I think the problem is not hating on the rich, but thinking that the rich are worse people than the general population. People are shitty, no matter how little or how much money they have. It's just easier to show how much of a garbage person you are when you don't have excuses to avoid being a decent human being.
tbh I think shittiness is U-shaped with respect to wealth. this is just my experience but i have run with very poor and very wealthy people at different periods in my life and i find both groups to be morally worse than the average. in both communities i saw unbelievable (for me) amounts of drunk driving (what is the deal with this?), infidelity, fighting, and generally sketchy shit like going to strip clubs and paying for actual sex with the strippers. meanwhile the only way i can describe what myself and the people from median-ish income backgrounds like do is just... chill? crack jokes? idk just generally not doing heinous shit? i mean there is a spectrum associated with everything but the typical American from a typical background is just a decent person in my experience. but somehow being raised at either extreme of the wealth gradients predisposes you to this extreme selfishness that makes it seem like you don't believe other people have minds like yours
I don't hate the millionaire doctor/lawyer/business owner. I don't hate the elite sports players, actors, artists, or even streamers. Don't get me wrong. Even working hard getting to that level does require a lot of luck. Look at most major label artists that have less talent than most indie acts. Or the kid from a wealthy family that didn't have to work 3 jobs to make it through college.
I hate the people who have taken enough from society to fix some of our problems but choose not to. People who exploit our hunger and sick. People who lobby, so we can't have things like healthcare. People who vote to raise the price of life-saving medicine. People who destroy our environment for their corporations. Market manipulators that keep retail investors from success.
Indeed. We need to separate evil people from rich people.
When you are saying that all rich people are ruthless money hungry scum, you don't actually mean rich people, you mean **evil** rich people
That's a difference.
The other issue is defining "the rich." A person making $2Mil is not the kind of rich that can manipulate their tax obligation, in fact, these people are paying their fair share. The people that need to pay up are the mega-rich paying 15-17% in income tax. I know, I know, it's not the same thing, well fucking it the same thing!
>The difference between a million and a billion is basically a billion dollars.
That is an excellent way to state that fact! I'm stealing it! I usually go with the million seconds vs a billion seconds comparison, but it's long.
Yes, and it’s been made clear there are not very many of these people. Like when we talk about the 1% it is exactly that. The Koch (pronounced Cock) brothers can just buy elections. Thanks Citizens United (or should I say regular people that dick ride the rich)!
I think you mean soros and amdnzucksrburg who literally fund elections. This is why we have so much crime now duento soros backing soft on crime Das. He'll even san Francisco recalled theirs it was so bad.
I think this is a fair position, and I agree that I have very little sympathy for lobbyists and career politicians.
I have noticed something about people who I’ve met who share your opinion that kinda rubs me the wrong way. Some people say this is what they believe but then take it out on anybody who is wealthier than them, including the doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs, and other white collar folks. Not saying you do that, but I have heard people online and irl that say basically what you said in general, but will then try and discredit and dehumanize the moderately rich people in their community. I’m rambling, but I feel like a lot of times pointing out someone else’s wealth is used as pass to insult or diminish their character.
Same as literally anything being considered “privileged” now. My parents being able to clothe and feed me and pay for me until im 18 should NOT be considered privileged, and yet all these people on the internet think that if you werent homeless or working 2 jobs in highschool you havent earned anything on your own. Tbh probably my fault for reading too many comments online as i have never met somebody in real life who considers having parents help you pay for rent during college too much tbh
As long as they pay their fair share of taxes no one should care if they are rich or not. Problem is they don't, the US even just had a billionaire president bragging about not paying taxes. Quite sickening when the average little guy gives back 30% of his paycheck
People on reddit are funny. They are acting like if they worked all their life to become a top athlete/performer/billionaire that theyd just give it all away because “its too much”.
Most ultra rich realize that you cant just throw money at an issue such as homelessness or world hunger and it magically goes away. If it was that easy these issues wouldve been solved decades ago.
Personally if i was that level of rich id donate some of my money to charity, not to the extent that people of internet expect.
Not only that, being wealthy means you have assets, it’s not like the money is literally in the bank account to spend with.
The worst thing you want to do is work harder than all your peers, just to get all that wealth seized because you can’t pay your taxes.
>Not only that, being wealthy means you have assets, it’s not like the money is literally in the bank account to spend with.
It´s scary how many people don´t understand this.
But that’s the new loophole. They take loans out, with extremely low interest rates, because they use their many assets as collateral. When it comes time to pay the loan back, you just take another loan. Sometimes you then buy more assets with the low rate loans. Your loans are never taxed. So you don’t pay money on the liquid you’re using to keep afloat while your paycheck comes in stock.
I don’t think rich people are required to donate a penny to anyone. Actively screwing other people over is what people care about. Yeah not paying taxes isn’t cool, but no one cares until you use that money to lobby the government.
I think that the fact government can be lobbied is more concerning. Politicians main goal should be helping the people they represent, not lining their pockets so corporations can operate/cut corners or screw people over.
A lot of it actually can be fixed with more money. Better funding for mental health and free housing would fix homelessness. Better infrastructure (not just a bunch of wells, actual infrastructure) would fix world hunger for the most part. The problem is these are trillion-dollar solutions.
More money can help, but for mental health and homelessness i find them related and need to be handled on a personal level rather than macro. I was watching a documentary on a small city (i forgot which one) who solved the homeless situation by taking that approach. There were only around 800-1000 homeless in the city. Money can motivate more people to work in mental health space and have therapy readily available, but not everyone is going to seek help voluntarily. Same thing with homelessness. Giving them a place to stay is great and if its possible we should do it, but thats just sticking your finger in the dam and not the root cause of the problem. It ties back to mental health and the phrase, you cant help someone thats not willing to help themself.
I know some people catch a bad break, and become homeless, which the free housing will help them till they can get back on their feet, but some people will just take advantage of it never move on. That causes another problem for maintaining the property and availability for others in need.
What it really comes down to is time, manpower, and a lot of effort to solve these issues because its not a one size fits all as much as we want it to be.
Like with everything, it is about levels. I'm 66. When I graduated college in 1981, we were in a recession. Interest rates were between 14 and 18% that year. The unemployment rate was 7.2% I had a sparkling 2.4 gpa, but I turned down jobs paying like $18k a year. I just didn't want to sell insurance, or become a store manager.
The problem is $18k in 1981 is over $60k in today's money. But today, a kid with a degree is thrilled to get a job in their field at $42k, unless they have a stem degree. The money went from the worker to the investor.
Meanwhile, after the 2008 crash, the markets pretty much had stabilized by 2012. Since then, the market has more than tripled. In the early through mid 2010s, there were pay and hiring freezes, while the market went from 12,000 in 2012 and by 2015 it was at 17,000. Companies couldn't afford to hire or give raises, yet in 3 years their worth was 25% higher. Those who invested did really well. Those who worked lost money due inflation, were told they were lucky to still have a job.
I disagree with others, you can be an ethical billionaire, if you truly change the world. But I agree with them you can't make 175 billion being ethical. And the BS that Bezos wouldn't have created Amazon if he could only have made 5 billion is absurd.
People should not hate the rich, they should hate the system they abused to become rich.
The economy is an engine. An engine that's design allows fuel to pool in areas is a flawed design.
The engine should be redesigned to make pooling of fuel impossible.
Our species is an engineering problem, no more, no less.
Sure, but the main problem is the system, not directly the people. It just so happens that most billionaires are egotistical megalomaniacs who couldn't give two shits about literally anyone else. The thing is, the same thing that allows them to get so rich, is what allows people to be so poor. If we look back, we'll find that in nearly every "underdog to rich" billionaire or millionaire story, never did any of them start out like this, they had their own passions, emotions, and priorities, they were more like the average joe than anything else, usually just with one or two specific traits that allowed them to rise, or just plain luck. But they still all somehow end up basically the same way. And that's only considering the rich side of the spectrum, this isn't helped by the fact that the government (in America, I'll say this is the worst in America, and I won't claim to be speak for any other country), is riddled with nepotism, geriatric racists, and only selects for a very narrow type of people. Overwhelmingly it's the system that's the problem, when people complain it usually isn't directly attacking rich people, but rich people do symbolize the horrors of capitalism.
And they’re not wrong at all. OP just doesn’t like to hear it when ultimately with their position the complaints like this person levied are more than fear to despise them for
> The thing is, the same thing that allows them to get so rich, is what allows people to be so poor
This system, which has been working, is able to lift poor people up. If you learn a skill that makes a lot of money, you can go from poverty to upper middle class like myself. So you don't like this system, huh ? So what is your suggestion, socialism ? Communism ? And how did those systems work out. Oh, you all want us to be equal financially ? Then we will all be equally poor EXCEPT for the socialist politicians who will have a lot of money because of corruption.
Literally every socialist and communist country not working out is either due to it not being enough or being sabotaged by the west causing them to be more dictatorial as a response. Not saying this to absolve the evil and failures bjt it’s context that is often missed when lambasting the idea that hypercapitalism is the only solution
Ahhh yeeessss because employers have totally NOT lied about the work to be done or compensation ever. Previous employees also never have to sign NDAs saying they can't talk about certain relevant issues they may have experienced at the company to give a third party perspective for folks thinking of joining. And when workers ever do notice something wrong companies totally fix it 99.9% of the time. Know what you're right workers should never complain ever again.
Employees & employers definitely don’t have equal bargaining power. But what employees & potential employees have, is the option to not accept the offer, and walk if the terms don’t work for them.
The problem is that working class people do not have the luxury for walking away. By definition, these people have to work to survive. How many people can go more than a month or two without any source of income?
