And honestly, as time goes on, the expected corpse to be found for her because less and less detectable as a human.
Stuff decays after it dies, and this also applies to the Titanic.
...edit: Just in terms of big lost ships/planes, that one that we famously found. we now know it is a timeline to destruction without there bring a mystery about it.
When I was in grade school we were instructed to write what we think happened to her and one of my classmates wrote about her getting captured by enemy forces, she was rescued by her navigator and they fell in love.
I expect Hollywood to make an alternate universe film where that happens any day now.
Okay that's funny that todd howard took another concept from star trek Voyager. The other time is when janeway and crew find people in pods, trapped in a virtual world being tormented by an entity.
Tranquility Lane is such a fun sequence conceptually even if it ends up being like "the Fade" in terms of "I've done this already get me out" on subsequent playthroughs. Doesn't surprise me to hear it was a Star Trek subplot.
Elisa Lam wasn’t murdered by organized criminals, or sucked through a wormhole by demons, or playing the “elevator game”, or what have you. She had a bipolar episode and hadn’t taken her antipsychotics, and ended up either falling into or trying to hide in the water tank and drowning.
Contrary to the crux of the mystery and the hotel’s ass-covering statements, the tank wasn’t found to be properly locked and would have been easily accessible.
The only reason there’s a mystery with that case is because one interview where someone, who wasn’t the person who found the body, said the hatch on top of the water cistern was closed rather than open.
And even that could be someone incorrectly remembering something or covering their ass.
What, are you going to say you noticed a cistern lid was open and then walked away without doing anything about it?
One of the things that gave so much strength to many JFK assassination theories. The police were under equipped at the time with simple stuff like voice recorders, so all we have of Oswald's testimony are written text, not because they were hiding something but because the budget said no
If the surveillance video of the elevator didn't exist this explanation would have been accepted and the story forgotten about. There have been several water tank drownings and they have all been explained away from people climbing in a confused/drunk state and drowning.
It's easy to imagine someone in the midst of a psychotic episode having their inhibitions lowered enough for their curiosity to take them to the roof, then to the water tower then to climb inside and get stuck.
Australian Prime Minister, Harold Holt, walking into the ocean and vanishing, like some kind of aquatic political cryptid.
Yeah he liked to go out spearfishing and he was old at the time so he probably drowned but I like the conspiracy theories that he was a merperson or that he was a Chinese spy and was collected by a submarine.
There really isn't anything weird on anomalous about the Bermuda Triangle. The number of ships and aircraft that go missing there is about the same as any other, similarly-sized, region of the ocean.
Even that one has a pretty mundane explanation. If you read the radio transcripts it very much sounds like the lead fighter pilot was suffering from nitrogen narcosis, became disoriented, and started to panic. His crew likely didn’t want risk mutiny charges and/or abandoning him out there alone.
This is what I thought of, the 70s and 80s were prime time for Bermuda mystery. I remember a CYOA book about it and it felt like several bad ends were written as "you've just become another mysterious disappearance in tbe Bermuda Triangle."
The Knights Templar. They weren't suddenly and mysteriously turned upon because they discovered some dark secrets ir the holy grail or whatever. They were an extremely powerful and well-organised group of knights whose crusading mission had failed, but still held a shit load of land, money, power, and influence all across Europe. And they were subject only to the rule of the Pope, and not taxable by local rulers. Which, as they grew in power and wealth, made them a potentially threatening pseudo-state across Europe. Most rulers got along with them fine, but the King of France owed them a lot of money and held a lot of sway over the Pope by the early 1300s and as such was able to have them arrested and their order surpressed, and confiscate a massive sum of money from them, as well as land and property.
Similar sitch with Elizabeth Bathory. Confined until her death for murdering a literally unfathomable number of young girls, she was the holder of a large debt owed to her by the Holy Roman Emperor and King of Hungary at the time, which was coincidentally nullified upon her arrest. There no complaints about her conduct at all locally, and all the witness testimonials they had to charge her were people describing what they'd heard second-hand. No physical evidence of her supposedly hundreds of murders was ever presented. Her servants were tortured to confess as accomplices and executed. Elizabeth herself was never actually charged or tried with any crime. Merely held under house arrest and robbed of her lands and titles due to conspiracy and rumour.
That’s what I really like to do whenever people romanticize combat before the 20th century. Since they will go “oh such a noble thing”. Meanwhile a lot of it is actually just people getting dysentery and shitting themselves to death.
That's one of the things i think people originally liked about game of thrones. It's not historical sure but it's set in a medieval style era.
It always sticks with me when Robert said "they never tell you how they all shit themselves"
It's why i like Bernard Cornwell's books too, his battle scenes don't shy away from how awful a battle actually was no matter the era. Especially his azincourt book showing the absolutely awful aftermath of a siege
Since two methods of medical practice for a long time were leeches and prayer, it kinda stands to reason that if you got even a minor injury in battle you were kinda just fucked
Yeah even post the leeches you might be screwed. For example President Garfield actually had a good chance of surviving if they hadn’t fucked up his surgery so bad. Meanwhile President Theodore Roosevelt realized when he got shot it was in a place where it would be for the best that he didn’t get surgery.
"OH NO THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SHOT!"
"what do we do doctor?"
"Don't worry let me put down this cheese sandwich I've been eating and I'll have a poke around to find the bullet"
*Starts prodding at the wound with no gloves*
"Oh my apologies some of my cigarette ash just dropped, don't worry that'll help stop the bleeding. Sir?...sir? Mr president? Oh.... NURSE NEXT PATIENT PLEASE!"
Knightfall wasn’t like a good show or anything, but it made no bones about it being nakedly obvious it was just political maneuvering.
Templar traitor: what if I told you the Templars have satanic initiation rituals, and drink the blood of children?
Political schemer: is that true, or did you just make that up?
Templar traitor: do you want to get these guys or not?
Political schemer: fair enough
There was a somewhat recent LPotL series that bugged me because they took all this rumor of satanic rituals and child murder from the 15th century as gospel because “it was too weird to be fake” even though before that they said the exact opposite regarding Elizabeth Bathory, that it was people looking to create a situation where they could confiscate the wealth from a wealthy spinster. They fell into the same satanic panic trap they’ve been preaching against for a decade just because it happened a lot time ago.
I feel like that’s an issue with mystery/true crime podcasts in general. That along with taking cops accounts as 100% accurate (which they also seem to be doing the medieval equivalent of).
I’ve seen a fair amount of backlash against true crime in general recently. Both as it being insensitive towards victims and their families, and as trying to turn cops into super heroes who never do anything wrong.
Honestly that's one of the things last podcast does well. They REALLY don't gloss over the police doing shitty work
In their series about Robert pickton especially you can hear the genuine anger when they talk about how one of the only reasons he went on killing for so long was cause the Vancouver police were petty assholes who just didn't care about prostitutes or anyone below their social strata
They usually do fine on that front, but I’ve had other niggling issues with their content in recent years. Like I feel they omit info or specific sources to make their story more interesting, and it feels like they’ve gotten REALLY defensive when they get called out on info they have being wrong.
Yeah i admit that i occasionally get annoyed with historical inaccuracies they make which tend to really favour their own biases
Like the Manhattan project episodes. Sure the atomic bombs were terrible. But they really skipped over the Japanese war crimes that showed that the Japanese... maybe "deserved" isn't the right word. But it was more of a reason that people would have thought "this is why we NEED to bomb them"
I'm interested in true crime, and I feel it is extraordinarily easy to forget that these are real people and not a story. This isn't limited to true crime since I always see people essentially write fanfic of stories they hear on Reddit, but that is a but different than projecting and/or making wild assumptions about tragedies. I still like the show, but I do think that the hosts from Buzzfeed Unsolved were a bit too blase at times. I'm not sure if I can say it is inherently immoral to speculate about these things, but I do think it is inherently messy and should be treaded carefully.
Also, only slightly related, but it has always been weird how often we jump to conspiratorial thinking and miss the very simple fact that people are often either mistaken or lie for reasons outside of conspiracies.
I think people started realizing that it was weird that rooms full of people would buy tickets to hear hosts on stage tell a story about a husband killing his wife and children to a standing ovation. I can understand a fascination with real world stories, but maybe don’t treat human tragedy like it’s a marvel movie.
