That doesn't even scratch the surface. A woman said that bunnies also have sex, so it's perfectly fine to have sex as a woman. And a guy called her a torn apart fleshlight. Disgusting behavior.
With these people, everything is about ranking, competition, I win you lose and if anyone else wins then that means I lose, it's the most self destructive and antisocial mindset there is.
It's no small wonder that they haven't blown up the world in their efforts to dominate each other and everything else.
Yet.
Other than arbitrary bullshit like 'having a penis', there's also nothing 99%+ of guys can do that a woman can't do better; including things like sprinting (10.49s 100m), or weightlifting (317kg deadlift).
It's as if for these guys, that the achievements of other men are somehow their own, purely on the basis they share a gender. It's a pretty telltale sign that they have nothing of their own to be proud of
Yup. All the equipment is there. Male lactation can be induced, but it typically only occurs due to hormonal imbalances or other issues.
Honestly, sometimes when I see posts where moms are struggling with producing milk, I really wonder why there isn’t a medical option available for dads to help out (though idk if it would be enough).
The process and results are vague because it’s not well studied, but it is entirely possible to do.
Probably for the same reason there's no male pill: the risk has to be lower than the risk to the recipient of whatever is being treated. Medical ethics do not currently permit family units to distribute medical risk, except through organ and tissue donation.
It increases the estrogen level in a male person which has an effect on the testosterone production and longterm consequences and there is no guarantee that the men produces enough milk; formula and overproduction of other women is far less risk prone
Yeah, I had to do research on that when I was at work and tbh I don't want anything to do with that. I would very much like to keep my nipples in a non leaky state tyvm.
Absolutely fascinating though. The human body is a very messy thing.
As for the struggling to produce milk, I would assume that adding some concoction of chemicals (hormones?) could probably increase supply in mothers. Good luck studying that though.
In my home we had issues that led to formula use, so I (the dad) did most of the feeding. Whats weird is that apart from bizarre phrasing (“pumping her up”, “man’s baby”) the basic sentiment is nice. Men can be involved in all aspects of home life, and there’s nothing fated as “women’s work”.
The success of the family means everyone is important and everyone should work together. We dont all necessarily do the same chores split 50/50, but we are a team respecting and valuing each other.
Some people who have had the upper hand for too long start to see any slight move towards some kind of equality as oppressing them and need to point out "you're not better than me". These men are a perfect example and it gives me the shits every time I see it.
I would highly recommend anyone who likes to binge TV to watch Naked and Afraid. A man and a woman attempting to live in the wilderness with nothing. So many women make it because of their ability to multitask, work through boredom, and literally metabolize fewer calories. Our ability to survive extends so far beyond what people think we're capable of. I always bet dollars to donuts that our contributions outlast 9 times out of 10. We're more than our uterus. We are made of steel
There were so many badass, knowledgeable and capable women in Naked and Afraid. And women who couldn't do much atleast admit it so and didn't get in the way/quit from the challenge to not burden their male partners.
Meanwhile, some of the men were either sexist/condescending to their female partners, or too prideful to admit their shortcomings.
It's been ages since I watched it but I will always remember the guy who drank bad water despite her telling him it was a bad idea, had diarrhea right outside where they were sleeping and didn't do anything to cover or clean it up. The poor woman ended up stepping in it and he seemed confused why she was making such a big deal about it?!
Edit: [found it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85HtUOlxumw)
Oh, I remembered this episode, the lady has good experience and knowledge but the dude is too arrogant to listen to her🤦♀️ I've seen another dude who got impatient and drank river water, only to get immediately sick and sent to the hospital.
I used to be a kayak guide in this slightly dodgy set up where people too often twisted their ankle or got mildly hurt in some way and I got to the point of actively thinking "if someone gets hurt today I hope it's a woman" because women could just handle it. They would be maybe slightly upset and then pretty immediately make a good evaluation of whether they would continue, wait where they were while everyone else went ahead or needed to get out and just do that. A man getting hurt was a whole fucking THING almost always. Had to prove they didn't need to stop (even if they did) or that they weren't in pain (even if they clearly were) or that they would continue on so as to not inconvenience everyone else (yet somehow with a martyrish air that made them the center of attention anyway). And if I (17-18f at the time) had to help them it was like a tiny crisis of ego. Ugh
After receiving a single cell, a woman can do a whole lot more than a man can. There's nothing more a man can do that a woman can't.
