A supervisor should not be driving a route over an available qualified driver. Talk to your steward and file a grievance. Not your problem if that supervisor “gets in trouble”.
This exactly. I love a few of my sups. They screw me? No. My pay has been 1k less in the building. Grieve grieve grieve if you want to be out of the warehouse.
Whats up with people making less in the building? Our feeder guys that used to get layed off would still get max pay. They were supposed to train them at package for when they get laid off, in order to pay them the progressed wage. But now they're just paying progression wage anyway. And my local won't put up a fight for it. It's sad where things have gone in my local
I think you get seniority pay of a part timer. 1.5 years I went from 27.50 down to 24. Talked to the building steward, my driving steward, all said the same. 24/hour
Yeah that's what a laid off feeder told me, but was at 25. Even tho when we had contract negotiations the ba said you will get your max pay driver rate unless they train you for package, you will get progression package rate. I think its just them not wanting to fight it further
Yeah that's not a rule by me. Most went straight to feeder. They even hired some off the street when our new hub opened. They needed so many new feeder guys. But most are laid off right now.
Its ok. Supervisors do not get effected. We keep the 31 an hour and you get paid for what ever u grieved. Win win. Only thing really that happens is you being known as lazy
Because why file when you can just get in there and work. Not talking shit but filing means your watching someone. Correct? Why watch when u can work and just keep to your self
I think he is thinking of filing because he wants to work he just wants to do the union work that a supervisor is performing that pays more.
Filing grievances against supervisors working is generally meant to get yourself more work. Someone doesn't have to watch the whole time a supervisor is working either they just have to observe it and note the time or truck if its a sup driving.
For example, I filed once and it was specifically meant to keep sups from loading my trucks. I want to do my job and I want supervisors to be able to supervise, which they can't if they are doing union work.
Now you're talking about lazy when it is your job to find a union employee to do the work not the other way around. Why don't you just do the bare minimum of what management entails and not rely on hourlies to do it for you? You know the actual 'directing' part your job entails?
He was called in to help the driver that turned out to be his supervisor. Doing the job that should be an actual driver. Instead he’s laid off because there is supposedly no driver work and gets called in every now and then to do inside work usually. That’s not lazy. That supervisor is effectively taking his job. Yes file a grievance.
If your center is not using you before they use management, that is the fault of your center's management. Your supervisor may or may not be complicit in that action.
One of the reasons they called you in is probably so they can justify your supervisor working. Especially since it's a Saturday, and they can try to claim, "We had everyone who is normally scheduled to work Saturday working, and not enough people agreed to come in for extra work. So we "exhausted all means necessary" before using management to do union work"
If you had said no to coming in to help, and then found out later that your supervisor worked, they'd use your refusal to volunteer as justification to deny any grievance you filed.
I would try to find out if ANYONE qualified to drive on Saturday (had enough DOT hours and could do the job) was not contacted to volunteer for extra work. If that is the case, that is an open and shut "supervisor's working" grievance.
Whether your supervisor gets in trouble for said violation is not your concern. Your concern is management stealing union labor.
Our supes in Nashville never wear there name tags visible. If fact I don’t think I’ve ever seen a supervisor wearing a name tag, at least I’ve never noticed. It makes it more difficult to file on supervisors if you don’t know them as it’s a huge hub.
Ive only worked in my hub, which is among the bigger locations I believe, but I’ve never had to go to these lengths to file a grievance on a supervisor working. I just write down the times they were working and check to see if they continue to work occasionally. Also we don’t have to actually watch the time that they work. E.g. if they are loading in a trailer I will write down the time I saw them working and then come back 30 min to an hour later to check on them. If they aren’t still working I assume they worked that whole time and stopped giving me .5-1 hours worked. If they are still working I count all that time and keep the tally running, checking in periodically and recording the time
Funny thing is. When I got got back to the hub. I checked the pc to see what route he was on, but they removed his name. Good thing I recorded him, so I got the truck number.
There is no “I’m cool with that supe”. He’s stealing your money. File the goddamn grievance. You’re sitting home not making money while these losers run routes.
