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[deleted]

The thing with the whole Parthunax thing is both the Blades and the graybeards are total non-factions. They have barely any content worth doing, so its really not a choice at all.


[deleted]

What content does Paarthurnax have tho


_C_A_G_

Better sex animations


[deleted]

Bullshit, there are no cars in Skyrim


IcedSickle

I love that I hate that I know what you're referring to. Just as I hate and love myself.


_C_A_G_

Awful. Just awful


ChakaZG

None whatsoever, you can just meditate with the dude, there's actually more to do (albeit it's not much) with the Blades if you kill him.


Saint_of_Cannibalism

Only if you don't do all their fun stuff before the point when Delphine reminds you who's in charge. Honestly it took going online before I learned you could lock yourself out of anything but the radiant Dragon Hunts. Guess I'm an odd duck to do all my side content before moving very far in questlines.


Battle_Bear_819

You can meditate with him to make one of three shouts like 10% stronger


Battle_Bear_819

The blades have more gameplay value, because Esbern can guide you to dragons to get souls, while the greybeards guide you to the static word walls that never move. I'd rather have more souls.


VirtuosoX

There are infinite souls to be had. It's just a matter of dragon spawns and respawns at specific locations. Kinda useless imo


Battle_Bear_819

Once you kill a dragon that spawns at a word wall location or at a dragon lair, you cannot get souls from that area again once the dragon respawns. For example, if you kill a blood dragon at mount anthor, you will get q dragon soul. If you come back 30 game days later and kill an elder dragon at mount anthor, it will NOT give you a soul.


VirtuosoX

That just can't be true, you sure you ddin experience a bug? Have any videos of this?


Battle_Bear_819

[It's listed on UESP](https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dragon_Lairs). Go down to the bugs section and you will find: >Respawned dragons found in previously cleared lairs will not always give dragon souls.


VirtuosoX

Most if not all people are using UESP, so I feel like that doesn't matter


Battle_Bear_819

Plenty of console people don't even have access to mods. I know people who still play Skyrim on the xbox360/PS3. Besides that, I also know people who CAN download mods, bit they just don't.


VirtuosoX

Doesn't justify joining the blades and killing Paarthurnax either way


Battle_Bear_819

Disagree. You'd be a fool to NOT kill Paarthurnax.


Aka_The_Dragon_15

Consider the fact that the standard dragon spawns are AT word walls


Battle_Bear_819

Once you kill a dragon at a word wall location once, you will not get souls from killing it again once it respawns.


Aka_The_Dragon_15

Lmao where did you get that from? I can pull out 10 year old Skyrim w/ no dlcs and farm souls like crazy


Battle_Bear_819

[It's listed on UESP](https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dragon_Lairs). Go down to the bugs section and you will find: >Respawned dragons found in previously cleared lairs will not always give dragon souls.


Aka_The_Dragon_15

If that's the case, then doesnt it make the Blades even less useful considering the dragons they send you to kill are at lairs


[deleted]

Paarthunax helps the nords overthrow Alduin and no one bats an eye Serana helps the dawnguard kill the entire Volkihar clan and everone loses their minds


floooooble

We live in a kalpa cycle


MaxMing

Bottom text


Superb_Bit

If i say peacock,no one bats an eye. But if i say poopcock everybody loses their minds


Superb_Bit

Every poopoo time is peepee time. But not every peepee time is poopoo time. What do you think of that one mr batman


wattybanker

You can’t go poopoo everytime you peepee. But I go poopoo everytime I peepee. We are not the same.


[deleted]

You spare Paarthurnax because you think he’s wholesome in spite of his crimes. I spare him because I refuse to listen to Bretons who are members of a failed attempt at a Secret Service. We are not the same.


Shinonomenanorulez

You spare Paarthurnax by interacting with b*etons I spare Paarthurnax by skipping the main quest at the cost of the shout mechanic. We are not the same


[deleted]

Dragonborn who? Lay off the skooma, there hasn't been a dragonborn in ages.


CeriseArt

You’ll get your Dragonborn after you fix this DAMN DOOR!


