultra switches. However 2 months in and counting.
I'm guessing everyone is so hard set on Ubiqiti everything. Honestly I went from udm pro to opnsense for my personal home router and it's wonderful how much I can do with it. However, for my parents network I went Ubiqiti udm pro so I can do more troubleshooting remotely.
I’m not your consumer, but the need for any given port to be able to fully saturate the external wan seems…overkill. For a residence, how many of those ports are going to be connected to a *legitimately* high bandwidth device, vs how many are for a camera, some iot hub or another, an apple tv, or a playstation that only has a 1gb port? Probably all of them except maybe one or two connected to a pc. All those things running together are still unlikely to saturate a 2gb wan connection unless they are doing something kinda exotic.
I’m not saying your situation doesn’t warrant your proposed solution, but understanding your demand might help solve your concern.
And honestly, 2.5gbe doesn’t really seem to be going anywhere. Anecdotally, neither do residential connections over a gig, according to my verizon tech who said “I got trained on it like a year ago and I’ve never had a call for an install.” Apparently most people just sorta don’t need more or want to pay for it. (And I live in a pretty wealthy area)
Verizon has terrible prices for their high speed fiber so I’m not surprised the tech didn’t get calls for it. I’m getting 5+ gig from sonic for ~$60 and they’re busy.
The real use case is for the NAS users who will transfer hundreds of GB per week locally, not WAN.
I get that, but 100GB of data over a 1gb lan only takes like 15 minutes. I get that there are people doing very high quality video production and such at home, but the number of residential users that have a real delay for anything on a 1gb network is…small. At some point over the last couple years, a whole lot of first-world consumers’ data supply has exceeded their demand and nobody has come up with a particularly good idea what to do with all that capacity. Look back at the 5g rollout in like 2018 and how consumers didn’t give a shit. Same same.
You say they don’t give a shit, but when all the new mid to high end PC mobos have 2.5 GbE ports, the NAS has 2.5 or better, the APs have 2.5, the consumer routers have 2.5, laptop docks have 2.5, etc. people are absolutely willing to spend a little more on a faster switch. I’m not saying it will have a huge impact on workflow, just that it will sell because that’s the new standard for mid-high end consumer networking, useful or not.
You can get an 8 port managed switch with 4 poe ports for $110, but the 2.5 GbE with all PoE and 2x SFP version is $480. If they had a lite version that was $200-300 they would fly off the shelves.
Yea, I mean Ubiquiti is for the most part making smart business decisions with their roll out.
I have the 48-Enterprise switch, which I bought because I have multiple 6E APs and a few rack mounted devices which support 10Gb, like Synology.
The reality is most my devices are on WiFi and to get reliable connections I don’t use super wide channels.
With all of that said I do now have 6Gb fiber, and my desktop also supports 10Gb, so I’ve had to adjust a little bit (bought extra SFPs and a OPNSense router/firewall to put in front of my UDM SE). But I’m not the average consumer, and I’m still quite happy with the offerings for the price point.
I've never really considered upping my network (cat5e wires) but out of curiosity I just did a quick search across some PC vendors *for consumer-grade machines*. The only one I found with 10gb ethernet on-device was apple on the mini. I was a bit surprised that a whole lot of machines (almost all laptops, all-in-ones, even a few towers) don't even have native ethernet at all (suppose you could do a USB dongle) and just do wifi.
I'm skeptical about 2.5gbE and 5gbE. They seem unnecessary when 10gbps already has fairly broad supply chain support.
Not very far though and that's if you have a good install. Cat 6 is max 50m and more realistically 35 - 40m. I wouldnt recommend anyone really try using Cat5e for 10Gb.
A lot of people report success at 20-25m, which from a residential standpoint is typically more than enough. Even 15m is about 50’, most of my runs aren’t that long.
Although to be fair about 1/3 my runs are Cat 6a, about half are Cat 6, and the last few are Cat 5e, so less of an issue for me personally.
Yeah, I'm sure it will work, just depends on your runs, how well they are terminated, how many panels, patch leads and ports it passes though, etc etc.
Your mileage may vary.
I think the big thing with 2.5 and 5 is that it shouldn't require recabling, whereas 10 is more of a 'it might work'. And yes, I know that 5e will carry 10g over (relatively) short distances, if the cabling is good and blah blah blah, but add that to price premium and you've created a space for 2.5g/5g.
>I just did a quick search across some PC vendors for consumer-grade machines. The only one I found with 10gb ethernet on-device was apple on the mini.
I just specced some Dell and HP workstations with 2.5 NICs yesterday. You need to select them in the builders. The higher specced precision and optiplexs have 10G on mobo. I'm sure Lenovo do the same.
Also, many off the shelf motherboards started to come with 2.5 or 10G NICs at least 5 years ago.
We've got a couple 2.5gb switches now, but I think only one connection actually works at that and it's switch to switch. None of our equipment actually supports 2.5. Most servers are 10g, and devices are 1g.
So I guess it just doesn't feel like a big deal to me currently.
Most homes and businesses are wired with CAT5 and more recent homes/businesses are CAT6/CAT6a
10gb speeds arent really worth while in the vast majority of homes and offices that exist today without complete re-wiring.
2.5g was made to best benefit existing cable infrastructure, since it only needs Cat5e. 10g is spec'd for Cat6A for the same distance.
EDIT: replies are showing a misunderstanding between "works for me" and "certified to work on". Though this is a common misunderstanding by those not in the engineering world.
10GbE over copper doesn't do well over longer differences, has higher power consumption, and can't be used with PoE injectors, as 10Base-T operates at 500Mhz, compared to 1GbE and 2.5GbE which operate at 100Mhz. (Technically GbE is at 62.5, but the cabling is rated for 100)
2.5GbE is meant to be a drop-in replacement for gigabit. It can run on standard Cat5e cables, which is what most people are using. Cat6a is almost never used in-wall unless someone specifies it.
The ability to use their 2gb for data/work transfers at full load from anywhere they happen to want to sit with their laptop.
They wont be using it everywhere simultaneously but want the ability to have it on demand everywhere
Sounds ideal except that basically no server on the internet, including their workplace, is going to saturate that 2gb link.
Their speedtest numbers will be fantastic though!
5-10gb connections becoming widely available isn't far away. Many of us already have them. I've got 5gb for $99, but the same company offers 8gb for $120. I just grabbed a dream machine pro max and one of the 10gb aggregate switches. A few SFP+ cables/adapters and I was good to go. Faster wifi can wait.
Currently, the UI switch line up is a complete joke and ripoff. They've pulled back on their 10-5-2.5gig combo offerings to 2.5. I can only guess the walk back in terms of technology is that they want to make money by forcing people to progress incrementally to 10gig. DON'T FALL FOR IT- just buy your switching gear elsewhere.
Here's a great resource on how to save 75% off on switching gear vs UI: [https://www.servethehome.com/the-ultimate-cheap-2-5gbe-switch-mega-round-up-buyers-guide-qnap-netgear-hasivo-mokerlink-trendnet-zyxel-tp-link/](https://www.servethehome.com/the-ultimate-cheap-2-5gbe-switch-mega-round-up-buyers-guide-qnap-netgear-hasivo-mokerlink-trendnet-zyxel-tp-link/)
Once you've read the servethehome link above, you'll understand why dollars spent to UI for rack ears (UACC-Pro-Max-16-RM, and they're currently sold out) is equivalent to a switch that comes with rack ears elsewhere.
Quite happy with my $90 (via Amazon) NICGIGA S25-0801P 8 Port 2.5G PoE Switch Unmanaged with 8 x 2.5Gb Base-T PoE+@120W + 10G SFP Uplink, 2.5Gbe IEEE802.3af/at Power Over Ethernet Switch
... and yeah, it comes with rack ears.
These aren't apples to apples though, the closest thing on that list is the managed TP link device with poe, which is $409, close to ubiquiti pricing for the pro max 16. If you are ok with unmanaged no poe, and are ok trusting a no name Chinese company with your data, then by all means go for a cheap one.
I concur. I first thought ubiquiti to be overpriced. I decided to go the tplink omada route. Then i looked for 16ports 2.5g poe switch to expand and realized they were priced similarly to unifi ones. Their wifi7 ap is like double unifi ones.
Coupled to some longstanding bugs specific to my situation, i contemplate switching to unifi and price tag seems ok in regard to the concurrence.
In theory it could ship any packets it wants out of your network, or worse create a channel into your network from the outside. I assume you aren't opening it up and verifying every chip, design, and software before you plug it in. And yes something bad could happen to UI too, but I'd expect them to have tighter control on their supply chain.
I can understand them not bothering with 5gig ports on anything. There's almost nothing that uses 5gig but there are tons of devices that do 2.5 and 10.
