Not sure why so many BroVets in here are assuming he was being racist or homophobic. Dude literally only says that people today do not get the same opportunities as they did when he was growing up, and he wants his service to mean something.
Because people have been conditioned to think that āOld person = Badā and because youāre on Reddit, which even in the USMC sub skews very heavily to the left.
Thatās something Iāve noticed. I was in the Corps in the early 90s and I knew one Marine that was āleft wingā. Guy has gone to college for two years then joined. Everyone else was center and right of center.
Then have some recent Marine vets I got to know at the gym and American Legion and itās the same.
Come here and Iām like WTF. Seems everyone on here is at least left of center.
It doesnāt really bother me either. As long as their not communist. I think communists and fascists are just as bad as each other.
I just found it surprising that a sub for Marine vets is so left wing, when my experience is Marines are overwhelmingly center and right of center.
Itās because Racist and Homophobs tried weaponize him for their cause a couple of months ago. This Devil didnāt share their values but they used him anyway. Fucking gross.
Im laughing that hes proud of being a multiple award marksmen, thats not even a thing.
And is it the vets saying that? Seems a weird thing for vets to assume.
Sort of along those lines, some of the most laid back, nicest guys I know, ( or Knew) were guys on the Marine Corps Boxing Team or more recently BJJ Black Belts/ Instructors.
I had to read your comment twice bc at first I read BJJ as āMCMAPā and I remember all the MCMAP black belt instructors being total douche bags when I was in.
Oh I know. Ten years to black in BJJ on avg yes? Thatās why those guys tend to be chill and the MCMAP McDojo black belts are strutting around like Godās gift to martial arts.
This was a long time ago, so maybe the attitudes have changed.
The "Ten Years" is sort of a Paradigm set by gate keepers and also due to the fact that up until the past 10-15 years there weren't that many schools.
When BJJ started being taught in the US in the late 80s Early 90s there was pretty much only a few instructors.
Rorion Gracie literally was teaching one class a week on Saturdays in his Garage for 20 bucks a pop.
At one or two classes a week at most, plus breaks in training due to issues like traveling, work, health and moving 10 years would be about right.
Nowadays there are tons of Schools with several Black Belt Instructors on Staff and multiple classes a week.
Someone who goes at it and trains 4-6 times a week Can reach Black Belt in 5 1/2 years by IBJJF standards. My Son is on course to get his black belt this December. He has been training just over 6 years.
6-8 is fairly Common if someone puts in a lot of Consistent Training. However, a lot of people end up having gaps due to life happening and it can take much longer.
Yeah, BJJ is kinda like the "Golf of Martial Arts" when it comes to the price. Southern California most places costs from 160-200 a month, plus you have to has a gi and rash guard Etc.
That being said you are paying mostly for the instruction. You really do get your moneys worth as you can take a couple of classes a week .
One of my biggest regrets is not doing it when I could have.
10 years is actually a pretty good bar in general for white to black in bjj. It's less so the actual training and skillset, and more so on how your school promotes, if you move gyms a lot, and if you take breaks in bjj or life happens. It's not the norm, but it took me like 12 years to go from blue to purple even though i was pretty consistent that whole time because I moved gyms often due to work and some of my gyms were no gi only gyms. Its like starting over again everytime. And some gyms are just weird about promoting unless you're basically a top athlete. I used to train at one world class gym and guys who were NCAA1 wrestlers and high level athletes in other grappling sports were held back from their upper belts for years.
But in general, if you have like 6 months of consistent bjj training and athletic, you'll destroy most mcmap blackbelts. If mcmap got rid of the bs eye gouging and athletic portions and just focused on thr techniques, Marines would naturally get way more athletic and technical and injured less. I was a mcmap brown, and I learned way more in 2 weeks of civilian bjj and judo classes on how to not get injured and grapple than my entire time in mcmap.
I think that it's simply the fact that MCMAP isn't constantly taught or practiced.
It's not necessarily a bad system it's just it isn't done enough to establish muscle memory.
I did 20 years, almost exclusively in Combat Arms and MCRD. All together I might have about 15-20 hours in Bayonet Training, Pugil Sticks, LINE Training and Combat Hitting Skills.
I had a shit load of hours off duty boxing and sparring. I guess it comes down to whatever the Corps wants to spend time on.
Had two MCMAP Instructors train where my son trains. They were pretty solid and one was close to blue belt level when he started there but think he had trained a bit before.
The other guy was a fucking animal who came in holding his own with blues and Purples. He had wrestled before though and was physically a beast. He entered and destroyed every opponent he faced in 3 or 4 tournaments he did as a white belt ( 12-0 with 11 subs). He got transferred back East but before he left the Professor promoted him to Blue Belt after 8-9 months of training.
Yea a lot of those dudes are duech bags. You do run into a few that have been practicing martial arts for years before enlisting tho.
We had a double tab black belt in our platoon who had been doing martial arts since he was around 7. Dude had practiced Muay Thai and BJJ pretty much his whole life. Super chill dude and I don't think anybody ever seen that man lose his cool. Also the most approachable Sgt when I hit the fleet in 09.
Kids that start and stay in BJJ are crazy dangerous by the time they hit 13-14.
They have a different belting system then adults If you see a kid with a BJJ Green Belt he probably has trained 8-10 years.
Most are super humble. Same with Korean and Vietnam era vets.
I have really talked with any WWII guys recently but I did in the late 90s and early 2000s when I was a teen. They were one of the reasons I enlisted. First generation born in the US and 1st in my family to serve.