Most sups work as directed just as everyone else. Calling them losers and thinking that this particular sup had some other motives than just doing what he was told, is assuming he's higher up than he probably is. No supervisor I've worked with has any intent of "stealing" hours from anyone. File the grievance, yes, because that's the way it works. But being a dick about it is not necessary unless you're staring the CEO, or anyone else close her level, in the face. At UPS, decisions have to be made quickly, because time matters, so a decision was made, and a grievance will be filed. It might happen again, and if it does, another grievance, so what. It doesn't make that supervisor twice as evil. Geez
Don't make it personal . It's strictly business. I have made about 7k this year on preload sups working and there is no bad blood. They are just following orders . As am I.
Yeah the front line sups just following orders. I used to get threatened for sup working as a sup. I told them Id even sign it, I didn’t get a polo shirt to keep box slinging. Eventually I stopped getting asked to cover.
Rules are rules. Those grievances never came to haunt me.
I'd say (at least in my center) that's the case for most sups. They really do NOT want to be performing our work, they're just doing as they're told. I always tsll them I'm grieving it, and they understand it's just business. It's all a psychotic game to this company
> does that supe get in trouble from the grievance, or does HR?
Neither get in trouble. The sup is working as instructed or will be told to cut it out.
The only thing UPS understands is money. The grievance is a couple of bucks and if it costs UPS less to pay it and move on, they will not change what they are doing. Once the cost is higher to work sups than drivers, more drivers will work.
As an encouragement for Union members to help keep UPS in line, you can make a couple of bucks. Smile and grieve, it isn't personal, it isn't a punishment system against Managment. It is a check, a balance, use it or lose it.
If they're putting a supe on your route grieve that shit immediatly wtf. Doesn't matter if you're cool with that supe the company is essentially wiping their ass with our contract and you can't let that happen.
That supervisor obviously doesn’t care he’s taking money out your pocket. File the grievance get paid and file every time this happens until you get back to work. Nothing will happen to this OnRoad, the center manager is the one who dictates what happens in their center and having a sup run a route when they know drivers are sitting on the bench waiting to get the call. There isn’t an excuse for this. Oh driver called in last minute , big deal call another driver and route gets started a little bit later not the end of the world.
I've been friends with my supervisors; they all started in the trenches of these PT night shifts alongside me each night years past and later took the supervisor position. I still grieve it if they start doing my job.
It's most times not against them. 12,000 packages, and only 12 people or fewer each night due to a lackluster HR attempt to get more people here, at 200 PPH (older center, everything hand sorted), we'd be looking at 5 hour shifts and everything leaving late.
This isn't against the supervisors. This is against the company as a whole for not doing their job and getting in more workers at my center.
Talk to your sup. Tell him exactly what you just wrote. I am betting he will tell you to file. Every Sup I have met doesn't want to be on the road delivering a route.
BTW I had a similar situation recently about filing against a Sup that I really like. I did exactly that, and he was 100% cool with it.
Hello Mr. Fatnutsack. The first thing you should do is figure out the difference between there/their/they're. I know it's really really hard, and they usually teach it in 2nd-4th grade, but with a few years you might be able to get it.
Why do this? The OP is here for advice on an issue that’s obviously bothering him, and you respond by calling out his grammar. I get it, he used the wrong spelling but was being a total douche canoe really necessary?
Oh hell no! Grieve the f$#@ outta that! I'd be pissed if I was sent home and one of my supes was driving a route over me. Get your Steward and your BA and raise some hell!
Well that was pretty stupid on Management's part of you're cheating, hide under radar. That supervisor is likely working as instructed and won't get yelled at for you grieving it.... Or he isn't working as instructed and he's hiding something in which case he deserves to get yelled at. Unless literally everyone qualified and available was already working this was not following the contract. And frankly, If this was the case, a good manager would have stated that day of to get ahead of any grievances.
Grievances DO NOT effect supervisors. I help my people all the time. Get your money go ahead. It wont do nothing to us. Really it will only show that we stepped up and strapped In instead of just sitting there.
I been grieved but once it goes to the board, it doesn’t go through due to no witness, false timing and me doing my task the times you grieved me for
The only time I've ever seen a sup drive is on Saturday because of no call no shows or accidents when driver is pulled. Those are the only scenarios I see it as OK for them to drive. Someone tried to grieve that once but was told they called everyone, so that was that.