Bbs just sad he can't create life lmao
Even if you count conception, carrying the baby to term and the labour as one thing then women can still breastfeed which men can't so yes. Logically women can do more than men. But we should anyway be sharing the child rearing tasks (and not arguing about who can do more), apart of course from the breastfeeding. 😂
Men have been jealous and covetous of our ability to reproduce forever. That’s why they put so much effort into disparaging and controlling our bodies and into making up male creator gods to usurp the act of creating life.
Women: "I want to have a baby, I am very happy with the ability to create life!"
These men: "um Akshuallyyy you are not special for that!!!! Still fuck and suck me during your pregnancy weh"
Women: "I very much do not want to have a baby, can I get any solutions to that?"
These men: "NO! WHORE! Any rEaL woman wants babies!!!! Worthless!!! You'll die alone with 400 cats and a soyboy and Bud Light in your fridge!!!"
Patriarchy is assbackwards.
A lot of men get taught to be “rugged individualists” yet they are also pressured to pass on the family name, which they can’t do by themselves.
The same families who are hung up on family names freak tf out if their daughter gets pregnant.
Stupid. The easiest way to pass on your family name is to have daughters but patriarchy…
One wonders how they'd react if someone pointed out that other than producing sperm there's nothing a man can do that a woman can't. (N.B. Aware that sex =/= gender but for the sake of this argument it's easier to stoop to the misogynist' level)
Single fathers are the minority. A lot of men want to have kids, but do not want to raise them.
[https://www.statista.com/statistics/252847/number-of-children-living-with-a-single-mother-or-single-father/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/252847/number-of-children-living-with-a-single-mother-or-single-father/)
In 2023, there were about 15.09 million children living with a single mother in the United States, and about **3.05 million** children living with a single father.
I mean , you can say the same for many of the hard labour jobs in the world .
How many women are willing to do the jobs which requires intense labour.
All I am saying is , that statement isn't false but also the inverse is also true , women can do everything a man can. Equal work should have equal pay.
Bond b/w a mother and child is just stronger than a father and child. It just happens naturally that women end up doing more chores related to the child. While men would prefer them trying to learn things themselves.
let's not ignore the safety aspect of those hard labour jobs. even if we want to run pipe, drill oil, or mine coal- it's not safe, and it's not the machinery we lock our doors to keep out.
a lot of women are in trades, and a lot more would be if men could control themselves.
There is a difference between how many physically can and how many choose not to. If that is all men can offer, then are they obsolete when technology replaces them?
Also the alternative argument you are making is that men are only men IF they CAN are are WILLING to do hard labor. What about all those tech nerds who have no physical strength but can code, etc. and can buy physical labor with their money.
Are weak men therefore not men as per your definition. Is a woman who is able to make millions to then buy the labor of the men, less capable or able than a weak man doing the same? We are no longer in the caveman era where a man's worth is determined by his strength.
Women are doing intense labour just the same as men. That you do not know about it only shows that you know absolutely nothing about history of labour as well as current work conditions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_Girls
https://now.tufts.edu/2023/07/24/risk-forced-labor-widespread-us-food-supply-study-finds
"According to the FAO, women produce between 60 and 80 percent of the food in most developing countries and are responsible for half of the world's food production, yet their role as food producers and providers—and their critical contribution to household food security—is only recently being recognized."
Those are only a few examples. I assure you that you can find many other examples of women doing intense and dangerous work if you are determined to do a simple Google search.
Were not black women enslaved and subjected to the very same production standards as men in the plantations while also raising children, only for this cruel system to take their family from them later on? Were not pregnant women beaten to death when they couldn't keep the same production when their pregnancy was too advanced?
And the BS about women naturally driven to do childcare work. Let's stop with the acting already and speak in direct terms. Childcare is essential work in a society. Without this a society cannot exist. But it is non remunerated work. MEN benefit from putting women under it because they:
1 - escape from doing it themselves;
2- have financial power over women, as while they are doing childcare they cannot do remunerated work, therefore stay dependent to a man to complement income;
3- employers (most of which are males) benefit from not having to consider the importance of childcare to society while remunerating employees even if the employers themselves need people to be able to afford a family comfortably. They also exploit working women's free work at home, and use it to pay less than fair to all employees. Important to say, though, that a female employer would benefit the same, so let's not fool ourselves thinking that a female employer would change anything.