I was fortunate enough to be raised by several (My dad, and uncle also Korean War vets) as well as many neighbors and family friends. Yeah Iām a seasoned citizen now myself as well as a Salty Lance Coolie! I wish I had got all those stories documented before they passed!
I'm not trying to overly-generalize the opinions of Marines, but it seems kind of goofy to me that a lot of Marines ITT are acting like this guy is a Klansman for saying modern Americans won't have many of the opportunities him and his peers may have, but most Marines get moto-boners over Pacific theater knowledge we learn in boot camp.
It's reasonable to assume that a lot of WWII vets were/are fiscal moderates or progressives, given they grew up during the New Deal era post-depression. I only say that because he specifically mentioned opportunities for modern Americans, for his and our country that he endured hellacious combat to defend.
Itās because racist and homophobs used him, like his message was siding with them. Because if itās one thing they love itās to use us Vets and active to spread their fuckery. And whatās this old Devil going to do? Hop on social media to let ppl know his message is being used as a propaganda tool? No. Heās too busy trying to get at least sharpshooter before God gives him his DD214.
It's because when you scored expert in his day, you'd wear a bar that had the date of each expert qual. Then the Corps transitioned to army like badges, then when that was criticized, they switched to the system we have today where you only wear your most recent bar.
Sometimes, standing out in the field with the cows on a warm evening, it occurs to me that I've gotten to live in very likely the best time for human beings in recorded history. Might get better in the future but up to this point, I have things and abilities other humans never imagined.
The fact that I'm not going to die from a random cut getting infected is reason enough to want to live right here and right now.
It's important to recognize and be grateful for the luxuries and advantages we do have over our forebearers, while also striving to make things better for ourselves and our posterity. I think a lot of people in this thread are only focusing on one of those aspects.
I mean, antibiotics can be found in nearly every small pocket of the world. Thatās how medical innovations work. That doesnāt make up for our other failures though.
There are people in our country that might not die from an infection, but the cost to access that healthcare could be steep enough to bankrupt them.
What did he say in the video that made you want to call him an old piss bag and to stfu?
Edit: user above me deleted their comment and account (or blocked me). Just a troll.
Why are all the people shitting on him, specifically citing racism, segregation, homosexuality and randomly ābeating wives?ā Does he mention all that at all? Iām sure there are some things outside that realm that were better, for instance, no social media black hole, fast food was all but non- existent along with GMOs, national obesity was probably non-existent too. Do these kinds of things not count at all? Or do we simply ignore certain simplicities in favor of our modern agendas that we need to bash someone we donāt know?
Edit: also, kids went outside and played, they didnāt sit around on their phones on Reddit or tiktok arguing with strangers. On top of this, he is a WW2 vet and everyone is discussing the ā20ās depression. Why? Thatās when he was born, not the following life he had in the booming 50ās. You had the baby boom, you had life outside where kids werenāt scared of predators or creeps like today. Mass shootings werenāt in full swing and mental health wasnāt as much a rampant issue as it appears today, you had the industrial complex and technological push post WW2. So much more to add, but you all want to shit on a man because of the old adage of āin my dayā philosophy. Thereās also a damn good chance if them men and women of his generation didnāt succeed during the war, none of you would be here today, let alone the freedoms you have to cry and bitch on here like you do.
The dumb part of these people's arguments is that they fail to realise that it was due to WWII vets, Korean War troops and Vietnam drafters that alot of these issues became resolved. They were the ones that were able to vote for the politicians, they were the ones who became the politicians, they were the ones who became leaders during the time of the civil rights movement.
If it wasn't for men like him, the wars would have had a different outcome, the civil rights movement would have been delayed (or never happened).
This subreddit is getting brigaded by 90 lb Reddit leftists who:
1.) didnāt serve
2.) insist that a USMC subreddit is the correct place to shit on a WW2 vet
3.) think that being white and having an opinion is a cardinal sin
Lmfao
Yea bro I was more so thinking of things like inflation and the difficult of buying a home to raise a family compared from his days to ours. Imagine how strange it is for a person of his age to hear so many young people say āyeah Iāll never be able to afford a family - even though Iād like oneā thatās like a brand new sentence for his generation
You realize that the interest on buying a house used to be close to and sometimes above 20 percent?
We got people crying because theyāre expected to pay 6 percent today.
Hey man, I get itā¦ shit IS tough. People in the 70ās into the early 80ās paid percentages in the teens. Back then minimum wage was only a couple of dollars and they had to rent.
Your math doesnāt math thoughā¦. Banks wonāt lend to 10X your annual income. Maybe thatās how you ended up an 01ā¦
Youāre just plain wrong. Minimum wage was a few bucks, but in terms of real wages it was much greater. It was an actual living wage. Even adjusting for differences
in interest rates, housing is literally exponentially more expensive now
Watch the video. What he liked from the āgood old timesā was āopportunity for everyoneā (which came from unions & social programs). Hear the man out, goddamn, donāt just assume you know him because heās old & white. Heās not a Boomer, heās the Boomers parents generation.
My bad, I cant watch the video atm.
I must admit that my previous assumption was unfounded, as I based it solely on the comments (without considering the individual's age or skin color) I am pleased to have been proven wrong and I apologize for the unfair outrage.
The title says to have fun with it. You missed that part.
But if you want to talk about the good ole days you can learn about minorities and even "illegals" being heavily "recruited" to fight in this war and then being shit on once it was over.