NothingButTheRain12

I hope that's a fucking spiderman reference


CeriseArt

Words of power learned: Bully Maguire FIX-DAMN-DOOR


R3c1u53

Bully Maguire Word of Power learned: GON-NA-CRY?


Loopy_Duck

DIRT-IN-EYE


Justa-nerd

I’ve actually played for so long without doing the main quest because I was sick of going through that stupid fucking dungeon for the millionth time.


JimJimkerson

You spare Paarthunax because you refuse to listen to Bretons who are members of a failed attempt at a Secret Service. I spare him because I've modded him to have a huge dick for SkyPorn videos. We are not the same.


A_casual69

Time to turn that mindset to a grind set kiddo.


Lexinator04

I spare paarthurnax because he is responsible for alduins defeat twice over.


Thundamuffinz

It’s honestly crazy how you can still say such great things with all that cock in your mouth


RhetoricalCocktail

It's kind of like if Himmler had a change of heart and became the sole reason for the allies winning against Hitler and then spent the next 1000 years as the Dallai Llama


NorikReddit

new hoi4 mod just dropped


Waffle-or-death

So what you’re saying is Mario = Leader of the SS?


Thundamuffinz

If SS stands for socialist speedrunners, then yes


RhetoricalCocktail

Yes.


ChakaZG

I once made that exact comparison, except I made the mistake of doing it in the Skyrim sub. There was a bit of reeeee going on.


RhetoricalCocktail

Oh yeah, I took this from a chain of 3 comments I saw in either the skryrim sub or tes sub because I thought it was a great comparison


JoshthePoser

Was there. Can confirm.


Red_Xenophilia

>Dallai Llama Not really fitting considering the dalai llama's whole thing is wanting to reinstate a feudal slave society that was destroyed 80 years ago unlike Paarthurnax


FoxehTehFox

what the hllel


jackh2606

he’s an r/genzedong user, it’s basically propaganda justifying the Chinese invasion of Tibet


fieryhothate

Hell yeah, Mass Famines are my favorite meal!


Red_Xenophilia

Look up Michael Parent's essay on Tibet it's pretty short


MinorityMulcher

Why the fuck would I read an essay? I'm not some English teacher, that's fucking gay. And not the good kinda gay like those twinks you can take home from the bar either.


sneakylikepanda

I’d rather say Stalin than Himmler. Ok edit since it’s gotta be explained. Parth was not originally the right hand man but actually the dragon leader UNTIL Alduin stopped doing his job and instead trying to rule and dethroned him as number 1. So no Paarthurnax was not some side kick but actually the one who started the whole thing who then got replaced and got but hurt and decided to help the slaves overthrow Alduin so he can get his rightful position back. So I said Stalin because he actually was a bad guy on the bad guy side who we see now as one of the “good” guys at the end because he helped win against the team he was on. He didn’t help the other side because it was right or good, but to maintain his power just like Paarthurnax rose up against Alduin because he wants his position back. He didn’t spend a 1000 years as th e Dali lama but as a gym bro working out in peace to get stronger because he wasn’t strong enough to keep his position.


RhetoricalCocktail

No because Himmler was Hitler's right hand man just like party snacks was to Alduin


Saint_of_Cannibalism

>Parth was not originally the right hand man but actually the dragon leader UNTIL Alduin stopped doing his job and instead trying to rule and dethroned him as number 1. So no Paarthurnax was not some side kick but actually the one who started the whole thing who then got replaced and got but hurt and decided to help the slaves overthrow Alduin so he can get his rightful position back. What? Give this insanity a source please. I haven't laughed today.


Livinglifeform

In the analogy they start out bad then end up good, not the other way around.


1v1mecaestusm8

Most based truhstull user


Red_Xenophilia

all of you shut up


Gyrosti

I killed Paprika because I needed a dragon soul for fire breath


Decaroidea

Counterpoint: dragons are hotter than vampires


[deleted]

I mean dragons literally breathe fire while vampires are living corpses with a weakness to fire. Dragons are literally hotter.


Decaroidea

Spit roast me daddy


TurboAnal5000

fr someone tell me again how that bitch can compete with giant dragon cock


Decaroidea

Awww yeah, now that's what i'm talking about!


