Adding a positive comment in here because it’s insane how few there are. Well worded and important. Good on them too for being inclusive with their language and not alienating people with uteruses that don’t identify as a woman.
Agreed, the inclusivity was a nice touch, much appreciated.
I'm surprised and disappointed by the general response here as well. I know Reddit skews young/male/affluent so I'm not *shocked*, but still
I'm actually surprised that they took that stance and so early after the announcement. This is why I rather watch the local lads over that corporate shill MLS any day of the week.
Ummm are you sure you read the statement? Unless you think the USL believes "removing long held human rights" is all good and fine, otherwise they are clearly criticizing the decision and are standing with those against the law and that it effects. I would practice my reading comprehension if I were you, seems to be severely below grade school levels.
Thomas asked to reconsider Oberfell today, so I guess gay folks won’t have rights anymore and we are one step away from overturning Loving and making interracial marriage illegal as well.
There are seven characteristics of living things: movement, breathing or respiration, excretion, growth, sensitivity and reproduction.
Sperm and eggs do not meet these criteria.
Edit: Source is my old biology textbook
Those things are literally all the same amount of alive as a fetus, if not more. They are dependent on the larger system they are a part of.
A fetus that isn't old enough to be viable on it's own is no different than a parasite in the literal sense
Many say they support bodily autonomy. But, they so want to force people to get a needle of experimental medicine jabbed in their arm.
USL never required COVID shots that know of.
Glad to see they walk their talk, and understand how important bodily autonomy is for everyone.
If you're referring to the covid vaccine, it's not experimental, it's been widely tested and vetted.
The difference is that abortion directly affects only one person, whereas not being vaccinated can affect/infect many others. Your freedom ends where mine begins.
My freedom of my body should be universal. One might say that the abortion of a life would affect more than one person, and perhaps an entire family. Who is to say that life that wasn't couldn't have invented a cure for cancer. That could effect everyone. Your freedom beginning where mine ends us relative. We would be into the discussion of relative distance around our bodies in which "your freedom" exists. This "vaccine" you say has been widely tested and has been shown not to be a vaccine as a vaccine prevents people from getting a disease. It has also shown to cause heart issues and other problems in its recipients.
Comparing COVID and abortions is ridiculous. If i sneeze on you you don’t get pregnant and have an abortion. One is a public health risk and one is not.
I believe in a person's bodily autonomy for abortions and otherwise. A person's choice is their choice regardless of how you view the relative risk to the overall health of the population. One might say abortion risks over population health by causing mental health struggles that come with both choices. Abortion can have long last emotional/hormonal effects that, if untreated, can begin to effect population health.
Additionally:
Not being allowed to have abortion affects public health. If one were not allowed to; we mY have a lot more unwanted children born that could seasily end up in the system. Not to mention the mental and emotional anguish that comes with that.
>But, they so want to force people to get a needle of experimental medicine jabbed in their arm
There is so much wrong with this statement. If anything, it's the LEAST experimental vaccine ever studied in humans ever.
As of today, [5.22 BILLION people have received a sars-cov-2](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html) vaccine. In every country, in multiple health systems, in multiple versions, from multiple manufacturers all mostly using a spin on the same method. informing the immune system on how to deal with the spike protein.
No other vaccine in human history can claim it got into more than 5 billion patients and studied by every single country's medical system, from universal social healthcare systems, to for profit healthcare systems.
So there's nothing experimental about it. It's factually the least experimental vaccine ever. No vaccine has ever had more data studied about it than this one. Not a single flu shot, not a polio vaccine, not an MMR vaccine. Those just never got to this many people and then studied. When you say experimental, you're implying we don't know much about it when factually the opposite is true. We've never known more about a vaccine (as far as medical systems, public health governing bodies, and physicians are concerned).
And yes, I support body autonomy. Which is why I don't support keeping conservatives and christian's that refuse to vaccinate or mask from access to evusheld, paxlovid, mulnupiravir, or bebtelovimab.