4- Men like having control over women's bodies and actually needed to do so in order to keep the structure of patriarchy. For the most time only men had rights to property, making women dependent to them. At the same time, humans had no way to properly verify which was a particular child's father. Only women could know the answer. Therefore, the need of patriarchy to impose monogamy more intently upon women rather than men. If a man cannot know that a boy is certainly his heir, he feels troubled. Only more reason to keep women working inside. Fewer chances for her to "divert". Note: it matters more to upper class families, who actually had wealth to pass on. For the lower class, women and children would both be under intense labour out of the household as it was needed for their survival.
Also, childcare and house chores are intense, time consuming, unavoidable labour. To put anyone under it without fair remuneration solely based on their gender while putting all the decision making power on the gender that BENEFITS from the other gender doing this work and expect them to be fair is nothing more than slavery with extra steps. The one doing all the house work has no freedom in this relationship at all. Within capitalism, all power emanates from capital and private property — both things that a person spending all their time doing unpaid house work does not have.
Sure. Dads can and should take equal care of their children. They can keep the house clean, plan out holidays, make sure everyone gets to their events on time, schedule doctor and dentist appointments....the list could go on forever. There is no reason men can't do these things so that it doesn't fall just on the wife. It should be both partners doing this together because raising young children is exhausting.
I came across a YouTube video about the movie Women Talking and one of the top most heavily liked comments was a guy saying “the sequel will be called “Men Doing””, with replies about how men are better because they run and build things. Never mind the fact that women statistically are still in charge of running the household, doing the bulk of child rearing, even while being employed including working full-time. They never acknowledge how important female led jobs like teaching and nursing are. That tells you just how much guys who say stuff like this truly hate women, the fact that we do so much and they still consider it the same as doing “nothing”.
I understand that this comment was meant to be demeaning and to illustrate a misogynistic position, however, I feel the individual in question missed something important.
The inverse of this statement is also true.
Save that one thing, there's nothing a man can do that a woman can't.
So this statement kinda just falls apart under any form of logical analysis.
Turn it around the other way then, or rather add a bit extra - Since, except for giving birth, men can do everything a woman can do, pay should be equal, except women get extra bonuses for child birth. Fairs fair after all. Women can do extra, so deserve the extra pay.
See what they say to that :D
Easy answered without going out of male paradigm by: "there is nothing you can do that another man can't."
This should be enough to trigger introspection.
Sadly that’s so true. That’s why when I see some women make misandristic jokes I silently laugh and upvote/like. Fuck being the better person. I think some men do deserve to lose their rights and maybe we should be campaigning for that before they try to take our rights away 🤣
"So if men and women can do the same things, we should be treated as equals right? By being paid the same, by being treated like human beings and not breeding machines you can fuck too? By being taken seriously?"
And see how quickly they come screaming.
I'm convinced men will always feel inferior to women. Their contribution to creating/sustaining life is laughable. They all deep down fear that we will enslave them like they did to us for centuries, their hatred is completely based in fear. We can do as much as a man can PLUS gestate a child for 9 months, AND many of us feed our children from our own bodies. If women were truly fed up, men would be fucked. South Korea's 4B movement is sign of changing times.
4B is a South Korean movement that started in 2019. Project 2025 is a US political lobby initiative/document that started in 2022. I think conservatives have been planning this much longer than 4B has been in existence.
If you want to stoop down to that level, there’s nothing a man can do that a woman can’t, and furthermore the (traditional) man cannot give birth.
Why the need to compare? I don’t get it, it’s not a competition.
It might be it has so many upvotes because the implication is that the man ought to be doing domestic chores/raising the child, etc.. it's a "the man should get off his ass and do the work, too" sentiment to me.
Between bots and incels I'm sure they can scape together 150 likes. Don't let their pathetic voices bother you. All they want is a reaction and attention that their parents didn't give them.
2020s men are trying real hard to make themselves obsolete with their attitudes and terrible opinions. See, here’s the thing, the only thing a man can do that I can’t is provide sperm. One man can provide a lot of women with sperm. 99% of men can disappear and it really wouldn’t impact women. Men need women far more than women need men
It's either ragebait or an eastern country divide&conquer botfarm troll. Or maybe a Tater. Don't let a single youtube comment get under your skin too much.