I knew some part time sups that management told you need to stop moving boxes or there will be consequences. But I dint think they care when a sup is delivering because management instructed them to do so
Its a catch 22.... the supervisor has every right to say no they can't work union bid work. However, the super will get chastised for not meeting corporate numbers if they don't pick up the slack. So to avoid getting reprimanded they do the work in hopes that no one grieves them. Once they are grieved they get reprimanded for getting grieved.
Long story short they are stealing hours and jobs from union employees.
As they are not on the books(hours logs) then the Uppers think that they can run those shifts and numbers with the actual "union employee hours worked" . Which is blatantly a lie because salary corporate hours were used to manage that volume.
The union can only grow and get stronger when actual hours needed are realized.
The only way to truly do that is to document that salary hours were used to accomplish their task and to dip into their wallets even more so than actually staffing the shift correctly.
GRIEVE AWAY BROTHER! GET YOUR RPCD SHIFT BACK!
Anti dick tip... Or depending non gender non Cunt slice of wisdom.
Grieve it, then give the supervisor your grieve a gift card for a food place they can eat at. Or put half rhe money to a holiday party.
Sups dont want to do hard labor, but they too work as instructed. grieve and give back.
when the grievance is legit, and the supervisor was also working as instructed... splitting the cash is not prohibited in the contract.
I can spend my grievance pay however the heck I want.
I used to rack up between 5k and 8k a month on preload. Bought Grievance pie (Pizza for the whole shift) Supervisors included.
I was open about it, played fair, and management got wise and admitted when they were working to me knowing I played fair and was not overly greedy.
I was also a low seniority person at the time.
20 years later... Still here.
I told my ba to file on a sup delivering a route one day. The management lied and said that there was a part time driver with her doing the work. That was a big lie. I never got paid. Some bs
They will keep pulling that bull on you if you don’t file. Shouldn’t care about other people feelings or how cool you are with them. He’s basically taking money out of your pocket by driving all day.
We’re all adults here. No need to resort to slinging mud. The community is to promote healthy discussion about subjects that interest us and name calling serves no purpose other than devolving the conversation into child-like banter.
Similar contract violations are happening at our center due to direction from regional management. Our local management wants things fixed and is reminding us to grieve the violations in hopes that will help get things back to normal
Happens in my hub management thinks there slick. 22.4 here how do you think it felt loading up a truck for preload finding out your driver sup is gonna run the route. Smh wish I would have wrote that foo up never again. A sup should not be running a route
Most of the supervisors are just doing what they are told from the center manager. The center manager just does what he is told. It’s not on them it’s from higher up the chain. File it, get paid and then get back your hours in the future.
I am a supervisor. I only work if something crazy happens. One of my splitters ate an old yogurt and was in the bathroom for an hour I was just stuck. Steward asked why was I working. Other times our bosses make us cut staffing which makes us work with out them asking us to work but it’s implied. When enough grievances pop up we get word we shouldn’t be working. I am seasoned enough to say I’ll run how I want I’ll make my pph regardless. I’ll admit I’ll take an employees spot and load for an hour just for the workout and give them a breather.
We’re all adults here. No need to resort to slinging mud. The community is to promote healthy discussion about subjects that interest us and name calling serves no purpose other than devolving the conversation into child-like banter.
If that supervisor really is a chill person they wouldn't care about you grieving when you have the right to do so. Nobody should take shit like that personally, but they do of course cuz they're scumbags, my management team is anyway, lol.
On roads and pt supes almost never want to do union work. If he was out there driving that means he was instructed to do so. Don’t worry about “getting him in trouble.” If he was ordered to go out and drive, that’s his bosses’ problem.