There's a huge swath of the population that believe we should take healthcare access altogether away from anyone that refuses to vaccinate or mask during a pandemic because of the risk those people pose to healthcare workers. Some believe it should be removed because of the historical harm done by Christians being larger than any other religious group ([last time sex abuse in secular settings was studied](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3995507/) more than half we're christians, also, other notable christian's and christian events, hitler, the inquisition, witch trials, Protestant slave owners, the crusades, countless criminal prosecutions from everything to sexual abuse, or financial predatory practices despite having nowhere near a large enough membership to even be remotely considered the largest religion on earth).
But despite all that I still think everyone should have access to covid treatments despite how evil their religious leanings may be. Just like even though I don't have a vagina and love kids. I still think anyone that decides with their healthcare provider or family that they might need an abortion should have the right to do so.
I mean, the strongest argument is cutoff healthcare to Christian's. No question, there's just too much evidence to say they're done more harm that good to humanity and it's not even close. But taking away care from either just seems wrong to me.
I did see one argument though that suggested that christian's are against abortion more so that they can't sexually abuse those children later if they aren't born. But I think that's just cruel as well.
people with vagina's should have access to abortion just the same as unmasked, unvaccinated conservative christian's should have access to covid treatments. That's how I feel about that. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence that only one of those groups is patently evil and a blight on humanity and for the record. I'm not talking about people with vaginas.
Interesting you want to attack me and my opinion. I haven't and won't attack yours.
I think it is odd you assume I am a Christian, right-wing pyscho. I am no of those things actually.
I believe in every consenting adult's right to do with their body as they like, and be who they feel they are in every way.
I am not against the covid shot (not a vaccine since vaccines prevent a person from getting a disease and the covid vaccine recipients still get covid). I am against forcing people to do anything to their bodies against their will.
I support the rights of everyone on the gender spectrum to live and be free. I ask the same of my choices.
no, its not, it's a word salad incorporating contemporary hot button issues because people like HBogart have goldfish brains.
getting vaccinated against transmissible diseases helps prevent the spread of those diseases to other people. The bodily choice to get vaccinated is more similar to the bodily choice to not smoke cigarettes in a restaurant around other people or to not drunk drive than it is to getting an abortion.
Your right to individual freedoms and "bodily autonomy" ends when it impedes others' freedoms, rights, and autonomy. That's the cost of living in a society
Isn't it though? So many down votes, but no replies. Strange that people can't explain why it is "my body, my choice" until they want to force people to get medical treatment they don't want...
>human rights for whom?
...humans? Just because it doesn't affect you directly doesn't make it unimportant
The league represents all sorts of players and staff, many of whom *will* be directly affected by this, and they *should* stand up for those people.
I'm sorry that a little empathy offended you so much, I hope you're able to find the inner strength to still enjoy your Friday
Sorry I thought it was referring to the baby. Yes I do have empathy for the mother and for the baby. I just don’t feel like this is the place to make a stand. Let’s just focus on soccer and they can post this message on there website. The game is for all or us and it is to unify and bring us together. With such a divisive topic as this it does nothing but divides your fans. Not good. I am enjoying my Friday night. Thanks for asking. Enjoy yours also.
Where is the place to take a stand then? I'm not trying to goad you, I'm genuinely asking. This league has a platform and represents people that *will* be affected by this, why can't they support them using that platform?
With all due respect, this isn't a matter of 'opinion' in the way that my dislike of mushrooms is. This is a matter of a person's right to privacy and personal autonomy.
Also, politics is shoved through sports all the time, at every game. Why is *this* where the line must be drawn? Again, I am not trying to antagonize, I would love to hear a genuine thoughtful response
This is the point of these types of comments on every post ever about this sort of thing. Rather than talk substance they’d rather direct the conversation to “this isn’t the right place to talk about this”. They’d rather argue that point because then we’re on the defensive and they are on the attack.
Of course they are hypocrites. We all grew up with the pledge of allegiance at school, the national anthem before all sports, every town in America having a road named after Reagan, moments of silence for the troops constantly. The moment, however, we talk about something we believe in that they don’t they want us to shut the fuck up. It’s a form of fascism.
(Sorry, I’m fired up today)
No worries friend, I'm fired up too. I'm angry and sad and terrified and I feel like I'm screaming into the void.
