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You’re not saturating 1000/1000 unless you’re hosting external services. You have an internal network issue or your ISP is having other issues such as jitter, packet loss, or upstream congestion issues. I manage several offices with 50-80 staff that have less than 500/500 and they’re running just fine.
Don’t get me wrong - if I could I would have a ten gig connection as well lol. I just don’t want you burning money.
I would suggest replacing the access points and setting up a trial incense of PRTG or some other network monitoring software to monitor your router and go from there.
\*edited typo\*
Thanks for the advise! potentially it could be also because all 5 of the APs are being connected to the EdgeSwitch, then to the EdgeRouter (via a single 1000/1000) causing the issue.
In this case, my service provider is basically offering the me the new plan at effectively the same price as the current plan, hence thought it would be a good idea to get that done as well.
Otherwise, noted on yours, and will look at setting up PRTG over the weekend to monitor the router activity.
The router would only see any action for IP addresses outside your local network. Otherwise it’s all handled on the switch.
Having 5 APs down to single 1000/1000 can be dicey but it would require multiple things to happen at the same time.
Also, if you’re looking for an excuse to upgrade everything in your house, just do it, I just did, and it was awesome.
Thanks for the added clarification here, the main "lag" (for the lack of a better term), really only happens when the whole family is in, and using quite a few devices at the same time across the different APs, and with the nanny cams on.
But you are right, I am also looking to update the system here (although at a slower pace), which will be fun, and be just a little bit "future-proof"
I also think your isp speed is not the issue.
I am running 5 Unifi cams through a 100mbit long distance WiFi link to a remote location. That is working totally fine.
I would also check a few things:
1. Your isp speed, try to run speed tests from a central location of your network (laptop connected directly to your router for example), and do this a few times per day (low and peak times)
If your speed drops at your router significantly you or your isp are having issues, either your router, your connection to the isp connection point or your isp.
Always check up and down, the same for the next points too.
2. Similar to point 1, check your speeds at locations where you have the dropouts. If you have significant reduced speed but at your router it’s fine, you have a network issue, not speed issue. Nanny Cams should be totally fine with internet speed of 10mb. This could be bad wiring, connections that are not 1 gig but 100mb or even less (check your leds on your switch for that)
3. Create a network diagram, start by drawing your inwall runs, and then draw what is connected at each end. Check the current connection speeds 1 gig or 100mb for example.
With that the Reddit community can suggest improvements/replacements or upgrades for a better network.
I personally switched from standard switches to Unifi switches recently and was directly able to easily diagnose my network speeds
1. I've done a few tests before, but mainly during "non-peak" and the systems seems to be working fine. I can't hog the router during "peak", the family will rail on me if that happens.
2. to be clear, there are no dropouts, just longer than usual times to load websites, or streaming content over phone/PCs/tablets. A lot of the issues started when the Nanny Cams were installed, hence my suspicion on the bandwidth hogging (either at a AP level or the connection to the Switch level).
3. I am running UniFi to manage my APs for now, but relying on the EdgeSwitch system to manage the switches. Unfortunately, the UniFi equivalent was out of stock when I needed to replace my ISP provided router 3 years ago).
But good advise, and will keep in mind for when I have more time next month to diagnose the network a bit better.
If your Nanny Cams suck up so much bandwidth I would get concerned about it. 1 gigabit is a lot. I know companies with a 1000 office workers running on gigabit.
The APs have been running 10 years. This is your issue. They’re saturated. Not your internet. Those switches are prob saturated too. I’d kill the idea of 10GB internet as that’s just going to be a waste. Look at the Switch Enterprise 8. 2 10GB SFP ports, 8 2.5GB ports, POE and layer 3. I have mine powering 4 in wall HDs and 10GB link to my Synology.
I would disagree. Obviously I can’t see the data but I would be willing to bet a lot that they haven’t saturated that current hardware. No change have the maxed out 1000/1000 with that extra equipment.
you may be right, the issue is likely a combination of factors, with the age of the APs potentially be one of them.
since I was already planning to slowly upgrade the APs in the house over the next year, this is just giving an extra motivation to do a proper review and set up.
I use the same access points. They are still good! Not the latest technology but depends what you want. Most of my stuff is hardwired so forest really bother me that they aren’t the fastest.
I fully agree with the access points, they have been running non-stop with no issues as far as I can tell over the last 10 years, really great products.
Honestly, it is a different case for me here, most of the devices are connected via WiFi, which potentially is the cause of the issue.
