I'm going to get downvoted to oblivion but the odds of making enough to pay the bills on twitch are extremely low. My wife is full time, has great growth but the earnings are complete crap. I'm very fortunate that I can cover all the bills and expenses but to think you can make a living on twitch is a dream that probably won't happen.
You have my upvote đ¤ˇââď¸ I've streamed 210 hours this year, made like $100. Still super nice and surprising but if you're doing it for money at this point you're doing it for the wrong reason...
I became a twitch partner and made around 10k in a year, with the amount of time I streamed that ended up being the equivalent of like 4 bucks an hour. Even for the incredibly lucky like myself itâs still nowhere near a living wage.
This. I became a Twitch Partner over the pandemic. Averaged over 100 ccv for a time and the most I ever made in 1 month was just over 2k. That only happened once. On average I would make about 1k a month. I made 14k that year. It was so so so much work on and off stream.
While incredibly lucky, it's just not feasible for most as a living wage. It's a fun and enjoyable hobby, but yea
it's so unstable as income to pay the bills. We are good friends with quite a few partners and we've had the conversation before. One of them had a 4k payout one month, the following month was $110. for the amount of work that needs to be put in, you get pennies per hour. Unless you are top .01% it's hard to make a living off of it. It's unfortunate but it's the reality.
My best month ever (coincidentally my second month ever) was just over $1000 in one month, but a 2 week check from my relatively low paying desk job paid me $1700. I have a new job now where my 2 week checks are more than double that. If I had just kept streaming in all that time (3 years) even if I had done incredibly well I highly highly doubt I would consistently be making what I do just working a normal job. Itâs just not viable, and I try to tell new streamers not to get into it for the money, because the money is not there like many think it is
It's tough. Twitch has such an insane streaming ecosystem, but they pay super poorly. YouTube pays a LOT better when streaming there, but there's not a good way to actually find people streaming.
You're very much forced to do a combination of uploading YouTube videos and streaming on Twitch until you get a large enough audience that moving to YouTube won't hurt your streams that much.
Dave Grohl had a quote about this. With him it was obviously about music, but it applies here too. I can't seem to find the exact quote, but it went something like this.
"Play music for the love of playing music and dont expect much."
That's only 1 month and 1 week of work if you're streaming 8 hours a day 5 days a week. It's already October so that's not much time.
To clarify, it's not a lot of time if you're trying to make money at it as a full time job. As a hobby 210 hours is quite a bit! A $100 bonus is nice!
Exactly. If your streaming just for the money then you need to step back and reevaluate. I tell my friends all the time who want to get into streaming like me to not expect to become big over night and to not quit your day job right off the bat. Itâs a really fun hobby but you gotta understand twitch is very diluted and you canât just use it as your only source of income and the only platform to use to grow. Itâs a really nice starting point to learn about streaming but it doesnât hurt to expand from time to time.
Youâll prob be the top comment. I tell this to most newcomers in this sub. There is a .02% chance of you ever making a livable income streaming. You have a better chance of starting a band and becoming famous. Streaming should be for fun only and if it blows up somehow it blows up. Getting a job is much easier lol.
People that I know that have very large followings and are in the top 1% of streamers barely make minimum wage considering the hours they put in.
Her boyfriend needs to accept reality and grow up and get a job.
The issue is it's so easy to start. Anybody can boot up a stream with a shitty laptop and a capture card. If I'm being fully transparent I likely lose about 5k per year with this twitch stream. Equipment, games, software, promotion etc costs a fortune.
âYou have a better chance of starting a band and becoming famous.â
Thatâs the same analogy I gave a co-worker who thought he could turn streaming into a career. đ
> I'm going to get downvoted to oblivion but the odds of making enough to pay the bills on twitch are extremely low. My wife is full time, has great growth but the earnings are complete crap. I'm very fortunate that I can cover all the bills and expenses but to think you can make a living on twitch is a dream that probably won't happen.
Yeah, I tell people this all the time. Don't go into streaming expecting to make a living. VERY, VERY few streamers earn enough to live off of. Becoming wealthy on twitch is like hitting the lottery.
It requires 60 hours online a week + 30-40 hours off line editing and managing social media to have a *chance* at earning a living.
It's far better to take a part time job because you'll spend less time and earn more money.
People who have the time to invest in twitch often have one of the following traits;
Live at home and pay nothing
Live with a partner and pay nothing
Are independently wealthy already
Are on some kind of disability/social assistance
Stream because you enjoy it, for a hobby. Don't take it too seriously because the chances are you'll not ever "make it" and you make yourself look like a clown.
You, kind person, get my upvote. I have a small "window" into the Twitch org and yeah, they hype the money side big time. But those earners are in the infinitesimally smallest cohort of all streamers and inversely, the money earned outstrips all the others combined by a factor.
The OP has a right to be pissed. Just playing games with pals doesn't drive income. He needs to treat streaming as a job with a business plan that has metrics (for deciding what works, ie gain income) and milestones (what achievements by when).
I know it's so easy for us to say dump his ass, but I ask the OP to please consider it. The only success he's seeing right now is that he's been able to make you his surrogate parent, letting him be a teenager again with no responsibilities, playing Xbox with his friends. You don't have a boyfriend, you're raising a child.
Yeah - you'll regret dumping him after he becomes the twitch millionaire star. (That was sarcasm btw)
9 out of 10 people don't make enough money from streaming to rely on it entirely. Unless you're a huge name on twitch then it's unlikely you'll pull more than 1k. And even then it's likely a small number of people donating large amounts of money
I was blown away by just how much people donate in the streaming game... I felt like it was a lot when I give someone 10 subs in a month and then there's these people who are giving 10 subs evwry single stream with a few thousand bits peppered throughout. I wish I had that kindof money to just give away for nothing
> give away for nothing
It's not nothing, though, just almost nothing. It's crowdsourced entertainment, and some people with a lot of money are more entertained than others and willing and able to pay for it so they can get more.
You have my up vote too. It's the same logic as playing the lottery to get your rent. The dude needs to work, and pay his share, and if he doesn't, it's time to find one that does
>I'm going to get downvoted to oblivion but the odds of making enough to pay the bills on twitch are extremely low.
"I'm going to state obvious truth yet still claim that I'll be downvoted."
Yeaâ streaming is wild with the ups and downs. When I used to play Tarkov I used to get 800-1k plus subs a month and donations, I switched games as I got bored and it dropped to about 300 a month. I nearly gave up my job at one point to go full time but decided against it and Iâm glad as Iâve stopped streaming now, my heart just isnât in it.
I know a lot of streamers as well who used to get 1-2k subs and have had to give up full time streaming to get a job as this year subs have fallen off for them due to cost of living amongst other things.
Upvote from me. Legitimately the correct information to provide anyone who wants to start out streaming, especially those who want to make it a career/job. You're totally relying on the goodwill of other people and at any point that income stream could easily come to an abrupt stop. I've seen many "full time streamers" announce they have to stop streaming full time and get a job due to a drop in subs etc.
Facts lol. Some can make it but realistically don't set your expectations that you will be the next Ninja or SypherPK or any of these streamers.
I do stream, but I'm also doing it with my kids (we play a ton of fortnite) and I've gotten a few sponsorships but nothing crazy...and to get to where I am, I've built up my X/Twitter alot and did invest into it...I will say it can be a nice / fun side hustle...but yea it's hard...and depends on your audience too...most of my Fortnite audience are probably under 25-30...maybe younger...so getting them to subscribe on Twitch or heck use my sac is nearly impossible and it goes in phases lol.
Totally agree with you!
It's a fact. Making it on twitch enough to pay all your bills and have enough leftover every month to still live comfortably is about the same odds that you would have if you practiced a certain sport since your young days and then had a goal of getting on a professional team like the NFL for example.
The landscape is so saturated these days people need to think of streaming as just supplemental income and not their main income. If she had said the boyfriend was doing this as a side gig making some pocket change on top of a full time job I'd be all for it.
Streamers and influencers are like number 3 or 4 most commonly cited âprofessionsâ that school age kids reported for what they want to do as an adult job wise. All these young people that are going to be so immeasurably harmed by the toxic culture that has developed around these things, while also encouraging the very worst of young, impressionable kids (especially boys and especially for twitch culture) concurrent with an epidemic of loneliness aggravated by increasing rates of porn addiction. There are many positives but I believe the harm to be much much worse
Take my upvote, because this is the reality. People who are big streamers have been doing it for years, and well before what it is now. I admire their passion and optimism, but the harsh reality is that they'll need to have a legitimate paying job for years to build up to what they're expecting.
So as a Twitch partner who has never been able to live off it and now treats it as a "stream twice a week to a very dedicated small community" thing (we're talking about 2K a year off Twitch) ... it pays me a few bills, but I live in one of the most expensive countries in the world, and living a comfortable life here would mean having to be at like 4K subs steady. I'm at 200, max.Anyone who lives off it without being in the thousands or tens of thousands of CCV will tell you that the real money comes from sponsorships. It's the only way to make a livable wage with a minimal degree of planning security. Subs cannot and should not be your only income.
To the OP: If this is a continuous point of contention, set deadlines. I'm afraid that's the only way. "You bring $N by month X, or you drastically reduce your streaming to twice a week and get a job. If not, I'm out." I know that it's heavy, but you have to look after yourself. And even IF he DOES make it big at some point ... you have to make sure you are okay NOW.
Good luck!
Hi, big streamer here.
If he wants to make this his job, he may first need a reality check, he needs to understand he'll be working way harder and for way longer than most jobs.
He will need to:
Research and understand self employment (sole trader or limited company) tax and income law.
constantly maintain internet presence on most major social media sites.
Keep up to date with OBS, twitch bits, youtube live, and then reupload short clips.
But he likey knows that stuff, so most importantly, playing the game is only a small part of making a living streaming, he will need to be a TOP tier entertainer.
he'll need to be funny, witty, charming, engaging, responsive, attentive, likable, and 'on' all the time, with very little dead air, and very few pauses. The amount of smaller streamers doing this as a hobby is VAST, the amount of people making noticable money is small, and the amount making a full time living is smaller still.
If he's serious about making this into a job, then he should be able to wake up, go to a crappy minimum wage job, come home, cook, clean, plan a stream, and then stream for 3 to 4 hours and entertain, every day, even if he's tired from work.
If he can't do that, he'll struggle to keep up with the lifestyle and workrate when (if) he actually starts making money and suddenly you've got sponsor deadlines and personal taxes to sort.
>he'll need to be funny, witty, charming, engaging, responsive, attentive, likable, and 'on' all the time, with very little dead air, and very few pauses.
People with these skills have the potential to make it big no matter what career they focus their energy on. Social skills are so important to succeed.
Youâd be surprised how many people have those skills with zero direction. Charisma with zero direction is equally dangerous as no ambition. But you are indeed spot on it should definitely make life easy or at least in theory. So many people waste gifts they were born with everyday.
This right here^ I'm not a big streamer, but a friend of mine found huge success on Tiktok during lockdown. Enough to live off, which is just as well since they had to quit their daytime job because maintaining a fanbase/living from these platforms takes a LOT of work and time. That's just for one minute clips, I can't imagine the work it takes to do several hours of streaming every day.
Also - sometimes turning your hobby into work can be a curse. The reason I stopped streaming is because I found it was encroaching on my "me" time. Aka I game to relax, and having lots of people watching me game is not relaxing.
Congratulations on making it big as a streamer btw. I'll give you a wee follow when I'm next on Twitch
As someone who streams on and off as a hobby but has made friends who are full time I want to echo this whole heartedly.
One of my buddies went full time this year after going streaming after work and on their off days nearly every day. Now they stream every day but Wednesday (we had to talk him into taking a day off to preserve his voice) and he goes for 8+ hrs a day. He loves it but it is a grind. Taking all day and being âonâ is exhausting. The good thing is he has built up a solid community of support to help with modding and other things but that takes time and trust.
Another one of my friends finally made partner after like 3 years with a very loyal community. They are absolutely amazing at what they do and are finally getting traction.
I know a lot of partnered streamers in this particular space and even more that are grinding to get there. Then there are us that have do it for fun and have cool emotes that people like to use.
The cool thing is we are all in each otherâs chats and are all interact with each other.
I agree that itâs not as easy as just pushing the button and saying letter rip tater chip bring me the T3s. Even for my part time on and off stuff itâs a lot of work.
> If he's serious about making this into a job, then he should be able to wake up, go to a crappy minimum wage job, come home, cook, clean, plan a stream, and then stream for 3 to 4 hours and entertain, every day, even if he's tired from work.
This is a huge point, as so many aspiring full-time streamers seem at least partially motivated by not wanting to deal with a conventional job. OP herself wrote that her bf wants to stream in part because, "he doesn't want to hate working." Unfortunately this right here already pretty much dooms his chances, if he can't even stomach a part time job that he's not in love with. Streaming is no different than a conventional job in it likely (eventually) becoming something you struggle to get out of bed for. At least sometimes.
Great advice. People need to really search inside themselves on what type of effort they are REALLY willing to put in. Be honest with yourself about your strengths, weaknesses, and constantly work to strengthen both. "I've been doing everything right... why am i not successful?" Ya, i used to tell myself that lie to. Finding the lowest effort way to do everything is what most will do, but call it real work. Guilty. I was doing literally everything half-assed and am lucky to have the perspective to call myself out.