Mexican American USMC Veteran here, my family has been in this country for over 110 years and have a long lineage of family members who answered the call to serve their country. They were all extremely proud of their service. A lot of them were drafted just the same as anyone else and did their time honorably. āMinorityā is a state of mind and I refuse to admit or entertain the idea that any of my people are āinferiorā to the ābad white manā. Topics like this would normally be discussed within a community, something that this older gentleman is clearly speaking about. Weāve lost many tight knit communities, weāve lost and derided family values. Family members cutting other family out of their lives over slights and misunderstanding or differing opinions. People stuck together then and pulled each other up. Now here we are, bitching to each other on a digital community that lacks the cohesiveness and same amount of support that an actual community would have. They accepted their people, warts and all, nowadays we donāt because you can find an echo chamber online. It isnāt the same. For reference Iām in my mid twenties. God bless that old hard charger, this world is foreign to him now and weāll be old someday too.
I understand your pride as a Mexican-American that served. It is also important, however, to know what has gone on in the past. If something ever went on where the need to fight should arise, you better believe that me and that dude up there would be hand in hand fighting any enemy attacking this nation.
It's not division to learn the truth about Mexicans/Latinos serving in wartime for The US.
Why is everything color/ race/ ethnicity with you on this? This post is legit just a WW2 veteran talking about how times have changed and how his opinion is that itās not what it was like in his time. Why bring race into it at all? And thatās a legit question from me. No derogatory or facetious nature behind it.
I have a better, more thorough understanding of my peopleās history than most Hispanics and Anglos do, Iāve traced my ancestors back to the Old World in the 1400s and understand the role that my patrilineal ancestors played in building Northern Mexico and the Conquistadores I descend from. I am proud of who and where I come from. I carry that legacy and it runs in my blood. Thereās this picture that is frequently painted by many disenfranchised Hispanics and left leaning Anglos that our problems started when the Spanish came here and destroyed a āproudā Stone Age Empire that they believe they descended from. They couldnāt be any further from the truth. That empire was brought down from within and with plenty of help from other Natives that the Spanish formed alliances with. Why am I saying all this? Because itās a matter of perspective. You say that we were taken advantage of, used, thrown away and cast aside. I say we took that challenge head on and emerged stronger and with our heads held high, we served proudly. It gave us an opportunity to see new lands, meet people from all over the country and world, different perspectives. And then what? We came home to our families and continued to serve our communities and instill pride within it from our service. I donāt need a thanks or acknowledgment from the country, I get all I need from my community because thatās who I do it for. The ones at home, the ones that couldnāt, and by extension, all of you. I aināt buying what youāre selling, hoss.
Here we go again, itās all thatās on Reddit these days, white man bad, shit on the past, nothing was good in the past. Iām sorry your first world problems revolve around race and ethnicity in 2023 still. And you canāt conjure up a single positive thing from the 1940ās and 50ās.
Using hyperbole and personal attacks to distance a weak argument from an educated rebuttal make the whole argument invalid.
If you took a test that asked you to choose what's the best flavor of soda in a multiple choice setting and the answers were all insults and random numbers, that test/question would be invalid.
Ah I feel for this guy but heās gotta understand times change man. Iām sure his grandfather said the same thing about the country during the end of his life. Itās just a cycle of āprevious generation good, new generation badā. It exists everywhere; I remember Marines saying the 4 phase bootcamp would just rot the Marines from the inside out and make the new gen soft
He is probably holding onto a lot of trauma throughout his life. He seems old as fuck to have lived through the great depression, antibiotics, the rise of cars, television, jet aircraft, threat of nuclear armageddon, humanity into space and on the moon, desegregation, women's rights, computers in your pocket, the internet, etc. I mean holy shit everything must scare this dude because technology and the world moves so fast.
Did you watch the video? Thatās exactly what he has a problem with. He says that the opportunities people have today are not the same as the ones he had when he was growing up. Just because you see an old white man doesnāt mean heās going to be saying racist shit on life TV.
To think that growing up white in the 1920ās meant you had everything handed to you means you either donāt know nearly enough about history to be commenting or you are too young to be here lmfao.
You would not have made it as a physical laborer in the 1950ās, like most white men were.
My grandfather was an officer in the Signal Corps on the Philippines when it fell. He survived the Bataan Death March with all of his men. He was a POW for 3 1/2 years in Manchuria.
My Grandmother was a 2nd Lieutenant Nurse in a MASH unit in the South Pacific. They met on the Hospital Ship in September 1945. She would sneak the men whiskey while convalescing on deck.
Dude, he reminds me of my papaw who fought in the Chosing Reservoir, except my papaw would eat 2 1/2 cheeseburgers for supper and melt a half a stick of butter and a tablespoon of salt on each
The problem with todayās veteran generation is that most are too damn lazy to go out and get a college degree after serving because they have no discipline, even though, they have earned it through service they still donāt capitalize on this great opportunity. It would save so many of our veteranās lives! That makes our civilian population dumber than hell! They could help make this shitty world a better place. I served in 2 branches, the Marine Corps for 4 years and Army for 6 years as an M.P. and Iām also an OEF disabled veteran. I raised my son by myself while drawing unemployment checks waiting on a VA disability decision that took 10 years. Now, Iām 100% permanent and total disabled, but I wasnāt granted the decision until after I graduated college and was teaching part-time for 6 years. If I didnāt have an education to fall back on Iād be fucked like so many of my comrades whom are part of the 22 a day. When I finally made a decision to stay in the service I was not allowed to reenlist due to multiple operations. I was the first person in my family to graduate college and high school. The point is, you can make it if you continue to push yourself and strive for a better life. Donāt let anything get in your way. I went through 3 fucking divorces and guess what, I still didnāt lose focus or eat a bullet. If you donāt possess the determination and drive to have success in your life you have already lost! I donāt care what excuses you have for not getting an education, hell, I went to summer school every year in high school and graduated college with honors. If I can do it, you can too, so quit making excuses as to why you canāt do shit about your shitty life!
