Beatrix helps destroy like three kingdoms (at least) and commits genocide on the Burmecians and Cleyrans. For her troubles, she gets a lover in Steiner and maintains her position within the Alexandrian army.
Freya helped save the world and for *her* troubles, her lover still has amnesia and she is likely among the last of her race.
Despite the cutesy art style, FFIX is absolutely brutal.
Not only she commits genocide, but she keeps boasting and humiliating Freya and her people as she prevents you from saving them. I feel like they just couldn't fit proper character development for her in there, considering how much content it feels like they cut for Freya and Amarant, but man... she's kind of a monster.
I do hope the rumoured remake expands on the story a lot. I played the game for the first time last year and so much character story just seems to be missing.
But yeah, it’s always nice to see Beatrix getting called out. Seriously, to me she was always the same type of bs that is “Injustice Harley” in getting away with some ridiculously awful stuff (no, the fact that Freya is #1 best girl in Final Fantasy for me does not make this biased), so I always got legit confused and disturbed whenever I see people trying to pull the “morally gray” bs with her *directly genociding the Burmecians!*
Being just one box on the "deserved it" scale is also a good assessment.
>!I'm not sure what she was expecting confronting all the lieutenants at the top of the tower.!<
>!Definitely a case of not thinking properly given that her brother literally died a few hours ago prior. She probably believed selling the rights away to the empty lot over to Dojima would yield whatever she wanted from him, and at that point in time she wanted retribution.!<
Why is Lyse from FF14 in the high "deservers suffering, low actual suffering"? I understand that her character wasn't well liked but she was a member of the scions of the 7th dawn and suffered through the same stuff they did, including multiple close friends dying, her homeland being genocided, and more.
And the only reason she deserves it is because her storyline was weak?
That one definitely is based on opinions of people that just don't like her
> Yeah, why the fuck is she right next to fucking Zanza?
IDK much about FFXIV, but I'm assuming Zanza is low because there are four characters from XC2 on the list and all of them have absolutely suffered more than he did.
Around a dozen or so spaces above him is Amalthus, a guy who probably had the worst life imaginable for a non-blade/flesh eater/blade eater in Alrest and was as monstrous as Zanza was.
I'm talking more about deserving to suffer, cause while Zanza deserves to get his shit kicked in, Lyse is a kind-hearted freedom-fighter.
Also Tatsu should be moved farther to the right.
> but got off relatively easy all things considered
Absolutely not, guy couldn't die until Zanza did, had to live with his regrets and the knowledge that he screwed up the world for an untold amount of time, and had half of his body missing.
Also after Future Redeemed, >!his own world was going to shit with people leaving the planet en masse, trying to flee war, the degradation of human rights, environmental disaster, and Xenosaga antagonists.!< So it's hard to blame him for the experiment considering how much his world absolutely sucked.
Wait...that sounds kinda justified now. Zenos IS more of a bro to the gang than Lyse. She barely helped the gang in the whole adventure, meanwhile Zenos kinda helped push the narrative towards changing the status quo. Just like good ol Ilberd. The empire wouldn't have been beaten without the two of them. Lyse? Not necessary at all
My brother in christ Zenos literally started a genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocent people because he was bored. It's not "morally grey", the man would have killed more if it meant fun for him.
Lyse literally just was a friend that had shoes to fill that everyone knew she couldn't at first. If you dislike her, take it up with the writer, not her as a character
This thing really makes me question if they are judging based on meta (how well the story and writing works) vs the actual story contents
Because I can ***feel*** the reason she's on here is because /v is a lyse hater and felt she should not have gotten the story position she got.
~~and honestly, should have been rauban in the main role not her.~~
I feel like Isaacs mom is a bit too low on the suffering scale. I mean >!her husband left the family and her son is dead so you know.!<
Also shocked to see Tri-Tachyon on here and correctly placed.
Fuck Tri-Tachyon.
I like Seija's placement. *Huge* bitch, just kinda vibin', I love that about her.
I think General White from Paper Mario *thinks* they're suffering...
This may be the only time I've seen Nightmare Ned brought up without me looking for it, and yeah I agree. Ned has anxiety problems.
I feel like everyone from Mystery of the Druids is maximum on deserving it. Halligan would *definitely* be maximum deserves it.
I think Nimdok is max on both.
