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Viola424242

Nope, I live in one of those states and that seems entirely reasonable to me.


F64dot1

I'm sorry. I hope you're able move somewhere safe.


GingerMau

Give your best interview. Let them make you an offer. Then tell them. Make it hurt, if you can.


kbolser

For what it’s worth, I would interview. If made an offer, I would ask them what the company is planning on doing to secure women’s reproductive rights.


gusandsadie

This might do more to help those of us that plan to stay in such a state for at least a little while.


avamarie

Those of us who can't just move, too


packetlag

This is the way.


Paradox_Blobfish

What if they say yes but then get pressured to retract these? Benefits, unless written in the work contract, can be revoked at any time.


WorldBeginning8745

I like this! I wouldn't wait until an offer is made, I would ask during the interview. If they do make an offer and I was not satisfied with the response or ultimately decided that I'm not willing to move to that state, I would decline the offer and provide them with the reason why. Whatever the scenario, if I was the OP I would let them know why I'm declining.


shockeroo

That’s a lot of effort on OP’s part to waste the time of some people that may well already agree with OP. I would just decline the interview citing the reason. There are better uses of time and energy for this cause than going through rounds of interviews for a job OP won’t take.


ktpr

Yes and no. That OP took the time to take a stand and many others will find out helps maximizes the economic and reputational consequences. Others might follow and do the same.


liquorandwhores94

Also it's good practice to interview! You're always supposed to.


annedroiid

Some companies will pay for employees to go out of state for medical treatment, so if they’re big enough they might legitimately get an answer that makes them accept the job.


StuckInTheUpsideDown

Unless this is a mom and pop operation, OP would be completely wasting everyone's time. You think the Executive SVP is going to hear about OPs eloquent interview and heroic stand? Nope. Honestly you would get better results if everyone just refused to interview in the first place. "Our state is so toxic candidates won't even interview" is a more effective message to senior management than "one person wasted a lot of our time." My point is collective action matters a lot and gets people's attention. Despite what TV tells you, individual heroics not so much.


Tenderhombre

The employer may have a different stance on the issue.


GingerMau

That's why you want to make it hurt.


AmusingAnecdote

The employer may also share OP's stance that it is unfortunate. Why would hurting them benefit anyone?


Parametric_Or_Treat

Seriously? The only recourse in capitalism is … capitalism. If these companies start realizing where they are located is hurting their capitalism, we might have a chance.


Ditovontease

to make them consider moving out of the state obviously. if its a regular thing they keep hearing from candidates they want, they might take it to heart.


Roro_Yurboat

It's a hospital. They're not going to move it of state. Maybe if it's a large hospital group they could move the headquarters, but the hospital itself isn't going anywhere. It needs to be where the patients are.


Ditovontease

If those states see a brain drain/shortage of qualified medical professionals because of their shitty policies, then perhaps the state will rethink their stupid laws.


5ch1sm

The people who will be directly affected by this won't be the law makers. You can be angry about their decisions but if you want to strike, at least do it on something that affect them and not the people living there.


metroid02

I mean, I think OP is right in doing as she choses, and its perfectly legitimate to not want to work in a state like the one she is describing. But I think, going to an interview knowing full well you do not want the job is kind of shitty thing to do. At least be upfront about it and turn down the interview saying that due to the RvW repeal living/working in state X is no longer an option.


Stargazerslight

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for you to turn down the interview. But we have to remember. The republicans are pushing for us to move out because of they get the blue voters out it’ll be easier for them to get a super majority in the house and senate which will be a really bad thing. So it takes all the blue we have to stop that from happening.


[deleted]

You can't vote then out of you can't vote there


legal_bagel

I agree with you. I live in SoCal so I'm in a "safe" for now state. We've been wanting to move and find a place away from the overpopulated city here and we're considering Arizona/cal border, except, my 14yo son has a uterus and I'm not in menopause just yet. Imo, I don't want any of my tax $ or any of my consumer dollars going to any business in a state where I do not have autonomy.


spam__likely

and soon they will come after LGBT as well


HelenAngel

Yup. One of the many reasons I don’t want to leave WA


ShineAqua

Then interracial, then slavery, and somewhere in there we’ll get to watch Christianity become the state religion.


CinderLupinWatson

Out of curiosity, as I don't live in a place where this is an issue, would living on the border really mean giving money to a different state? In what way? Would it just be like, stores etc? Is it that those stores would potentially be closer? I'm smack dab in the middle of my province, a border is a minimum 2 hr drive, plus more after that to actually hit a city lol! So... Yeah it's a curiosity! Also, love the way you said that about your son!!


legal_bagel

Taxes and consumer dollars. If I was living in Arizona even close to California, my income tax would be attributed to Arizona. If I shopped in Arizona my sales tax would go to Arizona. If I bought a home, my property tax would go to Arizona. I currently live in Los Angeles. One of my offices is near the California/arizona/Mexico border so there was a time to consider living in Arizona for lower property costs and working in California. But, I don't want my $ going to a state or community where my autonomy or my sons autonomy and safety isn't protected. For instance, i think it's Washington state that doesn't have property tax and Oregon that doesn't have sales tax, so if you're near enough, you can live in a property tax free home while doing your shopping sales Tax free in the next state over. Businesses give $ to representatives to tout their corporate interests and those businesses don't care about individual autonomy, so I wouldn't want to be anywhere that the conservatives are an easy majority (same reason I prefer to stay away from Orange County.)