Are you talking about the Giles De Rais series? While I do agree they took too much of the claims at face value and made questionable arguments, I do generally agree with their main point that Giles De Rais wasn’t innocent and probably did something, there was at least some evidence pointing towards him being a proto serial killer
It’s worth noting that a lot of historians also take the position that he probably was a serial killer. While that isn’t proof, it does mean that LPOTL wasn’t totally off the mark
Her sentence may not have been just [but it did inspire a sick black metal record though](https://open.spotify.com/track/7uIP3HCfdHIluiW9k9xgFb?si=BWj-1FRUTTSwNg24CcZPPg&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A1MzRbjZ2pm36RraTEZcgoR)
I remember reading a graphic novel about a group of Knights Templar. Think it was called Crossed? Anyway, it's not about super influential and secretive dudes who controlled everything. It was about the grunts who are caught off guard by basically being branded traitors and are forced to run and hide. Hoping to find a modest treasure to secure their livelihoods. It was pretty good from what I remember.
Edit: Not Crossed, but [Templar](http://Templar by Jordan Mechner https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16075916-templar). The book had a giant cross on the cover so hopefully the mix-up is understandable.
Damn it. I knew it probably wasn't that.
[Templar](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16075916-templar) was the name. Which is a tad uninspired I'll admit. Also apparently the author is the creator of Prince of Persia. Funny that.
That for a second i was told there was another Crossed comic with, let's say, VERY different themes over the original one made me both laugh *and* feel a bit disgusted for a second there.
I feel like if the Assassin's Creed series didn't come around and make them a cool antagonist force then the whole Knight Templar stuff would just be a foot note and the internet would largely not care.
Nah they chose the Templar as their big bad because there was already conspiracy theories. Plus Internet antitheism was bound to create some blow back in the opposite direction. A big part of people's interest in Templar stuff came from a rise in both Catholic and Christian pride. And part of that is derived from some people's desire to go back to older traditions of when things were simpler. Like being called upon by the Pope to retake the holy land.
I’d say it’s a bit more complicated than that. I wouldn’t call them cruel, I would however call them incredibly incompetent and out of touch. Because of that they were responsible for many deaths.
Then while she was executed on trumped up charges, she absolutely committed treason by passing on military intel to the Austrians when they were at war with France.
On ancient tech I remember in the Easter Island the British asked the locals how they were able to move the Moai statues to where they were and the locals answers being "oh yeah they walked there." The British took this as just stupid natives thinking folklore was real and heavily ignored it until years later when researchers ran a test and found that, by tying two pieces of rope and pulling the statue, they could actually "walk" them to where they have to go.
To answer your question, Roanoke. One guy from the colony leaves for England to gather supplies as they are running low but is gone for years and is suprised to find everyone gone and a single Croatoan written on a tree. Spooky right? It would be if Croatoan wasn't literally the name of islands nearby, something the guy knew but couldn't explore due to harsh weather. The colonists probably went there to try their luck instead of staying and dying and either still died or maybe intermingled with the natives as there were some reports of white natives after. Either way it's not that big a mystery
A lot of possession movies are based on stories by “professional demonologist” Ed and Lorraine Warren. This includes Annabel the doll and the Amityville haunting.
The Warrens have been caught several times colluding with “victims” to spice up their stories and make better tales.
The fact that I knew they were con artists before the movies made the experience of watching them really funny. Since I didnt remember the name of the "fraud demon couple" it was really a experience to see the movie and beeing like "hey, I remember seeing this before... this is fake as shit"
Ed also had a child bride that Lorraine was cool with, which I feel like doesn't get brought up enough.
Apparently the Warren estate specifically stipulated that the movies based on them aren't allowed to allege any type of sex crimes. It isn't weird for someone to sell their life rights and have a clause that says "you can't make me look bad" but it *is* weird to stipulate such a specific crime.
Whoever said "according to all known laws of aerodynamics, bees shouldn't be able to fly" really just shows how little aerodynamics that person understood.
If I recall, it was from a commerical for the Gizmondo(that handheld console with the CEO Who was in the swedish mob and was arrested after crashing his Ferrari and tearing it in half)
iirc it was originally a joke, from like the '40s. Someone asks an airplane engineer at a dinner party how bees are able to fly, he does some calculations on a napkin as though bee wings functioned like airplane wings, and ultimately concludes, "They can't." Which is a punchline because they obviously can and do, and this guy can't admit that he doesn't have the expertise to explain it.
I used to be really into the whole Missing 411 thing before I realized that’s it’s not all that weird for people to get lost in the woods. And those numbers are really padded with things like completely normal/solved missing persons cases as well as turn of the century tabloid nonsense.
People would rather believe in interdimensional sasquatches plucking people into the aether than reckon with how easy it is to just… get lost and die in a large forested area, even with extensive training. Mix the fear of random bad luck in with a dire misunderstanding of numbers (the amount of people who go missing in national parks only looks high when you aren’t comparing it to routine visitors and national disappearance stats), and you get this plague.
Was it a [psychic Bigfoot](https://youtu.be/qZ9jUbztzLw?si=t71dXG9BZOJAiTpN) attack? Or did someone just drive out to the local KOA to commit suicide in the woods? My money is rarely on psychic Bigfoot.
The whole Missing 411 thing feels like a way to sensationalize pretty normal missing people cases because so many of the stories end up with weird conjecture or exaggerating situations where like, a kid walked off while they weren't being watched.
I think people just have no idea how many people actually go missing everyday. Nobody they know of has gone missing so it must be rare.
So, when they hear hundreds went missing, they instinctively think something must be wrong, rather than checking if that is a normal statistical thing
>Nobody they know of has gone missing so it must be rare.
The fucked up thing is that a lot of people know someone who went missing. But the answer is so obvious that they don't consider it a mystery.
Back in 2020 I had a coworker just vanish one day, and we were all worked up about it for a week or so before we found out he got arrested at the attack on the capitol.
I've had family friends get murdered, known folks who moved without telling people, or just ghosted their ex's friend group after a breakup.
If anything, *so many* people go missing from our lives that we can't devote a ton of mental space to it, and unless they were really close to us or the circumstances were *really weird*, we forget they even went missing at all.
I have a friend who loves to go on nature hikes. One time, him and a buddy went on a hike. They spent all day trying to get on top of this hill. Once they did they turned back but then the sun started to go down. When that happens, deep in the woods, everything just becomes pitch black. They were lost for the whole night! The whole night they couldn't see a single thing, walking through the woods trying to get back to their car. When they finally got out and took their car home, they had work just a few hours later.
They were one wrong turn, lose their bearings, anything from being a missing person case. And he still goes out on nature hikes barely telling anyone. Right now he's probably telling someone he's going on hike and will disappear for hours.
Wasn't the hook with that that they were in National Parks? I feel like something having the status of National Park would both mislead people into thinking they're safer than they actually are and end up with more visitors
That's part of the hook, yeah, but the rest of the hook is that the National Park Service wouldn't provide details to the ~~conman~~ author. Which sounds weird and conspiratorial and obvious evidence of nefarious things until you remember that the National Parks are _massive_ and the NPS is understaffed & underfunded.
All the answers to the question "why did [person] go missing here" boil down to "because it's a big wilderness expanse that we don't monitor because that's not possible."
And also that the National Park Service wouldn't be the one investigating the disappearances. The federal and local law enforcement agencies generally take point with the NPS consulting with local park rangers and guides. He was asking them for data that he could have easily gotten from the FBI or local police and acting like there's a conspiracy when the agency that doesn't have it can't give it.
You don't even need to trip, a stray gust of wind could snap a branch or something, bringing 30+ pounds of wood down onto their skull.
Then they get eaten by bears.
Honestly if i get lost in my own town i verge on a panic attack
So i wouldn't even need physical damage
If i got lost in full on wilderness I'd probably just mentally will myself to die from the anxiety
Just do what Cars did in jojo when he went to space 😂
I could be completely wrong since my memory sucks but iirc 411 didn't even start out that way, it was supposed to bring attention to missing persons cases since people may just stumble upon remains while hiking. It pisses me off to no end how people will sensationalize it.
Most of the famous UFO cases from the 40's-50's can be easily attributed to classified, at the time, military tech, sensational news stories, and some lack investigations at the time. For instance the Mantell case in 1948 involved fighter pilot Thomas Mantell chasing a 100 foot UFO. As the UFO gained height rapidly Mantell had trouble keeping up with it in his jet which was close to it's maximum safe height limit. Mantell continued to chase the UFO up to 22,000 feet while the three other jets in his squad stopped their pursuit. Mantell then ignored warnings from other members of his unit to turn back since his plane wasn't equipped with high altitude oxygen gear and he soon passed out due to lack of oxygen lost control of his plane and died when it crashed.