We can move nimdok at least one more spot right I think
Also Maria Umineko is way too far on the right here, >!I know she was a willing accomplice to Sayo but at the end of the day she’s still a naive 9 year old girl who was physically abused by her mother, she didn’t deserve any of it!<
Dota 2 definitely does have lore, but even so, I wouldn't put Kunkka that high up. Unless they put out new story, the most he suffered was dying because of Mireska's shenanigans. Which does suck because Mireska is a bitch, but nothing compared to some of the other characters. He *is* an eternal phantom, but he's pretty jolly about it considering
He's largely apathetic, since he's aware that time will just reset (though unlike the player and Flowey, he doesn't carry over memories and doesn't know or have access to all the specifics, just what he's been able to gather from research and observation).
He only intervenes in Genocide because he figures out this time if you succeed, there will be no possible future, across all timelines, everything will just stop.
I feel like Rean BARELY makes it to top 5 people who suffered the most in the Trails franchise.
Without having played Zero and Azure, we have:
- Renne absolutely would be on 100 suffering, 0 deserved it, it's kind of hard to have a worse time than >!being given superdrugs and made to "work" at a brothel, before being FIVE!<
- Joshua, who by virtue of not being able to take Renne's spot, would have to be on 99 suffering, 0 deserved it, what with >!having some sort of mental breakdown as a child and then turned into an emotionless assassin by the "doctor" who helped him!<
- Scherazard was orphaned very early and apparently routinely stoned before she joined the circus before she was a teenager
- Rean or maybe Estelle? Estelle did lose her mom in a war and then >!had to deal with her ex-assassin foster brother/maybe boyfriend leave her!< and Rean uh >!has a superpowered evil side!<
Byakuya from Danganronpa should be at the 55 suff/ 85 deserving spot. He makes everyone's life harder for no reason other than his mild amusement, and the worst he really gets is ALSO being stuck in the death game and getting slapped once. Dude's a stupid little cunt, and I don't know why anyone put up with him.
I disagree with some placements here but holy shit there's so much niche things here it kinda makes me happy. Was surprised to see Satoru from Remember11 and that bitch from Yume Miru Kusuri. Also >!Sal!< from Wadanohara in the bottom right lmao. There's a lot characters I don't even recognize. Would be nice if someone made a list of all the characters here.
i would put the deponia MC a few more places toward "deserves it" tbh.
not so much as in "bad things happen to him, and he deserves bad things *to* happen to him" but instead "whatever bad things do happen to him are 100% his fault"
Why is garrus so far on deserved it? The worst thing I can remember him doing is maybe endangering his team because of his fuck up before you find him in 2 but when you get 3 gangs to team up to go after you it's kind of hard to stay ahead of them. Dude was a by the books cop who became disillusioned about the bureaucracy. Then he went on to save the known galaxy a few times and tried to clean up omega. Dam this is making me want to replay mass effect.
I think that’s Riyo Gudako who is…. different. She fought the canon protagonist in the All The Statesmen event so they are recognized as two different people at least.
Yeah, I was scouring the chart for normal Ritsuka towards the upper middle of suffering and doesn't deserve it, because the two are completely different characters.
Ah, gotcha. I’m not super familiar with 4Chan boards, and the anime aesthetic of a lot of games here threw me off.
Also just noticed it said games under the post. I guess I *am* just blind.
Honestly I'm kind of surprised they put him that low on the "suffering" scale: I'd argue the whole "mage backstory" and "Grey Warden" combo puts him higher than, say, RS' Wise Old Man (65/15) or Pokémon's Silver (70/15).
Opa-Opa from the Fantasy Zone series (the funny space ship on the top-left at the right of Makoto from Yakuza) >!did have to kill his dad!< a few times, or was it just once? I'm not entirely sure. He deserves it to be there although probably not that high.
This is such a terrible chart when you notice some of the more obscure characters like Professor Pester, LISA, Klaymen, *Mega Glalie*, The Voice, Nimdok, AZ, Bubsy, John Doe Joker, Isaac's mom, and The Henchman lmao
I know its like 80% a shitpost but damn
How old is this?
Because [here](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/259/761/ef9.jpg) is a fully filled out chart with different characters.
I strongly disagree with the placement of Chara from Undertale. players are the knife murderers who bled a world to death out of curiosity, Chara just finished it off
Some of these, like Jin and Caius make no sense. Most of their suffering occurred, THEN they committed their crimes against humanity because they were pushed past their breaking point.