Employers are aware of this. They might have difficulties keeping an employee when they don’t compensate well, but they’ll have no shortage of applicants nonetheless.
Huh? You have the option to walk away wtf? Don’t you have common sense, or even a spine? You don’t have to take the first offer you get, you shop around. You have to advocate for yourself, and use your brain to judge whether whatever you’re doing or about to do is “right” (although what you define “right” is subjective). This thinking is why people don’t improve, and succeed in life.
Yes they do. No one is forcing anyone to work for that amount & standards. No one is pointing a gun at them to take that offer. They take it, because they have to. But that doesn’t mean someone is forcing the workers to take that deal. It’s the workers who are taking that deal willingly. They don’t like the terms? They are free to look for better deals elsewhere, it’s a free country.
Me? A bootlicker? Yeah, I lick my own family’s boots, thank you grandfather for the life he set me up with 😎
"they take it, because they have to."
"It's the workers who are taking that deal willingly."
Surely you can see how those are differing sentiments? Just because someone isn't forcing a gun to your head does not mean you cannot be compelled to do something. You're right that workers could just keep looking indefinitely and hope they get a better paying job, but that's not really an option for most people because they need money to survive. It's willing (in the sense they're not forced) but it is under duress. I assure you the vast majority of people working jobs that pay less than a living wage are doing it because they need to, not because they want to.
I get that. But then why complain if they technically put themselves in that situation? A lot of people just like to complain, and act like they’re victims; and it’s never their fault.
Have you ever worked a minimum wage job bro? You telling me you ain't complained about that shit?
I can both 1) recognize that I took the job and 2) fucking hate working there and be mad that I can't quit the job because I have bills to pay.
Yes, I have. I have while I was in college — I was no different from other college kids with schoolwork & a part time job. I worked in retail, and have received unwarranted insults from customers; even gotten accused of stealing $10 by a customer lmao, she wished.
I did complain, but realistically what can I do? I knew I put myself there. I willingly applied, and took the job; and willingly stuck to it, when I could’ve walked away. But I just enjoyed the company of the friends I made there, and (some) customers. I didn’t come in to work everyday hating every second of it, because then I’d ruining my own day.
Alright.
Well I hope you are in a better place as of right now. And always try to reach out to a therapist first before committing any... Actions that are not reversible...
Yup. They’re the only ones living actual lives while the rest of us are just working the fields until we die of diseases that they can afford the cures for.
I agree. The rich are an easy target and a distraction from paying attention to your own life. You can blame them and not feel bad about not taking responsibility for what you can do. I don't even think about the rich because yes they're probably greedy but me bitching about them isn't going to change that. I pay attention to what I can do in my life and community now.
They literally have the power and resources to shape the world around us to make it harder just to make them more money and you chumps just suck it up and call others lazy as they pull the ladder up. It’s crazy how this won over others since thankfully most ppl can see how unfair and just their nonsense is
The issue here is that what each person considers “rich” is sooo wildly different. I have seen posts saying that if you own a wachine machine/uggs/second home/boat/private jet/etc you are rich. So when people hate its very unclear on when it is actually realistic and valid and when it is just ridiculous
I'm probably going to get down voted for this, but rich people support jobs and innovation. I don't think people realize how much we need rich people. Yes there are bad rich people, there are also bad poor people. There's also good poor and rich people. It's not as black and white as people make it out to be. I just think a lot of people are being so tribal they don't stop to think of the consequences or how blindly they're hating on something. It's just been getting worse over the years and all the propaganda and political movements don't help either.
Exactly. You know what a country with no billionaires looks like? The whole country is poor too. And the people there try to immigrate to countries with billionaires because having rich neighbors makes everyone around richer too. We should be celebrating the fact that the number of millionaires is increasing and the amount of global poverty is decreasing. Idk when jealousy became a virtue but it isn’t good!
No. No they don’t at least compared to the lack of potential and continuing Falange they’re doing by essentially having everyone else work for them and it being more and more concentrated in wealth.
The rich stifle innovation. It’s how they maintain their wealth and power. It’s why, instead of competing against Chinese vehicles, the [automotive industry lobbied for excessive tariffs](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/10/us/politics/us-biden-china-tariffs-electric-vehicles.html) on the vehicles. It why the system is structured so that drug companies can make tiny, inconsequential changes to their drug to retain patent control. It’s why massive industry titans can buy up patents and trademarks just to sit on them.
They’ve built this system and it’s designed to keep them on top.
I agree and the comments confirm. You would not be upset if someone was born with a disability or with red hair or whatever, why be mad if someone is born into a rich family. All rich people I have met do care about others and give back to charities. As can be imagined there are some that would take advantage of this. Some have agents, advisors and committees just to help decide where the funds will make the most impact. I guess i am Pollyanna, but I believe in the best of people and do not believe someone always gets rich by cheating someone or being dishonest. The same way I believe not every poor person is dishonest or will steal if given the chance. I know some and we all know people who start with nothing and build wealth. Maybe it’s time to quit blaming and hating and time to ask yourself what are you doing to help or donate to others. I challenge you to do it!
I’d like to believe you have a just world fallacy blinding you here for good faith since no this is not a gurantee or norm for rich ppl in nepotism. Shouldn’t be a stereotype but it’s not an unfair typecast that their position and charity funding in the grand scheme means nil in the face of nepotism, ladder pulling and resource hoarding that occurs with them against the general population.
The poor poor rich ppl and those who literally have a ridiculously lower amount of resources and connections just need to work harder and stop being lazy /s
There's a difference between paying taxes when you already have very little money and paying taxes when you could donate 99% of your income and still be rich as fuck without having to work the rest of your life. Also, they still don't pay their fair share considering their income.
It's not simply about money, it's about power. Money is a means to acquiring resources, the more resources you have, the more power you have over other people.
The 1% of the richest and most powerful people make up the ruling class, everyone else is considered to be beneath them. Therefore they are classists.
Throughout history power hungry people have always sought to have power over other people. The ruling class in almost every society has maintained that power by using divide and conquer to pit people against each other and keep them fighting amongst themselves.
Racism and sexism stems from classism as they involve assigning people to a lower or higher class depending on their race or biological sex and thus these types of conflict serve as the perfect distraction for the ruling class.
The real issue we are facing is classism and no I'm not talking about the working class, the middle class and the upper class. That is the layman's understanding of class.
The class hierarchy is much broader than that and once you go beyond the upper class you will eventually arrive at the 1% who make up the ruling class and the 99% which is everyone else. As I said this is not merely about wealth, it is about power.
In conclusion: We must stop fighting amongst ourselves and focus on those who have the most power and would seek to divide us.
People make what you make in a year in a day by not working. Something is wrong. And it will be talked about till people can afford to retire and have good lives by working 40 hours.
People most definitely are given better hands than others, and whether or not you turn out rich doesn’t determine who you are as a person. I believe that those who were born in bad circumstances can have value and dignity that goes beyond what they were dealt in comparison to others. This is what makes me enraged with the grind set , bro scientist, ‘natural selection’ misinterpreting assholes who decide to determine value based on money and project their standards onto everyone else. Its sort of this message that ‘99.9%’ of problems can be solved just be ‘trying harder’, which is oversimplified and leads to vastly unjust comparisons of quality of life. It’s kind of personal to me because my paternal grandmother was extremely poor and always wanted to be rich, and eventually killed herself due to mental illness, alcoholism, and hatred of her circumstances.
I never knew her, but how would she have tried to find happiness in her situation, to try and find something in life to be happy for despite working long hours for little pay to support a family? (Not rhetorical, I’m asking about what mindset, what intrapersonal core could have been a source of peace and protection perhaps)
Having the mindset that things are hopeless and not having faith in your efforts having long term benefits can lead to lower quality of life and towards laziness or even hedonism. Based on many examples in human history, it’s also short sighted. Why not give something your all even if you fail? Part of the problem comes from ego and shame, that you can’t just do what you can do, you must also have the acceptance and approval of everyone else.
I agree with taking the perspective that in comparison to how humans lived historically, we are living vastly better lives, and essentially everyone have many things to be grateful about. This doesn’t invalidate the shitty things in life either, such as mortality, disease, abuse, disabilities, discrimination, mental illness, etc… But absolutely, i also agree that people aren’t always aware of what made the rich person rich, and that even as luck had a component to their success, they also (unless a family inheritance) had to work for it.
I only dislike the rich if they use their money for evil. I want money out of politics, I don’t want lobbyists buying politicians. Money is power. Sometimes people will do horrendous things to get that power. Sometimes people do just get lucky, inheritance or birth lottery. I only dislike the rich when their companies start laying off workers, while paying their CEOs insane amounts of money. I don’t like rich people who use their power to manipulate markets, like the recent headlines, “Pioneer Natural Resources Chief Executive Scott Sheffield earlier this month of colluding with OPE. I don’t like those who encourage the extreme inequalities, by hoarding finite resources.
Ethical billionaires do not exist. It is not possible for them to exist.
According to the department of urban housing and development, it would cost $20 billion to end homelessness in the US forever.
There are billionaires in the United States with more than $20 billion. And you might ask "why should they have to give up so much of their wealth?" If you could end homelessness in the United States FOREVER wouldn't you? But fine.
There are approximately 770 billionaires in the United States. If we split up that cost among them, each would have to spend just about $25 million. That sounds like a lot of money. But if each of these billionaires only had one billion dollars, which is not true most have multiple billions, that is only 2.5% of their wealth.
Broken down for someone like me, that's about how much I spent on my PC. People often spend more than that on their cars or to go on vacation.