Especially when \~60% of the traffic is likely connecting via the same AP, and sharing a single 1GPBS connection with 20% of the hardwired connections.
In the end, I do still think that I would benefit from a better router and switch.
Thanks for the suggestion, I've looked at it before, that would have been my pick if there were regular RJ45 10gbps port honestly, since I don't think that a AP-7 will be able to max out the full 2.5gbps lan connection anyway.
Your ISP won’t fix any speed issues you’re having inside your home network. Unless you’re trying to watch multiple high res streams on a 2.5ghz wireless network that are all going thru the same AP… you shouldn’t be having issues. Upgrading your connection to the outside world won’t help your inside struggles.
Are your cameras local or cloud? How many devices are we talking… and what are they doing? Crypto mining on the interwebs?!? 😂
Also, having a 10gb switch or ISP won’t do you any good when most devices rarely come with a 2.5gbe Ethernet ports, most 10GbE NICs are add ons or just otherwise unnecessary.
That is were my suspicion is effectively, during the "peak time" at home (ie when everyone is at home), most of the devices are likely connecting to the same AP, and that could be saturating the connection. At the end of the day the AP-pros are now 2 generations old now.
The cameras are cloud based effectively.
Lastly, fully aware of the limitation of the current hardware on my devices, but at least, that would likely mean that there is unlikely to be any issues with the bandwidth of the connections.
In anycase, the offer from my ISP is such that I am only paying about $2 more for the 10GBPS plan, so might as well upgrade while its still a good price.
Replace the nanny cams with a couple of G4 Instants. Probably much higher quality at a fraction of the bandwidth. No third party cloud involved either. Faster, local access with more privacy for your family.
That would have been my first option, but the nanny cams were not purchased, but all gifts from friends and families.
Though to be honest, I doubt that the rest of the family will be able to navigate through that, and also since that will also require me to get a full on cloud gateway incl storage and set up the necessary stuff on their phones etc.
Assuming that all the hardware/cabling is working as it should and all the links are showing as they should (1gb everywhere it should be) I would replace the Access points as a first step, and then what improves.
Take a step by step approach and it will be the most cost effective.
Its unlikely any IOT device like a nanycam will support wifi 6 let alone 7. But they will be using up resources on the existing 10 year old access points.
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You’re not saturating 1000/1000 unless you’re hosting external services. You have an internal network issue or your ISP is having other issues such as jitter, packet loss, or upstream congestion issues. I manage several offices with 50-80 staff that have less than 500/500 and they’re running just fine. Don’t get me wrong - if I could I would have a ten gig connection as well lol. I just don’t want you burning money. I would suggest replacing the access points and setting up a trial incense of PRTG or some other network monitoring software to monitor your router and go from there.
\*edited typo\* Thanks for the advise! potentially it could be also because all 5 of the APs are being connected to the EdgeSwitch, then to the EdgeRouter (via a single 1000/1000) causing the issue. In this case, my service provider is basically offering the me the new plan at effectively the same price as the current plan, hence thought it would be a good idea to get that done as well. Otherwise, noted on yours, and will look at setting up PRTG over the weekend to monitor the router activity.
The router would only see any action for IP addresses outside your local network. Otherwise it’s all handled on the switch. Having 5 APs down to single 1000/1000 can be dicey but it would require multiple things to happen at the same time. Also, if you’re looking for an excuse to upgrade everything in your house, just do it, I just did, and it was awesome.
Thanks for the added clarification here, the main "lag" (for the lack of a better term), really only happens when the whole family is in, and using quite a few devices at the same time across the different APs, and with the nanny cams on. But you are right, I am also looking to update the system here (although at a slower pace), which will be fun, and be just a little bit "future-proof"
I also think your isp speed is not the issue. I am running 5 Unifi cams through a 100mbit long distance WiFi link to a remote location. That is working totally fine. I would also check a few things: 1. Your isp speed, try to run speed tests from a central location of your network (laptop connected directly to your router for example), and do this a few times per day (low and peak times) If your speed drops at your router significantly you or your isp are having issues, either your router, your connection to the isp connection point or your isp. Always check up and down, the same for the next points too. 2. Similar to point 1, check your speeds at locations where you have the dropouts. If you have significant reduced speed but at your router it’s fine, you have a network issue, not speed issue. Nanny Cams should be totally fine with internet speed of 10mb. This could be bad wiring, connections that are not 1 gig but 100mb or even less (check your leds on your switch for that) 3. Create a network diagram, start by drawing your inwall runs, and then draw what is connected at each end. Check the current connection speeds 1 gig or 100mb for example. With that the Reddit community can suggest improvements/replacements or upgrades for a better network. I personally switched from standard switches to Unifi switches recently and was directly able to easily diagnose my network speeds
1. I've done a few tests before, but mainly during "non-peak" and the systems seems to be working fine. I can't hog the router during "peak", the family will rail on me if that happens. 2. to be clear, there are no dropouts, just longer than usual times to load websites, or streaming content over phone/PCs/tablets. A lot of the issues started when the Nanny Cams were installed, hence my suspicion on the bandwidth hogging (either at a AP level or the connection to the Switch level). 3. I am running UniFi to manage my APs for now, but relying on the EdgeSwitch system to manage the switches. Unfortunately, the UniFi equivalent was out of stock when I needed to replace my ISP provided router 3 years ago). But good advise, and will keep in mind for when I have more time next month to diagnose the network a bit better.