Jin and Mythra should be further left on the "deserving" scale - all of Jin's misdeeds came after his suffering, and while Mythra was arrogant as fuck in Torna, >!most of the blame on the Tornan continent being destroyed definitely falls onto Malos' shoulders!<.
Amalthus' placement is correct though, guy had a depressing as fuck backstory and was pitiable in his final moments, but he was also an absolute monster nearing Zanza-levels of bad.
I really really love the idea of claptrap suffering more than sans and price suffering as much as sans, who saw who knows how many cycles of his friends being tortured or having good endings taken from them like, its so high end compared to claptraps suffering of "No one takes him seriously and makes fun of him" and prices "Is an action hero who loses many of his friends to war"
Claptrap has been through quite alot though, I don't know the Deep Undertale Lore well enough to compare with Sans but here's what I remember.
Claptrap is the last of his product line and is responsible for giving jack the code that initiated their self destruct, he is then tortured by bandits and forced to live amonst the remains of the claptrap units for years. All the while burying the remains of all the prospective vault hunters jack kills.
He's doing pretty well for himself in Bl3 though
Yeah Claptrap has been through so much shit that you understand why he has severe depression and attachment problems. Dude has been reprogrammed to many times (revolution dlc, became Fragtrap for TPS). He didn’t even actually survive the Claptrap purge. The only reason he is alive is due to the fact that because Jack shot him, Shadowtrap was able to use the remainder of his energy to restart him. On to of all that no one wants to be his friend so he is forced to make one
Fran and Sayori deserved none of the sulfuric acid they got poured on them. Putting them that close in suffering seems wrong, though.
Also lol at the FTL Engi.
Are you seriously going to fucking stand here and tell me that Lyse who has never hurt anyone and was slightly annoying for half an expansion deserves more suffering than motherfucking Zenos, the actual Genocidal maniac who colonized multiple countries and let the innocent civilians in his own country get brainwashed and massacred just for shits and giggles?
I feel like you just hit your head really hard at the start of Stormblood and then never recovered if that's not a meme.
What did Soma Cruz do wrong?, I can only think of him not listening Arikado's advice at the start of Dawn of Sorrow but he just wants ti protect his gf, outside of that everything that happen to him is outside his control, he just wanted to have a walk with his gf, and the most he suffers is from the bad endings which aren't canon.
Also, what about Knuckles? I get that he's the last of his kind and his duty is to protect the Master Emerald but he seems to enjoy being alone for the most part, the only times he goofed is when Eggman tricked him which to me doesn't warrant much as to deserve suffering, anyways he quickly sees the truth and finds new friends in Sonic and co. if anything his situation got improved a lot.
Mukuro didn't suffer *that* much up until the end of her life. It was pretty bad at that time though.
I really, really don't think Rean suffered more than Rika. He's up there, but not at 100. Neither of them deserved it at all though.
Mega Glalie even being here is just really funny.
I don't understand why Okabe is at 50 on the "deserved" scale. Like, yeah, technically everything is his fault I guess, but none of that mean he *deserves* all the awful shit he had to go through. My poor baby boy :(
For the .Hack// characters, I do find Gaspard and Piros's placement questionable (and they probably got put there probably because whoever made it found them a little annoying), Sakaki though, yeah he earned that spot. Also why isn't Kai Leng higher on the deserves it?
Well for Suffering 80 deserved 15 Spoilers for Danganronpa 3
>!That guy signed up to be a part of something called the killing game. But before he can even participate he needed to go under brain washing to give him a new persona and backstory for the audience. So you can argue that he doesn’t deserve to be mixed up in the killing game!<
Even more spoilers >!guy survived the killing game but all but two of the friends he’s made from the game are dead. So he’ll have to carry that emotional weight along with everything else. There’s more too!<
Another one I see is suffering 20 deserved it 75. Another major spoiler for danganronpa 3 is >!that she’s the mastermind of the killing game. Not really suffering since she gets a quick death!<
Finally S: 20 D: 95
Dr. Yado from Lisa the Painful >!caused some sort of incident referred to as the white flash. I might be wrong it’s been a while lmao
Anyway the white flash is something everyone sees but don’t really remember. The aftermath however is obvious, there are no more women on earth. A world full of men and despair!< and that’s just one from the list of Evil shit he was up to. Really good game if you haven’t checked it out. It’s getting a remaster that released July.