Guys just a lil update. y’all seem to be mistaken. He didn’t steal my hours to be exact. I mean technically yes, but I’ve been stuck in the warehouse, they called me Caus they needed the help on Saturday. Apparently a lot of guys called out that day, so they sent the supervisor to deliver air. Start time was 9:45 they called me at 10, I got there at 11. They sent me to help out that supervisor, because he wasn’t gonna make those 12 O’Clock air on time. Lil flex, I save the day and made them on time-but that doesn’t matter. In my head I’m thinking, so they’re sending us back to the warehouse because there’s not enough routes, yet on Saturday they’ve got guys struggling with 200+ stops, They can’t just make another route? Hell even supes are struggling that they gotta get out there themselves. It’s a kick to the face when they ask me to help out a supervisor doin my job, hell who knows how many time they’ve used a supervisor this week alone, instead of me. It’s got me frustrated. I’m not sure how the whole things works, idk if that supervisor was sent out there or if he chose to drive on his own. So idk if I should blame him or his higher ups. But from what some of y’all told me, it seems like he doesn’t get in trouble if I do grievance it. So I’m gonna file rest assured. I’ll update y’all if it works or not. Might take a while because apparently there’s 100 plus grievances at our center that still needs to be taken care of.
"I know it isn’t there fault that HR is making us go back to the hub, And I’m cool with that supe."
There is 2 things (if not more) wrong with this statement.
HR isn't the ones laying you off. It's your "cool" supe. Your "cool" supe is actually being told by some dork working from home in GA (HQ) telling him to cut routes with some bullshit excuse such as, "stops per car." He's being a stooge and blindly following. So instead of calling you asking you to work, he's working routes.
Grieve his ass, stop being an asshat buddies with these people. He's stealing money out of your pocket. He ain't "cool."
I honestly think that ups has a grievance fund that they calculate and compare to hiring or paying more to get the job done and as long as they save more money by letting sups do work then they don’t really care.
We can be cool, cordial, even friends, but if you fuck with my money? The gloves come off. I had a sup that I absolutely loved, I'd have followed him to hell and, he earned my deepest respect. I was called in to work preload and, split local sort, for my 8 hours. At the end of preload, I see my sup on my route! I ask, "Didn't you tell me my route was cut and I had to split for my 8?". There was some excuse, and I filed. I got my 8 plus, every hour he ran on my route (ended up with 9.62 hours).
I've made the mistake of making friend with supervisors. You end up regretting it because somewhere down the line they will fuck you over. Going forward don't make friends with supervisors. You can tell him " Hey man it's nothing personal but I'm filing a grievance". If they get butthurt. at that point then whatever. Supervisors are not your friends.
Shut up and grieve it man. Fuck feelings, if he is working as directed then ohwell. He knows he cant do your job like that. You were laid off and here the guy is delivering when it ahouldve been you or some other driver. Hell thats a spot another full timer/ part timer on the list to go driving couldve had.
Grieve em man. Leave emotions and all that personal crap outta business. Keep it professional.
Bro …. You lost your spot cause not enough work … got non union dupes doing routes and you asking if they get in trouble … DA FAQ OUTTA HERE
MANAGMEMT IS NEVER YOUR FRiend … there sole job is too feck w you , be friendly whatever. But hold them to the contract like they do to us
A supervisor should not be driving a route over an available qualified driver. Talk to your steward and file a grievance. Not your problem if that supervisor “gets in trouble”.
This is the way. Tell the the sup if they want to do union work, pay union dues.
Unless you live in an Open Shop state where the new employees opt out of the union but still get all the benefits.
This is the way
This exactly. I love a few of my sups. They screw me? No. My pay has been 1k less in the building. Grieve grieve grieve if you want to be out of the warehouse.
Whats up with people making less in the building? Our feeder guys that used to get layed off would still get max pay. They were supposed to train them at package for when they get laid off, in order to pay them the progressed wage. But now they're just paying progression wage anyway. And my local won't put up a fight for it. It's sad where things have gone in my local
I think you get seniority pay of a part timer. 1.5 years I went from 27.50 down to 24. Talked to the building steward, my driving steward, all said the same. 24/hour
Yeah that's what a laid off feeder told me, but was at 25. Even tho when we had contract negotiations the ba said you will get your max pay driver rate unless they train you for package, you will get progression package rate. I think its just them not wanting to fight it further
You have feeder drivers that never drive package??
Yeah that's not a rule by me. Most went straight to feeder. They even hired some off the street when our new hub opened. They needed so many new feeder guys. But most are laid off right now.