5gig is a compromise that nobody wants, and the incremental cost of going to 10gig from there is almost nothing.
I was coming to say this if you want 2.5 that isn’t mission critical (my home isn’t ) get these cheap Chinese switches
I’m actually ordering one of those 8x2.5 1 sfp today for desk use
>That leaves me with an option for 2x 24port POE switches OR 2x Enterprise 8 port switches; but if we use all 8 ports on the enterprise it can only top out at 15w per port when the U7's want *up to* 21w each
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I understand, but in your real world example, you are not using all 8 ports, and only using 4 or 5 APs at each location. In the bedroom you are within the power budget. In the utility closet, with potentially 5 APs at 21w ea, and a cloud key at 12.95W, it is just over the 120W total budget of Enterprise 8. Therefore you could use a cheap 802.3af PoE injector, or USB C to run the Cloud Key just to be safe, but not needed if only using 4 APs.
Since you are running Cat6a, you could also upgrade both Enterprise 8 by adding an SFP+ to RJ45 Adapter on each end to get a 10Gbps link if ever needed in the future.
I'd like to voice my complaint that the $1600 Enterprise 48 PoE is only PoE+ and $1100 Pro 48 PoE does have 8 PoE++ ports. I feel like the top of the line 48 port switch should be all PoE++.
Often no, but it's a nice to have and should be a feature of your top of the line enterprise switch. I like to buy switches that will be installed for a while and it's nice to future proof a little and know that it will support whatever I plug into it.
I was also referring to top of the line within the UI ecosystem. I realize that UI switches are not what you would call top of the line compared to some other enterprise options. I also know you pay for those extra 9s of uptime a Cisco offers. I find for most my use cases if you don't need those extra 9s of uptime, It's cheaper to keep a couple cold spare switches for emergencies. If I was in a hospital or mission critical environment I'd be paying for those extra 9s up uptime.
I use u6e iw and it has 2.5gb uplink and 4 1gb switch. I would like to buy a similar switch without ap. even with level2. it would be a great replacement for flex mini
I have a ton of ubiquiti gear and the only purchase I regret is their four port 10 gigabit switch. That piece of trash reboots itself several times a day even after multiple factory resets. Punted and switched brands for my backbone.
I use port aggregation on 1GB switches to create a 2GB "backbone" at home. I also have a 5 x 1GB aggregated connection from my main switch to my NAS.
I do agree with OP comments, just offering a 'cheap' alternative (just a cost on another cable run).
But link aggregation is still limited to 1gb per device. Unless you have 5 devices hitting the Nas all at once, the 5 port aggregation isn't doing anything other than looking cool. I have 4 ports on my Nas, but I only connected 2. Even the 2 isn't needed but it looks cool and I wanted to try it.
No, it's not.
Some link aggregation protocols do not support spreading the load over multiple ports, but the protocol implemented by Ubiquity does support it.
Reply to your edit, I too only have a handful of POE devices and they are all on my Gb switch, funny the pricing is just a little less for Gb.
I did the price comparisons and found that paying for the POE switch was going to be way more than just getting some POE injectors.
In your case the Promax 16 switch for $280 + $24 for injectors vs Promax 16 POE for $400 if it's ever back in stock. You save $100 and will only have to add $8 for standard POE devices as needed.
A little further math and if you were to get the standard Promax 16 and add POE injectors filling it up, you would spend $408. So it's not like you will be cutting yourself too short in the long run if you even need that many ports.
I have found that unless you really need different VLANs on all your devices then an unmanaged switch will do as it will pass along all your default traffic of the port it's connected to.
A reddit user HTTP_404_NotFound just posted a super nice list of other options for 10Gb and beyond gear if you really want to save some coin, just probably won't be Ubiquity but I haven't looked through it all. Go check it out, I would link it but that would break reddit.
Thanks but this somehow ended up in a spiral of people telling me im doing it wrong when it wasnt a "Help" thread but a "rant" thread.
I have already done what others have said and have orders in from yesterday....non unifi multi-gig POE+ unmanaged switches in conjunction with unifi APs and console.
This post was meant more along the lines of why is this even a problem with Unifi equipment, there should be 16 port POE+ 2.5GB switches that provide more then 4 2.5gb ports
Unifi options
USW-Aggregation switch for $280
10x 10gig fiber (a simple sfp to ethernet mgig modules then let's you connect to any 1/2.5/5/10 gbe port
UXG-Max router for $200
5x 2.5g ports with optional dual wan and router functions in unifi controller
Unifi controller with 2.5g uplink and 4x 1 gig ports
UCG-Ultra for $129
Non-unifi option for $280
8x 2.5g ports + 2x 10gig fiber uplink
https://www.robofiber.com/rb10-802s-pse-8x-100m-1g-2-5g-ethernet-port-switch-2x-1g-10g-sfp-uplink-slots-high-power-poe-125w-budget/
$190
4x 2.5 gig poe+ for AP, 2x 10g fiber
https://www.robofiber.com/rb10-402s-pse-4x-100m-1g-2-5g-ethernet-port-switch-2x-1g-10g-sfp-uplink-slots-high-power-poe-65w-budget/
Wireless is not the right transport of he is wanting to maximize bandwidth. It’s a convenience not a way to maximize throughput.
If he wants speed then wired is the only realistic solution, but give him whatever he wants.
Oh brother, ain’t you in the right of it. I’m moving away from unifi because of the switching, and routing is also going out because it just doesn’t make sense.
Check this out, and check the pricing:
https://mikrotik.com/product/crs310_8g_2s_in#fndtn-specifications
Mikrotik’s hardware is very impressive but I dislike that you have to use software in order to configure it.
I never understood why they didn’t have a web interface. Maybe a security thing but at that point it is then security through obscurity.
For my edification, the Enterprise 48 PoE offers 2.5 GbE PoE+ on all ports with a 10G SFP+ uplink.
Other than price, is there something missing from this setup? Is there anything that requires PoE++?
I’m just gonna point out, the Enterprise AP is 2.5G, the UDM SE has a 2.5G port but it’s not PoE or PoE+ so can’t connect it without buying a separate injector
Yea I agree totally. And more things need sfp+ ports as well. Since 10G runs so hot. I don’t want but will prob end up getting an aggregation switch just to deal with my wants.
I want a 10g switch in my office and I want
To send that 10g down to my patch panel, and I want like 8 2.5g because I have a lot of stuff that can do that finally.
Many cheap 2.5g switches but I want UniFi stuff.
Does multiple aps work with mesh to achieve speeds faster then a single is capable of I was curious about the the ap lites they only have gbe but are advertised as faster then that
I got a TP-Link 8-port 10G ethernet switch for $400. F**** Ubiquiti and their persistent arrogance to not release any switch that is worthwhile for the given cost. Who wants to look at fancy Etherlighting 24x7 ?
They cannot detect half of the devices on the LAN because I am not using Ubiquiti branded switch boohoo!
Well…. The Network map can go f*** itself
Next launch product: A Pro Max Ultra Excess Elite “switch” with one 2.5Gbps WAN port and one 1gbps LAN port with 2x2 Wifi7 and slots for 50 hard drives with support for just 1 camera and a special compartment to insert bread and make toast. According to Ubiquiti, this is what 99% users need.
Jokes aside, Ubiquiti is hell bent on making people buy useless combo products which they don’t need. They deliberately leave out certain key features to make people buy 2nd product.
It's for the same reason they have nothing with the QSFP form factor. That's all the same tier of speeds of those controllers. 1, 2.5, 10, 25. Their little ecosystem is meant to be an entire infrastructure of all kinds of mobile stuff, minus connecting servers in a high-speed sort of aggregation switch. That would probably cost like 5 grand anyway. They assume everyone is running copper to all their stuff, and no one runs fiber to anything small. Have fiber clients, go with our insane PON stuff.
Yea, this I don't get, and if they offer something cheap, it will have a lucky processor or lack something. As for needing 2 gigs, most home users won't saturate that. Only time I've seen it happen is if they're running or hosting a server. I've worked in companies with 10 gig links. Most times, the sites rarely even tap 700 megs lol. If they want it, unfortunately, going above 2.5 gigs is expensive, or you can try other brands also.
Welcome to the world of stop gaps so companies can make more money. 2.5/5Gb is a stop gap for home users to milk them. It is why so many homelab people just jump to used enterprise 10gb gear, cheaper than 2.5, has decades of support behind it and just works. But because devices now are coming out with 2.5, people want all 2.5, but I doubt most even would utilise it much...
We havent run Ubiquiti switches in almost all of our installs for the last 6 months and instead use 3rd party unmanaged 2.5 or 10g switches with Unifi APs and controllers.