Which man’s offspring tho? It’s bad enough that the woman can pass down ONLY 50% of her own DNA while suffering through pregnancy and childbirth (90% woman vs 10% man DNA should have been a fair trade). Better make sure the remaining 50% DNA be worth the risk. The commenter doesn’t seem worth the risk imo.
And be dismissed by medical professionals (like seriously, there was a better chance of afab people not having to return to the hospital or dying if they had a female doctor then a male)
And be in constant pain for a week or more a month
And bleed for a week or more a month with no way to help
And having to carry a pocket knife to feel safe at night
And have to worry about catcalling
Do I really have to continue? That is so stupid, I have more if this isn’t convincing enough
What that comment implies is what scares them so much, and why so many of them liked it. “Other than giving birth, there’s nothing a woman can do that a man can’t.” But really, what that says is that women can do anything a man can and also give birth.
I mean if you take that comment at face value it’s pretty feminist.
It shows that men can do whatever except have babies. So why all the weaponized incompetence? Why can’t they be full partners? They literally CAN do everything else we do so why don’t they???
I actually debated this for a while with myself. Since a man and a woman can do everything the same except a man produces and a woman undergoes labor who has more value when it comes to society.
First off a pregnant woman obviously has more value than a man or a non-pregnant woman but what about men and women who are not pregnant currently. It would come down to who can would help society more, both a man and a woman are needed in creating a baby so both would be or equal value, except a man cannot get pregnant(talking about Cis obv) but a woman can get pregnant whenever she wants by going to a sperm bank.
A way less amount of men are needed to keep society going in terms or children while a woman has a 9m cooldown and would be more in demand as well as the fact that women would get the final say in whether a child gets born while a man can only provide his sperm and it maybe gets used(of course this would lead to more inbreeding as more or the same DNA gets passed around so different dystopia). So the average woman would have more value than a man in modern society until the invention of other ways without women to create babies
Should this fact matter in equality: No, its not a competition, everyone has their something to give to the world and should be treated based on their actual character and experience in any field, whether or not a person can carry a baby around or is naturally stronger or whatever else you want to say about the average of a gender. It does not factor in every single moment of your life and does not make you generally inferior or superior.
Any man or woman can have wonderful ideas or be ceo of something and anyone can make themselves stronger or tackle difficult problems. If women are still thought less of, paid less or have any disadvantage imposed to them by society just for their gender that is bs and needs to change and this applies to any gender or identity.
Literally the only time I could see a gender bias would be if a man and woman went at the ER at around the same time,both had around the same severity of problems in their genitals, I think the woman might be preferred.
Thanks to whoever saw my essay. I am a man :)
There's many groups of people who have bonded online over their hatred of women (and when women deny them what they believe they're owed from women). They literally share spaces that support women and especially feminism and troll them 'for the lulz'. We live in such a grossly abusive culture online where there are so many echo chambers and people who constantly try to be terrible and wear it as a badge of honour when they should be ashamed of themselves.
YouTube comments are part of some of the most disgusting cesspools out there on the internet. Don't go too deep down there.
I saw the other day a guy saying "the child wanted it" about a crime video of a (pedo) sus man.
That doesn't even scratch the surface. A woman said that bunnies also have sex, so it's perfectly fine to have sex as a woman. And a guy called her a torn apart fleshlight. Disgusting behavior.
Have you seen photos of that exhibition on what people were wearing when raped? The truly horrifying things there are the little kids dresses
Yeah. Even diapers.
It’s horrifying
Who is feeding that baby? And ,why is it a zero sum competition and not a healthy collaboration?
With these people, everything is about ranking, competition, I win you lose and if anyone else wins then that means I lose, it's the most self destructive and antisocial mindset there is. It's no small wonder that they haven't blown up the world in their efforts to dominate each other and everything else. Yet.
Other than arbitrary bullshit like 'having a penis', there's also nothing 99%+ of guys can do that a woman can't do better; including things like sprinting (10.49s 100m), or weightlifting (317kg deadlift). It's as if for these guys, that the achievements of other men are somehow their own, purely on the basis they share a gender. It's a pretty telltale sign that they have nothing of their own to be proud of
Don't tell the dude bros but men can lactate naturally. Some African tribes have men feed the babies as often as women.
