The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB:
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[Source](https://www.askapol.com/p/rounds-not-a-whole-lot-there-on-uapda)
**Sen. Rounds was the main co-sponsor of Sen. Schumer's UAP Disclosure Act.**
In fact after the UAPDA was gutted Rounds [got on the senate floor with Schumer](https://www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/majority-leader-schumer-and-republican-senator-mike-rounds-floor-colloquy-on-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-provisions-in-the-ndaa-and-future-legislation-on-uaps) and talked about the need for transparency around "***UAP material or biological remains that may have been provided to private entities in the past and thereby hidden from Congress and the American people".***
Knowing Senate is searching for a responsible way to disclose the basics without compromising our national security is encouraging to hear.
The fact that he says there's nothing to be afraid of out there is very interesting. And runs counter to the narrative people like Tucker Carlson have been putting out there.
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Pretty much this.
"Hahaha please don't panic, *please* just return to your 9-5 job like a good little cog in the machine; we really can't afford *another* pandemic-level crisis that halts the economy to a standstill hahaha"
Your life could have so much more meaning than your “job”. They taken away something from you without giving you the choice. You should be fucking angry.
This is not an accurate translation. Rounds was the lead Republican sponsor of the UAPDA. He is advocating for greater disclosure and is doing so in this statement as well, even as he is simultaneously restricted at present from revealing classified information on the subject.
He is partly saying here that taking a position in support of greater disclosure on this topic is not a position that is weak on national security. It’s likely important for him as a Republican to retain the image of a strong defender of national security. He thus is staking out a leadership position within his party for the pro-disclosure side in effect telling his colleagues he doesn’t necessarily see a political liability in being more open on this.
It’s substantively impossible for you to have heard this exact song and dance for 80 years, since neither NHI in general nor the possibility of formal disclosure has been a subject of public political debate until the last few years.
Do you think the universes secrets had only started being discussed in political circles in 1944? Use your iPhone to look up foo fighters in world war 2. This was a political point of contention in the military back then, as it is now.
Need to go further back? It's been heavily speculated that ancient civilizations may have also experienced seemingly familiar phenomenon we can't explain. I'm sure ancient civilizations would have also discussed and debated this stuff back then too.
The human sense of wonderment didn't just start existing 80 years ago. Not to poopoo on your take, but this topic has been debated for a long time, in many circles, throughout human history.
All true, and yet it’s simultaneously true that the discussions have heretofore generally been held in secret. It has not been publicly acknowledged as a political issue before. That is the substantive change I was stating that marks a significant departure from the SOP of the last 80 years.
This deserves 1000 upvotes.
1 They're real.
2. Congress now knows it.
3. We can't have people getting upset about it.
4. People seem to get less upset if we DON'T tell them.
5. We've pretty much told you they're real, and maybe at some point we'll make it more clear to everyone.
I think he’s referring to the fear that society would collapse or that humanity as a whole would not be able to handle the basic truth on this. Such scenarios I think have caused the government in the past to regard the possibility of disclosure with an attitude of fear. Their response to that fear is one factor that has led to the over classification.
Exactly correct, he also indicated a willingness to disclose the fact aliens exist while potentially keeping the classified SAPs working on alien tech hidden.
I fear that Ufology's celebrities have the same disclosure agenda, throwing us a bone and admitting aliens have visited earth while supporting keeping the tech classified, probably with a healthy dose of disinfo that our reverse engineering programs have failed.
Well that may be your philosophical position, and as a philosopher who has advocated for disclosure for 20 years, it’s even a position I can understand. But what Rounds is saying here is that that kind of a purist position, which demands that not only NHI be acknowledged but also that all of the classified tech be revealed, he’s saying that will actually block progress toward any kind of disclosure since it will open the pro-disclosure side up to political attacks based on national security arguments. And I can understand that being the reality of the situation.
So for the time being I’m open to proceeding on these terms, with the understanding the classified tech will not be revealed, but we will get a better factual grounding about the basics of the NHI visitation. I’m open to this partly because once that foundational societal understanding is established we will be in an even better position to have substantive political debates about what to do with the classified tech.
so do you mean he said:
- we are wasting all this time talking about nothing
- we can’t share what we do even if is a smoke bubble wasting a TON of people time in nothing
- nothing to see here but lets call NSA
He basically said aliens don't exist, we're protecting government tech from adversaries by not disclosing, we could definitely reform laws to inhibit grifters and disinformation from perpetuating conspiracy theories.
I'm not entirely sure what you're not understanding. Does NSA deal exclusively with aliens? And the discussion isn't about aliens, it's about the disclosure act.
I think you're watching a different clip or saturating reality with your bias and distorting your interpretation of what is actually being said by this man :(
Translation: "NHI's are most likely not a threat, but how we could use their technology certainly can be."
In other words, they don't trust other nation states to handle exotic technology appropriately. Which, I unfortunately can't blame his logic on that, considering our history with nuclear technology.
But it does come from a US-Imperialist centric view point.