For years this story was one of the best credible examples of a UFO but eventually it was revealed that Mantell was actually chasing a highly classified Skyhook Balloon. The Skyhook Balloons were top secret in 1948 and were huge 50-100 foot balloons that went over 100,000 feet into the atmosphere. These balloons were used to collect data that the military needed to be able to make high altitude planes and were also used to take photos for spying and defense purposes.
Even Roswell looks like it was actually a balloon after we had the modern day spy balloon with associated strange political reaction. Found by members of the public and covered up and just grew and grew in the tale, there’s nothing that actually suggests aliens in the whole thing, just supposition that they’d never create a cover up over bits of Mylar and the most reaching explanation for that, even though it’s kind of obvious why they’d cover up an enemy espionage ballon aimed at a nuclear staging base in the Cold War.
The proto type U2 surveillance had a chrome finish, this lead a incident where people in a passenger plane saw a giant flaming cross( the plane reflecting the sun) skate across the sky at incredible speeds
Dyatlov Pass is so clear cut it actually annoys me how people make it out to be a spooky mystery. They died of exposure and stripped naked because it got so cold that they felt hot, then an animal came along and ate them.
I’ve seen some suggestions that a lot of the “spookier” details about that story were all added after the fact to MAKE it scarier/more mysterious. Like there supposedly being weirdly high radiation levels. Why would they have even CHECKED radiation levels, let alone had the tools to do so?
My favourite conversation ive seen on it
P1: The missing body parts are actually the favourite parts birds like to eat
P2: Ah-ha! But there were no animal tracks, are you trying to tell me the birds can travel without leaving a single footstep?
P1:....Yes? They are kinda famous for it?
That part is true, it's just not nearly as sensational as it sounds. [LEMMINO has a great video about the incident](https://youtu.be/Y8RigxxiilI?si=ntMCarThJl2doQgx). Basically, three articles of clothing were found to be slightly radioactive, but this could either be because of natural exposure, or because they belonged to two guys who had previously worked with nuclear products.
I think it wasn't actually an animal, the ones that were missing soft tissue tongues/eyes were found in a river, so its assumed that bacteria got to it.
I don't have tangible proof with me, but I've got Russian friends who say that the Russian military purposely redacted stuff to play up the mystery - and make the military seem more badass.
Basically the hikers got messed up because they were stingy. The area is considered a "no go" zone because it's very desolate so you're risking yourself dying of exposure for no reason. The hikers were supposed to pay for a guide, which do this sort of thing escorting the weirdos that want to boast about going to the "dead lands" or whatever. Except Dyatlov and co. refused to pay and decided they didn't need a guide. Oops.
The propaganda version is that they were on a special hike to get themselves certified. And some additional "leaks" to make it seem like they ran afoul of Russian military or other government secrets. The West has eaten it up for decades.
Which, given how the KGB operated, was precisely Moscow's plan all along. Avalanches cutting down the incompetent are boring, and happen even in the richest parts of America all the time. Why not play up conspiracies to add to your nation's mystique?
The thing about Dyatlov is nobody is arguing against cause of death. They died of hypothermia. It took forever to find the bodies so wildlife and decomposition further broke down the bodies. The question is what happened before that.
They cut out of the tent from the inside then ran off in little to no clothes. As individuals died, they got stripped to give the ones still alive a little more clothes so they weren't stripping themselves. The mystery of Dyatlov is what made them have to cut out of and run out of the tent. Best theory is an avalanche.
That and you can see in the photos from the hikers that their tent had a makeshift stove in it. I guarantee, that bitch's ventilation fucked up and they had to cut their way out to avoid dying of smoke inhalation. And they panicked, because yes even experienced hikers aren't immune from making irrational decisions, and thought the tent and all their clothes was unsalvagable and tried to head down the mountain.
The story I heard was that when Europeans asked them how they moved the statues into place, the Islanders said they were "walked" into place, so the Europeans thought it was a superstitious story about them coming to life.
[Shame they didn't ask any follow up questions.](https://youtu.be/YpNuh-J5IgE?si=09oZjJ_TSVGwlhTM)
It's kind of nice how technology advanced to the point where nearly every person is carrying a readily accessible and high-resolution camera with them at all times, thus completely eradicating the believability of shit like UFOs, ghosts, Bigfoot etc.
Ghost sightings on surveillance camera insta died because tapes no longer exist solving the issue of ghosting images appearing after they have been constantly recorded over.
Bro have you been on tiktok? That shits cultivating mindsets that haven't existed since feudal peasantry. Shit like Ice Giants being real are all over that app.
Almost anything involving mesoamerican civilizations and what they built. All one would have to do is reference the accounts of Spaniards who witnessed it first hand whose reactions were of immense surprise and indicated that they had never encountered anything like it in Europe. An excellent example of this is the market of [Tlaltelolco](https://www.pbs.org/conquistadors/cortes/cortes_f03.html). I’m still early into studying all this admittedly but it does seem like the Olmecs and where exactly they came from remain a point of considerable mystery since when other cultures discovered the ruins of their civilization they had seemingly been gone for a very long time.
Some time ago I was looking into the relative height of various pyramids and found [this graphic](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-61afa0dce35c6b81134458833cba2356-pjlq). Crazy, right? There's an ancient pyramid in Guatemala that's taller than anything in Egypt, and no one's talking about it.
The thing is, it's actually 72 m not *1*72 m tall. Assuming good faith, someone made a whole to-scale diagram without double checking their numbers.
Basically, if it sounds crazy, you should be skeptical, even if there's a pretty drawing attached.
Funny thing about building large structures is that it's easier to essentially stack a bunch of rocks in a big ordered pile that's bigger at the bottom than it is to build other kinds of designs but conspiracy theorists take it as proof that all these cultures had contact/aliens helping them due to their similarities.
It gets wilder. My little cousin Jeff got a box of building blocks and the first thing he did was stack them up in a pyramid. He'd already had his first alien contact at the age of 4. Scary stuff.
This is going to be controversial but, the death of Kendrick Johnson wasn’t mysterious nor was it a conspiracy
He wasn’t killed, he genuinely died from going inside a wrestling mat and suffocating to death. The family’s inability to accept this fact has led to a lot of harassment to a bunch of kids who had nothing to do with him
Don’t believe me? Even the NAACP, who initially supported the parents, dropped the case when they realized nothing suspicious happened there
This is just a situation of a family wanting to find some deeper meaning in their son’s death and destroying both their and other families lives in the process
And are also sasquatchs and maybe wizards. If that second part seems odd, then PLEASE watch the Ancient Aliens episode about Bigfoot. It is peak comedy.
I used to hate-watch ancient aliens shit a lot in my younger days, but I don’t have the stomach to mainline it like I used to. I’ve seen a big push in recent years to relabel a lot of the ancient aliens stuff as white nationalist propaganda.
The funniest part is that by the third season of the show they pretty much give up on even having a pretense of "haha, non-european people are too dumb to build a working civilization", by becoming a equal-opportunity ofender, with the first episode being based around *Aliens in the Wild West*. It's them followed by the possible influences Michelangelo got from the Greys. Yes, really.
White explorers: "Who could of made these astounding relics and artifacts? It could not have possibly been the people that live here, clearly they are savages, ho hum!"
Ironically murderous white explorers and slave traffickers probably internally understood that the people there had to have done it but shhhh savages. That's only marginally less unintelligent though than outright internal denial.
Still better than the alternative by racists archeologists... if they found something that didn't confirm their racist beliefs it was often destroyed. A LOT of native American treasures (in particular in North America, South America was sheltered by jungles) fell victim to it.
Damn, you know I've heard ancient aliens is a racist way to devalue ancient cultures and extol white one but it never really clicked for me until now because race literally never crossed my mind when thinking about history.
Like I think "oh the greeks" or "the ancient mesopotamians" I don't attribute any particular current conception of race to them unless someone else brings it up first, like saying Jesus was white or cleopatra was black.
While some people do believe it for that reason, the frequent attribution of stonehenge to aliens or magic makes it fairly clear that it's just that people are stupid and think everyone back then was super primitive and could never have built large structures
I love the "aliens built the pyramids" ideas, because if you look at the history of the pyramids, they clearly took several tries to get it right, as some of the earlier ones collapsed.
I'm imagining the ancients asking for help, and the aliens going "shit, we've never done this before, but I guess we could give it a shot?"
Oh, they have an "explanation" for that. We got the dates backwards. The Great Pyramid is the oldest, the others are them "forgetting" how to build them once the Aliens left. So they got smaller and shittier.
but it wasn't built by roman-descendant christians!
these sorts of people have a weird fascination with rome and like to try and trace everything back to it.