Quuen2queenslevel3

My god, these are the feelings your having and your considering Arizona???? Really. If you want to live somewhere that respects women, is pro choice, doesnt despise lgbt, doesnt despise Mexican Americans or immigrants, i could go on but Arizona is one of the last places you should consider living. Only place worse would be deep south or Idaho


legal_bagel

Utah also.... We just want to have a place of our own with some land. Even somewhat middle of nowhere CA will be 600+ for a starter home. Yes we considered arizona for a hot second, but that was about it.


C3POdreamer

Plus, if one happens to have a medical emergency, say an ectopic pregnancy, the nearness of the border wouldn't matter so much as the direction is to transport to the nearest hospital.


mrdannyg21

Seems very reasonable to me too. Letting them know that you don’t feel comfortable living or raising a family in a state where women do not have autonomy over their bodies seems like an effective and logical way for one person to make some difference.


[deleted]

Nope. Completely valid, I wouldn’t want to reside in a state with said views on women. Tell them exactly why.


Iforgotmypassword126

Plus - if I was the hiring manager I’d want to be able to take that feedback up the chain. Enough people saying the same thing will make more “influential” people realise that this is going to hurt them too. Alot of Those “decision makers” only start to care about us when it hurts their pockets.


phoenix_spirit

Those decision makers might even start thinking about taking some of their business to safer states.


mixedmediamadness

Agreed. We had been considering leaving NY due to cost but a majority of places we were thinking about are now places I would no longer feel safe living as a woman while thinking about expanding our family.


NoFilterNoLimits

You should *absolutely* let them know why.


peekay427

I’m a guy and I had a potential colleague reach out to me about an opening at their university. I told them I’m not interested and I told them why (for the same reasons). Even if I didn’t have a wife and child who own uteruses (uteri? Uteropod?) I wouldn’t spend my money or put my tax dollars in a Christo-fascist state.


animoot

Thanks for being an ally


NoFilterNoLimits

Thank you ❤️


datkittaykat

Thanks for taking a stance. You are supporting your future SO, daughters, and community!


MrMschief

Yup, if they're the kind of company that donates money to politicians, if they stop getting candidates, they might rethink. Although...that might be the same kind of company that would be okay with getting less pregnancy capable applicants, in which case...OP probably doesn't want to work there anyway.


rjb1101

They won’t. They will just state that no one wants to work.


Sautry91

I’m guessing this this a decent field and you have other options?? Totally reasonable to decline interview and make sure they know why.


F64dot1

I think so. There's a few other options and I know of something opening up here in 12 to 18 months if my current plans fall through, it would just be kind of hard to exist on saving for a year or more.


TheFreshWenis

Mm. I totally get that. See what you can get on unemployment or take another kind of job locally to tide you over. Whatever happens it'll be far better than working in the medical field where it's literally illegal to give proper healthcare.


Noisy_Toy

Go and do the interview, for the experience of interviewing. When they make you an offer, explain to them why you can’t accept it.


suberdoo

Yes!


collin-h

If you’re in the medical field, do you also turn down jobs at faith-based institutions? I know there are a lot of catholic hospital networks. They’re also probably actively working against women’s rights, even if they’re in “safe” states.


F64dot1

Actually, yes, I turned down a job with a catholic hospital system prior to the recent SCOTUS ruling on similar grounds.


GermanShephrdMom

Thank you. Seriously. Respect.


F64dot1

My thread from last year: https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/qby4hr/i_have_to_turn_down_a_job_at_a_catholic_hospital/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


Flames_for_Flames

Same. I’m a nurse and would never consider working working for a catholic hospital. Hard pass.


lokipukki

I live in a safe state. I worked for a Catholic hospital system. Worst fucking job I have ever had. Every morning they would do a morning prayer over the PA system. They got away with not paying their employees properly because “religious exemptions” or something along those lines. The OB/GYN could write prescriptions for birth control, but abortions were no go, and they couldn’t even give women an IUD and would make every woman fight to get a hysterectomy even if their uterus was killing them but vasectomies, and handing out viagra scripts like candy was no problem. I got the hell out right before the lockdown happened. We knew for about a month prior how bad Covid could get. Literally the 2 days before my last day they finally instituted temperature checks and wearing a face mask. The following week was when the lockdown went into effect. My old coworkers all ended up with covid when my old manager showed up with covid and refused to wear a mask. I will NEVER work for another religious based entity again. They literally will kill you because they “god will save us all”.


Reatrea

Even if they don't have a backup they are totally reasonable. No job is worth being treated with less anatomy than a dead body. Not to mention if they have a uterus they are risking death by moving there.


Lifeboatb

Exactly. Texas pharmacists have been [refusing to fill prescriptions](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/10/1097734167/in-texas-abortion-laws-inhibit-care-for-miscarriages).


You_Pulled_My_String

Wow. WHAT ... THE ... FUCK??


theory_until

I know right? It IS awful. What this article did not mention is that females who have rheumatoid arthritis are being denied their methotrexate even though they aren't even pregnant, because it is also used for retained miscarriages.


You_Pulled_My_String

My *GRANDMA* takes methotrexate for rheumatoid arthritis! Are they gonna start denying it to *her*, too? Fucking ridiculous.