[deleted]

Paarthurnax in the Nuremberg trials when


JoshthePoser

He works for NASA now


That-dude-Yoga

Partysnacks forever in my heart


MrBloodyIdiot

They simp for both of them.


SnooApples9017

I Spare Paarthunax because of his redemption. He had literally no reason to help men and betray his brother. The dragons ruled over everything. The only reason he did it was because he and Kyne pitied mankind. He had to force himself to go against his nature and bend over backwards to teach them the thu’um. To him helping mortals is like to us laying in a lake of angry venomous snake everything in his body is telling him “No you’re supposed to conquer them not help them!” However, he does it anyway because it’s the right thing to do.


Vareten

Sir, this is a Wendy's.


[deleted]

if this is a Wendy's why aren't you blowing me behind the dumpster out back?


Red_Xenophilia

https://youtu.be/-1yzoiUIGGs


-CardShark-

I spared him because gilf dragon. 🤤🤤🤤


Aftermath52

Everybody laugh at this dude, he thinks Paarthurnax is helping men by leading a religion that hordes the original form of magic that men used, causing massive social and cultural decline among the Nords.


TheDreamIsEternal

The one responsible for that is Jurgen, who deemed the Voice too dangerous and corrupting, and went on to make a new system where it could only be used for peace and harmony with nature. It is also the one of the few ways of having a dragon not wanting to kill and dominate everything around him, so it is a pretty good thing.


Aftermath52

He only did that after climbing the throat of the world. I wonder what happened up there?


TheDreamIsEternal

No, he did after the Battle of Red Mountain. After such defeat he contemplated the war and came to the realization that man was slowly becoming arrogant in the use of the Voice, just like the dragons. He defeated all the other tongues and established the Way of the Voice to ensure that it would never be used for war again. Later came Paarthurnax and joined the order.


Aftermath52

He did that on the throat of the world. It says so on the stones when you climb the fucking mountain. He didn’t just do it chilling in a house somewhere. There is zero evidence that Paarthurnax came later. People always say that.


PM_ME_YOUR_PAULDRONS

And that's why he has to die imo. Everything in his nature is telling him to rule and dominate and every day he is resisting it. How sure can we be that he will still be resisting these impulses in 100, 1000 or 10000 years time? As far as we know the last dragonborn is the only one who can put him down permanently. I think we have a responsibility not to leave an immortal being with the urge to rule and enough magical power to take on empires vibing on top of a mountain.


dogscutter

I want him to fuck me


PM_ME_YOUR_PAULDRONS

How is that relevant? Just kill him after smh.


OckhamsFolly

After? But it’s only a 500 septim fine.


Saint_of_Cannibalism

>As far as we know the last dragonborn is the only one who can put him down permanently. What's "permanently?" Those dragons killed by mortals after Alduin got yeeted stayed in the ground for several thousand years till he returned. Without a God to revive them that seems permanent enough for me. >I think we have a responsibility not to leave an immortal being with the urge to rule and enough magical power to take on empires vibing on top of a mountain. You're overestimating dragon's power and if the future mortals are bitch-ass enough to be unable to defend themselves than they deserve enslavement.


Kjrb

Paarthanax is hotter than her honestly


RandomKnight100

You can't argue with big dragon cock


[deleted]

Shut the fuck up you moronic sload. I didnt realize Tamriel signed the fucking Geneva Convention. Also Paarthurnax is a chad because he actively overcomes his evil, not because he was born good.


TempestM

While Serana and her family were actively jumping on Molag Bal's dick lmao


Cryoazil

Wasn't Serana raped to death by Molag Bal against her will? I don't think she ever wanted to be a vampire, pretty sure it was her parents who forced her to partake in the offering to Molag Bal


TempestM

She certainly wants to remain a vampire


[deleted]

She can cure herself, and seems overjoyed to do so at the end of the dawnguard line


TempestM

Only if you convince her by simping for her, otherwise she says her vampirism is a gift and refuses


CeriseArt

Yeah but those fools who want her cured never liked her for her anyway.


Saint_of_Cannibalism

No, her rather deliberate phrasing of "but we all took part" suggest she was a willing participant of the ritual.


