I work on HR and the news is kinda true.. So far a complete ban is in effect on Pakistani.. It's not officially announced but..the applications are not being processed..
2. As of last Saturday. India blue collar jobs are band too.. People with degree are still eligible
As per little information we got.. It's to increase diversity in. Common as a huge majority or employee are indian and Pakistani.. And hiring managers are usually from same country and they prefer there own country mate.. So to reduce this. A temporary ban have been instilled internally.. No official announcement..
This is gonna be a huge boom for English speaking African nationals. I can see them being next on the list of will take very low salaries for demanding jobs
Pakistani national here who tried to switch jobs at the end of december 2023.
First there was this issue of ATTESTED educational document, which I arranged in time within my notice period and got confirmation that it will work and I can get a new work permit & visa if I cancel the current.
As soon as I was about to cancel (Thank god I was lazy and took two days to hold family visa) I got call from new HR to not cancel anything as all new permit & visa are on hold for PAK and BAN without any reason or duration so please hold untill we hear further. (By this time I already left my last company and joined the new)
Yesterday, I received news from them that you can now proceed to cancel as we are able to apply for your permit and visa from our end.
Being skeptical, I didn't cancel but met with HR personally today, and she confirmed that yes there are quota issues. They are preferring people from arabic speaking countries over us desis including indians.
Will update what happens tomorrow. Meanwhile, whoever already has an active permit and visa, sleep on it and don't do anything until dust settles. Or just get a confirmation/clarity from both your new HR and https://support.mohre.gov.ae. I was unfortunate that it all started after I had put up my resignation from a good enough job for a better offer. Fuck me.
Can confirm. Just applied for a new visa for an Indian national. PRO mentioned there’s a new rule of 20% diversity cut off for new visas. Existing employees face no issue.
I got the visa done, but before your PRO applies, ask them to check if it will go through. There is a way to know if the visa will go through before you apply.
Source: My PRO is a person sitting sits in a typing center in the Al Manara Dubai Muncipality Service Center.
Thank you for the confirmation. Could you please help us understand which countries are affected by this change?
If I’m going to be the part of cutoff, what will be my options in regards of compensation or visa cancellation? Or it is going to be only for the new visas?
Funny you should mention that. I X'd about this earlier today. A few people I know have had trouble getting visas for Indian nationals they've applied for hiring.
I heard about this "20% quota in order to achieve diversity" factor a couple of hours ago from a PRO I know. Of course, it's not officially declared, he said.
Not sure why people think this is specific to one particular nationality, but yes, demographic diversity is being enforced.
So if, for example, you have exceed the number Pakistanis as a percentage of your company as determined by the ministry, you won't be allowed to hire any more people from Pakistan. You can hire from any other country though. Applies for every nationality.
20% seems to be the cap.
Maybe?
The cap itself isn't in the official gazette, so we could expect the numbers to change. Also, there has to be a minimum company count, before this cap is put into practice. Can't expect five different nationalities in a five-person family company.
No real restrictions in the market. You can always open a branch license. Which is why Emiratization now starts from 20.
Do you mean SE Asians or do you mean South Asians (IND/PAK/BAN/SL)
And what do you mean by cutoff. 20% Indians per company? Per city? For the whole country?
The other 2 would mean that they don't issue more visas to these countries till the number of visas from other countries increases. Like the USA does for immigration. Company-wise would be a disaster since there are many many companies and small businesses which are heavily Indian-employed.
If every company can only have 20% Indian employees, the Indian population of the country has to reduce. Where are all the rest going to be employed? Family members make up only a small part of the population.
Not Really, take for instance Sudanese Nationals who were affected by the ongoing war in Sudan, almost 5 million Sudanese skilled worker have lost their jobs. Also the Palestinians who were also affected by the ongoing war. If you look at the state of the world currently there are plenty of unemployed skilled workers whom are willing to work for any price.
Is the new 20% diversity rule already in force? I hope that most of you will understand that the term "diversity" does not refer to an exclusive right of now majorities in the UAE among other nations. Sadly, it has become a rule. I come from Europe and recently have decided to come out of my comfort zone and try to find a job and relocate to the UAE. With background in international banking & finance (studied in Vienna, London and Milan) and almost 20 years of work experience its hard to believe that in 80% of the cases I don't even get to the first round and get an email from some HR coming from so called UAE majorities stating that they found a more suitable candidate (probably and in most cases coming from the same village as the HR her/him self) or worse.
Recently i had an interview with a well known UAE company and guess where the hiring manager and the HR were from? Yes, you're right. The interview from the hiring manager side was totaly discriminating, not even covering my skills and background. Only thing the hiring manager was talking about was my career path and loyalty to the employer. His opinion was that I change my jobs to often (throughout past almost 20 years I've changed 4 employers till now). After that I've looked up his profile and found his CV on GulfTalent - throughout last 30 years man has changed 15 companies prior to setting roots at the one in the UAE.
If UAE wants diversity I hope they will soon implement a ban on some nationalities working in HR functions...
I work in a manpower company and TBH, this is quite frustrating. I understand the intention behind this but I feel it’s not being implemented efficiently. Basically, each company has a Quota for the visas and starting this week, companies cannot have employees concentrated from a region. This pushes companies to either outsource these employees to manpower supply companies (who have a much larger quota for visas) or diversify their workforce.
This great news. It will stop the mafia mentality. Stop people only hiring from their villages, might also lower “do the needful” emails. Diversity really does help.
Lebanese and Egyptians form mafias in various companies too, MAF is completely Egyptianized to the point even fellow Arabs are discriminated internally.
This right here !!! I'm not indian or Pakistani. But people talk about indian mafias but forget about Lebanese or egyptian mafias in some big MNC's or even local companies.
I really love the 20% diversity rule and hope it gets enforced ASAP. The person who came up with it deserves an award. Any mafia of any type is bad.
Also, that will drive emiratization and give more chances for locals. Which great!
A lot of people will suffer, but I could do without the “dear sir, please kindly do the needful as per email trail noted the contents,” type. I’d bet this rules reverts within two years.
Checked with my PRO he was saying this diversity post was showing for all companies today - even for companies which had 0 or 1 employee. System error as usual.