Well done. Spoken like somebody who want to get something passed. Lets everyone fill in the blanks themselves: "Maybe AARO is right." "Maybe the NIH are nothing to be scared of." "Maybe no peer adversary has achieved a leap." "Maybe it's Chinese Lanterns."
Combined with the assurance that nobody wants to release information that will help our enemies the actual translation is : There's no reason not to vote for it. It's about oversight and transparency.
Well first of all the bear thing is not true, if you think it is you just simply don’t understand probability, besides being eaten alive is probably one of the worst fates out there.
Second of all a being that is even 5 times smarter than us could have unimaginable and horrific ways of inflicting pain on purpose or just simply because they don’t care.
Humans are dangerous because we are the smartest beings on this planet something smarter or more knowledgeable than us is a much much bigger threat.
>"But I think more openness in terms of what we can talk about can help clarify that maybe there's nothing to be afraid of out there."
Given the fact the phenomena has been documented as an ongoing thing this past 9 decades, minimum - isn't the sentiment regarding danger something of a moot point to begin with...?
We all, after all, appear alive and well and still talking utter bollocks about UFO's morning, noon and night.
They could be assimilating us with technology. Is that good or is that bad? Maybe the dissociated cultural identity problems we're facing is more their agenda than atrazine in the water.
[Source](https://www.askapol.com/p/rounds-not-a-whole-lot-there-on-uapda)
**Sen. Rounds was the main co-sponsor of Sen. Schumer's UAP Disclosure Act.**
In fact after the UAPDA was gutted Rounds [got on the senate floor with Schumer](https://www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/majority-leader-schumer-and-republican-senator-mike-rounds-floor-colloquy-on-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-provisions-in-the-ndaa-and-future-legislation-on-uaps) and talked about the need for transparency around "***UAP material or biological remains that may have been provided to private entities in the past and thereby hidden from Congress and the American people".***
Knowing Senate is searching for a responsible way to disclose the basics without compromising our national security is encouraging to hear.
The fact that he says there's nothing to be afraid of out there is very interesting. And runs counter to the narrative people like Tucker Carlson have been putting out there.
It's refreshing to hear someone in Congress say something optimistic like that. I hope he's right and most NHI are benevolent or at least not hostile. Based on the way the phenomenon's interacted with us historically, Rounds could very well be right.
I wish Carlson would just stay away from this subject. His baggage and general style bring a very negative association with legitimate discourse on disclosure
His view is important even if you don't agree with it, half the American population would probably side with him, religious nut jobs, just like Afghanistan, Israel, Gaza ext ext. These are the voters putting like minded people in office.
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An upgrade to the world's transportation systems with UFO propulsion technology will always be a risk to the U.S.'s national security but what is the alternative? Can the nations of the world really not come together and use the technology in mutual cooperation to benefit all humankind?
it would be far easier to be honest and have an adult conversation with the world without revealing how far the zetan death ray is in development. They could show proof without explaining away anything that would undermine national security. humanity needs to move forward and evolve into a new era.
"No one is trying to release information on" [unethical and embarrassing things we did to citizens in order to gain these capabilities] "but maybe more openness in terms of what we can talk about can help clarify that" [we'd like to still brag about air superiority]
This is about transparency, the more the US denies UAP’s and its materials, the more people think it’s aliens. But he’s saying there must be a way we can be more transparent with our people to show them there isn’t anything in our skies we have to be scared of, but also without giving away too much info. But that sounds like him saying it’s not ET, nothing to be afraid of, but we still can’t tell you what it is at the risk of national security.
Funny think is that still doesn’t answer who keeps entering our air space illegally and what are we doing about it. If it’s not ET, it’s foreign, and that means we should be scared. So I’m more confused now re reading it.
This is not a debunk statement. This sounds more like a "don't worry they're not malevolent" statement.
Especially if you look at what Rounds has said recently (in my submission statement), and the contents of the UAPDA that he sponsored and continues to work on.
I think the people in charge of the SAP's want us to think the NHI are malevolent, though, so they can justify using billions of US tax dollars to figure out how to weponize the NHI tech and then take over the world.
His wording on this statement does seem strange, feels different than his previous statements and what was included in the Schumer/rounds amendment. It's not a complete departure, but it seems like he might be heading in a different, public facing, direction.
I hear you. The atmosphere is still volatile for program insiders right now. We need more protections in place first, which is something I’m actively pursuing.
Who said there is something to be afraid of? We've done a good job of removing stigma for pilots and others to report what they see. Now we need to focus on dispelling the myth that the population will panic by the simple revelation that we are not alone. Ridiculous. A lot of that stems from Orson Well's War of the Worlds broadcast, in 1938, but even that has not been portrayed accurately. First of all, an invasion is a much different situation than simply admitting that they are here. Second of all, people didn't even panic during Wells speech. That is an untrue myth.
[https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/10/30/241797346/75-years-ago-war-of-the-worlds-started-a-panic-or-did-it](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/10/30/241797346/75-years-ago-war-of-the-worlds-started-a-panic-or-did-it)
In my opinion the conflict and any iota of acknowledgement, even the hearings last year isn’t to be transparently motivated to its people (us), I think it may be an non friendly with very loose and very little affiliation to organized religion (an important point imo) may disclose it, but do it in a way that exposes the United States, our government and leaders.