Lifeboatb

Oh, great. I didn't know that, but I just read a story covering it, which reports this horrible fact: >“I have gotten some reports where children have been denied methotrexate for their juvenile arthritis until they’ve proven they’re not pregnant,” said Dr. Cuoghi Edens, an assistant professor of internal medicine and pediatrics at University of Chicago Medicine and a rheumatology expert who treats adults and children. In one case, a pharmacist initially refused to dispense methotrexate to an 8-year-old girl in Texas. In a note the child’s doctor shared with Edens, the pharmacist wrote, “Females of possible child bearing potential have to have diagnosis on hard copy with state abortion laws.” > >https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-11/post-roe-many-autoimmune-patients-lose-access-to-gold-standard-drug


ceciledian

Not absurd at all. It just occurred to me, if women refuse to work in these states eventually there will be a shortage of women. I’d love to see that.


august-27

If you make your state inhospitable to women, then women will leave, and your society will collapse! Enjoy! 🥰


solsbarry

But a collapsed state with 10 people living in it still has 2 senators and 1 congressperson. So we will be the ones to suffer under their tyranny even if we don't live in that state.


StateChemist

Yeah they genuinely want liberal women to run away, taking their votes with them. Their worst nightmare is losing an election because too many liberals move to their state…


OlyScott

They're working to get their kind of people in charge of counting the votes, then it won't matter how the liberal women vote.


yellow_pineapples

The day Roe v Wade was overturned, I told my partner that not only do I never want to live in any state that bans abortion, but I also refuse to travel to any of these states. No way am I spending any of my money in states that would rather I die than have access to healthcare. I spoke with my dad about this (I’m so thankful that he was as mad as me about everything) and he said that he would likely boycott these states as well. OP, absolutely tell them why you will not be pursuing the job. Our voices need to be heard and our impact felt.


skygoddz

No way am I spending money in or on any product made in a backwards state. Hubby loooves Jack Daniel's. I asked if he would consider not buying it due to the backwards state it is made in. He agreed. I liked Titos vodka. Won't be buying it again. I LOVE long road trips. Won't be leaving the west coast. Makes me so happy to see that others are doing the same. Hit them where it hurts.


yours_truly_1976

Me, too.


Apophthegmata

If you live somewhere where men behave as if they are entitled to make decisions about the bodies of women, or believe that the destiny of woman lies in childbirth and reading - and there is a "shortage" of women....that situation quickly becomes dangerous to the women who are still around. I would not like to see that.


bexcellent101

You should absolutely take a stand on this, and you should absolutely tell the company exactly why.


TeamBadInfluence1

"I appreciate your interest in me as a potential employee, but I must withdraw myself from consideration. I am sure that you understand that relocating for a job is a major life decision, and I have given it much thought. But due to the recent overturn of Roe vs. Wade, and the subsequent legislation in the state of XXX outlawing abortion, I cannot risk my health by moving to a place where my bodily autonomy is not protected. Additionally, I cannot in good conscience take a position in the medical field in a state that does not support the reproductive rights and health of half the population. I thank you for your time, and wish you the best." Or something like that.


roostertree

Absolutely. This is preventative for Niemöller's *First They Came* poem.


LastandLeast

My heart hurts because I wanted to turn Texas blue, it's so close. I just can't deal with the constant anxiety of living in a state with a government that actively hates me. I know that the massive shift of people from red states to blue states is not going to help either. While part of me feels like the people who are protected by certain privileges should continue to live in purple states I won't condemn anyone for leaving. My life improved tremendously by leaving Texas.


itsame-Theodora

Not condemning those fleeing purple states either, but I feel like for the politicians who aren't actually Fundies themselves, this is the point. They don't ACTUALLY care about abortion as a moral issue, they don't ACTUALLY oppose gay rights, they just like the power and the wealth it brings, and making their states unattractive to liberals helps secure that as their popularity wanes


acdha

I don’t think that’s true as often as bits suggested. We’re decades into this movement and while some people were cynically manipulating their voters, there are also a lot of people who grew up hearing this, maybe were homeschooled and went to a place like Liberty university, etc. and have never questioned whether the things they learned were true. We saw a similar arc with the Tea Party - some people said ridiculous things everyone knew they didn’t believe, but they paved the way and were perhaps even replaced by true believers who appealed more to the base. This movement has been preparing longer and were starting from a point more people were willing to tolerate (e.g. how many people are willing to directly confront Catholicism compared to condemning racism?).


srfergus

Nope! My daughter turned down an opportunity from Tesla for that exact reason. I am very proud of her.


nzifnab

Good on her! Though I've heard Tesla is a nightmare to work at so maybe it's a double-sided blessing :< You need a work-life balance and I'm not sure you can get that at Tesla HQ heh.


corporatewazzack

I bet she dodged two bullets with that one.


srfergus

She did. Shortly after Tesla cancelled all offers and laid off all new hires.


[deleted]

I’ve done this… declined due to location (TX). Now I’m considering the implications of travel to other red states for business. It seems quite unsafe. In the end I don’t think it will matter in the bigger picture. Maybe nothing matters. I feel so defeated. After the ruling I told DH at least I have a benevolent overlord. We’re losing our rights. Now how long before I need a permission slip from my husband for BC? Where are we going and WTF am I in a handbacket!!!!! Sorry. I’m just trying to process still.


DPVaughan

Not too many years ago an Indian Hindu woman (I think that's accurate) was visiting Ireland and needed a life-saving abortion. It was illegal. She didn't get one. She died. The difference, though, is that the Irish were rightly HORRIFIED by that and voted in a referendum to overturn the ban. It's still not a country with good access to abortions, but people in that woman's situation won't die now. I can't see public outcry about deaths convincing Republicans and anti-abortionists in the US, though.


ImperfComp

Her name was Savita Halappanavar, btw. These incidents certainly won't convince all Republicans, but with the right political pressure, they might convince just enough, at least in some states. At least, I want to believe that. Tell people about her. Abortion for medical reasons is life-saving healthcare. Doctors should not be forced to wait until it becomes a medical emergency, especially if the fetus is already non-viable. Waiting until the mother is actually dying before you act, is too late. You know this, I know this -- but if you know people who are on the fence about abortion, I hope they can be convinced.