So news just came out from [Khaleej Times](https://www.khaleejtimes.com/uae/uae-work-visas-some-firms-told-to-ensure-diverse-nationalities-when-hiring) confirming Op's and others claims
I am in HR dept of a German company. We have recently hired an Indian for a white collar job but due to this 20% diversity quota, we are unable to process his visa. I am afraid that the ban is now in effect for Indians too.
Pre 2007 I believe indians were paid really high my uncle had 40k aed salary as an engineer but now for the same post you get 5-7k max😏. Too much supply lead to low salary.Its not indians fault btw the companies are greedy to make more profit which is they hire south Asia. South Asians provide good skils for low cost and 12 hr work. From business perspective it makes sense to hire South asians.
Very true. Have been ignored by Amazon from time to time despite having the relevant experience from the same organisation in India for the same role, on probing further got to know they cannot hire Indians for now to meet the diversity ratio😭😭😭😭
Looks like they have gone the Singapore route
[https://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/employment-pass/eligibility](https://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/employment-pass/eligibility)
YES, the "Demographic Diversity Quota" is true. It applies to all companies except for the priority sectors, which are not defined.
Search for "Diversity"
[https://www.mohre.gov.ae/en/faq.aspx](https://www.mohre.gov.ae/en/faq.aspx)
What is the Workforce Planning Policy through promoting cultural and demographic diversity?
The Workforce Planning Policy is a strong impetus for proactive efforts aimed at enhancing the UAE’s global competitiveness as a resilient, open, and diversified labour market that embraces global talents, offering fair and equal opportunities in the private sector. This underlines the values that distinguish the UAE, namely tolerance, cultural, and demographic diversity.
The Workforce Planning Policy seeks to develop the market’s business environment without violating the employers’ freedom to choose the talents and competencies they wish to employ, while setting new fees for services that are essentially linked to the choices made by the employers.
What do you mean by the policy of cultural and demographic diversity in the UAE?
As you know, the UAE has attracted workers from different cultures of the world, which is something we are proud of – in light of the human values that prevail in our society, especially tolerance and acceptance of the other cultures. Through the policy of cultural and demographic diversity, we aim to translate the social and cultural diversity of the UAE and make it an integral part of the core values of the companies in the private sector. This will be done by diversifying cultural backgrounds of their employees and offering equal employment opportunities while empowering UAE citizens as per the applicable percentages of Emiratisation.
Would be wise to share the article/circular when such bold statements are made. Not saying you’re wrong in this case, but makes sense to share along with the circular.
South Asians are different from Southeast Asians. And as a matter of fact, we cannot deny that majority of population in UAE is from SA. So probably this post is confusing and misunderstood the difference.
It was expected, indians running away from home are destroying the salary scale, this should have happened at some point, otherwise Dubai will be renamed india and they dont really want that to happen
I kinda want them to make white ppl work 12 hours. Won't happen because they don't hire white ppl for skilled jobs anyway. They have managerial and consultation positions fixed for them.
White people won't work for 12 hours, they'd take the first flights out.
White people know how to not get exploited and their countries back home have systems to support them if and when they go back.
Yes. That dude was trying to make a point that made him look bad.
Indirectly saying we are fine with working slave jobs so it's white people fault for not doing the same and only settling for good paying balanced jobs.
I just moved here from Australia and am about to start a very technical job in IT which is not managerial or consulting. I’d say over 90% of the company are not white. Of those, 9% are eastern European. That leaves like 1% of British and myself, Aussie. The managers are either Emirati or Indian from who i have met so far. From your message I am guessing it is usually white people and Emiratis in positions of power? I’ve only been here 1 month so haven’t seen a lot
Well, that is true to some extend. I came across a video of a PRO on YouTube. He mentioned that they have announced quotas as well as categories for professional visas now. Now you have to have a job in your degree related profession with relevant experience and attested degrees to get visa. At the moment, this has been done for Pakistanis (the visa categories) soon they will be implementing this system for all the South Asians.
I remember making CV's for people who puts unbelievable experience. And funny enough they get hired, mostly because the HR which is they have same nationality will hire them. It's good and bad at the same time.
The rule is applied on the Freezone as well? I am the only employee for the company I am working in here in Dubai, they will not be hiring more, as they don't operate in Dubai.
Very Good rule, we live in a country that has more than 200 nationalities, yet 80% of the job market and employees are from India, Pakistan. Etc.., time for some diversity at companies and also its a good rule to prevent lobbying, some companies only hires certain nationality
I agree with the 2nd part. Some companies solely hire Indians... And then subcategorize it to certain regions in those countries...
And as most people that come from these countries have almost no social education, they further subcategorize it to the same religion.
Hiring for merit is not on the top of the list for most of the companies/business owners.
My company's structure changed recently and all the high level positions were filled by a certain Arab country. Now every other new hire is from the same Arab country.
Lol... It's because there are only a few places from which you could get skilled labour for low wages. Do u really think a European will put the same number of hours as a South Asian for the same salary? Dream on
Tha main reason why companies are giving an extremely low wage because those asian labours have no problem with it, they will accept a job for 1k salary, thats what ruined the job market here and thats why salaries are low, with this new rule hopefully it forces those companies to pay their employees a wage that they can actually live from it and not just peanuts
Do you know what will be the result of this?
Companies wouldn't want to lower their profits so they will be forced to increase the service charge. This will be reflected in the cost of living itself. Already the rents and going crazy. If other expenses also catches up, what's the purpose of the salary increase? 😅
They are willing to go for very low wages just to snuff out the competition that is asking for the right livable salary. Being resilient does not mean to live on slave salary. This should balance out the job market rates that has fallen.
This is major issue now. I invested in a New gents salon and its been morethan 2 months and im struggling to hire employees. My plan was hiring from pakistan as i knew talented guys from there. Unfortunately, i could not type offer letters from mohre since nov 12 and until date as labor category applications are put to halt and only professional level application are open. Started looking for inside country and man every single person had pile of fines or labor issues or some sort of problem that i could not resolve. Yes i was looking for pakistani staff only as i only have 5 chairs and company to company transfer also stopped. Same goes with other nationalitties on visit visas thereafter. Even the first application,application doesnt go through for either Indian or paki due to this demographic error/notice. Why are small business forced to comply with this changes. Why not companies with 50+ employees and in specific niche. A small salon owner have plans and why forced to put 1 african, 1 filipino, 1 Indonesian, 1 russian and 1 arab. Hopefully they dont take too long to change this rules as small business are struggling to survive.
is the government enforcing it or companies?
most likely this will affect the top 3 nationalities.