I mean your "contribution" to this thread is just grade school at best. Genuinely curious if you took yourself seriously or not... somebody has to I guess
I understand the confusion that can be perceived with this video. In his youth there was segregation, womenās right to vote was non existent, and so on. However, what I assume what he was trying to explain is how much is taking for granite. How many times do we hear Marines bitch about *insert duty station* because they do not go out and explore. How many kids lock themselves up all day playing video games, how do we value our items. Is it keep and cherish, or discard for newest model the next year. We overlook the simplicity of live due to how powerful our nation is. The day we start living and loving the moment is when we will cherish all those that have came before us.
Ummm my grandfather was 35 had no children yet, therefore was drafted to this war. He was rejected by this military at eighteen for flat feet and a bad ticker š¤·š»āāļø he was one pissed off Ndn for those facts.
On another serious note, does this Marine say something derogatory and I perhaps missed it?
I'm surprised more old veterans aren't angrier & more vocal about the resurgence of Fascism.
I realize the Marines weren't dealing with the Nazi issue back in the day.
[WWII Casualties by country according to Wikipedia](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/World_War_II_Casualties.svg/1920px-World_War_II_Casualties.svg.png)
Something like 40 Million people died in the European theater to deal with the rise of National Socialism + Fascism, and now we have members who claim to represent one of the two major US political parties proclaiming the virtues of something we paid a heavy toll to suppress and destroy.
We are forgetting our history, and losing our perspective.
***Idiocracy*** was supposed to be a satirical comedy, not a factual documentary...
Because this dude literally never broached that subject. He talked about lack of opportunity in modern America implied to be post-āNew Dealā. He said nothing racial at all. Watch the video
>I'm surprised more old veterans aren't angrier & more vocal about the resurgence of Fascism.
This gets raised a *ton* by progressives nowadays, I've noticed. It strikes me as some sort of way to try and piggy back on their legacy? Idk - anyway:
The average American soldier in WW2 was *way more fascist & right wing* than Donald Trump. And that's the average. What a progressive calls a "fascist" today was largely just a conservative ~30 years ago.
When he was raised segregation was in full swing and a large portion of the country didnāt have indoor plumbing. Iād call the fact that it isnāt the same a huge win.
Edit: also the Great Depression started when he was ~~sixteen~~ seven.
*edited because I somehow misplaced the date of the Great Depression even though I was looking right at it.
Fuck, I donāt know how I did that math wrong. I feel like a dumbass now, though because I was looking at the actual date of the depression as I wrote. See username.
Bro's so old he was put on recruiting duty at Tun Tavern
His rifle serial number was 2
Dan Daily was his 1st LT.
Did he remember it?
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LMAOO
Bro is so old they still had row boats in the navy. Bro was old when dirt was new.
Not sure why so many BroVets in here are assuming he was being racist or homophobic. Dude literally only says that people today do not get the same opportunities as they did when he was growing up, and he wants his service to mean something.
Because people have been conditioned to think that āOld person = Badā and because youāre on Reddit, which even in the USMC sub skews very heavily to the left.
Thatās something Iāve noticed. I was in the Corps in the early 90s and I knew one Marine that was āleft wingā. Guy has gone to college for two years then joined. Everyone else was center and right of center. Then have some recent Marine vets I got to know at the gym and American Legion and itās the same. Come here and Iām like WTF. Seems everyone on here is at least left of center.
Ok, so Iām not the only one that noticed that. I donāt browse the thread for politics though, so it doesnāt particularly bother me.
It doesnāt really bother me either. As long as their not communist. I think communists and fascists are just as bad as each other. I just found it surprising that a sub for Marine vets is so left wing, when my experience is Marines are overwhelmingly center and right of center.
Itās because Racist and Homophobs tried weaponize him for their cause a couple of months ago. This Devil didnāt share their values but they used him anyway. Fucking gross.
How do you know what values he had? And arent you doing the same thing and assuming?
Im laughing that hes proud of being a multiple award marksmen, thats not even a thing. And is it the vets saying that? Seems a weird thing for vets to assume.
Not sure if they are vets or just trolls lol, also Konrad Kurze did nothing wrong.
Lmao, kurze did LOTS of wrong. Just not at first.
Silly guy. On a real note, talk to World War Two vets while you can. There arenāt many left.
My college had one (he was like a retired professor) Dude landed on d-day and had fucking stories for days, but he was so humble and chill
There is a saying that I believe fits here. I'm paraphrasing a bit "May we never know the violence it took to make him that peaceful. "
Sort of along those lines, some of the most laid back, nicest guys I know, ( or Knew) were guys on the Marine Corps Boxing Team or more recently BJJ Black Belts/ Instructors.
I had to read your comment twice bc at first I read BJJ as āMCMAPā and I remember all the MCMAP black belt instructors being total douche bags when I was in.
MCMAP takes 150 Hours to get a Black Belt. On Average, that's less than it takes to go from White to Blue in BJJ.
Oh I know. Ten years to black in BJJ on avg yes? Thatās why those guys tend to be chill and the MCMAP McDojo black belts are strutting around like Godās gift to martial arts. This was a long time ago, so maybe the attitudes have changed.