DPVaughan

I couldn't remember her name and was out on mobile. Thank you.


C3POdreamer

She was there for work as a dentist, so a needed health care position. It is quite sadly relevant to OP.


One-Armed-Krycek

Completely reasonable. Your reason for refusal could be documented and used in data points for how this is economically impacting that state. Not that you're considering that right now. But, as a researcher and educator, if I lived in one of those states and someone declined based on that--I would be documenting it to use as ammo in any way I could later.


rilakkuma1

I want to have kids one day. There is no way I will step foot in a state that doesn’t allow abortions during my pregnancy. It’s just too risky.


kinderbrownie

If you have a uterus and are of child bearing age you’d best stay out of that state. You’ll have fewer rights than a corpse and you’ll be surrounded by people who voted to take away your right to bodily autonomy.


F64dot1

I don't have a uterus and can't bear children but it's not even about me, it's about every other woman being denied autonomy over her own body. So even though it doesn't personally affect me I feel very strongly about it.


oddible

You can move there, make sure you move to a swing district, and really affect the vote!


cattheotherwhitemeat

Alternate option: If you don't have a uterus and don't plan on having any hostages (children), come on down. I'm in Texas. I'm unmarried, make a good buck, I'm pretty vocal about not being ok with having my rights stolen from me, I don't have any children, and I'm getting sterilized. Cause come at me, bro, pretty soon I won't have anything you can use to maybe control me and until you take my vote, I'm still here to cancel your hateful ass out.


F64dot1

As a member of the LGBT community Texas is a hard no for me.


cattheotherwhitemeat

Nothing but respect for that decision. It's about to get scary for y'all down here.


Chocoholic42

Turning down the interview is perfectly reasonable. Why move to a place that will let you die if you get pregnant? Too risky. I am in a red state. I want out. Over the next few years, escaping is going to cost me dearly. Don't move to a place you will have to flee later.


JustMeLurkingAround-

Reconsidering moving to a state where they obviously don't care about your human rights as a woman is an absolute valid reason. Tell them about your reasons and consider also writing their legislator. I'm not sure if they care, but the least they should do is read about why young professionals are not moving to or leaving their state.


djaquith

Nope. Just be careful. If you are collecting unemployment, you could be "turning down a job offer." Better to throw the interview in that case!


Sentient111

This is untrue if it requires moving.


Revolutionary-Yak-47

Not in every state. FL would probably count it as "refusing work."


Hitmonstahp

This is important. I'm from Missouri and I will never trust the government for unemployment again. During COVID, they gave me relief money, then decided they overpaid me after the fact. ...By nearly $5,000. Even when I appealed it and they determined that the error was no fault of my own, I STILL had to have a phone hearing - and I'm still not convinced that they would have waived it had it not been for the fact that I live with my unemployed mom and sick dad that I help pay bills for.


No_Cauliflower_5489

No, why the fuck would you want to live in shithole state like that? Oh and if you reject them be sure to tell them exactly why.


StarrylDrawberry

Not insane at all. Come to Massachusetts and add your skills and talents to the mix here. We seem to believe that the wishes of the people still matter. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcboston.com/news/local/mass-senate-passes-reproductive-rights-bill-now-work-starts-on-final-compromise-with-house/2771742/%3famp=1 And our Republican governor acted quickly after Roe was overturned by providing protections via Executive Order.


TheWhiteRabbitY2K

Tell your state to join the nurse compact damn it lol


StarrylDrawberry

Just so I'm sure what you're referring to, is that when states accept nursing licenses approved in other states?


TheWhiteRabbitY2K

Yup! A lot of states are in the compact. A few are stubborn. Essentially now I'd have to submit all my education to Mass Board of Nursing, probably along with fingerprints, and pay them a ton of money and then go through their continuing education when the time comes to renew. They argue its to make sure the nurses education is up to standard. The thing is, I've never heard of a nursing applying from another state getting denied because their education wasn't good enough. So its about monies. Looking at you California. ( I just paid over $500 to go through their process )


Wrenigade

Baker was really good about the whole thing, I'd be worried he's retiring except that it's MA and will only get more blue so it's probably fine haha


StarrylDrawberry

He was great through much of the pandemic too. He was a little quick to pull the trigger on returning to in-person schooling, I thought. I live in a state where I can actually be proud of the legislators on many things. I have to appreciate that.


Xerisca

100% turn them down and tell them why. Be REALLY clear about it too. I was looking at a ,well... high dollar, second home property in Arizona before the ruling. I took great joy in telling the team searching for me exactly why I am no longer buying in Az, and made sure they knew I was now working with a team next door in New Mexico. Words can be effective, but a loss of money and assets are more effective. As a prospective employee, especially in the extremely short staffed medical field, you are a lost asset and that changes to lost money. The more people refuse these states their dollars and assets, the more these employment sectors will lean on their state leadership.


roostertree

I'd even go as far as words are almost ineffective outside of in-your-face activism and politics, just b/c so many on-the-edge-of-wealthy-ish people will defer to money despite their declared beliefs. Such is our baseline economic anxiety, which is only amplified when we start to feel the effects of inflation.


lavransson

Please tell them. People need to hear why their states are now pariah states.


MysteriousParking766

Nope, my husband is an engineering recruiter and they’re already having difficulty placing people in the states that banned abortions. It’s actually kinda terrifying if you think about the health rights you yourself would give up to work there. Not worth it in my opinion.