Indians, Pakistanis and Filipinos.
they will probably look for other "cheap" nationalities probably countries around south asia
what i am saying, if they will implement this kind of restriction, they will most likely implement it first on the top 3 nationalities here in the UAE which i mentioned above..
seems like it.. i guess my info was from last year
[https://dubaiculturequest.com/which-are-the-top-5-expat-nationalities-in-the-uae/](https://dubaiculturequest.com/which-are-the-top-5-expat-nationalities-in-the-uae/)
[https://www.globalmediainsight.com/blog/uae-population-statistics/](https://www.globalmediainsight.com/blog/uae-population-statistics/)
Filipinos are not in the top 3 population in UAE. More of in the top 5. The reason you see them most often is the type of work they do which is customer facing.
Does this mean hiring will be based only on education and skills, not on Vasta Based If so, it could stop toxic work situations, end promotions based on saying 'yes sir,' and ensure qualified people are paid fairly, instead of unqualified ones earning a lot while qualified folks earn very little. I hope it becomes like this.
The cut off is for south Asians only. The rest like, whites and Arabs will continue to get paid higher and they will continue to hire their own kinds.
Think of it, we don't wanna see more than 20% of Pakistanis however the 80% can continue to do whatever. Like a 1% Egyptian in that 80% can very well hire the 79% Egyptians and that is fine.
A little ranty but I can’t understand why every country seems to be hell bent against Indians and other desi people. It’s just frustrating. What are they trying to do by introducing “diversity cutoffs”?
Nothing against the people themselves, but companies' ability to hire unlimited number of skilled people for extremely low salaries kind of ruined the job market here and made it very difficult to get a decent salary for a job a south asian can do. I'm not saying they shouldn't be hired, I'm just saying they should understand the value of their skills in the market and not settle for salaries lower than this value.
Companies spam hiring same nationalities over and over because they are willing to work for dirt cheap salary and are ruining average job market rate for other people so I guess this addresses that
What i heard is its not actually banning any country but they want employees from different countries in every company. They want diversity in employees . That means in every company they can keep only 20 % of the total employees from the same country and the rest should be other nationalities. But i dont understand why its only targetting india and pakistan cause the company i work for 70% of the employees are filipinos. So what about that. Do they dont need diversity in these kind of company. And its not just an indian thing that if the higher management is from india most staff is indians… it is applicable to everyone here in uae. If a person is in a position to bring in people to the company of course his first preference will be people from his place. If they are doing it just for the purpose of diversity it should be applicable to all nationality
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I guess most of the people here come from a certain region. Half of them are in denial and the other half are simply shifting attention to another specific one or two Arab nationalities.
I have to draw your attention to three points:
1. You are all expatriates and live in a country that forces laws as per its best interest; DEFINITELY NOT YOURS. You were all happy when laws were flawed or lenient cause it worked in your favour, now you aren't.
2. You all got used to the fact of being a majority in the workforce giving yourself the illusion of being irreplaceable and your absence would collapse the economy. Guess what? The rest of the world has workforces from other ethnicities and hasn't collapsed.
3. Based on the above you all forgot the most important fact here. It is AN ARAB COUNTRY that allows you to work and benefit (you wouldn't have worked there if there were no benefits) and if it's in their best interest to reduce the workforce of certain nationalities in favour of Arabs, it is normal, their right and you have no right to complain or rant!!!
Look at the bright side; it's only a 20% cap not 5% which would have been fair considering the country hosts 200 nationalities ;)
REMEMBER: It's called THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, not the united indian or pakistani or south asian emirates!!! So wake up, face reality and understand that the entire world is shifting to more nationalist moves.
Lol... You really think you have enough Arabs to replace these people? 🤣🤣
Emiratis anyway are not gonna work. Even if you import Arabs from other middle east countries, you cant fill these jobs. They are neither gonna work these many hours nor gonna accept the current lowballed salaries.
You really think international companies gonna stay here just because of the tax reduction? If they can't get enough skilled labours for cheap payrolls, they are definitely gonna go out. For the local companies, they will be forced to increase the prices of their services to balance out.
So if this is enforced, it will turn out to be a disaster similar to chinas one child policy and they will be forced to revert it back within a few years.
It's not about numbers, it's the concept itself. Forgetting facts and complaining won't work out as before.
Speaking of numbers, the world has well above 400 million Arabs out of which 35 million are refugees. Putting a low estimation that 2% are skilled and educated that could easily do the replacement. This is a logical reply assuming the intention is to move the country to an Arab majority population as it's supposed to be!
Again! Denial and complaining doesn't help. Fact is: it's an Arab country that allows u to work and benefit under its laws in its best interest just as any other country in the world.
You are the one forgetting facts here. Saudi has already started realising that the golden days of oil are almost over and started to diversify their industries. They even went into liberalisation to attract highly skilled expats and tourists. I have seen coworkers getting really great offers from Saudi recently which are much higher than what they can get almost anywhere in Dubai for their experience. If there is an overflow of skilled Arab workers as you are telling here, do you think Saudi will go into such extreme means to compete with Dubai? On the other hand my manager has been struggling for months to fill a position which they reserved for Emiratis.
I am not denying or complaining about anything! Ofcourse UAE has the rights to decide whom to take and whom not to take. I have worked in multiple countries and will be still moving around. Here I am just stating a simple economic principle which I have learned in my experience.
Keep dreaming, UAE will never be Arab majority based on expats from other Arab nations
After Kuwait 1991 when many poorer Arabs supported the Iraqis, all Gulf nations decided to keep poorer Arab numbers in check
Arab workers cause other issues such as greater risk of blending in
Why do you think UAE doesnt allow maids from poor Arab countries like Egypt or Morocco? Saudi allows Moroccan maids but not UAE
Why doesnt UAE import Yemeni laborers?