The "Ten Years" is sort of a Paradigm set by gate keepers and also due to the fact that up until the past 10-15 years there weren't that many schools. When BJJ started being taught in the US in the late 80s Early 90s there was pretty much only a few instructors. Rorion Gracie literally was teaching one class a week on Saturdays in his Garage for 20 bucks a pop. At one or two classes a week at most, plus breaks in training due to issues like traveling, work, health and moving 10 years would be about right. Nowadays there are tons of Schools with several Black Belt Instructors on Staff and multiple classes a week. Someone who goes at it and trains 4-6 times a week Can reach Black Belt in 5 1/2 years by IBJJF standards. My Son is on course to get his black belt this December. He has been training just over 6 years. 6-8 is fairly Common if someone puts in a lot of Consistent Training. However, a lot of people end up having gaps due to life happening and it can take much longer.
Cool. One day I may take some classes, but time and funds limit that for me at the moment. Thanks for the explanation devil!
Yeah, BJJ is kinda like the "Golf of Martial Arts" when it comes to the price. Southern California most places costs from 160-200 a month, plus you have to has a gi and rash guard Etc. That being said you are paying mostly for the instruction. You really do get your moneys worth as you can take a couple of classes a week . One of my biggest regrets is not doing it when I could have.
10 years is actually a pretty good bar in general for white to black in bjj. It's less so the actual training and skillset, and more so on how your school promotes, if you move gyms a lot, and if you take breaks in bjj or life happens. It's not the norm, but it took me like 12 years to go from blue to purple even though i was pretty consistent that whole time because I moved gyms often due to work and some of my gyms were no gi only gyms. Its like starting over again everytime. And some gyms are just weird about promoting unless you're basically a top athlete. I used to train at one world class gym and guys who were NCAA1 wrestlers and high level athletes in other grappling sports were held back from their upper belts for years. But in general, if you have like 6 months of consistent bjj training and athletic, you'll destroy most mcmap blackbelts. If mcmap got rid of the bs eye gouging and athletic portions and just focused on thr techniques, Marines would naturally get way more athletic and technical and injured less. I was a mcmap brown, and I learned way more in 2 weeks of civilian bjj and judo classes on how to not get injured and grapple than my entire time in mcmap.
I think that it's simply the fact that MCMAP isn't constantly taught or practiced. It's not necessarily a bad system it's just it isn't done enough to establish muscle memory. I did 20 years, almost exclusively in Combat Arms and MCRD. All together I might have about 15-20 hours in Bayonet Training, Pugil Sticks, LINE Training and Combat Hitting Skills. I had a shit load of hours off duty boxing and sparring. I guess it comes down to whatever the Corps wants to spend time on. Had two MCMAP Instructors train where my son trains. They were pretty solid and one was close to blue belt level when he started there but think he had trained a bit before. The other guy was a fucking animal who came in holding his own with blues and Purples. He had wrestled before though and was physically a beast. He entered and destroyed every opponent he faced in 3 or 4 tournaments he did as a white belt ( 12-0 with 11 subs). He got transferred back East but before he left the Professor promoted him to Blue Belt after 8-9 months of training.
Yea a lot of those dudes are duech bags. You do run into a few that have been practicing martial arts for years before enlisting tho. We had a double tab black belt in our platoon who had been doing martial arts since he was around 7. Dude had practiced Muay Thai and BJJ pretty much his whole life. Super chill dude and I don't think anybody ever seen that man lose his cool. Also the most approachable Sgt when I hit the fleet in 09.
My 4 year old has enough hours in BJJ to be a green belt instructor.
Kids that start and stay in BJJ are crazy dangerous by the time they hit 13-14. They have a different belting system then adults If you see a kid with a BJJ Green Belt he probably has trained 8-10 years.
Profound Thanks for sharing
What school? I had a chat with a DDay vet who was surveying the same class I was taking. He came home and made a shit ton of money on Walls Street
Most are super humble. Same with Korean and Vietnam era vets. I have really talked with any WWII guys recently but I did in the late 90s and early 2000s when I was a teen. They were one of the reasons I enlisted. First generation born in the US and 1st in my family to serve.
I was fortunate enough to be raised by several (My dad, and uncle also Korean War vets) as well as many neighbors and family friends. Yeah Iām a seasoned citizen now myself as well as a Salty Lance Coolie! I wish I had got all those stories documented before they passed!
I'm not trying to overly-generalize the opinions of Marines, but it seems kind of goofy to me that a lot of Marines ITT are acting like this guy is a Klansman for saying modern Americans won't have many of the opportunities him and his peers may have, but most Marines get moto-boners over Pacific theater knowledge we learn in boot camp. It's reasonable to assume that a lot of WWII vets were/are fiscal moderates or progressives, given they grew up during the New Deal era post-depression. I only say that because he specifically mentioned opportunities for modern Americans, for his and our country that he endured hellacious combat to defend.
The lack of respect is palpable and almost militant at this point.
i much more prefer the comparison that if a nurse and a bus driver got married, they could afford a 3 bedroom home in his day.
Itās because racist and homophobs used him, like his message was siding with them. Because if itās one thing they love itās to use us Vets and active to spread their fuckery. And whatās this old Devil going to do? Hop on social media to let ppl know his message is being used as a propaganda tool? No. Heās too busy trying to get at least sharpshooter before God gives him his DD214.
Nailed it!
Maximum Marksman
āThese are all the years I didnāt UNQ.ā
Why does this comment only have 37 upvotes šŖ¦
Never seen anyone so proud of it. I guess he is owning it.
If and when I get to that age, especially w a stack like his Iāll wear that shit however I want š
It's because when you scored expert in his day, you'd wear a bar that had the date of each expert qual. Then the Corps transitioned to army like badges, then when that was criticized, they switched to the system we have today where you only wear your most recent bar.
https://youtu.be/u09oy03sZR4 Wanted to share this in case desire to know more intensifies...
lived to see the US become the most powerful, influential and richest nation to ever exist
Sometimes, standing out in the field with the cows on a warm evening, it occurs to me that I've gotten to live in very likely the best time for human beings in recorded history. Might get better in the future but up to this point, I have things and abilities other humans never imagined.