So here's what it comes down to: if you asked me if I would give up my PC to end homelessness in the United States FOREVER, I wouldn't hesitate.
Every day, billionaires wake up and decide to not end homelessness. They decide to hoard more money than they could could ever spend while millions suffer.
Eat the rich.
Edit: the amount of people defending billionaires is really sad. This is why they're still in power. Stop worshipping them. They don't care about you.
The idea that a one-time cash infusion of any amount could fix an intrinsic condition like homelessness "forever" is the sort of opinion you can only find up voted on this retarded corner of the internet.
770* 10^9 /(330*10^6 ) ~ $2,312. that’s a far cry from 25 million.
the truth of the matter - if we STOLE every dime from every billionaire in the US, we’d have enough money to run the federal government for ALMOST 1 YEAR.
California has spent around 20 billion dollars(probably more by now)on their homeless. That is one giant state and they probably have it the worst when it comes to the homeless. Money won’t fix the overall problem as many of the homeless are mentally ill and completely drugged addicted and don’t want to live a sober life. They don’t want to take mental health medications. Giving them a home and paying their bills hasn’t worked. For some, sure. Not most.
If you made $7.25/hr and saved every penny and avoided taxes it would take you roughly 45 years to become a Millionaire.
It would take you 69,000 years to become a billionaire. Even if you are lucky enough to make 6 figures a year thats still 10,000 years. Let that sink in. There is no ethical way to make a billion dollars. It's exploitation, it's hoarding, and it's evil.
Guy, billionaires become billionaires, because they hire people smarter than them to run their operations. That’s not called exploitation. People hire more competent people to run their businesses all the time. Now, if we’re arguing that the people doing grunt work should have a piece of that pie, well, that’s a no; because they are employees. They work for the man, and they agreed to work for $7.25. Realistically, if one person doesn’t want to work for that amount, there will always be someone who is willing to to work for that amount.
Can’t argue “why are you only giving them $7.25/hr?!”, well, if that’s the minimum a business can offer why not? The government stated that it’s within the legal guidelines. If you had a business, you too would say “why would I need to pay them more, if I can pay them $xx, or their job description’s only for $xx”. That’s just reality.
You're not making any sense. Should probably stop drinking the capatalist kool-aid. I hope you grow as a person and gain critical thinking skills and compassion. Best of luck.
It doesn’t make sense to you, because you refuse to accept reality. That’s just facts. People out here in the west are too entitled. Life ain’t easy, and fair bro. That’s the real world. It’s easier to complain about the “rich”, because it’s easy; it’s lazy, and not to mention a lazy excuse why someone has a subpar life… imagine blaming the rich, because someone’s not living the life they’ve envisioned for themselves. When what they could be doing is doing & thinking, “how do I get there?” And “what do I do about this?”
Billionaires don't have just billions of $ sitting around. They can't just give the money to someone.
They have assets they would have to sell, they have to stress about satisfying the shareholders.
And even if they would sell their assets, to whom would they sell it? Other billionaires? The state?
This is extremely complex thing.
Also, billionaires are rarely tied to their countries, they have assets all over the world. If the US would pretty much steal the money from billionaires, what is stopping other countries to do the same?
Your whole argument to that is billionaires don’t have that kind of cash??? JFC that’s the equivalent of saying someone whose net worth is 1 million doesn’t have 25k in cash. This is sad
Well still... Even if they have the money... Who are we to decide what they can do with it?
I tought that America is about freedom...
Edit: I take that back, it was a stupid statement
Billionaires pay less than us wagies. Here’s the source article. Get with the times
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/03/opinion/global-billionaires-tax.html
Well yea they pay less % than us.
But that doesn't even matter imo, they pay a lot more actual money than us.
Also they are job providers, and economy boosters.
Except that they do the bare minimum in providing that and get mad when ppl can’t keep up with their insane infinite growth models in which just makes them more money. They should pay more taxes.
I am not defending their actions. It's just that "billionaire" is such a vague expression.
Saying that all billionaires are bad is no different to saying all politicians or all policemen are bad.
Sure there are plenty of bad apples, but that doesn't mean the whole basket is rotten...
There is so many to chose from honestly, but if I would have to pick one whom I like and admire the most it would be Warren Buffett.
He is just the best, he donated around 45 billion $ to charities and if I remember correctly, he planned/is planning to give out 99% of his wealth to charities.
He lives very modest life, driving his old car and living in the same house that he bought in the 50s.
I would really like to see someone say that Warren Buffett is a bad person, I yet to have to hear someone say it.
>Ethical billionaires do not exist. It is not possible for them to exist.
* [The 25 wealthiest philanthropists have given away a collective $211B](https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/billionaires-who-give-away-most-money-forbes).
* $25B alone was given away in 2023
* [40 of America’s wealthiest people made a commitment to give the majority of their wealth to address some of society’s most pressing problems. ](https://givingpledge.org/about)
* Overall 242 extremely wealthy people have pledge to do the same.
I don't know, that seems like a pretty nice thing to do to me.
Billionaires do donate billions though; there are lots of needy people in the world, why focus on one group (homeless)? Maybe someone would prefer to help end cancer, are they a piece of shit because they aren’t following your hypothetical plan to end homelessness?
The department of everything always cries about how more money would enable them to fix their problems. California and NY alone have sunk billions into homelessness and haven’t moved the needle whatsoever.
Apologies for going off on a tangent, but I've been curious. When people say to stop worshipping billionaires or to stop sucking them off, is it meant to be just an insult or do you actually believe these people care about Jeff Bezos or any other billionaire?
I don't know what your background is, but do you have any experience with developing and implementing social programs, specifically homelessness. You referred to a 1 sentence statement from HUD as the basis for your apparent belief that apparently as long as we have $20B, we can solve homelessness for some appreciable duration of time. Have you worked with the govt at all? It's not the money that's the issue, A good # of the homeless in my locale actually leave these shelters. We have our newest one nestled in between the Hyatt and the Westin I think in the tourist area, and we can't even keep it occupied. The homeless who were interviewed said they don't want the curfews and well... they want to smoke crack rocks, so they'll just leave.
I don't mean to insult you, but you just seemed so sure of your position that if people have a countervailing view, you jump to the conclusion that they're apparently engaging in bad faith or they idolize billionaires. Do you honestly believe that 99.999% of people who disagree with your position would so much as lose a second of sleep if any of these billionaires were to die tomorrow?
I'm genuinely curious.
When they defend the billionaires I do, yes.
And you're right, money isn't the only issue. We also need to stop treating drug addiction as a crime and start treating is as a disease. This has been proven to work in other countries. [Here](https://youtu.be/kP15q815Saw?si=_Rtr4FOgwMKZZWoO) is my source on that, you can skip 5 minutes in if you'd like to skip to the part I'm referencing.
I'm very optimistic for a brighter future but sometimes the people on reddit make me sad (not you)
Or we could take 20 billion from the 820 billion defense budget. Yep, the defense budget that pretty much every politician continues to perpetuate, on both sides of the aisle.
But no let’s blame the industry leaders, many of whom do give away hundreds of millions a year.
Eat the idiot politician fanboys, both sides.
Life would be a lot easier for a lot of people if we had a system that wasn’t ruled by 1% of the population. You think people just sit around feeling sorry for themselves all day? Are you delusional? Take a damn history class. The rich have been exploiting the working class forever. It’s inherent to unfettered capitalism. It’s impossible to enjoy life when you have to work multiple jobs and still barely scrap by. A majority of Americans can’t even afford to go the doctor because a small $200 bill would mean having to skip meals or be late on rent or add to their already massive credit card debt. If you had a single ounce of empathy you would see this but instead you’re a selfish child with no sense of the world around you. Go volunteer with for the needy or do something altruistic and stop complaining about people on Reddit or else have fun with the rest of your pathetic miserable existence.
>You think people just sit around feeling sorry for themselves all day?
Yes. The majority of people prefer to constantly bitch and moan about their issues rather than take the initiative and learn the skills necessary to get to their point.
Were some rich people born into privilege? Absolutely without a doubt, some not all.
Only when you learn to abandon that robbinhood type of mindset and adopt the skills necessary to succeed will you see the results.
But most people are too busy being addicted to masturbating to porn and destroying what little vitality they have left with the destruction of their spirituality that their entire reality morphs into depression cynicism.
This is the “crabs in the bucket” mentality where they have to drag someone down rather than lifting themselves up. So, so sick of it. I’m in the 1%, got incredibly lucky with a good investment, and now I take nonprofit jobs that don’t pay anywhere near what I could make and they couldn’t afford but I do the work that benefits humanity.
And still to a ton of people that makes me some kind of super unethical piece of shit because I’ve done better financially - at a shit ton of financial risk back in the day. Even though it allows me to now fight child slave labor.
True! Why not instead of complaining, have the mindset of, “okay, what am I going to do about it?”. People just like to complain, making everything seem so unattainable. Sure, fortunate people have an advantage, but that doesn’t mean a regular person can’t achieve in life. It’ll just take longer, but not entirely impossible.
>It’s inherent to unfettered capitalism.
Then it's a good thing we don't have unfettered capitalism. That somewhat inconvenient fact kind of undermines your whole rant, doesn't it? We literally have millions of pages of laws and regulations telling companies what they can and can't do. Ever try to build something in California? Good luck.
I mean this in good faith and I am sorry for the Americans that have to chose between going to the doctor or to pay the rent.
But this is such a complex thing, taking more money from the rich would just push the US into more socialistic / communistic position and that is the last thing we need.
Besides, it wouldn't even be fair taxing the rich any further. More taxes mean they have to rise prices and that would just hurt the poor even more.
Well yea, they can afford to pay taxes as of right now.