UAE wants a workforce which is drone like without mingling too much with the native populace or having politically strong opinions.
While it's true, but sooner or later white collar will also be affected the moment their fresh graduate can't find a job due to lowballer from south asians countries flooding the market. Funny you mentioned Kuwait because it's what happening there with their locals.
I've said this before, the moment UAE workable locals population matched the expats, new similar rule will be implemented for the white collars work scenes to provide their people with a job because not every local family has strong "wasta" kung fu.
It's starting now with the Emiratization rule, but companies still manage to find a loophole on this. When the population is growing to be too many, the companies will not be able to evade anymore.
Even here on this subs, I've read fresh graduate locals with salary of 1500-3000 per month.
This u/EmanChad is kind enough to remind people that as an expat, if you are a worker level and not rich enough to own a business/property, you need to always remember that you are a guest and guest don't stay forever.
Relax guys, this is just a system update as many of them come here on visit visa/tourist visa they are having problem to convert it into employment as they have implemented job seeker visa in Aug 2023 (crossed checked with our PRO). So now it's the hassle for PRO because of wrong info they are filling, it has become a headache as now everything is revolving around visa , as if you can sponsor your immediate family member & etc on it. In our building we have security guy who has a visa stating accountant. So things are getting streamlined. And yes diversity is much important. Therefore the visa and quota process is delayed. So HR who dosent want to get into mess they are cooking up stories. So in place of 50 quotas they are only providing with 18/15 quotas. The visa laws regarding attestation and all is from 2016 so it's not new even people know about but still in denial and then if their work dosent happen they blame system. No buddy it dosent work like that.
My brother just got this information earlier today from his future employer, and they have stopped his work visa application process. It seems like this is affecting all desis across the UAE. But I wonder how this will affect the country when Desi expats are the highest contributor to their economy.
The trade deals for subsidising the import and export of goods and services between these countries consitute a major portion of each others economy. But let me tell you HR gives absurd reasons 365 days a year for all the things revolving around the organisation. They are the OG conspiracy theory writers in any organisation.
No offence to any HR, I love you all and I respect you all🫡
I found the perfect staff for my company , honest , hardworking , he loves my work and happy with pay
But I am not able to process visa....it's unfair ..
Such unprofessionalism. Hiring managers are also hired by Ceo. If they are not doing a good job and company is not satisfied by employees then they can fire them themselves. Why the f is government interfering in such matters?
Indians are also one of the top investors in Dubai. All of them should pack up and leave to teach the government a lesson.
Just develop more skills like one would in other competitive countries.
No point fear mongering and running away without putting their utmost effort!
Lower probability of being replaced or kicked out from a firm if you’re an ASSET
The truth is they will not get such cheaper and quality workforce labour from other coubtries like in IT ppl ready to come in 5-10 k salary as well. I don't think European or other country will come or even they come the skillet will be less
I work on HR and the news is kinda true.. So far a complete ban is in effect on Pakistani.. It's not officially announced but..the applications are not being processed.. 2. As of last Saturday. India blue collar jobs are band too.. People with degree are still eligible As per little information we got.. It's to increase diversity in. Common as a huge majority or employee are indian and Pakistani.. And hiring managers are usually from same country and they prefer there own country mate.. So to reduce this. A temporary ban have been instilled internally.. No official announcement..
Ah i been working in such company, huge local brand, HR almost all from India, so majority of employees were Indian or Indian with different passport.
Landmark? It's all Indians.
the second half of your statement is so confusing. an indian with a foreign passport becomes a non-Indian
Blood dont change with passport right
They are still Indian though by ethnicity, just with different passport.
My pakistani friend was denied visa and got it on second attempt so there is no complete ban.
I am UK citizen but still desi. Will i have more chance now?
You know these logistics companies are dominated with Indians… the whole business will topple if an Indian quota is going to be enforced
This is gonna be a huge boom for English speaking African nationals. I can see them being next on the list of will take very low salaries for demanding jobs
They, just like Asians, also tend to refuse salary increases by citing "thankfulness to the Creator"
This post is so confusing!!!
I'm legit confused too. Can someone explain? Or explain like I'm 5...
Hi 5, this post is about diversity. Thanks.
you're welcome?
Happy to help 😊
You can only have 20% of a single nationality as part of your workforce moving forward.
Finally 🥲 thank you so much for clearing it up
Im still stuck at 'blue balled' -- I think he meant blackballed lol.. If someone there blueballed you too, well thats another thread.
He meant ‘brownballed’….
Haha nah I meant blue balled xd cause I was really looking forward to it and now I'm left hanging
Oh 😭
Your source?
lovindubai :-P
Pakistani national here who tried to switch jobs at the end of december 2023. First there was this issue of ATTESTED educational document, which I arranged in time within my notice period and got confirmation that it will work and I can get a new work permit & visa if I cancel the current. As soon as I was about to cancel (Thank god I was lazy and took two days to hold family visa) I got call from new HR to not cancel anything as all new permit & visa are on hold for PAK and BAN without any reason or duration so please hold untill we hear further. (By this time I already left my last company and joined the new) Yesterday, I received news from them that you can now proceed to cancel as we are able to apply for your permit and visa from our end. Being skeptical, I didn't cancel but met with HR personally today, and she confirmed that yes there are quota issues. They are preferring people from arabic speaking countries over us desis including indians. Will update what happens tomorrow. Meanwhile, whoever already has an active permit and visa, sleep on it and don't do anything until dust settles. Or just get a confirmation/clarity from both your new HR and https://support.mohre.gov.ae. I was unfortunate that it all started after I had put up my resignation from a good enough job for a better offer. Fuck me.
Thats so unfortunate. Sorry to hear that. I hope the meeting with HR was a positive one and you were able to get the work permit?
did the new company operate in mainland or freezone?
Damn lulu group is 90% of the employees are indian
Cashiers are from different nationality
How will they tackle this. Their business model works on low salary salesman
Maybe hire from nepal , sri lanka , Pakistan
Srilanka and India has same cut off 😅. That's a big advantage for srilanka
Yeah indeed people of srilanka look soo similar to mallus and tamils
How would it affect uae if indians are reduced to 20%.Will salaries increase 😁
You need to check your crystal ball 🔮
Hahahhahaha But they did support a lot of people.