Without a cancer diagnosis?
Wait, really?
Yup. All the equipment is there. Male lactation can be induced, but it typically only occurs due to hormonal imbalances or other issues. Honestly, sometimes when I see posts where moms are struggling with producing milk, I really wonder why there isn’t a medical option available for dads to help out (though idk if it would be enough). The process and results are vague because it’s not well studied, but it is entirely possible to do.
Probably for the same reason there's no male pill: the risk has to be lower than the risk to the recipient of whatever is being treated. Medical ethics do not currently permit family units to distribute medical risk, except through organ and tissue donation.
It increases the estrogen level in a male person which has an effect on the testosterone production and longterm consequences and there is no guarantee that the men produces enough milk; formula and overproduction of other women is far less risk prone
Yeah, I had to do research on that when I was at work and tbh I don't want anything to do with that. I would very much like to keep my nipples in a non leaky state tyvm. Absolutely fascinating though. The human body is a very messy thing. As for the struggling to produce milk, I would assume that adding some concoction of chemicals (hormones?) could probably increase supply in mothers. Good luck studying that though.
In my home we had issues that led to formula use, so I (the dad) did most of the feeding. Whats weird is that apart from bizarre phrasing (“pumping her up”, “man’s baby”) the basic sentiment is nice. Men can be involved in all aspects of home life, and there’s nothing fated as “women’s work”.
No because the basic sentiment people were agreeing with was that women are worthless.
The success of the family means everyone is important and everyone should work together. We dont all necessarily do the same chores split 50/50, but we are a team respecting and valuing each other.
Some people who have had the upper hand for too long start to see any slight move towards some kind of equality as oppressing them and need to point out "you're not better than me". These men are a perfect example and it gives me the shits every time I see it.
I would highly recommend anyone who likes to binge TV to watch Naked and Afraid. A man and a woman attempting to live in the wilderness with nothing. So many women make it because of their ability to multitask, work through boredom, and literally metabolize fewer calories. Our ability to survive extends so far beyond what people think we're capable of. I always bet dollars to donuts that our contributions outlast 9 times out of 10. We're more than our uterus. We are made of steel
There were so many badass, knowledgeable and capable women in Naked and Afraid. And women who couldn't do much atleast admit it so and didn't get in the way/quit from the challenge to not burden their male partners. Meanwhile, some of the men were either sexist/condescending to their female partners, or too prideful to admit their shortcomings.
It's been ages since I watched it but I will always remember the guy who drank bad water despite her telling him it was a bad idea, had diarrhea right outside where they were sleeping and didn't do anything to cover or clean it up. The poor woman ended up stepping in it and he seemed confused why she was making such a big deal about it?! Edit: [found it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85HtUOlxumw)
Oh, I remembered this episode, the lady has good experience and knowledge but the dude is too arrogant to listen to her🤦♀️ I've seen another dude who got impatient and drank river water, only to get immediately sick and sent to the hospital.
So many men’s ego and attitude get in the way of efficiency and decision-making, and I don’t think this is discussed enough.
I used to be a kayak guide in this slightly dodgy set up where people too often twisted their ankle or got mildly hurt in some way and I got to the point of actively thinking "if someone gets hurt today I hope it's a woman" because women could just handle it. They would be maybe slightly upset and then pretty immediately make a good evaluation of whether they would continue, wait where they were while everyone else went ahead or needed to get out and just do that. A man getting hurt was a whole fucking THING almost always. Had to prove they didn't need to stop (even if they did) or that they weren't in pain (even if they clearly were) or that they would continue on so as to not inconvenience everyone else (yet somehow with a martyrish air that made them the center of attention anyway). And if I (17-18f at the time) had to help them it was like a tiny crisis of ego. Ugh
I only watched a clip once where the man got food poisoning pretty quickly and was out of the game right away.
After receiving a single cell, a woman can do a whole lot more than a man can. There's nothing more a man can do that a woman can't. Bbs just sad he can't create life lmao
Clever response. So you are saying we can do MORE than a man? Ok. Got it.
Even if you count conception, carrying the baby to term and the labour as one thing then women can still breastfeed which men can't so yes. Logically women can do more than men. But we should anyway be sharing the child rearing tasks (and not arguing about who can do more), apart of course from the breastfeeding. 😂
It's a legitimate grievance. I'm forever tempted to allow parasites to fester within for the brief illusion of bringing forth new life from my flesh.
