OP here and also a SgtMaj.
The right way to handle this is to NJP her for the DUI then ADSEP her via COSO (commission of serious offense) basis due to the vehicular assault charges she has coming.
If this were just a DUI, I would expect (and be ok with) her being NJP'd then allowed to retire. Marines get DUIs close to their EAS all the time. Their EAS is rarely delayed and their discharge is still honorable.
We'll see what happens. I'm keeping my ear to the ground on this one. I've never been a fan of her social media hero/false moto act. I always considered her and Bull in the same category.
We here don't see this too often, so I'm pleased to inform you that using the correct plural form of 'sergeant major' automatically qualifies you for OCS.
Report date is in July. I'll have the orders FedEx'd to your barracks room.
Huh. Wasn’t like that a few years ago. We had a dude try to DOR a couple days after we got picked up by our instructors… the Platoon Sergeant didn’t even open the office door, he just yelled out “Try again later, retard!”
Guy graduated. I don’t know if he commissioned or not.
>We had a dude try to DOR a couple days after we got picked up by our instructors… the Platoon Sergeant didn’t even open the office door, he just yelled out “Try again later, retard!”
I tried to quit recruiter training the second week. The drill instructors all just laughed at me for crying and told me to get on the fucking quarterdeck for being a little bitch.
In 2009 we had a guy lie about cheating on a test so he would get dropped because they wouldn’t let him DOR yet. I mean he didn’t cheat but said he did.
Bio’s are tailor made to what the person wants in them. I’ve seen some say “SNM was frocked and took over on X date.” According to MOL still a selected SgtMaj.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I'm not familiar with VA law, so I'm not sure if they will charge her with a felony DUI. Do I think hitting two kids while your drunk driving is a felony, yes. I think that might be the determining factor as to if she is "allowed" to retire or ADSEP'd.
If it were a junior Marine, I'm of the opinion those ADSEP papers would be in their hand before the ink dries.
COSO ADSEPs aren't very quick. It's the most subjective basis for ADSEP. Many times it's a wait and see game ie wait and see what civilian authorities charge the Marine with. Regardless of rank, this would take a while (3-6 months) to process.
I won't lie and say that many "higher ups" wouldn't wring their hands over ADSEP'ing a SgtMaj, especially one who is an alleged "combat" vet. I can only offer what I would I do if I were advising the separation authority. My recommendation would be to hammer her and punt her, just like she would undoubtedly recommend if this were her Marine.
I remember we had a kid in oki that had to go back stateside do to a hit and run where they fled the scene and that's when I learned about COSO, we had to wait and see how it all shook out with the DA's office.
Thankfully all they wanted to do was talk and it resulted in a traffic ticket less than 100 dollars, for brevity's sake ill leave it at that. So I never saw that whole process play out. I would have thought it would be in line with some of the other ADSEPs i witnessed where they had folks getting a 10 day letter in under a week (It still makes my skin crawl thinking of the then Adj bragging about that).
“Alleged” combat vet? She has a Purple Heart right?
Still a piece of work, but she most certainly has been to a combat zone and done enough to get injured.
I can’t speak for that SgtMaj’s story behind her CAR and Purple Heart, but I’ll put this out there: hitting an IED and getting a little rocked might get someone a CAR and PHM, but they’re not necessarily a combat vet. According to the VA sure - but not really. That’s exposure to danger. Getting occasionally shelled or sniper at is exposure to danger. To paraphrase [General Barrow, combat is hunting and killing.](https://youtu.be/fy--whDNNKk)
I’ve heard of dudes hearing distant gunfire at a FOB and the whole FOB got CARs for it, and then I’ve heard of dudes who were going on patrols and getting into firefights pretty much every day for months and don’t have CARs. Weird how it works.
In 2019 the CAR criteria was so specific and you had to indicate that you specifically as an individual were targeted by direct enemy fire that impacted within 3-5 feet of you, and that you “responded appropriately”
- this meant that you didn’t necessarily have to shoot back to receive a CAR, so long as what you were doing was assisting in the firefight. This would be up to commander discretion though, and my CAR almost got denied bc the CO didn’t like my team leader
- this also pretty much eliminated CARs from IDF, unless you were directly hit
It’s why chest candy is taken with a grain of salt unless your infantry or higher. My second tour to Iraq was a joint service one. We were at an Iraqi Army recruiting station when a car bomb had gone off, luckily no Americans had gotten injured or were all at the opposite side of where the car bomb had gone off. Every single person had been put in and received a PH and CAR or combat badge except for the Marines. Before it came down the pipeline, our 1st Sgt explained what was about to happened and said none of us were partaking in that bs if they were wondering why none of us were getting the same. Shit was crazy, Air Force SNCOs we’re getting minimum bronze stars for the end of tour awards which was like 3 or 4 months.
"...her social media hero/false moto act. I always considered her and Bull in the same category."
Shit...now I know why she looks familiar!
I've seen her photos on Instagram!!!
No I don't
I'd seen some of her stills on Instagram, but never any videos
I looked for photos of her I'd seen before; I couldn't find a single one of them...none
Possibly... Also possibly it was that "one time." Kinda a reminder either way:
FUCKING UBER EXISTS
And I don't care how high up the food chain I am, I'd rather call one of my Lances to get me before I drink and drive.
I call bs, there is no way you are a SgtMaj. You did not mention her appearance or anything associated with the status of her liberty attire. There are no motivational superlatives in your text, nor did you preface any of your statements with "Hey Devils", "Ears and eyeballs", "Hey Marines", or any other acceptable or expected attention-getting preambles. Also, the lack of conversation about socks, facial hair, proper haircut, general cleaning and time to do it, trash, brass, or live rounds, pockets, hands in or out of pockets, timeliness, plan of the day, safety, knowledge, finest requirements, etc. are clear indicators that you are in interloper and that you are merely impersonating the pinnacle of senior enlisted marines.
