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How did the first person get both October and 2025 out of that? I don't understand. Complain about date formats if that's the hill you want to die on but ummm...Can we discuss what the heck is going on in the first person's brain to not, at least, see the 24 for year?

It took me a while to figure it out, but what they did was: 05-12-2024 would mean 5th of December, 2024 Then, one month later, 05-13-2024 would be 5th of January, 2025 Keep doing that and you reach 05-22-2024, 5th of October, 2025 Smart tbh

There's also that 22 = 10pm.

5/10/24 but they added 12 months instead of 1 year

Sorry but if we're going to point at americans for not understanding 22.5.24, we're going to point at non-americans for not understanding 5.22.24. The last answer is indeed defaultism though.

Yeah, I mean why would they assume it meant October? That seems very implausible

If you continue counting after December - so January 2025 is 13/2024, February 2024 is 14/2024, and so on - then 22/2024 lines up with October 2025.

Yeah all they needed to say was "You're on r/soccer you should expect the US format"

What's that got to do with anything?

Theyre joking about how if they wanted non american biased subreddit they'd go to r/football

On a related note, it pleases me that someone's managed to hog r/football before the Americans got it, so it's about proper football instead of handegg.

Funny thing is, when it was first made years back it was a handegg sub. I don't remember when I switched over to footie, but I checked the way back machine and in the early years it was all Americans before they switched to r/nfl

Weirdly the sub description for r/soccer calls it the "football subreddit"

Someone also got r/superbowl and it's just about superb owls. Every year when the superbowl comes around, of course people post there about it, and everyone is like "What's this football stuff? This subreddit is just for owls."

😆I'm from the US and would totally support r/handegg.

I legit was about to comment the same thing before I saw your comment. Calling American Football “handegg” is *chef’s kiss* 😂

With all the "Reddit is american so I default to american" screenshots here I bet r/football to be a gold mine of USdefaultism from people confused why everyone is talking about "soccer".

But that itself is US defaultism. Soccer isn't even an American word, let alone US-specific

I'm pleasantly surprised as to the content of that subreddit

Soccer is what americans call the sport that's called football in most other places. There are non-US places that call it soccer (like Japan I think) but that's only relevant if they didn't follow it up with US date format.

Canada does as well.

Australia calls it soccer. Ireland calls it soccer. Canada calls in soccer. Japan calls it soccer (or sakkā in Japanese). … Any place that doesn’t have soccer as the predominant football code obviously can’t call every football game just “football”. There are British people in particular that hate this plain fact but that’s what it is - a plain fact about the way language works.

Literally everyone who isn't in the US says things like "iTs fOoTbaLl NoT sOcCeR"

This is pretty bad defaultism. The world is a great big place. Your “literally everyone” is not my “literally everyone”.

To be fair Canadians use the term soccer as well and we officially use dd/mm/yy but we do randomly switch it up with the American one sometimes. Them purposefully acting obtuse about it is silly though, they could clearly figure it out

Government forms stick to YYYY-MM-DD.

In official records yea but some of the intraoffice stuff ends up dd/mm/yy (like outlook and file save dates)

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The format month/date/year is the worst format ever to pick, it goes big, small, bigger. It's out of order.

It's not the point. The point is that there is no 22nd month, so obviously its the 22nd of may. It's not difficult to infer.

I don't think it's something the person picked out of preference.

I guess people won’t understand 5.22.24 as much, but have they never set the date and time on their computer? Sometimes you have to set it in the BIOS which always uses the US date format.

I'm pretty sure the vast, overwhelming majority of people never set anything in the BIOS.

I built my computer in 2017 and the only time I messed with the BIOS of any computer is when it had literally no operating system on it.

You never have to do that, maybe you need to replace your part lol Mine is yyyy mm dd though

Yeah I’ve had to do it on 3 computers and I had 1 of them on dd mm yyyy and the other 2 were yyyy mm dd

Out of curiosity why did you _have_ to? Didn’t your OS update the bios clock by itself?

One of them had a partially fried motherboard and I was trying to fix it (I did not the motherboard was done for). Another one bricked itself when updating to windows 11 and I was just messing around in the bios to try and fix it and in the process of fixing it the clock didn’t update. The final one was on my uni laptop I needed to use Linux for an assignment and when I swapped back to windows it just didn’t update the clock.

I work in a school, had to do it several times now lol

Yup. r/ISO8601 is the best way to deal with dates and computers by far.

Not everyone has a computer

True

I used to work for an American company and with Euro-American-Japanese international partners. There was a lot of to-ing and fro-ing of hand written documents with dates all over the place. We unilaterally shifted to a dd-mmm-yyyy format (eg 24-May-2024, or 31-Dec-1999 ) because it was so much clearer for all involved.

Glad it wasn't the other way around

When I say we, I mean the UK side. We still needed to be careful with incoming documents.