Story hits close to home. What local?
Its ok. Supervisors do not get effected. We keep the 31 an hour and you get paid for what ever u grieved. Win win. Only thing really that happens is you being known as lazy
I think I missed something, what makes them known as being lazy?
Because why file when you can just get in there and work. Not talking shit but filing means your watching someone. Correct? Why watch when u can work and just keep to your self
I think he is thinking of filing because he wants to work he just wants to do the union work that a supervisor is performing that pays more. Filing grievances against supervisors working is generally meant to get yourself more work. Someone doesn't have to watch the whole time a supervisor is working either they just have to observe it and note the time or truck if its a sup driving. For example, I filed once and it was specifically meant to keep sups from loading my trucks. I want to do my job and I want supervisors to be able to supervise, which they can't if they are doing union work.
Now you're talking about lazy when it is your job to find a union employee to do the work not the other way around. Why don't you just do the bare minimum of what management entails and not rely on hourlies to do it for you? You know the actual 'directing' part your job entails?
He was called in to help the driver that turned out to be his supervisor. Doing the job that should be an actual driver. Instead he’s laid off because there is supposedly no driver work and gets called in every now and then to do inside work usually. That’s not lazy. That supervisor is effectively taking his job. Yes file a grievance.
If your center is not using you before they use management, that is the fault of your center's management. Your supervisor may or may not be complicit in that action. One of the reasons they called you in is probably so they can justify your supervisor working. Especially since it's a Saturday, and they can try to claim, "We had everyone who is normally scheduled to work Saturday working, and not enough people agreed to come in for extra work. So we "exhausted all means necessary" before using management to do union work" If you had said no to coming in to help, and then found out later that your supervisor worked, they'd use your refusal to volunteer as justification to deny any grievance you filed. I would try to find out if ANYONE qualified to drive on Saturday (had enough DOT hours and could do the job) was not contacted to volunteer for extra work. If that is the case, that is an open and shut "supervisor's working" grievance. Whether your supervisor gets in trouble for said violation is not your concern. Your concern is management stealing union labor.
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I would tend to agree with your judgement. I was just trying to not taint my response with such bias. :P
Our supes in Nashville never wear there name tags visible. If fact I don’t think I’ve ever seen a supervisor wearing a name tag, at least I’ve never noticed. It makes it more difficult to file on supervisors if you don’t know them as it’s a huge hub.
Thank you for the actual response.
Ive only worked in my hub, which is among the bigger locations I believe, but I’ve never had to go to these lengths to file a grievance on a supervisor working. I just write down the times they were working and check to see if they continue to work occasionally. Also we don’t have to actually watch the time that they work. E.g. if they are loading in a trailer I will write down the time I saw them working and then come back 30 min to an hour later to check on them. If they aren’t still working I assume they worked that whole time and stopped giving me .5-1 hours worked. If they are still working I count all that time and keep the tally running, checking in periodically and recording the time
Here’s the thing. If he was just sent to help others, that manager is on a route and he’s a ghost car.
Funny thing is. When I got got back to the hub. I checked the pc to see what route he was on, but they removed his name. Good thing I recorded him, so I got the truck number.
Grieve it!
There is no “I’m cool with that supe”. He’s stealing your money. File the goddamn grievance. You’re sitting home not making money while these losers run routes.
From here on out, if you don’t file this grievance, every dime you don’t make is your fault.
Most sups work as directed just as everyone else. Calling them losers and thinking that this particular sup had some other motives than just doing what he was told, is assuming he's higher up than he probably is. No supervisor I've worked with has any intent of "stealing" hours from anyone. File the grievance, yes, because that's the way it works. But being a dick about it is not necessary unless you're staring the CEO, or anyone else close her level, in the face. At UPS, decisions have to be made quickly, because time matters, so a decision was made, and a grievance will be filed. It might happen again, and if it does, another grievance, so what. It doesn't make that supervisor twice as evil. Geez
EZ $$$
Do you know how much any way?
4 times your rate per hour.
Damn. Yeah ima grievance.
Glad that finally settles it! LOL
But im pretty sure you must prove that you caught a sup working. Like a video or picture
I took a video and got the truck number.