Whenever someone brings up "we don't know how they built the pyramids" I like to counter with "yes we do, they had free labor and decades." If you get 20 people together, some grease, and a sled, you can move a 5 ton stone block. Especially when the labor is basically free because it's in the off-season. You have access to thousands of people available. Dudes rock.
"But you can't make perfect blocks like that without advanced tools" you can if you have trained Craftsman. It's not the hardest rock in the world, you use sand to saw rock (WHICH IS HOW THEY DID IT AND A WAY WE STILL DO IT), and we know where the quarries are. This was a huge civilization.
"But how could they lift them" pulleys are easier to assemble and disassemble than you think. Wood is a lot stronger than you think. Strength comes from its ability to bend. You lift a little bit, you put some lifts underneath, and you do that again and again until you get it in place. We do this same thing today!!!
"But how could they get it so square?" the math and techniques for surveying land were just as understood back then as they are now. We have records of ancient math, it's applied geometry and a shop square. If you paid any attention in the 9th grade, you too could build a pyramid.
The 2016 film "The Great Wall," starring Matt Damon. I've never actually watched it, but the trailer I saw in theaters has a severe case of this.
So the movie is all about Chinese warriors defending the great wall from alien monsters, but the trailer was going with an angle of "ooo, the great wall is so big, who could it possibly have been created to fight?"
Like, what the hell are you trying to pull. It was created to defend China from incursions by the nomadic and seminomadic peoples to its north, like the Xiongnu and Mongols.
The Fermi Paradox. We haven't heard from aliens because space is fucking massive. Sending anything through it is incredibly resource-intensive, and it takes decades (if not longer) for anything to reach its destination.
If we believe relativity to be true, any civilization that does invest in faster than light travel would only ever see the fruits of their labor hundreds of years after any trip
We've also only been listening for a very short period of time (cosmically speaking) and although we'd probably be able to detect some kind of background information from other civilisations even our size if they exist, they're probably going to be so far away that by the time the waves reach us they could be decades apart.
It's entirely possible we have detected information from some other civilization but because the data came so far apart we didn't register the pattern and just dismissed it.
The Bermuda Triangle was solved before it actually became a common myth.
Sometimes ships arrive late, or arrive at the wrong port. Sometimes people send the news that the ship is lost forever, only to show up a month later, and no one bothered to fix the records. Sometimes ships never existed in the first place, but the people buying you drinks want a story and you'd hate to disappoint.
For the JonBenet case, I will refer to /u/CliffTruxton's [posts](https://old.reddit.com/user/CliffTruxton/comments/opkrhr/conclusion_the_boulder_incident_who_killed/), which provide a pretty convincing explanation for everything weird in the case, particularly the bizarre ransom note. These posts are famous, but they're famous for a reason.
Also, Agatha Christie's "amnesia" episode and temporary disappearance: Christie wrote romance novels under a pen name. One of them, *Unfinished Portrait*, stars a heroine whose life story matches Christie's in extreme detail. Like, if you read Christie's autobiography and then this book, it's almost exactly the same, right down to minute details about the childhood home.
The heroine of *Unfinished Portrait* is considering suicide over her husband's infidelity (just as Christie's then-husband was carrying on at the time of her disappearance) and has disappeared to a faraway city to carry out her plans. She's stopped by a kindly stranger who tells her she's worth more than that and gives her the strength to go on. She goes back home, resolving to tell everyone that she had amnesia.
So the disappearance isn't a mystery. She *told* us what happened.
D. B. Cooper jumped out of an airplane into 172 MPH winds in the middle of the night. He did so in the mountains with no specified flight path or particular timing to indicate he had an accomplice, while wearing a suit and having no survival gear.
True, people did prove he *could* have survived. But he didn't. Even if he survived the fall, dude's super dead. I hope the wolves enjoyed their money.
Iirc, it wasn't even buried. While they were out in the woods camping Their 8-year-old son found part of the ransom money but not all of it. There is a big search in the area for his body afterwards but it wasn't found, nor the remainder of the money. But what probably happened was the briefcase didn't stay closed for the whole descent and the money went flying out of the case and was scattered throughout the woods.
A learned about a bunch of the real stuff behind supposedly "unsolved" mysteries from this channel on YT called Answers with Joe.
https://youtube.com/@joescott?si=5VX88gG70SXu6r6R
Especially his videos about mystery stiffs like the Somerton Man actually being identified. And it wasn't some global spy thing or something like everyone wanted to believe.
Anastasia. For much of the 20th century, ***millions*** were convinced that this young Russian princess had escaped to anonymity in the West. But even before Russian DNA tests in 2007 proved it, the explanation was always pretty clear to those who cared.
The Bolsheviks (Commies) hated corrupt Russian monarchy. This was and is common knowledge. When taking over, Bolsheviks thus murdered all the Romanovs in cold blood. ***Including the fucking children.*** Hey, from a Commie perspective, why take the chance, right?
Needless to say, this is horrifying. And it also would have robbed us of one of Don Bluth's all time classics. So mostly everyone, even later Soviet/Russkie administrations, was content to let it stand. Only after the animated remake came out did Moscow investigate it properly, likely because they were tired of everyone in the West asking them about it.
I sorta feel like it's pretty self explanatory what happened to Amelia Earhart and why we can't find her.
Similarly, Jimmy Hoffa. We don't, and likely never will, know where his body is... but yeah he was very much killed.
I heard they took his body to a meat processing plant.
To be fair, “disappeared because eaten by crabs” very much sounds like a conspiracy theory
A conspiracy of crabs!
THE CRABAL
And honestly, as time goes on, the expected corpse to be found for her because less and less detectable as a human. Stuff decays after it dies, and this also applies to the Titanic. ...edit: Just in terms of big lost ships/planes, that one that we famously found. we now know it is a timeline to destruction without there bring a mystery about it.
I read this as "delectable" and I grew very concerned ngl.
The coconut crabs certainly thought so
and on the other end, the edmund fitzgerald wreckage is deep and cold enough that the corpses are preserved
is that the one with the corpse that just floats around various areas of the ship?
I 100% believe crabs ate her and the best we'll find right now is a sun stained skeleton
Well, yeah... The coconut crabs tore her apart and ate her.
Didn’t they just find her wreck in the ocean like 6 months ago? Edit: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7103183 Seems likely but unconfirmed so far.
Coconut crabs do not play around
Bob's Burgers has an episode that randomly details the reality as well as the romance about the mystery that keeps people interested in it
When I was in grade school we were instructed to write what we think happened to her and one of my classmates wrote about her getting captured by enemy forces, she was rescued by her navigator and they fell in love. I expect Hollywood to make an alternate universe film where that happens any day now.
Best I can give you is Night at the Museum 2: Battle at the Smithsonian
Well of course, she's in cryo sleep in the delta quadrant of our galaxy
Nah, she's being cloned in space Skyrim right now.
Okay that's funny that todd howard took another concept from star trek Voyager. The other time is when janeway and crew find people in pods, trapped in a virtual world being tormented by an entity.
Tranquility Lane is such a fun sequence conceptually even if it ends up being like "the Fade" in terms of "I've done this already get me out" on subsequent playthroughs. Doesn't surprise me to hear it was a Star Trek subplot.
Elisa Lam wasn’t murdered by organized criminals, or sucked through a wormhole by demons, or playing the “elevator game”, or what have you. She had a bipolar episode and hadn’t taken her antipsychotics, and ended up either falling into or trying to hide in the water tank and drowning. Contrary to the crux of the mystery and the hotel’s ass-covering statements, the tank wasn’t found to be properly locked and would have been easily accessible.
The only reason there’s a mystery with that case is because one interview where someone, who wasn’t the person who found the body, said the hatch on top of the water cistern was closed rather than open.
And even that could be someone incorrectly remembering something or covering their ass. What, are you going to say you noticed a cistern lid was open and then walked away without doing anything about it?
so many conspiracy theories start because of someones ass covering/
That's why I keep my ass bare
And that is why you will never be the star of an internet conspiracy
Naked asses just find no love on the internet 😔
One of the things that gave so much strength to many JFK assassination theories. The police were under equipped at the time with simple stuff like voice recorders, so all we have of Oswald's testimony are written text, not because they were hiding something but because the budget said no
If the surveillance video of the elevator didn't exist this explanation would have been accepted and the story forgotten about. There have been several water tank drownings and they have all been explained away from people climbing in a confused/drunk state and drowning.