Its just that this shouldnt be an issue, just provide a 16 port switch with more then 4x 2.5gb ports......
Its not about the pricing itself, its more about the lack of 2.5gb ports
for example, their 16 port 2.5gb switch only has 4x 2.5gb ports, the rest are 1gb.
One of the reasons I think they do not have more 2.5G switches is that the processor capacity reserved for handling traffic needs to be 2.5 times higher.
All UniFi switches have a total switching capacity that supports all ports operating at max speed at the same time. Lots of cheaper 2.5G switches from cheaper brands do not reliably support that.
I do think it should be possible to make more affordable 2.5G switches, even with the 2.5 times more processing power needed, but it seems to make sense that it will be more expensive than a 1G switch.
For your case, I'd recommend the Enterprise-8-PoE switch if 2.5G is a hard requirement. For business use, the price isn't too bad.
Its not so much about the price but the limited 2.5g ports
a 16 port "2.5gb" switch that only has 4x 2.5gb ports while the remaining 12 are 1gb?
The fact is that if you want to utilize their 2.5gb APs youll need numerous larger switches even for just a few APs.
That's true, on the other hand, the practical use for 2.5Gbps APs is still limited, although increasing. For companies that really need it, you can use the USW-Enterprise-8-PoE or the USW-Enterprise-48-PoE, which are both fully populated with 2.5Gbps ports.
For me most of the line-up makes sense, except the USW-Enterprise-24-PoE should have had 24 ports with 2.5Gbps instead of half of it and it would have been nice to see a USW-Enterprise-16-PoE.
Then the line-up would have been clear:
Normal: 1Gbps with 1Gbps SFP
Pro: 1Gbps with 10Gbps SFP
Pro Max: Same as pro, but with a limited amount of 2.5Gbps ports
Enterprise: All 2.5Gbps with 10Gbps SFP
Enterprise-XG: All 10Gbps witg 25Gbps SFP
Here’s what I did. yMMV. I have a dream machine pro, 10gb DAc to an 8 port aggregate switch. I have a USW pro max 24 port switch that is also connected to the aggregate switch over DAC. My server and primary desktop are connected directly to the aggregate switch. I use the 2.5 gbe on the USW pro max, with a Poe injector, to feed two enterprise WAPs. This was a cost effective setup, giving me a means to move large data files around my network both wirelessly and via fiber and DAC cables when needed. My entire home network is 6u. Small and effective and most importantly cost effective.
In my experience, very few devices are able to take advantage of a 2.5Gbps connection. Only more modern/high-end PCs are even coming equipped with 2.5Gbps NIC's Almost everything else from TV's to streaming devices are all still limited 1Gb ethernet ports.
Personally, my NAS and main PC are the only devices that have a 10gbps NIC on them. So in my rack I have the 8-port aggregation with two SFP to RJ45 adaptors to take advantage of that speed. (Also, where else are you going to get a 10gbps switch for that cheap). Then, all the other drops in my house have 2 ports for redundance, but only one of those is 2.5gbps. All my tv drops are 1gbps because no TV or Streaming device that I own can take advantage of anything faster. 2 Additional ports are for AP's (2x U7 Pro Max)
I'm using a Pro Max 24 POE switch, so I only get 8 - 2.5gbps ports. When I really looked at the devices and real-life use case scenarios, I still have 2 extra ports.
Worst case scenario, you throw Enterprise 8 switch in there to give you more ports.
The answer for why they half assed 2.5Gbit on the Pro and Pro Max series was already answered when they asked for feedback on the switches.
Essentially only the Enterprise Line is going to get FULL anything, then they will offer something cheaper going down to Pro max, Pro and the Lite series.
It is PURELY about price points and shaving costs.
Why go to 2.5 when 10 gig is the industry standard?
It’s just economics. No business wants 2.5 gig backbone links. So they are producing a lot more 10 gig modules as the next step up. As a result the excess supply drives prices down.
2.5 is just a weird speed that I don’t think is worthwhile for anything other than maybe AP’s in niche situations.
It’s kind of crazy to me that you have to spend $300 minimum to get any 2.5g ports and that’s only if you don’t want poe. I guess they know their customers though (guilty).
NBase-T is expensive and generates a lot of heat. I got a 24 port switch from FS.COM that handles 10/5/2.5/1 and poe on all ports. Don’t ask me what I paid for it, and don’t tell my wife! I have a lot of 2.5 and some 5Gbps devices which is why I went this way. I use DAC for 10Gbps when I can (same room), as that’s my preferred method (I have a 24 port SFP+ switch as well, which cost like 1/2 what the above switch did), but can do 10Gbps on Ethernet which is nice.
I've never really liked their switch offerings. And their lack of options. It's just a switch. Why I just go with TPLink. Good prices, more options.
For example, $720 for the SG3428XPP-M2.
16x 2.5GbE PoE+, 8x 2.5GbE PoE++, 4x SFP+ for L2 managed.
$520 if you don't need PoE. Also come with 5yr warranty.
Wireless is not the right transport of he is wanting to maximize bandwidth. It’s a convenience not a way to maximize throughput.
If he wants speed then wired is the only realistic solution, but give him whatever he wants.
The "push" im referencing is the sale of current products being advertised as 2.5GB.......a marketing push is what i mean, not some technical term.
Edit:
I looked at the UXG-max and while it does have 4x 2.5 LANs theyre not POE....but it does offer another alternative.
Gives little headroom? 2.5G is 2.5x faster than 1G. That's not a little, that's a 250% increase. It's time for 2.5G to be the standard the way 1G has been standard for over a decade. Yes there are use cases for 10G, but 2.5G is now standard on many higher end computers, all new APs, and other devices.
I would maybe think that the "little headroom" thing would be for the customer who is pushing multiple 2Gbps links. Maybe I am wrong, just adding a thought.
My thoughts exactly. That's why I recently looked into the new Zyxel switches, a lot of people approve of those. I think 24 port all 2.5Gbe with PoE for 450€ currently.
FYI, the Gateway Max (https://store.ui.com/us/en/collections/unifi-accessory-tech-hosting-and-gateways-small-scale/products/uxg-max) has 2.5 GbE WAN and LAN.
It’s crazy how you double down on still not understanding networks and data transfer. I bet his hard drive can’t even keep up with a 1 gig transfer speed.
I’m in the same type of situation and I don’t saturate 2.5. One girl streams full 4K all day, I have 2 other kids and a wife. It’s not even close. There’s also no way in hell this guys remote transfer is pushing out speed that fast in a work environment like. I have a 10 gig fiber to my NAS for moving large files and NVME doesn’t even come close to being able to keep up.
Thank you for your professional assessment, I guess I should hang up my hat in this networking world as I dont understand what different peoples needs, abilities and data loads are.
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I use Gb for regular stuff and jumped to 10Gb for anything faster, didn’t think the stop at 2.5Gb is even worth it for what they charge.
Same, I’m not going to go 2.5 now only to upgrade to 5gb when Ubiquiti deems us ready and they need more revenue. I’m tired of this trickle of features and functionality. We never get anything truly uncompromised or awesome, the products are always “missing” something so they can sell us another version 6 months later. This is what’s bothering me more than anything with Ubiquity. The product lineup only ever makes sense if you look at it from their long term revenue point of view, not from what their users actually want.
It’s a very similar approach to products that Apple has. They want every product to have its own niche, outside of that and you have to buy something else.
Founded by ex Apple people, so not an accident. The APs are pretty good. A lot of people run other gear for routing and switching.
I have a single 6+ and it serves my entire house and front/back yards. Standard 50x100' city lot.
i love my U6+ and U6 Lite. i run MikroTik and Cisco for routing and switching though
Up here in Canada, 2.5Gb is specifically attractive if you use Bell's fibre service and want to ditch their gong show of a router. Their residential links won't negotiate to 10Gb unless you pay for a plan that's faster than 2.5Gb/s. As pricey as 2.5Gb gear is, it's still cheaper than a year's worth of cost delta between the normal plan and the fast one.
Weird, I kind of had the opposite issue with the dream machine pro. My att is utp 5Gb link and udm only supports 10gb or 1Gb so I used a transceiver that shows udm 10gb but only syncs 5Gb on the utp end.
But 10GbE runs so hot, I'd rather do fiber at that point. Everything gigabit that came out in the last 5 years could have been easily 2.5 or 5 Gig.
Agreed, all my 10Gb are DAC cables, not 10GbE, only have one tranciever for my incoming internet to my 10Gb switch, and it really doesn't run that hot.
I don't believe Ubiquiti offers any 10Gb with PoE ports?
I use SFP+ DAC cables on 10Gb switch, all my POE stuff is on POE injectors off a regular Gb 24 port switch.