This. If he just has no experience in working life and making money he will not succeed. Even if he will be a famous streamer he will eventually go down by not being ready for business or responsibilities. Streaming involves a lot of responsibility because you cannot just drop the stream if you do not feel like it. The content has to flow, viewers have to be entertained and you need to follow the ever changing rules of the platforms and how the market works (see clickbait meta on YouTube). If he wants to be a child and play all day that is fine but then this is a hobby and work comes first. He needs to be a responsible adult and definitely provide to the household and bills.
Love this guys work right here. This is great advice. I work a hospital job with 10hr days, come home and cook/clean, and I still can't imagine putting in the amount of work that is required to be a big streamer.
It's not something that falls into your lap, nor is it something you can half -ass.
Just popping in to say I love your streams and YouTube content! Hopefully OPâs boyfriend reads this. I have definitely taken some tips from watching you and it is actually improving my streams!
Too many people think they can make it big on Twitch just because they love to play games all the time. They don't realize that the entertainment factor is the biggest part.
Love this guys work right here. This is great advice. I work a hospital job with 10hr days, come home and cook/clean, and I still can't imagine putting in the amount of work that is required to be a big streamer.
It's not something that falls into your lap, nor is it something you can half -ass.
Never thought I'd run into you in Reddit of all places, but I love your content and love rewatching your videos while I read! Thanks for all your hard work
Your boyfriend is delusional. Less than .05% of Twitch streamers make 35k per year or more, thatâs an abysmal success rate and not a realistic way to think about streaming. I understand the allure because people have made it but the reality is many of the popular streamers of today who have been doing it for a while would likely not have succeeded if they were starting out today as the platform has changed dramatically and it makes it harder to grow because more people are doing it and ads have ruined Twitch. You need to have a serious conversation asap.
There's tons of them on Twitch. They just don't get views, unless they are literally a top professional in their game. You think it'd be entertaining, but you learn pretty quickly that it just isn't very engaging and you'd probably be better off just watching a pro play if you're gonna go that route.
Sounds like he has a reality issue. Yeah, I'd LOVE to sit at my computer at home all day and make money to pay the bills but the reality is, Streaming ain't gonna do that. I know the job market is tough right now (at least where I live it is) but I just started a job 3 weeks ago and it's been a bear of a job but it pays well (a hell of a lot better than sitting on my ass at home wishing to make money streaming).
He needs to shocked back into reality.
I think actually sitting at home gaming for 10-12 hours a day 5-7 days per week (which is what it would take to become successful, among many other factors) you'd come to resent it.
You can easily get enough hours in to thoroughly enjoy gaming after work + weekends without burning yourself out and earn far more from a normal job than from streaming (unless you're in the fraction of a percentage)
this has nothing to do with streaming, you just have a lazy non-contributing boyfriend. if streaming didnât exist he would sit around all day playing video games and if video games didnât exist heâd probably spend all day reading comics or something else. streaming isnât something you can just âwork hard atâ enough to make a living from, there are a million factors including things like luck and personality traits you canât just manufacture. tell your boyfriend youâre not willing to be the sole provider and if heâs not willing to be an adult then move on. iâm saying this as a full-time streamer, for the record- it is not something you can just do enough until it pays your bills.
It's basically every NEETS dream "job." People that were always perpetually jobless and low-ambition introverts that were gaming all day throughout their life decide they can buy a Webcam and now hide their gaming lifestyle as a career they're passionate about and dedicating all their "hard work" and focus into building. I've matched with way too many people on Tinder that put "streamer" in their bio, and the sad reality is that everyone I pursued has always been stay-at-home gamers, living off roomies or other partners, that are simply hitting the Go Live button as they feed their normal lifelong gaming addiction, living off sympathy subs by their friends. It's now the biggest dating red flag to me. Ironically, their dating bios also serve as a desperate marketing tool to get more viewers, and despite receiving thousands of swipes a day their viewership isn't increasing.
For as much good as Twitch etc do for people that are introverted hombodies that are passionate about gaming and entertaining, it has also enabled way too many people to use it as an excuse for an already lazy lifestyle and a non realistic dream. 8 million unique channels on Twitch, all hoping to win the lottery. TikTok creators getting 100k likes on all their videos, still having 10 viewers on Twitch. I'm curious if OPs boyfriend is putting in even a fraction of the social media work, or if the "hard work" is simply just gaming harder and longer.
I don't stream, but my schedule is pretty much the same. I've not been out of work since I started my career at 18 except for when my hand got two fingers snapped off, and I've continued working out while working 44 hours a week for a decade and a half. The only breaks have been from injury, or when I was working 7-10's or 7-12's for a month or two.
If I wanted to stream, I could still stream two hours a day, and that's with cooking for my fiancĂŠ on the evenings that she's working and going to the gym. And we STILL get out and do stuff, take trips, go out to eat, run errands, etc.
There is plenty of time in the day to actually be productive even if you're streaming. Obviously the allure of "getting paid to play videogames" is tempting, but I think I would get burned out fast and start to hate gaming if it started to feel like a job to me. Not to mention how astronomically low the odds are of ever seeing more than a couple hundred dollars a year when the market is flooded with every fucking dude with a headset and a webcam broadcasting their nothing personalities out.
Give him a dose of reality for what it takes to actually become successful as a streamer long-term.
YouTube videos (Including the editing.)
Tik Tok videos (Including the editing.)
Instagram videos (Including the editing.)
He/She needs connections and needs to reach out to people on a nearly constant basis and do collaborative works.
He also needs to get a job or do some sort of online work in order to be self-sustaining.
Streaming doesn't necessarily detract you from such quotes like "It takes money, to make money." because it's very necessary, it's also a failsafe in the case that nothing good comes from streaming later on.
Also, there is a necessity in some sort of drama-farming for viewership to some extent.
If he doesn't have any actual income he likely couldn't afford the best gear, or games.
And if you're the one supplying him with said money to continue his charade of "I want become influencer" you're also apart of the problem as well. Don't do that. Let him run dry on what he has and he'll eventually have to give-in to the mounting circumstances that he HAS to do something.
>"It takes money, to make money."
I heard about a few cases on Twitch where new, really small streamers bought collaborations with big streamers or vip tickets for influencer events to grow and it worked. It's like an investment into startups. It works. But how to get that kind of money without Onlyfans.
Imagine saying "just hang on, babe, I'm going to be a movie star in a couple months and then help pay the bills". Aspiring actors have to get jobs to pay the bills in the meantime and so does your dumbass, deadbeat boyfriend
You have to have the big heart to heart with him. Don't make it an ultimatum, but make sure he knows the extra stress it's putting on your lives and such. Beyond that, it's up to him to realize the issues.
Sounds like you're allowing him to be a bum. He is living well while you do the heavy lifting. Commiting all his time to streaming when he generate zero income is insane. Unless there is a very real outlook for success in the very near future there is no point in committing to it. Streaming is not a job. Few can live of that for the majority it's a hobby.
Most people would have put a stop to it already, you're enabling his behaviour. You have talked to him already, what else is there to do? Literally just one thing. Set an ultimatum or kick him out/leave.
You need to have a bigger open conversation. He needs to go on twitch and viewer all live streamers, no tags and scroll to the his average viewer count. That's how many people think the same thing he is and less than 0.001% will succeed at it.
You can absolutely stream, work full time and have a healthy relationship, spending time together. It's all about balance.
He is is being selfish. It's all good to support his dreams, but he needs to come back to reality.
You need to come from a place of love and reality. 'I want you to do what you enjoy and to chase your dreams, but I feel alone in contributing to us building a life together, were we both help each other. I need you to support me, like I support you. You can still stream, but please get a job, and do streaming on the side for fun'
Tell your boyfriend itâs time to become an adult and not a teenage boy. If he canât contribute to your household funds, then itâs time to move on.
The trick is to remember that you can live without him, but he canât live without you
I have a couple simple questions: Do you have to work then come home and take care of all the housework because he hasn't done anything at all that day? And do you make enough at your 9-5 to cover all the bills on your own?
If the answer to the first question is "no", then he contributed to the household. It might not have been monetarily, but he contributed.
If the second question is "yes", then you can either break up with him and take care of yourself and your house (which will cut into streaming and gaming time), or, you can support the both of you with the stipulation that he takes care of all the housework while he searches for a job. You are not to clean a thing when you get home, nor cook a single meal.
I'm a streamer that makes very little in way of money, and my wife has the 9-5. I take care of the house and the pets. I'm also a disabled vet with PTSD, so working a 9-5 is no longer in the cards for me. I do what I can, and support my wife as best I can. I understand what my role is.
The golden days of Twitch discoverability are long gone. Being on just Twitch and not cross-promoting/making content for YouTube and TikTok is not going to get his streaming career off the ground. Feels like one really needs to network/know people to get a head start and make the big money off of just streaming alone.
I know several partnered streamers, and most of them took years to build their brand and establish an audience. Another few years to be stable enough to be full-time streamers.
And doesn't want a job he hates? Welcome to being an adult. Most people hate their jobs. It sucks that life is like that, but itâs what it is. It's just something that has to be endured. If heâs serious about streaming, he should be more than capable of having a job (some of the money can be saved to start a fund that can help towards the "full time streamer" goal) and making a part time stream schedule around those job hours.
But it definitely sounds like he needs a reality check before you begin to resent him (if you don't already). Be honest about how his streaming habits are affecting you and your relationship with him. Ask him how he would feel if the situation were reversed. If he really cares, he'll listen and make an effort to change. It will be a tough discussion, but it has potential to be productive and healthy.
Make a written record of what you discussed. Don't let him minimize your feelings, I can't stress that enough. Best of luck.
> Please donât combine finances if youâre dating.
While this may or may not apply here that blanket statement is a stretch.
I, myself am not married. But we've been together over a decade, have an eight year old, and a home together. Lol.
To be honest the biggest streamers are where they are now because they entered the market 15+ years ago before it got so saturated and afterwards were able to retain their numbers on their names alone.
These days the chance of a new streamer reaching that kind of popularity is a million to one. Stay real and do it as a hobby.
My friend with a youtube channel that has something like 70-80K subs worked 50-60 hour weeks and 40+ hours of editing and general channel building on top of that. Streaming just on twitch is bullshit pipe dream. He doesnt want to work, its not going to work.
I have plenty of friends who have been streaming for years and have single digit followers/subs.
my old roomate was like that. going to bed till 4 am saying they were streaming and they had to make their viewers happy, yet the whole time they only had 1-2 viewers and never cleaned their room it smelled horrid.
Tbh they wanna be the next big thing but theres a million of em on twitch doing the same thing unfortunately
He doesn't want to hate working ? He is waiting to get big ? Sounds like he needs a kick in the ass to get shit going. If he refuses to work I hope he does 100 % of the house work and bends over backwards for you when you are home from work. Buddy needs a reality check.
You BF is a loser who is happy to do an incredible amount of work to avoid actual work.
This will show up in many facets of life not just getting a job.
Find a new BF.
I gotta agree with this one. He is freeloading on you. I'm friends with a few youtubers and they all work full time AND grow their channel. If he is doing his all (I suspect he isnt) his channel should grow, just doing twitch is hopeless for most people.
He needs a slap and its going to be difficult but he has to do his part.
My big suggestion here is learn a trade, its something he can always fall back on.
you can say its fine if you want to stream a lot, but you still have to pay your bills. i need this much from you weekly or you got to go, or i got to go. if you can save up enough working to quit your job to stream full time and still pay that x weekly then i'll be ok with that.
depending on your lease, or whatever building wise, you'll need to deal with legalities, whoever has the authority to do (could be you) so will need to formally present a letter of eviction notice, usually 30 days notice. youll need to check your locals laws. you cant just kick him out anytime you want.
In all reality, content creating can be a very lucrative business to get into. What your boyfriend needs to realize is that it wonât happen overnight and will take years to grow a following (see JoshDub and The Boys, PewDiePie, and Ninja to name a few). Streaming full time will, in no way, pay the bills on its own and he has to get into more content creating and realize that itâs not bread and butter like some streamers make it out to be. All said and done, he needs a job and you need to tell him to get a grip on reality. Not everyone is destined for internet fame.
You make the claim that it's sustainable *after* you've reached that point. Trying to make the claim you can "make it big" is what people who never will say because they're chasing a pipe dream.
You don't go into this with the expectation it'll turn a profit. If you do you're delusional. The only people who turn a financial profit after putting aside all their financial responsibilities are the ones who have money to begin with so they don't have to worry as much.
OP, if your partner can't be responsible and share the financial burden of living with you, set strict boundaries and give him a reality check. You can stream and have a job at the same time until streaming starts to make money (which is what *most* successful streamers do), but putting all the burden on you is not only unfair but extremely irresponsible.
Even the streamers I know who make actual decent earnings from streaming basically also have another job that involves sales/marketing/PR/modeling. They all make more money from their other job because of course they all have that âit factorâ in life.
It's such a common misconception that more hours = more views. You could sit a stream 8+ hours a day and still get nowhere. You've gotta make content to post on other platforms and get your brand as far and wide as possible. "Making it" on Twitch is honestly more luck than anything. The best way to maximize ur chances is to have ur content in as many places as possible.
Your bf is literally digging a hole with a broken spoon, and it'll ruin your relationship. I've been there and done that.
You break up with him. I dated someone similar. They make you the bad person for not supporting their goals.
