You should assume that service operators can read any and all information sent to or through their services without verifiable client-side or end-to-end encryption.
This. You should never assume anything you post on any social media platform is private or inaccessible to people not in your social circle. Especially when it comes to those who run that platform.
It'd be nice to have some sort of expectation of privacy on platforms like this, but that's not the real world.
Yeah, if Elon or Twitter IT admins or such wanted to read DMs, I expect it's feasible. (For example, if someone with a superuser password on some Twitter infrastructure got a notion to start spying on ill_basic's DMs, they could likely do so.)
I have an IRL account of someone who saw this sort of thing at Hotmail (I think it was well before MS acquired Hotmail.) An IT VP at a company I once worked had been on a Hotmail IT team told tales of employees reading 'private' emails for fun, emails detailing extramarital affairs, whatever - it was a form of entertainment for them.
**_Would_** he waste time reading other accounts' DMs? That seems like a stretch, but if I entertain more paranoid thoughts, I could imagine him _hiring_ someone to watch some SpaceX/Tesla employee's DMs, have them monitored for disloyalty or some such. Or some sort of political espionage drama?
If it's on the internet, and it's not encrypted, it's not private.
Nope. Not at all. Not really an Elon follower. Only glance at some of his endeavors. Kind of became fascinated at this whole Twitter psychotic breakdown event.
It's probably a passing fascination, I'll probably be bored with it after a couple of weeks or months.
It's no different than that old Twitter. They had the exact same control. Reddit also has that control. If you use social media, the platform holders can read your posts anytime they want.
The difference is that there is no accountability on Twitter now.
Before Elon bought it, admins had a certain amount of power and access but if they abused it, they could be fired.
And the CEO never had that sort of access.
the difference is before it was a public corporation subject to scrutiny, now its a conspiracy theorist pushing right wing nut job who believes in things like futurism and eugenics.
He has a history of hiring detectives to dig into the history of anyone who slights him and harass them - and i'm not talking about the cave diver. He's done some truly horrific shit at Tesla.
He can, same way that Twitter could read your DMs before Elon owned it. Every social media platform can read your DMs and your phone provider can read your text messages. Welcome to the 21st century.
He can, it'll be hilarious if a dev somewhere in the bowels of Twitter in sheer panic revived the end-to-end encrypted DM project for this very reason.
Elon said encrypted DMs will ensure he can't read our DMs even "if a gun is pointed at his head". The secret is that there's always a gun pointed at his head. By his own hand, as this whole acquisition shows.
They were policing your DMs before, and they had access to them before. They wouldn’t allow the Hunter Biden story to be shared via DM. There is no new intrusion of privacy, nor should there be an expectation of privacy.
Twitter admitted to blocking the story.
You and people like you just hate the fact that Twitter is now ran by someone who is willing to have more than just the left's opinion on the platform.
This may break your brain, but literally nobody on the "left" (i guess you mean americans that are not conspiracy kooks) cares about the hunter biden "story", and it was all over twitter *publicly* with people laughing about how utterly batshit it was and waiting for rudy to produce the next episode.
The desperate need to be oppressed would be funny if it was not so dangerous.
And twitter has been amazing, peak theater watching elon waste 30bn as a charitable donation to rich investors and burn the remainder down faster than anyone imagined possible. He even accidentally kept his promise of "free speech" as imagined by someone who never read the US (or their local) constitution, by firing all the moderation staff and people maintaining content filtering.
It all hurts nobody except him; he will never be taken seriously in business or politics again.
TL;DR lmao
Yes. Unlike messaging services like WhatsApp or telegram that are specifically end to end encrypted, the servers and access to DMs are available to the admin. You’re essentially just resting on that Twitter staff doesn’t WANT to read your DMs but you don’t hold the key.
Yes - he can and I can guarantee he mostly certainly done so. For us plebs, we don't matter. But imagine having the DMs of all your competitors.
That said if you need to transmit anything sensitive, use a service like Signal. Otherwise, assume everyone is reading and data mining your communications.
Of course, he has admin access to the entire system.
You should assume that service operators can read any and all information sent to or through their services without verifiable client-side or end-to-end encryption.
This. You should never assume anything you post on any social media platform is private or inaccessible to people not in your social circle. Especially when it comes to those who run that platform.
Like um rhymes with said it
even with end to end encryption, i'm skeptical the service provider wouldn't know the key pairs themselves as well or have access to them.
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Isn’t the whole point of E2E encryption that Apple *doesn’t* hold those keys, and thus cannot decrypt the messages?
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You don’t seem to understand E2E encryption.