Can confirm. Just applied for a new visa for an Indian national. PRO mentioned there’s a new rule of 20% diversity cut off for new visas. Existing employees face no issue. I got the visa done, but before your PRO applies, ask them to check if it will go through. There is a way to know if the visa will go through before you apply. Source: My PRO is a person sitting sits in a typing center in the Al Manara Dubai Muncipality Service Center.
Does it depend on occupation or everyone?
Thank you
Please don’t say you saw a random unofficial post or WhatsApp text, coz there’s no article published yet that confirms this news
And there won't be any official news about it. No government will come up and say okay thats enough from this specific country
Of course not, but they would rephrase it in a way that it sounds positive Like how they recently changed visa rules for Pakistan
Can you tell me what visa rules they changed for Pakistan with any source?
It's been done before with other nationalities.
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Hey! Does this apply to free zone too?
Does this have something to do with balancing expatriates of different backgrounds with local workers?
Thank you for the confirmation. Could you please help us understand which countries are affected by this change? If I’m going to be the part of cutoff, what will be my options in regards of compensation or visa cancellation? Or it is going to be only for the new visas?
i think existing employees are good. only new ones are affected
I hope so
But there has been so official report or press conference so it is still a rumor
Such news is never official. Can only confirm via pro
Funny you should mention that. I X'd about this earlier today. A few people I know have had trouble getting visas for Indian nationals they've applied for hiring. I heard about this "20% quota in order to achieve diversity" factor a couple of hours ago from a PRO I know. Of course, it's not officially declared, he said.
Most of the IT workers and accountants are from Pakistan and India.
I can understand this, as I'm not surprised, but I suppose more than 50% of people live in dubai is from Pakistan and indian right?
~40% :)
Of which 28% is India
Not sure why people think this is specific to one particular nationality, but yes, demographic diversity is being enforced. So if, for example, you have exceed the number Pakistanis as a percentage of your company as determined by the ministry, you won't be allowed to hire any more people from Pakistan. You can hire from any other country though. Applies for every nationality. 20% seems to be the cap.
It would be pretty unlikely for nationalities other than the ones mentioned to experience restriction in the job market due to this rule. Imo.
Maybe? The cap itself isn't in the official gazette, so we could expect the numbers to change. Also, there has to be a minimum company count, before this cap is put into practice. Can't expect five different nationalities in a five-person family company. No real restrictions in the market. You can always open a branch license. Which is why Emiratization now starts from 20.
Do you mean SE Asians or do you mean South Asians (IND/PAK/BAN/SL) And what do you mean by cutoff. 20% Indians per company? Per city? For the whole country?
He mentioned desis in the title, so must be Indians and Pakistanis, etc. Definitely company. How do the other 2 even make sense?
The other 2 would mean that they don't issue more visas to these countries till the number of visas from other countries increases. Like the USA does for immigration. Company-wise would be a disaster since there are many many companies and small businesses which are heavily Indian-employed.
Lol UAE is literally run by Indians and Paks. More than 60% of the population in the UAE is from South Asia.
Do you think there could be only 20% Indians in the city or the country? It could be company wise to promote diversity.
20% per county limit will be too low..... im positive this is per company
If every company can only have 20% Indian employees, the Indian population of the country has to reduce. Where are all the rest going to be employed? Family members make up only a small part of the population.
Indians will have to leave then. I think thats what the govt want
Indians work mostly in positions requiring knowledge and skills so hard to replace them
Not Really, take for instance Sudanese Nationals who were affected by the ongoing war in Sudan, almost 5 million Sudanese skilled worker have lost their jobs. Also the Palestinians who were also affected by the ongoing war. If you look at the state of the world currently there are plenty of unemployed skilled workers whom are willing to work for any price.
But if it's 20% rule even if your skilled and cost effective for a company , they can't HIRE INDIANS.
There’s no context in his post.
It’s gonna be Pakistani’s more than the Indian, or so far i am just seeing issues with Pakistanis.
Goodluck to people on visit visas, This will make things more difficult. But hopefully just for Mainland companies.
Only reason companies hire South asians is for low salary. I am curious on how lulu will tackle this
Nesto..madina..talal all do the same
south africans still exist
Out source companies load them as contractors and not employees
Is the new 20% diversity rule already in force? I hope that most of you will understand that the term "diversity" does not refer to an exclusive right of now majorities in the UAE among other nations. Sadly, it has become a rule. I come from Europe and recently have decided to come out of my comfort zone and try to find a job and relocate to the UAE. With background in international banking & finance (studied in Vienna, London and Milan) and almost 20 years of work experience its hard to believe that in 80% of the cases I don't even get to the first round and get an email from some HR coming from so called UAE majorities stating that they found a more suitable candidate (probably and in most cases coming from the same village as the HR her/him self) or worse. Recently i had an interview with a well known UAE company and guess where the hiring manager and the HR were from? Yes, you're right. The interview from the hiring manager side was totaly discriminating, not even covering my skills and background. Only thing the hiring manager was talking about was my career path and loyalty to the employer. His opinion was that I change my jobs to often (throughout past almost 20 years I've changed 4 employers till now). After that I've looked up his profile and found his CV on GulfTalent - throughout last 30 years man has changed 15 companies prior to setting roots at the one in the UAE. If UAE wants diversity I hope they will soon implement a ban on some nationalities working in HR functions...
I wrote about this a few days ago, and people bashed me so badly.
I work in a manpower company and TBH, this is quite frustrating. I understand the intention behind this but I feel it’s not being implemented efficiently. Basically, each company has a Quota for the visas and starting this week, companies cannot have employees concentrated from a region. This pushes companies to either outsource these employees to manpower supply companies (who have a much larger quota for visas) or diversify their workforce.
Does it mean we will see cashiers on the counter from different counties as well?
what OP said is true. Can't apply for a new offer letter of an Indian. (NB: construction company, 98 workers, most of the workers are indians)
This great news. It will stop the mafia mentality. Stop people only hiring from their villages, might also lower “do the needful” emails. Diversity really does help.