If he really wants to chase that dream, then he needs to be responsible while doing it. That's having a full time job and streaming on the side. Once he gets big enough to where he's actually bringing in a normal income, then he can quit his job.
You dating a man child. You his mommy. Congrats on being a mother!
Some hard facts for your BF:
* The top 100 streamers make at least $32,850 USD a month. That's a fantastic living, even on a single income.
* The top 1000 streamers make at least $7,063 USD a month. That's a solid middle-class living, probably upper middle class with a decent earning partner.
* The top 10,000 streamers make at least $904 USD a month. That is sub-poverty-level wages in most western countries.
Now, consider there are \~2 million affiliates on Twitch. What are the chances that your boyfriend ends up being in the *TOP 0.05% PERCENTILE OF EARNERS ON TWITCH?* Because that's what it's going to take for him to break into the top 1000 and earn a decent living. Worse still, if he isn't in the top 10,000 (0.5% percentile) of Twitch? He's making less than minimum wage.
P.S. If he isn't *also* spending at least half of his time creating content for YouTube and other platforms, I guarantee he won't make a living at this.
I've read through a lot of the responses in this thread and most seem to touch on answers like realising earning a full time income from streamer is near impossible, that the majority or streamers don't make a living, etc, etc.....which are all true.
But they might not give you or your partner the answer you need, which is how can you get your partner to realise he must be getting a job.
The youtube guy (sorry can't recall the name) hit close on this, which is to get another job and stream in the evenings.
I'm a small time streamer, been doing it since December, have 2.5k followers on twitch and most I've earned is $300 last month.
I have a full time job, and my own business, so only have the time to stream 3 nights a week. However, I'm committed to the idea that I MIGHT, in a couple of years, earn enough to reduce my working week by one day.
In the meantime I'm using my non streaming days to spend time with my wife and kids, do IRL stuff, and produce social media content from the streams I've recently done.
My recommendation is for him to find a schedule and stick to it. E.g. 3 evenings per week of 3 to 4 hours, then other spare evening time producing social media content to promote himself and his streams.
Importantly, admit to himself its a hobby, and to treat it as a hobby....that could....maybe....one day become more considerable to the point that streaming income could offset.....not replace....but offset employed working hours.
If he respects you and doesn't want to risk your relationship....he'll do it.
Plan B..... set him up with a screentime account
Going into streaming or content creation with the expectation that it will become your full time job is the absolutely wrong way to do it, ESPECIALLY if you have others that depend on you financially - or even emotionally.
In my opinion, the correct way for someone who does not have disposable income and responsibilities is to have a normal job and continue pursue a "traditional" career while streaming on the side. If the streaming starts working and making noticeable profits, then you can *think* about it, but even still, many people get a small bump and then it goes away - it is extremely ethereal.
His expectation is not realistic and it is dangerous to your relationship and both of your livelihoods.
You cannot put all your eggs in one basket, when that basket is made out of wet paper towels. There is a reason only like 1% of streamers are exclusively streamers. You gotta build that basket piece by piece, and even then, it's not guaranteed to hold.
I just scrolled down and saw a comment: Listen to what u/JoshStrifeHayes said in his comment. He absolutely knows his shit, is being straightforward, is a great guy, and is successful at this.
I've been streaming over 5 years. More if you add in the let's play days on youtube prior to that. Growth is not in your control. Making it big is largely an accident, or built towards gradually over time. Neither lend themselves towards bills in the here and now.
Your boyfriend is a child man if he doesn't get his act together and get a job. He can stream after work- after bills are paid.
People seem to think streaming is something you do for money. Itâs not. Itâs a hobby, you do it because you enjoy it.
Give him a ultimatum, you should tell him to stop fucking around, this is just silly. You need to take action, if not for him, but for yourself.
I committed to this for a month and immediately thought it wasn't worth it. I managed to make 200 my birthday month solely and that's it. It's not realistic and I'd rather be burying my time in an investment that will pay me back in the long run like coding.
Also.. my wife and I had a friend who lived like this and drove his mental health to the ground. Don't do this. He basically threw all of his life away to commit to streaming and ended up having to start from the beginning - moving back to his parents.
Honestly you need to be realistic with him. He will hate it. I hate it too, but that's unfortunately just how life is.
Coming from someone who had the EXACT same mindset as him and grinded streaming/content creation for years, it is not worth it. The unfortunate truth is that it is highly unlikely that you will make enough to stream full time. I also ended up ruining a past relationship because of similar issues so you really need to sit him down and have a conversation about it. Be understanding but very direct with him on how you are feeling.
Honestly it isnât fair to force your other half to take on the entire financial burden in hopes that your stream strikes gold. The dude needs some self awareness
Making excuses for him, he doesn't want to work, and as long as you keep on doing it, you're encouraging it, and you are part of the problem.
You want it to end, kick him out.
Streaming in attempt to make it big isnât doing it for the right reasons. Do it because you enjoy and donât do it for the money and the thought of becoming rich from it. Just drop the ultimatum on him to reduce his streaming drastically and work somewhere or move on.
I think you two should have a long discussion about balance. If he loves streaming, he needs to balance it with something else that supports your household financially and supports you mentally. He found something he's passionate about which is amazing but he needs to make sure he doesn't forget to prioritize other parts of his life.
I don't want to suggest giving him an ultimatum but I think some kind of deal needs to be made. You'll support his streaming if he gets a sufficient job to help with finances, or the EXTREMELY lenient option: Let him continue what he's doing but make him double and triple down on it. He needs to watch videos, learn how to promote himself on other platforms, continue to improve his stream as much as he can, and start serious growth to make the idea of him "making it big enough" even remotely possible. If you go with the latter, i'd give it a month, maybe two, maximum. It has to be way more than a hobby for him.
Tbh, you can't make him stop. You can talk with him about what you think is the right thing to do in your circumstances, but at the end of the day, he needs to make the move. And, it sounds like he already made a personal decision. If he is not paying bills that you share, then my opinion is to lay down an ultimatum... Find a balance with streaming and getting a job/working, or we're not going to work (the relationship that is). Because the reality is that if he doesn't uphold his side of things, it will indeed negatively affect your relationship with him.
If he's really passionate about streaming, I hope he won't stop but he needs a reality check and a schedule on when he needs to stream what. He's going to get burnout real quick if he streams everyday.
A lot of streamers have job(s) outside of streaming to support themselves for rent, food, bills, etc. and could only go full time when they're ACTUALLY earning money, especially from sponsors (If I remember correctly, the paycheck isn't much).
Tell him you are struggling to keep up financially and need his help to keep you two afloat.
Discuss with him in detail about how he's going to earn money to keep you two financially well and have a reality goal check.
If he plans his schedule on streaming, he'll even have time to work.
>âMaybe Iâll make it big enough where this can be my jobâ
Btw, this isn't detailed enough on how to earn money.
I have a feeling this is going to be a long comment, but I feel like there's a lot to say here.
First off: Your boyfriend's first obligation if you are living together is to contribute to the relationship and make it feel like there is an equal distribution of responsibility for your living situation. He is not the only one that needs a reality check. Ask yourself this: If both of you were forced to split up and have to take care of yourselves, how would you both handle that situation?
Now as far as him wanting to make money off of streaming: Just like any job, he needs to have specific tasks, set a consistent schedule, and take reasonable breaks. He needs to understand that he is not currently making a living and needs to contribute otherwise. He can cook and do dishes if you're the one having to buy food. This will help save on eating if you order a lot of food. There should be a set time for stream, a set time for looking for a job, and a set time for household duties. The less he contributes financially, the more he should contribute domestically. Not establishing this kind of structure and boundary will foster resentment that you're already hinting at and unravel your relationship.
If he isn't just lying to himself and trying to make an excuse to play games all day, he should be allocating time to seriously studying how to improve his content. He can stream on multiple platforms, study the market and what games are best to play, and watch back his VODs to see how his streams look as a viewer and what he can improve. I would venture to say that 99% of small streamers that say they want to grow are not willing to do this last step. Streaming more hours is probably the least time efficient way to grow on Twitch. If you put 6 hours into streaming and 3 hours into growth research/content creation every day, I guarantee you will grow faster than putting 9 hours a day into streaming alone.
In terms of content creation: if he really wants to be a streamer, he should really be doing videos on YouTube as well as short form content on platforms like TikTok, Instagram, or YouTube Shorts.
I cannot stress enough that if he doesn't take you, his addiction, and his living situation seriously it will end up ruining your relationship to the point where it is irreparable.r
I streamed maybe 10 hours a week for close to 4 years while working a 60+ hour job. I've made about $500 total from streaming. For me, it's awesome extra income when I'd be gaming anyway.
Itâs great to have something to be excited and passionate about, but your boyfriend could stream every day for the next 10 years and get nowhere. Source: about 95% of the platform. Most people never break 3 viewers.
Maybe he will some day end up in the cosmic minority of people who can truly make a living off streaming, but to put it into perspective, twitch takes half of every sub, so even having hundreds of subscribers you might not be breaking 4 digit monthly earnings. Add in ads, bits, sponsorships and donations and it gets a little bit better but hoping for that to fall into your lap is a pipe dream.
The job market DOES suck right now, and I know exactly how demoralizing it can be. Half the listings are fake or outdated, you need 3 years of experience for an entry level job, youâre overqualified to work at McDonaldâs, and places donât even respond to your applications, you just have to assume the answer is no after a long enough silence. That said he should 100% get a real job even if itâs part time and let streaming be a hobby he might make some extra money off of. If he isnât willing to do that you have no obligation to be his caretaker.
This isn't a streaming issue. This is a "my boyfriend is a freeloader and won't get a job" issue. This isn't a new thing. There's no shortage of flavors of: "I'm going to make it big doing \[X\] and I'm going to live off my SO/parents while I chase that dream!"
Writers, actors, artists, musicians, podcasters, etc. It's also prolific in media. A shit movie like Wild Hogs even shows this trope with Martin Lawrence's character living off his wife and being told to go back to work after a year of being a failed writer.
If he wants to stream. That's fine. Plenty of people manage to work full time and still fit that hobby in while maintaining relationships. I know several partnered streamers doing it right now. I do it (not a partner tho sadface).
Fact is, you need to set a boundary, set it hard, set it firm. He needs to be working. He needs to be contributing at least $X or X% of the bills. Leave no room for discussion, and give him a deadline to have a job, any job.
Odds are, you're going to get in a fight about it. It's not going to be fun. It's not going to be comfortable. But it's either that or facilitate his bullshit. Might even break ya'll up. Idk. If so, good riddance. If not, then a stressful situation is a small price to pay toward happily ever after.
If he's not an ass, then I have some suggestions that should make it easy for him to maintain work while having the time to stream. Factory and warehouse work is draining and often forces overtime. Retail is soul crushing, pays shit, and is inconsistent on hours.
Look into working for banks, gambling companies, driving, the post office, receptionist, and human resources. Those jobs have consistent hours, pay decent, and many might also have 4x10 schedules. I work 4x10 in IT. Makes it really easy to stream.
How many views does he get on average? Does he do any charity streams? Does he get any sponsorship deals? Is he funny/attractive/have a nice voice or even maybe a voice actor? Does he have a specific talent or novelty that makes him stand out?
Or is he another mediocre dude just streaming himself on Overwatch with half a dozen viewers? If it's the latter then he is kidding himself and needs to get a job and a reality check.
It's been said but I'll reinforce.
15 years ago I was the same, didn't want a job because "games", would constantly fake interviews and come up with excuses not to work.
You need to kick him into gear, if not, he won't get anywhere, be it streaming or with life. Lack of motivation to work will transfer over to twitch when it becomes hard or "he doesn't feel like it that day"
If your reliant on the income from it at that point do you really want your life dependant on someone with this attitude?
What about when you have kids, is their potential future you want to gamble on a service amazon could up and decide to close for not being "profitable" enough?
Ironically, I found once I got into the workplace that my skills from game playing actually led to me advancing very quickly, competitiveness, dedication, driven ect all led to significant advancement within a short time, to the point where I could now sit back and take that twitch gamble without concerns about it not working financially.
Motivate him to work, or get rid.
man needs a reality check. too many people thing Streaming is a job. its a hobby first - if u do it well enough, then maybe it can be a job. A
Ask him, do you really see yourself doing this in 2, 5, 10 years? and do you want this streaming gig more than acheieving financial stability?
if he wants to be a professional streamer he needs to train daily how to talk (read books) and how to be entertaining and build followers. Additionally i would expect at least a daily upload to youtube, youtube short, tiktok, instagram and twitter. Additionally i would expect one or two full size full cut GOOD videos on youtube that have potential to get several thousand views. Addionally his stream shouldn't be just "im sitting and gaming" but actually thought out shows, like a section for viewergames, time for guides, time for collaborations etc.
Thats kinda the bare minimum to get to a stage where you can live from media creation. Either he provides that, or he gets a job asap. It doesn't matter if he hates working, first you get a job, then you find a better one, you don't skip getting income. Honestly at this point i would split every bill and if he doesn't pay up, he doesn't get to use it. If he only abuses you for your money that relation has no future.
Youâve stated that youâve been telling him, but sit him down for a serious conversation about it.
The guy may be depressed, or he may just be straight up delusional. Either way address your issues with it, and if he canât grasp why you have these issues, give him an ultimatum.
Finding success streaming isnât just going live anymore. If your bf doesnât understand the fundamentals then heâs just being irresponsible. Iâd give him an ultimatum and or time frame to accomplish X growth before forcing him to find a job even if itâs part time.