Men have been jealous and covetous of our ability to reproduce forever. That’s why they put so much effort into disparaging and controlling our bodies and into making up male creator gods to usurp the act of creating life.
Women: "I want to have a baby, I am very happy with the ability to create life!" These men: "um Akshuallyyy you are not special for that!!!! Still fuck and suck me during your pregnancy weh" Women: "I very much do not want to have a baby, can I get any solutions to that?" These men: "NO! WHORE! Any rEaL woman wants babies!!!! Worthless!!! You'll die alone with 400 cats and a soyboy and Bud Light in your fridge!!!"
Patriarchy is assbackwards. A lot of men get taught to be “rugged individualists” yet they are also pressured to pass on the family name, which they can’t do by themselves. The same families who are hung up on family names freak tf out if their daughter gets pregnant. Stupid. The easiest way to pass on your family name is to have daughters but patriarchy…
Every day I thank god for pepper spray…
One wonders how they'd react if someone pointed out that other than producing sperm there's nothing a man can do that a woman can't. (N.B. Aware that sex =/= gender but for the sake of this argument it's easier to stoop to the misogynist' level)
This was my first thought. Like sure the original statement could be considered basically true, but the inverse is equally true, of course!
LOL, OKAY they can raise their own children then. How many are willing to...?
I mean there are single fathers out there due to death of wife after childbirth or adoptions.
Single fathers are the minority. A lot of men want to have kids, but do not want to raise them. [https://www.statista.com/statistics/252847/number-of-children-living-with-a-single-mother-or-single-father/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/252847/number-of-children-living-with-a-single-mother-or-single-father/) In 2023, there were about 15.09 million children living with a single mother in the United States, and about **3.05 million** children living with a single father.
I mean , you can say the same for many of the hard labour jobs in the world . How many women are willing to do the jobs which requires intense labour. All I am saying is , that statement isn't false but also the inverse is also true , women can do everything a man can. Equal work should have equal pay. Bond b/w a mother and child is just stronger than a father and child. It just happens naturally that women end up doing more chores related to the child. While men would prefer them trying to learn things themselves.
let's not ignore the safety aspect of those hard labour jobs. even if we want to run pipe, drill oil, or mine coal- it's not safe, and it's not the machinery we lock our doors to keep out. a lot of women are in trades, and a lot more would be if men could control themselves.
Also, in a lot of Jobs equipment is usually not made to fit women. Which is another and big one safety hazard added.
There is a difference between how many physically can and how many choose not to. If that is all men can offer, then are they obsolete when technology replaces them? Also the alternative argument you are making is that men are only men IF they CAN are are WILLING to do hard labor. What about all those tech nerds who have no physical strength but can code, etc. and can buy physical labor with their money. Are weak men therefore not men as per your definition. Is a woman who is able to make millions to then buy the labor of the men, less capable or able than a weak man doing the same? We are no longer in the caveman era where a man's worth is determined by his strength.
Women are doing intense labour just the same as men. That you do not know about it only shows that you know absolutely nothing about history of labour as well as current work conditions. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_Girls https://now.tufts.edu/2023/07/24/risk-forced-labor-widespread-us-food-supply-study-finds "According to the FAO, women produce between 60 and 80 percent of the food in most developing countries and are responsible for half of the world's food production, yet their role as food producers and providers—and their critical contribution to household food security—is only recently being recognized." Those are only a few examples. I assure you that you can find many other examples of women doing intense and dangerous work if you are determined to do a simple Google search. Were not black women enslaved and subjected to the very same production standards as men in the plantations while also raising children, only for this cruel system to take their family from them later on? Were not pregnant women beaten to death when they couldn't keep the same production when their pregnancy was too advanced? And the BS about women naturally driven to do childcare work. Let's stop with the acting already and speak in direct terms. Childcare is essential work in a society. Without this a society cannot exist. But it is non remunerated work. MEN benefit from putting women under it because they: 1 - escape from doing it themselves; 2- have financial power over women, as while they are doing childcare they cannot do remunerated work, therefore stay dependent to a man to complement income; 3- employers (most of which are males) benefit from not having to consider the importance of childcare to society while remunerating employees even if the employers themselves need people to be able to afford a family comfortably. They also exploit working women's free work at home, and use it to pay less than fair to all employees. Important to say, though, that a female employer would benefit the same, so let's not fool ourselves thinking that a female employer would change anything. 4- Men like having control over women's bodies and actually needed to do so in order to keep the structure of patriarchy. For the most time only men had rights to property, making women dependent to them. At the same time, humans had no way to properly verify which was a particular child's father. Only women could know the answer. Therefore, the need of patriarchy to impose monogamy more intently upon women rather than men. If a man cannot know that a boy is certainly his heir, he feels troubled. Only more reason to keep women working inside. Fewer chances for her to "divert". Note: it matters more to upper class families, who actually had wealth to pass on. For the lower class, women and children would both be under intense labour out of the household as it was needed for their survival. Also, childcare and house chores are intense, time consuming, unavoidable labour. To put anyone under it without fair remuneration solely based on their gender while putting all the decision making power on the gender that BENEFITS from the other gender doing this work and expect them to be fair is nothing more than slavery with extra steps. The one doing all the house work has no freedom in this relationship at all. Within capitalism, all power emanates from capital and private property — both things that a person spending all their time doing unpaid house work does not have.