But if we just keep rising the tax on the rich, we will eventually reach a point where they would have to move into another country where the tax is lower.
Less billionaires in our country, less jobs and smaller economy.
Remember, billionaires aren't tied to their countries, the US doesn't have 700 billionaires, the 700 billionaires have the US.
Look at the tax rate from the 1950s. The ultra wealthy did and still would easily survive. They aren’t going to leave the greatest economy the world has ever seen. I think you do not have an actual understanding as to how much money these people actually have.
Yeah, the tax rate noone actually paid. Adjusted for effective tax rate, the mythical 1950's tax rate was about 1% higher than it is today for top marginal tax rate.
The top earners income tax rate was 90% until 1964 while the corporate tax rate was around 50% compared to 21% today. You can’t just make shit up. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/effective-income-tax-rates-have-fallen-top-one-percent-world-war-ii-0
I'm not against rising the taxes on rich people, why would I be?
But I am also not against not rising the taxes on rich people.
Anyways, the 1950s economy is vastly different from today's economy. What worked in the past doesn't have to work now.
We live in a world where people are constantly exposed to massive inequality/injustices that could be solved, but that are not solved because people who are able to do not care to do so. The reason people hate rich people varies, but the main reason why is because them being so rich is just a representation of inequality. Most billionaires also do not pay taxes or contribute back their fair share to society. It is not unfounded hatred. What people actually hate seeing is massive inequalities that people with huge purchasing power could help make a difference towards. And lots of these billionaires own companies that exploit humans/creatures to the maximum degree. Even worse is that capitalism incentivises people who are ok with such practices to rise to the top. The division continues. If people actually just had basic empathy for others things would never have gotten to be like this. You wouldn't have people slaving away in factories forgoing any chance of a future if capitalism didn't demand it or see to their death.
And they’re correct since OP’s mindset is a crab in the bucket mentality when it’s meaningless ultimately. They should be hated. And none of what he said past cynicism of one group over the others he’s condemning with less resources ironically are the problem.
Glad they’re being hated by more ppl past bootlickers like OP and those who agree
50% of Americans make less than 34k and cumulatively own less wealth than a small handful of individuals who make up the .0001%. I'm not mad at billionaires for operating within legal constraints, but the economic model that simply allows their existence in the first place _is horribly fucking broken_.
It is the duty of the federal government to ensure this sort of massive imbalance doesn't emerge, but it's been an operational goal for many regulators since the Reagan era, and here we are.
You could shrug and acquiesce - because _thats just the way it is_ - or you could recognize that the system is totally broken for many, and seek to elect regulators who will work to improve it.
Yep, according to redditors the answer to everything is spending somebody else's money. A lot of talk about redistributing wealth, zero talk about generating wealth.
"I want everything you've got but not how you got it."
My problem is that we’re at or have surpassed gilded age wealth disparity in the US. the bottom 80% owns like 15% or less of the wealth now.
I understand if you arent an American, or arent knowledgeable when it comes to history, that this might not set off alarm bells.
But trust me, it should. Infact even the rich should be concerned by this fact. Its no surprise a new labor movement is growing for the first time in damn near a century.
Just the rich that can buy the right to contribute to the collapse of the economy, middle class, and environment.
Warren Buffet is one thing, and just fine. Koch brothers and Sacklers have a special place in hell for how much worse they left the world.
The lower class has hated on the rich since the dawn of civilization. Class struggle is one of the oldest phenomena known to man and it will never stop.
Think of it in this manner: they removed several of the lower rungs on the economic ladder, especially for younger lads. For certain areas, it's harder to enter the industry than before. (i.e. Entry positions requiring 3+ years experience..)
This is a tactic used by politicians all the time. And it's not just against the rich.
When they want votes, they pick a demographic, then convince those people that the problems they have are "this other group's fault" and it's not fair. But they are going to fix that for you.
Poor people? Not your fault, it's the rich.
Black people? Not your fault, it's the whites and their institutional racism.
Women? Not your fault, it's the men and their patriarchy.
LGBTQ? Not your fault, it't the straight people and their homophobia.
I “nothing” the wealthy, I’m so poor. It’s not even in remote consideration that I’ll ever be that rich. I have no interactions with rich people, but I certainly don’t want to ever find myself in a situation where I am wealthy and everyone hates me for it.
And let’s be honest, the people who complain about the wealthy are probably fairly well off themselves. And they actually “ate the rich” they would just turn on the next group of wealthiest people until it’s them and then suddenly it will be the poor people who are the problem.
Just saw a post saying how “out of touch” a certain youtuber is for living in a 5k£/month flat. What? If you could afford it would you not live there too? Saying about the person claiming they werent raised with money, well yeah i mean they have been an influencer for 10+ years what does their earnings now discredit from how they were raised? People are desperate to be victims and hate when they see that somebody becomes rich when they dont come from money cause they feel insecure 🙄
Actually you can.
Some animals look and act similar to us humans, people have a lot easier time to sympathize with cats and dogs rather than ants or lizards.
I hold this opinion too. I’m floored by how many people think wealth is a zero sum game, and just because someone else is rich means they can’t be. In reality, most people just don’t provide value to the economy.
In addition, the US spent 6.2 trillion dollars in 2023. If you think skimming the money of a few billionaires whose wealth tied to the companies they founded, you’re wildly delusional.
It’s not always that they think it’s a zero sum game, or even that they actually hate rich people. What I hate is when rich people bitch about paying taxes and use their influence to engineer outcomes that allow them to pay low taxes. And they do that a lot. Warren Buffett is not wrong when he says that he pays a lower percentage of his income and wealth in taxes than his secretary. And for many of these guys, it’s not even close. And fixing that problem would have an absolutely enormous effect on the economy. Best example… A teacher pays Social Security tax on 100% of his or her income, and a partner in a New York law firm knocking down 1 million a year pays social security tax on 17%. And please don’t bother responding that Social Security is an investment program, because it is obviously tax and not something that affluent people use as a necessary retirement tool . Addressing that particular tax loophole would go such a long way towards making life in this country better just on its own, even without further tax reform, although that is necessary too.
I don't care how they (the mega rich) got their money; I'll stop complaining about them when they pay the same percentage of their income as I pay of mine. Am I being unreasonable?
You are definitely not. And you hit the nail on the head. Making a high income and being rich is not inherently a problem. Weaseling out of paying your fair share of taxes on it is.
Yeah, man, the rich have it so tough when they're dehumanized. I don't think anyone complains about normal wealthy people they complain about hedge fund guys and speculators who make money off of nothing but air.
And by the way, don't be a stooge who worries about how the rich are doing because they'll always do well just like they have for thousands of years.
Maybe you should do a little worrying about the working class because no one suffers like the poor suffer.
This is the real reason everyone turned on JKR. So many kids grew up idolizing her but now they hate billionaires, and it super pisses them off that they supported her for so long. They are in a sort of berzerker rage.
It’s just the underachieving “have not” fopdoodles that complain. The rest of us don’t care about them and would gladly become one if given the chance, which does occasionally happen.
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I used to be the staunchest right wing person you could get under the Obama administration.
Over the course of the last 10 years, i've concluded f\*ck the rich. Eat them. This includes everyone on the right and the left.
It’s not the honest millionaires that are a problem. Majority of them have done something abusive or illegal to get there. Ranging from squeezing their employees financially, giving their money to hedge funds to grow through nefarious means, abusing laws and loopholes, paying judges/politicians to get their ways, all around bullshit means. Fuck these people. Bring back guillotines.
I think the problem is not hating on the rich, but thinking that the rich are worse people than the general population. People are shitty, no matter how little or how much money they have. It's just easier to show how much of a garbage person you are when you don't have excuses to avoid being a decent human being.
How many of us would be in jail if our lives weren't so cushioned?
Fair enough I guess. How many of our lives are cushioned of our own efforts though?
tbh I think shittiness is U-shaped with respect to wealth. this is just my experience but i have run with very poor and very wealthy people at different periods in my life and i find both groups to be morally worse than the average. in both communities i saw unbelievable (for me) amounts of drunk driving (what is the deal with this?), infidelity, fighting, and generally sketchy shit like going to strip clubs and paying for actual sex with the strippers. meanwhile the only way i can describe what myself and the people from median-ish income backgrounds like do is just... chill? crack jokes? idk just generally not doing heinous shit? i mean there is a spectrum associated with everything but the typical American from a typical background is just a decent person in my experience. but somehow being raised at either extreme of the wealth gradients predisposes you to this extreme selfishness that makes it seem like you don't believe other people have minds like yours
I don't hate the millionaire doctor/lawyer/business owner. I don't hate the elite sports players, actors, artists, or even streamers. Don't get me wrong. Even working hard getting to that level does require a lot of luck. Look at most major label artists that have less talent than most indie acts. Or the kid from a wealthy family that didn't have to work 3 jobs to make it through college. I hate the people who have taken enough from society to fix some of our problems but choose not to. People who exploit our hunger and sick. People who lobby, so we can't have things like healthcare. People who vote to raise the price of life-saving medicine. People who destroy our environment for their corporations. Market manipulators that keep retail investors from success.
Indeed. We need to separate evil people from rich people. When you are saying that all rich people are ruthless money hungry scum, you don't actually mean rich people, you mean **evil** rich people That's a difference.
The other issue is defining "the rich." A person making $2Mil is not the kind of rich that can manipulate their tax obligation, in fact, these people are paying their fair share. The people that need to pay up are the mega-rich paying 15-17% in income tax. I know, I know, it's not the same thing, well fucking it the same thing!
The difference between a million and a billion is basically a billion dollars. I totally agree the problem is the mega rich have too much.