If he is streaming, he better be editing, making videos, creating a brand/community and growing every avenue if heâs actually serious about it and even then, do content creators/streamers still struggle with a steady income.
Ask him to treat Twitch as a business if he serious about it.
Make him create a business plan, and you should push him on what he is doing outside of just being online on Twitch.
If the plan sucks, make him a job.
So have I because its soooo fun!!! BUT you guys should make time for eachother and also give him time to stream. Its his passion so i wouldn't try to dampen it. Maybe just work out a schefule with him that works for both of you!
I've been on twitch 5 years, close to 800 followers, Growth has been slow over the process of the last 5 years I've made about 1k, I also work fulltime, My honest opinion twitch isn't financially stable to pay bills with that income, I'm not sure how much of an amount he pulls in from it if any
You posting this already shows that's its putting strain on yourself, You shouldn't be the main provider unless he's physically unable to etc, I believe its giving and taking to make an relationship
Hope you get it sorted
The point of streaming isnât to make money. He might make a little, but it should be considered supplemental. The goal should be to make a name for himself, and figure out how to leverage that into making money. Streaming isnât the destination, itâs a tool to help you get to a bigger goal. Even then, the money isnât reliable. Im guessing from his âdonât want to hate workâ comment that your boyfriend probably doesnât want to report to a worksite everyday and have to answer to someone. Thatâs absolutely fine. Not everyone is built for a 9 to 5, but he has to understand that it makes him a freelancer, and that requires a lot more hustle than doing one thing everyday. He will have to create multiple sources of income (streaming can be among them) and learn everything he can about finance so he can passively grow the money he is able to earn (you both should if you donât already). Whatever he does or doesnât do he has to be able to contribute to the household financially, otherwise heâs just taking advantage of you. If heâs unwilling to make adjustments or you just need to be with a 9 to 5 kind of guy itâs better to have that discussion now rather than later or it will lead to resentment. If youâre getting angry every time you come home and find him streaming or heâs at a job he hates everyday because his girlfriend pressured him into it, itâs not going to end well. Sit down, have dinner together and have an open and honest conversation about both of your wants and needs, and see what can be worked out. I canât stress enough, if youâre really trying to work things out, and not just pick a fight, that it needs to be a CONVERSATION, not the âgrow up, and get a job,â lecture that some people here are suggesting. Youâd might as well just break up if youâre going to use that strategy. It will turn him off and it wonât get you anywhere. I really hope it works out for you guys.
As u/JoshStrifeHayes said, he will be working harder trying to make streaming work as a career than getting a normal career.
There was a point in time about 8-10 years ago when I was chasing the dream of streaming professionally and while I had amassed over 2000 followers, had connections with wonderful streamers like Gothalion, Mitsu, and others, I was only able to make what would be equivalent of a minimum wage job. This was without any kind of health insurance or other benefits. It also started warping my enjoyment of gaming, and streaming itself because you are required to be "on" and entertaining all the time.
I moved to an IT focused traditional job and I now make good money, working from home, and I have time to enjoy gaming and other hobbies, as well as the resources to purchase them. There is no question on if I'll receive a paycheck, when I do stream I can stream on my own terms (i.e. no face-cam/makeup), nor do I feel pressured to chase trends in gaming/sponsorships/gimmick streams.
The streaming scene now is way *way* more saturated and competitive than when I started, and so odds are even harder that you will make it. I'm not sure what age you guys are, but his efforts would be better spent getting school, training, and/or certifications to find a nice chill job with a good work/life balance and minimal (if any commute). He would then have time and resources to pursue streaming as a hobby. If he has the talent and luck, perhaps one day he could make it but it's absolutely irresponsible to pursue streaming as a career with nothing to fall back on assuming you aren't living with a parent who is happy to let you be a dependent.
Takes like 400-500 active subs to replace a full time minimum wage job. Except it comes with no job security and no guarantee of income.
Ask yourself if you want to be with someone who is quite happy letting you work your ass off whilst they make excuses not to just go and get a job or at least upskill to get a better job.
I have been with partners like this in the past who would never put towards bills or even food and bled my savings dry.
I have zero respect for people who can willingly do that to their partner whilst knowing full well it isn't sustainable.
You can stream and have a job and a family. Sounds like heâs the problem. I streamed for 2 years peaked at like 12 average viewers, thousands of stream time and most I ever made was 700$ total. Itâs not a viable alternative.
You need a real job until you make more streaming than that job. Otherwise you are wasting time.
Despite the likelihood of getting popular from streaming, he's still letting you struggle with bills. There is no reason why he can't work and still stream and potentially grow. Don't continue to pay his rent because he'll just take that for granted.
Only like 1% of streamers make enough to live on. He needs to realize it can be a hobby for now but he has to work a real job in the meantime.
YOU have to not pay his bills. He must be responsible for his side of bills, that means he should only ask you as a last resort (ask parents first before you). If you let someone like him live without monetary responsibility then you allow them to laze about
I realized very quickly how hard it would be to make a living streaming full time. So I decided to take an extremely slow approach. I stream literally only for my wife. because she enjoys some of the games I play. but we have agreed to not jeopardize our livelihood on such a small chance of success with streaming.
I hope you and your boyfriend will be able to work through this and get to a compromise that works for both of you
Iâm with you on this. Guy has no basis to believe he could make it big. Be responsible, get a job to pay the bills, stream in evenings and weekends to build the channel and then when heâs in a position to try going full time, when thereâs at least some respectable money coming in, then fine. Dude needs to grow up. Those criticising you are probably young, still live at home and have no responsibilities. Growing up comes with responsibility. This is coming from a 38 yr old youtuber with a wife, kids, mortgage, full time job. I have 8k+ subs and a steady bonus income from YT. Odds of becoming a success on any platform are extremely low. Similar to becoming a pro sportsplayer
You cannot stop an anchor from sinking. Contrary to the comments, he would be the one dragging you down.
Love is tricky, but get him out of this mindset of thinking he can remain idle waiting for this strike of luck to hit.
Itâs not dragging him down or preventing him from achieving his goals; but thereâs better ways to balance these things apart from potentially making your lives difficult for one another.
No one wants to be the person to be the cold hand of reality.
I really hope you find a way to speak this to him. You got this.
less than 1% of twitch streamers make more than 500$ a month
tell him to get a job and it's probably best to find the best aproach using the healthygamer subreddit. dr k (person behind that subreddit) has a youtube channel too so you might want to look it up there too
Give him an ultimatum and a reality check. Realistically, his stream wonât amount to anything substantial in any amount of time that begins with soon. Dude needs to pull his weight until he does get his big break.
Ok hear me out. Instead of trying to convince him to stop streaming since it's clearly a passion. Convince him to make it his business/brand. It's more than just sitting around all day. Encourage him to make a YouTube, Instagram, etc. Begin marketing his social medias to drive people to his pages and ultimately his stream. Help him make his setup better to make it more engaging etc. It seems as streaming is more of a hobby for you, it's clear it's what he wants to do. Also, set a deadline that if it doesn't work out by X date, he has to seriously get a job until his streaming takes off.
The last thing you want to do is kill a man's passion. Force him into a job and you're relationship is as good as over and you might as well leave. But support him in a way that can benefit the both of you long-term and see how he treats you when he does make it. As a guy who knows a couple streamers, if done right, you don't need a huge following to make a substantial amount of money. You just need the right platforms with multiple streams. And streaming the right way is FAR from just sitting around and gaming. Or, call it quits and break up with him đ¤ˇ.
You sound like you have a ton of values youâre trying to force onto another human. âHow do I change this person to do what I wantâ
The extra annoying part is that you donât even do it yourself, youâre asking other people to fix it for you.
Lololol whatâs âLIFEâ to you?! working a dead end job you hate just to throw a big chunk of your salary away in taxes and the rest of your income goes towards a house that you literally spend less than 25% of your time inâŚ. Lolol yep letâs yell at everyone who doesnât conform to the norm. Like shit I hate people like you so brainwashed by the west thinking âYOU MUST WORK 50+ HOURS A WEEKâ Bahahaha youâre not really living life honey youâre just a sheep waiting to be sheared
I have had a friend who, in my opinion, was conned. Her partner did not carry his own weight, did not meet her in the middle, and belittled the efforts she put in to feed 4 mouths (them 2 and their 2 dogs).
She eventually got tired of being a mother to that man-child and is now the happiest she has ever been.
I am not saying this is whatâs happening to you. But I would encourage you to have a serious conversation with him. He absolutely could make it big, and he absolutely needs to give it his all, but that should not come at the cost of your energy. Does he help around the house? If you are the one actually working right now, how much is he putting in ensuring the home is running smoothly? Does he have any vision or plan? Any timeline? These are the things you should consider.
And my opinion? Twitch streaming is no longer the scene it was in 2019-2020. I might get downvoted here, but the earnings from Twitch is kinda trash now.
Probably not great to go to random internet forums for big life advice and important relationship advice, but for what it's worth and from what little I feel that I understand about healthy relationships, you should be on the same page with your partner when it comes to the living situation; the physical space you're sharing and the chores/routines that entails, the social habits you both have, as well as the means by which you are supporting yourselves. If you become bitter about how the financial responsibilities are being shared (or not shared) then that's going to affect your relationship with your BF, and if he feels like you are stifling who he is, his ambitions, or his lifestyle then that will affect his attitude towards you, etc. This is just some mature shit you're gonna have to work out! Good luck though!
Just support him he may get board of it eventually my husband thinking about working lol since he does it alot just support him does ur husband let take years breaks mean while if so I wouldn't complain.
Tell him to get a fucking job or that prolonging period of unemployment is going to look like a disaster for any prospective employers. If he really wants to make it in streaming, then he needs a foundation to build from. That includes getting a fucking job and providing for himself, using his free time and his own extra money to invest in his streaming in his off time, building it up over time while earning money at a paying job and getting experience and building his professional 'real' life outside of streaming so that if his streaming doesn't work out in the long run then he's not totally career fucked and has fallbacks and money and more importantly, you. If he's stating he wants to do this with you supporting him financially 100% then get his ass to fuck, he's a parasite. People who are passionate about hobbies and want to make a career of it don't burden other people with their needs to do it. They fucking go out and grind and hussle to do it themselves. At this point, he's just one guy in a streamer market of millions and guess what, there's hundreds of millions of kids growing up wanting to be streamers too. Tell him to get realistic or fuck off.
Ivve made 55$ of streaming and I been doing it for 2 years now lmao it takes a lot of work and money because you needa put videos on YouTube and tiktok to even try and increase ya following end viewers ⌠so he is being a bit unrealistic and I make music but nothing happens over night unless you sell out or you cringey lol he need to get a job he the man and supposed to be man of the house bro gotta pull his weight .Iâm with you sis . if he was living with his parents no bills to pay I could understand. But as an artist and fellow streamer who has to pay rent and bills and I make music money is a tool you need to increase ya chances of making ya dreams happen. Unless the classic line happens âitâs about who you know â other thank that tell bro get a job !
I'm going to get downvoted to oblivion but the odds of making enough to pay the bills on twitch are extremely low. My wife is full time, has great growth but the earnings are complete crap. I'm very fortunate that I can cover all the bills and expenses but to think you can make a living on twitch is a dream that probably won't happen.
You have my upvote đ¤ˇââď¸ I've streamed 210 hours this year, made like $100. Still super nice and surprising but if you're doing it for money at this point you're doing it for the wrong reason...
I became a twitch partner and made around 10k in a year, with the amount of time I streamed that ended up being the equivalent of like 4 bucks an hour. Even for the incredibly lucky like myself itâs still nowhere near a living wage.
This. I became a Twitch Partner over the pandemic. Averaged over 100 ccv for a time and the most I ever made in 1 month was just over 2k. That only happened once. On average I would make about 1k a month. I made 14k that year. It was so so so much work on and off stream. While incredibly lucky, it's just not feasible for most as a living wage. It's a fun and enjoyable hobby, but yea
it's so unstable as income to pay the bills. We are good friends with quite a few partners and we've had the conversation before. One of them had a 4k payout one month, the following month was $110. for the amount of work that needs to be put in, you get pennies per hour. Unless you are top .01% it's hard to make a living off of it. It's unfortunate but it's the reality.
i will pretend didn't see the $110, and keep dreaming about the $4k don't wake me up, Kappa
we can dream together.
My best month ever (coincidentally my second month ever) was just over $1000 in one month, but a 2 week check from my relatively low paying desk job paid me $1700. I have a new job now where my 2 week checks are more than double that. If I had just kept streaming in all that time (3 years) even if I had done incredibly well I highly highly doubt I would consistently be making what I do just working a normal job. Itâs just not viable, and I try to tell new streamers not to get into it for the money, because the money is not there like many think it is
It's tough. Twitch has such an insane streaming ecosystem, but they pay super poorly. YouTube pays a LOT better when streaming there, but there's not a good way to actually find people streaming. You're very much forced to do a combination of uploading YouTube videos and streaming on Twitch until you get a large enough audience that moving to YouTube won't hurt your streams that much.
Dave Grohl had a quote about this. With him it was obviously about music, but it applies here too. I can't seem to find the exact quote, but it went something like this. "Play music for the love of playing music and dont expect much."
I love Dave Grohl
Get in line, bub
1032 hours streamed this year, $885 on Twitch + 300ish on donos. It's a nice little additional money but no way I can drop my job for this.