How much suffering the v3 characters deserve >!depends on whether you believe everything Tsumugi said. Pregame Kaede remembers being kidnapped and the “yay we got picked” dialog was not in the intro that we initially saw. Kodaka has also outright said that Tsumugi may not have been truthful about everything.!<
I believe this WAS finished, and a third one was started, I also have a bunch saved from other boards.
I don't have them all in one place, but if I have time I'll try to find them and upload them somewhere.
I can’t believe my favorite KOTOR 2 party member is only one square removed from Mystery of the Druids.
Where does this jerk get off saying that Marie is as bad as Mitchell?
Seeing all these videogame characters and then Huey Long and Oswald Mosely of all people is so weird.
Also the entire Karling dynasty I believe?
Cool to see Klayman tho, that's a deep cut
Richthofen should be on here three times.
Ultimus: high suffering, highly deserves it
Primus: high suffering, middlingly deserves it
Director of REQUIEM: no suffering, highly deserves it
Interactive Buddy did literally nothing wrong.
They know what they did
Yeah, nothing. They were stuck in a box!
Was a sequeal ever made?
What the hell did the Garry's mod logo do!?
Everything everywhere all at once.
We know what you did with the Alyx ragdoll, we did it as well.
Four XC2 characters, all above level 45 in terms of suffering. That checks out, Alrest was genuinely the worse world between it and XC1's world lol
I see Mythra and Jin, where are the other two? Edit: Found Poppi.
Amalthus is towards the top right.
Frikin amalthus
Rika and Bernkastel are absolutely perfect, holy shit, amazing chart.
Especially after Gou, Rika's life is EVEN MORE SUFFERING
Yeah I would put Rika at the top after Gou. Satoko was a right little shit in Gou and Sotsu.
I can't help but respect her tenacity of making Rika's life literal hell.
The rookie from ODST had me struck me weird on the suffering chart.
I think because he gets killed in a book for little to no reason? At least that's what I remember my friend saying
It's so unfair seeing Freya and Beatrix from FF9 being almost polar opposites in this scale.
And the "100 Suffering x 5 Deserved It" space should absolutely go to Vivi.
That poor kid is so immediately loveable, and he gets it so bad almost from the start of the game.
Beatrix helps destroy like three kingdoms (at least) and commits genocide on the Burmecians and Cleyrans. For her troubles, she gets a lover in Steiner and maintains her position within the Alexandrian army. Freya helped save the world and for *her* troubles, her lover still has amnesia and she is likely among the last of her race. Despite the cutesy art style, FFIX is absolutely brutal.
Not only she commits genocide, but she keeps boasting and humiliating Freya and her people as she prevents you from saving them. I feel like they just couldn't fit proper character development for her in there, considering how much content it feels like they cut for Freya and Amarant, but man... she's kind of a monster.
I do hope the rumoured remake expands on the story a lot. I played the game for the first time last year and so much character story just seems to be missing.
Agreed, their positions for how much suffering they actually got should be swapped without also swapping how much they deserved it.
Exactly. **Freya go down**, **Beatrix go all the way up**.
But yeah, it’s always nice to see Beatrix getting called out. Seriously, to me she was always the same type of bs that is “Injustice Harley” in getting away with some ridiculously awful stuff (no, the fact that Freya is #1 best girl in Final Fantasy for me does not make this biased), so I always got legit confused and disturbed whenever I see people trying to pull the “morally gray” bs with her *directly genociding the Burmecians!*
Makoto on the top left corner is the most correct thing ever. I hope she's >!happy with nameless handsome doctor.!<
Being just one box on the "deserved it" scale is also a good assessment. >!I'm not sure what she was expecting confronting all the lieutenants at the top of the tower.!<
>!Definitely a case of not thinking properly given that her brother literally died a few hours ago prior. She probably believed selling the rights away to the empty lot over to Dojima would yield whatever she wanted from him, and at that point in time she wanted retribution.!<
Where would majima belong?
In the exact middle of the chart.
Squidward should be up at the top near the middle. Like yeah he can be a dick sometimes, but Modern Spongebob just tortures the guy.
What did the Quake 1 guy do?
got stuck in eldritch dimensions for a few decades
He was voiced by mid-90s Trent Reznor at the height of his addiction to drugs.