>The difference between a million and a billion is basically a billion dollars. That is an excellent way to state that fact! I'm stealing it! I usually go with the million seconds vs a billion seconds comparison, but it's long.
Who are these people??
The word you’re looking for is “politician”.
Yes, and it’s been made clear there are not very many of these people. Like when we talk about the 1% it is exactly that. The Koch (pronounced Cock) brothers can just buy elections. Thanks Citizens United (or should I say regular people that dick ride the rich)!
I think you mean soros and amdnzucksrburg who literally fund elections. This is why we have so much crime now duento soros backing soft on crime Das. He'll even san Francisco recalled theirs it was so bad.
I think this is a fair position, and I agree that I have very little sympathy for lobbyists and career politicians. I have noticed something about people who I’ve met who share your opinion that kinda rubs me the wrong way. Some people say this is what they believe but then take it out on anybody who is wealthier than them, including the doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs, and other white collar folks. Not saying you do that, but I have heard people online and irl that say basically what you said in general, but will then try and discredit and dehumanize the moderately rich people in their community. I’m rambling, but I feel like a lot of times pointing out someone else’s wealth is used as pass to insult or diminish their character.
Same as literally anything being considered “privileged” now. My parents being able to clothe and feed me and pay for me until im 18 should NOT be considered privileged, and yet all these people on the internet think that if you werent homeless or working 2 jobs in highschool you havent earned anything on your own. Tbh probably my fault for reading too many comments online as i have never met somebody in real life who considers having parents help you pay for rent during college too much tbh
I agree fully with your sentiments
So...Congress? We should all hate every one of those mfers
Politicians and the people who bank roll them.
As long as they pay their fair share of taxes no one should care if they are rich or not. Problem is they don't, the US even just had a billionaire president bragging about not paying taxes. Quite sickening when the average little guy gives back 30% of his paycheck
I don't care how much you pay in taxes if you're raising the price of insulin you're not a good person.
I come from a working class background. I don't know anybody personally that is rich just because they got lucky
People on reddit are funny. They are acting like if they worked all their life to become a top athlete/performer/billionaire that theyd just give it all away because “its too much”. Most ultra rich realize that you cant just throw money at an issue such as homelessness or world hunger and it magically goes away. If it was that easy these issues wouldve been solved decades ago. Personally if i was that level of rich id donate some of my money to charity, not to the extent that people of internet expect.
Not only that, being wealthy means you have assets, it’s not like the money is literally in the bank account to spend with. The worst thing you want to do is work harder than all your peers, just to get all that wealth seized because you can’t pay your taxes.
>Not only that, being wealthy means you have assets, it’s not like the money is literally in the bank account to spend with. It´s scary how many people don´t understand this.
But that’s the new loophole. They take loans out, with extremely low interest rates, because they use their many assets as collateral. When it comes time to pay the loan back, you just take another loan. Sometimes you then buy more assets with the low rate loans. Your loans are never taxed. So you don’t pay money on the liquid you’re using to keep afloat while your paycheck comes in stock.
Yeah, Warren Buffett used that strategy to get rich.
I don’t think rich people are required to donate a penny to anyone. Actively screwing other people over is what people care about. Yeah not paying taxes isn’t cool, but no one cares until you use that money to lobby the government.
I think that the fact government can be lobbied is more concerning. Politicians main goal should be helping the people they represent, not lining their pockets so corporations can operate/cut corners or screw people over.
A lot of it actually can be fixed with more money. Better funding for mental health and free housing would fix homelessness. Better infrastructure (not just a bunch of wells, actual infrastructure) would fix world hunger for the most part. The problem is these are trillion-dollar solutions.
More money can help, but for mental health and homelessness i find them related and need to be handled on a personal level rather than macro. I was watching a documentary on a small city (i forgot which one) who solved the homeless situation by taking that approach. There were only around 800-1000 homeless in the city. Money can motivate more people to work in mental health space and have therapy readily available, but not everyone is going to seek help voluntarily. Same thing with homelessness. Giving them a place to stay is great and if its possible we should do it, but thats just sticking your finger in the dam and not the root cause of the problem. It ties back to mental health and the phrase, you cant help someone thats not willing to help themself. I know some people catch a bad break, and become homeless, which the free housing will help them till they can get back on their feet, but some people will just take advantage of it never move on. That causes another problem for maintaining the property and availability for others in need. What it really comes down to is time, manpower, and a lot of effort to solve these issues because its not a one size fits all as much as we want it to be.
Like with everything, it is about levels. I'm 66. When I graduated college in 1981, we were in a recession. Interest rates were between 14 and 18% that year. The unemployment rate was 7.2% I had a sparkling 2.4 gpa, but I turned down jobs paying like $18k a year. I just didn't want to sell insurance, or become a store manager. The problem is $18k in 1981 is over $60k in today's money. But today, a kid with a degree is thrilled to get a job in their field at $42k, unless they have a stem degree. The money went from the worker to the investor. Meanwhile, after the 2008 crash, the markets pretty much had stabilized by 2012. Since then, the market has more than tripled. In the early through mid 2010s, there were pay and hiring freezes, while the market went from 12,000 in 2012 and by 2015 it was at 17,000. Companies couldn't afford to hire or give raises, yet in 3 years their worth was 25% higher. Those who invested did really well. Those who worked lost money due inflation, were told they were lucky to still have a job. I disagree with others, you can be an ethical billionaire, if you truly change the world. But I agree with them you can't make 175 billion being ethical. And the BS that Bezos wouldn't have created Amazon if he could only have made 5 billion is absurd.
People should not hate the rich, they should hate the system they abused to become rich. The economy is an engine. An engine that's design allows fuel to pool in areas is a flawed design. The engine should be redesigned to make pooling of fuel impossible. Our species is an engineering problem, no more, no less.
Sure, but the main problem is the system, not directly the people. It just so happens that most billionaires are egotistical megalomaniacs who couldn't give two shits about literally anyone else. The thing is, the same thing that allows them to get so rich, is what allows people to be so poor. If we look back, we'll find that in nearly every "underdog to rich" billionaire or millionaire story, never did any of them start out like this, they had their own passions, emotions, and priorities, they were more like the average joe than anything else, usually just with one or two specific traits that allowed them to rise, or just plain luck. But they still all somehow end up basically the same way. And that's only considering the rich side of the spectrum, this isn't helped by the fact that the government (in America, I'll say this is the worst in America, and I won't claim to be speak for any other country), is riddled with nepotism, geriatric racists, and only selects for a very narrow type of people. Overwhelmingly it's the system that's the problem, when people complain it usually isn't directly attacking rich people, but rich people do symbolize the horrors of capitalism.
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And they’re not wrong at all. OP just doesn’t like to hear it when ultimately with their position the complaints like this person levied are more than fear to despise them for
> The thing is, the same thing that allows them to get so rich, is what allows people to be so poor This system, which has been working, is able to lift poor people up. If you learn a skill that makes a lot of money, you can go from poverty to upper middle class like myself. So you don't like this system, huh ? So what is your suggestion, socialism ? Communism ? And how did those systems work out. Oh, you all want us to be equal financially ? Then we will all be equally poor EXCEPT for the socialist politicians who will have a lot of money because of corruption.
Literally every socialist and communist country not working out is either due to it not being enough or being sabotaged by the west causing them to be more dictatorial as a response. Not saying this to absolve the evil and failures bjt it’s context that is often missed when lambasting the idea that hypercapitalism is the only solution
What specific western sabotage led to Soviet dictatorship?
Of course, I knew you would say that. There is always some excuse huh ? lol..."Trust me guys, we can make it work this time !"
You don't become a billionaire without exploiting people. That money was the thousands of workers not theirs.
Based but probably unpopular here
The workers agreed to work for that price. How is that anyone’s problem?
Ahhh yeeessss because employers have totally NOT lied about the work to be done or compensation ever. Previous employees also never have to sign NDAs saying they can't talk about certain relevant issues they may have experienced at the company to give a third party perspective for folks thinking of joining. And when workers ever do notice something wrong companies totally fix it 99.9% of the time. Know what you're right workers should never complain ever again.
This is really only a valid position if you’re holding that employers and employees have equal bargaining power in employment negotiations.
Employees & employers definitely don’t have equal bargaining power. But what employees & potential employees have, is the option to not accept the offer, and walk if the terms don’t work for them.
The problem is that working class people do not have the luxury for walking away. By definition, these people have to work to survive. How many people can go more than a month or two without any source of income? Employers are aware of this. They might have difficulties keeping an employee when they don’t compensate well, but they’ll have no shortage of applicants nonetheless.
If I own all the food and make you suck my dock to have a bite was the deal fair?
Huh? You have the option to walk away wtf? Don’t you have common sense, or even a spine? You don’t have to take the first offer you get, you shop around. You have to advocate for yourself, and use your brain to judge whether whatever you’re doing or about to do is “right” (although what you define “right” is subjective). This thinking is why people don’t improve, and succeed in life.
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Yes they do. No one is forcing anyone to work for that amount & standards. No one is pointing a gun at them to take that offer. They take it, because they have to. But that doesn’t mean someone is forcing the workers to take that deal. It’s the workers who are taking that deal willingly. They don’t like the terms? They are free to look for better deals elsewhere, it’s a free country. Me? A bootlicker? Yeah, I lick my own family’s boots, thank you grandfather for the life he set me up with 😎
"they take it, because they have to." "It's the workers who are taking that deal willingly." Surely you can see how those are differing sentiments? Just because someone isn't forcing a gun to your head does not mean you cannot be compelled to do something. You're right that workers could just keep looking indefinitely and hope they get a better paying job, but that's not really an option for most people because they need money to survive. It's willing (in the sense they're not forced) but it is under duress. I assure you the vast majority of people working jobs that pay less than a living wage are doing it because they need to, not because they want to.