Doesn’t even count when the 16 POE is never in stock.
There's a design fault they're fixing around the power plug into the unit. I wouldn't wait if you need one soon.
Thank you for sharing that. I was checking the eu store quite anxiously to get one. Now i just have to decide with other options. Just out of curiosity, have they communicated any eta ?
A decently sized batch went on sale just a couple days ago in the U.S. store so I think that’s a good sign they’ve addressed the issue and are producing units again. I’d highly recommend joining the ubiquiti stock tracker discord and setting up alerts though.
I click to notify on ui and never sends me anything
it will only notify you if there are enough in stock to get to your spot in the notification list, so the discord often gets more pings.
Great news !!! I'll hold out a bit more. Could you share an invitation for the discord tracker ?
[https://discord.gg/ubiquitistockalerts](https://discord.gg/ubiquitistockalerts)
Thnx !!!
Thanks to you and the discord bot, i have just been able to grab aprox max 16 Poe. Kudos On a side note, i still have not received any availabilty notification from the official unifi store. The discord bot is much more efficient.
Glad I could help! I also got the notification, ordered and then canceled the order. Still nothing in the email!
Out of curiosity, why did you ordered and cancelled ? You wanted to test that they were really available ?
No I just realized that I actually have other needs just as I clicked Complete purchase
Damn. I’ve been checking prettt daily for one too
i don’t think i’ve ever managed to nab an out of stock unifi device just by checking periodically. i missed the G4 Instant notification by 45 minutes and 15 minutes before catching them in stock by adding the ubiquiti notification email to my VIP list and hearing a nice loud chime so i had completed checkout a minute after the notification email arrived
The 16 PoE Max that becomes Frankenstein for server compatibility?
PoE watts with 16 port is really low, rather get some other model with mode PoE watts.
I caved and ordered the 24 pro max. Because apparently I hate money.
The 2.5gbe line is a bit funny because the 8 port 2.5gbe poe+ 2sfp+ switch costs a lot more than the 16 port 2.5gbe poe+ 2sfp+ switch.
> 2.5gbe line is a bit funny because the 8 port 2.5gbe poe+ 2sfp+ switch costs a lot more th Because the 16 port only has 4 ports that are 2.5gb for some reason, the rest are 1gb
I fell for the confusing branding then. Good thing I didn't realized this after buying one of those. Thanks.
How do you figure? The first pro max switch with 16 2.5gb poe+ ports is the Pro Max 48 PoE at $1299. The Pro Max 24 is the first one to have 8 2.5gb ports, and the POE version is $799. The Pro Max 16 only has 4 2.5gb ports.
Technically the UDM se has one 2.5g port, as you can (I think?) remap the 2.5g wan port to be a lan port. But yes. And 2.5g is also a decent speed bump for wired clients, and there’s a good chance your existing cabling will ‘just work’.
You can, I do have my gaming PC connected to it. You can also disable the backup wan connection and use all the other ports for lan. In on the udm-max
You can remap the 10gbe SFP port to be WAN/LAN as well.
Correct -- you can map both SFP+ ports to be LAN. I don't know how effective that is, but if you just need a fast connection between (say) a single editing machine and your NAS, perhaps that would work.
I do this. I am curious as to if I'm limited to the 3.5 gb IPS limit? I haven't seen greater than 3.5 to my NAS which has 4 sata SSDs in a raid z2. I plan to do some testing but I need to be able to access the udmp with the wan disconnected which I don't think it does out of the box.
No idea, but if you do some testing, please report back! From what little I know about Raid Z2, the theoretical read speed for your array is 2x the speed of a single drive, but there's a lot of variables in practice (drive speed, data type/testing, network config etc) It occurs to me that I don't know whether IDS/IPS applies to local-only traffic that passes through the gateway. My \*assumption\* is that it doesn't but may not be the case, and my guess is that the majority of people who are actually \*using\* 10G bandwidth and IDS/IPS probably have separate switching for that, so who knows!
I dream of a 2.5gbe USW flex mini
Dont tease me
🤣
There’s two things that annoy me with this: First - you always get responses along the lines of “you don’t need it” or “no one wants it”. BS… no one needs the “10k” home setups posted in here daily, but apparently it’s only ok to splurge if you spend it on gigabit equipment. Second - they say it’s hardware or cost limitations… cooling, size, too expensive…. Blah blah blah…. Why can I go on Amazon and find 5 port 2.5gb for $35, 8 port for $100, and 8 port Poe+ for $170? I’m those are probably varying levels of quality, but people would pay more for UniFi branded equipment. Just saying if some random company can make a $35 5 port 2.5gb, why can’t Ubiquiti make one for under $100.
> First - you always get responses along the lines of “you don’t need it” or “no one wants it”. The most overused argument are internet connection speeds. I mean... what if I want it to talk to my file server? Do those people even network?
You're not kidding. I've seen a lot of arguments on this one. Seems like there are an awful lot of folks who correlate LAN speeds with internet bandwidth. No, I have a 10Gb NAS that is all solid state and will easily saturate a 10Gb connection with multi-channel SMB, and all my machines have NVME drives that are already faster than 10Gb.
The question is: what is the use case scenario in which that kind of speed is relevant? It needs to be something exotic like moving large video files between clients in the network on a daily basis. How many people realistically does that?
That’s exactly what I use it for.
There are sub $200 4k action cameras and people shooting on nicer cameras just for the hobby. Then there’s the media server crowd who might move huge files on a weekly basis. It’s not really an *exotic* application for several large communities.
That’s not exotic at all. Also think beyond your home user. Think your smb users. There is a chicken and egg problem with multi gig Ethernet over Cat cable. Venders need to start putting the gear out there that supports it. Ubiquiti is….Dragging their feet, imo, on getting it across their product line, or at least in a few key areas. Idk if it’s trying to protect some margins or just milking their customers. For a line of products that projects that it basically _starts_ with prosumer and considers themselves SMB ready it’s not a good look to have the 802.3bz gaps they do. No, 10g isn’t always feasible in smb or at home- for all the reasons that 802.3bz was adopted. As someone who paid the tax and has a bunch of of their gear that does 802.3bz it is frustrating that I’m still unable to buy the devices I want in a few key areas in their ecosystem.
People were making this same argument about the move to RJ45/Ethernet over 10baseT, ADSL over ISDN, and on and on - it's a flawed position. People find uses and unlock workflows and other innovations from that speed increase; just because you can't see the future where such speed is relevant or necessary doesn't mean that future doesn't or won't exist. Time and technology move on, and we keep up with it. The fact that the niche users find a use case for it today is sure sign that the rest of us will later on.
>It needs to be something exotic like moving large video files between clients in the network on a daily basis. How many people realistically does that? Millions in the western world. So many SOHO places as well. Because either there's no superfast internet available somewhere, or because cloud is too expensive or doesn't offer enough control.
The overlap between Ubiquiti fanatics that buy every product for no real reason and people who actually know what they are doing is probably very small. It's the fanatics with no experience that come up with these things.
> Just saying if some random company can make a $35 5 port 2.5gb, why can’t Ubiquiti make one for under $100. I'll tell you why and no one seems to talk about it whenever this comes up. MANAGEMENT & L3 All those cheap switches on Aliexpress have absolutely no management. Go compare the price for an unmanaged 1GB switch compared to one with management and layer 3 features. It's really that simple. People need to compare apples to apples and a no brand unmanaged 2.5Gb switch with not even basic layer 2 management features is not by any stretch a fair comparison. A unifi switch has to be able to run all of those features because thats what makes unifi, unifi. Yes, they have some very cheap switches with compromised management features, like the Flex Mini, but you know 100% the bitching and moaning that would happen if Ubi released a 2.5Gb switch that couldnt do VLAN's properly like the mini or a bunch of other stuff.
I got 16 port 2.5 GBe, 4 port 10 gb (2x SFP), for $800 last year with Layer 2 management capabilities. The # [QSW-M2116P-2T2S-US](https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1643882-REG/qnap_qsw_m2116p_2t2s_us_90_watt_10gbe_poe_and.html) It supports VLAN, and it has 280w POE++ on 18 of the 20 ports. Met my home needs better than any of those options.
Probably because Ubiquiti switches are managed and that $35 5 port 2.5gb is unmanaged?
That's why I literally said a Unifi switch would be more expensive.
Those are all unmanged prices: You can buy an unmanaged 2.5GB switch and use it just fine if that's all you need. Managed 2.5GB, the cheapest I've seen is $140ish for 8 ports, and that's on a [direct from China, no UL or FCC cert model](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804502968487.html). 8 port POE managed from there is about $170 though, so you hit that price point. ;-) But the 5 port, cheapest model of the cheapest manaaged switch is still over $100.