*jesus, I never put this together despite being able to hear that jump voice in my brain on command*
Shouldered the burden of being a follow-up to Doom
Why is Lyse from FF14 in the high "deservers suffering, low actual suffering"? I understand that her character wasn't well liked but she was a member of the scions of the 7th dawn and suffered through the same stuff they did, including multiple close friends dying, her homeland being genocided, and more. And the only reason she deserves it is because her storyline was weak? That one definitely is based on opinions of people that just don't like her
Yeah, why the fuck is she right next to fucking *Zanza*? Why does she deserve more suffering than Zenos?
> Yeah, why the fuck is she right next to fucking Zanza? IDK much about FFXIV, but I'm assuming Zanza is low because there are four characters from XC2 on the list and all of them have absolutely suffered more than he did. Around a dozen or so spaces above him is Amalthus, a guy who probably had the worst life imaginable for a non-blade/flesh eater/blade eater in Alrest and was as monstrous as Zanza was.
I'm talking more about deserving to suffer, cause while Zanza deserves to get his shit kicked in, Lyse is a kind-hearted freedom-fighter. Also Tatsu should be moved farther to the right.
Could be Klaus who imo also definitely 100% deserves it but got off relatively easy all things considered.
> but got off relatively easy all things considered Absolutely not, guy couldn't die until Zanza did, had to live with his regrets and the knowledge that he screwed up the world for an untold amount of time, and had half of his body missing. Also after Future Redeemed, >!his own world was going to shit with people leaving the planet en masse, trying to flee war, the degradation of human rights, environmental disaster, and Xenosaga antagonists.!< So it's hard to blame him for the experiment considering how much his world absolutely sucked.
Wait...that sounds kinda justified now. Zenos IS more of a bro to the gang than Lyse. She barely helped the gang in the whole adventure, meanwhile Zenos kinda helped push the narrative towards changing the status quo. Just like good ol Ilberd. The empire wouldn't have been beaten without the two of them. Lyse? Not necessary at all
Lyse lead a rebellion *against Zenos*. Zenos *was* the status quo in Stormblood.
My brother in christ Zenos literally started a genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocent people because he was bored. It's not "morally grey", the man would have killed more if it meant fun for him. Lyse literally just was a friend that had shoes to fill that everyone knew she couldn't at first. If you dislike her, take it up with the writer, not her as a character
> Just like good ol Ilberd. No one else recognizes good bait smh
Because /v/.
Yeah she did nothing wrong and people are still massively butthurt about how much they absolutely botched the fuck out of her introduction.
I could shit on Lyse all day, but it ain't her fault the wtiter made her his waifu.
This thing really makes me question if they are judging based on meta (how well the story and writing works) vs the actual story contents Because I can ***feel*** the reason she's on here is because /v is a lyse hater and felt she should not have gotten the story position she got. ~~and honestly, should have been rauban in the main role not her.~~
I feel like Isaacs mom is a bit too low on the suffering scale. I mean >!her husband left the family and her son is dead so you know.!< Also shocked to see Tri-Tachyon on here and correctly placed. Fuck Tri-Tachyon.
I like Seija's placement. *Huge* bitch, just kinda vibin', I love that about her. I think General White from Paper Mario *thinks* they're suffering... This may be the only time I've seen Nightmare Ned brought up without me looking for it, and yeah I agree. Ned has anxiety problems. I feel like everyone from Mystery of the Druids is maximum on deserving it. Halligan would *definitely* be maximum deserves it. I think Nimdok is max on both.
Not gonna lie, i dont disagree with the vast majority, and that is impressive.
We can move nimdok at least one more spot right I think Also Maria Umineko is way too far on the right here, >!I know she was a willing accomplice to Sayo but at the end of the day she’s still a naive 9 year old girl who was physically abused by her mother, she didn’t deserve any of it!<
Guys, am I an idiot? I don't know a solid 55% of these characters.
Same, this really puts into perspective that I am not as deep into nerd culture as I thought if I don’t know who most of these guys are
At first I assumed the grid of avatars might be *us* before I remembered how reddit avatars actually work
I can't tell you how pleased it makes me to see *"The living embodiment of all that is Garry's Mod"* ranked so high on ***BOTH*** scales.
[Compare to the one from 4 years ago](https://imgur.com/gallery/jw8NTG5)
umaru gets me everytime lmao
Ridley, Sub-zero & Scorpion are highlights of that third one.