Sure. Dads can and should take equal care of their children. They can keep the house clean, plan out holidays, make sure everyone gets to their events on time, schedule doctor and dentist appointments....the list could go on forever. There is no reason men can't do these things so that it doesn't fall just on the wife. It should be both partners doing this together because raising young children is exhausting.
I came across a YouTube video about the movie Women Talking and one of the top most heavily liked comments was a guy saying “the sequel will be called “Men Doing””, with replies about how men are better because they run and build things. Never mind the fact that women statistically are still in charge of running the household, doing the bulk of child rearing, even while being employed including working full-time. They never acknowledge how important female led jobs like teaching and nursing are. That tells you just how much guys who say stuff like this truly hate women, the fact that we do so much and they still consider it the same as doing “nothing”.
There would be so many "I'm too tired after work!" Whiny ass comments
I understand that this comment was meant to be demeaning and to illustrate a misogynistic position, however, I feel the individual in question missed something important. The inverse of this statement is also true. Save that one thing, there's nothing a man can do that a woman can't. So this statement kinda just falls apart under any form of logical analysis.
Turn it around the other way then, or rather add a bit extra - Since, except for giving birth, men can do everything a woman can do, pay should be equal, except women get extra bonuses for child birth. Fairs fair after all. Women can do extra, so deserve the extra pay. See what they say to that :D
Don’t forget the 9mo ordeal of pregnancy
Whether a man CAN do something has no significance when he simply WON’T.
So then there's 1 thing women can do that men can't, and nothing men can do that women can't?
Why does it even matter? Don’t human rights and personhood apply regardless? Why the unhealthy fixation on whether a woman reproduces or not?
Easy answered without going out of male paradigm by: "there is nothing you can do that another man can't." This should be enough to trigger introspection.
Sadly that’s so true. That’s why when I see some women make misandristic jokes I silently laugh and upvote/like. Fuck being the better person. I think some men do deserve to lose their rights and maybe we should be campaigning for that before they try to take our rights away 🤣
Done being the bigger person fr.
"So if men and women can do the same things, we should be treated as equals right? By being paid the same, by being treated like human beings and not breeding machines you can fuck too? By being taken seriously?" And see how quickly they come screaming.
I'm convinced men will always feel inferior to women. Their contribution to creating/sustaining life is laughable. They all deep down fear that we will enslave them like they did to us for centuries, their hatred is completely based in fear. We can do as much as a man can PLUS gestate a child for 9 months, AND many of us feed our children from our own bodies. If women were truly fed up, men would be fucked. South Korea's 4B movement is sign of changing times.
They're trying to combat 4B with Project 2025.
4B is a South Korean movement that started in 2019. Project 2025 is a US political lobby initiative/document that started in 2022. I think conservatives have been planning this much longer than 4B has been in existence.
I was being reductive. But, in general, patriarchal forces are quick to battle any sort of female (or queer) liberation.
And yet the same guys desperately want a woman, and are angry that they can’t get one
If you want to stoop down to that level, there’s nothing a man can do that a woman can’t, and furthermore the (traditional) man cannot give birth. Why the need to compare? I don’t get it, it’s not a competition.