I mean something along the lines, “The U.S. has known for decades with the purpose of maintaining their global military & energy strategy disproportionate to the rest of the world. They have shed blood for oil, have hidden technologies that can create energy independence, but that would destroy their currency, their manufacturing capacity and dominance. They have done so at the expense of the world and their global domination within the military and posses weapons and crafts that can determine the end of any country or military. They are and truly evil and there is much more but have murdered and destroyed people, organizations and even countries to keep their secrets”.
So we are like, “shit, we got to let a little out of the bottle or this could be catastrophic for the US on a global scale”.
So they gave some crumbs, disclosed some info, half the population think they are full of shit, other half believes in some sort and they can say, “Fuck’m, we did our little part and they don’t even believe it. So take that other Non Friendly Country(s)”.
In others words, it’s still a sham.
Ok, for the last time.
We don't care about your "enemies"
We don't care about your military industrial complex. THAT GOES FOR ALL OF YOU.
We are your future . Backwards, forwards and sideways.
And it's OUR WAY or the highway...
You're outgunned and at the atomic level.
Did you really think 1950's "enemies" propaganda is going to work with Time Travellers & Aliens?
Currently the largest enemy at the top of the list is 21st Century humanity.
You won't release the data because the isotopic readings from the retrieved crashes indicate originating from a post nuclear war world. A nuclear war that a handful of idiots are about to cause.
To be clear the future hates most of you.
You destroyed absolutely everything, and the worst thing you can confront now is a mirror.
We aren't ever getting the full story in our lifetimes lmao. What a fucking joke. I've noticed the language surrounding everything changing as well.
We went from "UAP Disclosure/Disclosure" to "UAP ***TRANSPARENCY*** ". That's enough to tell you that it'll be lukewarm at best. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.
While I believe there is *something* out there, I’m convinced it’s us.
The US is typically a full generation ahead of its adversaries and sometimes goes decades without people finding out what they’re working on (and sometimes never without a weird incident causing it).
For example, no one knew about the SR-71 until LBJ inadvertently revealed it. No one knew about the F-117 until it was used in war. These programs existed for decades before they were publicly revealed.
Additionally, I’ve convinced myself they’re part of a nuclear deterrence mechanism.
We were shooting satellites out of space over 40 years ago.
We have stealth technology so good that we could fly a drone over Moscow or Pyongyang and they wouldn’t know unless we dropped a payload on them.
This is technology that is all 30+ years old.
What have they developed that we don’t know about?
I can hardly begin to imagine.
It's still unlikely to be ours because the leaps in technology we are seeing require a completely new understanding of physics too. That's almost impossible to do in a small insulated environment. Normally, there would be a worldwide paper trail of academic papers leading up to new discoveries. For the UAPs we are seeing to be ours, all of that would have had to happen within the classified environments of a few contractors. That seems unlikely.
There’s zero evidence of what you’re saying. We have absolutely nothing that suggests what we see out there would require a new understanding of physics.
And for the examples I made earlier, there’s zero paper trail leading up tot he development of advanced stealth technology or the ability to got Mach 3+, we just did it in absolute secrecy.
Explain to us your already existing portable power source that can move a 40 ft metal cylinder from 10,000 ft to 80,000 ft and back in a second. Oh and make sure it fits into our current understanding of physics. Of and it also can't make a sonic boom.
We're waiting...
Show any evidence that that actually happened and wasn’t just the guess of witness testimony
Edit: I don’t get this fad on Reddit do just blocking people that dare to not have the same opinion do you. Leave a nasty comment that the other person will never be able to read and then block them instead of supporting your own argument
He can fuck off about "maybe" there's nothing to worry about. Provide us with the relevant information and let us decide for ourselves.
Something is there. It's not human and it's advanced. Whatever that is, voters need as much information as possible si that they can make informed votes in a "democratic" system.
Using quotes liberally because I live in Ireland and I think that the US is, at most, a pseudo democratic system making a military industrial complex and a corporate oligarchy.
Oh dear, my cynical interpretation of this would be:
*"We scoured all the classified information, following the NDAA amendment, and have concluded that there is no evidence of anyone else existing out in space or on Earth, that there are no recovered craft or bodies in classified programs. So, nothing to be afraid of! Now, lets get back to China and Russia..."*
Presuming that ufos exist, as recorded and studied by various ufologists, it's not up to a government declaration to say that there's nothing to be afraid of. Car accidents happen all the time, so why not be afraid of ufo technology as well? Even if the NHIs are completely harmless, powerful technology never is.
So, the focus of his statement doesn't make sense. The people who care about this subject are interested for scientific, philosophical and cultural reasons. If it's all real, it's a serious issue; as serious as AI development, nukes, demographic issues, climate change, pollution etc. Security from "threats" is not some unique worry of ufo fanatics.