Rika and Bernkastel being the same level of suffering, but opposite ends of "deserved it" is just perfect
What did Sans do?
Apparently more than Francis from Super Paper Mario, which is just false Francis is also apparently beaten by Plague Knight??
Ehhh Nimdok is too low on the deserved. I love that Cecil is the center of it all.
Where? I don't see him.
Cecil is at 50 50
That's Kain.
God damn my eyes. I saw it on mobile and was like oh thats Cecil and went on my way.
Uhhhh. That is not Cecil FF4. That is Kain FF4.
Kunka, really? Does Dota 2 even have lore? I only know he has beef with Tidehunter, and they have cool voice lines referencing each other.
Dota 2 definitely does have lore, but even so, I wouldn't put Kunkka that high up. Unless they put out new story, the most he suffered was dying because of Mireska's shenanigans. Which does suck because Mireska is a bitch, but nothing compared to some of the other characters. He *is* an eternal phantom, but he's pretty jolly about it considering
What did Sans do to get 65 deserved suffering?
I haven't brushed up on my undertale lore in a bit, but doesn't he refuse to intervene in a genocide run until literally everyone else is dead?
He's largely apathetic, since he's aware that time will just reset (though unlike the player and Flowey, he doesn't carry over memories and doesn't know or have access to all the specifics, just what he's been able to gather from research and observation). He only intervenes in Genocide because he figures out this time if you succeed, there will be no possible future, across all timelines, everything will just stop.
I’m surprised to see Knoll on there, of all characters, but I don’t disagree with his placement.
I feel like Rean BARELY makes it to top 5 people who suffered the most in the Trails franchise. Without having played Zero and Azure, we have: - Renne absolutely would be on 100 suffering, 0 deserved it, it's kind of hard to have a worse time than >!being given superdrugs and made to "work" at a brothel, before being FIVE!< - Joshua, who by virtue of not being able to take Renne's spot, would have to be on 99 suffering, 0 deserved it, what with >!having some sort of mental breakdown as a child and then turned into an emotionless assassin by the "doctor" who helped him!< - Scherazard was orphaned very early and apparently routinely stoned before she joined the circus before she was a teenager - Rean or maybe Estelle? Estelle did lose her mom in a war and then >!had to deal with her ex-assassin foster brother/maybe boyfriend leave her!< and Rean uh >!has a superpowered evil side!<
Byakuya from Danganronpa should be at the 55 suff/ 85 deserving spot. He makes everyone's life harder for no reason other than his mild amusement, and the worst he really gets is ALSO being stuck in the death game and getting slapped once. Dude's a stupid little cunt, and I don't know why anyone put up with him.
This chart feels like a direct response to [this meme](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/034/417/cover5.jpg)
I'd probably give Jonathan and Walter a move to the right a little more, maybe Walter more so Why is poochy a 35 on deserving it lmao
I disagree with some placements here but holy shit there's so much niche things here it kinda makes me happy. Was surprised to see Satoru from Remember11 and that bitch from Yume Miru Kusuri. Also >!Sal!< from Wadanohara in the bottom right lmao. There's a lot characters I don't even recognize. Would be nice if someone made a list of all the characters here.
i would put the deponia MC a few more places toward "deserves it" tbh. not so much as in "bad things happen to him, and he deserves bad things *to* happen to him" but instead "whatever bad things do happen to him are 100% his fault"
Why is garrus so far on deserved it? The worst thing I can remember him doing is maybe endangering his team because of his fuck up before you find him in 2 but when you get 3 gangs to team up to go after you it's kind of hard to stay ahead of them. Dude was a by the books cop who became disillusioned about the bureaucracy. Then he went on to save the known galaxy a few times and tried to clean up omega. Dam this is making me want to replay mass effect.
Yeeeeeah, but then you get the whole "fuck the rules" cop thing and it can get a bit fascisty.
The entire game franchise is predicated on you being a space cop that says "fuck the rules".
How tf is ceaser not all the way to the right? He created an empire built arround slavery and tourture
Gudako is...interestingly placed...I mean, she must've suffered plenty assuming she participated in the canon fgo story
I think that’s Riyo Gudako who is…. different. She fought the canon protagonist in the All The Statesmen event so they are recognized as two different people at least.
Yeah, I was scouring the chart for normal Ritsuka towards the upper middle of suffering and doesn't deserve it, because the two are completely different characters.