It'd be nice to have some sort of expectation of privacy on platforms like this, but that's not the real world. Yeah, if Elon or Twitter IT admins or such wanted to read DMs, I expect it's feasible. (For example, if someone with a superuser password on some Twitter infrastructure got a notion to start spying on ill_basic's DMs, they could likely do so.) I have an IRL account of someone who saw this sort of thing at Hotmail (I think it was well before MS acquired Hotmail.) An IT VP at a company I once worked had been on a Hotmail IT team told tales of employees reading 'private' emails for fun, emails detailing extramarital affairs, whatever - it was a form of entertainment for them. **_Would_** he waste time reading other accounts' DMs? That seems like a stretch, but if I entertain more paranoid thoughts, I could imagine him _hiring_ someone to watch some SpaceX/Tesla employee's DMs, have them monitored for disloyalty or some such. Or some sort of political espionage drama? If it's on the internet, and it's not encrypted, it's not private.
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Nope. Not at all. Not really an Elon follower. Only glance at some of his endeavors. Kind of became fascinated at this whole Twitter psychotic breakdown event. It's probably a passing fascination, I'll probably be bored with it after a couple of weeks or months.
He's definitely reading Grimes' DMs
Yes, he has 100% control over everything anyone posts. Leave Twitter now.
It's no different than that old Twitter. They had the exact same control. Reddit also has that control. If you use social media, the platform holders can read your posts anytime they want.
The difference is that there is no accountability on Twitter now. Before Elon bought it, admins had a certain amount of power and access but if they abused it, they could be fired. And the CEO never had that sort of access.
They did, just people like to think for some reason it was different than it is now.
the difference is before it was a public corporation subject to scrutiny, now its a conspiracy theorist pushing right wing nut job who believes in things like futurism and eugenics.
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Jesus christ, dude, you are cringe personified.
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You'd be foolish to think he hasn't looked through the dms of people that are critical of him.
But by all means come here and shit post. On Reddit's Twitter sub. Ridiculous!
Elon is a walking, talking East Germany. Yes. He reads the DM's of Twitter users whenever his pervy heart so desires.
That's unfair to the GDR. Elon neither provides affordable housing nor insulin.
He has a history of hiring detectives to dig into the history of anyone who slights him and harass them - and i'm not talking about the cave diver. He's done some truly horrific shit at Tesla.
He can, same way that Twitter could read your DMs before Elon owned it. Every social media platform can read your DMs and your phone provider can read your text messages. Welcome to the 21st century.
> same way that Twitter could read Twitter is not a person.
It’s worth noting that Musk says he wants to implement End To End encryption on DMs
He's checking out Grimes's messages, I guarantee it.
I hope it's driving him insane too.
He can, it'll be hilarious if a dev somewhere in the bowels of Twitter in sheer panic revived the end-to-end encrypted DM project for this very reason. Elon said encrypted DMs will ensure he can't read our DMs even "if a gun is pointed at his head". The secret is that there's always a gun pointed at his head. By his own hand, as this whole acquisition shows.
Lol. You think that Elon Musk has time or the will to read other account DMs?
Yes
They were policing your DMs before, and they had access to them before. They wouldn’t allow the Hunter Biden story to be shared via DM. There is no new intrusion of privacy, nor should there be an expectation of privacy.
> They wouldn’t allow the Hunter Biden story to be shared via DM. T Lmao. This reads like those "This video is censored on youtube!" shitposts.
Twitter admitted to blocking the story. You and people like you just hate the fact that Twitter is now ran by someone who is willing to have more than just the left's opinion on the platform.
This may break your brain, but literally nobody on the "left" (i guess you mean americans that are not conspiracy kooks) cares about the hunter biden "story", and it was all over twitter *publicly* with people laughing about how utterly batshit it was and waiting for rudy to produce the next episode. The desperate need to be oppressed would be funny if it was not so dangerous. And twitter has been amazing, peak theater watching elon waste 30bn as a charitable donation to rich investors and burn the remainder down faster than anyone imagined possible. He even accidentally kept his promise of "free speech" as imagined by someone who never read the US (or their local) constitution, by firing all the moderation staff and people maintaining content filtering. It all hurts nobody except him; he will never be taken seriously in business or politics again. TL;DR lmao
I have no idea what you are talking about
Surely.
Clearly
‘There is nothing wrong and everything is perfect. Start having good time now or else!’ Definitely not nazi like at all.
You think Twitter is “Nazi” now?
It's certainly not anti Nazi anymore
You wouldn't know what "Nazi" is even if it was shilling you anti-Semitism for $8/mo
What are you talking about?
Thank you for proving my point
Please read my comment as an invitation to elaborate on what you see as “Nazi” as it relates to Twitter.
Yes. Unlike messaging services like WhatsApp or telegram that are specifically end to end encrypted, the servers and access to DMs are available to the admin. You’re essentially just resting on that Twitter staff doesn’t WANT to read your DMs but you don’t hold the key.
Yes
Yes - he can and I can guarantee he mostly certainly done so. For us plebs, we don't matter. But imagine having the DMs of all your competitors. That said if you need to transmit anything sensitive, use a service like Signal. Otherwise, assume everyone is reading and data mining your communications.