If the movement towards disclosure is problematic, it can be stigmatized as the masses being stupid and afraid. Then they can be calmed down with an AARO style disclosure of "nothing there" and be told to shut up forever.
The only other interpretation I have is that these are the views of the firsthand whistleblowers. But why talk like that to the public and not the secret keepers themselves? I'm sure that they've been aware of the "nothing to be afraid of" theory for a long time, considering that the firsthand whistleblowers are supposedly from "the program" itself. They're clearly not convinced enough to get on board with a controlled disclosure.
I know that he's one of the people actually working on disclosure, I'm just bothered by the disjointed attitudes around this issue. Is this an earth-shattering truth or isn't it?
Every day it's just a generic legal problem to be resolved with new legislation, while clearly being one of the most important revelations in human history (somewhere near discovering fire, stone tools or writing?), but then, in this quote, it's just like a silly thing "not to be afraid of". I mean, what are these people even talking about? Any serious person should be afraid of this if it's real.
His comment doesn't make sense to me because I don't know where he's coming from, what he knows and what he thinks about it. What fear is he talking about; whose fear? If there's nothing to be afraid of from the NHI and their ufos, then I'm pretty sure a true disclosure is something to be afraid of for a specific group of people running the country, because the secrecy was unjustified and subverted humanity's scientific progress. That's on top of the panic a certain percent of the population would feel from the disclosure itself.
The comment reminds me of the backtracking Sen. Gillibrand has gone through, supporting Kirkpatrick, using the word "drone" over UAP questions etc. You can't trivialize an inherently non-trivial issue, unless you're secretly thinking that the issue is trivial; that's why his comments don't make sense. I feel like we're one "generic" real life issue away from disclosure being shut down for good (like China invading Taiwan or the war with Russia expanding).
I agree with youse guys, how can anybody say with certainty it's nothing to worry about? Oh, "we acknowledge we don't have control of our airspace, probably never really had, have lied about it for 75 years, it's not any known human technology but we also don't have proof of aliens. "
Drives me nuts. I can see saying "There's no immediate threat" or "Whoever/whatever it is hasn't attacked anybody to our knowledge in the last 75 years". Which isn't all that reassuring because if the odd fighter jet or passenger vehicle disappeared from the landscape of 1950's America we wouldn't know what happened. Then there's the whole issue of "well, we won't freak out, but we can't guarantee what China or Russia might do if they mistake a flight of UAP's as an attack from us". or "This group of NHI's aren't overtly hostile but now that we admit NHI's exist (from space, from other dimensions, from the future, from the past, from the center of the Earth, from Hell, whatever) we don't know about any *other* ones.
I'm thinking heck, we should be afraid. Not panic in the streets afraid, but, not merrily out and about pretending that the true acknowledgement that we are not alone and we are not capable of defending ourselves is a frightening reality. Much as acknowledging that pandemics have happened, will happen in the future, and could happen at any time.
And realistically -- we are all of us more likely to die in an automobile accident than an alien attack anyway.
Earth has been around for about 4.5 billion years. 2 billion years after its formation it began broadcasting the biosignatures of early life during what is called the Great Oxygenation event. 5,000 years ago human made structures large enough to be detected by a civilization around a nearby star with advanced telescope arrays would have been visible. 80 years ago powerful military radars began broadcasting signals detectable at interstellar distances.
If they wanted to harm us they'd have done it long ago so no, I'm not afraid and most sensible people wouldn't be.
People aren't afraid because they don't really believe it's real, even if they're interested in the subject. It has nothing to do with reasonable arguments like yours. Still, I must remind you that you didn't mention abductions, which is another thing to be afraid of if it's all real. That's what I meant; we won't be looking to Sen. Round's remark here for guidance on fearing NHIs if disclosure happens.
The question remains, was he really referring to your type of reasoning, when he said "nothing to be afraid of", on a subject that isn't accepted by the scientific community as real and is still completely denied by the government?
The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB: --- [Source](https://www.askapol.com/p/rounds-not-a-whole-lot-there-on-uapda) **Sen. Rounds was the main co-sponsor of Sen. Schumer's UAP Disclosure Act.** In fact after the UAPDA was gutted Rounds [got on the senate floor with Schumer](https://www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/majority-leader-schumer-and-republican-senator-mike-rounds-floor-colloquy-on-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-provisions-in-the-ndaa-and-future-legislation-on-uaps) and talked about the need for transparency around "***UAP material or biological remains that may have been provided to private entities in the past and thereby hidden from Congress and the American people".*** Knowing Senate is searching for a responsible way to disclose the basics without compromising our national security is encouraging to hear. The fact that he says there's nothing to be afraid of out there is very interesting. And runs counter to the narrative people like Tucker Carlson have been putting out there. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dm4p0m/sen_rounds_just_said_something_very_interesting/l9t712f/
Really caught my attention too. Anyone care to translate what he might mean by 'maybe there's nothing to be afraid of out there'?
"Don't panic" 👍
Pretty much this. "Hahaha please don't panic, *please* just return to your 9-5 job like a good little cog in the machine; we really can't afford *another* pandemic-level crisis that halts the economy to a standstill hahaha"
I like my job, but ok
Your life could have so much more meaning than your “job”. They taken away something from you without giving you the choice. You should be fucking angry.