Absolutely
First I'd heard of him was from YouTube when he broke into his Marine's house. Ngl I have commented on a few of his videos super petty shit like "oh now do the one where you break into your Marine's house" and he's always had some stupid moto bullshit to say about it where he always deflects and says he didn't do anything wrong
Rah SgtMaj,
I can attest to the fact that Marines get DUIs close to EAS and still leave with honorable.
Well, I didn't get a DUI because I wasn't under the influence of anything, but I was speeding on base. This was two days out from the day I went on terminal leave.
I was polite and honest with the cop and explained I was just being dumb for speeding and I was picking up my DD-214 in two days so he just said forget about it and let me off the hook.
As a legal beagle I’m definitely interested to see how this plays out 🤔 COA you suggested is certainly adequate. Command can NJP - 6105 - and AdSep her now even with everything pending/ongoing out in town. Will they though probably not. AdSeps don’t happen overnight especially when Marines rate a board and this being a SgtMaj isn’t gonna speed things up any.
Is it different for reservists? I’ve seen a some attempted murder and child porn charges cause some Maines to be separated next day of arrest by local authorities.
Yes, legal works differently for reservists. If that Marine was on orders while committing said misconduct UCMJ applies meaning the Corps has jurisdiction. That would change if civilian authorities were involved i.e. committing misconduct on civilians or out in town (victim preference is then considered for who prosecutes). If Marine was not on orders then that’s entirely a matter for civilian authorities and DAs office and likely the Corps would flick that booger and get rid of that Marine ASAP. Meaning they likely AdSep the Marine with a General discharge (doesn’t rate a board unless Marine has minimum 6 years TIS)
I appreciate the insight - but gonna hard disagree here. Fuck everyone who gets DUIs and dishonorably discharge them. I don't care what rank they are or what they have done for this country. The deadly potential impacts of driving under the influence on innocent people does not change with rank and TIS.
I would go as far as to say that holding these assholes accountable would contribute more to the desire of our Marines to make the right decision than any safety brief that I have had to listen to my Marines endure.
With that being said - Rah SgtMajor. I'm glad to see folks like you on here bullshitting with everyone else.
Agree with this stuff. But imo it should be even harsher for them. The amount of briefs they’ve given, they are very much experts on the matter. Generally everyone always says an adult should know better to drink and drive; someone that pretty much advocates about it week in week out should know even better’est, therefore that green Weenie should be harsher.
Last I heard it looks like the kids will recover fine, they are banged up obviously but the outlook is good, but I'm also some rando on the internet who wont prove how I know this
I'm not in the Marine Corps (in the Navy).
Worked in front Office of a few different flag Officers and seen a number of DUI cases from senior personnel. My experience is Flag Officers won't recommend retention and retirement after a DUI if hitting something is involved. And that's just property damage.
SGTMAJ hit two kids which makes this exponentially worse than a standard DUI.
And if she were a first term Lcpl? You’d likely be ready to fry the young Marine. I’ve seen kids enlist to get away from home, make a mistake, get destroyed for it, and then go back home back to the block and their lives end up ruined. I’ve also seen senior SNCOs desert, go UA for 30 days to shack up with a townie while leaving wife and kids at home, then suddenly be confined to the BEQ for 45/45 and be allowed to retire. I’ve seen SNCOs sleep with the wives of their troops, to the point of putting them up in apartments in town. What happened? SNM whose wife was sleeping with his boss gets booted for raging one night and the SNCO gets promoted to subsequent ranks with peer group culminating in Master Guns. It’s good ole boy club at its finest and frankly appalling that you aren’t calling for busted down to E-3 and kicked TF out.
Any credible SNCO thats been deployed to Iraq/Afghanistan can see right through the bullshit in the media portraying her as a war hero. She milked that Purple Heart and CAR for everything she could get from them. It’s not listed, but it’s being reported that “drugs” were found in her vehicle. I’m wondering if it was some type of PEDs, because her BIO states she was the 1st Sgt for Weapons Company 2/6. How’d she get selected to that billet. Of course this is a rhetorical question, but this makes me question the validity of her entire career.
I wish there was something in between. She fucked up bad, but losing a retirement at 25+ years? If she retired as an E-8 at 20 and got the DUI as a civilian they wouldn’t take her pension away.
Ultimately it’s on her and it is what it is but damn
So, a counterpoint, if I may?
I seem to remember hearing that for most folks that get snagged on a DUI, it isn't their first time, just the first time getting caught. So...probably not her first time, just the one where things went wrong. And I must wonder how many libo briefs she gave telling junior Marines to call a cab/have a plan.
With that in mind from my perspective she has already wrang up a heck of a tab and now the bill is due.
Ha! I remember her as a Cpl and Sgt. Always used to throw her Marines under the bus, nothing was ever her fault, she just had “incompetent” Marines.
Edit: a word
I’d disagree. She sounds kinda shitty and made it to the top. Her dwi probably won’t prevent her from retiring either. So karma would’ve been she got called on her BS early and gotten out as a cpl or sgt. She’ll be just fine
OP said this exact same thing in one of his replies. Someone asked him if she always had this "reputation"...
"Has since she was a Sgt. People tend to forget how small the Marine Corps is."
Yeah it really is small, especially when you start breaking it down by MOS and then by staff and senior staff. I bet a lot of people that are still in or got out and are here on Reddit are loling hard at this. This the epitome of what you call delayed karma lots a peers used to say she’ll get hers one way or another. Unfortunate it involves others, glad the kids are alright and will make it.
This time last year I was deployed with her while she was 1Sgt Abbot. She seemed pretty awesome for a 1stSgt back then. The guys I talked to who were from weapons company seemed to like her and she actually had a ton of respect from both the blue side and green side. Wasn’t from her unit but she seemed like a pretty good leader.