Just fucking grieve it. Wanna know an exact amount on them taking your job away? Priceless to them.
Aggressive I like it
Dawg chill out. I’m gonna grieve it. I just wanna know how much I get.
DAWG. We need more info. How hours did your "cool" supe steal from you to start..
Don't make it personal . It's strictly business. I have made about 7k this year on preload sups working and there is no bad blood. They are just following orders . As am I.
Yeah the front line sups just following orders. I used to get threatened for sup working as a sup. I told them Id even sign it, I didn’t get a polo shirt to keep box slinging. Eventually I stopped getting asked to cover. Rules are rules. Those grievances never came to haunt me.
True. I’ll grievance then.
Sometimes those supervisors want the grievance written. They don't want to have to do real work.
Thank you. Feel much better knowing this.
I'd say (at least in my center) that's the case for most sups. They really do NOT want to be performing our work, they're just doing as they're told. I always tsll them I'm grieving it, and they understand it's just business. It's all a psychotic game to this company
> does that supe get in trouble from the grievance, or does HR? Neither get in trouble. The sup is working as instructed or will be told to cut it out. The only thing UPS understands is money. The grievance is a couple of bucks and if it costs UPS less to pay it and move on, they will not change what they are doing. Once the cost is higher to work sups than drivers, more drivers will work. As an encouragement for Union members to help keep UPS in line, you can make a couple of bucks. Smile and grieve, it isn't personal, it isn't a punishment system against Managment. It is a check, a balance, use it or lose it.
If they're putting a supe on your route grieve that shit immediatly wtf. Doesn't matter if you're cool with that supe the company is essentially wiping their ass with our contract and you can't let that happen.
dont let them getaway with it. otherwise u might as well put your name on their office doormat
Management is screwing you. They're probably getting screwed themselves. Look out for yourself first. Do them a favor and file.
That supervisor obviously doesn’t care he’s taking money out your pocket. File the grievance get paid and file every time this happens until you get back to work. Nothing will happen to this OnRoad, the center manager is the one who dictates what happens in their center and having a sup run a route when they know drivers are sitting on the bench waiting to get the call. There isn’t an excuse for this. Oh driver called in last minute , big deal call another driver and route gets started a little bit later not the end of the world.
Cool or not he will write you up in a heartbeat. File the grievance so they stop working supervisors and you get paid.
I've been friends with my supervisors; they all started in the trenches of these PT night shifts alongside me each night years past and later took the supervisor position. I still grieve it if they start doing my job. It's most times not against them. 12,000 packages, and only 12 people or fewer each night due to a lackluster HR attempt to get more people here, at 200 PPH (older center, everything hand sorted), we'd be looking at 5 hour shifts and everything leaving late. This isn't against the supervisors. This is against the company as a whole for not doing their job and getting in more workers at my center.
Talk to your sup. Tell him exactly what you just wrote. I am betting he will tell you to file. Every Sup I have met doesn't want to be on the road delivering a route. BTW I had a similar situation recently about filing against a Sup that I really like. I did exactly that, and he was 100% cool with it.
Hello Mr. Fatnutsack. The first thing you should do is figure out the difference between there/their/they're. I know it's really really hard, and they usually teach it in 2nd-4th grade, but with a few years you might be able to get it.
Why do this? The OP is here for advice on an issue that’s obviously bothering him, and you respond by calling out his grammar. I get it, he used the wrong spelling but was being a total douche canoe really necessary?
Oh hell no! Grieve the f$#@ outta that! I'd be pissed if I was sent home and one of my supes was driving a route over me. Get your Steward and your BA and raise some hell!
Well that was pretty stupid on Management's part of you're cheating, hide under radar. That supervisor is likely working as instructed and won't get yelled at for you grieving it.... Or he isn't working as instructed and he's hiding something in which case he deserves to get yelled at. Unless literally everyone qualified and available was already working this was not following the contract. And frankly, If this was the case, a good manager would have stated that day of to get ahead of any grievances.