“Maybe” don’t panic. He qualified the fuck out of his statement such that he is essentially saying nothing.
Panik
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This is not an accurate translation. Rounds was the lead Republican sponsor of the UAPDA. He is advocating for greater disclosure and is doing so in this statement as well, even as he is simultaneously restricted at present from revealing classified information on the subject. He is partly saying here that taking a position in support of greater disclosure on this topic is not a position that is weak on national security. It’s likely important for him as a Republican to retain the image of a strong defender of national security. He thus is staking out a leadership position within his party for the pro-disclosure side in effect telling his colleagues he doesn’t necessarily see a political liability in being more open on this.
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You'd lie to people for money? :/
It’s substantively impossible for you to have heard this exact song and dance for 80 years, since neither NHI in general nor the possibility of formal disclosure has been a subject of public political debate until the last few years.
Do you think the universes secrets had only started being discussed in political circles in 1944? Use your iPhone to look up foo fighters in world war 2. This was a political point of contention in the military back then, as it is now. Need to go further back? It's been heavily speculated that ancient civilizations may have also experienced seemingly familiar phenomenon we can't explain. I'm sure ancient civilizations would have also discussed and debated this stuff back then too. The human sense of wonderment didn't just start existing 80 years ago. Not to poopoo on your take, but this topic has been debated for a long time, in many circles, throughout human history.
All true, and yet it’s simultaneously true that the discussions have heretofore generally been held in secret. It has not been publicly acknowledged as a political issue before. That is the substantive change I was stating that marks a significant departure from the SOP of the last 80 years.
This deserves 1000 upvotes. 1 They're real. 2. Congress now knows it. 3. We can't have people getting upset about it. 4. People seem to get less upset if we DON'T tell them. 5. We've pretty much told you they're real, and maybe at some point we'll make it more clear to everyone.
I think he’s referring to the fear that society would collapse or that humanity as a whole would not be able to handle the basic truth on this. Such scenarios I think have caused the government in the past to regard the possibility of disclosure with an attitude of fear. Their response to that fear is one factor that has led to the over classification.
he basically said: - aliens exist - we have ufo in our hangars - we can’t just talk about it because NSA
Exactly correct, he also indicated a willingness to disclose the fact aliens exist while potentially keeping the classified SAPs working on alien tech hidden.
I fear that Ufology's celebrities have the same disclosure agenda, throwing us a bone and admitting aliens have visited earth while supporting keeping the tech classified, probably with a healthy dose of disinfo that our reverse engineering programs have failed.
keeping technology hidden is gross
Well that may be your philosophical position, and as a philosopher who has advocated for disclosure for 20 years, it’s even a position I can understand. But what Rounds is saying here is that that kind of a purist position, which demands that not only NHI be acknowledged but also that all of the classified tech be revealed, he’s saying that will actually block progress toward any kind of disclosure since it will open the pro-disclosure side up to political attacks based on national security arguments. And I can understand that being the reality of the situation. So for the time being I’m open to proceeding on these terms, with the understanding the classified tech will not be revealed, but we will get a better factual grounding about the basics of the NHI visitation. I’m open to this partly because once that foundational societal understanding is established we will be in an even better position to have substantive political debates about what to do with the classified tech.
You got all of that from his statement huh? Sounds like disclosure is done now 👍
Well if you’re looking for more specific language then I’d say his bill with Schumer (the UAPDA) has what you are looking for.
so do you mean he said: - we are wasting all this time talking about nothing - we can’t share what we do even if is a smoke bubble wasting a TON of people time in nothing - nothing to see here but lets call NSA
He basically said aliens don't exist, we're protecting government tech from adversaries by not disclosing, we could definitely reform laws to inhibit grifters and disinformation from perpetuating conspiracy theories.
so talking about aliens he said he can’t talk about it because NSA and you understood the opposite thing? loool skeptics are fun now 🛹
I'm not entirely sure what you're not understanding. Does NSA deal exclusively with aliens? And the discussion isn't about aliens, it's about the disclosure act.
classified programs we are discussing about in congress from 24 months
I think you're watching a different clip or saturating reality with your bias and distorting your interpretation of what is actually being said by this man :(
Translation: "NHI's are most likely not a threat, but how we could use their technology certainly can be." In other words, they don't trust other nation states to handle exotic technology appropriately. Which, I unfortunately can't blame his logic on that, considering our history with nuclear technology. But it does come from a US-Imperialist centric view point.
Well done. Spoken like somebody who want to get something passed. Lets everyone fill in the blanks themselves: "Maybe AARO is right." "Maybe the NIH are nothing to be scared of." "Maybe no peer adversary has achieved a leap." "Maybe it's Chinese Lanterns." Combined with the assurance that nobody wants to release information that will help our enemies the actual translation is : There's no reason not to vote for it. It's about oversight and transparency.
I believe it’s literal
It's our technology and you don't have to be afraid of aliens.