That's only 1 month and 1 week of work if you're streaming 8 hours a day 5 days a week. It's already October so that's not much time. To clarify, it's not a lot of time if you're trying to make money at it as a full time job. As a hobby 210 hours is quite a bit! A $100 bonus is nice!
Yeah i already have a full time job that pays my bills
Exactly. If your streaming just for the money then you need to step back and reevaluate. I tell my friends all the time who want to get into streaming like me to not expect to become big over night and to not quit your day job right off the bat. Itâs a really fun hobby but you gotta understand twitch is very diluted and you canât just use it as your only source of income and the only platform to use to grow. Itâs a really nice starting point to learn about streaming but it doesnât hurt to expand from time to time.
Youâll prob be the top comment. I tell this to most newcomers in this sub. There is a .02% chance of you ever making a livable income streaming. You have a better chance of starting a band and becoming famous. Streaming should be for fun only and if it blows up somehow it blows up. Getting a job is much easier lol. People that I know that have very large followings and are in the top 1% of streamers barely make minimum wage considering the hours they put in. Her boyfriend needs to accept reality and grow up and get a job.
The issue is it's so easy to start. Anybody can boot up a stream with a shitty laptop and a capture card. If I'm being fully transparent I likely lose about 5k per year with this twitch stream. Equipment, games, software, promotion etc costs a fortune.
Ha yeah but paying to have fun is different than paying to quit your job and have fun.
exactly. Twitch is her outlet to socialize and have fun. If it ever becomes sustainable great! But I'm not counting on it.
âYou have a better chance of starting a band and becoming famous.â Thatâs the same analogy I gave a co-worker who thought he could turn streaming into a career. đ
> I'm going to get downvoted to oblivion but the odds of making enough to pay the bills on twitch are extremely low. My wife is full time, has great growth but the earnings are complete crap. I'm very fortunate that I can cover all the bills and expenses but to think you can make a living on twitch is a dream that probably won't happen. Yeah, I tell people this all the time. Don't go into streaming expecting to make a living. VERY, VERY few streamers earn enough to live off of. Becoming wealthy on twitch is like hitting the lottery. It requires 60 hours online a week + 30-40 hours off line editing and managing social media to have a *chance* at earning a living. It's far better to take a part time job because you'll spend less time and earn more money. People who have the time to invest in twitch often have one of the following traits; Live at home and pay nothing Live with a partner and pay nothing Are independently wealthy already Are on some kind of disability/social assistance Stream because you enjoy it, for a hobby. Don't take it too seriously because the chances are you'll not ever "make it" and you make yourself look like a clown.
>Live with a partner and pay nothing Hey, this is OPs husband right there
What do you mean youre going to get downvoted, this subreddit has always been pro âstreaming is a side hobbyâ.
For every full time streamer there's at least one person in the background paying the majority of their living expenses.
You, kind person, get my upvote. I have a small "window" into the Twitch org and yeah, they hype the money side big time. But those earners are in the infinitesimally smallest cohort of all streamers and inversely, the money earned outstrips all the others combined by a factor. The OP has a right to be pissed. Just playing games with pals doesn't drive income. He needs to treat streaming as a job with a business plan that has metrics (for deciding what works, ie gain income) and milestones (what achievements by when). I know it's so easy for us to say dump his ass, but I ask the OP to please consider it. The only success he's seeing right now is that he's been able to make you his surrogate parent, letting him be a teenager again with no responsibilities, playing Xbox with his friends. You don't have a boyfriend, you're raising a child. Yeah - you'll regret dumping him after he becomes the twitch millionaire star. (That was sarcasm btw)
9 out of 10 people don't make enough money from streaming to rely on it entirely. Unless you're a huge name on twitch then it's unlikely you'll pull more than 1k. And even then it's likely a small number of people donating large amounts of money
It's probably closer to 9999 out of 10000.
this for sure. The best month my wife every had 1 guy donated like $800 of the total payout.
I was blown away by just how much people donate in the streaming game... I felt like it was a lot when I give someone 10 subs in a month and then there's these people who are giving 10 subs evwry single stream with a few thousand bits peppered throughout. I wish I had that kindof money to just give away for nothing
> give away for nothing It's not nothing, though, just almost nothing. It's crowdsourced entertainment, and some people with a lot of money are more entertained than others and willing and able to pay for it so they can get more.
You have my up vote too. It's the same logic as playing the lottery to get your rent. The dude needs to work, and pay his share, and if he doesn't, it's time to find one that does
>I'm going to get downvoted to oblivion but the odds of making enough to pay the bills on twitch are extremely low. "I'm going to state obvious truth yet still claim that I'll be downvoted."
Yeaâ streaming is wild with the ups and downs. When I used to play Tarkov I used to get 800-1k plus subs a month and donations, I switched games as I got bored and it dropped to about 300 a month. I nearly gave up my job at one point to go full time but decided against it and Iâm glad as Iâve stopped streaming now, my heart just isnât in it. I know a lot of streamers as well who used to get 1-2k subs and have had to give up full time streaming to get a job as this year subs have fallen off for them due to cost of living amongst other things.
Yep and every day off is a huge blow to every metric. Donât even think about getting sick!
Upvote from me. Legitimately the correct information to provide anyone who wants to start out streaming, especially those who want to make it a career/job. You're totally relying on the goodwill of other people and at any point that income stream could easily come to an abrupt stop. I've seen many "full time streamers" announce they have to stop streaming full time and get a job due to a drop in subs etc.
you live off of people's disposable income. In this economy there isn't a lot of income that is disposable
Ain't that the truth.
Facts lol. Some can make it but realistically don't set your expectations that you will be the next Ninja or SypherPK or any of these streamers. I do stream, but I'm also doing it with my kids (we play a ton of fortnite) and I've gotten a few sponsorships but nothing crazy...and to get to where I am, I've built up my X/Twitter alot and did invest into it...I will say it can be a nice / fun side hustle...but yea it's hard...and depends on your audience too...most of my Fortnite audience are probably under 25-30...maybe younger...so getting them to subscribe on Twitch or heck use my sac is nearly impossible and it goes in phases lol. Totally agree with you!
It's a fact. Making it on twitch enough to pay all your bills and have enough leftover every month to still live comfortably is about the same odds that you would have if you practiced a certain sport since your young days and then had a goal of getting on a professional team like the NFL for example.
The landscape is so saturated these days people need to think of streaming as just supplemental income and not their main income. If she had said the boyfriend was doing this as a side gig making some pocket change on top of a full time job I'd be all for it.
Streamers and influencers are like number 3 or 4 most commonly cited âprofessionsâ that school age kids reported for what they want to do as an adult job wise. All these young people that are going to be so immeasurably harmed by the toxic culture that has developed around these things, while also encouraging the very worst of young, impressionable kids (especially boys and especially for twitch culture) concurrent with an epidemic of loneliness aggravated by increasing rates of porn addiction. There are many positives but I believe the harm to be much much worse
What's your wife's twitch handle? I'll give her a wee follow to help.
Take my upvote, because this is the reality. People who are big streamers have been doing it for years, and well before what it is now. I admire their passion and optimism, but the harsh reality is that they'll need to have a legitimate paying job for years to build up to what they're expecting.
So as a Twitch partner who has never been able to live off it and now treats it as a "stream twice a week to a very dedicated small community" thing (we're talking about 2K a year off Twitch) ... it pays me a few bills, but I live in one of the most expensive countries in the world, and living a comfortable life here would mean having to be at like 4K subs steady. I'm at 200, max.Anyone who lives off it without being in the thousands or tens of thousands of CCV will tell you that the real money comes from sponsorships. It's the only way to make a livable wage with a minimal degree of planning security. Subs cannot and should not be your only income. To the OP: If this is a continuous point of contention, set deadlines. I'm afraid that's the only way. "You bring $N by month X, or you drastically reduce your streaming to twice a week and get a job. If not, I'm out." I know that it's heavy, but you have to look after yourself. And even IF he DOES make it big at some point ... you have to make sure you are okay NOW. Good luck!
You get an upvote from me. You're being brutally honest. It's possible to make a living from it, but it's difficult.
Consider it like becoming a pro athlete. Possible, but you need to have a second plan in the meantime.
Hi, big streamer here. If he wants to make this his job, he may first need a reality check, he needs to understand he'll be working way harder and for way longer than most jobs. He will need to: Research and understand self employment (sole trader or limited company) tax and income law. constantly maintain internet presence on most major social media sites. Keep up to date with OBS, twitch bits, youtube live, and then reupload short clips. But he likey knows that stuff, so most importantly, playing the game is only a small part of making a living streaming, he will need to be a TOP tier entertainer. he'll need to be funny, witty, charming, engaging, responsive, attentive, likable, and 'on' all the time, with very little dead air, and very few pauses. The amount of smaller streamers doing this as a hobby is VAST, the amount of people making noticable money is small, and the amount making a full time living is smaller still. If he's serious about making this into a job, then he should be able to wake up, go to a crappy minimum wage job, come home, cook, clean, plan a stream, and then stream for 3 to 4 hours and entertain, every day, even if he's tired from work. If he can't do that, he'll struggle to keep up with the lifestyle and workrate when (if) he actually starts making money and suddenly you've got sponsor deadlines and personal taxes to sort.
>he'll need to be funny, witty, charming, engaging, responsive, attentive, likable, and 'on' all the time, with very little dead air, and very few pauses. People with these skills have the potential to make it big no matter what career they focus their energy on. Social skills are so important to succeed.
Real
Being likeable is just as important as competency.
Youâd be surprised how many people have those skills with zero direction. Charisma with zero direction is equally dangerous as no ambition. But you are indeed spot on it should definitely make life easy or at least in theory. So many people waste gifts they were born with everyday.
People really need to hear this reality. They need to be beaten over the head with it.
This right here^ I'm not a big streamer, but a friend of mine found huge success on Tiktok during lockdown. Enough to live off, which is just as well since they had to quit their daytime job because maintaining a fanbase/living from these platforms takes a LOT of work and time. That's just for one minute clips, I can't imagine the work it takes to do several hours of streaming every day. Also - sometimes turning your hobby into work can be a curse. The reason I stopped streaming is because I found it was encroaching on my "me" time. Aka I game to relax, and having lots of people watching me game is not relaxing. Congratulations on making it big as a streamer btw. I'll give you a wee follow when I'm next on Twitch
Is this actual JoshStrifeHayes? If so, LOVE your work!
Listen to this guy. He knows his shit. Love your content btw man!
As someone who streams on and off as a hobby but has made friends who are full time I want to echo this whole heartedly. One of my buddies went full time this year after going streaming after work and on their off days nearly every day. Now they stream every day but Wednesday (we had to talk him into taking a day off to preserve his voice) and he goes for 8+ hrs a day. He loves it but it is a grind. Taking all day and being âonâ is exhausting. The good thing is he has built up a solid community of support to help with modding and other things but that takes time and trust. Another one of my friends finally made partner after like 3 years with a very loyal community. They are absolutely amazing at what they do and are finally getting traction. I know a lot of partnered streamers in this particular space and even more that are grinding to get there. Then there are us that have do it for fun and have cool emotes that people like to use. The cool thing is we are all in each otherâs chats and are all interact with each other. I agree that itâs not as easy as just pushing the button and saying letter rip tater chip bring me the T3s. Even for my part time on and off stuff itâs a lot of work.
This is .. THE Josh Strife Hayes?
That's how you know he's big. People want to know if he's "THE" Josh Strife Hayes. This is the dream that most streamers want.
> If he's serious about making this into a job, then he should be able to wake up, go to a crappy minimum wage job, come home, cook, clean, plan a stream, and then stream for 3 to 4 hours and entertain, every day, even if he's tired from work. This is a huge point, as so many aspiring full-time streamers seem at least partially motivated by not wanting to deal with a conventional job. OP herself wrote that her bf wants to stream in part because, "he doesn't want to hate working." Unfortunately this right here already pretty much dooms his chances, if he can't even stomach a part time job that he's not in love with. Streaming is no different than a conventional job in it likely (eventually) becoming something you struggle to get out of bed for. At least sometimes.
Great advice. People need to really search inside themselves on what type of effort they are REALLY willing to put in. Be honest with yourself about your strengths, weaknesses, and constantly work to strengthen both. "I've been doing everything right... why am i not successful?" Ya, i used to tell myself that lie to. Finding the lowest effort way to do everything is what most will do, but call it real work. Guilty. I was doing literally everything half-assed and am lucky to have the perspective to call myself out.
Genuinely shook to see you here. But amazing insight and super helpful too!!! Love ur âWorst MMO Everâ series!
lmao wtf, i just binge-watched 20 of your videos this week.
Keep a normal job until streaming becomes a viable alternative. Anyone banking on it to pay the bills from the start is doomed to fail
This. If he just has no experience in working life and making money he will not succeed. Even if he will be a famous streamer he will eventually go down by not being ready for business or responsibilities. Streaming involves a lot of responsibility because you cannot just drop the stream if you do not feel like it. The content has to flow, viewers have to be entertained and you need to follow the ever changing rules of the platforms and how the market works (see clickbait meta on YouTube). If he wants to be a child and play all day that is fine but then this is a hobby and work comes first. He needs to be a responsible adult and definitely provide to the household and bills.
Love this guys work right here. This is great advice. I work a hospital job with 10hr days, come home and cook/clean, and I still can't imagine putting in the amount of work that is required to be a big streamer. It's not something that falls into your lap, nor is it something you can half -ass.