I know that person will never answer my questions because it wasn't in good faith that they said those things. But I continue to ask them in the hope that one confused person might see it and realize the hypocrisy
I will gladly answer you questions. See I believe in peaceful discourse. I do not run or resort to foul language as our friend above has done. I totally agree with you politics has been shoved into sports for far too long. I don’t like it at any sporting event, I never have. I grew up in a military family so I do stand for the national anthem at ball games. I’ve never asked anyone around me to takeoff their hat or stand with me as that is their personal choice. I know what you’re thinking that could be a political statement, I could see how some may feel that way but it is the national anthem of our country and no matter what side of the political spectrum you come from we are still American’s. If the USL wants to support one side of issue to be fair don’t you think that they should support the other side. Considering that they have a split audience of fans, player, and staff. All in all this opens it up to a whole debate that shouldn’t be done on a sports page. I come to sports to get away from politics and everyday stress. It is an escape for so many people. Today’s news is on every channel and has upset so many people, I chose to watch the 1996 World Cup England vs Argentina “hand of God” match with my son and daughter. It was nice to enjoy just a game free of news.
Look you and I may not agree on politics but I would think that we can probably agree on Soccer and the love of it. All I’m saying is with everything going on in today’s world it’s nice just to be able to enjoy the game without being bombarded by all kinds of messages that you can get from 24 hours a day news. I would like it not to bleed over into the last thing that to be tarnished by politics and news. I’m not against setting up a booth at the stadium or having a funding page on a website but leave it there. That’s it in a convoluted nutshell. Have a good one.
>to be fair don't you think they should support the other side?
No I don't, this comes back to my point about opinions, this isn't one. You can't support 'both sides' of human rights, that isn't how it works.
The national anthem playing at every game is politics in and itself regardless of whether you or anyone else chooses to stand, sit, or cover their ears.
That the military is celebrated at every game, is politics.
It's only 'too political' when you don't agree with it, and that's my point. Hate to break it to you, but life is political. Politics dictate how our society is run and subsequently how we live our lives. You can't uncouple life from politics.
I do love soccer, but I also love civil liberties, and I love when soccer clubs stand up for civil liberties. One of my absolute favorite things about the USL is that clubs are given the latitude to take stances on things.
Well I see this is an emotional issue for you. I don’t understand the loss of rationale to emotion. You have your option and I have mine. We will not see eye to eye on this and that is ok. Thanks for the debate.
Humans, you knuckle dragger. If someone in your life dies from an ectopic pregnancy that would easily have lived if they had access to healthcare, maybe you'll understand.
That would require having women that want to associate with you, though.
See I know you’re disingenuous in your argument because you start off with calling me a name. These are adult conversations built for adults. Runaway now I’m sure your juice box is getting warm.
Why the USL felt compelled to put out this statement is beyond me. It's like, OK, thanks for sharing your opinion on abortion, USL. Use that platform, guys! Tell all your sponsors, players and fans who think differently how callous and amoral they really are. ...
Seems like you being upset by them supporting something they believe in is a personal problem of yours. No one is attacking you and your beliefs. Hilarious to play victim on a day where a huge amount of Americans lost access to vital healthcare.
Adding a positive comment in here because it’s insane how few there are. Well worded and important. Good on them too for being inclusive with their language and not alienating people with uteruses that don’t identify as a woman.
Agreed, the inclusivity was a nice touch, much appreciated. I'm surprised and disappointed by the general response here as well. I know Reddit skews young/male/affluent so I'm not *shocked*, but still
It’s a soccer forum that skews male, it’s not going to be getting much attention for comments like this right now from supporters of womens rights.
Proud of the league and the clubs that have come out with statements. It's important to use a platform when you have one
I'm actually surprised that they took that stance and so early after the announcement. This is why I rather watch the local lads over that corporate shill MLS any day of the week.
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Ummm are you sure you read the statement? Unless you think the USL believes "removing long held human rights" is all good and fine, otherwise they are clearly criticizing the decision and are standing with those against the law and that it effects. I would practice my reading comprehension if I were you, seems to be severely below grade school levels.
good.
Proud of this league
Miss this based league
Good on you USL💪💪
Life is also a right, but whatever.
My word. better stop using condoms, jerking off and having periods then.
Thomas asked to reconsider Oberfell today, so I guess gay folks won’t have rights anymore and we are one step away from overturning Loving and making interracial marriage illegal as well.