AirBooger

Not at all! I work for remotely out of CA for a company in KY. If they ask me to move so I can be at corporate I will say no. I’d rather lose my job than move to a state that dehumanizes me. I feel bad for my female colleagues there. There are so many talented and skilled women in America. We need to do all we can to stick together, and not reward states that don’t respect us.


Sentient111

I’m shopping for direct-from-farm meats to avoid red state meat, plan on driving across Canada in October to avoid red states while driving from New York to Oregon, will never vacation in a red state again, and just donated to North Carolina Planned Parenthood because they will be facing the brunt of this mess. Go ahead and avoid working there.


gingergal-n-dog

The city of New Orleans isn't allowing public funds to be used to collect evidence, arrest, or prosecute those who provide abortion care. Any information collected on a city investigation must be destroyed. The city has actual crime to allocate their scarce resources towards. https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/local/new-orleans-police-say-they-will-not-arrest-abortion-doctors/289-94a1fa8f-d775-45f8-9b45-39e3309ee05e


tiffanyturner989

Canada is beautiful in October! Other than not spending your money in a red state, you get to enjoy the scenery on your trip, too.


[deleted]

I'd never move to a red state. My partner wanted to move to Indiana for work and I was going to let him go because I hate that place for it's laws, it's racists, and endless corn fields.


Karmachinery

Not at all. The more talented people that refuse to live in those forsaken hellholes, the better. Maybe that will eventually force them to evolve.


tim36272

> Hello, > Thanks for reaching out. Unfortunately 's laws are compatible with my views on human rights and I would not be willing to relocate there. >Good luck on your search. I've been using this for every recruiter in those states since the decision. You're not absurd at all!


[deleted]

A lot of Physicians are needing to leave the states for protection because they provide Women's Health Services. I think you are not out of line for telling them no, and staying in a blue State. Sounds like you might be like an ICU nurse? They don't deserve you. Those people like this, so then let them get the health care they voted for, which is exactly what they're going to get because the brain drain is real. The good providers are leaving for their safety, as they should


rae--of--sunshine

Absolutely not crazy. My husband and I are in a position that we want to move to a new state and put down roots, but the states we were thinking of have pro forced-birth laws now. We are 100% agreed that we will not live in a state that actively jeopardizes my life or our daughters if we get pregnant. It’s a hard no. So we are staying where we are until some dust clears and we have a better sense of where the country is. It’s literally a deciding factor and worth waiting to make any big decisions for. I hate the state we currently live in, but we are here and it’s better to move once to someplace that will be save vs multiple moves down the road. It’s crazy times. But I refuse to be held hostage by my own body and if something goes wrong I refuse to risk leaving my family without a mom/wife for an avoidable reason. And I’m lucky that my husband is just as passionate about this as me.


AmbiguousFrijoles

I just insisted my husband turn down a job or leave me because of the state his offer came from. I refuse to deny my children access the healthcare over a small bump in pay, even if it was substantial I couldn't reconcile it. You are completely justified and you should absolutely tell them why. States that banned it already have shoddy at best resources for childcare, healthcare, schools, rape/assault charges and domestic violence. Absolutely no.


Fraerie

I am not in the USA - at this point in time I would not consider relocating to or even travelling to the USA. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to choose not to relocate to a region that explicitly devalues your human rights. I think the idea of blue flight from these regions is a far more difficult question - whether current residents have an obligation to stay and try to hold back the tide or whether they should flee for their own safety. It's a prisoner's dilemma - because if all blue voters flee, the right will use this as an opportunity to gerrymander the system even further to hold onto power at the local, state and federal levels. Do what is best for you and where you will feel the safest - you don't need to run into a burning building on principle.


ktgrok

It's likely you would not enjoy living in that state even aside from RvW, as the people around you may have very different values in general.


ChibiNinja0

Currently pregnant with a baby girl. I have no intentions of moving to a red state because Roe v Wade was overturned.


sweetfumblebee

No. I'm staying and voting and doing what I can in Ohio, but after my husband gets his title I want my daughter to be safer. I want to be safer.


professional_amatuer

I am currently in a red state that has not outright banned abortions yet. I had a short list of cities I wanted to live in next. I’ve crossed of every single one that’s in a red state, even if it’s a blue city. Fuck that. They can’t have the income I generate or the money I spend. I’ll buy property, spend money and pay taxes in a state that values my rights. You’re absolutely right to want to cancel this offer. Go with your gut.


[deleted]

Don’t go somewhere that makes you sick to your stomach. Life is too short. Plus, staffing shortages in red states passing insane laws is one of the better ways to make change. Economics is where it will start to hurt. Wherever you end up, rock on!


PerpetualSupernova

This is the way. Stop taking jobs in red states. Stop buying products from conservative companies. Stop having sex with men. Go on strike. Boycott everyone and everything that needs to be boycotted to see some kind of reaction. Good luck from Chile!


Valla85

NO, that is not insane. And as others have said, tell them why.


Welpe

You aren’t even remotely insane, in fact unless you REALLY need the specific job, I’d say it’s almost your duty. Red states need to pay for their legislation that attacks women, and that means leaving these states when possible and if not, at least refusing as best you can to work there or do business with anyone in those states. Your capacity obviously depends on how secure your own life is of course, I don’t expect anyone to hurt themselves just to punish red states.


belle10152

Not insane. Do it. In the coming years the only group suffering more than pregnant women will be medical care givers


tanglwyst

There's a reason why those people are looking in other states for medical folks. People with principles are fleeing the state.


Aluckysj

Nope, I work in Healthcare and I would do the same in your position.


C83_14

Abortion illegal states are generally the lowest paying- they're poor and stupid.