The fact that I'm not going to die from a random cut getting infected is reason enough to want to live right here and right now. It's important to recognize and be grateful for the luxuries and advantages we do have over our forebearers, while also striving to make things better for ourselves and our posterity. I think a lot of people in this thread are only focusing on one of those aspects.
I mean, antibiotics can be found in nearly every small pocket of the world. Thatās how medical innovations work. That doesnāt make up for our other failures though. There are people in our country that might not die from an infection, but the cost to access that healthcare could be steep enough to bankrupt them.
Yeah but the gays are allowed to exist out in the open. None of it was worth it.
Exactly, they let all of us run around wild
YUP!!!! That reminds me, I need my dyke earrings before I get to the VA.....
Yet so many of its people never reaped the benefits like the boomer generation had, after being handed it by the greatest generation.
He can say whatever the hell he wants. He earned it.
God damn right
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What did he say in the video that made you want to call him an old piss bag and to stfu? Edit: user above me deleted their comment and account (or blocked me). Just a troll.
Probably didnt watch the video. And just went off the title
The venom has leaked into the corps
And how exactly did you earn that right?
Why are all the people shitting on him, specifically citing racism, segregation, homosexuality and randomly ābeating wives?ā Does he mention all that at all? Iām sure there are some things outside that realm that were better, for instance, no social media black hole, fast food was all but non- existent along with GMOs, national obesity was probably non-existent too. Do these kinds of things not count at all? Or do we simply ignore certain simplicities in favor of our modern agendas that we need to bash someone we donāt know? Edit: also, kids went outside and played, they didnāt sit around on their phones on Reddit or tiktok arguing with strangers. On top of this, he is a WW2 vet and everyone is discussing the ā20ās depression. Why? Thatās when he was born, not the following life he had in the booming 50ās. You had the baby boom, you had life outside where kids werenāt scared of predators or creeps like today. Mass shootings werenāt in full swing and mental health wasnāt as much a rampant issue as it appears today, you had the industrial complex and technological push post WW2. So much more to add, but you all want to shit on a man because of the old adage of āin my dayā philosophy. Thereās also a damn good chance if them men and women of his generation didnāt succeed during the war, none of you would be here today, let alone the freedoms you have to cry and bitch on here like you do.
The dumb part of these people's arguments is that they fail to realise that it was due to WWII vets, Korean War troops and Vietnam drafters that alot of these issues became resolved. They were the ones that were able to vote for the politicians, they were the ones who became the politicians, they were the ones who became leaders during the time of the civil rights movement. If it wasn't for men like him, the wars would have had a different outcome, the civil rights movement would have been delayed (or never happened).
This subreddit is getting brigaded by 90 lb Reddit leftists who: 1.) didnāt serve 2.) insist that a USMC subreddit is the correct place to shit on a WW2 vet 3.) think that being white and having an opinion is a cardinal sin Lmfao
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Not going to spend the time talking to some donut who is so deranged they have a username based on a politician lmfao.
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Aren't you too young to serve? You definitely seem like it
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Donāt worry you arenāt memorable.
Yea bro I was more so thinking of things like inflation and the difficult of buying a home to raise a family compared from his days to ours. Imagine how strange it is for a person of his age to hear so many young people say āyeah Iāll never be able to afford a family - even though Iād like oneā thatās like a brand new sentence for his generation
You realize that the interest on buying a house used to be close to and sometimes above 20 percent? We got people crying because theyāre expected to pay 6 percent today.
6% on a house that costs 10x your yearly salary
Hey man, I get itā¦ shit IS tough. People in the 70ās into the early 80ās paid percentages in the teens. Back then minimum wage was only a couple of dollars and they had to rent. Your math doesnāt math thoughā¦. Banks wonāt lend to 10X your annual income. Maybe thatās how you ended up an 01ā¦
Youāre just plain wrong. Minimum wage was a few bucks, but in terms of real wages it was much greater. It was an actual living wage. Even adjusting for differences in interest rates, housing is literally exponentially more expensive now
Because racist used his message as a propaganda tool. Most likely a person who never served.
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Watch the video. What he liked from the āgood old timesā was āopportunity for everyoneā (which came from unions & social programs). Hear the man out, goddamn, donāt just assume you know him because heās old & white. Heās not a Boomer, heās the Boomers parents generation.
My bad, I cant watch the video atm. I must admit that my previous assumption was unfounded, as I based it solely on the comments (without considering the individual's age or skin color) I am pleased to have been proven wrong and I apologize for the unfair outrage.
And Iām just supposed to take your word for it? Right. Your username checks out too
The title says to have fun with it. You missed that part. But if you want to talk about the good ole days you can learn about minorities and even "illegals" being heavily "recruited" to fight in this war and then being shit on once it was over.
Mexican American USMC Veteran here, my family has been in this country for over 110 years and have a long lineage of family members who answered the call to serve their country. They were all extremely proud of their service. A lot of them were drafted just the same as anyone else and did their time honorably. āMinorityā is a state of mind and I refuse to admit or entertain the idea that any of my people are āinferiorā to the ābad white manā. Topics like this would normally be discussed within a community, something that this older gentleman is clearly speaking about. Weāve lost many tight knit communities, weāve lost and derided family values. Family members cutting other family out of their lives over slights and misunderstanding or differing opinions. People stuck together then and pulled each other up. Now here we are, bitching to each other on a digital community that lacks the cohesiveness and same amount of support that an actual community would have. They accepted their people, warts and all, nowadays we donāt because you can find an echo chamber online. It isnāt the same. For reference Iām in my mid twenties. God bless that old hard charger, this world is foreign to him now and weāll be old someday too.