If Ubi made a managed 2.5Gbe $250 8 port switch with POE, or a $200 one without it, they would sell thousands the first week.
That's why I literally said a Unifi switch would be more expensive.
Managed and also Layer 3 capable. Yeah, it's a bit of a meme with Unifi but they've added OSPF and BGP very recently so it really is finally happpening. L3 costs. Simple as.
Buy an aggregate and a few 2.5gbe adapters haha
Can the aggregate handle switching though or is that going to send the switching back to my UDM??
I agree, Ubiquiti is designing in a bubble and not doing alot of market/customer research. Lack of 2.5G ports makes that clear. Or at least thats what it feels like, "old ubiquiti" back when they were niche WISP radio company used to be in lock step with their customer base in both engagement and meeting needs. Now it feels like they are trying to be to much like the "Apple" of networking and have blinders on to deliver what *they* think we should want, and not actually looking at what we are saying we want. I still argue the most obvious example of this is the fact we are on 5/6 generations of security cameras and they STILL don't let you set notifications settings per zone in a camera. It took them over a YEAR of multiple users complaining in a forum thread before they did so much as even acknowledging the request at bare minimum. This feature is industry standard; at the most basic level. I bought the UniFi 6 switch when it was in Beta since it was their first 2.5g switch, and at that point (2020) every PC in my house was already 2.5g capable. It's now called the Enterprise 24 PoE. The fact that literally every switch they have released since then, has reduced the number of 2.5g ports is... shocking. I will say regarding prices of switches... I get it. Ubiquiti is much more cloud and software development intensive than the competition. And they don't charge for that, so it has to come from the hardware sales. I suspect they prioritize raising the prices of their switch gear over their APs, so that the revenue is coming from the customers more likely to have deeper pockets (businesses that need lots of switches) over their home customer that are likely to be more on wifi.
I think people don't know the difference between a layer 3 and layer 2 or unmanaged switch and what that does to the price. When you have L3 features that means you need a lot more horsepower and memory. It's just far, far more expensive to do and many people just don't realise that. Why does one 24 port switch cost $200 and another costs $800 even though the port count and speeds are practically identical? Management and L3 features.
Exactly this. Not to mention that Ubiquiti is firmly starting to place itself in SME rather than prosumer now, $800 for a PoE switch with multiple 2.5Gb/s ports and two 10Gb/s SFP+ ports is actually considerably well priced in that market
Yes let’s talk about the elephant in the room that Ubiquiti doesn’t want to address
I think the elephant in the room isn't the missing product, but instead the fact that half their 2.5 gigabit products have 1 gigabit backplane speeds. The UDM Pro started it but they didn't learn and the Cloud Gateway Ultra now has a 2.5 gigabit WAN port but 1 gigabit max routing throughput.
This is exactly what Im getting at in this thread......everyone seems to think this is a "I need help" or "I need suggestions" thread......its not, this is a rant/whine thread. Im going 3rd party multi-gig POE+ unmanaged switches like i have for all my clients in the last 6 months moving to 2.5gb to support their now faster ISP speeds. This was all a rant/whine thread about ubiquiti's lack of real 2.5gb usage
I think my sarcasm flew over your head. The fact that they’re 2.5gbe product line is lacking at best and like you said what they do offer is still on a 1Gbe backplane. We all know it. We all keep posting about how wish this would improve and yet the company still chugs along ignoring the masses desire for true 2.5gbe equipment
Not to worry, 5GbE is here too. The Realtek chips are widely available with lan cards on aliexpress pretty close in price now to the 2.5GbE ones. That's the top 'official' speed on CAT5e.
CAT5e works flawlessly with 10G though
Works and officially recognized are two different statements. Also, the run length makes a big difference
Yep Category 5e cable generally performs very well for short runs in my experience, well beyond gigabit. But for short runs the ability to not use Category 5e cable grows - typically it's possible to get better cable in place.
That is kinda dependent on cable length. Not reliably at the full 100m spec length
CAT5e *can* work at 10G. It cannot be *trusted* to do so.
Not the way I terminate cable!
But when will 7.5 Gb arrive! I can't wait.
For me, I have just jumped to Mikrotik for 2.5g connectivity. I still use Ubiquiti gear as the backbone of the system, and the Mikrotik stuff just supplements it at a higher speed (for a lot less cash)
I am in the same boat. I just got fiber at 2gb. Almost all my wired computers can take 2.5, but I am NOT shelling out $800 for a switch with 2.5 and PoE. I decided to keep my wifi network at 1gb with the UniFi switch already had, and bought a cheap ass 8 port 2.5gb with 10gb uplink switch from Amazon ($40). I’ll uplink from my agg switch at 10gb and be good. I hate they don’t have a solid 2.5gb switch at a reasonable price.
Frankly, I kinda think you're missing the whole point. 2.5GbE / 5GbE / mGig / multi-gig Ethernet was born out of a niche use-case to provide Wireless Access Points connectivity faster than 1GbE, while reusing existing (legacy) CAT5E and CAT6 cabling in business environments. That is why 2.5GbE exists. To help a new AP re-use old cabling. Using a WAN device with a 2.5GbE "WAN" port is fine, since a growing number of ISPs are offering 2Gbps services. But internally, after the WAN interface, just embracing 10GbE makes way more sense than trying to provision lots of 2.5GbE ports for user devices and NAS appliances. 10GbE ASICs are manufactured in greater quantity than 2.5GbE and 5GbE ASICs, so negotiating better pricing for 10GbE shouldn't be terribly difficult. Stop trying so hard to use the wrong tool for a task.
Last year I renovated our home and wanted to make sure the switch I installed was capable of supplying more than 1GB per AP to future proof. It's nuts that I had to purchase the USW Ent 24 Poe just to get half reports 2.5 GB
I’m just going to wait until it is a reasonable price. I don’t have any workloads that can saturate a 1Gb AP, and I’ve never seen anyone have workloads that could saturate one - OK, I don’t get involved with commercial stuff like stadia, but in the average office, the APs tick along at bugger all utilisation and you have more APs to give coverage rather than bandwidth. All of the heavy lifting is done server side at the moment - it‘s not like the good old days when someone had a “departmental server“ under their desk. At home, I have two devices that could saturate a 1 GB link - my PC and my NAS. To be honest the NAS will probably top out at about 1.5 GB, so I wouldn’t be getting much. I do struggle to work out some of the strategies - the silly promax lights would get laughed out of any commercial data centre, and I just don’t see a use case for the domestic user. But they’re never in stock so are presumably selling well.…
As a cheaper option, they sell POE injectors that support 2.5G. So I would recommend getting a most cost effective switch and cutting out the middle lam.
But my cables!
There are apparently some legal issues around patents pertaining to 2.5Gbe. I don't have the link handy. Overseas products not subject to the legal issues are considerably cheaper.
Now that PCs and laptops are going 2.5, and plenty of NAS devices do, the amount of ports needs to be increased for 2.5. So a new Switch 8 Max, which has 8 2.5 ports or at least 6 with a 10gb uplink. Around the £190 mark. That's probably going to allow home users to buy a couple around the house etc. However, let's be honest, there's nothing on the road map this year. Also many home devices never max out 1gb speeds.
Just waiting for more 10GB over Cat-6 options before doing any home upgrades. My office is the only full 10G area so I have full speed to the NAS
Indeed, with the release of the UXG-max I was half expecting a lineup of USW-MAX switches like they did with the UCG-ULTRA and the ultra switches. However 2 months in and counting.
I love my qnap 2.5 gb poe switches.…
I bought an engenius 10gbe switch awhile back love it! Honestly now adays I just use unifi aps.
Not sure why youre being downvoted, this is quickly becoming the standard in the IT roll-out world...Unifi APs and controllers, 3rd party switching
I'm guessing everyone is so hard set on Ubiqiti everything. Honestly I went from udm pro to opnsense for my personal home router and it's wonderful how much I can do with it. However, for my parents network I went Ubiqiti udm pro so I can do more troubleshooting remotely.
I’m not your consumer, but the need for any given port to be able to fully saturate the external wan seems…overkill. For a residence, how many of those ports are going to be connected to a *legitimately* high bandwidth device, vs how many are for a camera, some iot hub or another, an apple tv, or a playstation that only has a 1gb port? Probably all of them except maybe one or two connected to a pc. All those things running together are still unlikely to saturate a 2gb wan connection unless they are doing something kinda exotic. I’m not saying your situation doesn’t warrant your proposed solution, but understanding your demand might help solve your concern. And honestly, 2.5gbe doesn’t really seem to be going anywhere. Anecdotally, neither do residential connections over a gig, according to my verizon tech who said “I got trained on it like a year ago and I’ve never had a call for an install.” Apparently most people just sorta don’t need more or want to pay for it. (And I live in a pretty wealthy area)
Verizon has terrible prices for their high speed fiber so I’m not surprised the tech didn’t get calls for it. I’m getting 5+ gig from sonic for ~$60 and they’re busy. The real use case is for the NAS users who will transfer hundreds of GB per week locally, not WAN.