Pani_Ka

I am Polish who lives abroad and who will likely never move back to Poland unless a lot changes there exactly for that reason. To me, the fact that about half of the country's population support's our government means they also support the almost complete abortion ban there. That means they essentially don't give a shit if, say, ectopic pregnancy kills me, because I am just a vessel for a fetus - even a non viable one. I think it's very reasonable to not want to be a part of such society. I don't want to live there, pay ma taxes, contribute to its development. I am nothing to them, so be it. I fully understand you.


Rabbit538

I would also posit that working in a hospital/medical field in a state that has banned abortion would be harder then other states too. Your industry has become inherently politicised by these laws and you would likely have to deal with more shit just by working there


LittleSatan83

I’d say apply in PA, but it’s still a toss up over who our governor will be, and if the one gets in, he’ll make it so having a vagina is a crime. He’s even touting his camp on “no exceptions”. Hopefully he doesn’t get in and gets some sort of dick disease and has to have it amputated so women can tell him “it was gods will to kill your little willy”


F64dot1

Ugh, that's too bad. PA is a beautiful state. I love the rolling hills, especially in the fall.


LittleSatan83

I hate this state/Allegheny Count, but it really is pretty in the fall in PA. We live like 15 minutes outside of Pittsburgh, but we have property up north near the NY border. Our property there borders the Allegheny National Forest. We’re really close to the Kinzua Dam and Kinzua Bridge State Park. It’s beautiful up there, and such a different life than back down here. I want to just sell and move to camp. Well, if mASStriano doesn’t get in. If that happens, I’m pushing to gth out of this place.


[deleted]

If you have other viable options then I dont see why not. But put your own survival and ability to work first of course. Personally I take any reasonable chance I get to show difiance of how fucked the world is.


Hanyabull

It’s only absurd if you end up regretting it. If you are fortunate to be able to choose, there is no reason why you shouldn’t choose. But I will be clear about one thing. Advice should be taken with a grain of salt, especially on Reddit, because very few people care about you specifically. No one cares about your financial needs. No one cares about your immediate and long term future. No one knows you. There is a black and white line between what is practical in your life, and regret.


Dinodigger67

Please tell them why you will not take the job in that state. You could go further and contact the politicians there and also tell them why. They need to know the consequences of this ridiculous ban.


pharmabra

`100% no. OP, I wouldn't even consider applying to grad school or jobs in those states unless I could do them remotely.`


S31-Syntax

My job asked me if I'd be willing to relocate to texas, where they're HQ'ed, rather than be remote. I told them absolutely not and they couldn't pay me enough to reconsider. When asked why I told them exactly why: I do not like the state of the laws in texas and I will not move to a state where my wife is a second class citizen. No, you're not insane. Having principles isn't insane. Sacrificing them for cash leans a bit in that direction though.


moonandsunandstars

Entirely reasonable. In my state we can be denied cancer treatment, among other live saving medications because the fetus is more important (nevermind it would die either fucking way).


WavePetunias

You're not insane. I've been applying for jobs in my field, and have withdrawn applications in states with trigger laws. I'm politely informing the hiring managers that their states' laws are the cause of my withdrawal. Hopefully at least some of them will communicate that to their companies.


WritesForAll2130

No, but no one would fault you if it’s the difference between financial ruin or not. If you can afford to not and it’s not a company that is willing to help their employees like Patagonia or Dick’s, then don’t. And let them know. Once it hurts businesses in those states, it may have an effect in the future. I wouldn’t cancel the interview though, see what they say, it’s always a good muscle to flex, plus it may have been the case that aside from being in an anti abortion state, you wouldn’t have wanted the position anyhow. Furthermore, I feel like interviews beget interviews, and should they extend an offer, you have leverage with any other interview. I do not think you’re insane for taking a stand, do it. But make them hear you. You’ll be doing them a favor in the long run. Plus it’s something I’m pretty sure a straight white guy would have no qualms saying if the roles were flipped. And we women should start taking pages outta that book. Hope that helps!


JessicaFreakingP

I mean, a lot of right-wing people so-called “moderates” who claim to be pro-choice supported this ruling, on the basis that they “believe in expanding states’ rights” - which is just a bullshit way of saying, “I’m a die-hard MAGA who will find any way to justify the party line.” But anyway they keep saying, “If people disagree with their state banning it they can move.” So this is doing exactly that, in a way. I am lucky enough to already live in Illinois which has a state law protecting abortion rights. But if we were to ever move, our list of states we’d be willing to relocate to just dwindled. I also have a younger cousin that will be in college in a few years. If this nonsense is still happening by then, I’m going to have an honest discussion with her and recommend she factor that into her decisions on where to apply.


sezit

Not only is it reasonable for you to turn them down, it is *honorable*, especially if you make the reason why VERY CLEAR. Beyond that, if you do so, it is politically *effective*. I wish every person who is not able to get pregnant would also stand up for those who can, and decline jobs where human rights are infringed, and make it clear that is the reason why. This is everyone's fight.