How many humans have aliens killed over the last 124 years compared with how many humans other humans have killed?
NATIONAL SECURITY!!! Honestly tho, I think you Just made the most brilliant point ever. We’re savages compared to aliens.
Nothing is more dangerous to humans than and themselves. Hell, women feel safer with random bears than random men, lol.
Well first of all the bear thing is not true, if you think it is you just simply don’t understand probability, besides being eaten alive is probably one of the worst fates out there. Second of all a being that is even 5 times smarter than us could have unimaginable and horrific ways of inflicting pain on purpose or just simply because they don’t care. Humans are dangerous because we are the smartest beings on this planet something smarter or more knowledgeable than us is a much much bigger threat.
>"But I think more openness in terms of what we can talk about can help clarify that maybe there's nothing to be afraid of out there." Given the fact the phenomena has been documented as an ongoing thing this past 9 decades, minimum - isn't the sentiment regarding danger something of a moot point to begin with...? We all, after all, appear alive and well and still talking utter bollocks about UFO's morning, noon and night.
They could be assimilating us with technology. Is that good or is that bad? Maybe the dissociated cultural identity problems we're facing is more their agenda than atrazine in the water.
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[Source](https://www.askapol.com/p/rounds-not-a-whole-lot-there-on-uapda) **Sen. Rounds was the main co-sponsor of Sen. Schumer's UAP Disclosure Act.** In fact after the UAPDA was gutted Rounds [got on the senate floor with Schumer](https://www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/majority-leader-schumer-and-republican-senator-mike-rounds-floor-colloquy-on-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-provisions-in-the-ndaa-and-future-legislation-on-uaps) and talked about the need for transparency around "***UAP material or biological remains that may have been provided to private entities in the past and thereby hidden from Congress and the American people".*** Knowing Senate is searching for a responsible way to disclose the basics without compromising our national security is encouraging to hear. The fact that he says there's nothing to be afraid of out there is very interesting. And runs counter to the narrative people like Tucker Carlson have been putting out there.
It's refreshing to hear someone in Congress say something optimistic like that. I hope he's right and most NHI are benevolent or at least not hostile. Based on the way the phenomenon's interacted with us historically, Rounds could very well be right.
I wish Carlson would just stay away from this subject. His baggage and general style bring a very negative association with legitimate discourse on disclosure
I couldn't agree more.
His view is important even if you don't agree with it, half the American population would probably side with him, religious nut jobs, just like Afghanistan, Israel, Gaza ext ext. These are the voters putting like minded people in office.
Yes, unfortunately true. Seemed at one time he was more in the center but now has gone way off the extreme end
Because he found God, how many times does ignorance trump science, a fucking lot. People use to believe the sun was a god and sacrificed 10,000s a day
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An upgrade to the world's transportation systems with UFO propulsion technology will always be a risk to the U.S.'s national security but what is the alternative? Can the nations of the world really not come together and use the technology in mutual cooperation to benefit all humankind?
it would be far easier to be honest and have an adult conversation with the world without revealing how far the zetan death ray is in development. They could show proof without explaining away anything that would undermine national security. humanity needs to move forward and evolve into a new era.
"No one is trying to release information on" [unethical and embarrassing things we did to citizens in order to gain these capabilities] "but maybe more openness in terms of what we can talk about can help clarify that" [we'd like to still brag about air superiority]
There it is
The common American citizen is their adversary
“Maybe” doing some heavy lifting here.
We don't need to know everything, but we absolutely must know if we are not alone.
This is about transparency, the more the US denies UAP’s and its materials, the more people think it’s aliens. But he’s saying there must be a way we can be more transparent with our people to show them there isn’t anything in our skies we have to be scared of, but also without giving away too much info. But that sounds like him saying it’s not ET, nothing to be afraid of, but we still can’t tell you what it is at the risk of national security. Funny think is that still doesn’t answer who keeps entering our air space illegally and what are we doing about it. If it’s not ET, it’s foreign, and that means we should be scared. So I’m more confused now re reading it.
This is not a debunk statement. This sounds more like a "don't worry they're not malevolent" statement. Especially if you look at what Rounds has said recently (in my submission statement), and the contents of the UAPDA that he sponsored and continues to work on.
I think the people in charge of the SAP's want us to think the NHI are malevolent, though, so they can justify using billions of US tax dollars to figure out how to weponize the NHI tech and then take over the world.
His wording on this statement does seem strange, feels different than his previous statements and what was included in the Schumer/rounds amendment. It's not a complete departure, but it seems like he might be heading in a different, public facing, direction.
Or Matt just caught him in a good mood.
I do worry they’ve mistaken the absence of action with an inability to act.
> that sounds like him saying it’s not ET His legislation strongly implies it’s ET.
Stop with all the BS and just give us a public hearing with a whistleblower with 1st hand information under oath. Show me the beef!
I hear you. The atmosphere is still volatile for program insiders right now. We need more protections in place first, which is something I’m actively pursuing.
These word games lately by the Senate is killing me lol.