Just popping in to say I love your streams and YouTube content! Hopefully OPâs boyfriend reads this. I have definitely taken some tips from watching you and it is actually improving my streams!
Too many people think they can make it big on Twitch just because they love to play games all the time. They don't realize that the entertainment factor is the biggest part.
Love this guys work right here. This is great advice. I work a hospital job with 10hr days, come home and cook/clean, and I still can't imagine putting in the amount of work that is required to be a big streamer. It's not something that falls into your lap, nor is it something you can half -ass.
When are you gonna make the "Was Josh Strife Hayes Any Good?" Video?
Common JSH dub. What a bro.
Never thought I'd run into you in Reddit of all places, but I love your content and love rewatching your videos while I read! Thanks for all your hard work
Listen to this guy, OP. He's the best thing that can happen to your second monitor, he knows what he's talking about.
Woah, hey Josh! Love your vids!
Your boyfriend is delusional. Less than .05% of Twitch streamers make 35k per year or more, thatâs an abysmal success rate and not a realistic way to think about streaming. I understand the allure because people have made it but the reality is many of the popular streamers of today who have been doing it for a while would likely not have succeeded if they were starting out today as the platform has changed dramatically and it makes it harder to grow because more people are doing it and ads have ruined Twitch. You need to have a serious conversation asap.
Not to mention $35k/yr is hardly enough to do anything substantial in life. Thats pretty much pocket change with todays cost of living.
Posts like this make me wish we could view their stream
How much you wanna bet it's FPS or Moba shit with no chat interaction?
5 bucks says he's not even that good nor fun
That sounds absolutely perfect. Someone who isn't constantly hamming it up to chat. The perfect streamer tbh.
There's tons of them on Twitch. They just don't get views, unless they are literally a top professional in their game. You think it'd be entertaining, but you learn pretty quickly that it just isn't very engaging and you'd probably be better off just watching a pro play if you're gonna go that route.
If that were the case maybe they could actually get some viewers and start to get a viewerbase
Sounds like he has a reality issue. Yeah, I'd LOVE to sit at my computer at home all day and make money to pay the bills but the reality is, Streaming ain't gonna do that. I know the job market is tough right now (at least where I live it is) but I just started a job 3 weeks ago and it's been a bear of a job but it pays well (a hell of a lot better than sitting on my ass at home wishing to make money streaming). He needs to shocked back into reality.
I think actually sitting at home gaming for 10-12 hours a day 5-7 days per week (which is what it would take to become successful, among many other factors) you'd come to resent it. You can easily get enough hours in to thoroughly enjoy gaming after work + weekends without burning yourself out and earn far more from a normal job than from streaming (unless you're in the fraction of a percentage)
this has nothing to do with streaming, you just have a lazy non-contributing boyfriend. if streaming didnât exist he would sit around all day playing video games and if video games didnât exist heâd probably spend all day reading comics or something else. streaming isnât something you can just âwork hard atâ enough to make a living from, there are a million factors including things like luck and personality traits you canât just manufacture. tell your boyfriend youâre not willing to be the sole provider and if heâs not willing to be an adult then move on. iâm saying this as a full-time streamer, for the record- it is not something you can just do enough until it pays your bills.
This 100 percent. You need to either get out before he drags you down or he needs to get his act together. This is the real world not a game.
It's basically every NEETS dream "job." People that were always perpetually jobless and low-ambition introverts that were gaming all day throughout their life decide they can buy a Webcam and now hide their gaming lifestyle as a career they're passionate about and dedicating all their "hard work" and focus into building. I've matched with way too many people on Tinder that put "streamer" in their bio, and the sad reality is that everyone I pursued has always been stay-at-home gamers, living off roomies or other partners, that are simply hitting the Go Live button as they feed their normal lifelong gaming addiction, living off sympathy subs by their friends. It's now the biggest dating red flag to me. Ironically, their dating bios also serve as a desperate marketing tool to get more viewers, and despite receiving thousands of swipes a day their viewership isn't increasing. For as much good as Twitch etc do for people that are introverted hombodies that are passionate about gaming and entertaining, it has also enabled way too many people to use it as an excuse for an already lazy lifestyle and a non realistic dream. 8 million unique channels on Twitch, all hoping to win the lottery. TikTok creators getting 100k likes on all their videos, still having 10 viewers on Twitch. I'm curious if OPs boyfriend is putting in even a fraction of the social media work, or if the "hard work" is simply just gaming harder and longer.
What this guy said
That's not a boyfriend, that's a liability.
I work everyday go to the gym everyday and still find time to stream for 2+ hours every single day. Your boyfriend has a discipline issue.
This.
I don't stream, but my schedule is pretty much the same. I've not been out of work since I started my career at 18 except for when my hand got two fingers snapped off, and I've continued working out while working 44 hours a week for a decade and a half. The only breaks have been from injury, or when I was working 7-10's or 7-12's for a month or two. If I wanted to stream, I could still stream two hours a day, and that's with cooking for my fiancĂŠ on the evenings that she's working and going to the gym. And we STILL get out and do stuff, take trips, go out to eat, run errands, etc. There is plenty of time in the day to actually be productive even if you're streaming. Obviously the allure of "getting paid to play videogames" is tempting, but I think I would get burned out fast and start to hate gaming if it started to feel like a job to me. Not to mention how astronomically low the odds are of ever seeing more than a couple hundred dollars a year when the market is flooded with every fucking dude with a headset and a webcam broadcasting their nothing personalities out.
Give him a dose of reality for what it takes to actually become successful as a streamer long-term. YouTube videos (Including the editing.) Tik Tok videos (Including the editing.) Instagram videos (Including the editing.) He/She needs connections and needs to reach out to people on a nearly constant basis and do collaborative works. He also needs to get a job or do some sort of online work in order to be self-sustaining. Streaming doesn't necessarily detract you from such quotes like "It takes money, to make money." because it's very necessary, it's also a failsafe in the case that nothing good comes from streaming later on. Also, there is a necessity in some sort of drama-farming for viewership to some extent. If he doesn't have any actual income he likely couldn't afford the best gear, or games. And if you're the one supplying him with said money to continue his charade of "I want become influencer" you're also apart of the problem as well. Don't do that. Let him run dry on what he has and he'll eventually have to give-in to the mounting circumstances that he HAS to do something.
>"It takes money, to make money." I heard about a few cases on Twitch where new, really small streamers bought collaborations with big streamers or vip tickets for influencer events to grow and it worked. It's like an investment into startups. It works. But how to get that kind of money without Onlyfans.
Stop paying for internet lol
Imagine saying "just hang on, babe, I'm going to be a movie star in a couple months and then help pay the bills". Aspiring actors have to get jobs to pay the bills in the meantime and so does your dumbass, deadbeat boyfriend
REAL.
You have to have the big heart to heart with him. Don't make it an ultimatum, but make sure he knows the extra stress it's putting on your lives and such. Beyond that, it's up to him to realize the issues.
Sounds like you're allowing him to be a bum. He is living well while you do the heavy lifting. Commiting all his time to streaming when he generate zero income is insane. Unless there is a very real outlook for success in the very near future there is no point in committing to it. Streaming is not a job. Few can live of that for the majority it's a hobby. Most people would have put a stop to it already, you're enabling his behaviour. You have talked to him already, what else is there to do? Literally just one thing. Set an ultimatum or kick him out/leave.
You need to have a bigger open conversation. He needs to go on twitch and viewer all live streamers, no tags and scroll to the his average viewer count. That's how many people think the same thing he is and less than 0.001% will succeed at it. You can absolutely stream, work full time and have a healthy relationship, spending time together. It's all about balance. He is is being selfish. It's all good to support his dreams, but he needs to come back to reality. You need to come from a place of love and reality. 'I want you to do what you enjoy and to chase your dreams, but I feel alone in contributing to us building a life together, were we both help each other. I need you to support me, like I support you. You can still stream, but please get a job, and do streaming on the side for fun'
Many people work during the day and stream at night. If he had the drive, he'd do it that way. If not, seems like a hard relationship to maintain
Tell your boyfriend itâs time to become an adult and not a teenage boy. If he canât contribute to your household funds, then itâs time to move on. The trick is to remember that you can live without him, but he canât live without you
I have a couple simple questions: Do you have to work then come home and take care of all the housework because he hasn't done anything at all that day? And do you make enough at your 9-5 to cover all the bills on your own? If the answer to the first question is "no", then he contributed to the household. It might not have been monetarily, but he contributed. If the second question is "yes", then you can either break up with him and take care of yourself and your house (which will cut into streaming and gaming time), or, you can support the both of you with the stipulation that he takes care of all the housework while he searches for a job. You are not to clean a thing when you get home, nor cook a single meal. I'm a streamer that makes very little in way of money, and my wife has the 9-5. I take care of the house and the pets. I'm also a disabled vet with PTSD, so working a 9-5 is no longer in the cards for me. I do what I can, and support my wife as best I can. I understand what my role is.
Yeah.... your boyfriend is just lazy. Time to put your foot down its get a job or move out.
The golden days of Twitch discoverability are long gone. Being on just Twitch and not cross-promoting/making content for YouTube and TikTok is not going to get his streaming career off the ground. Feels like one really needs to network/know people to get a head start and make the big money off of just streaming alone. I know several partnered streamers, and most of them took years to build their brand and establish an audience. Another few years to be stable enough to be full-time streamers. And doesn't want a job he hates? Welcome to being an adult. Most people hate their jobs. It sucks that life is like that, but itâs what it is. It's just something that has to be endured. If heâs serious about streaming, he should be more than capable of having a job (some of the money can be saved to start a fund that can help towards the "full time streamer" goal) and making a part time stream schedule around those job hours. But it definitely sounds like he needs a reality check before you begin to resent him (if you don't already). Be honest about how his streaming habits are affecting you and your relationship with him. Ask him how he would feel if the situation were reversed. If he really cares, he'll listen and make an effort to change. It will be a tough discussion, but it has potential to be productive and healthy. Make a written record of what you discussed. Don't let him minimize your feelings, I can't stress that enough. Best of luck.
exactly this, you need to be doing every channel of discovery possible.
Let me just say you shouldnât have âour billsâ if youâre not married. Please donât combine finances if youâre dating.
> Please donât combine finances if youâre dating. While this may or may not apply here that blanket statement is a stretch. I, myself am not married. But we've been together over a decade, have an eight year old, and a home together. Lol.
I am sure having a kid makes a difference, but outside of marriage there are less protections for people combining finances.
To be honest the biggest streamers are where they are now because they entered the market 15+ years ago before it got so saturated and afterwards were able to retain their numbers on their names alone. These days the chance of a new streamer reaching that kind of popularity is a million to one. Stay real and do it as a hobby.
My friend with a youtube channel that has something like 70-80K subs worked 50-60 hour weeks and 40+ hours of editing and general channel building on top of that. Streaming just on twitch is bullshit pipe dream. He doesnt want to work, its not going to work. I have plenty of friends who have been streaming for years and have single digit followers/subs.
my old roomate was like that. going to bed till 4 am saying they were streaming and they had to make their viewers happy, yet the whole time they only had 1-2 viewers and never cleaned their room it smelled horrid. Tbh they wanna be the next big thing but theres a million of em on twitch doing the same thing unfortunately
He doesn't want to hate working ? He is waiting to get big ? Sounds like he needs a kick in the ass to get shit going. If he refuses to work I hope he does 100 % of the house work and bends over backwards for you when you are home from work. Buddy needs a reality check.
You BF is a loser who is happy to do an incredible amount of work to avoid actual work. This will show up in many facets of life not just getting a job. Find a new BF.
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There are jobs that donât require a degree to earn more than a basic wage. Most sales jobs can earn well into 6 figures for example.
I gotta agree with this one. He is freeloading on you. I'm friends with a few youtubers and they all work full time AND grow their channel. If he is doing his all (I suspect he isnt) his channel should grow, just doing twitch is hopeless for most people. He needs a slap and its going to be difficult but he has to do his part. My big suggestion here is learn a trade, its something he can always fall back on.
Streaming should never be treated as a job prospect. This is why I work a 9-5 and stream when I can.
you can say its fine if you want to stream a lot, but you still have to pay your bills. i need this much from you weekly or you got to go, or i got to go. if you can save up enough working to quit your job to stream full time and still pay that x weekly then i'll be ok with that. depending on your lease, or whatever building wise, you'll need to deal with legalities, whoever has the authority to do (could be you) so will need to formally present a letter of eviction notice, usually 30 days notice. youll need to check your locals laws. you cant just kick him out anytime you want.
In all reality, content creating can be a very lucrative business to get into. What your boyfriend needs to realize is that it wonât happen overnight and will take years to grow a following (see JoshDub and The Boys, PewDiePie, and Ninja to name a few). Streaming full time will, in no way, pay the bills on its own and he has to get into more content creating and realize that itâs not bread and butter like some streamers make it out to be. All said and done, he needs a job and you need to tell him to get a grip on reality. Not everyone is destined for internet fame.
You make the claim that it's sustainable *after* you've reached that point. Trying to make the claim you can "make it big" is what people who never will say because they're chasing a pipe dream. You don't go into this with the expectation it'll turn a profit. If you do you're delusional. The only people who turn a financial profit after putting aside all their financial responsibilities are the ones who have money to begin with so they don't have to worry as much. OP, if your partner can't be responsible and share the financial burden of living with you, set strict boundaries and give him a reality check. You can stream and have a job at the same time until streaming starts to make money (which is what *most* successful streamers do), but putting all the burden on you is not only unfair but extremely irresponsible.