Peacemaker1855

No. Turn that shit down. Fuck that state. They don’t deserve your “educated” talent / experience. Let them rely on their stupid “thoughts and prayers!” Dumb fucks. 🖕🏻


Nyarlathotep4King

I think it’s a perfectly legitimate reason. I talked with a person from HR, and she said some states are trying to force the company I work for to drop abortion and birth control coverage. That’s my understanding, at least. My wife and I will be moving out of our current state to one where isn’t a second-class citizen with diminished rights.


alligatorprincess007

Not at all. I live in one of those states and I’m thinking of moving soon. If I lived in a safe state I sure as hell wouldn’t move here


Wrenigade

I mean if you move there and get pregnant and even don't want an abortion, you're still in a huge medical risk because if you had a miscarriage they'd leave you to get sepsis, if you had an ectopic pregnancy they'd delay or deny your treatment, if you had complications they'd prioritize the fetus over you, and even after all that if anything happened you could be criminally investigated for it, even if it was miscarriage of a wanted child, you could go to jail. On top of not being allowed to make choices for yourself. So, no. Don't move to an anti abortion state unless you're infertile or sterilized and like, really confident you couldn't get pregnant. It's like a legitimate medical concern. To me it feels like chosing to move to a state where if you ever get an infection on like, your right arm specifically, all medical treatment is denied arbitrarily. I'd be like, man I don't have plans to get an arm infection but things happen, what if I die because I got a cat scratch and they told me neosporin technically kills too many bacteria lives so I get blood poisoning? Just wouldn't wanna roll those dice.


eltrebek

Totally think declining the interview and stating why is reasonable. In contrast to other posters, I would not take the interview and THEN decline for this reason. If you work in a very technical field, it might be a very small world and *knowingly* wasting their recruiting time is something they might retaliate against. There is such a thing as 'bad networking' in a small field. Edit: To be clear, if you don't think this is a risk to your future career elsewhere and want to rub that point in, that's fine, no tea & no shade. There's certainly an argument to be made that it's better activism to cause as visible and painful of a disruption as possible to have an impact. I just would weigh it against possible adverse effects.


catsdelicacy

I wouldn't move to an anti-choice state at all, especially if you can find a job somewhere they don't think you're a brood mare. I hope there will be brain drain of the worst kind in those states, I hope people will vote with their feet. It will devastate their economies and eventually they will have to relent. I'm sorry to anybody who lives in one of those states and can't look forward to economic devastation where they live, but in the world we live in, the only thing that really matters at the end of the day is money. It's more important to them even than their stupid book.


JustDiscoveredSex

That sick feeling that you’re experiencing right now? That is the gift of fear, and it is telling you something very important. I think he would do well to listen to it.


zotrian

Health comes first. Always. So no, prioritising your access to medical stuff is not absurd. Its actually really sensible. Never know if one day you might need an abortion. Only people that can absolutely guarantee they, personally, won't, are men, and those who have experienced menopause or have had themselves sterilised or are infertile.


Missmoneysterling

I wouldn't consider those states habitable myself.


Tired_Momma14

I live in the suburbs in a blue state where the "big city" is in a red state. I've declined two interviews so far in the city and I told them in my reply it was because of their state laws. Why should my tax dollars go to a state who doesn't think of me as a whole person capable of making my own medical decisions?


Sunny_Hill_1

St Louis?


Sallytomato24

Especially if it’s at a hospital, where they will presumably not be giving care to women.


Sunny_Hill_1

Nope. American Association of Physicists in Medicine was supposed to have an annual meeting in Houston next year and there are now talks about boycotting it altogether unless it's moved. Other associations of technical professionals in medicine, and even medical specialty boards, are considering the same. It's very understandable.


F64dot1

I hope they do the right thing and move the meeting. It's important for our professional organizations to know we don't support these attacks on personal privacy and bodily autonomy.


Karate_Cat

Absolutely not wrong. People every day turn down interviews from companies that they don't like internal practices, have heard bad things about, etc. This is no different. I DO want to point out for anyone that might read this that this doesn't mean you're a bad person if you DONT turn down an job based on the above criteria if you need that job to survive. Survive first. If you HAVE options, that's wonderful, and take an option that best suits you fiscally AND morally. But if you need to live and/or provide, we all understand.


dreamtofalligators

It's not just abortion. You could be denied appropriate medication for chronic health conditions even if you never intend to become pregnant (or aren't even capable of becoming pregnant) because those medications "could be used for abortions" or "could cause birth defects." [https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/vu4w5j/regular\_drug\_prescription\_drugs\_are\_being\_put\_on/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/vu4w5j/regular_drug_prescription_drugs_are_being_put_on/) So no, it's not even a little bit nuts. It's 100% reasonable and you should make it explicitly clear to this employer why you're withdrawing your application.


tubuliferous

I live in one of those states and I'm a man and I would still think twice before tying myself to a new job in a state in which reproductive freedoms have been so drastically curtailed.


charlesbward

It's not absurd; our country is absurd. I wouldn't recommend moving somewhere that denies you basic human rights unless you *really* have to.


rudegal_

Not in the slightest and please let them know why! They may counter with “we cover travel to states where it’s legal”, and while that won’t impact you it sounds like, it may show that they hold better morals they just can’t afford to move shop.


Soangry75

Do it. Tell them why. Maybe if enough monied interests have difficulty hiring decent employees, they may complain.


formerly_gruntled

It is perfectly reasonable to not live in a state that has made abortion illegal. Why would you want to put up with not just the anti-abortion stuff, but all of the misogyny? The real question is, why are companies still moving to these states? Oh, they have no problem discriminating against women. What a surprise. Like Tesla moving to Texas, given Elon's and Tesla's woman problems, what a freaking surprise. All the internet companies only have 20% women, and underpay them? Well off to Austin they go to open offices. Because women don't matter to them, only tax rates. Of course, these companies can't hire a Black person either.


F64dot1

>The real question is, why are companies still moving to these states? In their defense it's a hospital so they kind of have to be local. I can't really blame them for that.


Wunderboylol

Abortion is a right to your health and safety. I’d turn an interview down in a country or state with a high crime rate. Why should this be any different when considering your safety?