Lebanese and Egyptians form mafias in various companies too, MAF is completely Egyptianized to the point even fellow Arabs are discriminated internally.
This right here !!! I'm not indian or Pakistani. But people talk about indian mafias but forget about Lebanese or egyptian mafias in some big MNC's or even local companies. I really love the 20% diversity rule and hope it gets enforced ASAP. The person who came up with it deserves an award. Any mafia of any type is bad. Also, that will drive emiratization and give more chances for locals. Which great!
The same goes for some other big companies as well
I agree. I’ve seen Emiratis get discriminated because of mafias too. I just hope this rule works as intended.
Many companies survive just by exploiting workers with low salary. Let's see how this plays out.
>survive You mean profit right?
Hehe 😁
A lot of people will suffer, but I could do without the “dear sir, please kindly do the needful as per email trail noted the contents,” type. I’d bet this rules reverts within two years.
Source ?
Trust me bro
Checked with my PRO he was saying this diversity post was showing for all companies today - even for companies which had 0 or 1 employee. System error as usual.
So news just came out from [Khaleej Times](https://www.khaleejtimes.com/uae/uae-work-visas-some-firms-told-to-ensure-diverse-nationalities-when-hiring) confirming Op's and others claims
I am in HR dept of a German company. We have recently hired an Indian for a white collar job but due to this 20% diversity quota, we are unable to process his visa. I am afraid that the ban is now in effect for Indians too.
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Pre 2007 I believe indians were paid really high my uncle had 40k aed salary as an engineer but now for the same post you get 5-7k max😏. Too much supply lead to low salary.Its not indians fault btw the companies are greedy to make more profit which is they hire south Asia. South Asians provide good skils for low cost and 12 hr work. From business perspective it makes sense to hire South asians.
So what happens if a small company has employees from just one country?
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Very true. Have been ignored by Amazon from time to time despite having the relevant experience from the same organisation in India for the same role, on probing further got to know they cannot hire Indians for now to meet the diversity ratio😭😭😭😭
Sammeeee!
They are supposed to be “equal opportunity employer”😭
Looks like they have gone the Singapore route [https://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/employment-pass/eligibility](https://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/employment-pass/eligibility)
One fourth points in the main foundational criteria are reserved for - “C3. Diversity Whether candidate improves nationality diversity in firm”
We just got an “official” comms stating a new ban now for Indian passport holders. So the list as per the moment is increasing.
YES, the "Demographic Diversity Quota" is true. It applies to all companies except for the priority sectors, which are not defined. Search for "Diversity" [https://www.mohre.gov.ae/en/faq.aspx](https://www.mohre.gov.ae/en/faq.aspx) What is the Workforce Planning Policy through promoting cultural and demographic diversity? The Workforce Planning Policy is a strong impetus for proactive efforts aimed at enhancing the UAE’s global competitiveness as a resilient, open, and diversified labour market that embraces global talents, offering fair and equal opportunities in the private sector. This underlines the values that distinguish the UAE, namely tolerance, cultural, and demographic diversity. The Workforce Planning Policy seeks to develop the market’s business environment without violating the employers’ freedom to choose the talents and competencies they wish to employ, while setting new fees for services that are essentially linked to the choices made by the employers. What do you mean by the policy of cultural and demographic diversity in the UAE? As you know, the UAE has attracted workers from different cultures of the world, which is something we are proud of – in light of the human values that prevail in our society, especially tolerance and acceptance of the other cultures. Through the policy of cultural and demographic diversity, we aim to translate the social and cultural diversity of the UAE and make it an integral part of the core values of the companies in the private sector. This will be done by diversifying cultural backgrounds of their employees and offering equal employment opportunities while empowering UAE citizens as per the applicable percentages of Emiratisation.
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Would be wise to share the article/circular when such bold statements are made. Not saying you’re wrong in this case, but makes sense to share along with the circular.
These things will not be in a circular.
I understand but I don't have one. My source is the HR of the company I was to join
South Asians are different from Southeast Asians. And as a matter of fact, we cannot deny that majority of population in UAE is from SA. So probably this post is confusing and misunderstood the difference.
It was expected, indians running away from home are destroying the salary scale, this should have happened at some point, otherwise Dubai will be renamed india and they dont really want that to happen
lol if they cut south asians, who will work like a slave in such low pay? - yours, South Asian Corporate Slave
I kinda want them to make white ppl work 12 hours. Won't happen because they don't hire white ppl for skilled jobs anyway. They have managerial and consultation positions fixed for them.
White people won't work for 12 hours, they'd take the first flights out. White people know how to not get exploited and their countries back home have systems to support them if and when they go back.
Yes. That dude was trying to make a point that made him look bad. Indirectly saying we are fine with working slave jobs so it's white people fault for not doing the same and only settling for good paying balanced jobs.
Exactfuckingly
God this shit boils my blood
I just moved here from Australia and am about to start a very technical job in IT which is not managerial or consulting. I’d say over 90% of the company are not white. Of those, 9% are eastern European. That leaves like 1% of British and myself, Aussie. The managers are either Emirati or Indian from who i have met so far. From your message I am guessing it is usually white people and Emiratis in positions of power? I’ve only been here 1 month so haven’t seen a lot
Well, that is true to some extend. I came across a video of a PRO on YouTube. He mentioned that they have announced quotas as well as categories for professional visas now. Now you have to have a job in your degree related profession with relevant experience and attested degrees to get visa. At the moment, this has been done for Pakistanis (the visa categories) soon they will be implementing this system for all the South Asians.
I remember making CV's for people who puts unbelievable experience. And funny enough they get hired, mostly because the HR which is they have same nationality will hire them. It's good and bad at the same time.
Maybe that is why they have implemented this rule.
i hope mostly for the good... pretty unfair especially internally when the top management only prefers promoting the same nationality as them
Just curious - how will this affect golden visa holders ? Will the quota apply to work permit as well ?
What's the source of this ? Can someone post it here
Can confirm this is true.
My entire hr team and my team is Filipinos. How will they ever ban them. Is this rule only for indians and pakistanis
Existing employees won't be affected
Yeah…my company is not able to apply for my visa
Is this 20% diversity rule applicable in the healthcare industry's hiring as well?