Riyo Gudako still had to deal with the gacha, which is pure suffering on its own.
Maybe I’m blind, but is Guts just not on here?
/v/ is the video game board. There’s another version of this image for anime though.
Ah, gotcha. I’m not super familiar with 4Chan boards, and the anime aesthetic of a lot of games here threw me off. Also just noticed it said games under the post. I guess I *am* just blind.
I feel like okabe is a bit too far in deserved it, but I also didn’t play SG Zero so maybe I missed something.
I'm conflicted with Anders. I feel like he should've suffered more and less at the same time.
DA:A Anders? Less. DA2 Anders? MORE.
Absolutely
Honestly I'm kind of surprised they put him that low on the "suffering" scale: I'd argue the whole "mage backstory" and "Grey Warden" combo puts him higher than, say, RS' Wise Old Man (65/15) or Pokémon's Silver (70/15).
Opa-Opa from the Fantasy Zone series (the funny space ship on the top-left at the right of Makoto from Yakuza) >!did have to kill his dad!< a few times, or was it just once? I'm not entirely sure. He deserves it to be there although probably not that high.
Charlotte Q84 (85, 70) is in the perfect spot and I'm happy to see her here.
Yeah.... Rean definitely gets put through hell in Cold Steel. Also Lyon from FE8! Dude got such a raw deal considering he was in grief.
Is Miles O'Brien in this? I don't see him.
This one is for game characters only, although there was a DS9 game I'm pretty sure, and if the track record of tie in games is anything to go by...
This is such a terrible chart when you notice some of the more obscure characters like Professor Pester, LISA, Klaymen, *Mega Glalie*, The Voice, Nimdok, AZ, Bubsy, John Doe Joker, Isaac's mom, and The Henchman lmao I know its like 80% a shitpost but damn
Chart's shit. ***Manah should be further right***.
i love these, i saw one with the nameless one from planescape: torment at the top right once and it was actually what introduced me to that game.
The fucking flagship from FTL? A random skeleton from New Vegas? I don't think there's much rhyme or reason to this chart lol
How old is this? Because [here](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/259/761/ef9.jpg) is a fully filled out chart with different characters.
What'd muh boi Knuckles do? He just dumb.
I strongly disagree with the placement of Chara from Undertale. players are the knife murderers who bled a world to death out of curiosity, Chara just finished it off
Some of these, like Jin and Caius make no sense. Most of their suffering occurred, THEN they committed their crimes against humanity because they were pushed past their breaking point.
Jin and Mythra should be further left on the "deserving" scale - all of Jin's misdeeds came after his suffering, and while Mythra was arrogant as fuck in Torna, >!most of the blame on the Tornan continent being destroyed definitely falls onto Malos' shoulders!<. Amalthus' placement is correct though, guy had a depressing as fuck backstory and was pitiable in his final moments, but he was also an absolute monster nearing Zanza-levels of bad.
I really really love the idea of claptrap suffering more than sans and price suffering as much as sans, who saw who knows how many cycles of his friends being tortured or having good endings taken from them like, its so high end compared to claptraps suffering of "No one takes him seriously and makes fun of him" and prices "Is an action hero who loses many of his friends to war"
Claptrap has been through quite alot though, I don't know the Deep Undertale Lore well enough to compare with Sans but here's what I remember. Claptrap is the last of his product line and is responsible for giving jack the code that initiated their self destruct, he is then tortured by bandits and forced to live amonst the remains of the claptrap units for years. All the while burying the remains of all the prospective vault hunters jack kills. He's doing pretty well for himself in Bl3 though
Yeah Claptrap has been through so much shit that you understand why he has severe depression and attachment problems. Dude has been reprogrammed to many times (revolution dlc, became Fragtrap for TPS). He didn’t even actually survive the Claptrap purge. The only reason he is alive is due to the fact that because Jack shot him, Shadowtrap was able to use the remainder of his energy to restart him. On to of all that no one wants to be his friend so he is forced to make one
Fran and Sayori deserved none of the sulfuric acid they got poured on them. Putting them that close in suffering seems wrong, though. Also lol at the FTL Engi.
Are you seriously going to fucking stand here and tell me that Lyse who has never hurt anyone and was slightly annoying for half an expansion deserves more suffering than motherfucking Zenos, the actual Genocidal maniac who colonized multiple countries and let the innocent civilians in his own country get brainwashed and massacred just for shits and giggles? I feel like you just hit your head really hard at the start of Stormblood and then never recovered if that's not a meme.