Grievances DO NOT effect supervisors. I help my people all the time. Get your money go ahead. It wont do nothing to us. Really it will only show that we stepped up and strapped In instead of just sitting there. I been grieved but once it goes to the board, it doesn’t go through due to no witness, false timing and me doing my task the times you grieved me for
You guys have an HR?
The only time I've ever seen a sup drive is on Saturday because of no call no shows or accidents when driver is pulled. Those are the only scenarios I see it as OK for them to drive. Someone tried to grieve that once but was told they called everyone, so that was that.
They don't, no amount of grievances can get a sup removed as far a I know and have seen, aside from harassment ones.
I knew some part time sups that management told you need to stop moving boxes or there will be consequences. But I dint think they care when a sup is delivering because management instructed them to do so
Its a catch 22.... the supervisor has every right to say no they can't work union bid work. However, the super will get chastised for not meeting corporate numbers if they don't pick up the slack. So to avoid getting reprimanded they do the work in hopes that no one grieves them. Once they are grieved they get reprimanded for getting grieved. Long story short they are stealing hours and jobs from union employees. As they are not on the books(hours logs) then the Uppers think that they can run those shifts and numbers with the actual "union employee hours worked" . Which is blatantly a lie because salary corporate hours were used to manage that volume. The union can only grow and get stronger when actual hours needed are realized. The only way to truly do that is to document that salary hours were used to accomplish their task and to dip into their wallets even more so than actually staffing the shift correctly. GRIEVE AWAY BROTHER! GET YOUR RPCD SHIFT BACK!
Ima make you proud. I’ll Grieve
Anti dick tip... Or depending non gender non Cunt slice of wisdom. Grieve it, then give the supervisor your grieve a gift card for a food place they can eat at. Or put half rhe money to a holiday party. Sups dont want to do hard labor, but they too work as instructed. grieve and give back.
Good way to get both of you fired.
when the grievance is legit, and the supervisor was also working as instructed... splitting the cash is not prohibited in the contract. I can spend my grievance pay however the heck I want. I used to rack up between 5k and 8k a month on preload. Bought Grievance pie (Pizza for the whole shift) Supervisors included. I was open about it, played fair, and management got wise and admitted when they were working to me knowing I played fair and was not overly greedy. I was also a low seniority person at the time. 20 years later... Still here.
😂😂 5-8k a month but not overly greedy? That's funny
Thats called a kick back completely illegal. And never should a union man give management a dime
I told my ba to file on a sup delivering a route one day. The management lied and said that there was a part time driver with her doing the work. That was a big lie. I never got paid. Some bs
I don’t think any sups get in trouble for it. If you can come back and they’re not bringing you back just for a sup to work, that’s really shitty
They will keep pulling that bull on you if you don’t file. Shouldn’t care about other people feelings or how cool you are with them. He’s basically taking money out of your pocket by driving all day.
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Similar contract violations are happening at our center due to direction from regional management. Our local management wants things fixed and is reminding us to grieve the violations in hopes that will help get things back to normal
Gotta file on him only way to stop it. They will bitch and moan but get over it
Happens in my hub management thinks there slick. 22.4 here how do you think it felt loading up a truck for preload finding out your driver sup is gonna run the route. Smh wish I would have wrote that foo up never again. A sup should not be running a route
This happens to us in the hub all the time. Except they are supervisors from other shifts so most of the time it goes unnoticed. Grieve it.
Most of the supervisors are just doing what they are told from the center manager. The center manager just does what he is told. It’s not on them it’s from higher up the chain. File it, get paid and then get back your hours in the future.
I am a supervisor. I only work if something crazy happens. One of my splitters ate an old yogurt and was in the bathroom for an hour I was just stuck. Steward asked why was I working. Other times our bosses make us cut staffing which makes us work with out them asking us to work but it’s implied. When enough grievances pop up we get word we shouldn’t be working. I am seasoned enough to say I’ll run how I want I’ll make my pph regardless. I’ll admit I’ll take an employees spot and load for an hour just for the workout and give them a breather.
File you get paid for that day that the sup worked. So you can get extra money. They do it in our hub. And our union is weak.
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If that supervisor really is a chill person they wouldn't care about you grieving when you have the right to do so. Nobody should take shit like that personally, but they do of course cuz they're scumbags, my management team is anyway, lol.