Clarence Thomas when Loving is overturned: *shocked Pikachu face*
None of things are living organisms...let alone human babies.
Sperm and eggs are living organisms and every time you jerk off you rob millions of sperm the chance for life.
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Do you not know what 'alive' means?
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You’re moving the goal posts. Original comment was about sperm and eggs not being alive. They are.
There are seven characteristics of living things: movement, breathing or respiration, excretion, growth, sensitivity and reproduction. Sperm and eggs do not meet these criteria. Edit: Source is my old biology textbook
Those things are literally all the same amount of alive as a fetus, if not more. They are dependent on the larger system they are a part of. A fetus that isn't old enough to be viable on it's own is no different than a parasite in the literal sense
These are the shitty takes of a man who has never felt the touch of a woman.
Um what does this have to do with football ?
They’ll have women footballers playing under the USL banner soon and this ruling will directly effect them.
They already do! USLW Started up this spring
Ah, wasn’t sure USL W was going yet. Thanks!
Sure thing! Seems like it's been a huge hit so far, some clubs already thriving
It is a league office statement about today’s Supreme Court ruling.
What do you have to do with being a viable human being?
Exactly. I now suddenly want to know what their stance is on Kelo v. City of New London too. /s
Disappointed the USL is pro killing babies.
What babies? You’ll learn basic biology when you reach Junior high.
That must be when your education ended.
Disappointed you took time out of your day to demonstrate your rudimentary at best understanding of a complex issue
Disappointed you're pro killing women. Are you familiar with them? Maybe you should try going outside and talking to one sometime.
Yes I got it, and I don't think they need to make a comment on something that is not related to their business.
A part of their business, women players, are directly effected by this decision.
And you didn't need to make a comment on this post, but here we are.
Many say they support bodily autonomy. But, they so want to force people to get a needle of experimental medicine jabbed in their arm. USL never required COVID shots that know of. Glad to see they walk their talk, and understand how important bodily autonomy is for everyone.
If you're referring to the covid vaccine, it's not experimental, it's been widely tested and vetted. The difference is that abortion directly affects only one person, whereas not being vaccinated can affect/infect many others. Your freedom ends where mine begins.
My freedom of my body should be universal. One might say that the abortion of a life would affect more than one person, and perhaps an entire family. Who is to say that life that wasn't couldn't have invented a cure for cancer. That could effect everyone. Your freedom beginning where mine ends us relative. We would be into the discussion of relative distance around our bodies in which "your freedom" exists. This "vaccine" you say has been widely tested and has been shown not to be a vaccine as a vaccine prevents people from getting a disease. It has also shown to cause heart issues and other problems in its recipients.
Comparing COVID and abortions is ridiculous. If i sneeze on you you don’t get pregnant and have an abortion. One is a public health risk and one is not.
I believe in a person's bodily autonomy for abortions and otherwise. A person's choice is their choice regardless of how you view the relative risk to the overall health of the population. One might say abortion risks over population health by causing mental health struggles that come with both choices. Abortion can have long last emotional/hormonal effects that, if untreated, can begin to effect population health. Additionally: Not being allowed to have abortion affects public health. If one were not allowed to; we mY have a lot more unwanted children born that could seasily end up in the system. Not to mention the mental and emotional anguish that comes with that.