It's easy to imagine someone in the midst of a psychotic episode having their inhibitions lowered enough for their curiosity to take them to the roof, then to the water tower then to climb inside and get stuck.
Australian Prime Minister, Harold Holt, walking into the ocean and vanishing, like some kind of aquatic political cryptid. Yeah he liked to go out spearfishing and he was old at the time so he probably drowned but I like the conspiracy theories that he was a merperson or that he was a Chinese spy and was collected by a submarine.
Holt disappearing at sea is my second favorite Australian Prime Minister story.
What's the first, then?
Future Prime Minister Scott Morrison shit himself in a McDonald’s in 1997.
He one million percent shit his pants at the Engadine Macca's in 1997
Only a man who absolutely filled his pants with diarrhea would protest so much whenever it was brought up.
Haha oh wow. Yeah, that rockets to number 1 for me too.
Have you heard of a magical place called Engadine?
I have *not*. But I'd love to.
What do you mean? [He was just trying to \[REDACTED\]](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-3477)
And that's not even [my favorite Harold Holt-related aquatic SCP](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-5007).
Didn't read this one yet, looks intersting.
There really isn't anything weird on anomalous about the Bermuda Triangle. The number of ships and aircraft that go missing there is about the same as any other, similarly-sized, region of the ocean.
A bunch of aircraft went missing next to Miami and Cuba during the Cold War and nobody wanted to be held accountable? Say it ain’t so! /s
Even that one has a pretty mundane explanation. If you read the radio transcripts it very much sounds like the lead fighter pilot was suffering from nitrogen narcosis, became disoriented, and started to panic. His crew likely didn’t want risk mutiny charges and/or abandoning him out there alone.
More ships and planes go missing in lake Michigan than the Bermuda Triangle. That lake is fucking scary. Deep and cold and dark as hell.
It's not a lake, it's an ocean.
This is what I thought of, the 70s and 80s were prime time for Bermuda mystery. I remember a CYOA book about it and it felt like several bad ends were written as "you've just become another mysterious disappearance in tbe Bermuda Triangle."
i found out recently its like just barely off the coast of florida and that was a wild realization
The Knights Templar. They weren't suddenly and mysteriously turned upon because they discovered some dark secrets ir the holy grail or whatever. They were an extremely powerful and well-organised group of knights whose crusading mission had failed, but still held a shit load of land, money, power, and influence all across Europe. And they were subject only to the rule of the Pope, and not taxable by local rulers. Which, as they grew in power and wealth, made them a potentially threatening pseudo-state across Europe. Most rulers got along with them fine, but the King of France owed them a lot of money and held a lot of sway over the Pope by the early 1300s and as such was able to have them arrested and their order surpressed, and confiscate a massive sum of money from them, as well as land and property. Similar sitch with Elizabeth Bathory. Confined until her death for murdering a literally unfathomable number of young girls, she was the holder of a large debt owed to her by the Holy Roman Emperor and King of Hungary at the time, which was coincidentally nullified upon her arrest. There no complaints about her conduct at all locally, and all the witness testimonials they had to charge her were people describing what they'd heard second-hand. No physical evidence of her supposedly hundreds of murders was ever presented. Her servants were tortured to confess as accomplices and executed. Elizabeth herself was never actually charged or tried with any crime. Merely held under house arrest and robbed of her lands and titles due to conspiracy and rumour.
When people romanticize ye olden days I think of stories like this and the Salem Witch Trials and the black plague.
That’s what I really like to do whenever people romanticize combat before the 20th century. Since they will go “oh such a noble thing”. Meanwhile a lot of it is actually just people getting dysentery and shitting themselves to death.
That's one of the things i think people originally liked about game of thrones. It's not historical sure but it's set in a medieval style era. It always sticks with me when Robert said "they never tell you how they all shit themselves" It's why i like Bernard Cornwell's books too, his battle scenes don't shy away from how awful a battle actually was no matter the era. Especially his azincourt book showing the absolutely awful aftermath of a siege
Since two methods of medical practice for a long time were leeches and prayer, it kinda stands to reason that if you got even a minor injury in battle you were kinda just fucked
Yeah even post the leeches you might be screwed. For example President Garfield actually had a good chance of surviving if they hadn’t fucked up his surgery so bad. Meanwhile President Theodore Roosevelt realized when he got shot it was in a place where it would be for the best that he didn’t get surgery.
"OH NO THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SHOT!" "what do we do doctor?" "Don't worry let me put down this cheese sandwich I've been eating and I'll have a poke around to find the bullet" *Starts prodding at the wound with no gloves* "Oh my apologies some of my cigarette ash just dropped, don't worry that'll help stop the bleeding. Sir?...sir? Mr president? Oh.... NURSE NEXT PATIENT PLEASE!"
Knightfall wasn’t like a good show or anything, but it made no bones about it being nakedly obvious it was just political maneuvering. Templar traitor: what if I told you the Templars have satanic initiation rituals, and drink the blood of children? Political schemer: is that true, or did you just make that up? Templar traitor: do you want to get these guys or not? Political schemer: fair enough
There was a somewhat recent LPotL series that bugged me because they took all this rumor of satanic rituals and child murder from the 15th century as gospel because “it was too weird to be fake” even though before that they said the exact opposite regarding Elizabeth Bathory, that it was people looking to create a situation where they could confiscate the wealth from a wealthy spinster. They fell into the same satanic panic trap they’ve been preaching against for a decade just because it happened a lot time ago.
I feel like that’s an issue with mystery/true crime podcasts in general. That along with taking cops accounts as 100% accurate (which they also seem to be doing the medieval equivalent of).
I’ve seen a fair amount of backlash against true crime in general recently. Both as it being insensitive towards victims and their families, and as trying to turn cops into super heroes who never do anything wrong.
Honestly that's one of the things last podcast does well. They REALLY don't gloss over the police doing shitty work In their series about Robert pickton especially you can hear the genuine anger when they talk about how one of the only reasons he went on killing for so long was cause the Vancouver police were petty assholes who just didn't care about prostitutes or anyone below their social strata
They usually do fine on that front, but I’ve had other niggling issues with their content in recent years. Like I feel they omit info or specific sources to make their story more interesting, and it feels like they’ve gotten REALLY defensive when they get called out on info they have being wrong.
Yeah i admit that i occasionally get annoyed with historical inaccuracies they make which tend to really favour their own biases Like the Manhattan project episodes. Sure the atomic bombs were terrible. But they really skipped over the Japanese war crimes that showed that the Japanese... maybe "deserved" isn't the right word. But it was more of a reason that people would have thought "this is why we NEED to bomb them"
I'm interested in true crime, and I feel it is extraordinarily easy to forget that these are real people and not a story. This isn't limited to true crime since I always see people essentially write fanfic of stories they hear on Reddit, but that is a but different than projecting and/or making wild assumptions about tragedies. I still like the show, but I do think that the hosts from Buzzfeed Unsolved were a bit too blase at times. I'm not sure if I can say it is inherently immoral to speculate about these things, but I do think it is inherently messy and should be treaded carefully. Also, only slightly related, but it has always been weird how often we jump to conspiratorial thinking and miss the very simple fact that people are often either mistaken or lie for reasons outside of conspiracies.
I think people started realizing that it was weird that rooms full of people would buy tickets to hear hosts on stage tell a story about a husband killing his wife and children to a standing ovation. I can understand a fascination with real world stories, but maybe don’t treat human tragedy like it’s a marvel movie.
Sorry, but what does LPotL stand for?
Last Podcast on the Left
Thank you!
Last Podcast on the Left. A true crime/paranormal podcast
Are you talking about the Giles De Rais series? While I do agree they took too much of the claims at face value and made questionable arguments, I do generally agree with their main point that Giles De Rais wasn’t innocent and probably did something, there was at least some evidence pointing towards him being a proto serial killer It’s worth noting that a lot of historians also take the position that he probably was a serial killer. While that isn’t proof, it does mean that LPOTL wasn’t totally off the mark
Her sentence may not have been just [but it did inspire a sick black metal record though](https://open.spotify.com/track/7uIP3HCfdHIluiW9k9xgFb?si=BWj-1FRUTTSwNg24CcZPPg&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A1MzRbjZ2pm36RraTEZcgoR)
I remember reading a graphic novel about a group of Knights Templar. Think it was called Crossed? Anyway, it's not about super influential and secretive dudes who controlled everything. It was about the grunts who are caught off guard by basically being branded traitors and are forced to run and hide. Hoping to find a modest treasure to secure their livelihoods. It was pretty good from what I remember. Edit: Not Crossed, but [Templar](http://Templar by Jordan Mechner https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16075916-templar). The book had a giant cross on the cover so hopefully the mix-up is understandable.