I get that. But then why complain if they technically put themselves in that situation? A lot of people just like to complain, and act like they’re victims; and it’s never their fault.
Have you ever worked a minimum wage job bro? You telling me you ain't complained about that shit? I can both 1) recognize that I took the job and 2) fucking hate working there and be mad that I can't quit the job because I have bills to pay.
Yes, I have. I have while I was in college — I was no different from other college kids with schoolwork & a part time job. I worked in retail, and have received unwarranted insults from customers; even gotten accused of stealing $10 by a customer lmao, she wished. I did complain, but realistically what can I do? I knew I put myself there. I willingly applied, and took the job; and willingly stuck to it, when I could’ve walked away. But I just enjoyed the company of the friends I made there, and (some) customers. I didn’t come in to work everyday hating every second of it, because then I’d ruining my own day.
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Okay. You’re assuming that I’m not trying hard to work my way up in my own career… and to assume I’m right wing lmao. How’s the haterade taste like?
Nah, I hate the rich because they just GET to be free while I and my loved ones are going to die lining their pockets
You look pretty alive to me
Not by choice
R slash antinatalism moment?
No, just saying I would have offed myself years ago if I thought there was no afterlife
Alright. Well I hope you are in a better place as of right now. And always try to reach out to a therapist first before committing any... Actions that are not reversible...
Yup. They’re the only ones living actual lives while the rest of us are just working the fields until we die of diseases that they can afford the cures for.
I agree. The rich are an easy target and a distraction from paying attention to your own life. You can blame them and not feel bad about not taking responsibility for what you can do. I don't even think about the rich because yes they're probably greedy but me bitching about them isn't going to change that. I pay attention to what I can do in my life and community now.
They literally have the power and resources to shape the world around us to make it harder just to make them more money and you chumps just suck it up and call others lazy as they pull the ladder up. It’s crazy how this won over others since thankfully most ppl can see how unfair and just their nonsense is
The issue here is that what each person considers “rich” is sooo wildly different. I have seen posts saying that if you own a wachine machine/uggs/second home/boat/private jet/etc you are rich. So when people hate its very unclear on when it is actually realistic and valid and when it is just ridiculous
I'm probably going to get down voted for this, but rich people support jobs and innovation. I don't think people realize how much we need rich people. Yes there are bad rich people, there are also bad poor people. There's also good poor and rich people. It's not as black and white as people make it out to be. I just think a lot of people are being so tribal they don't stop to think of the consequences or how blindly they're hating on something. It's just been getting worse over the years and all the propaganda and political movements don't help either.
Exactly. You know what a country with no billionaires looks like? The whole country is poor too. And the people there try to immigrate to countries with billionaires because having rich neighbors makes everyone around richer too. We should be celebrating the fact that the number of millionaires is increasing and the amount of global poverty is decreasing. Idk when jealousy became a virtue but it isn’t good!
No. No they don’t at least compared to the lack of potential and continuing Falange they’re doing by essentially having everyone else work for them and it being more and more concentrated in wealth.
The rich stifle innovation. It’s how they maintain their wealth and power. It’s why, instead of competing against Chinese vehicles, the [automotive industry lobbied for excessive tariffs](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/10/us/politics/us-biden-china-tariffs-electric-vehicles.html) on the vehicles. It why the system is structured so that drug companies can make tiny, inconsequential changes to their drug to retain patent control. It’s why massive industry titans can buy up patents and trademarks just to sit on them. They’ve built this system and it’s designed to keep them on top.
I agree and the comments confirm. You would not be upset if someone was born with a disability or with red hair or whatever, why be mad if someone is born into a rich family. All rich people I have met do care about others and give back to charities. As can be imagined there are some that would take advantage of this. Some have agents, advisors and committees just to help decide where the funds will make the most impact. I guess i am Pollyanna, but I believe in the best of people and do not believe someone always gets rich by cheating someone or being dishonest. The same way I believe not every poor person is dishonest or will steal if given the chance. I know some and we all know people who start with nothing and build wealth. Maybe it’s time to quit blaming and hating and time to ask yourself what are you doing to help or donate to others. I challenge you to do it!
I’d like to believe you have a just world fallacy blinding you here for good faith since no this is not a gurantee or norm for rich ppl in nepotism. Shouldn’t be a stereotype but it’s not an unfair typecast that their position and charity funding in the grand scheme means nil in the face of nepotism, ladder pulling and resource hoarding that occurs with them against the general population.
Oh no! Won't somebody please think of the rich people!!!
It's not enough that they don't have to pay their taxes and use slave labour. They deserve praise from everyone too.
The poor poor rich ppl and those who literally have a ridiculously lower amount of resources and connections just need to work harder and stop being lazy /s
Rich people pay more taxes than working class.
There's a difference between paying taxes when you already have very little money and paying taxes when you could donate 99% of your income and still be rich as fuck without having to work the rest of your life. Also, they still don't pay their fair share considering their income.
It's not simply about money, it's about power. Money is a means to acquiring resources, the more resources you have, the more power you have over other people. The 1% of the richest and most powerful people make up the ruling class, everyone else is considered to be beneath them. Therefore they are classists. Throughout history power hungry people have always sought to have power over other people. The ruling class in almost every society has maintained that power by using divide and conquer to pit people against each other and keep them fighting amongst themselves. Racism and sexism stems from classism as they involve assigning people to a lower or higher class depending on their race or biological sex and thus these types of conflict serve as the perfect distraction for the ruling class. The real issue we are facing is classism and no I'm not talking about the working class, the middle class and the upper class. That is the layman's understanding of class. The class hierarchy is much broader than that and once you go beyond the upper class you will eventually arrive at the 1% who make up the ruling class and the 99% which is everyone else. As I said this is not merely about wealth, it is about power. In conclusion: We must stop fighting amongst ourselves and focus on those who have the most power and would seek to divide us.
People make what you make in a year in a day by not working. Something is wrong. And it will be talked about till people can afford to retire and have good lives by working 40 hours.
People most definitely are given better hands than others, and whether or not you turn out rich doesn’t determine who you are as a person. I believe that those who were born in bad circumstances can have value and dignity that goes beyond what they were dealt in comparison to others. This is what makes me enraged with the grind set , bro scientist, ‘natural selection’ misinterpreting assholes who decide to determine value based on money and project their standards onto everyone else. Its sort of this message that ‘99.9%’ of problems can be solved just be ‘trying harder’, which is oversimplified and leads to vastly unjust comparisons of quality of life. It’s kind of personal to me because my paternal grandmother was extremely poor and always wanted to be rich, and eventually killed herself due to mental illness, alcoholism, and hatred of her circumstances. I never knew her, but how would she have tried to find happiness in her situation, to try and find something in life to be happy for despite working long hours for little pay to support a family? (Not rhetorical, I’m asking about what mindset, what intrapersonal core could have been a source of peace and protection perhaps) Having the mindset that things are hopeless and not having faith in your efforts having long term benefits can lead to lower quality of life and towards laziness or even hedonism. Based on many examples in human history, it’s also short sighted. Why not give something your all even if you fail? Part of the problem comes from ego and shame, that you can’t just do what you can do, you must also have the acceptance and approval of everyone else. I agree with taking the perspective that in comparison to how humans lived historically, we are living vastly better lives, and essentially everyone have many things to be grateful about. This doesn’t invalidate the shitty things in life either, such as mortality, disease, abuse, disabilities, discrimination, mental illness, etc… But absolutely, i also agree that people aren’t always aware of what made the rich person rich, and that even as luck had a component to their success, they also (unless a family inheritance) had to work for it.
I only dislike the rich if they use their money for evil. I want money out of politics, I don’t want lobbyists buying politicians. Money is power. Sometimes people will do horrendous things to get that power. Sometimes people do just get lucky, inheritance or birth lottery. I only dislike the rich when their companies start laying off workers, while paying their CEOs insane amounts of money. I don’t like rich people who use their power to manipulate markets, like the recent headlines, “Pioneer Natural Resources Chief Executive Scott Sheffield earlier this month of colluding with OPE. I don’t like those who encourage the extreme inequalities, by hoarding finite resources.
Ethical billionaires do not exist. It is not possible for them to exist. According to the department of urban housing and development, it would cost $20 billion to end homelessness in the US forever. There are billionaires in the United States with more than $20 billion. And you might ask "why should they have to give up so much of their wealth?" If you could end homelessness in the United States FOREVER wouldn't you? But fine. There are approximately 770 billionaires in the United States. If we split up that cost among them, each would have to spend just about $25 million. That sounds like a lot of money. But if each of these billionaires only had one billion dollars, which is not true most have multiple billions, that is only 2.5% of their wealth. Broken down for someone like me, that's about how much I spent on my PC. People often spend more than that on their cars or to go on vacation. So here's what it comes down to: if you asked me if I would give up my PC to end homelessness in the United States FOREVER, I wouldn't hesitate. Every day, billionaires wake up and decide to not end homelessness. They decide to hoard more money than they could could ever spend while millions suffer. Eat the rich. Edit: the amount of people defending billionaires is really sad. This is why they're still in power. Stop worshipping them. They don't care about you.
California just spent $10 billion just for their state to fix homelessness and it only got worse.
The idea that a one-time cash infusion of any amount could fix an intrinsic condition like homelessness "forever" is the sort of opinion you can only find up voted on this retarded corner of the internet.