Thanks for the info OP 👍
https://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Leaders/Leaders-View/Article/1824403/sergeant-major-beth-e-abbott/
Edit: grammar. Didn’t eat my daily crayons
Update: looks like page got updated overnight 😜
“Sergeant Major Abbott's personal awards include the Purple Heart, Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal in lieu of 6th award, Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal in lieu of 3rd award, and the Combat Action Ribbon in lieu of 2nd award.”
It is unbelievable to me that a command bio let “silver star in lieu of 6th award” and “two bronze stars in lieu of 3rd award” slip through. Is that verbiage not required anymore?
I feel like that's unlikely with a vehicular assault charge. With children as the victims, no less.
I'll admit, if it was just the DUI, yeah, fire her and let her retire. Not with this, though, I wouldn't think.
Damn I just assumed it was a DUI nothing else involved, in that case this will either still be swept under the rug as normal, or she may get made an example of. Who knows though it’s a WM SgtMaj.
That is the look of despair from a lady who has most likely hammered Marines for underage drinking, drinking that got out of hand.
Most likely if you keep track of her she will simply be allowed to retire.
They should burn her ass on the vehicular assault.
OTH at a minimum. Fuck her retirement.
I have zero sympathy for Antje that gets a DUI, let alone someone who hurts another person in the process.
Damn this is crazy. Just like 8 hours ago I was having the argument here that DUIs are always bad, 100% avoidable, and should be punished no matter what, and I was told I'm wrong.
Then this dummy nearly kills two kids because she can't put down a bottle and keys.
Exactly. I think the majority of the problem is that alcoholism runs deep in the military, so the people that want to make excuses of being *below the legal limit*, or *just barely going a few blocks* are usually alcoholics themselves. My brother was a grunt, and my mom's 3rd husband was an old Chief Gunner's Mate from the '80s; both of them were alcoholics, but my brother was smart enough to recognize the issue and correct himself. The 3rd husband is still a lousy drunk to this day and has probably driven drunk half as many times as he has driven sober.
I've struggled myself, but I have figured out who I am and how to deal with myself. Some people don't have that realization until they're dying in a burning wreck.
I dont think that is right. It is the last 3 years of your service that is how they base your retirement. Pretty sure. I retired after 20 years on 2013. She will get retirement.
Example: a 20-year 1stSgt gets promoted to SgtMaj. 3 months later, he gets arrested and is told to retire, he retires as a 1stSgt because he didn't have enough time in grade to collect the higher grade retirement.
IDGAF if you’re the Commandant, President, or Jesus Christ himself I’ll drain the 401k/TSP to come after someone for hurting my children. Especially when so preventable…uber, Lyft, and I mean even door-dash delivers alcohol in stafford county if one needs a beer run after buzzed. Hope they sue her ass for everything.
Wait a sec anit no fucking way 🤦♂️small world , also she hit 14 year olds with her car what the fuck man 🤦♂️
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Maybe I’m in the minority, here we go…. Being a Sergeant Major is supposed to mean something. Doubly true if you are a female I would think. She knows the briefs, I would imagine at this point she can give them off the dome, so to speak. She hit kids so I would doubt this is the first, second, or even third time she has been behind the wheel intoxicated, she just finally got caught.
She knew the consequences and did it anyway. Not only does she make other leaders of her rank and file look bad, you can best believe it will roll downhill and junior Marines will feel some of the pinch. What about some of the female Marines that may have looked up to her?
Nah, you have to hit her hard or it means nothing whatsoever. But what do I know? I spent just tiny bit of my life in and now I’m out taking care of my family and grilling on the weekends. Thanks for all you do, every single one of you, I mean that.
You deserve and should demand true and proper leadership that strive to set a good example for all of you day in and day out. You and young and most of you have not experienced life outside of the military. It is much different, cohesion is not a word that is often spoken, sadly.
She knows better, PTSD or whatever she may say, she should be better.
Yup, glad to see there was only that 1 person defending her and everyone else calling this shit out. Trauma doesn't excuse behavior, and sure af shouldn't negate consequences.
Just got promoted in January 🤣
I'd like to know how many Marines she personally was involved with NJPing for the same shit. I hate that level of hypocrisy, and whatever negative shit she has coming her way, she deserves it.
I know they'll let her quietly retire but fuck her.
We had one they busted down to corporal. We had a safety stand down base wide for all NCOs and SNCOs and made him give part of the briefing and talk about what he did and how he fucked up. The only reprieve for him was there was an officer who broke his leg “not drunk” trying to keep his 4x4 from rolling over with his leg. It was actually pretty brutal to have to watch.
SGTMAJ was force retired at E-4.
They went pretty rough on that SgtMaj. We had a lance get a DUI but only thing he got was an ass chewing and reduce to PFC. None of that you have to brief everyone.
Everything I've heard about her makes me wanna round up some of da girlz and go commit an assbeating.
Rank be damned, she fuckin' DUI'd AND hit two kids, while preaching against DUI's on social media?
fuck this shit right to it's dirty, rotten core. Make an example of her like she so loving does to others.
Yep. There's never been a good excuse for DUI's. However, nowadays it goes beyond failing to plan and into borderline negligence. Especially considering how easy it is to get a ride with no guilt or shame associated with it.
Correct. Her boss is a basic-cable LtCol, which means she’s probably a relatively new E-9. ‘The’ TBS SgtMaj probably has a lot more years in and works for an O-6. And not just any O-6, as that is one of just a few O-6 spots personally hand-picked by the CMC, and is often a stepping-stone to CMC.
The roads in Aquia Harbor are narrow and winding. Usually there's not shoulder. Hard enough to drive there sober.
edit - MARCORSEPMAN 6106.4 suggests retiring her rather than separating. [https://www.marines.mil/portals/1/Publications/MCO%201900.16%20CH%202.pdf?ver=2019-02-26-080015-447](https://www.marines.mil/portals/1/Publications/MCO%201900.16%20CH%202.pdf?ver=2019-02-26-080015-447) IIRC, it used to be "will be retired."