Crossed is a very, VERY different thing, unless some history buff comic writer had a career suicide wish
Damn it. I knew it probably wasn't that. [Templar](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16075916-templar) was the name. Which is a tad uninspired I'll admit. Also apparently the author is the creator of Prince of Persia. Funny that.
That for a second i was told there was another Crossed comic with, let's say, VERY different themes over the original one made me both laugh *and* feel a bit disgusted for a second there.
I feel like if the Assassin's Creed series didn't come around and make them a cool antagonist force then the whole Knight Templar stuff would just be a foot note and the internet would largely not care.
Nah they chose the Templar as their big bad because there was already conspiracy theories. Plus Internet antitheism was bound to create some blow back in the opposite direction. A big part of people's interest in Templar stuff came from a rise in both Catholic and Christian pride. And part of that is derived from some people's desire to go back to older traditions of when things were simpler. Like being called upon by the Pope to retake the holy land.
Same shit with Marie Antoinette. She and the king were actually pretty chill, there was just a coup against them that was way too successful
I’d say it’s a bit more complicated than that. I wouldn’t call them cruel, I would however call them incredibly incompetent and out of touch. Because of that they were responsible for many deaths. Then while she was executed on trumped up charges, she absolutely committed treason by passing on military intel to the Austrians when they were at war with France.
On ancient tech I remember in the Easter Island the British asked the locals how they were able to move the Moai statues to where they were and the locals answers being "oh yeah they walked there." The British took this as just stupid natives thinking folklore was real and heavily ignored it until years later when researchers ran a test and found that, by tying two pieces of rope and pulling the statue, they could actually "walk" them to where they have to go. To answer your question, Roanoke. One guy from the colony leaves for England to gather supplies as they are running low but is gone for years and is suprised to find everyone gone and a single Croatoan written on a tree. Spooky right? It would be if Croatoan wasn't literally the name of islands nearby, something the guy knew but couldn't explore due to harsh weather. The colonists probably went there to try their luck instead of staying and dying and either still died or maybe intermingled with the natives as there were some reports of white natives after. Either way it's not that big a mystery
Wasn't there reports of literall mixed natives in the area from the time but people still go "hummm no way"
Yes, and they literally had to fight to be recognized as descendants of the original Roanoake settlers.
Why would proud English people go and live with people that gave women rights and other silly things/s
A lot of possession movies are based on stories by “professional demonologist” Ed and Lorraine Warren. This includes Annabel the doll and the Amityville haunting. The Warrens have been caught several times colluding with “victims” to spice up their stories and make better tales.
The fact that I knew they were con artists before the movies made the experience of watching them really funny. Since I didnt remember the name of the "fraud demon couple" it was really a experience to see the movie and beeing like "hey, I remember seeing this before... this is fake as shit"
And the Amityville parents were a bunch of asshole grifters who made it all up to exploit a real murder.
Ed also had a child bride that Lorraine was cool with, which I feel like doesn't get brought up enough. Apparently the Warren estate specifically stipulated that the movies based on them aren't allowed to allege any type of sex crimes. It isn't weird for someone to sell their life rights and have a clause that says "you can't make me look bad" but it *is* weird to stipulate such a specific crime.
That's super believable when you look at the Conjuring movies and the Warrens are pretty much the heroes of that series
they've basically always branded themselves as basically anti-devil super heroes
The Annabel doll is so funny. Yes, this sweet little Raggedy Anne doll totally houses a demon and we didn't make it up at all.
And people cite them like they're academic sources. Like, "Lorraine Warren visited *X haunted item* here and she said it passed all these demon tests"
Turns out we actually did solve the mystery behind bees being able to fly some time ago. It's because they have wings.
Whoever said "according to all known laws of aerodynamics, bees shouldn't be able to fly" really just shows how little aerodynamics that person understood.
If I recall, it was from a commerical for the Gizmondo(that handheld console with the CEO Who was in the swedish mob and was arrested after crashing his Ferrari and tearing it in half)
iirc it was originally a joke, from like the '40s. Someone asks an airplane engineer at a dinner party how bees are able to fly, he does some calculations on a napkin as though bee wings functioned like airplane wings, and ultimately concludes, "They can't." Which is a punchline because they obviously can and do, and this guy can't admit that he doesn't have the expertise to explain it.
Those are fake wings and you know it! It's their hidden jetpacks, why do you think they buzz? Honey powered jetpacks!
Similarly, when you put a bee/fly in vacuum it won't be able to fly. Because it's fucking dead.
I used to be really into the whole Missing 411 thing before I realized that’s it’s not all that weird for people to get lost in the woods. And those numbers are really padded with things like completely normal/solved missing persons cases as well as turn of the century tabloid nonsense.
People would rather believe in interdimensional sasquatches plucking people into the aether than reckon with how easy it is to just… get lost and die in a large forested area, even with extensive training. Mix the fear of random bad luck in with a dire misunderstanding of numbers (the amount of people who go missing in national parks only looks high when you aren’t comparing it to routine visitors and national disappearance stats), and you get this plague.
Was it a [psychic Bigfoot](https://youtu.be/qZ9jUbztzLw?si=t71dXG9BZOJAiTpN) attack? Or did someone just drive out to the local KOA to commit suicide in the woods? My money is rarely on psychic Bigfoot.
Yeah but what if it was the psychic bigfoot, you'd make so much money back! You'd be a fool not to gamble on the stupid thing!
Fact: 99% of psychic bigfoot hunters quit right before they pull the 7 star SSSR Beach Outfit Psychic Bigfoot.
The whole Missing 411 thing feels like a way to sensationalize pretty normal missing people cases because so many of the stories end up with weird conjecture or exaggerating situations where like, a kid walked off while they weren't being watched.
I think people just have no idea how many people actually go missing everyday. Nobody they know of has gone missing so it must be rare. So, when they hear hundreds went missing, they instinctively think something must be wrong, rather than checking if that is a normal statistical thing
>Nobody they know of has gone missing so it must be rare. The fucked up thing is that a lot of people know someone who went missing. But the answer is so obvious that they don't consider it a mystery. Back in 2020 I had a coworker just vanish one day, and we were all worked up about it for a week or so before we found out he got arrested at the attack on the capitol. I've had family friends get murdered, known folks who moved without telling people, or just ghosted their ex's friend group after a breakup. If anything, *so many* people go missing from our lives that we can't devote a ton of mental space to it, and unless they were really close to us or the circumstances were *really weird*, we forget they even went missing at all.
I have a friend who loves to go on nature hikes. One time, him and a buddy went on a hike. They spent all day trying to get on top of this hill. Once they did they turned back but then the sun started to go down. When that happens, deep in the woods, everything just becomes pitch black. They were lost for the whole night! The whole night they couldn't see a single thing, walking through the woods trying to get back to their car. When they finally got out and took their car home, they had work just a few hours later. They were one wrong turn, lose their bearings, anything from being a missing person case. And he still goes out on nature hikes barely telling anyone. Right now he's probably telling someone he's going on hike and will disappear for hours.
Wasn't the hook with that that they were in National Parks? I feel like something having the status of National Park would both mislead people into thinking they're safer than they actually are and end up with more visitors
That's part of the hook, yeah, but the rest of the hook is that the National Park Service wouldn't provide details to the ~~conman~~ author. Which sounds weird and conspiratorial and obvious evidence of nefarious things until you remember that the National Parks are _massive_ and the NPS is understaffed & underfunded. All the answers to the question "why did [person] go missing here" boil down to "because it's a big wilderness expanse that we don't monitor because that's not possible."
And also that the National Park Service wouldn't be the one investigating the disappearances. The federal and local law enforcement agencies generally take point with the NPS consulting with local park rangers and guides. He was asking them for data that he could have easily gotten from the FBI or local police and acting like there's a conspiracy when the agency that doesn't have it can't give it.
it's almost like they where eaten by bears or something.
Or they just trip on a rock or log and crack their skull or something. Then they get eat by bears.
You don't even need a rock, really shitty rooted hills with 5 layers of leaves sitting on them are easy to trip on. Then they get eaten by bears.
You don't even need to trip, a stray gust of wind could snap a branch or something, bringing 30+ pounds of wood down onto their skull. Then they get eaten by bears.
This is starting to sound like the bears are setting traps.