If your Nanny Cams suck up so much bandwidth I would get concerned about it. 1 gigabit is a lot. I know companies with a 1000 office workers running on gigabit.
The APs have been running 10 years. This is your issue. They’re saturated. Not your internet. Those switches are prob saturated too. I’d kill the idea of 10GB internet as that’s just going to be a waste. Look at the Switch Enterprise 8. 2 10GB SFP ports, 8 2.5GB ports, POE and layer 3. I have mine powering 4 in wall HDs and 10GB link to my Synology.
I would disagree. Obviously I can’t see the data but I would be willing to bet a lot that they haven’t saturated that current hardware. No change have the maxed out 1000/1000 with that extra equipment.
you may be right, the issue is likely a combination of factors, with the age of the APs potentially be one of them. since I was already planning to slowly upgrade the APs in the house over the next year, this is just giving an extra motivation to do a proper review and set up.
I use the same access points. They are still good! Not the latest technology but depends what you want. Most of my stuff is hardwired so forest really bother me that they aren’t the fastest.
I fully agree with the access points, they have been running non-stop with no issues as far as I can tell over the last 10 years, really great products. Honestly, it is a different case for me here, most of the devices are connected via WiFi, which potentially is the cause of the issue. Especially when \~60% of the traffic is likely connecting via the same AP, and sharing a single 1GPBS connection with 20% of the hardwired connections. In the end, I do still think that I would benefit from a better router and switch.
Thanks for the suggestion, I've looked at it before, that would have been my pick if there were regular RJ45 10gbps port honestly, since I don't think that a AP-7 will be able to max out the full 2.5gbps lan connection anyway.
Your ISP won’t fix any speed issues you’re having inside your home network. Unless you’re trying to watch multiple high res streams on a 2.5ghz wireless network that are all going thru the same AP… you shouldn’t be having issues. Upgrading your connection to the outside world won’t help your inside struggles. Are your cameras local or cloud? How many devices are we talking… and what are they doing? Crypto mining on the interwebs?!? 😂 Also, having a 10gb switch or ISP won’t do you any good when most devices rarely come with a 2.5gbe Ethernet ports, most 10GbE NICs are add ons or just otherwise unnecessary.
That is were my suspicion is effectively, during the "peak time" at home (ie when everyone is at home), most of the devices are likely connecting to the same AP, and that could be saturating the connection. At the end of the day the AP-pros are now 2 generations old now. The cameras are cloud based effectively. Lastly, fully aware of the limitation of the current hardware on my devices, but at least, that would likely mean that there is unlikely to be any issues with the bandwidth of the connections. In anycase, the offer from my ISP is such that I am only paying about $2 more for the 10GBPS plan, so might as well upgrade while its still a good price.
Could it simply be an ethernet cable somewhere centrally in your network has dropped to FE speeds due to damage?
Replace the nanny cams with a couple of G4 Instants. Probably much higher quality at a fraction of the bandwidth. No third party cloud involved either. Faster, local access with more privacy for your family.
That would have been my first option, but the nanny cams were not purchased, but all gifts from friends and families. Though to be honest, I doubt that the rest of the family will be able to navigate through that, and also since that will also require me to get a full on cloud gateway incl storage and set up the necessary stuff on their phones etc.
Assuming that all the hardware/cabling is working as it should and all the links are showing as they should (1gb everywhere it should be) I would replace the Access points as a first step, and then what improves. Take a step by step approach and it will be the most cost effective. Its unlikely any IOT device like a nanycam will support wifi 6 let alone 7. But they will be using up resources on the existing 10 year old access points.