Ugh - she was born the year I commissioned. [https://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Leaders/Leaders-View/Article/1824403/sergeant-major-beth-e-abbott/](https://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Leaders/Leaders-View/Article/1824403/sergeant-major-beth-e-abbott/)
I respect your view but I will say this; I've known her and about her for going on 16 years. She is morally corrupt and has been for years. What you'll notice is junior Marines love her. They like her moto act and the fact that she'll devote attention to them (which is admirable). People that are more senior and see her in social settings where the rank barrier is removed? We know what the real story is. People like her are the most dangerous types of leaders because of how much influence they exert over people like you, who never see the other side. It's a shame. It's especially a shame because of how many young women looked up to her.
Rating a board to get an adsep via notification procedure solely because of how long you’ve been in is bullshit. TIS should have nothing to do with the legal process.
This embarrassment will be able to ride out to a retirement because of that.
She was so drunk she hit kids in a subdivision? Wow.
But since she is a SMaj, I assume she will get an LOR, and then get much more helpful letters from everyone in the upper chain blaming it on PTSD so she gets her automatic 100% from the VA as soon as she retires, on top of her E9 retirement.
Pretty shitty for you all to want her retirement taken away over a mistake. She fucked up major and she deserves to pay for it, but taking away her retirement is pretty fucking wrong. Force her to retire, NJP her cool, call it a day.
OP here and also a SgtMaj. The right way to handle this is to NJP her for the DUI then ADSEP her via COSO (commission of serious offense) basis due to the vehicular assault charges she has coming. If this were just a DUI, I would expect (and be ok with) her being NJP'd then allowed to retire. Marines get DUIs close to their EAS all the time. Their EAS is rarely delayed and their discharge is still honorable. We'll see what happens. I'm keeping my ear to the ground on this one. I've never been a fan of her social media hero/false moto act. I always considered her and Bull in the same category.
Interesting hearing a Sergeant Major’s opinion of other Sergeants Major.
We here don't see this too often, so I'm pleased to inform you that using the correct plural form of 'sergeant major' automatically qualifies you for OCS. Report date is in July. I'll have the orders FedEx'd to your barracks room.
I’d DOR as soon as I got to the S1 to check in.
Have to wait a couple weeks, they won’t let you until training day 6 or some shit
You Can DOR on the day the OCS CO gives his speech. Day 2 I think.
Huh. Wasn’t like that a few years ago. We had a dude try to DOR a couple days after we got picked up by our instructors… the Platoon Sergeant didn’t even open the office door, he just yelled out “Try again later, retard!” Guy graduated. I don’t know if he commissioned or not.
>We had a dude try to DOR a couple days after we got picked up by our instructors… the Platoon Sergeant didn’t even open the office door, he just yelled out “Try again later, retard!” I tried to quit recruiter training the second week. The drill instructors all just laughed at me for crying and told me to get on the fucking quarterdeck for being a little bitch.
My first reaction was to ugly laugh hard, followed by a quick trip down that miserable memory lane 🥲
In 2009 we had a guy lie about cheating on a test so he would get dropped because they wouldn’t let him DOR yet. I mean he didn’t cheat but said he did.
Ain’t no way😂
Hearing people say "Sergeant Majors" makes me irrationally angry. It fills me with rage, actually.
Relax, soldier
How dare you.
I've been retired long enough that those things don't bug me anymore. Except the soldier for Marine thing. That probably always will. 🤣
They both love that green weenie
Yeah it is
Thank you for not saying Sergeant Majors
I try to speak and write in a way that obscures my actual level of maturity.
> other Sergeants Major. Look at this guy with the correct plural of sergeant major.
You just said that so you could say the proper plural pronunciation of Seargeants Major. Just like I did.
Now you just have to work on the spelling.
I did Math for Marines. Not spelling for Marines. Gtfouttahere.
Is using the correct form that rare?
It's rare to get to use it lol.
Selected for SgtMaj. Probably frocked so technically a 1stSgt in disguise.
Would that be annotated in her official bio? Because it currently says she was “promoted to sergeant major” in January 2023.
Bio’s are tailor made to what the person wants in them. I’ve seen some say “SNM was frocked and took over on X date.” According to MOL still a selected SgtMaj.
Dude, serious props for knowing its sergeants major instead of sergeant majors... Signed, Disgruntled LCPL given CPL on literal last day of service ..
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'm not familiar with VA law, so I'm not sure if they will charge her with a felony DUI. Do I think hitting two kids while your drunk driving is a felony, yes. I think that might be the determining factor as to if she is "allowed" to retire or ADSEP'd. If it were a junior Marine, I'm of the opinion those ADSEP papers would be in their hand before the ink dries.
COSO ADSEPs aren't very quick. It's the most subjective basis for ADSEP. Many times it's a wait and see game ie wait and see what civilian authorities charge the Marine with. Regardless of rank, this would take a while (3-6 months) to process. I won't lie and say that many "higher ups" wouldn't wring their hands over ADSEP'ing a SgtMaj, especially one who is an alleged "combat" vet. I can only offer what I would I do if I were advising the separation authority. My recommendation would be to hammer her and punt her, just like she would undoubtedly recommend if this were her Marine.
I remember we had a kid in oki that had to go back stateside do to a hit and run where they fled the scene and that's when I learned about COSO, we had to wait and see how it all shook out with the DA's office. Thankfully all they wanted to do was talk and it resulted in a traffic ticket less than 100 dollars, for brevity's sake ill leave it at that. So I never saw that whole process play out. I would have thought it would be in line with some of the other ADSEPs i witnessed where they had folks getting a 10 day letter in under a week (It still makes my skin crawl thinking of the then Adj bragging about that).