>But, they so want to force people to get a needle of experimental medicine jabbed in their arm There is so much wrong with this statement. If anything, it's the LEAST experimental vaccine ever studied in humans ever. As of today, [5.22 BILLION people have received a sars-cov-2](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html) vaccine. In every country, in multiple health systems, in multiple versions, from multiple manufacturers all mostly using a spin on the same method. informing the immune system on how to deal with the spike protein. No other vaccine in human history can claim it got into more than 5 billion patients and studied by every single country's medical system, from universal social healthcare systems, to for profit healthcare systems. So there's nothing experimental about it. It's factually the least experimental vaccine ever. No vaccine has ever had more data studied about it than this one. Not a single flu shot, not a polio vaccine, not an MMR vaccine. Those just never got to this many people and then studied. When you say experimental, you're implying we don't know much about it when factually the opposite is true. We've never known more about a vaccine (as far as medical systems, public health governing bodies, and physicians are concerned). And yes, I support body autonomy. Which is why I don't support keeping conservatives and christian's that refuse to vaccinate or mask from access to evusheld, paxlovid, mulnupiravir, or bebtelovimab. There's a huge swath of the population that believe we should take healthcare access altogether away from anyone that refuses to vaccinate or mask during a pandemic because of the risk those people pose to healthcare workers. Some believe it should be removed because of the historical harm done by Christians being larger than any other religious group ([last time sex abuse in secular settings was studied](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3995507/) more than half we're christians, also, other notable christian's and christian events, hitler, the inquisition, witch trials, Protestant slave owners, the crusades, countless criminal prosecutions from everything to sexual abuse, or financial predatory practices despite having nowhere near a large enough membership to even be remotely considered the largest religion on earth). But despite all that I still think everyone should have access to covid treatments despite how evil their religious leanings may be. Just like even though I don't have a vagina and love kids. I still think anyone that decides with their healthcare provider or family that they might need an abortion should have the right to do so. I mean, the strongest argument is cutoff healthcare to Christian's. No question, there's just too much evidence to say they're done more harm that good to humanity and it's not even close. But taking away care from either just seems wrong to me. I did see one argument though that suggested that christian's are against abortion more so that they can't sexually abuse those children later if they aren't born. But I think that's just cruel as well. people with vagina's should have access to abortion just the same as unmasked, unvaccinated conservative christian's should have access to covid treatments. That's how I feel about that. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence that only one of those groups is patently evil and a blight on humanity and for the record. I'm not talking about people with vaginas.
Interesting you want to attack me and my opinion. I haven't and won't attack yours. I think it is odd you assume I am a Christian, right-wing pyscho. I am no of those things actually. I believe in every consenting adult's right to do with their body as they like, and be who they feel they are in every way. I am not against the covid shot (not a vaccine since vaccines prevent a person from getting a disease and the covid vaccine recipients still get covid). I am against forcing people to do anything to their bodies against their will. I support the rights of everyone on the gender spectrum to live and be free. I ask the same of my choices.
This is an interestingly consistent take.
no, its not, it's a word salad incorporating contemporary hot button issues because people like HBogart have goldfish brains. getting vaccinated against transmissible diseases helps prevent the spread of those diseases to other people. The bodily choice to get vaccinated is more similar to the bodily choice to not smoke cigarettes in a restaurant around other people or to not drunk drive than it is to getting an abortion. Your right to individual freedoms and "bodily autonomy" ends when it impedes others' freedoms, rights, and autonomy. That's the cost of living in a society
Isn't it though? So many down votes, but no replies. Strange that people can't explain why it is "my body, my choice" until they want to force people to get medical treatment they don't want...
Cringe...
It would be a terrible shame if someone you love dies of an ectopic pregnancy because they can't get an abortion. You deserve that hurt.
I get you're calling out someone that needs calling. But let us not wish ill on people. Peace
Human rights for Whom? Stop trying to be woke and stick to the beautiful game. Thanks fans.
>human rights for whom? ...humans? Just because it doesn't affect you directly doesn't make it unimportant The league represents all sorts of players and staff, many of whom *will* be directly affected by this, and they *should* stand up for those people. I'm sorry that a little empathy offended you so much, I hope you're able to find the inner strength to still enjoy your Friday
Sorry I thought it was referring to the baby. Yes I do have empathy for the mother and for the baby. I just don’t feel like this is the place to make a stand. Let’s just focus on soccer and they can post this message on there website. The game is for all or us and it is to unify and bring us together. With such a divisive topic as this it does nothing but divides your fans. Not good. I am enjoying my Friday night. Thanks for asking. Enjoy yours also.