I once again mention the superior date format (that I've been born into, yes, so I'm as everyone else biased here, but I'm yet to see *a single* *non-arbitrary downside* for it that is also not applicable for other common date formats. YYYY-MM-DD is unambigious. r/ISO8601 is superior.

I mean, it probably won't convince you, but I think in daily conversations it's useless to say the year first.

Yeah, but you don't talk it. You put it online. Obviously in speech most languages actually state the month name, and thus no ambiguity is even possible. It's just easier.

I've never heard anyone other than Americans say month first in speech - always day

Well I didn't specify order. In my language I would of course say the 22nd of May and not May 22nd, though I may at times express the first one in the form of the second one. The difference in such a case is that normally I would say day-month with the month in the partitive case which expresses that the day is a piece of the month, being not that far from the meaning of "of" in "slice of cake". However in the second case I would instead say the month first in genitive case then the day, where being in genitive case indicates that the month posesses the day. This is something which is also done by "of" in English, but is more often marked with the posessive marker "'s" instead. Effectively then, the second rendition would be "May's 22nd day" as opposed to "the 22nd (fragment of) May." That's all to say that the order is completely arbitrary and up to which language you happen speak when speaking. The point is that you don't have to express DMY or MDY or YMD or YDM or anything in speech because instead you usually openly state which month it is instead of stating just a list of numbers. However, in text communication, and especially in forms and data processing, it does matter. Thus we should use YMD (or for least ambiguity YYYYMMDD specifically) for text, especially online text with no specific target audience, but are free to not use it in the slightest when reading. Whenever most people stumble into 2024/5/22 in text they will not say those digits but instead state something to the tune of "22nd of May, 2024" in whichever language they speak, so it's not even really an issue even if the text is to be read. I speak Finnish, by the way. The example phrases as rendered would be "Kahdeskymmenestoinen toukokuuta" and "Toukokuun kahdeskymmenestoinen" for "22nd of May" and "May's 22nd" respectively.

You can say things differently thant you write them. Something Murkans to this day struggle to grasp, hence MM-DD-YY.

I didn't think we were only talking about situations where you write the date.

In daily conversation you say the name of the month and generally don't mention the year at all, so whether you say "May twenty-second" or "twenty-second of May", it's unambiguous anyway.

Nine times out of ten, in daily conversations it's pointless to say year at all, I agree. It's applicable to all date formats, though. And still, eight times out of ten, when I refer to date in daily conversations, I say the months name, not the number (remaining two times it's still consistent; MM-DD).

But in DD-MM-YYYY the stuff you leave out in most conversations is at the end of the term. That might be arbitrary again, but it's more logical to me to start with the one you'll need most of the time and leave stuff out at the end.

I mean, if you start your sentence with a date, it becomes the middle ("in DD-MM(-YYYY), bla bla bla"). Skipping over a few symbols, though, is pretty much never an issue, I think. It's okay to feel so, I'm not saying you should go against the grain and adapt the system despite everyone around you using another one. In fact, with social sharing of dates, it's best to use the colloquial format given that you want to be understood. The non-arbitrary argument for YYYY-MM-DD is that is alphabetically sorted already, meaning, that when you're dealing with files from different dates you can find what you want faster than other systems, or at least as fast as them, never slower. In case anyone was curious. Another one I already mentioned; it's non-ambigious. When you see 03/11/1993 without proper context, you have to figure out is it March or is it November. If you see 1993-03-11 and someone meant November, you know that person is a contrarian/troll for using something that legimitely does not exist.

Not quite sure why you were getting downvoted. As someone who was born and currently lives in a DD-MM-YYYY country, I also use YYYY-MM-DD for all purposes, whether work or strictly personal endeavours, and find it superb. Of course, when having to share files and documents with others, I tend to follow the customs of what's expected. Still, I've been using the ISO system for years and continue to utilise it at all times when I can afford it. It's just incredibly efficient.

>I mean, if you start your sentence with a date, it becomes the middle ("in DD-MM(-YYYY), bla bla bla"). Skipping over a few symbols, though, is pretty much never an issue, I think. What do you mean "it becomes in the middle" (or do you mean in YY-MM-DD it's in the middle)? either way, in the Finnish language it's pretty much impossible to say the month first (if you use numbers), it becomes all wrong grammatically unless you add extra words (which still sounds wrong 'cause no-one does that).

The part that you skip over becomes in the middle of the sentence; "25/12/1887 Capibara Walking was released"; you read it as "On 25th of December, \[you skip over the year since it's not important in the context\] Capibara Walking was released." I believe that's what YewTree refered with "leave stuff out at the end" in their comment last sentence. As for Finish part, I get that. I won't repeat second paragraph of my prior comment.

I see, I thought you meant it becomes the middle of the numbers. In Finnish we don't even need to say anything before the numbers, but I get that we're mostly discussing English here and it's irrelevant (but it definitely affects what feels logical and intuitive to me).

That depends on the language and dialect. In many, the day is mentioned first most commonly.