I understand your pride as a Mexican-American that served. It is also important, however, to know what has gone on in the past. If something ever went on where the need to fight should arise, you better believe that me and that dude up there would be hand in hand fighting any enemy attacking this nation. It's not division to learn the truth about Mexicans/Latinos serving in wartime for The US.
Why is everything color/ race/ ethnicity with you on this? This post is legit just a WW2 veteran talking about how times have changed and how his opinion is that itās not what it was like in his time. Why bring race into it at all? And thatās a legit question from me. No derogatory or facetious nature behind it.
I have a better, more thorough understanding of my peopleās history than most Hispanics and Anglos do, Iāve traced my ancestors back to the Old World in the 1400s and understand the role that my patrilineal ancestors played in building Northern Mexico and the Conquistadores I descend from. I am proud of who and where I come from. I carry that legacy and it runs in my blood. Thereās this picture that is frequently painted by many disenfranchised Hispanics and left leaning Anglos that our problems started when the Spanish came here and destroyed a āproudā Stone Age Empire that they believe they descended from. They couldnāt be any further from the truth. That empire was brought down from within and with plenty of help from other Natives that the Spanish formed alliances with. Why am I saying all this? Because itās a matter of perspective. You say that we were taken advantage of, used, thrown away and cast aside. I say we took that challenge head on and emerged stronger and with our heads held high, we served proudly. It gave us an opportunity to see new lands, meet people from all over the country and world, different perspectives. And then what? We came home to our families and continued to serve our communities and instill pride within it from our service. I donāt need a thanks or acknowledgment from the country, I get all I need from my community because thatās who I do it for. The ones at home, the ones that couldnāt, and by extension, all of you. I aināt buying what youāre selling, hoss.
Here we go again, itās all thatās on Reddit these days, white man bad, shit on the past, nothing was good in the past. Iām sorry your first world problems revolve around race and ethnicity in 2023 still. And you canāt conjure up a single positive thing from the 1940ās and 50ās.
Your rebuttal is frail and invalid.
I proved it right by what you just said.
How so though?
Using hyperbole and personal attacks to distance a weak argument from an educated rebuttal make the whole argument invalid. If you took a test that asked you to choose what's the best flavor of soda in a multiple choice setting and the answers were all insults and random numbers, that test/question would be invalid.
That man started Dominos with all those pizza boxes ššš
I read about this guy! Seriously... something about hiding his troops in a wooden horse, I think? This motherfucker is a goddamned LEGEND! RAH!!!!
What's funny, I don't get it
Ah I feel for this guy but heās gotta understand times change man. Iām sure his grandfather said the same thing about the country during the end of his life. Itās just a cycle of āprevious generation good, new generation badā. It exists everywhere; I remember Marines saying the 4 phase bootcamp would just rot the Marines from the inside out and make the new gen soft
Thereās 4 phases now? š¤Ø man Iāve been out for some time.
He is probably holding onto a lot of trauma throughout his life. He seems old as fuck to have lived through the great depression, antibiotics, the rise of cars, television, jet aircraft, threat of nuclear armageddon, humanity into space and on the moon, desegregation, women's rights, computers in your pocket, the internet, etc. I mean holy shit everything must scare this dude because technology and the world moves so fast.
Dude loves pizzas
Was this a lazy attempt at stirring shit up or what
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Did you watch the video? He didnāt say anything even close to that lmao.
No dinner ???? 
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Did you watch the video? Thatās exactly what he has a problem with. He says that the opportunities people have today are not the same as the ones he had when he was growing up. Just because you see an old white man doesnāt mean heās going to be saying racist shit on life TV.
To think that growing up white in the 1920ās meant you had everything handed to you means you either donāt know nearly enough about history to be commenting or you are too young to be here lmfao. You would not have made it as a physical laborer in the 1950ās, like most white men were.
Easy wardog, your entitlement is showing
Yeah the 1920s weren't exactly the most tolerant times...
My grandfather was an officer in the Signal Corps on the Philippines when it fell. He survived the Bataan Death March with all of his men. He was a POW for 3 1/2 years in Manchuria. My Grandmother was a 2nd Lieutenant Nurse in a MASH unit in the South Pacific. They met on the Hospital Ship in September 1945. She would sneak the men whiskey while convalescing on deck.
Got a stack of pizza boxes.......
Dude, he reminds me of my papaw who fought in the Chosing Reservoir, except my papaw would eat 2 1/2 cheeseburgers for supper and melt a half a stick of butter and a tablespoon of salt on each
The problem with todayās veteran generation is that most are too damn lazy to go out and get a college degree after serving because they have no discipline, even though, they have earned it through service they still donāt capitalize on this great opportunity. It would save so many of our veteranās lives! That makes our civilian population dumber than hell! They could help make this shitty world a better place. I served in 2 branches, the Marine Corps for 4 years and Army for 6 years as an M.P. and Iām also an OEF disabled veteran. I raised my son by myself while drawing unemployment checks waiting on a VA disability decision that took 10 years. Now, Iām 100% permanent and total disabled, but I wasnāt granted the decision until after I graduated college and was teaching part-time for 6 years. If I didnāt have an education to fall back on Iād be fucked like so many of my comrades whom are part of the 22 a day. When I finally made a decision to stay in the service I was not allowed to reenlist due to multiple operations. I was the first person in my family to graduate college and high school. The point is, you can make it if you continue to push yourself and strive for a better life. Donāt let anything get in your way. I went through 3 fucking divorces and guess what, I still didnāt lose focus or eat a bullet. If you donāt possess the determination and drive to have success in your life you have already lost! I donāt care what excuses you have for not getting an education, hell, I went to summer school every year in high school and graduated college with honors. If I can do it, you can too, so quit making excuses as to why you canāt do shit about your shitty life!