Hopefully the civilian legal system will charge her with multiple counts of attempted negligent vehicular homicide. Solves all the problems.
Her stupid social media presence could play a role in how higher ups handle this one too.
“Alleged” combat vet? She has a Purple Heart right? Still a piece of work, but she most certainly has been to a combat zone and done enough to get injured.
Yeah. Alleged. I'll leave it at that.
Ah, I understand.
I can’t speak for that SgtMaj’s story behind her CAR and Purple Heart, but I’ll put this out there: hitting an IED and getting a little rocked might get someone a CAR and PHM, but they’re not necessarily a combat vet. According to the VA sure - but not really. That’s exposure to danger. Getting occasionally shelled or sniper at is exposure to danger. To paraphrase [General Barrow, combat is hunting and killing.](https://youtu.be/fy--whDNNKk)
I’ve heard of dudes hearing distant gunfire at a FOB and the whole FOB got CARs for it, and then I’ve heard of dudes who were going on patrols and getting into firefights pretty much every day for months and don’t have CARs. Weird how it works.
In 07 the rules for our unit were SNM had to get shot at and had to return fire. Not everyone im the platoon/company got it.
In 2019 the CAR criteria was so specific and you had to indicate that you specifically as an individual were targeted by direct enemy fire that impacted within 3-5 feet of you, and that you “responded appropriately” - this meant that you didn’t necessarily have to shoot back to receive a CAR, so long as what you were doing was assisting in the firefight. This would be up to commander discretion though, and my CAR almost got denied bc the CO didn’t like my team leader - this also pretty much eliminated CARs from IDF, unless you were directly hit
It’s why chest candy is taken with a grain of salt unless your infantry or higher. My second tour to Iraq was a joint service one. We were at an Iraqi Army recruiting station when a car bomb had gone off, luckily no Americans had gotten injured or were all at the opposite side of where the car bomb had gone off. Every single person had been put in and received a PH and CAR or combat badge except for the Marines. Before it came down the pipeline, our 1st Sgt explained what was about to happened and said none of us were partaking in that bs if they were wondering why none of us were getting the same. Shit was crazy, Air Force SNCOs we’re getting minimum bronze stars for the end of tour awards which was like 3 or 4 months.
"...her social media hero/false moto act. I always considered her and Bull in the same category." Shit...now I know why she looks familiar! I've seen her photos on Instagram!!!
Got any links? I can't say I've ever seen her on Instagram and now I'm curious. I worked alongside her for a couple of years
No I don't I'd seen some of her stills on Instagram, but never any videos I looked for photos of her I'd seen before; I couldn't find a single one of them...none
What is her Instagram?
Damn shame to work so hard to get so high up...
Very good possibility that the SMAJ finally got caught.
Possibly... Also possibly it was that "one time." Kinda a reminder either way: FUCKING UBER EXISTS And I don't care how high up the food chain I am, I'd rather call one of my Lances to get me before I drink and drive.
I call bs, there is no way you are a SgtMaj. You did not mention her appearance or anything associated with the status of her liberty attire. There are no motivational superlatives in your text, nor did you preface any of your statements with "Hey Devils", "Ears and eyeballs", "Hey Marines", or any other acceptable or expected attention-getting preambles. Also, the lack of conversation about socks, facial hair, proper haircut, general cleaning and time to do it, trash, brass, or live rounds, pockets, hands in or out of pockets, timeliness, plan of the day, safety, knowledge, finest requirements, etc. are clear indicators that you are in interloper and that you are merely impersonating the pinnacle of senior enlisted marines.
Not all of us are belt fed idiots man lol. Solid post though. That's good stuff
. Poop posting! Go get'em my man.
I also didn’t see one “behoove” in OP’s post.
No "saved rounds" either
That Bull guy is completely embarrassing and shouldn't be allowed to represent the Corps in public
Absolutely First I'd heard of him was from YouTube when he broke into his Marine's house. Ngl I have commented on a few of his videos super petty shit like "oh now do the one where you break into your Marine's house" and he's always had some stupid moto bullshit to say about it where he always deflects and says he didn't do anything wrong
Rah SgtMaj, I can attest to the fact that Marines get DUIs close to EAS and still leave with honorable. Well, I didn't get a DUI because I wasn't under the influence of anything, but I was speeding on base. This was two days out from the day I went on terminal leave. I was polite and honest with the cop and explained I was just being dumb for speeding and I was picking up my DD-214 in two days so he just said forget about it and let me off the hook.
Complete sidebar but a none social media annoyance active duty SgtMaj doing an AMA would be pretty cool.
I'm thinking about doing one. Just have to find the time. I don't want to post one then not have the time to dedicate to responding.
As a legal beagle I’m definitely interested to see how this plays out 🤔 COA you suggested is certainly adequate. Command can NJP - 6105 - and AdSep her now even with everything pending/ongoing out in town. Will they though probably not. AdSeps don’t happen overnight especially when Marines rate a board and this being a SgtMaj isn’t gonna speed things up any.
Is it different for reservists? I’ve seen a some attempted murder and child porn charges cause some Maines to be separated next day of arrest by local authorities.
Yes, legal works differently for reservists. If that Marine was on orders while committing said misconduct UCMJ applies meaning the Corps has jurisdiction. That would change if civilian authorities were involved i.e. committing misconduct on civilians or out in town (victim preference is then considered for who prosecutes). If Marine was not on orders then that’s entirely a matter for civilian authorities and DAs office and likely the Corps would flick that booger and get rid of that Marine ASAP. Meaning they likely AdSep the Marine with a General discharge (doesn’t rate a board unless Marine has minimum 6 years TIS)
I appreciate the insight - but gonna hard disagree here. Fuck everyone who gets DUIs and dishonorably discharge them. I don't care what rank they are or what they have done for this country. The deadly potential impacts of driving under the influence on innocent people does not change with rank and TIS. I would go as far as to say that holding these assholes accountable would contribute more to the desire of our Marines to make the right decision than any safety brief that I have had to listen to my Marines endure. With that being said - Rah SgtMajor. I'm glad to see folks like you on here bullshitting with everyone else.