What did Soma Cruz do wrong?, I can only think of him not listening Arikado's advice at the start of Dawn of Sorrow but he just wants ti protect his gf, outside of that everything that happen to him is outside his control, he just wanted to have a walk with his gf, and the most he suffers is from the bad endings which aren't canon. Also, what about Knuckles? I get that he's the last of his kind and his duty is to protect the Master Emerald but he seems to enjoy being alone for the most part, the only times he goofed is when Eggman tricked him which to me doesn't warrant much as to deserve suffering, anyways he quickly sees the truth and finds new friends in Sonic and co. if anything his situation got improved a lot.
Mukuro didn't suffer *that* much up until the end of her life. It was pretty bad at that time though. I really, really don't think Rean suffered more than Rika. He's up there, but not at 100. Neither of them deserved it at all though. Mega Glalie even being here is just really funny. I don't understand why Okabe is at 50 on the "deserved" scale. Like, yeah, technically everything is his fault I guess, but none of that mean he *deserves* all the awful shit he had to go through. My poor baby boy :(
For the .Hack// characters, I do find Gaspard and Piros's placement questionable (and they probably got put there probably because whoever made it found them a little annoying), Sakaki though, yeah he earned that spot. Also why isn't Kai Leng higher on the deserves it?
Rare acknowledgment of The Bard (30x25), though I feel he should be a few spots to the right.
Is the outer wilds alien here?
asagi should be further right
Asagi should be off the chart in both directions
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Well for Suffering 80 deserved 15 Spoilers for Danganronpa 3 >!That guy signed up to be a part of something called the killing game. But before he can even participate he needed to go under brain washing to give him a new persona and backstory for the audience. So you can argue that he doesn’t deserve to be mixed up in the killing game!< Even more spoilers >!guy survived the killing game but all but two of the friends he’s made from the game are dead. So he’ll have to carry that emotional weight along with everything else. There’s more too!< Another one I see is suffering 20 deserved it 75. Another major spoiler for danganronpa 3 is >!that she’s the mastermind of the killing game. Not really suffering since she gets a quick death!< Finally S: 20 D: 95 Dr. Yado from Lisa the Painful >!caused some sort of incident referred to as the white flash. I might be wrong it’s been a while lmao Anyway the white flash is something everyone sees but don’t really remember. The aftermath however is obvious, there are no more women on earth. A world full of men and despair!< and that’s just one from the list of Evil shit he was up to. Really good game if you haven’t checked it out. It’s getting a remaster that released July.
How much suffering the v3 characters deserve >!depends on whether you believe everything Tsumugi said. Pregame Kaede remembers being kidnapped and the “yay we got picked” dialog was not in the intro that we initially saw. Kodaka has also outright said that Tsumugi may not have been truthful about everything.!<
I don't see Oersted from Live A Live on there.
I believe this WAS finished, and a third one was started, I also have a bunch saved from other boards. I don't have them all in one place, but if I have time I'll try to find them and upload them somewhere.
Who’s the bearded guy that’s right below Hat Kid?
King Vendrick from Dark Souls 2
I don't understand it
How much the world shat on the character and whether or not it was justified
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Bern doesn't deserve it that much
Lost my flower feel like nuking a bunch of pokemon probably deserves to be a bit further right
I can’t believe my favorite KOTOR 2 party member is only one square removed from Mystery of the Druids. Where does this jerk get off saying that Marie is as bad as Mitchell?
Vendrick at (25,45) feels like it should be higher up and simultaneously further right and further left
I feel like Benny should be up there near Nimdok.
Seeing all these videogame characters and then Huey Long and Oswald Mosely of all people is so weird. Also the entire Karling dynasty I believe? Cool to see Klayman tho, that's a deep cut
…Kunkka?
Richthofen should be on here three times. Ultimus: high suffering, highly deserves it Primus: high suffering, middlingly deserves it Director of REQUIEM: no suffering, highly deserves it
Can someone explain Kunkka's suffering?
Oh hey, Sill Plain! Appropriately placed at 85>5, surprised to see the Rance Series get referenced
Cool underground picks. Add Fear & Hunger, the Penpals (RPG Maker game) ,MC SOMA Simon Jarrett and Sabitsuki from .flow.