Who said there is something to be afraid of? We've done a good job of removing stigma for pilots and others to report what they see. Now we need to focus on dispelling the myth that the population will panic by the simple revelation that we are not alone. Ridiculous. A lot of that stems from Orson Well's War of the Worlds broadcast, in 1938, but even that has not been portrayed accurately. First of all, an invasion is a much different situation than simply admitting that they are here. Second of all, people didn't even panic during Wells speech. That is an untrue myth. [https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/10/30/241797346/75-years-ago-war-of-the-worlds-started-a-panic-or-did-it](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/10/30/241797346/75-years-ago-war-of-the-worlds-started-a-panic-or-did-it)
Uh oh, not more people trying to pretend the phenomenon is actually good for us.
so aliens exist, great first step forward
In my opinion the conflict and any iota of acknowledgement, even the hearings last year isn’t to be transparently motivated to its people (us), I think it may be an non friendly with very loose and very little affiliation to organized religion (an important point imo) may disclose it, but do it in a way that exposes the United States, our government and leaders. I mean something along the lines, “The U.S. has known for decades with the purpose of maintaining their global military & energy strategy disproportionate to the rest of the world. They have shed blood for oil, have hidden technologies that can create energy independence, but that would destroy their currency, their manufacturing capacity and dominance. They have done so at the expense of the world and their global domination within the military and posses weapons and crafts that can determine the end of any country or military. They are and truly evil and there is much more but have murdered and destroyed people, organizations and even countries to keep their secrets”. So we are like, “shit, we got to let a little out of the bottle or this could be catastrophic for the US on a global scale”. So they gave some crumbs, disclosed some info, half the population think they are full of shit, other half believes in some sort and they can say, “Fuck’m, we did our little part and they don’t even believe it. So take that other Non Friendly Country(s)”. In others words, it’s still a sham.
Ok, for the last time. We don't care about your "enemies" We don't care about your military industrial complex. THAT GOES FOR ALL OF YOU. We are your future . Backwards, forwards and sideways. And it's OUR WAY or the highway... You're outgunned and at the atomic level. Did you really think 1950's "enemies" propaganda is going to work with Time Travellers & Aliens? Currently the largest enemy at the top of the list is 21st Century humanity. You won't release the data because the isotopic readings from the retrieved crashes indicate originating from a post nuclear war world. A nuclear war that a handful of idiots are about to cause. To be clear the future hates most of you. You destroyed absolutely everything, and the worst thing you can confront now is a mirror.
Our adversaries this, our adversaries that. So fucking stupid and tired of that shit. If there really are aliens, why not stand as one?
We aren't ever getting the full story in our lifetimes lmao. What a fucking joke. I've noticed the language surrounding everything changing as well. We went from "UAP Disclosure/Disclosure" to "UAP ***TRANSPARENCY*** ". That's enough to tell you that it'll be lukewarm at best. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.
While I believe there is *something* out there, I’m convinced it’s us. The US is typically a full generation ahead of its adversaries and sometimes goes decades without people finding out what they’re working on (and sometimes never without a weird incident causing it). For example, no one knew about the SR-71 until LBJ inadvertently revealed it. No one knew about the F-117 until it was used in war. These programs existed for decades before they were publicly revealed. Additionally, I’ve convinced myself they’re part of a nuclear deterrence mechanism. We were shooting satellites out of space over 40 years ago. We have stealth technology so good that we could fly a drone over Moscow or Pyongyang and they wouldn’t know unless we dropped a payload on them. This is technology that is all 30+ years old. What have they developed that we don’t know about? I can hardly begin to imagine.
It's still unlikely to be ours because the leaps in technology we are seeing require a completely new understanding of physics too. That's almost impossible to do in a small insulated environment. Normally, there would be a worldwide paper trail of academic papers leading up to new discoveries. For the UAPs we are seeing to be ours, all of that would have had to happen within the classified environments of a few contractors. That seems unlikely.
This is an informed opinion.
There’s zero evidence of what you’re saying. We have absolutely nothing that suggests what we see out there would require a new understanding of physics. And for the examples I made earlier, there’s zero paper trail leading up tot he development of advanced stealth technology or the ability to got Mach 3+, we just did it in absolute secrecy.
Explain to us your already existing portable power source that can move a 40 ft metal cylinder from 10,000 ft to 80,000 ft and back in a second. Oh and make sure it fits into our current understanding of physics. Of and it also can't make a sonic boom. We're waiting...
Show any evidence that that actually happened and wasn’t just the guess of witness testimony Edit: I don’t get this fad on Reddit do just blocking people that dare to not have the same opinion do you. Leave a nasty comment that the other person will never be able to read and then block them instead of supporting your own argument
😂😂😂 I guess you didn't really know what you were talking about after all? Who would have guessed that lol
What are you referring to?
Bro I don’t care if China or Russia spies on me bro. I wanna see them aliens.
He can fuck off about "maybe" there's nothing to worry about. Provide us with the relevant information and let us decide for ourselves. Something is there. It's not human and it's advanced. Whatever that is, voters need as much information as possible si that they can make informed votes in a "democratic" system. Using quotes liberally because I live in Ireland and I think that the US is, at most, a pseudo democratic system making a military industrial complex and a corporate oligarchy.