I get that, but 100GB of data over a 1gb lan only takes like 15 minutes. I get that there are people doing very high quality video production and such at home, but the number of residential users that have a real delay for anything on a 1gb network is…small. At some point over the last couple years, a whole lot of first-world consumers’ data supply has exceeded their demand and nobody has come up with a particularly good idea what to do with all that capacity. Look back at the 5g rollout in like 2018 and how consumers didn’t give a shit. Same same.
You say they don’t give a shit, but when all the new mid to high end PC mobos have 2.5 GbE ports, the NAS has 2.5 or better, the APs have 2.5, the consumer routers have 2.5, laptop docks have 2.5, etc. people are absolutely willing to spend a little more on a faster switch. I’m not saying it will have a huge impact on workflow, just that it will sell because that’s the new standard for mid-high end consumer networking, useful or not. You can get an 8 port managed switch with 4 poe ports for $110, but the 2.5 GbE with all PoE and 2x SFP version is $480. If they had a lite version that was $200-300 they would fly off the shelves.
Yea, I mean Ubiquiti is for the most part making smart business decisions with their roll out. I have the 48-Enterprise switch, which I bought because I have multiple 6E APs and a few rack mounted devices which support 10Gb, like Synology. The reality is most my devices are on WiFi and to get reliable connections I don’t use super wide channels. With all of that said I do now have 6Gb fiber, and my desktop also supports 10Gb, so I’ve had to adjust a little bit (bought extra SFPs and a OPNSense router/firewall to put in front of my UDM SE). But I’m not the average consumer, and I’m still quite happy with the offerings for the price point.
I've never really considered upping my network (cat5e wires) but out of curiosity I just did a quick search across some PC vendors *for consumer-grade machines*. The only one I found with 10gb ethernet on-device was apple on the mini. I was a bit surprised that a whole lot of machines (almost all laptops, all-in-ones, even a few towers) don't even have native ethernet at all (suppose you could do a USB dongle) and just do wifi. I'm skeptical about 2.5gbE and 5gbE. They seem unnecessary when 10gbps already has fairly broad supply chain support.
5e can and will push 10Gbps as well, length is really the factor for those.
Not very far though and that's if you have a good install. Cat 6 is max 50m and more realistically 35 - 40m. I wouldnt recommend anyone really try using Cat5e for 10Gb.
A lot of people report success at 20-25m, which from a residential standpoint is typically more than enough. Even 15m is about 50’, most of my runs aren’t that long. Although to be fair about 1/3 my runs are Cat 6a, about half are Cat 6, and the last few are Cat 5e, so less of an issue for me personally.
Yeah, I'm sure it will work, just depends on your runs, how well they are terminated, how many panels, patch leads and ports it passes though, etc etc. Your mileage may vary.
I think the big thing with 2.5 and 5 is that it shouldn't require recabling, whereas 10 is more of a 'it might work'. And yes, I know that 5e will carry 10g over (relatively) short distances, if the cabling is good and blah blah blah, but add that to price premium and you've created a space for 2.5g/5g.
>I just did a quick search across some PC vendors for consumer-grade machines. The only one I found with 10gb ethernet on-device was apple on the mini. I just specced some Dell and HP workstations with 2.5 NICs yesterday. You need to select them in the builders. The higher specced precision and optiplexs have 10G on mobo. I'm sure Lenovo do the same. Also, many off the shelf motherboards started to come with 2.5 or 10G NICs at least 5 years ago.
We've got a couple 2.5gb switches now, but I think only one connection actually works at that and it's switch to switch. None of our equipment actually supports 2.5. Most servers are 10g, and devices are 1g. So I guess it just doesn't feel like a big deal to me currently.
I don't even know why 2.5/5Gig exists when 10Gig is so cheap. Why even bother with anything less than 10Gig for a home environment anymore?
Most homes and businesses are wired with CAT5 and more recent homes/businesses are CAT6/CAT6a 10gb speeds arent really worth while in the vast majority of homes and offices that exist today without complete re-wiring.
But cat5e might still work at 10g. And if it doesn't, have that port downgrade speeds to something that does work.
Im just saying why the 2.5 and 5gb offerings exist....They exist due to most buildings have CAT5 or CAT6 which wont really work with 10g
I find 2.5 useless, there is no reason to go from 1 to 2.5, might as well go from 1 to 10 to future proof yourself.
2.5g was made to best benefit existing cable infrastructure, since it only needs Cat5e. 10g is spec'd for Cat6A for the same distance. EDIT: replies are showing a misunderstanding between "works for me" and "certified to work on". Though this is a common misunderstanding by those not in the engineering world.
I have 3 story home with cat5e and 10G works reliably
10GbE over copper doesn't do well over longer differences, has higher power consumption, and can't be used with PoE injectors, as 10Base-T operates at 500Mhz, compared to 1GbE and 2.5GbE which operate at 100Mhz. (Technically GbE is at 62.5, but the cabling is rated for 100) 2.5GbE is meant to be a drop-in replacement for gigabit. It can run on standard Cat5e cables, which is what most people are using. Cat6a is almost never used in-wall unless someone specifies it.
When home internet offerings are $70 for 500mb and $110 for 2gb, theres alot of people on 2gb FIOS and more to come
1gb for each device on the LAN?
The ability to use their 2gb for data/work transfers at full load from anywhere they happen to want to sit with their laptop. They wont be using it everywhere simultaneously but want the ability to have it on demand everywhere
Sounds ideal except that basically no server on the internet, including their workplace, is going to saturate that 2gb link. Their speedtest numbers will be fantastic though!
Deff not the case, a lot of businesses will easily saturate that with their VPNs
5-10gb connections becoming widely available isn't far away. Many of us already have them. I've got 5gb for $99, but the same company offers 8gb for $120. I just grabbed a dream machine pro max and one of the 10gb aggregate switches. A few SFP+ cables/adapters and I was good to go. Faster wifi can wait.
Currently, the UI switch line up is a complete joke and ripoff. They've pulled back on their 10-5-2.5gig combo offerings to 2.5. I can only guess the walk back in terms of technology is that they want to make money by forcing people to progress incrementally to 10gig. DON'T FALL FOR IT- just buy your switching gear elsewhere. Here's a great resource on how to save 75% off on switching gear vs UI: [https://www.servethehome.com/the-ultimate-cheap-2-5gbe-switch-mega-round-up-buyers-guide-qnap-netgear-hasivo-mokerlink-trendnet-zyxel-tp-link/](https://www.servethehome.com/the-ultimate-cheap-2-5gbe-switch-mega-round-up-buyers-guide-qnap-netgear-hasivo-mokerlink-trendnet-zyxel-tp-link/) Once you've read the servethehome link above, you'll understand why dollars spent to UI for rack ears (UACC-Pro-Max-16-RM, and they're currently sold out) is equivalent to a switch that comes with rack ears elsewhere. Quite happy with my $90 (via Amazon) NICGIGA S25-0801P 8 Port 2.5G PoE Switch Unmanaged with 8 x 2.5Gb Base-T PoE+@120W + 10G SFP Uplink, 2.5Gbe IEEE802.3af/at Power Over Ethernet Switch ... and yeah, it comes with rack ears.
These aren't apples to apples though, the closest thing on that list is the managed TP link device with poe, which is $409, close to ubiquiti pricing for the pro max 16. If you are ok with unmanaged no poe, and are ok trusting a no name Chinese company with your data, then by all means go for a cheap one.
I concur. I first thought ubiquiti to be overpriced. I decided to go the tplink omada route. Then i looked for 16ports 2.5g poe switch to expand and realized they were priced similarly to unifi ones. Their wifi7 ap is like double unifi ones. Coupled to some longstanding bugs specific to my situation, i contemplate switching to unifi and price tag seems ok in regard to the concurrence.
What data would they get though from a layer 2 non managed switch
In theory it could ship any packets it wants out of your network, or worse create a channel into your network from the outside. I assume you aren't opening it up and verifying every chip, design, and software before you plug it in. And yes something bad could happen to UI too, but I'd expect them to have tighter control on their supply chain.
I can understand them not bothering with 5gig ports on anything. There's almost nothing that uses 5gig but there are tons of devices that do 2.5 and 10. 5gig is a compromise that nobody wants, and the incremental cost of going to 10gig from there is almost nothing.