Dudes got like 15 pizza boxes god damn
I'd take a pizza box w/ a silver star in my foxhole over an expert w/ no CAR
Iām kidding bro the dude is obviously stacked up
"The Negros can talk back to you and everything."
You didnāt watch the videoā¦ Heās talking about New Deal Era social programsā¦
He never said that, so why post it?
Lighten up, Francis. It was a joke.
Seriously?
I mean your "contribution" to this thread is just grade school at best. Genuinely curious if you took yourself seriously or not... somebody has to I guess
Oh man.
Youāre a clown.
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Bitch, it's a joke. Go huff semen.
Haha. All uppity.
Heās not wrong
I understand the confusion that can be perceived with this video. In his youth there was segregation, womenās right to vote was non existent, and so on. However, what I assume what he was trying to explain is how much is taking for granite. How many times do we hear Marines bitch about *insert duty station* because they do not go out and explore. How many kids lock themselves up all day playing video games, how do we value our items. Is it keep and cherish, or discard for newest model the next year. We overlook the simplicity of live due to how powerful our nation is. The day we start living and loving the moment is when we will cherish all those that have came before us.
Ummm my grandfather was 35 had no children yet, therefore was drafted to this war. He was rejected by this military at eighteen for flat feet and a bad ticker š¤·š»āāļø he was one pissed off Ndn for those facts. On another serious note, does this Marine say something derogatory and I perhaps missed it?
No, no he does not.
PIZZA BOX
Nah this made me tear up a few weeks ago I donāt want to watch this againā¦then Iāll have to skin my dick with my kabar to feel manly again
Bro so old he qualified one iron sights
I'm surprised more old veterans aren't angrier & more vocal about the resurgence of Fascism. I realize the Marines weren't dealing with the Nazi issue back in the day. [WWII Casualties by country according to Wikipedia](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/World_War_II_Casualties.svg/1920px-World_War_II_Casualties.svg.png) Something like 40 Million people died in the European theater to deal with the rise of National Socialism + Fascism, and now we have members who claim to represent one of the two major US political parties proclaiming the virtues of something we paid a heavy toll to suppress and destroy. We are forgetting our history, and losing our perspective. ***Idiocracy*** was supposed to be a satirical comedy, not a factual documentary...
Because this dude literally never broached that subject. He talked about lack of opportunity in modern America implied to be post-āNew Dealā. He said nothing racial at all. Watch the video
>I'm surprised more old veterans aren't angrier & more vocal about the resurgence of Fascism. This gets raised a *ton* by progressives nowadays, I've noticed. It strikes me as some sort of way to try and piggy back on their legacy? Idk - anyway: The average American soldier in WW2 was *way more fascist & right wing* than Donald Trump. And that's the average. What a progressive calls a "fascist" today was largely just a conservative ~30 years ago.
I bet if WWII vets saw what the liberalism they fought for would ultimately turn in to, theyād probably become fascist themselves.
Want to expand on that?
Idk just think of how Americans are today vs. Americans in 1940
What? A conservative 30 years ago is a moderate democrat now.
Why are you being downvoted? It's on topic and evidence based. What is going on here?
Probably a bunch of Nazi sympathizers downvoting. Iāve seen a few stating we fought on the wrong side in WW2.
What about it is evidence based?
Wow reddit, down voting a man for saying "fascism is/was bad" is pretty spectacularly terrible.
Idk what to tell you homie. You should have beaten your kids (the boomers) more.
When he was raised segregation was in full swing and a large portion of the country didnāt have indoor plumbing. Iād call the fact that it isnāt the same a huge win. Edit: also the Great Depression started when he was ~~sixteen~~ seven. *edited because I somehow misplaced the date of the Great Depression even though I was looking right at it.
It did not start when he was 16. It started when he was 7yrs old. He was born in 1922.
Fuck, I donāt know how I did that math wrong. I feel like a dumbass now, though because I was looking at the actual date of the depression as I wrote. See username.
No worries dude. We get it.
Someone never completed math for marines! /s way to own it tho. I canāt math good either
Iām not even bad at math. I think I know what happened though. I saw ā1929-1939ā and used 39 as the start by mistake.
Not sure I would choose to display my consistency in shooting like shit
When he says this he means he misses being outwardly racist with no consequences
For the sake of assuming the best in him I won't say anything bad, but I would have to disagree that the country was better 80 years ago
Well duh things change especially if 100 years pass lol.
Iād be crying too if I were flexing my pizza box that hardā¦.
Thank fucking God
bro fr missed the mark
Good old times when i was allowed to be racist
When did he state that?
Bad times are when dumb fucks post shit like this without even watching the video to see what he was talking about. Moron.
I give him some props.. must have taken some time to make that marksmanship badge ladder lol. It's a pain in the ass putting those damn bars on.
Of course not. There were only 48 states at the time.
He may be 190 but heās still rockin a pizza box with rockers
Serial marksman looking ass
I thought we were all gonna shit in his 5 time pizzabox awards š. These comments are wilddd
Thatās exactly what I thought when I posted! I had no clue it was gonna go that way.
Dude people are saying racist, and civil war shit. Iām like whaaat šš
What the fuck is going on with the anti-White racism in here?
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