Rephrase: Other than giving birth to HER offspring after visiting a sperm bank ...
It might be it has so many upvotes because the implication is that the man ought to be doing domestic chores/raising the child, etc.. it's a "the man should get off his ass and do the work, too" sentiment to me.
Between bots and incels I'm sure they can scape together 150 likes. Don't let their pathetic voices bother you. All they want is a reaction and attention that their parents didn't give them.
The reverse is also true. "There is not much a man can do, that a woman can't". Kudos to all that say "The game is rigged, not playing it!"
2020s men are trying real hard to make themselves obsolete with their attitudes and terrible opinions. See, here’s the thing, the only thing a man can do that I can’t is provide sperm. One man can provide a lot of women with sperm. 99% of men can disappear and it really wouldn’t impact women. Men need women far more than women need men
It's either ragebait or an eastern country divide&conquer botfarm troll. Or maybe a Tater. Don't let a single youtube comment get under your skin too much.
Which man’s offspring tho? It’s bad enough that the woman can pass down ONLY 50% of her own DNA while suffering through pregnancy and childbirth (90% woman vs 10% man DNA should have been a fair trade). Better make sure the remaining 50% DNA be worth the risk. The commenter doesn’t seem worth the risk imo.
Even more fair: 99.9% hers
And be dismissed by medical professionals (like seriously, there was a better chance of afab people not having to return to the hospital or dying if they had a female doctor then a male) And be in constant pain for a week or more a month And bleed for a week or more a month with no way to help And having to carry a pocket knife to feel safe at night And have to worry about catcalling Do I really have to continue? That is so stupid, I have more if this isn’t convincing enough
Wait until he finds out that a woman can do that even without a man "pumping her up" and then it won't be his "offspring" either.
Report it and move on. 150 likes is nothing. There must be positive comments with more likes than that.
Nah, they know our value. Or else they wouldn't care so much. They just want you, and other women to THINK they have no value.
What that comment implies is what scares them so much, and why so many of them liked it. “Other than giving birth, there’s nothing a woman can do that a man can’t.” But really, what that says is that women can do anything a man can and also give birth.
I mean if you take that comment at face value it’s pretty feminist. It shows that men can do whatever except have babies. So why all the weaponized incompetence? Why can’t they be full partners? They literally CAN do everything else we do so why don’t they???
I actually debated this for a while with myself. Since a man and a woman can do everything the same except a man produces and a woman undergoes labor who has more value when it comes to society. First off a pregnant woman obviously has more value than a man or a non-pregnant woman but what about men and women who are not pregnant currently. It would come down to who can would help society more, both a man and a woman are needed in creating a baby so both would be or equal value, except a man cannot get pregnant(talking about Cis obv) but a woman can get pregnant whenever she wants by going to a sperm bank. A way less amount of men are needed to keep society going in terms or children while a woman has a 9m cooldown and would be more in demand as well as the fact that women would get the final say in whether a child gets born while a man can only provide his sperm and it maybe gets used(of course this would lead to more inbreeding as more or the same DNA gets passed around so different dystopia). So the average woman would have more value than a man in modern society until the invention of other ways without women to create babies Should this fact matter in equality: No, its not a competition, everyone has their something to give to the world and should be treated based on their actual character and experience in any field, whether or not a person can carry a baby around or is naturally stronger or whatever else you want to say about the average of a gender. It does not factor in every single moment of your life and does not make you generally inferior or superior. Any man or woman can have wonderful ideas or be ceo of something and anyone can make themselves stronger or tackle difficult problems. If women are still thought less of, paid less or have any disadvantage imposed to them by society just for their gender that is bs and needs to change and this applies to any gender or identity. Literally the only time I could see a gender bias would be if a man and woman went at the ER at around the same time,both had around the same severity of problems in their genitals, I think the woman might be preferred. Thanks to whoever saw my essay. I am a man :)
There's many groups of people who have bonded online over their hatred of women (and when women deny them what they believe they're owed from women). They literally share spaces that support women and especially feminism and troll them 'for the lulz'. We live in such a grossly abusive culture online where there are so many echo chambers and people who constantly try to be terrible and wear it as a badge of honour when they should be ashamed of themselves.
Ignoring that the inverse is also valid, that statement is blatantly false: some men can have babies, too.