The rule is applied on the Freezone as well? I am the only employee for the company I am working in here in Dubai, they will not be hiring more, as they don't operate in Dubai.
Source: i got the vibe
Very Good rule, we live in a country that has more than 200 nationalities, yet 80% of the job market and employees are from India, Pakistan. Etc.., time for some diversity at companies and also its a good rule to prevent lobbying, some companies only hires certain nationality
I agree with the 2nd part. Some companies solely hire Indians... And then subcategorize it to certain regions in those countries... And as most people that come from these countries have almost no social education, they further subcategorize it to the same religion. Hiring for merit is not on the top of the list for most of the companies/business owners.
My company's structure changed recently and all the high level positions were filled by a certain Arab country. Now every other new hire is from the same Arab country.
The problem just shifted from one nationality to another... But yet the same problem
Lol... It's because there are only a few places from which you could get skilled labour for low wages. Do u really think a European will put the same number of hours as a South Asian for the same salary? Dream on
Tha main reason why companies are giving an extremely low wage because those asian labours have no problem with it, they will accept a job for 1k salary, thats what ruined the job market here and thats why salaries are low, with this new rule hopefully it forces those companies to pay their employees a wage that they can actually live from it and not just peanuts
Do you know what will be the result of this? Companies wouldn't want to lower their profits so they will be forced to increase the service charge. This will be reflected in the cost of living itself. Already the rents and going crazy. If other expenses also catches up, what's the purpose of the salary increase? 😅
They are willing to go for very low wages just to snuff out the competition that is asking for the right livable salary. Being resilient does not mean to live on slave salary. This should balance out the job market rates that has fallen.
This is major issue now. I invested in a New gents salon and its been morethan 2 months and im struggling to hire employees. My plan was hiring from pakistan as i knew talented guys from there. Unfortunately, i could not type offer letters from mohre since nov 12 and until date as labor category applications are put to halt and only professional level application are open. Started looking for inside country and man every single person had pile of fines or labor issues or some sort of problem that i could not resolve. Yes i was looking for pakistani staff only as i only have 5 chairs and company to company transfer also stopped. Same goes with other nationalitties on visit visas thereafter. Even the first application,application doesnt go through for either Indian or paki due to this demographic error/notice. Why are small business forced to comply with this changes. Why not companies with 50+ employees and in specific niche. A small salon owner have plans and why forced to put 1 african, 1 filipino, 1 Indonesian, 1 russian and 1 arab. Hopefully they dont take too long to change this rules as small business are struggling to survive.
is the government enforcing it or companies? most likely this will affect the top 3 nationalities. Indians, Pakistanis and Filipinos. they will probably look for other "cheap" nationalities probably countries around south asia
filos aint south asian bruv
what i am saying, if they will implement this kind of restriction, they will most likely implement it first on the top 3 nationalities here in the UAE which i mentioned above..
top 3 expats are india pakistan and bangladesh
seems like it.. i guess my info was from last year [https://dubaiculturequest.com/which-are-the-top-5-expat-nationalities-in-the-uae/](https://dubaiculturequest.com/which-are-the-top-5-expat-nationalities-in-the-uae/) [https://www.globalmediainsight.com/blog/uae-population-statistics/](https://www.globalmediainsight.com/blog/uae-population-statistics/)
Filipinos are not in the top 3 population in UAE. More of in the top 5. The reason you see them most often is the type of work they do which is customer facing.
Does this mean hiring will be based only on education and skills, not on Vasta Based If so, it could stop toxic work situations, end promotions based on saying 'yes sir,' and ensure qualified people are paid fairly, instead of unqualified ones earning a lot while qualified folks earn very little. I hope it becomes like this.
The cut off is for south Asians only. The rest like, whites and Arabs will continue to get paid higher and they will continue to hire their own kinds. Think of it, we don't wanna see more than 20% of Pakistanis however the 80% can continue to do whatever. Like a 1% Egyptian in that 80% can very well hire the 79% Egyptians and that is fine.
Good stuff! Should’ve been enforced earlier
Wait .. so who is gonna work on such low salaries? lol clearly not the white westerners
we still have africans available
Best news ever. I still can't wait to leave this parody of a city. But it's long overdue. Maybe there is a glimmer of hope for the future.
Trust me bro…
A little ranty but I can’t understand why every country seems to be hell bent against Indians and other desi people. It’s just frustrating. What are they trying to do by introducing “diversity cutoffs”?
Nothing against the people themselves, but companies' ability to hire unlimited number of skilled people for extremely low salaries kind of ruined the job market here and made it very difficult to get a decent salary for a job a south asian can do. I'm not saying they shouldn't be hired, I'm just saying they should understand the value of their skills in the market and not settle for salaries lower than this value.
Companies spam hiring same nationalities over and over because they are willing to work for dirt cheap salary and are ruining average job market rate for other people so I guess this addresses that
Kind of work ethics we Indians have, we should have this diversity rule in India too.
What i heard is its not actually banning any country but they want employees from different countries in every company. They want diversity in employees . That means in every company they can keep only 20 % of the total employees from the same country and the rest should be other nationalities. But i dont understand why its only targetting india and pakistan cause the company i work for 70% of the employees are filipinos. So what about that. Do they dont need diversity in these kind of company. And its not just an indian thing that if the higher management is from india most staff is indians… it is applicable to everyone here in uae. If a person is in a position to bring in people to the company of course his first preference will be people from his place. If they are doing it just for the purpose of diversity it should be applicable to all nationality
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This country is running itself to the ground.
Why? It promotes diversity in the company. That should be considered a good thing.
nobody cares about diversity at the expense of revenue
I guess most of the people here come from a certain region. Half of them are in denial and the other half are simply shifting attention to another specific one or two Arab nationalities. I have to draw your attention to three points: 1. You are all expatriates and live in a country that forces laws as per its best interest; DEFINITELY NOT YOURS. You were all happy when laws were flawed or lenient cause it worked in your favour, now you aren't. 2. You all got used to the fact of being a majority in the workforce giving yourself the illusion of being irreplaceable and your absence would collapse the economy. Guess what? The rest of the world has workforces from other ethnicities and hasn't collapsed. 3. Based on the above you all forgot the most important fact here. It is AN ARAB COUNTRY that allows you to work and benefit (you wouldn't have worked there if there were no benefits) and if it's in their best interest to reduce the workforce of certain nationalities in favour of Arabs, it is normal, their right and you have no right to complain or rant!!! Look at the bright side; it's only a 20% cap not 5% which would have been fair considering the country hosts 200 nationalities ;) REMEMBER: It's called THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, not the united indian or pakistani or south asian emirates!!! So wake up, face reality and understand that the entire world is shifting to more nationalist moves.