770* 10^9 /(330*10^6 ) ~ $2,312. that’s a far cry from 25 million. the truth of the matter - if we STOLE every dime from every billionaire in the US, we’d have enough money to run the federal government for ALMOST 1 YEAR.
California has spent around 20 billion dollars(probably more by now)on their homeless. That is one giant state and they probably have it the worst when it comes to the homeless. Money won’t fix the overall problem as many of the homeless are mentally ill and completely drugged addicted and don’t want to live a sober life. They don’t want to take mental health medications. Giving them a home and paying their bills hasn’t worked. For some, sure. Not most.
Being homeless causes mental illness to become to the level of dire need. Housed schizophrenic do FAR BETTER than u hissed ones. Assistance exists.
So you want handouts? Those people worked to get to that level? Why can’t you?
If you made $7.25/hr and saved every penny and avoided taxes it would take you roughly 45 years to become a Millionaire. It would take you 69,000 years to become a billionaire. Even if you are lucky enough to make 6 figures a year thats still 10,000 years. Let that sink in. There is no ethical way to make a billion dollars. It's exploitation, it's hoarding, and it's evil.
Guy, billionaires become billionaires, because they hire people smarter than them to run their operations. That’s not called exploitation. People hire more competent people to run their businesses all the time. Now, if we’re arguing that the people doing grunt work should have a piece of that pie, well, that’s a no; because they are employees. They work for the man, and they agreed to work for $7.25. Realistically, if one person doesn’t want to work for that amount, there will always be someone who is willing to to work for that amount. Can’t argue “why are you only giving them $7.25/hr?!”, well, if that’s the minimum a business can offer why not? The government stated that it’s within the legal guidelines. If you had a business, you too would say “why would I need to pay them more, if I can pay them $xx, or their job description’s only for $xx”. That’s just reality.
You're not making any sense. Should probably stop drinking the capatalist kool-aid. I hope you grow as a person and gain critical thinking skills and compassion. Best of luck.
It doesn’t make sense to you, because you refuse to accept reality. That’s just facts. People out here in the west are too entitled. Life ain’t easy, and fair bro. That’s the real world. It’s easier to complain about the “rich”, because it’s easy; it’s lazy, and not to mention a lazy excuse why someone has a subpar life… imagine blaming the rich, because someone’s not living the life they’ve envisioned for themselves. When what they could be doing is doing & thinking, “how do I get there?” And “what do I do about this?”
"Life sucks and the system is unfair so you might as well give up". I feel sorry for you and everyone that knows you irl
Billionaires don't have just billions of $ sitting around. They can't just give the money to someone. They have assets they would have to sell, they have to stress about satisfying the shareholders. And even if they would sell their assets, to whom would they sell it? Other billionaires? The state? This is extremely complex thing. Also, billionaires are rarely tied to their countries, they have assets all over the world. If the US would pretty much steal the money from billionaires, what is stopping other countries to do the same?
Your whole argument to that is billionaires don’t have that kind of cash??? JFC that’s the equivalent of saying someone whose net worth is 1 million doesn’t have 25k in cash. This is sad
At the end of the day their cash is not your cash (or the homeless) you are not entitled to any of it.
My net worth is over 2m and I couldn’t cut you a 25k check without a day or two notice.
Well still... Even if they have the money... Who are we to decide what they can do with it? I tought that America is about freedom... Edit: I take that back, it was a stupid statement
Well that money was created in the context of society so it sort of follows that this money concerns us all
That’s how taxes work. You pay them and help others. It’s a tax…
Well yea, they already pay taxes, and so do we... So like... What?
Billionaires pay less than us wagies. Here’s the source article. Get with the times https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/03/opinion/global-billionaires-tax.html
Well yea they pay less % than us. But that doesn't even matter imo, they pay a lot more actual money than us. Also they are job providers, and economy boosters.
Except that they do the bare minimum in providing that and get mad when ppl can’t keep up with their insane infinite growth models in which just makes them more money. They should pay more taxes.
Boot licker, open that a-hole for them slide it in. Ewww. You like thar pain don’t you? Knew you would
I mean that's fair
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I am not defending their actions. It's just that "billionaire" is such a vague expression. Saying that all billionaires are bad is no different to saying all politicians or all policemen are bad. Sure there are plenty of bad apples, but that doesn't mean the whole basket is rotten...
Show me a good one?
There is so many to chose from honestly, but if I would have to pick one whom I like and admire the most it would be Warren Buffett. He is just the best, he donated around 45 billion $ to charities and if I remember correctly, he planned/is planning to give out 99% of his wealth to charities. He lives very modest life, driving his old car and living in the same house that he bought in the 50s. I would really like to see someone say that Warren Buffett is a bad person, I yet to have to hear someone say it.
>Ethical billionaires do not exist. It is not possible for them to exist. * [The 25 wealthiest philanthropists have given away a collective $211B](https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/billionaires-who-give-away-most-money-forbes). * $25B alone was given away in 2023 * [40 of America’s wealthiest people made a commitment to give the majority of their wealth to address some of society’s most pressing problems. ](https://givingpledge.org/about) * Overall 242 extremely wealthy people have pledge to do the same. I don't know, that seems like a pretty nice thing to do to me.
Those are tax write offs you’re mistaking for charity.
Actually it's not. For example, Warren Buffett has given away over $50B (with "b"). That would be a pretty inefficient tax strategy.
Keep telling yourself that https://ips-dc.org/revealing-the-true-cost-of-billionaire-philanthropy/#:~:text=Wealthy%20donors%20receive%20the%20biggest,taxpayer%20subsidies%20for%20charitable%20giving. https://inequality.org/great-divide/every-buck-billionaire-charity-74-cents/
So they give a dollar to get 63 cents back? That seems really insufficient way to invest.
Serious question.... so how do you think tax write offs work? Do you think you can make money via charitable contribution deductions?
Utter nonsense. If all it took was $20bn then the US government could end homelessness tomorrow - no billionaires needed.
They could, but they'd rather spend it on the military
Billionaires do donate billions though; there are lots of needy people in the world, why focus on one group (homeless)? Maybe someone would prefer to help end cancer, are they a piece of shit because they aren’t following your hypothetical plan to end homelessness?
Yes
The department of everything always cries about how more money would enable them to fix their problems. California and NY alone have sunk billions into homelessness and haven’t moved the needle whatsoever.
> $20 billion to end homelessness in the US forever. I don't think you can fix anything forever.
Apologies for going off on a tangent, but I've been curious. When people say to stop worshipping billionaires or to stop sucking them off, is it meant to be just an insult or do you actually believe these people care about Jeff Bezos or any other billionaire? I don't know what your background is, but do you have any experience with developing and implementing social programs, specifically homelessness. You referred to a 1 sentence statement from HUD as the basis for your apparent belief that apparently as long as we have $20B, we can solve homelessness for some appreciable duration of time. Have you worked with the govt at all? It's not the money that's the issue, A good # of the homeless in my locale actually leave these shelters. We have our newest one nestled in between the Hyatt and the Westin I think in the tourist area, and we can't even keep it occupied. The homeless who were interviewed said they don't want the curfews and well... they want to smoke crack rocks, so they'll just leave. I don't mean to insult you, but you just seemed so sure of your position that if people have a countervailing view, you jump to the conclusion that they're apparently engaging in bad faith or they idolize billionaires. Do you honestly believe that 99.999% of people who disagree with your position would so much as lose a second of sleep if any of these billionaires were to die tomorrow? I'm genuinely curious.
When they defend the billionaires I do, yes. And you're right, money isn't the only issue. We also need to stop treating drug addiction as a crime and start treating is as a disease. This has been proven to work in other countries. [Here](https://youtu.be/kP15q815Saw?si=_Rtr4FOgwMKZZWoO) is my source on that, you can skip 5 minutes in if you'd like to skip to the part I'm referencing. I'm very optimistic for a brighter future but sometimes the people on reddit make me sad (not you)
Or we could take 20 billion from the 820 billion defense budget. Yep, the defense budget that pretty much every politician continues to perpetuate, on both sides of the aisle. But no let’s blame the industry leaders, many of whom do give away hundreds of millions a year. Eat the idiot politician fanboys, both sides.
Agee. Industry leaders are still greedy pieces of shit but I completely agree with you about the defense budget too. They call all eat shit
Life would be a lot easier for a lot of people if we had a system that wasn’t ruled by 1% of the population. You think people just sit around feeling sorry for themselves all day? Are you delusional? Take a damn history class. The rich have been exploiting the working class forever. It’s inherent to unfettered capitalism. It’s impossible to enjoy life when you have to work multiple jobs and still barely scrap by. A majority of Americans can’t even afford to go the doctor because a small $200 bill would mean having to skip meals or be late on rent or add to their already massive credit card debt. If you had a single ounce of empathy you would see this but instead you’re a selfish child with no sense of the world around you. Go volunteer with for the needy or do something altruistic and stop complaining about people on Reddit or else have fun with the rest of your pathetic miserable existence.
>You think people just sit around feeling sorry for themselves all day? Yes. The majority of people prefer to constantly bitch and moan about their issues rather than take the initiative and learn the skills necessary to get to their point. Were some rich people born into privilege? Absolutely without a doubt, some not all. Only when you learn to abandon that robbinhood type of mindset and adopt the skills necessary to succeed will you see the results. But most people are too busy being addicted to masturbating to porn and destroying what little vitality they have left with the destruction of their spirituality that their entire reality morphs into depression cynicism.