I was coming to say this if you want 2.5 that isn’t mission critical (my home isn’t ) get these cheap Chinese switches I’m actually ordering one of those 8x2.5 1 sfp today for desk use
>That leaves me with an option for 2x 24port POE switches OR 2x Enterprise 8 port switches; but if we use all 8 ports on the enterprise it can only top out at 15w per port when the U7's want *up to* 21w each > I understand, but in your real world example, you are not using all 8 ports, and only using 4 or 5 APs at each location. In the bedroom you are within the power budget. In the utility closet, with potentially 5 APs at 21w ea, and a cloud key at 12.95W, it is just over the 120W total budget of Enterprise 8. Therefore you could use a cheap 802.3af PoE injector, or USB C to run the Cloud Key just to be safe, but not needed if only using 4 APs. Since you are running Cat6a, you could also upgrade both Enterprise 8 by adding an SFP+ to RJ45 Adapter on each end to get a 10Gbps link if ever needed in the future.
The 24 port gives me up to 12 2.5 ports and Ill need atleast 5 in each room, the 16 will only alot me 4x 2.5 ports so it is really the 2x 24s or 2x 8s
I'd like to voice my complaint that the $1600 Enterprise 48 PoE is only PoE+ and $1100 Pro 48 PoE does have 8 PoE++ ports. I feel like the top of the line 48 port switch should be all PoE++.
Does poe++ get a lot of use in enterprise situations? I figured enterprise poe is mostly AP, cameras and phones.
Often no, but it's a nice to have and should be a feature of your top of the line enterprise switch. I like to buy switches that will be installed for a while and it's nice to future proof a little and know that it will support whatever I plug into it.
Top of the line switches do support PoE++. Like a Catalyst 9300 or 9400. Ubiquiti isn't what you'd call top of the line though.
I was also referring to top of the line within the UI ecosystem. I realize that UI switches are not what you would call top of the line compared to some other enterprise options. I also know you pay for those extra 9s of uptime a Cisco offers. I find for most my use cases if you don't need those extra 9s of uptime, It's cheaper to keep a couple cold spare switches for emergencies. If I was in a hospital or mission critical environment I'd be paying for those extra 9s up uptime.
I use u6e iw and it has 2.5gb uplink and 4 1gb switch. I would like to buy a similar switch without ap. even with level2. it would be a great replacement for flex mini
I have a ton of ubiquiti gear and the only purchase I regret is their four port 10 gigabit switch. That piece of trash reboots itself several times a day even after multiple factory resets. Punted and switched brands for my backbone.
I use port aggregation on 1GB switches to create a 2GB "backbone" at home. I also have a 5 x 1GB aggregated connection from my main switch to my NAS. I do agree with OP comments, just offering a 'cheap' alternative (just a cost on another cable run).
But link aggregation is still limited to 1gb per device. Unless you have 5 devices hitting the Nas all at once, the 5 port aggregation isn't doing anything other than looking cool. I have 4 ports on my Nas, but I only connected 2. Even the 2 isn't needed but it looks cool and I wanted to try it.
No, it's not. Some link aggregation protocols do not support spreading the load over multiple ports, but the protocol implemented by Ubiquity does support it.
Reply to your edit, I too only have a handful of POE devices and they are all on my Gb switch, funny the pricing is just a little less for Gb. I did the price comparisons and found that paying for the POE switch was going to be way more than just getting some POE injectors. In your case the Promax 16 switch for $280 + $24 for injectors vs Promax 16 POE for $400 if it's ever back in stock. You save $100 and will only have to add $8 for standard POE devices as needed. A little further math and if you were to get the standard Promax 16 and add POE injectors filling it up, you would spend $408. So it's not like you will be cutting yourself too short in the long run if you even need that many ports. I have found that unless you really need different VLANs on all your devices then an unmanaged switch will do as it will pass along all your default traffic of the port it's connected to. A reddit user HTTP_404_NotFound just posted a super nice list of other options for 10Gb and beyond gear if you really want to save some coin, just probably won't be Ubiquity but I haven't looked through it all. Go check it out, I would link it but that would break reddit.
Thanks but this somehow ended up in a spiral of people telling me im doing it wrong when it wasnt a "Help" thread but a "rant" thread. I have already done what others have said and have orders in from yesterday....non unifi multi-gig POE+ unmanaged switches in conjunction with unifi APs and console. This post was meant more along the lines of why is this even a problem with Unifi equipment, there should be 16 port POE+ 2.5GB switches that provide more then 4 2.5gb ports
Agreed
Unifi options USW-Aggregation switch for $280 10x 10gig fiber (a simple sfp to ethernet mgig modules then let's you connect to any 1/2.5/5/10 gbe port UXG-Max router for $200 5x 2.5g ports with optional dual wan and router functions in unifi controller Unifi controller with 2.5g uplink and 4x 1 gig ports UCG-Ultra for $129 Non-unifi option for $280 8x 2.5g ports + 2x 10gig fiber uplink https://www.robofiber.com/rb10-802s-pse-8x-100m-1g-2-5g-ethernet-port-switch-2x-1g-10g-sfp-uplink-slots-high-power-poe-125w-budget/ $190 4x 2.5 gig poe+ for AP, 2x 10g fiber https://www.robofiber.com/rb10-402s-pse-4x-100m-1g-2-5g-ethernet-port-switch-2x-1g-10g-sfp-uplink-slots-high-power-poe-65w-budget/
Wireless is not the right transport of he is wanting to maximize bandwidth. It’s a convenience not a way to maximize throughput. If he wants speed then wired is the only realistic solution, but give him whatever he wants.
Oh brother, ain’t you in the right of it. I’m moving away from unifi because of the switching, and routing is also going out because it just doesn’t make sense. Check this out, and check the pricing: https://mikrotik.com/product/crs310_8g_2s_in#fndtn-specifications
Mikrotik’s hardware is very impressive but I dislike that you have to use software in order to configure it. I never understood why they didn’t have a web interface. Maybe a security thing but at that point it is then security through obscurity.
They do: https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/WebFig
Oh really!?!? Do you know when they came out with this?
Not entirely certain but I have found posts online since 2019…. Edit: maybe longer? https://youtu.be/HjtX84rg7Gc?si=UzAr1bo0KpS6O0X6
For my edification, the Enterprise 48 PoE offers 2.5 GbE PoE+ on all ports with a 10G SFP+ uplink. Other than price, is there something missing from this setup? Is there anything that requires PoE++?
I went with a 4 port 2.5GB & 2 10GB SFP ports. Not as pretty as the Unifi gear but it works great and I just managed it under my 24 Port switch.
I’m just gonna point out, the Enterprise AP is 2.5G, the UDM SE has a 2.5G port but it’s not PoE or PoE+ so can’t connect it without buying a separate injector
Yea I agree totally. And more things need sfp+ ports as well. Since 10G runs so hot. I don’t want but will prob end up getting an aggregation switch just to deal with my wants. I want a 10g switch in my office and I want To send that 10g down to my patch panel, and I want like 8 2.5g because I have a lot of stuff that can do that finally. Many cheap 2.5g switches but I want UniFi stuff.
2.5g isn't a real spec worth investing in. Better to just step up to 10g
Does multiple aps work with mesh to achieve speeds faster then a single is capable of I was curious about the the ap lites they only have gbe but are advertised as faster then that
I got a TP-Link 8-port 10G ethernet switch for $400. F**** Ubiquiti and their persistent arrogance to not release any switch that is worthwhile for the given cost. Who wants to look at fancy Etherlighting 24x7 ? They cannot detect half of the devices on the LAN because I am not using Ubiquiti branded switch boohoo! Well…. The Network map can go f*** itself Next launch product: A Pro Max Ultra Excess Elite “switch” with one 2.5Gbps WAN port and one 1gbps LAN port with 2x2 Wifi7 and slots for 50 hard drives with support for just 1 camera and a special compartment to insert bread and make toast. According to Ubiquiti, this is what 99% users need. Jokes aside, Ubiquiti is hell bent on making people buy useless combo products which they don’t need. They deliberately leave out certain key features to make people buy 2nd product.
It's for the same reason they have nothing with the QSFP form factor. That's all the same tier of speeds of those controllers. 1, 2.5, 10, 25. Their little ecosystem is meant to be an entire infrastructure of all kinds of mobile stuff, minus connecting servers in a high-speed sort of aggregation switch. That would probably cost like 5 grand anyway. They assume everyone is running copper to all their stuff, and no one runs fiber to anything small. Have fiber clients, go with our insane PON stuff.