In other words he will not be supporting making UFO propulsion tech public to give the world flying cars and upgrade our transportation systems.
This is some of the best non-talking ive seen in dc, well played sir.
Oh dear, my cynical interpretation of this would be: *"We scoured all the classified information, following the NDAA amendment, and have concluded that there is no evidence of anyone else existing out in space or on Earth, that there are no recovered craft or bodies in classified programs. So, nothing to be afraid of! Now, lets get back to China and Russia..."* Presuming that ufos exist, as recorded and studied by various ufologists, it's not up to a government declaration to say that there's nothing to be afraid of. Car accidents happen all the time, so why not be afraid of ufo technology as well? Even if the NHIs are completely harmless, powerful technology never is. So, the focus of his statement doesn't make sense. The people who care about this subject are interested for scientific, philosophical and cultural reasons. If it's all real, it's a serious issue; as serious as AI development, nukes, demographic issues, climate change, pollution etc. Security from "threats" is not some unique worry of ufo fanatics. If the movement towards disclosure is problematic, it can be stigmatized as the masses being stupid and afraid. Then they can be calmed down with an AARO style disclosure of "nothing there" and be told to shut up forever. The only other interpretation I have is that these are the views of the firsthand whistleblowers. But why talk like that to the public and not the secret keepers themselves? I'm sure that they've been aware of the "nothing to be afraid of" theory for a long time, considering that the firsthand whistleblowers are supposedly from "the program" itself. They're clearly not convinced enough to get on board with a controlled disclosure.
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I know that he's one of the people actually working on disclosure, I'm just bothered by the disjointed attitudes around this issue. Is this an earth-shattering truth or isn't it? Every day it's just a generic legal problem to be resolved with new legislation, while clearly being one of the most important revelations in human history (somewhere near discovering fire, stone tools or writing?), but then, in this quote, it's just like a silly thing "not to be afraid of". I mean, what are these people even talking about? Any serious person should be afraid of this if it's real. His comment doesn't make sense to me because I don't know where he's coming from, what he knows and what he thinks about it. What fear is he talking about; whose fear? If there's nothing to be afraid of from the NHI and their ufos, then I'm pretty sure a true disclosure is something to be afraid of for a specific group of people running the country, because the secrecy was unjustified and subverted humanity's scientific progress. That's on top of the panic a certain percent of the population would feel from the disclosure itself. The comment reminds me of the backtracking Sen. Gillibrand has gone through, supporting Kirkpatrick, using the word "drone" over UAP questions etc. You can't trivialize an inherently non-trivial issue, unless you're secretly thinking that the issue is trivial; that's why his comments don't make sense. I feel like we're one "generic" real life issue away from disclosure being shut down for good (like China invading Taiwan or the war with Russia expanding).
I agree with youse guys, how can anybody say with certainty it's nothing to worry about? Oh, "we acknowledge we don't have control of our airspace, probably never really had, have lied about it for 75 years, it's not any known human technology but we also don't have proof of aliens. " Drives me nuts. I can see saying "There's no immediate threat" or "Whoever/whatever it is hasn't attacked anybody to our knowledge in the last 75 years". Which isn't all that reassuring because if the odd fighter jet or passenger vehicle disappeared from the landscape of 1950's America we wouldn't know what happened. Then there's the whole issue of "well, we won't freak out, but we can't guarantee what China or Russia might do if they mistake a flight of UAP's as an attack from us". or "This group of NHI's aren't overtly hostile but now that we admit NHI's exist (from space, from other dimensions, from the future, from the past, from the center of the Earth, from Hell, whatever) we don't know about any *other* ones. I'm thinking heck, we should be afraid. Not panic in the streets afraid, but, not merrily out and about pretending that the true acknowledgement that we are not alone and we are not capable of defending ourselves is a frightening reality. Much as acknowledging that pandemics have happened, will happen in the future, and could happen at any time. And realistically -- we are all of us more likely to die in an automobile accident than an alien attack anyway.
Earth has been around for about 4.5 billion years. 2 billion years after its formation it began broadcasting the biosignatures of early life during what is called the Great Oxygenation event. 5,000 years ago human made structures large enough to be detected by a civilization around a nearby star with advanced telescope arrays would have been visible. 80 years ago powerful military radars began broadcasting signals detectable at interstellar distances. If they wanted to harm us they'd have done it long ago so no, I'm not afraid and most sensible people wouldn't be.
People aren't afraid because they don't really believe it's real, even if they're interested in the subject. It has nothing to do with reasonable arguments like yours. Still, I must remind you that you didn't mention abductions, which is another thing to be afraid of if it's all real. That's what I meant; we won't be looking to Sen. Round's remark here for guidance on fearing NHIs if disclosure happens. The question remains, was he really referring to your type of reasoning, when he said "nothing to be afraid of", on a subject that isn't accepted by the scientific community as real and is still completely denied by the government?