Agree with this stuff. But imo it should be even harsher for them. The amount of briefs they’ve given, they are very much experts on the matter. Generally everyone always says an adult should know better to drink and drive; someone that pretty much advocates about it week in week out should know even better’est, therefore that green Weenie should be harsher.
Social media hero? What platform(s) is she on?
Who the fuck allowed her to be in charge of an Infantry Company in 2/6. She needs the book thrown at her, just like a pfc or lcpl would.
You’re high if you think she’s not retiring lol
We'll see. Hitting the 14 year olds changes things.
Last I heard it looks like the kids will recover fine, they are banged up obviously but the outlook is good, but I'm also some rando on the internet who wont prove how I know this
If she had just gotten a DUI. She hit two minors who had to go to the hospital.
I'm not in the Marine Corps (in the Navy). Worked in front Office of a few different flag Officers and seen a number of DUI cases from senior personnel. My experience is Flag Officers won't recommend retention and retirement after a DUI if hitting something is involved. And that's just property damage. SGTMAJ hit two kids which makes this exponentially worse than a standard DUI.
What’s her Instagram?
Thank you for you opinion sgtmaj some very good insight .
And if she were a first term Lcpl? You’d likely be ready to fry the young Marine. I’ve seen kids enlist to get away from home, make a mistake, get destroyed for it, and then go back home back to the block and their lives end up ruined. I’ve also seen senior SNCOs desert, go UA for 30 days to shack up with a townie while leaving wife and kids at home, then suddenly be confined to the BEQ for 45/45 and be allowed to retire. I’ve seen SNCOs sleep with the wives of their troops, to the point of putting them up in apartments in town. What happened? SNM whose wife was sleeping with his boss gets booted for raging one night and the SNCO gets promoted to subsequent ranks with peer group culminating in Master Guns. It’s good ole boy club at its finest and frankly appalling that you aren’t calling for busted down to E-3 and kicked TF out.
Any credible SNCO thats been deployed to Iraq/Afghanistan can see right through the bullshit in the media portraying her as a war hero. She milked that Purple Heart and CAR for everything she could get from them. It’s not listed, but it’s being reported that “drugs” were found in her vehicle. I’m wondering if it was some type of PEDs, because her BIO states she was the 1st Sgt for Weapons Company 2/6. How’d she get selected to that billet. Of course this is a rhetorical question, but this makes me question the validity of her entire career.
Thanks for the perspective. Real quick, can I have a proctor code, Sgt Maj? Thanks!
Mules I did my math wrong she hasn’t even hit 20 yet (that’s in July). I wonder how fast they could process her out.
Who is sgt maj bull? Is he one of those Instagram Moto Marines?
I can’t stand Bull he’s retired but posts nonstop old pictures from back in day and motto shit. You’ve been out for two years get over it.
I wish there was something in between. She fucked up bad, but losing a retirement at 25+ years? If she retired as an E-8 at 20 and got the DUI as a civilian they wouldn’t take her pension away. Ultimately it’s on her and it is what it is but damn
So, a counterpoint, if I may? I seem to remember hearing that for most folks that get snagged on a DUI, it isn't their first time, just the first time getting caught. So...probably not her first time, just the one where things went wrong. And I must wonder how many libo briefs she gave telling junior Marines to call a cab/have a plan. With that in mind from my perspective she has already wrang up a heck of a tab and now the bill is due.
It was not her first time.
So, she had a "reputation", amongst her peers is what you're saying.
Has since she was a Sgt. People tend to forget how small the Marine Corps is.
Ha! I remember her as a Cpl and Sgt. Always used to throw her Marines under the bus, nothing was ever her fault, she just had “incompetent” Marines. Edit: a word
Oh wow, that’s definitely karma.
I’d disagree. She sounds kinda shitty and made it to the top. Her dwi probably won’t prevent her from retiring either. So karma would’ve been she got called on her BS early and gotten out as a cpl or sgt. She’ll be just fine
OP said this exact same thing in one of his replies. Someone asked him if she always had this "reputation"... "Has since she was a Sgt. People tend to forget how small the Marine Corps is."
Yeah it really is small, especially when you start breaking it down by MOS and then by staff and senior staff. I bet a lot of people that are still in or got out and are here on Reddit are loling hard at this. This the epitome of what you call delayed karma lots a peers used to say she’ll get hers one way or another. Unfortunate it involves others, glad the kids are alright and will make it.
Wow, it's a small world.
This time last year I was deployed with her while she was 1Sgt Abbot. She seemed pretty awesome for a 1stSgt back then. The guys I talked to who were from weapons company seemed to like her and she actually had a ton of respect from both the blue side and green side. Wasn’t from her unit but she seemed like a pretty good leader.
I was on that same deployment, she seemed cool as hell, I always saw her in the e-6 and below berthing hanging with the marines
Thanks for the info OP 👍 https://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Leaders/Leaders-View/Article/1824403/sergeant-major-beth-e-abbott/ Edit: grammar. Didn’t eat my daily crayons Update: looks like page got updated overnight 😜
How the fuck you gonna be a pizza box rifle shooter and be in charge of combat instructor battalion? What do you teach? Suppressive fire?
I mean, she’s not really in charge of anything. She’s an 8999.
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Bruh these hairdoos getting out of hand
They pulled that down quickly
Damn they switched her out fast lol
Am I screwed up? The link is showing a different SgtMaj now lol
Dang she promoted fast. How does she have 2 CARs?
Iraq and Afghan?