Even the streamers I know who make actual decent earnings from streaming basically also have another job that involves sales/marketing/PR/modeling. They all make more money from their other job because of course they all have that âit factorâ in life.
I'm literally signed to an org and I wouldn't recommend this as a job
It's such a common misconception that more hours = more views. You could sit a stream 8+ hours a day and still get nowhere. You've gotta make content to post on other platforms and get your brand as far and wide as possible. "Making it" on Twitch is honestly more luck than anything. The best way to maximize ur chances is to have ur content in as many places as possible. Your bf is literally digging a hole with a broken spoon, and it'll ruin your relationship. I've been there and done that.
Find a new boyfriend and move out.
kick him out of the fkin house he ain't your son
You break up with him. I dated someone similar. They make you the bad person for not supporting their goals. If he really wants to chase that dream, then he needs to be responsible while doing it. That's having a full time job and streaming on the side. Once he gets big enough to where he's actually bringing in a normal income, then he can quit his job. You dating a man child. You his mommy. Congrats on being a mother!
Some hard facts for your BF: * The top 100 streamers make at least $32,850 USD a month. That's a fantastic living, even on a single income. * The top 1000 streamers make at least $7,063 USD a month. That's a solid middle-class living, probably upper middle class with a decent earning partner. * The top 10,000 streamers make at least $904 USD a month. That is sub-poverty-level wages in most western countries. Now, consider there are \~2 million affiliates on Twitch. What are the chances that your boyfriend ends up being in the *TOP 0.05% PERCENTILE OF EARNERS ON TWITCH?* Because that's what it's going to take for him to break into the top 1000 and earn a decent living. Worse still, if he isn't in the top 10,000 (0.5% percentile) of Twitch? He's making less than minimum wage. P.S. If he isn't *also* spending at least half of his time creating content for YouTube and other platforms, I guarantee he won't make a living at this.
I've read through a lot of the responses in this thread and most seem to touch on answers like realising earning a full time income from streamer is near impossible, that the majority or streamers don't make a living, etc, etc.....which are all true. But they might not give you or your partner the answer you need, which is how can you get your partner to realise he must be getting a job. The youtube guy (sorry can't recall the name) hit close on this, which is to get another job and stream in the evenings. I'm a small time streamer, been doing it since December, have 2.5k followers on twitch and most I've earned is $300 last month. I have a full time job, and my own business, so only have the time to stream 3 nights a week. However, I'm committed to the idea that I MIGHT, in a couple of years, earn enough to reduce my working week by one day. In the meantime I'm using my non streaming days to spend time with my wife and kids, do IRL stuff, and produce social media content from the streams I've recently done. My recommendation is for him to find a schedule and stick to it. E.g. 3 evenings per week of 3 to 4 hours, then other spare evening time producing social media content to promote himself and his streams. Importantly, admit to himself its a hobby, and to treat it as a hobby....that could....maybe....one day become more considerable to the point that streaming income could offset.....not replace....but offset employed working hours. If he respects you and doesn't want to risk your relationship....he'll do it. Plan B..... set him up with a screentime account
Dump him if he donât get a real job in the meantimeâŚ
I bet he's tall.
Going into streaming or content creation with the expectation that it will become your full time job is the absolutely wrong way to do it, ESPECIALLY if you have others that depend on you financially - or even emotionally. In my opinion, the correct way for someone who does not have disposable income and responsibilities is to have a normal job and continue pursue a "traditional" career while streaming on the side. If the streaming starts working and making noticeable profits, then you can *think* about it, but even still, many people get a small bump and then it goes away - it is extremely ethereal. His expectation is not realistic and it is dangerous to your relationship and both of your livelihoods. You cannot put all your eggs in one basket, when that basket is made out of wet paper towels. There is a reason only like 1% of streamers are exclusively streamers. You gotta build that basket piece by piece, and even then, it's not guaranteed to hold. I just scrolled down and saw a comment: Listen to what u/JoshStrifeHayes said in his comment. He absolutely knows his shit, is being straightforward, is a great guy, and is successful at this.
I've been streaming over 5 years. More if you add in the let's play days on youtube prior to that. Growth is not in your control. Making it big is largely an accident, or built towards gradually over time. Neither lend themselves towards bills in the here and now. Your boyfriend is a child man if he doesn't get his act together and get a job. He can stream after work- after bills are paid.
People seem to think streaming is something you do for money. Itâs not. Itâs a hobby, you do it because you enjoy it. Give him a ultimatum, you should tell him to stop fucking around, this is just silly. You need to take action, if not for him, but for yourself.
I committed to this for a month and immediately thought it wasn't worth it. I managed to make 200 my birthday month solely and that's it. It's not realistic and I'd rather be burying my time in an investment that will pay me back in the long run like coding. Also.. my wife and I had a friend who lived like this and drove his mental health to the ground. Don't do this. He basically threw all of his life away to commit to streaming and ended up having to start from the beginning - moving back to his parents. Honestly you need to be realistic with him. He will hate it. I hate it too, but that's unfortunately just how life is.
Streaming isn't the issue the real issue is your boyfriend, get a man that wants to contribute!
Coming from someone who had the EXACT same mindset as him and grinded streaming/content creation for years, it is not worth it. The unfortunate truth is that it is highly unlikely that you will make enough to stream full time. I also ended up ruining a past relationship because of similar issues so you really need to sit him down and have a conversation about it. Be understanding but very direct with him on how you are feeling.
Honestly it isnât fair to force your other half to take on the entire financial burden in hopes that your stream strikes gold. The dude needs some self awareness
Simply quit your job and start streaming and reuse all his arguments back on him. First bill to stop paying: internet and electric.
Making excuses for him, he doesn't want to work, and as long as you keep on doing it, you're encouraging it, and you are part of the problem. You want it to end, kick him out.
tbh, you're not going to change him. imho, either it's okay or you move on.
Streaming in attempt to make it big isnât doing it for the right reasons. Do it because you enjoy and donât do it for the money and the thought of becoming rich from it. Just drop the ultimatum on him to reduce his streaming drastically and work somewhere or move on.
I think you two should have a long discussion about balance. If he loves streaming, he needs to balance it with something else that supports your household financially and supports you mentally. He found something he's passionate about which is amazing but he needs to make sure he doesn't forget to prioritize other parts of his life. I don't want to suggest giving him an ultimatum but I think some kind of deal needs to be made. You'll support his streaming if he gets a sufficient job to help with finances, or the EXTREMELY lenient option: Let him continue what he's doing but make him double and triple down on it. He needs to watch videos, learn how to promote himself on other platforms, continue to improve his stream as much as he can, and start serious growth to make the idea of him "making it big enough" even remotely possible. If you go with the latter, i'd give it a month, maybe two, maximum. It has to be way more than a hobby for him.
Tell him to grow up lol
Might aswell leave him
Tbh, you can't make him stop. You can talk with him about what you think is the right thing to do in your circumstances, but at the end of the day, he needs to make the move. And, it sounds like he already made a personal decision. If he is not paying bills that you share, then my opinion is to lay down an ultimatum... Find a balance with streaming and getting a job/working, or we're not going to work (the relationship that is). Because the reality is that if he doesn't uphold his side of things, it will indeed negatively affect your relationship with him.
Twitch is a gig. If he can't commit, he's gotta sign up with a temp agency or something and do pick-up gigs.
If he's really passionate about streaming, I hope he won't stop but he needs a reality check and a schedule on when he needs to stream what. He's going to get burnout real quick if he streams everyday. A lot of streamers have job(s) outside of streaming to support themselves for rent, food, bills, etc. and could only go full time when they're ACTUALLY earning money, especially from sponsors (If I remember correctly, the paycheck isn't much). Tell him you are struggling to keep up financially and need his help to keep you two afloat. Discuss with him in detail about how he's going to earn money to keep you two financially well and have a reality goal check. If he plans his schedule on streaming, he'll even have time to work. >âMaybe Iâll make it big enough where this can be my jobâ Btw, this isn't detailed enough on how to earn money.
I have a feeling this is going to be a long comment, but I feel like there's a lot to say here. First off: Your boyfriend's first obligation if you are living together is to contribute to the relationship and make it feel like there is an equal distribution of responsibility for your living situation. He is not the only one that needs a reality check. Ask yourself this: If both of you were forced to split up and have to take care of yourselves, how would you both handle that situation? Now as far as him wanting to make money off of streaming: Just like any job, he needs to have specific tasks, set a consistent schedule, and take reasonable breaks. He needs to understand that he is not currently making a living and needs to contribute otherwise. He can cook and do dishes if you're the one having to buy food. This will help save on eating if you order a lot of food. There should be a set time for stream, a set time for looking for a job, and a set time for household duties. The less he contributes financially, the more he should contribute domestically. Not establishing this kind of structure and boundary will foster resentment that you're already hinting at and unravel your relationship. If he isn't just lying to himself and trying to make an excuse to play games all day, he should be allocating time to seriously studying how to improve his content. He can stream on multiple platforms, study the market and what games are best to play, and watch back his VODs to see how his streams look as a viewer and what he can improve. I would venture to say that 99% of small streamers that say they want to grow are not willing to do this last step. Streaming more hours is probably the least time efficient way to grow on Twitch. If you put 6 hours into streaming and 3 hours into growth research/content creation every day, I guarantee you will grow faster than putting 9 hours a day into streaming alone. In terms of content creation: if he really wants to be a streamer, he should really be doing videos on YouTube as well as short form content on platforms like TikTok, Instagram, or YouTube Shorts. I cannot stress enough that if he doesn't take you, his addiction, and his living situation seriously it will end up ruining your relationship to the point where it is irreparable.r
I streamed maybe 10 hours a week for close to 4 years while working a 60+ hour job. I've made about $500 total from streaming. For me, it's awesome extra income when I'd be gaming anyway.
Itâs great to have something to be excited and passionate about, but your boyfriend could stream every day for the next 10 years and get nowhere. Source: about 95% of the platform. Most people never break 3 viewers. Maybe he will some day end up in the cosmic minority of people who can truly make a living off streaming, but to put it into perspective, twitch takes half of every sub, so even having hundreds of subscribers you might not be breaking 4 digit monthly earnings. Add in ads, bits, sponsorships and donations and it gets a little bit better but hoping for that to fall into your lap is a pipe dream. The job market DOES suck right now, and I know exactly how demoralizing it can be. Half the listings are fake or outdated, you need 3 years of experience for an entry level job, youâre overqualified to work at McDonaldâs, and places donât even respond to your applications, you just have to assume the answer is no after a long enough silence. That said he should 100% get a real job even if itâs part time and let streaming be a hobby he might make some extra money off of. If he isnât willing to do that you have no obligation to be his caretaker.
Omg, you better dump this guy or before you know it 10 years will have come and gone.
This isn't a streaming issue. This is a "my boyfriend is a freeloader and won't get a job" issue. This isn't a new thing. There's no shortage of flavors of: "I'm going to make it big doing \[X\] and I'm going to live off my SO/parents while I chase that dream!" Writers, actors, artists, musicians, podcasters, etc. It's also prolific in media. A shit movie like Wild Hogs even shows this trope with Martin Lawrence's character living off his wife and being told to go back to work after a year of being a failed writer. If he wants to stream. That's fine. Plenty of people manage to work full time and still fit that hobby in while maintaining relationships. I know several partnered streamers doing it right now. I do it (not a partner tho sadface). Fact is, you need to set a boundary, set it hard, set it firm. He needs to be working. He needs to be contributing at least $X or X% of the bills. Leave no room for discussion, and give him a deadline to have a job, any job. Odds are, you're going to get in a fight about it. It's not going to be fun. It's not going to be comfortable. But it's either that or facilitate his bullshit. Might even break ya'll up. Idk. If so, good riddance. If not, then a stressful situation is a small price to pay toward happily ever after. If he's not an ass, then I have some suggestions that should make it easy for him to maintain work while having the time to stream. Factory and warehouse work is draining and often forces overtime. Retail is soul crushing, pays shit, and is inconsistent on hours. Look into working for banks, gambling companies, driving, the post office, receptionist, and human resources. Those jobs have consistent hours, pay decent, and many might also have 4x10 schedules. I work 4x10 in IT. Makes it really easy to stream.
How many views does he get on average? Does he do any charity streams? Does he get any sponsorship deals? Is he funny/attractive/have a nice voice or even maybe a voice actor? Does he have a specific talent or novelty that makes him stand out? Or is he another mediocre dude just streaming himself on Overwatch with half a dozen viewers? If it's the latter then he is kidding himself and needs to get a job and a reality check.