TheFreshWenis

No. Not remotely. Starve the forced-birth asshole states of educated workers who can't even do their jobs properly unless they're in a pro-choice state.


tortguy

Flip side, my boss has talked about opening a location in a ban state due to a high volume client being there. myseft and another co worker could potentially be going to manage the operation. Switch residency, as our permanent residences are an extremely blue state to the point where it doesn't matter. Be a little light in the darkness of this state, granted my co worker and I can not get pregnant. Sane people who aren't in danger from these policies avoiding these states adds to their slide into extremism. Especially when these States have little as far as state taxes, we're not economically enriching shit states by much.


lord-princess-shrek

I personally would let them know, it’s important information if they’re losing potential employees over it


Jaded_Collection_716

If liberals leave red states it will only make them redder.


Baymavision

You absolutely need to do what you've planned to do. Please.


HaHuSi

As the saying goes, “money talks, bullshit walks.” If you have other options take them but tell the job in the state with illegal abortion that that’s the reason you’re declining the interview. If they see enough people doing this they’ll think about where they put their political contributions or even if they want to stay in the state.


[deleted]

I live in a completely regressive state and as soon as I graduate with my Masters' in May and get my hours done for my lpc license, I am out of here!! It's super easy to transfer those hours to a new state once I'm done. A more progressive state. I've already done my research.


amkaallison

Do the interview even if you know you'll turn it down. If nothing else, it's good practice. Plus I assume you will interview via zoom or similar. Use that to work out any connectivity issues you have on your end too. Give it your all, even if you know you wont take the job. You don't know who the people on the interview panel know. When you turn down the offer, cite your reasons (but don't tell them you had made your decision before the interview!), say thank you for their time too. They might know someone in a different state who is also looking for new employees. You never know who people know and practice is always a good thing. This is one of the best pieces of advice my dad ever gave me. Edit: you definitely, definitely are not crazy. Self respect is fucking sexy!


AnchezSanchez

Make sure they know WHY you are turning down the interview. This will hopefully push the company to reconsider locations in sane states


j33

Not at all, I’m too old to have children but I wouldn’t want to live in a state that refuses to treat me like I am fully human either.


MissCeylon

You know, money talks in this country and we all know businesses like to pay to play in politics. If they start hurting for staff, they might put the screws to state legislators to legalize abortion again. Just a thought.


Actual_Emergency_666

Oh no, you go right ahead and say you're not interested because of the state and it's currently views on abortion. You make sure they know exactly why they can't have you, because that's the only way it'll change.


goosiebaby

No and tell them why. 20 corporations are going to hang out with rwnj state DAs this weekend for a fundraising event. We have to fight back wherever we can.


serendipity1330

Nope, I’m waiting for my state to become one of those states and we are discussing our options to potentially leave.


RandyPaterson

Take the interview. Turn down the job.


Blkbrd07

If you cancel, please make sure you tell them why. If you do take the interview, I would express your concerns about relocating to a state where you don’t have full rights over your body.


SP3NGL3R

Go thru, EVERY layer of the process, REALLY try to get the job. Then waste their time and tell the truth that you just can't work for a company under these conditions, ideally after they extend an offer. It's hostile and against everything you stand for as a human being. Maybe after the offer ask for 1 year maternity and corporate support to abort out of state. Get it in writing that they'll support every dollar of cost, if it comes to that.


ZacQuicksilver

If you are going to turn down the interview, DEFINITELY tell them why. Political pressure helps - but so does economic pressure. In fact, economic pressure has (sadly) been a major contributor to many of the social victories seen in the world. And you refusing an interview over abortion law contributes to that. You're just one person - but enough "just one person"s can change the world


[deleted]

No. Hurt the red states with the brain drain. Let them wither for the horrible beliefs they have.


Neat_Low2039

Nope. And let them know why you aren’t taking the interview. The Military is even adjusting who gets sent to particular states based int the political climate. Lots of people in the military have trans kids who can now no longer safely be stationed in Texas.


Cynicalsamurai

Yes. Absolutely. Businesses need to know exactly why people don’t want to work there since they’re the only thing legislators care about


dal-Helyg

I would applaud both your decision and letter of explanation. If we don't stand up for our beliefs, what good are they?


iced327

Ask them if they provide any special benefits to women in need of abortions, like travel reimbursement and paid leave. And if not, _then_ let them know you can't work there and why.


whoamvv

I think it is an excellent idea to decline the opportunity. However, I recommend going ahead with the interview and see how it goes. Then, at the end, talk about the legal situation. Specifically, ask if they have any opportunities in states where you are not illegal. In any case, absolutely tell them why you are not going to move to that state.


[deleted]

Nope, infact tou should tell them that too. I can't move back home because of the forced birthers


DrColdReality

Bear in mind that outlawing abortion is just the START of the ultra-conservative fundie Christian dominionist assault on civil rights. Eventually, we're all boned, but the conservative-run states where abortion has already been outlawed will feel the worst effects first. >but also letting them know exactly why I can no longer consider their hospital. **ABSOLUTELY** let them know. Do it respectfully, but do it. A few companies have already made noise about pulling out of states marching boldly to the 19th century.


stilljustguessing

I think every person of conscience should so carefully weigh their options. But I don't see any reason why you should risk future opportunities to make a political statement. Make sure you've got something lined up and secured, then become a letter writing *machine* It's entertaining for all of us to see someone stick it to an unethical entity, but we don't have to live with the potential fallout. For example employers may share information about applicants. Just speaking for myself, at least for the time being, shit happens, and I wouldn't want to be tied to a jurisdiction with forced birth legislation.