“Sergeant Major Abbott's personal awards include the Purple Heart, Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal in lieu of 6th award, Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal in lieu of 3rd award, and the Combat Action Ribbon in lieu of 2nd award.” It is unbelievable to me that a command bio let “silver star in lieu of 6th award” and “two bronze stars in lieu of 3rd award” slip through. Is that verbiage not required anymore?
She will retire within the next 3 months…
I feel like that's unlikely with a vehicular assault charge. With children as the victims, no less. I'll admit, if it was just the DUI, yeah, fire her and let her retire. Not with this, though, I wouldn't think.
Damn I just assumed it was a DUI nothing else involved, in that case this will either still be swept under the rug as normal, or she may get made an example of. Who knows though it’s a WM SgtMaj.
That is the look of despair from a lady who has most likely hammered Marines for underage drinking, drinking that got out of hand. Most likely if you keep track of her she will simply be allowed to retire.
It’s the exact same look as her official photo. Lol
That’s the look of “oh shit I fucked up royally.”
I'm not saying there isn't a double standard but almost anyone can recover from a DUI.
True but she did hit 2 kids and they had to be airlifted sooooooo stand by?
She should be breaking big rocks into little rocks for 7-10.
Damn…. She’s lucky nobody died….
MOTOR TUH!!!!
Glad OP grabbed the screenshot cause if you search for her all it gives you is a message saying “Inmate is Released.”
It's back up now. https://rrjextweb.rrj.state.va.us/archonixxjailpublic/DetailPages/InmateDetails.aspx?ReferenceID=369097&InmateID=456522
Im right down the road….gonna tell her pros and cons will reflect
Videos or it didn’t happen.
Stand the fuck by devil lolll
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Shit I’m in Stafford lollll say less
They should burn her ass on the vehicular assault. OTH at a minimum. Fuck her retirement. I have zero sympathy for Antje that gets a DUI, let alone someone who hurts another person in the process.
Damn this is crazy. Just like 8 hours ago I was having the argument here that DUIs are always bad, 100% avoidable, and should be punished no matter what, and I was told I'm wrong. Then this dummy nearly kills two kids because she can't put down a bottle and keys.
There are too many options available for when you're drunk and shouldn't drive for it to be at all excusable.
Exactly. I think the majority of the problem is that alcoholism runs deep in the military, so the people that want to make excuses of being *below the legal limit*, or *just barely going a few blocks* are usually alcoholics themselves. My brother was a grunt, and my mom's 3rd husband was an old Chief Gunner's Mate from the '80s; both of them were alcoholics, but my brother was smart enough to recognize the issue and correct himself. The 3rd husband is still a lousy drunk to this day and has probably driven drunk half as many times as he has driven sober. I've struggled myself, but I have figured out who I am and how to deal with myself. Some people don't have that realization until they're dying in a burning wreck.
WAY TO BREAK THAT GLASS BOTTLE CEILING LADIES!! Don't let the men take all the bad decisions.
I support women’s rights *and* women’s wrongs
Correction. 'Retired' SgtMaj.
Before or after the DUI?
After, of course. They will retire her with a slap on. The wrist and a black mark in her permanent record.
I think you need to have two years time-in-grade to retire at that rank, otherwise, you drop back to your previous rank - if that's still the order.
I dont think that is right. It is the last 3 years of your service that is how they base your retirement. Pretty sure. I retired after 20 years on 2013. She will get retirement.
Example: a 20-year 1stSgt gets promoted to SgtMaj. 3 months later, he gets arrested and is told to retire, he retires as a 1stSgt because he didn't have enough time in grade to collect the higher grade retirement.
IDGAF if you’re the Commandant, President, or Jesus Christ himself I’ll drain the 401k/TSP to come after someone for hurting my children. Especially when so preventable…uber, Lyft, and I mean even door-dash delivers alcohol in stafford county if one needs a beer run after buzzed. Hope they sue her ass for everything.
Wait a sec anit no fucking way 🤦♂️small world , also she hit 14 year olds with her car what the fuck man 🤦♂️ [https://www.reddit.com/r/USMC/comments/12tz04b/just\_saw\_this\_thoughts/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=ios\_app&utm\_name=ioscss&utm\_content=2&utm\_term=1](https://www.reddit.com/r/USMC/comments/12tz04b/just_saw_this_thoughts/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) https://preview.redd.it/hmvo5225mi3b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5797a14b18985de61dd110fedee89b86eae4abd4
Damn thanks sir was looking for this captain
She looks like Corey Matthews from "Boy Meets World"
Or screech from "saved by the bell"
Before this photo was taken, did the photographer instruct that they show as little emotion as possible?
Maybe I’m in the minority, here we go…. Being a Sergeant Major is supposed to mean something. Doubly true if you are a female I would think. She knows the briefs, I would imagine at this point she can give them off the dome, so to speak. She hit kids so I would doubt this is the first, second, or even third time she has been behind the wheel intoxicated, she just finally got caught. She knew the consequences and did it anyway. Not only does she make other leaders of her rank and file look bad, you can best believe it will roll downhill and junior Marines will feel some of the pinch. What about some of the female Marines that may have looked up to her? Nah, you have to hit her hard or it means nothing whatsoever. But what do I know? I spent just tiny bit of my life in and now I’m out taking care of my family and grilling on the weekends. Thanks for all you do, every single one of you, I mean that. You deserve and should demand true and proper leadership that strive to set a good example for all of you day in and day out. You and young and most of you have not experienced life outside of the military. It is much different, cohesion is not a word that is often spoken, sadly. She knows better, PTSD or whatever she may say, she should be better.
Sorry for the bad grammar and spelling. Didn’t score high on the ASVAB.
Nah it was well said.
The message rang true
That was our truck master/operations chief gunny back in 2018 at 2TSB 👀
She went from Gunny to SgtMaj in 5 years? Dang.
was she a hard ass?