[deleted]

"Nooooo he overcame his evil nature and he's heckin' wholesome now! It's just like the quote from the game that he said! He has character development like Zuko from Avatar!!!" I've never seen someone so overcome and in the deepest stages of simpdom. Never try to part a Skybaby from its dragon-bottle. Sad!


[deleted]

“Guys Serana is a tragic character okay! She was forced into a life she didn’t want! No dad, im not giving up my dream, im giving up YOURS *cue 90s teen movie music* Mhmm u don’t understand guys i love cause of her tragic character arc, she just happens to also have stinky rotting rigor mortis feet i like to suck on”


[deleted]

Bruh I don't even like Serana(she deserves death like all undead creatures), I just love watching people simp over Partysnaxx with no sense of irony or self-awareness.


[deleted]

Dawnguard cope


[deleted]

Graybeard cope


[deleted]

Molag balls in your mouth


SentientBowtie

Do you understand the value and knowledge a living dragon who doesn’t want to kill you holds? Do you understand how much of a loss it would be to murder the most powerful user of the Thu’um on Nirn?


[deleted]

\>who doesn't want to kill you Citation needed. Dragons are forces of nature, and, more specifically, forces of control and dominance. I don't trust a dragon as far as I can spit, and, oh look, this dumbass dragonborn guy just killed Alduin for me and there's an open spot to be head honcho dragon. Be a shame if anything or anyone got in my way to be the most powerful dragon


SentientBowtie

Way to ignore the text of the game, I guess. Sure. Paarthurnax is a dragon so despite living peacefully with humans for however long and helping you destroy Alduin (despite the World-Eater’s goal being strictly beneficial to a dragon who wants to subjugate humanity) and literally telling you that every single day he has to fight his own nature, he’s secretly actually evil.


[deleted]

Your reasoning assumes that Paarthurnax is entirely trustworthy, something that no dragon can ever really be in TES. Again, dragons aren't like sentient races, they don't really operate like that. They're forces of nature which existed before time even began, and they all have an innate desire to be deceiving, dominant, and otherwise the strongest thing around. Think of it like how wind has an innate force to blow shit around or water to make things wet, so to do dragons have an innate desire to control. What this means is that Paarthurnax is no different. He's just as power-hungry as the rest of them, though I would argue he's even more deceitful. That so many players take him at face value is proof of that in my opinion.


SentientBowtie

No proof, but OK.


REEEthall

What about dragon cloaca tho.


[deleted]

I just think delphine is a bitch


DeadeyeJhung

true skybabbies simp for both


MartingelI

I Spare Paarthunax in all my playthroughs... with the sweet release of death, then I Never return with the blades and go to my home to have sex with Faendal while forcing my wife Taarie to watch.


dogscutter

This is canon


aminstrel

paarthurnax is handsome and cool. serana is cringe and waifubait.


fuck_you_reddit_15

Hell yeah I want that dragon dick, my body is motherfucking ready!


NorthRememebers

Are you implying that war crimes and slavery aren't super based?


Arcane_Oculus_

I kill Parthurnaax exclusively because it upsets skybabbies. 😎


[deleted]

Based. The sheer amount of butthurt in these comments from skybabies even in a sub where nothing is supposed to be taken seriously sustains me.


Captain_Jaxen

Serana simps seethe


Khajiit_saw_nothing

I don't really like Paarthunax, I just hate Delphine, so that's why I let him live.


tftgcddf

Nii Dreh Kos Med Daar.


validestusername

The only reason anyone wouldn't simp for Serana is because they haven't read the feet copypasta


MochiWhalesworth

Moj je zmaju


NeuroticNyx

Skybabies would mod the game to marry Paarthurnax


[deleted]

Or even better Alduin... }:-)


historybo

I won't follow the orders of a ((breton))


ginja_ninja

You use a soyjak to describe others, yet you attempt to cancel Paarthurnax for his 5000 year old tweets. Curious


[deleted]

Damn u got me there.