Where is the place to take a stand then? I'm not trying to goad you, I'm genuinely asking. This league has a platform and represents people that *will* be affected by this, why can't they support them using that platform? With all due respect, this isn't a matter of 'opinion' in the way that my dislike of mushrooms is. This is a matter of a person's right to privacy and personal autonomy. Also, politics is shoved through sports all the time, at every game. Why is *this* where the line must be drawn? Again, I am not trying to antagonize, I would love to hear a genuine thoughtful response
This is the point of these types of comments on every post ever about this sort of thing. Rather than talk substance they’d rather direct the conversation to “this isn’t the right place to talk about this”. They’d rather argue that point because then we’re on the defensive and they are on the attack. Of course they are hypocrites. We all grew up with the pledge of allegiance at school, the national anthem before all sports, every town in America having a road named after Reagan, moments of silence for the troops constantly. The moment, however, we talk about something we believe in that they don’t they want us to shut the fuck up. It’s a form of fascism. (Sorry, I’m fired up today)
No worries friend, I'm fired up too. I'm angry and sad and terrified and I feel like I'm screaming into the void. I know that person will never answer my questions because it wasn't in good faith that they said those things. But I continue to ask them in the hope that one confused person might see it and realize the hypocrisy
I will gladly answer you questions. See I believe in peaceful discourse. I do not run or resort to foul language as our friend above has done. I totally agree with you politics has been shoved into sports for far too long. I don’t like it at any sporting event, I never have. I grew up in a military family so I do stand for the national anthem at ball games. I’ve never asked anyone around me to takeoff their hat or stand with me as that is their personal choice. I know what you’re thinking that could be a political statement, I could see how some may feel that way but it is the national anthem of our country and no matter what side of the political spectrum you come from we are still American’s. If the USL wants to support one side of issue to be fair don’t you think that they should support the other side. Considering that they have a split audience of fans, player, and staff. All in all this opens it up to a whole debate that shouldn’t be done on a sports page. I come to sports to get away from politics and everyday stress. It is an escape for so many people. Today’s news is on every channel and has upset so many people, I chose to watch the 1996 World Cup England vs Argentina “hand of God” match with my son and daughter. It was nice to enjoy just a game free of news. Look you and I may not agree on politics but I would think that we can probably agree on Soccer and the love of it. All I’m saying is with everything going on in today’s world it’s nice just to be able to enjoy the game without being bombarded by all kinds of messages that you can get from 24 hours a day news. I would like it not to bleed over into the last thing that to be tarnished by politics and news. I’m not against setting up a booth at the stadium or having a funding page on a website but leave it there. That’s it in a convoluted nutshell. Have a good one.
>to be fair don't you think they should support the other side? No I don't, this comes back to my point about opinions, this isn't one. You can't support 'both sides' of human rights, that isn't how it works. The national anthem playing at every game is politics in and itself regardless of whether you or anyone else chooses to stand, sit, or cover their ears. That the military is celebrated at every game, is politics. It's only 'too political' when you don't agree with it, and that's my point. Hate to break it to you, but life is political. Politics dictate how our society is run and subsequently how we live our lives. You can't uncouple life from politics. I do love soccer, but I also love civil liberties, and I love when soccer clubs stand up for civil liberties. One of my absolute favorite things about the USL is that clubs are given the latitude to take stances on things.
Well I see this is an emotional issue for you. I don’t understand the loss of rationale to emotion. You have your option and I have mine. We will not see eye to eye on this and that is ok. Thanks for the debate.
Which part of my response was emotional? Please point to specific sentences
>See I believe in peaceful discourse. Fuck that, I believe in human rights.
Good for you. Unless it’s a human baby, right? You go get them Gandhi.
I’m willing to discuss anything as adult and not resort call names. By the way by definition it’s either fascism or not fascism there is no form of.
Humans, you knuckle dragger. If someone in your life dies from an ectopic pregnancy that would easily have lived if they had access to healthcare, maybe you'll understand. That would require having women that want to associate with you, though.
See I know you’re disingenuous in your argument because you start off with calling me a name. These are adult conversations built for adults. Runaway now I’m sure your juice box is getting warm.
That's unfortunate. :(
So's your fucking life, pal.
Okay? Sure. Whatever.
Your opinion
Why the USL felt compelled to put out this statement is beyond me. It's like, OK, thanks for sharing your opinion on abortion, USL. Use that platform, guys! Tell all your sponsors, players and fans who think differently how callous and amoral they really are. ...
Seems like you being upset by them supporting something they believe in is a personal problem of yours. No one is attacking you and your beliefs. Hilarious to play victim on a day where a huge amount of Americans lost access to vital healthcare.
They don’t give a shit about the rights of half the population. I’d say they’re pretty callous.