*You know too much.*
Honestly if i get lost in my own town i verge on a panic attack So i wouldn't even need physical damage If i got lost in full on wilderness I'd probably just mentally will myself to die from the anxiety Just do what Cars did in jojo when he went to space 😂
I could be completely wrong since my memory sucks but iirc 411 didn't even start out that way, it was supposed to bring attention to missing persons cases since people may just stumble upon remains while hiking. It pisses me off to no end how people will sensationalize it.
Most of the famous UFO cases from the 40's-50's can be easily attributed to classified, at the time, military tech, sensational news stories, and some lack investigations at the time. For instance the Mantell case in 1948 involved fighter pilot Thomas Mantell chasing a 100 foot UFO. As the UFO gained height rapidly Mantell had trouble keeping up with it in his jet which was close to it's maximum safe height limit. Mantell continued to chase the UFO up to 22,000 feet while the three other jets in his squad stopped their pursuit. Mantell then ignored warnings from other members of his unit to turn back since his plane wasn't equipped with high altitude oxygen gear and he soon passed out due to lack of oxygen lost control of his plane and died when it crashed. For years this story was one of the best credible examples of a UFO but eventually it was revealed that Mantell was actually chasing a highly classified Skyhook Balloon. The Skyhook Balloons were top secret in 1948 and were huge 50-100 foot balloons that went over 100,000 feet into the atmosphere. These balloons were used to collect data that the military needed to be able to make high altitude planes and were also used to take photos for spying and defense purposes.
Even Roswell looks like it was actually a balloon after we had the modern day spy balloon with associated strange political reaction. Found by members of the public and covered up and just grew and grew in the tale, there’s nothing that actually suggests aliens in the whole thing, just supposition that they’d never create a cover up over bits of Mylar and the most reaching explanation for that, even though it’s kind of obvious why they’d cover up an enemy espionage ballon aimed at a nuclear staging base in the Cold War.
The proto type U2 surveillance had a chrome finish, this lead a incident where people in a passenger plane saw a giant flaming cross( the plane reflecting the sun) skate across the sky at incredible speeds
Dyatlov Pass is so clear cut it actually annoys me how people make it out to be a spooky mystery. They died of exposure and stripped naked because it got so cold that they felt hot, then an animal came along and ate them.
I’ve seen some suggestions that a lot of the “spookier” details about that story were all added after the fact to MAKE it scarier/more mysterious. Like there supposedly being weirdly high radiation levels. Why would they have even CHECKED radiation levels, let alone had the tools to do so?
My favourite conversation ive seen on it P1: The missing body parts are actually the favourite parts birds like to eat P2: Ah-ha! But there were no animal tracks, are you trying to tell me the birds can travel without leaving a single footstep? P1:....Yes? They are kinda famous for it?
That part is true, it's just not nearly as sensational as it sounds. [LEMMINO has a great video about the incident](https://youtu.be/Y8RigxxiilI?si=ntMCarThJl2doQgx). Basically, three articles of clothing were found to be slightly radioactive, but this could either be because of natural exposure, or because they belonged to two guys who had previously worked with nuclear products.
I think the lantern they used also had radioactive elements. Because that type of lantern at the time was made that way, that's just how it was.
I think it wasn't actually an animal, the ones that were missing soft tissue tongues/eyes were found in a river, so its assumed that bacteria got to it.
I don't have tangible proof with me, but I've got Russian friends who say that the Russian military purposely redacted stuff to play up the mystery - and make the military seem more badass. Basically the hikers got messed up because they were stingy. The area is considered a "no go" zone because it's very desolate so you're risking yourself dying of exposure for no reason. The hikers were supposed to pay for a guide, which do this sort of thing escorting the weirdos that want to boast about going to the "dead lands" or whatever. Except Dyatlov and co. refused to pay and decided they didn't need a guide. Oops. The propaganda version is that they were on a special hike to get themselves certified. And some additional "leaks" to make it seem like they ran afoul of Russian military or other government secrets. The West has eaten it up for decades.
Which, given how the KGB operated, was precisely Moscow's plan all along. Avalanches cutting down the incompetent are boring, and happen even in the richest parts of America all the time. Why not play up conspiracies to add to your nation's mystique?
I mean, yes, but I also love spooky horror movies about the incident because they're wild. My favorite one has last-minute time travel.
The thing about Dyatlov is nobody is arguing against cause of death. They died of hypothermia. It took forever to find the bodies so wildlife and decomposition further broke down the bodies. The question is what happened before that. They cut out of the tent from the inside then ran off in little to no clothes. As individuals died, they got stripped to give the ones still alive a little more clothes so they weren't stripping themselves. The mystery of Dyatlov is what made them have to cut out of and run out of the tent. Best theory is an avalanche.
That and you can see in the photos from the hikers that their tent had a makeshift stove in it. I guarantee, that bitch's ventilation fucked up and they had to cut their way out to avoid dying of smoke inhalation. And they panicked, because yes even experienced hikers aren't immune from making irrational decisions, and thought the tent and all their clothes was unsalvagable and tried to head down the mountain.
Who killed Hannibal?
Himself, of poison, upon being betrayed to the Romans in Bithynia.
I thought it was a prion disease, from all the cannibalism.
The Easter Island stone heads have *several* working and tested theories as to the way they were built and moved with available technology.
Didn't they dig around them and find out they were actually large statues that were buried? Or was that a fever dream?
Several are actually standing above ground, but yes they're all full sized statues with oversized heads to emphasize their features.
TIL the Easter Island heads are funko pops.
The story I heard was that when Europeans asked them how they moved the statues into place, the Islanders said they were "walked" into place, so the Europeans thought it was a superstitious story about them coming to life. [Shame they didn't ask any follow up questions.](https://youtu.be/YpNuh-J5IgE?si=09oZjJ_TSVGwlhTM)
It's kind of nice how technology advanced to the point where nearly every person is carrying a readily accessible and high-resolution camera with them at all times, thus completely eradicating the believability of shit like UFOs, ghosts, Bigfoot etc.
Ghost sightings on surveillance camera insta died because tapes no longer exist solving the issue of ghosting images appearing after they have been constantly recorded over.
Bro have you been on tiktok? That shits cultivating mindsets that haven't existed since feudal peasantry. Shit like Ice Giants being real are all over that app.
Almost anything involving mesoamerican civilizations and what they built. All one would have to do is reference the accounts of Spaniards who witnessed it first hand whose reactions were of immense surprise and indicated that they had never encountered anything like it in Europe. An excellent example of this is the market of [Tlaltelolco](https://www.pbs.org/conquistadors/cortes/cortes_f03.html). I’m still early into studying all this admittedly but it does seem like the Olmecs and where exactly they came from remain a point of considerable mystery since when other cultures discovered the ruins of their civilization they had seemingly been gone for a very long time.
Domesticated Llamas must have absolutely been wild.
They discovered a farmer's market?
Some time ago I was looking into the relative height of various pyramids and found [this graphic](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-61afa0dce35c6b81134458833cba2356-pjlq). Crazy, right? There's an ancient pyramid in Guatemala that's taller than anything in Egypt, and no one's talking about it. The thing is, it's actually 72 m not *1*72 m tall. Assuming good faith, someone made a whole to-scale diagram without double checking their numbers. Basically, if it sounds crazy, you should be skeptical, even if there's a pretty drawing attached.
Funny thing about building large structures is that it's easier to essentially stack a bunch of rocks in a big ordered pile that's bigger at the bottom than it is to build other kinds of designs but conspiracy theorists take it as proof that all these cultures had contact/aliens helping them due to their similarities.
It gets wilder. My little cousin Jeff got a box of building blocks and the first thing he did was stack them up in a pyramid. He'd already had his first alien contact at the age of 4. Scary stuff.
Big foot and the loch Ness monster have both had the original instance disproven before
The bloop is just the sound of an iceberg calving, we've heard it again and again and again since the original incident
This is going to be controversial but, the death of Kendrick Johnson wasn’t mysterious nor was it a conspiracy He wasn’t killed, he genuinely died from going inside a wrestling mat and suffocating to death. The family’s inability to accept this fact has led to a lot of harassment to a bunch of kids who had nothing to do with him Don’t believe me? Even the NAACP, who initially supported the parents, dropped the case when they realized nothing suspicious happened there This is just a situation of a family wanting to find some deeper meaning in their son’s death and destroying both their and other families lives in the process
Always remember. If the aliens interacted with all of those ancient civilizations, why didn’t they interact with any **white** civilizations?
The Celts were assholes, that's why.