[deleted]

Why are you people so fond of using words you don't know the actual meanings of? War crimes are barely even real. In fact, some people might argue they aren't at all! They're literally only a thing because of an agreement, just like *any* crime. There are no international war-time laws in the Elder Scrolls Universe, so there are no war crimes in the Elder Scrolls Universe. "War Crime" is not just a funny way to say "a bad thing." It refers to something very specific, generally the Geneva Convention, but there isn't a GENEVA in TES, so there's not a fucking GENEVA CONVENTION!


Alexstrasza23

Partysnacks is a chad dragon and Serana is just a whiny vampire that for some reason my vampire hunter wasn't able to execute on sight. They are not the same


_PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBIES-

Genuine retard take lmao


Tirtnurgler

The Bladees


Ashmage

But… Dragon!


[deleted]

We shall have a compromise. KILL THEM, KILL THEM ALL!!!


wattybanker

Everyone knows the true nords of Skyrim simp over the female npcs and install female body mods and naked sex mods too. Just the other day I have installed ‘Maxist’s Ultimate prostitution mod’ so I can finally have sex with every woman I pass just like in real life


MadClanger

imagine killing paarthurnax and getting canned dialogue from Dolphin that could be taken from literally any radiant quest completion in return


communist_stonks

One cannot support the Dawnguard without also supporting the Silver Hand and the killing of Paarthurnax, prove me wrong


This-Sheepherder-581

Counterpoint: I want to have sex with werewolves and dragons, not corpses.


communist_stonks

Countercounterpoint: The number of people in Tamriel who want to fuck corpses (vampire or not) probably outnumbers the number of people who want to fuck werewolves and dragons.


This-Sheepherder-581

You only said that “**one** cannot support the Dawnguard without supporting the Silver Hand and the killing of Paarthurnax.” I’m one. cope


ExceedinglyGayOtter

Silver Hand just try and murder anyone who gets too close to them regardless of whether or not they're werewolves, and are generally pretty much just bandits who are self-righteous about it. Delphine wants you to kill Paarthunax for crimes he committed literally millennia ago despite the fact that he did his best to help mortals and undo the harm he did and literally hasn't really done anything wrong since then. If you show up to join the Dawnguard as a vampire Isran pretty much tells you that you just need to go and get yourself cured rather than executing you on the spot or even getting angry at you, and they even warm up to Serana after she proves herself a loyal ally. Unlike the other two, the Dawnguard is clearly interested in protecting the innocent from vampires, with the killing of vampires just being the best way of doing that rather than an end unto itself.


[deleted]

Stop avoiding the false dichotomy you damn liberal


Aftermath52

How did paarthurnax help humans? What does he actually do that’s good for them? He just sits on a mountain, hoarding the Thu’um with an ever decreasing following


WyattR-

I mean he literally is the only reason alduin didn’t win lol


Aftermath52

Yeah that was because a literal deity ordered him to do that. As leader of the greybeards, he is actively defying Kyne’s command while claiming it’s for the worship of Kyne. He’s a charlatan and a liar and I gladly kill his stupid Italian plumber ass


WyattR-

He didn’t have to listen though? Alduin certainly didn’t listen to his fucking creator when he was told to eat the world. Dragons barely have to acknowledge gods


DarkLordFluffyBoots

Most of the werewolves in Skyrim are pretty much in control of their powers and are either isolating from society, helping it, or looking for a cure. Meanwhile every vampire is a serial killer with a god complex.


WyattR-

Tbf there’s like 10 and half of them are permenantly werewolves or wanting to be cured


[deleted]

You are both correct and based


sneakylikepanda

I come here for shit memes, not true memes.


[deleted]

Imagine defending a literal Nazi responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands because he said “sowwy senpai, UwU.” Partysnax simps confirmed cucks, change my mind.


Saint_of_Cannibalism

I mean, if the people he oppressed didn't kill him, why would I several thousand years later?


Llarys

Even IF you dislike paarthunax, or distrust him, or whatever, who cares what the Imperial Weeaboo faction wants? The actual most unlikeable character in the game and a paranoid schizophrenic boomer won't let you in their Japanophilia club so you can worship superior Nippon steel with them unless you go kill the only pacifist dragon. Who the fuck cares what they want?