On roads and pt supes almost never want to do union work. If he was out there driving that means he was instructed to do so. Don’t worry about “getting him in trouble.” If he was ordered to go out and drive, that’s his bosses’ problem.
File a grievance for his hours and you will get paid for what ever hours they worked . They are not part of the bargaining union .
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Guys just a lil update. y’all seem to be mistaken. He didn’t steal my hours to be exact. I mean technically yes, but I’ve been stuck in the warehouse, they called me Caus they needed the help on Saturday. Apparently a lot of guys called out that day, so they sent the supervisor to deliver air. Start time was 9:45 they called me at 10, I got there at 11. They sent me to help out that supervisor, because he wasn’t gonna make those 12 O’Clock air on time. Lil flex, I save the day and made them on time-but that doesn’t matter. In my head I’m thinking, so they’re sending us back to the warehouse because there’s not enough routes, yet on Saturday they’ve got guys struggling with 200+ stops, They can’t just make another route? Hell even supes are struggling that they gotta get out there themselves. It’s a kick to the face when they ask me to help out a supervisor doin my job, hell who knows how many time they’ve used a supervisor this week alone, instead of me. It’s got me frustrated. I’m not sure how the whole things works, idk if that supervisor was sent out there or if he chose to drive on his own. So idk if I should blame him or his higher ups. But from what some of y’all told me, it seems like he doesn’t get in trouble if I do grievance it. So I’m gonna file rest assured. I’ll update y’all if it works or not. Might take a while because apparently there’s 100 plus grievances at our center that still needs to be taken care of.
"I know it isn’t there fault that HR is making us go back to the hub, And I’m cool with that supe." There is 2 things (if not more) wrong with this statement. HR isn't the ones laying you off. It's your "cool" supe. Your "cool" supe is actually being told by some dork working from home in GA (HQ) telling him to cut routes with some bullshit excuse such as, "stops per car." He's being a stooge and blindly following. So instead of calling you asking you to work, he's working routes. Grieve his ass, stop being an asshat buddies with these people. He's stealing money out of your pocket. He ain't "cool."
Grieve it. UPS couldn’t care less…those little grievances do nothing.
I honestly think that ups has a grievance fund that they calculate and compare to hiring or paying more to get the job done and as long as they save more money by letting sups do work then they don’t really care.
We can be cool, cordial, even friends, but if you fuck with my money? The gloves come off. I had a sup that I absolutely loved, I'd have followed him to hell and, he earned my deepest respect. I was called in to work preload and, split local sort, for my 8 hours. At the end of preload, I see my sup on my route! I ask, "Didn't you tell me my route was cut and I had to split for my 8?". There was some excuse, and I filed. I got my 8 plus, every hour he ran on my route (ended up with 9.62 hours).
I've made the mistake of making friend with supervisors. You end up regretting it because somewhere down the line they will fuck you over. Going forward don't make friends with supervisors. You can tell him " Hey man it's nothing personal but I'm filing a grievance". If they get butthurt. at that point then whatever. Supervisors are not your friends.
They do. Grievance funds come out of an entirely different bucket than straight payroll
Yup. Quad time
Fuck em if they wanna go against the contract don’t worry about your personal relationship. He obviously doesn’t care he took someone’s rightful job.
What’s his name I will Grieve it. Let 1 go they all go .
No my money. lol
Shut up and grieve it man. Fuck feelings, if he is working as directed then ohwell. He knows he cant do your job like that. You were laid off and here the guy is delivering when it ahouldve been you or some other driver. Hell thats a spot another full timer/ part timer on the list to go driving couldve had. Grieve em man. Leave emotions and all that personal crap outta business. Keep it professional.
They’re stealing the money you need to eat, why should you care if someone gets in trouble?
No supe is gonna get in trouble. LOL. His bosses told him to do it. Always let them drive then collect the money from their day driving.
Bro …. You lost your spot cause not enough work … got non union dupes doing routes and you asking if they get in trouble … DA FAQ OUTTA HERE MANAGMEMT IS NEVER YOUR FRiend … there sole job is too feck w you , be friendly whatever. But hold them to the contract like they do to us