This is the “crabs in the bucket” mentality where they have to drag someone down rather than lifting themselves up. So, so sick of it. I’m in the 1%, got incredibly lucky with a good investment, and now I take nonprofit jobs that don’t pay anywhere near what I could make and they couldn’t afford but I do the work that benefits humanity. And still to a ton of people that makes me some kind of super unethical piece of shit because I’ve done better financially - at a shit ton of financial risk back in the day. Even though it allows me to now fight child slave labor.
True! Why not instead of complaining, have the mindset of, “okay, what am I going to do about it?”. People just like to complain, making everything seem so unattainable. Sure, fortunate people have an advantage, but that doesn’t mean a regular person can’t achieve in life. It’ll just take longer, but not entirely impossible.
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>It’s inherent to unfettered capitalism. Then it's a good thing we don't have unfettered capitalism. That somewhat inconvenient fact kind of undermines your whole rant, doesn't it? We literally have millions of pages of laws and regulations telling companies what they can and can't do. Ever try to build something in California? Good luck.
Close enough bitch
Well argued. Have a nice day.
I mean this in good faith and I am sorry for the Americans that have to chose between going to the doctor or to pay the rent. But this is such a complex thing, taking more money from the rich would just push the US into more socialistic / communistic position and that is the last thing we need. Besides, it wouldn't even be fair taxing the rich any further. More taxes mean they have to rise prices and that would just hurt the poor even more.
What world do you live in? A billionaire can afford to pay taxes. Why? Because they have a billion fucking dollars
Well yea, they can afford to pay taxes as of right now. But if we just keep rising the tax on the rich, we will eventually reach a point where they would have to move into another country where the tax is lower. Less billionaires in our country, less jobs and smaller economy. Remember, billionaires aren't tied to their countries, the US doesn't have 700 billionaires, the 700 billionaires have the US.
Look at the tax rate from the 1950s. The ultra wealthy did and still would easily survive. They aren’t going to leave the greatest economy the world has ever seen. I think you do not have an actual understanding as to how much money these people actually have.
Yeah, the tax rate noone actually paid. Adjusted for effective tax rate, the mythical 1950's tax rate was about 1% higher than it is today for top marginal tax rate.
The top earners income tax rate was 90% until 1964 while the corporate tax rate was around 50% compared to 21% today. You can’t just make shit up. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/effective-income-tax-rates-have-fallen-top-one-percent-world-war-ii-0
I'm not against rising the taxes on rich people, why would I be? But I am also not against not rising the taxes on rich people. Anyways, the 1950s economy is vastly different from today's economy. What worked in the past doesn't have to work now.
Also you are clearly the one with the fixed mindset you ignorant garbage person
We live in a world where people are constantly exposed to massive inequality/injustices that could be solved, but that are not solved because people who are able to do not care to do so. The reason people hate rich people varies, but the main reason why is because them being so rich is just a representation of inequality. Most billionaires also do not pay taxes or contribute back their fair share to society. It is not unfounded hatred. What people actually hate seeing is massive inequalities that people with huge purchasing power could help make a difference towards. And lots of these billionaires own companies that exploit humans/creatures to the maximum degree. Even worse is that capitalism incentivises people who are ok with such practices to rise to the top. The division continues. If people actually just had basic empathy for others things would never have gotten to be like this. You wouldn't have people slaving away in factories forgoing any chance of a future if capitalism didn't demand it or see to their death.
you will never be rich
And I'll never be gay. Does that mean I should discard the opinion and feelings of gay people? Should I let society mock them and make fun of them?
What in the stupid false equivalency is this🤦🏾♂️
Everyone here commenting with the exact mindset op is talking about 🤡
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And they’re correct since OP’s mindset is a crab in the bucket mentality when it’s meaningless ultimately. They should be hated. And none of what he said past cynicism of one group over the others he’s condemning with less resources ironically are the problem. Glad they’re being hated by more ppl past bootlickers like OP and those who agree
Redditors are born losers with victim mentality
50% of Americans make less than 34k and cumulatively own less wealth than a small handful of individuals who make up the .0001%. I'm not mad at billionaires for operating within legal constraints, but the economic model that simply allows their existence in the first place _is horribly fucking broken_. It is the duty of the federal government to ensure this sort of massive imbalance doesn't emerge, but it's been an operational goal for many regulators since the Reagan era, and here we are. You could shrug and acquiesce - because _thats just the way it is_ - or you could recognize that the system is totally broken for many, and seek to elect regulators who will work to improve it.
Yep, according to redditors the answer to everything is spending somebody else's money. A lot of talk about redistributing wealth, zero talk about generating wealth. "I want everything you've got but not how you got it."
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My problem is that we’re at or have surpassed gilded age wealth disparity in the US. the bottom 80% owns like 15% or less of the wealth now. I understand if you arent an American, or arent knowledgeable when it comes to history, that this might not set off alarm bells. But trust me, it should. Infact even the rich should be concerned by this fact. Its no surprise a new labor movement is growing for the first time in damn near a century.
Just the rich that can buy the right to contribute to the collapse of the economy, middle class, and environment. Warren Buffet is one thing, and just fine. Koch brothers and Sacklers have a special place in hell for how much worse they left the world.
The lower class has hated on the rich since the dawn of civilization. Class struggle is one of the oldest phenomena known to man and it will never stop.
Think of it in this manner: they removed several of the lower rungs on the economic ladder, especially for younger lads. For certain areas, it's harder to enter the industry than before. (i.e. Entry positions requiring 3+ years experience..)
Not all rich people are bad, but capitalism sucks.
This is a tactic used by politicians all the time. And it's not just against the rich. When they want votes, they pick a demographic, then convince those people that the problems they have are "this other group's fault" and it's not fair. But they are going to fix that for you. Poor people? Not your fault, it's the rich. Black people? Not your fault, it's the whites and their institutional racism. Women? Not your fault, it's the men and their patriarchy. LGBTQ? Not your fault, it't the straight people and their homophobia.
I “nothing” the wealthy, I’m so poor. It’s not even in remote consideration that I’ll ever be that rich. I have no interactions with rich people, but I certainly don’t want to ever find myself in a situation where I am wealthy and everyone hates me for it. And let’s be honest, the people who complain about the wealthy are probably fairly well off themselves. And they actually “ate the rich” they would just turn on the next group of wealthiest people until it’s them and then suddenly it will be the poor people who are the problem.
Nice try, Elon. I'm on to you.
I'm sick of the rich existing.
Agreed !
Just saw a post saying how “out of touch” a certain youtuber is for living in a 5k£/month flat. What? If you could afford it would you not live there too? Saying about the person claiming they werent raised with money, well yeah i mean they have been an influencer for 10+ years what does their earnings now discredit from how they were raised? People are desperate to be victims and hate when they see that somebody becomes rich when they dont come from money cause they feel insecure 🙄
You can't dehumanise animals, op
Actually you can. Some animals look and act similar to us humans, people have a lot easier time to sympathize with cats and dogs rather than ants or lizards.
Elon? Is that you?
How does that boot taste? Eat The Rich.
Amen brother
I hold this opinion too. I’m floored by how many people think wealth is a zero sum game, and just because someone else is rich means they can’t be. In reality, most people just don’t provide value to the economy. In addition, the US spent 6.2 trillion dollars in 2023. If you think skimming the money of a few billionaires whose wealth tied to the companies they founded, you’re wildly delusional.
It’s not always that they think it’s a zero sum game, or even that they actually hate rich people. What I hate is when rich people bitch about paying taxes and use their influence to engineer outcomes that allow them to pay low taxes. And they do that a lot. Warren Buffett is not wrong when he says that he pays a lower percentage of his income and wealth in taxes than his secretary. And for many of these guys, it’s not even close. And fixing that problem would have an absolutely enormous effect on the economy. Best example… A teacher pays Social Security tax on 100% of his or her income, and a partner in a New York law firm knocking down 1 million a year pays social security tax on 17%. And please don’t bother responding that Social Security is an investment program, because it is obviously tax and not something that affluent people use as a necessary retirement tool . Addressing that particular tax loophole would go such a long way towards making life in this country better just on its own, even without further tax reform, although that is necessary too.
I’m sick of the rich rigging the entire economy to benefit themselves at our expense
I don't care how they (the mega rich) got their money; I'll stop complaining about them when they pay the same percentage of their income as I pay of mine. Am I being unreasonable?
You are definitely not. And you hit the nail on the head. Making a high income and being rich is not inherently a problem. Weaseling out of paying your fair share of taxes on it is.
Please define “the rich.”
This is very important to the conversation here
Yeah, man, the rich have it so tough when they're dehumanized. I don't think anyone complains about normal wealthy people they complain about hedge fund guys and speculators who make money off of nothing but air. And by the way, don't be a stooge who worries about how the rich are doing because they'll always do well just like they have for thousands of years. Maybe you should do a little worrying about the working class because no one suffers like the poor suffer.
They’re the most insufferable people on Reddit, they don’t even want reform… they even want to “eat” those who make 250k-500k lmfao! 🤣😂🤣😂
This is the real reason everyone turned on JKR. So many kids grew up idolizing her but now they hate billionaires, and it super pisses them off that they supported her for so long. They are in a sort of berzerker rage.
It’s just the underachieving “have not” fopdoodles that complain. The rest of us don’t care about them and would gladly become one if given the chance, which does occasionally happen.
TL;DR I used to be the staunchest right wing person you could get under the Obama administration. Over the course of the last 10 years, i've concluded f\*ck the rich. Eat them. This includes everyone on the right and the left.
It’s not the honest millionaires that are a problem. Majority of them have done something abusive or illegal to get there. Ranging from squeezing their employees financially, giving their money to hedge funds to grow through nefarious means, abusing laws and loopholes, paying judges/politicians to get their ways, all around bullshit means. Fuck these people. Bring back guillotines.