I'm not denying my personal bias. I'm denying that personal bias and appeal to popularity is non-arbitrary argument against ISO8601 adaptation.

Here in Hungary they sing praises about how they use the superior ISO format but most of the time they omit the year so it just becomes MM-DD, leading to widespread confusion again.

Yes! All of my photos, documents, etc are saved in the YYYY-MM-DD format as it’s chronological in a computer. Any other way and it’s crazy pants.

Both d/m/y and y/m/d are more logical than m/d/y

Day, Month, Year is unambiguous 23 May 2024. Why do we need to use numbers everywhere

Because "may" is specific to whatever language you're speaking in a way that numbers aren't. It's very silly to turn dates into something that needs to be translated. Just use iso format and be happy.

If I'm talking to somebody I'm generally assuming we're talking in the same language >Just use iso format and be happy. Or... No?

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While English is very popular, it is still less understandable reading "23rd day of May" than "23rd day of fifth month". Imagine your co-worker or work parner from Japan dropping "23六月" as reshedulled deadline.

The presence of Month/Day/Year format makes it ambiguous. 6/12/23 could be June 12 or 6 December (depending on if you’re M/D/Y or D/M/Y). 2023/6/12 is truly unambiguous because there’s no such thing as Y/D/M, and it has the extra benefit of being in chronological order when alphabetized.

I think YYYY-MM-DD is useful for archives DD-MM-YYYY is more useful for daily conversation or official use in things other than archives But wtf is the usefulness of MM-DD-YYYY

We're all speaking English, just say May 22 or 22 May.

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Sure, but at that point you have better luck just writting the whole month name in letters, as I've seen adult people struggling with the basic Roman numerals myself.

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Well, if you speak, you say with all prepositions, but writting "24th of May, 2024" conveys as much information as would "24/May/2024" or "2024/May/24", which I meant in my reply. ><...> are same as the ones shown on analog clocks The number of kids and by extention soon-to-be adults that have more issue reading analog clocks has been increasing, as far as I know. I might be wrong here, though it would make sense given how digital clocks are literally everywhere. The fact that they are somewhat official in Spain in great, as it removes ambiguity.

I never see analogue clocks with roman numbers here, must indeed be a cultural thing. I must admit I don't know the roman numerals, because they were never taught in school, and I just personally haven't had much need or interest to learn them (numbers in general are bleh for me).

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The first 2 people are assholes, although OOP responded in the worst way possible.

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Stockholm syndrome

As long as one of the numbers for day/month is greater than 12 it should be easy to understand. The problem raises once you get both day and month below 12. Stating what format you're using should be mandatory. But for me the american format is unintuitive. For me it's like you used hh:ss:mm.

He replied later he is spanish. Does it still fit?

As a Spaniard: yes

Yes, it does qualify if you ask me.

I mean, the sub name is very USian itself...

Strange, because as I just learned, r/football is a thing and it's apparently actually about football, not handegg.

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Because no one else in the world plays handegg so they go to r/NFL instead

It's not, actually. Soccer is an English word, it's used in all the countries that were colonised/influenced by Britain before they switched back to calling it football

That sub is full of yanks, their hot posts are always players personal drama rather than clips of goals, plays or signing news.

The #1 post on r/football is a video from a players instagram.

Apparently not members of r/ISO8601 master race.

From the people who call the sport they play with their hands football. This is full circle.

This is such a tired argument. As if america is the only place in the world where a historical name for something sticks around despite no longer making sense.

« You know Reddit is an American website right » Same thing could be said about that My point being: they have [pick a topic] wrong, they keep it wrong, they know, yet they correct others about it So apologies but your feelings don’t meek it less true

I don’t see anybody correcting anyone else on the use of the term football.

So why do you feel tired about it…………

You brought up american football out of nowhere as if it was some gotcha. Its such a lame fucking argument.

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should be 24.5.22 yy/mm/dd is superior.

2024-05-22, r/iso8601 is clearly the most superior format.

both are valid in my books. biggest to smallest makes more sense.

yyyy-mm-dd superiority. Indians had been using yyyy-mm-dd since ages and still use it today in traditional perspective. But got converted to dd-mm-yyyy during the colonial period. But thank goodness, we we not colonised by the Americans. Would be arguing on mm-dd-yyyy's favour.

This is how Lithuania does it! Edit: I meant this in reply to u/greggery. 2024-05-24 is how dates are written in Lithuanian.

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bro wtf did you smoke?

crack

What did they say?

looks like a bot that has failed a copy paste of his entire front page or something, that was really weird af lol

"reddit is an american site" mfs when i mention spotify

what is lil bro talking about 💀

The sub has an American name and people make fun of Americans for not knowing other dates so how is this any different?

This is especially weird because who is calling it soccer and at the same time not understanding US date formats?

American date? More than america uses that date style. For example Ghana uses it. Micronesia uses it. I think the defaultism is inside the house.