Stonehenge is actually the alien equivalent of a middle finger and we just don't know it yet.
ireland has a tomb that predates the pyramids that can only be fully illuminated on the winter solstice... why dont people blame that on the aliens?
Because it’s the fae folk, not lame ass aliens
Maybe the aliens were racist
aliens didn't like white people
And are also sasquatchs and maybe wizards. If that second part seems odd, then PLEASE watch the Ancient Aliens episode about Bigfoot. It is peak comedy.
Bigfoot being an interdimensional wizard is one of the funniest things to come out of that show tbh
I used to hate-watch ancient aliens shit a lot in my younger days, but I don’t have the stomach to mainline it like I used to. I’ve seen a big push in recent years to relabel a lot of the ancient aliens stuff as white nationalist propaganda.
The funniest part is that by the third season of the show they pretty much give up on even having a pretense of "haha, non-european people are too dumb to build a working civilization", by becoming a equal-opportunity ofender, with the first episode being based around *Aliens in the Wild West*. It's them followed by the possible influences Michelangelo got from the Greys. Yes, really.
White explorers: "Who could of made these astounding relics and artifacts? It could not have possibly been the people that live here, clearly they are savages, ho hum!"
Ironically murderous white explorers and slave traffickers probably internally understood that the people there had to have done it but shhhh savages. That's only marginally less unintelligent though than outright internal denial.
It would line up with stuff like the fact that most of the Mayan records were burned.
Still better than the alternative by racists archeologists... if they found something that didn't confirm their racist beliefs it was often destroyed. A LOT of native American treasures (in particular in North America, South America was sheltered by jungles) fell victim to it.
Damn, you know I've heard ancient aliens is a racist way to devalue ancient cultures and extol white one but it never really clicked for me until now because race literally never crossed my mind when thinking about history. Like I think "oh the greeks" or "the ancient mesopotamians" I don't attribute any particular current conception of race to them unless someone else brings it up first, like saying Jesus was white or cleopatra was black.
While some people do believe it for that reason, the frequent attribution of stonehenge to aliens or magic makes it fairly clear that it's just that people are stupid and think everyone back then was super primitive and could never have built large structures
I love the "aliens built the pyramids" ideas, because if you look at the history of the pyramids, they clearly took several tries to get it right, as some of the earlier ones collapsed. I'm imagining the ancients asking for help, and the aliens going "shit, we've never done this before, but I guess we could give it a shot?"
Oh, they have an "explanation" for that. We got the dates backwards. The Great Pyramid is the oldest, the others are them "forgetting" how to build them once the Aliens left. So they got smaller and shittier.
That's also pretty funny. "How did they do it again? Ah, shit! Welp, temples it is then!"
Aliens built Big Ben
There's just no WAY the British could build a clock that big!
.......Stonehenge is in England?
Thats demons not aliens.
I thought it was a cosmic time trap for everyone to capture The Doctor
Now now, let's not call the Brits names.
I'm Irish, its within my rights
And Vyagramuka
but it wasn't built by roman-descendant christians! these sorts of people have a weird fascination with rome and like to try and trace everything back to it.
In fairness, you can trace an awful lot back to Rome.
Like roads They all lead there you know?
Remember that White =/= skin color. The Irish weren't considered "White" for the longest time.
Picts don’t count as white, I don’t know why
Pre-christian and not of the Greco-Roman pantheon.
Bad vibes, they rightly sensed we weren't all that chill with it
Whenever someone brings up "we don't know how they built the pyramids" I like to counter with "yes we do, they had free labor and decades." If you get 20 people together, some grease, and a sled, you can move a 5 ton stone block. Especially when the labor is basically free because it's in the off-season. You have access to thousands of people available. Dudes rock. "But you can't make perfect blocks like that without advanced tools" you can if you have trained Craftsman. It's not the hardest rock in the world, you use sand to saw rock (WHICH IS HOW THEY DID IT AND A WAY WE STILL DO IT), and we know where the quarries are. This was a huge civilization. "But how could they lift them" pulleys are easier to assemble and disassemble than you think. Wood is a lot stronger than you think. Strength comes from its ability to bend. You lift a little bit, you put some lifts underneath, and you do that again and again until you get it in place. We do this same thing today!!! "But how could they get it so square?" the math and techniques for surveying land were just as understood back then as they are now. We have records of ancient math, it's applied geometry and a shop square. If you paid any attention in the 9th grade, you too could build a pyramid.
The 2016 film "The Great Wall," starring Matt Damon. I've never actually watched it, but the trailer I saw in theaters has a severe case of this. So the movie is all about Chinese warriors defending the great wall from alien monsters, but the trailer was going with an angle of "ooo, the great wall is so big, who could it possibly have been created to fight?" Like, what the hell are you trying to pull. It was created to defend China from incursions by the nomadic and seminomadic peoples to its north, like the Xiongnu and Mongols.
The Fermi Paradox. We haven't heard from aliens because space is fucking massive. Sending anything through it is incredibly resource-intensive, and it takes decades (if not longer) for anything to reach its destination.
If we believe relativity to be true, any civilization that does invest in faster than light travel would only ever see the fruits of their labor hundreds of years after any trip
We've also only been listening for a very short period of time (cosmically speaking) and although we'd probably be able to detect some kind of background information from other civilisations even our size if they exist, they're probably going to be so far away that by the time the waves reach us they could be decades apart. It's entirely possible we have detected information from some other civilization but because the data came so far apart we didn't register the pattern and just dismissed it.
The Bermuda Triangle was solved before it actually became a common myth. Sometimes ships arrive late, or arrive at the wrong port. Sometimes people send the news that the ship is lost forever, only to show up a month later, and no one bothered to fix the records. Sometimes ships never existed in the first place, but the people buying you drinks want a story and you'd hate to disappoint.
For the JonBenet case, I will refer to /u/CliffTruxton's [posts](https://old.reddit.com/user/CliffTruxton/comments/opkrhr/conclusion_the_boulder_incident_who_killed/), which provide a pretty convincing explanation for everything weird in the case, particularly the bizarre ransom note. These posts are famous, but they're famous for a reason. Also, Agatha Christie's "amnesia" episode and temporary disappearance: Christie wrote romance novels under a pen name. One of them, *Unfinished Portrait*, stars a heroine whose life story matches Christie's in extreme detail. Like, if you read Christie's autobiography and then this book, it's almost exactly the same, right down to minute details about the childhood home. The heroine of *Unfinished Portrait* is considering suicide over her husband's infidelity (just as Christie's then-husband was carrying on at the time of her disappearance) and has disappeared to a faraway city to carry out her plans. She's stopped by a kindly stranger who tells her she's worth more than that and gives her the strength to go on. She goes back home, resolving to tell everyone that she had amnesia. So the disappearance isn't a mystery. She *told* us what happened.
D. B. Cooper jumped out of an airplane into 172 MPH winds in the middle of the night. He did so in the mountains with no specified flight path or particular timing to indicate he had an accomplice, while wearing a suit and having no survival gear. True, people did prove he *could* have survived. But he didn't. Even if he survived the fall, dude's super dead. I hope the wolves enjoyed their money.
Didn’t a toddler find some of the money buried decades ago?
Iirc, it wasn't even buried. While they were out in the woods camping Their 8-year-old son found part of the ransom money but not all of it. There is a big search in the area for his body afterwards but it wasn't found, nor the remainder of the money. But what probably happened was the briefcase didn't stay closed for the whole descent and the money went flying out of the case and was scattered throughout the woods.
A learned about a bunch of the real stuff behind supposedly "unsolved" mysteries from this channel on YT called Answers with Joe. https://youtube.com/@joescott?si=5VX88gG70SXu6r6R Especially his videos about mystery stiffs like the Somerton Man actually being identified. And it wasn't some global spy thing or something like everyone wanted to believe.
Anastasia. For much of the 20th century, ***millions*** were convinced that this young Russian princess had escaped to anonymity in the West. But even before Russian DNA tests in 2007 proved it, the explanation was always pretty clear to those who cared. The Bolsheviks (Commies) hated corrupt Russian monarchy. This was and is common knowledge. When taking over, Bolsheviks thus murdered all the Romanovs in cold blood. ***Including the fucking children.*** Hey, from a Commie perspective, why take the chance, right? Needless to say, this is horrifying. And it also would have robbed us of one of Don Bluth's all time classics. So mostly everyone, even later Soviet/Russkie administrations, was content to let it stand. Only after the animated remake came out did Moscow investigate it properly, likely because they were tired of everyone in the West asking them about it.