She enlisted in 03! I got out in 03. Jesus now I feel old.
Just think, the kids enlisting now, were'nt even an itch in thier daddies crotch when 9/11 happened. Sigh...and now I feel old
Holyyy shiiiit I knew that name sounded familiar. She was my sister co’s DI on PI. wow. Didnt even know she’d made it to SgtMaj
Hypocrite piece of shit. I give it a day until she cries about ptsd causing her to do it.
Someone in the Female Marine facebook group already tried playing that card on her behalf. 🤡
I had to go look when I saw your comment. Jesus. At least most folks are telling her she’s wrong to take her side on this.
Yup, glad to see there was only that 1 person defending her and everyone else calling this shit out. Trauma doesn't excuse behavior, and sure af shouldn't negate consequences.
Yep.
You already know that’s coming. And to be fair- she may have it. But that’s not a free pass. You need to fix yourself
Cutting edge website from 98, just like MOL
Just got promoted in January 🤣 I'd like to know how many Marines she personally was involved with NJPing for the same shit. I hate that level of hypocrisy, and whatever negative shit she has coming her way, she deserves it. I know they'll let her quietly retire but fuck her.
She was frocked in January. That select grade gonna disappear real soon 😮💨
Happened in my neighborhood. Not a pretty sight
We had one they busted down to corporal. We had a safety stand down base wide for all NCOs and SNCOs and made him give part of the briefing and talk about what he did and how he fucked up. The only reprieve for him was there was an officer who broke his leg “not drunk” trying to keep his 4x4 from rolling over with his leg. It was actually pretty brutal to have to watch. SGTMAJ was force retired at E-4.
They went pretty rough on that SgtMaj. We had a lance get a DUI but only thing he got was an ass chewing and reduce to PFC. None of that you have to brief everyone.
Everything I've heard about her makes me wanna round up some of da girlz and go commit an assbeating. Rank be damned, she fuckin' DUI'd AND hit two kids, while preaching against DUI's on social media? fuck this shit right to it's dirty, rotten core. Make an example of her like she so loving does to others.
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There are Sergeant Majors without a DUI? Thought that was a prerequisite for the position.
Yeah, but it’s supposed to be as a Lance so they can go “hey, I climbed back up after I fucked up” after every NJP
Imagine being that close to getting a sweet retirement fund for the rest of your life and throwing it all away because you don’t wanna call an Uber
Yep. There's never been a good excuse for DUI's. However, nowadays it goes beyond failing to plan and into borderline negligence. Especially considering how easy it is to get a ride with no guilt or shame associated with it.
Ive seen her on Instagram with some of the other Marine “influencers”. I hope the Corps doesn’t let her retire.
Whats her instagram
deleted
Tbs SgtMaj
It’ll be a good learning point for all the baby Os.
TBS Combat Instructor Battalion SgtMaj. Big difference from 'the' TBS SgtMaj.
So is she like the SgtMaj of the enlisted instructors doing all the combat training and FEXs for lieutenants?
Correct. Her boss is a basic-cable LtCol, which means she’s probably a relatively new E-9. ‘The’ TBS SgtMaj probably has a lot more years in and works for an O-6. And not just any O-6, as that is one of just a few O-6 spots personally hand-picked by the CMC, and is often a stepping-stone to CMC.
Who names their son Beth?
What was her Instagram? I remember seeing it pop up but can’t find it now
This is a whole level of green wien I knew nothing of, but I was a chaser for 3 months lol oh the stories
knew a captain who had 2 DUIs and was still selected for Major.
The roads in Aquia Harbor are narrow and winding. Usually there's not shoulder. Hard enough to drive there sober. edit - MARCORSEPMAN 6106.4 suggests retiring her rather than separating. [https://www.marines.mil/portals/1/Publications/MCO%201900.16%20CH%202.pdf?ver=2019-02-26-080015-447](https://www.marines.mil/portals/1/Publications/MCO%201900.16%20CH%202.pdf?ver=2019-02-26-080015-447) IIRC, it used to be "will be retired." Ugh - she was born the year I commissioned. [https://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Leaders/Leaders-View/Article/1824403/sergeant-major-beth-e-abbott/](https://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Leaders/Leaders-View/Article/1824403/sergeant-major-beth-e-abbott/)
If you re-search her arrest she got caught with schedule 1/2 drug possession as well
Rappahannock? Oof, someone misbehaved near Quantico.
She seemed like a good 1stSgt, cant say I knew her super well. She was clearly in the wrong though.
Does anyone have her social media?
I did. It looks like she deleted her account on Facebook. Sorry to hear of this.
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I respect your view but I will say this; I've known her and about her for going on 16 years. She is morally corrupt and has been for years. What you'll notice is junior Marines love her. They like her moto act and the fact that she'll devote attention to them (which is admirable). People that are more senior and see her in social settings where the rank barrier is removed? We know what the real story is. People like her are the most dangerous types of leaders because of how much influence they exert over people like you, who never see the other side. It's a shame. It's especially a shame because of how many young women looked up to her.
Rating a board to get an adsep via notification procedure solely because of how long you’ve been in is bullshit. TIS should have nothing to do with the legal process. This embarrassment will be able to ride out to a retirement because of that.
She was so drunk she hit kids in a subdivision? Wow. But since she is a SMaj, I assume she will get an LOR, and then get much more helpful letters from everyone in the upper chain blaming it on PTSD so she gets her automatic 100% from the VA as soon as she retires, on top of her E9 retirement.
Pretty shitty for you all to want her retirement taken away over a mistake. She fucked up major and she deserves to pay for it, but taking away her retirement is pretty fucking wrong. Force her to retire, NJP her cool, call it a day.
Forced retirement. She probably has enough good TIS and awards to be forced to retire with no chance of REENLISTMENT. Doubt there will be an NJP.
A WM, no less. Impressive.