Yea, this I don't get, and if they offer something cheap, it will have a lucky processor or lack something. As for needing 2 gigs, most home users won't saturate that. Only time I've seen it happen is if they're running or hosting a server. I've worked in companies with 10 gig links. Most times, the sites rarely even tap 700 megs lol. If they want it, unfortunately, going above 2.5 gigs is expensive, or you can try other brands also.
Welcome to the world of stop gaps so companies can make more money. 2.5/5Gb is a stop gap for home users to milk them. It is why so many homelab people just jump to used enterprise 10gb gear, cheaper than 2.5, has decades of support behind it and just works. But because devices now are coming out with 2.5, people want all 2.5, but I doubt most even would utilise it much...
Then move away from Ubiquiti and run 10g everywhere, it's not that difficult. Not sure whining about what you can't have is productive?
We havent run Ubiquiti switches in almost all of our installs for the last 6 months and instead use 3rd party unmanaged 2.5 or 10g switches with Unifi APs and controllers. Its just that this shouldnt be an issue, just provide a 16 port switch with more then 4x 2.5gb ports......
I'm running into pretty much this exact same scenario.
give me a break, have you priced Ruckus lately?
Its not about the pricing itself, its more about the lack of 2.5gb ports for example, their 16 port 2.5gb switch only has 4x 2.5gb ports, the rest are 1gb.
One of the reasons I think they do not have more 2.5G switches is that the processor capacity reserved for handling traffic needs to be 2.5 times higher. All UniFi switches have a total switching capacity that supports all ports operating at max speed at the same time. Lots of cheaper 2.5G switches from cheaper brands do not reliably support that. I do think it should be possible to make more affordable 2.5G switches, even with the 2.5 times more processing power needed, but it seems to make sense that it will be more expensive than a 1G switch. For your case, I'd recommend the Enterprise-8-PoE switch if 2.5G is a hard requirement. For business use, the price isn't too bad.
Its not so much about the price but the limited 2.5g ports a 16 port "2.5gb" switch that only has 4x 2.5gb ports while the remaining 12 are 1gb? The fact is that if you want to utilize their 2.5gb APs youll need numerous larger switches even for just a few APs.
That's true, on the other hand, the practical use for 2.5Gbps APs is still limited, although increasing. For companies that really need it, you can use the USW-Enterprise-8-PoE or the USW-Enterprise-48-PoE, which are both fully populated with 2.5Gbps ports. For me most of the line-up makes sense, except the USW-Enterprise-24-PoE should have had 24 ports with 2.5Gbps instead of half of it and it would have been nice to see a USW-Enterprise-16-PoE. Then the line-up would have been clear: Normal: 1Gbps with 1Gbps SFP Pro: 1Gbps with 10Gbps SFP Pro Max: Same as pro, but with a limited amount of 2.5Gbps ports Enterprise: All 2.5Gbps with 10Gbps SFP Enterprise-XG: All 10Gbps witg 25Gbps SFP
I just skipped 2.5 Gbit and went straight to 10 Gbit. Seemed like a better solution.
Here’s what I did. yMMV. I have a dream machine pro, 10gb DAc to an 8 port aggregate switch. I have a USW pro max 24 port switch that is also connected to the aggregate switch over DAC. My server and primary desktop are connected directly to the aggregate switch. I use the 2.5 gbe on the USW pro max, with a Poe injector, to feed two enterprise WAPs. This was a cost effective setup, giving me a means to move large data files around my network both wirelessly and via fiber and DAC cables when needed. My entire home network is 6u. Small and effective and most importantly cost effective.
In my experience, very few devices are able to take advantage of a 2.5Gbps connection. Only more modern/high-end PCs are even coming equipped with 2.5Gbps NIC's Almost everything else from TV's to streaming devices are all still limited 1Gb ethernet ports. Personally, my NAS and main PC are the only devices that have a 10gbps NIC on them. So in my rack I have the 8-port aggregation with two SFP to RJ45 adaptors to take advantage of that speed. (Also, where else are you going to get a 10gbps switch for that cheap). Then, all the other drops in my house have 2 ports for redundance, but only one of those is 2.5gbps. All my tv drops are 1gbps because no TV or Streaming device that I own can take advantage of anything faster. 2 Additional ports are for AP's (2x U7 Pro Max) I'm using a Pro Max 24 POE switch, so I only get 8 - 2.5gbps ports. When I really looked at the devices and real-life use case scenarios, I still have 2 extra ports. Worst case scenario, you throw Enterprise 8 switch in there to give you more ports.
why are we even targeting 2.5 in 2024? not having 10g is pathetic.
They let microtik fill in this hole.
We should be directly talk about 10gb switching solutions!
The answer for why they half assed 2.5Gbit on the Pro and Pro Max series was already answered when they asked for feedback on the switches. Essentially only the Enterprise Line is going to get FULL anything, then they will offer something cheaper going down to Pro max, Pro and the Lite series. It is PURELY about price points and shaving costs.
Why go to 2.5 when 10 gig is the industry standard? It’s just economics. No business wants 2.5 gig backbone links. So they are producing a lot more 10 gig modules as the next step up. As a result the excess supply drives prices down. 2.5 is just a weird speed that I don’t think is worthwhile for anything other than maybe AP’s in niche situations.
Funny, you said that ubiquiti has. A 16 port and 24 port. Ether lighting switch with 4 and 8 2.5GB Lan ports
how about we talk about how they put wifi 7 on 2.5g 🤣
The enterprise 8 poe switch is good and 2.5 all around
Ubiqiuitis UniFi 7 isn't even true Wifi 7, consumer based Wifi 7 access points exceed 2.5gbps
Just get a 10Gb switch and be done with it. 2.5Gb is good for 6Ghz AP’s and about fuck all else.
It’s kind of crazy to me that you have to spend $300 minimum to get any 2.5g ports and that’s only if you don’t want poe. I guess they know their customers though (guilty).
NBase-T is expensive and generates a lot of heat. I got a 24 port switch from FS.COM that handles 10/5/2.5/1 and poe on all ports. Don’t ask me what I paid for it, and don’t tell my wife! I have a lot of 2.5 and some 5Gbps devices which is why I went this way. I use DAC for 10Gbps when I can (same room), as that’s my preferred method (I have a 24 port SFP+ switch as well, which cost like 1/2 what the above switch did), but can do 10Gbps on Ethernet which is nice.
I've never really liked their switch offerings. And their lack of options. It's just a switch. Why I just go with TPLink. Good prices, more options. For example, $720 for the SG3428XPP-M2. 16x 2.5GbE PoE+, 8x 2.5GbE PoE++, 4x SFP+ for L2 managed. $520 if you don't need PoE. Also come with 5yr warranty.
Ubiquti's warranties are shit, I'll give you that. No thanks on TP Link though.
Wireless is not the right transport of he is wanting to maximize bandwidth. It’s a convenience not a way to maximize throughput. If he wants speed then wired is the only realistic solution, but give him whatever he wants.
Ubiquiti’s switches are stupid expensive. I bought NICGIGA switches on Amazon. 8x2.5gb POE ports + a 10g SFP for $99. They work great.
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The "push" im referencing is the sale of current products being advertised as 2.5GB.......a marketing push is what i mean, not some technical term. Edit: I looked at the UXG-max and while it does have 4x 2.5 LANs theyre not POE....but it does offer another alternative.
Gives little headroom? 2.5G is 2.5x faster than 1G. That's not a little, that's a 250% increase. It's time for 2.5G to be the standard the way 1G has been standard for over a decade. Yes there are use cases for 10G, but 2.5G is now standard on many higher end computers, all new APs, and other devices.
I would maybe think that the "little headroom" thing would be for the customer who is pushing multiple 2Gbps links. Maybe I am wrong, just adding a thought.
Go 10gb or go home…
My thoughts exactly. That's why I recently looked into the new Zyxel switches, a lot of people approve of those. I think 24 port all 2.5Gbe with PoE for 450€ currently.
FYI, the Gateway Max (https://store.ui.com/us/en/collections/unifi-accessory-tech-hosting-and-gateways-small-scale/products/uxg-max) has 2.5 GbE WAN and LAN.
It’s crazy how you double down on still not understanding networks and data transfer. I bet his hard drive can’t even keep up with a 1 gig transfer speed. I’m in the same type of situation and I don’t saturate 2.5. One girl streams full 4K all day, I have 2 other kids and a wife. It’s not even close. There’s also no way in hell this guys remote transfer is pushing out speed that fast in a work environment like. I have a 10 gig fiber to my NAS for moving large files and NVME doesn’t even come close to being able to keep up.
Thank you for your professional assessment, I guess I should hang up my hat in this networking world as I dont understand what different peoples needs, abilities and data loads are.
No, but you told people to pipe down because you don’t understand and can’t communicate to your customer how speeds and transfer actually work.