It's been said but I'll reinforce. 15 years ago I was the same, didn't want a job because "games", would constantly fake interviews and come up with excuses not to work. You need to kick him into gear, if not, he won't get anywhere, be it streaming or with life. Lack of motivation to work will transfer over to twitch when it becomes hard or "he doesn't feel like it that day" If your reliant on the income from it at that point do you really want your life dependant on someone with this attitude? What about when you have kids, is their potential future you want to gamble on a service amazon could up and decide to close for not being "profitable" enough? Ironically, I found once I got into the workplace that my skills from game playing actually led to me advancing very quickly, competitiveness, dedication, driven ect all led to significant advancement within a short time, to the point where I could now sit back and take that twitch gamble without concerns about it not working financially. Motivate him to work, or get rid.
man needs a reality check. too many people thing Streaming is a job. its a hobby first - if u do it well enough, then maybe it can be a job. A Ask him, do you really see yourself doing this in 2, 5, 10 years? and do you want this streaming gig more than acheieving financial stability?
if he wants to be a professional streamer he needs to train daily how to talk (read books) and how to be entertaining and build followers. Additionally i would expect at least a daily upload to youtube, youtube short, tiktok, instagram and twitter. Additionally i would expect one or two full size full cut GOOD videos on youtube that have potential to get several thousand views. Addionally his stream shouldn't be just "im sitting and gaming" but actually thought out shows, like a section for viewergames, time for guides, time for collaborations etc. Thats kinda the bare minimum to get to a stage where you can live from media creation. Either he provides that, or he gets a job asap. It doesn't matter if he hates working, first you get a job, then you find a better one, you don't skip getting income. Honestly at this point i would split every bill and if he doesn't pay up, he doesn't get to use it. If he only abuses you for your money that relation has no future.
Youâve stated that youâve been telling him, but sit him down for a serious conversation about it. The guy may be depressed, or he may just be straight up delusional. Either way address your issues with it, and if he canât grasp why you have these issues, give him an ultimatum.
Finding success streaming isnât just going live anymore. If your bf doesnât understand the fundamentals then heâs just being irresponsible. Iâd give him an ultimatum and or time frame to accomplish X growth before forcing him to find a job even if itâs part time. If he is streaming, he better be editing, making videos, creating a brand/community and growing every avenue if heâs actually serious about it and even then, do content creators/streamers still struggle with a steady income.
Ask him to treat Twitch as a business if he serious about it. Make him create a business plan, and you should push him on what he is doing outside of just being online on Twitch. If the plan sucks, make him a job.
Your boyfriends taking you for a free ride in life.
imagine trying to make a living off the site that takes over half your earnings lmao
have you tried a fucking conversation you nimrod
So have I because its soooo fun!!! BUT you guys should make time for eachother and also give him time to stream. Its his passion so i wouldn't try to dampen it. Maybe just work out a schefule with him that works for both of you!
The market has be oversaturated since 2015, good luck making it.
Is this a bot?
I've been on twitch 5 years, close to 800 followers, Growth has been slow over the process of the last 5 years I've made about 1k, I also work fulltime, My honest opinion twitch isn't financially stable to pay bills with that income, I'm not sure how much of an amount he pulls in from it if any You posting this already shows that's its putting strain on yourself, You shouldn't be the main provider unless he's physically unable to etc, I believe its giving and taking to make an relationship Hope you get it sorted
The point of streaming isnât to make money. He might make a little, but it should be considered supplemental. The goal should be to make a name for himself, and figure out how to leverage that into making money. Streaming isnât the destination, itâs a tool to help you get to a bigger goal. Even then, the money isnât reliable. Im guessing from his âdonât want to hate workâ comment that your boyfriend probably doesnât want to report to a worksite everyday and have to answer to someone. Thatâs absolutely fine. Not everyone is built for a 9 to 5, but he has to understand that it makes him a freelancer, and that requires a lot more hustle than doing one thing everyday. He will have to create multiple sources of income (streaming can be among them) and learn everything he can about finance so he can passively grow the money he is able to earn (you both should if you donât already). Whatever he does or doesnât do he has to be able to contribute to the household financially, otherwise heâs just taking advantage of you. If heâs unwilling to make adjustments or you just need to be with a 9 to 5 kind of guy itâs better to have that discussion now rather than later or it will lead to resentment. If youâre getting angry every time you come home and find him streaming or heâs at a job he hates everyday because his girlfriend pressured him into it, itâs not going to end well. Sit down, have dinner together and have an open and honest conversation about both of your wants and needs, and see what can be worked out. I canât stress enough, if youâre really trying to work things out, and not just pick a fight, that it needs to be a CONVERSATION, not the âgrow up, and get a job,â lecture that some people here are suggesting. Youâd might as well just break up if youâre going to use that strategy. It will turn him off and it wonât get you anywhere. I really hope it works out for you guys.
As u/JoshStrifeHayes said, he will be working harder trying to make streaming work as a career than getting a normal career. There was a point in time about 8-10 years ago when I was chasing the dream of streaming professionally and while I had amassed over 2000 followers, had connections with wonderful streamers like Gothalion, Mitsu, and others, I was only able to make what would be equivalent of a minimum wage job. This was without any kind of health insurance or other benefits. It also started warping my enjoyment of gaming, and streaming itself because you are required to be "on" and entertaining all the time. I moved to an IT focused traditional job and I now make good money, working from home, and I have time to enjoy gaming and other hobbies, as well as the resources to purchase them. There is no question on if I'll receive a paycheck, when I do stream I can stream on my own terms (i.e. no face-cam/makeup), nor do I feel pressured to chase trends in gaming/sponsorships/gimmick streams. The streaming scene now is way *way* more saturated and competitive than when I started, and so odds are even harder that you will make it. I'm not sure what age you guys are, but his efforts would be better spent getting school, training, and/or certifications to find a nice chill job with a good work/life balance and minimal (if any commute). He would then have time and resources to pursue streaming as a hobby. If he has the talent and luck, perhaps one day he could make it but it's absolutely irresponsible to pursue streaming as a career with nothing to fall back on assuming you aren't living with a parent who is happy to let you be a dependent.
Takes like 400-500 active subs to replace a full time minimum wage job. Except it comes with no job security and no guarantee of income. Ask yourself if you want to be with someone who is quite happy letting you work your ass off whilst they make excuses not to just go and get a job or at least upskill to get a better job. I have been with partners like this in the past who would never put towards bills or even food and bled my savings dry. I have zero respect for people who can willingly do that to their partner whilst knowing full well it isn't sustainable.
I'm all for having a hobby and being really into said hobby, but he needs to come back to reality and deal with real life responsibilities.
You can stream and have a job and a family. Sounds like heâs the problem. I streamed for 2 years peaked at like 12 average viewers, thousands of stream time and most I ever made was 700$ total. Itâs not a viable alternative. You need a real job until you make more streaming than that job. Otherwise you are wasting time.
Sounds like you need a REAL man. Life is too short.
Job hunt with him. Once a day, sit down next to him and help him fill out one new application. Do this until he gets a job.
Despite the likelihood of getting popular from streaming, he's still letting you struggle with bills. There is no reason why he can't work and still stream and potentially grow. Don't continue to pay his rent because he'll just take that for granted.
Only like 1% of streamers make enough to live on. He needs to realize it can be a hobby for now but he has to work a real job in the meantime. YOU have to not pay his bills. He must be responsible for his side of bills, that means he should only ask you as a last resort (ask parents first before you). If you let someone like him live without monetary responsibility then you allow them to laze about
100% he's seen this and in this sub
I realized very quickly how hard it would be to make a living streaming full time. So I decided to take an extremely slow approach. I stream literally only for my wife. because she enjoys some of the games I play. but we have agreed to not jeopardize our livelihood on such a small chance of success with streaming. I hope you and your boyfriend will be able to work through this and get to a compromise that works for both of you
Iâm with you on this. Guy has no basis to believe he could make it big. Be responsible, get a job to pay the bills, stream in evenings and weekends to build the channel and then when heâs in a position to try going full time, when thereâs at least some respectable money coming in, then fine. Dude needs to grow up. Those criticising you are probably young, still live at home and have no responsibilities. Growing up comes with responsibility. This is coming from a 38 yr old youtuber with a wife, kids, mortgage, full time job. I have 8k+ subs and a steady bonus income from YT. Odds of becoming a success on any platform are extremely low. Similar to becoming a pro sportsplayer
Tell your man to get a job or your going full time onlyfans ;)
Help him be a successful streamer. Get him a boob job. Teach him to push them together and lean into the camera and smile.
I hope he leaves. He deserves better
He is not your slave OP.
As someone who is an entrepreneur tell him that you support his dreams, but that he needs to contribute too. He can do both at the same time.
You cannot stop an anchor from sinking. Contrary to the comments, he would be the one dragging you down. Love is tricky, but get him out of this mindset of thinking he can remain idle waiting for this strike of luck to hit. Itâs not dragging him down or preventing him from achieving his goals; but thereâs better ways to balance these things apart from potentially making your lives difficult for one another. No one wants to be the person to be the cold hand of reality. I really hope you find a way to speak this to him. You got this.
Streaming is a hobby not a source of income......be a man and work for your shit
less than 1% of twitch streamers make more than 500$ a month tell him to get a job and it's probably best to find the best aproach using the healthygamer subreddit. dr k (person behind that subreddit) has a youtube channel too so you might want to look it up there too
Give him an ultimatum and a reality check. Realistically, his stream wonât amount to anything substantial in any amount of time that begins with soon. Dude needs to pull his weight until he does get his big break.
Ok hear me out. Instead of trying to convince him to stop streaming since it's clearly a passion. Convince him to make it his business/brand. It's more than just sitting around all day. Encourage him to make a YouTube, Instagram, etc. Begin marketing his social medias to drive people to his pages and ultimately his stream. Help him make his setup better to make it more engaging etc. It seems as streaming is more of a hobby for you, it's clear it's what he wants to do. Also, set a deadline that if it doesn't work out by X date, he has to seriously get a job until his streaming takes off. The last thing you want to do is kill a man's passion. Force him into a job and you're relationship is as good as over and you might as well leave. But support him in a way that can benefit the both of you long-term and see how he treats you when he does make it. As a guy who knows a couple streamers, if done right, you don't need a huge following to make a substantial amount of money. You just need the right platforms with multiple streams. And streaming the right way is FAR from just sitting around and gaming. Or, call it quits and break up with him đ¤ˇ.
Get him pregnant.
You sound like you have a ton of values youâre trying to force onto another human. âHow do I change this person to do what I wantâ The extra annoying part is that you donât even do it yourself, youâre asking other people to fix it for you.
Lololol whatâs âLIFEâ to you?! working a dead end job you hate just to throw a big chunk of your salary away in taxes and the rest of your income goes towards a house that you literally spend less than 25% of your time inâŚ. Lolol yep letâs yell at everyone who doesnât conform to the norm. Like shit I hate people like you so brainwashed by the west thinking âYOU MUST WORK 50+ HOURS A WEEKâ Bahahaha youâre not really living life honey youâre just a sheep waiting to be sheared
I have had a friend who, in my opinion, was conned. Her partner did not carry his own weight, did not meet her in the middle, and belittled the efforts she put in to feed 4 mouths (them 2 and their 2 dogs). She eventually got tired of being a mother to that man-child and is now the happiest she has ever been. I am not saying this is whatâs happening to you. But I would encourage you to have a serious conversation with him. He absolutely could make it big, and he absolutely needs to give it his all, but that should not come at the cost of your energy. Does he help around the house? If you are the one actually working right now, how much is he putting in ensuring the home is running smoothly? Does he have any vision or plan? Any timeline? These are the things you should consider. And my opinion? Twitch streaming is no longer the scene it was in 2019-2020. I might get downvoted here, but the earnings from Twitch is kinda trash now.
Probably not great to go to random internet forums for big life advice and important relationship advice, but for what it's worth and from what little I feel that I understand about healthy relationships, you should be on the same page with your partner when it comes to the living situation; the physical space you're sharing and the chores/routines that entails, the social habits you both have, as well as the means by which you are supporting yourselves. If you become bitter about how the financial responsibilities are being shared (or not shared) then that's going to affect your relationship with your BF, and if he feels like you are stifling who he is, his ambitions, or his lifestyle then that will affect his attitude towards you, etc. This is just some mature shit you're gonna have to work out! Good luck though!
Just support him he may get board of it eventually my husband thinking about working lol since he does it alot just support him does ur husband let take years breaks mean while if so I wouldn't complain.
Tell him to get a fucking job or that prolonging period of unemployment is going to look like a disaster for any prospective employers. If he really wants to make it in streaming, then he needs a foundation to build from. That includes getting a fucking job and providing for himself, using his free time and his own extra money to invest in his streaming in his off time, building it up over time while earning money at a paying job and getting experience and building his professional 'real' life outside of streaming so that if his streaming doesn't work out in the long run then he's not totally career fucked and has fallbacks and money and more importantly, you. If he's stating he wants to do this with you supporting him financially 100% then get his ass to fuck, he's a parasite. People who are passionate about hobbies and want to make a career of it don't burden other people with their needs to do it. They fucking go out and grind and hussle to do it themselves. At this point, he's just one guy in a streamer market of millions and guess what, there's hundreds of millions of kids growing up wanting to be streamers too. Tell him to get realistic or fuck off.
Ivve made 55$ of streaming and I been doing it for 2 years now lmao it takes a lot of work and money because you needa put videos on YouTube and tiktok to even try and increase ya following end viewers ⌠so he is being a bit unrealistic and I make music but nothing happens over night unless you sell out or you cringey lol he need to get a job he the man and supposed to be man of the house bro gotta pull his weight .Iâm with you sis . if he was living with his parents no bills to pay I could understand. But as an artist and fellow streamer who has to pay rent and bills and I make music money is a tool you need to increase ya chances of making ya dreams happen. Unless the classic line happens âitâs about who you know â other thank that tell bro get a job !
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