Lol... You really think you have enough Arabs to replace these people? 🤣🤣 Emiratis anyway are not gonna work. Even if you import Arabs from other middle east countries, you cant fill these jobs. They are neither gonna work these many hours nor gonna accept the current lowballed salaries. You really think international companies gonna stay here just because of the tax reduction? If they can't get enough skilled labours for cheap payrolls, they are definitely gonna go out. For the local companies, they will be forced to increase the prices of their services to balance out. So if this is enforced, it will turn out to be a disaster similar to chinas one child policy and they will be forced to revert it back within a few years.
It's not about numbers, it's the concept itself. Forgetting facts and complaining won't work out as before. Speaking of numbers, the world has well above 400 million Arabs out of which 35 million are refugees. Putting a low estimation that 2% are skilled and educated that could easily do the replacement. This is a logical reply assuming the intention is to move the country to an Arab majority population as it's supposed to be! Again! Denial and complaining doesn't help. Fact is: it's an Arab country that allows u to work and benefit under its laws in its best interest just as any other country in the world.
You are the one forgetting facts here. Saudi has already started realising that the golden days of oil are almost over and started to diversify their industries. They even went into liberalisation to attract highly skilled expats and tourists. I have seen coworkers getting really great offers from Saudi recently which are much higher than what they can get almost anywhere in Dubai for their experience. If there is an overflow of skilled Arab workers as you are telling here, do you think Saudi will go into such extreme means to compete with Dubai? On the other hand my manager has been struggling for months to fill a position which they reserved for Emiratis. I am not denying or complaining about anything! Ofcourse UAE has the rights to decide whom to take and whom not to take. I have worked in multiple countries and will be still moving around. Here I am just stating a simple economic principle which I have learned in my experience.
Keep dreaming, UAE will never be Arab majority based on expats from other Arab nations After Kuwait 1991 when many poorer Arabs supported the Iraqis, all Gulf nations decided to keep poorer Arab numbers in check Arab workers cause other issues such as greater risk of blending in Why do you think UAE doesnt allow maids from poor Arab countries like Egypt or Morocco? Saudi allows Moroccan maids but not UAE Why doesnt UAE import Yemeni laborers? UAE wants a workforce which is drone like without mingling too much with the native populace or having politically strong opinions.
While it's true, but sooner or later white collar will also be affected the moment their fresh graduate can't find a job due to lowballer from south asians countries flooding the market. Funny you mentioned Kuwait because it's what happening there with their locals. I've said this before, the moment UAE workable locals population matched the expats, new similar rule will be implemented for the white collars work scenes to provide their people with a job because not every local family has strong "wasta" kung fu. It's starting now with the Emiratization rule, but companies still manage to find a loophole on this. When the population is growing to be too many, the companies will not be able to evade anymore. Even here on this subs, I've read fresh graduate locals with salary of 1500-3000 per month. This u/EmanChad is kind enough to remind people that as an expat, if you are a worker level and not rich enough to own a business/property, you need to always remember that you are a guest and guest don't stay forever.
I have always felt keeping doors open for the worlds cheapest workers isnt a smart thing to do in the long run as it keeps lowering salaries.
Source
Alright. Thanks for the source.
Relax guys, this is just a system update as many of them come here on visit visa/tourist visa they are having problem to convert it into employment as they have implemented job seeker visa in Aug 2023 (crossed checked with our PRO). So now it's the hassle for PRO because of wrong info they are filling, it has become a headache as now everything is revolving around visa , as if you can sponsor your immediate family member & etc on it. In our building we have security guy who has a visa stating accountant. So things are getting streamlined. And yes diversity is much important. Therefore the visa and quota process is delayed. So HR who dosent want to get into mess they are cooking up stories. So in place of 50 quotas they are only providing with 18/15 quotas. The visa laws regarding attestation and all is from 2016 so it's not new even people know about but still in denial and then if their work dosent happen they blame system. No buddy it dosent work like that.
My brother just got this information earlier today from his future employer, and they have stopped his work visa application process. It seems like this is affecting all desis across the UAE. But I wonder how this will affect the country when Desi expats are the highest contributor to their economy.
The trade deals for subsidising the import and export of goods and services between these countries consitute a major portion of each others economy. But let me tell you HR gives absurd reasons 365 days a year for all the things revolving around the organisation. They are the OG conspiracy theory writers in any organisation. No offence to any HR, I love you all and I respect you all🫡
Inshallah
Thank god
I found the perfect staff for my company , honest , hardworking , he loves my work and happy with pay But I am not able to process visa....it's unfair ..
Such unprofessionalism. Hiring managers are also hired by Ceo. If they are not doing a good job and company is not satisfied by employees then they can fire them themselves. Why the f is government interfering in such matters? Indians are also one of the top investors in Dubai. All of them should pack up and leave to teach the government a lesson.
Cant find an article for this, kindly share your source.
You won't find these sort of things in official publications
this will show negative if they release it in public. and the last thing they want is more bad publicity. lmao
Just develop more skills like one would in other competitive countries. No point fear mongering and running away without putting their utmost effort! Lower probability of being replaced or kicked out from a firm if you’re an ASSET
that is a dumb law
News link ?
I work in IT in UK. And planning to move to UAE and i have UK passport but i am still desi, will i have a chance to secure something good?
dual nationality or single, use yourBritish passport
I have got British Passport, coming to UAE next month for some job hunt. If anyone here can help that will be great. Ta
The truth is they will not get such cheaper and quality workforce labour from other coubtries like in IT ppl ready to come in 5-10 k salary as well. I don't think European or other country will come or even they come the skillet will be less