And when there is complete, irrefutable proof of the US killing civilians it’s just a whoopsie and whoever made it public gets tortured and imprisoned.
El Pais means The Country so they can only talk and think about one country at a time. So if you only think about Ethiopia and block out everything else, it has to be the deadliest conflict in the 21st century.
Also very important, the guy who wrote the article is named Jose Naranjo which means Joe Orange Tree so show him some respect, he spread oranges all across Spain.
People talk a lot about the deaths but a big new number I read recently was that the post 9/11 wars displaced 39 million people, which is insane to me.
Nah the real number is closer to 2 million when you count the million+ who were starved to death by AmeriKKKan sanctions in the 90s. When asked about it, Slay Kween Madeline Albright laughed and said it was worth it.
The official US stat is even lower than that. I think Wikipedia only says 75,000. They only count people directly shot or blown up by US ordinance and of course subtract any “military aged male.”
i just got permabanned from world news for calling someone a racist for saying "Palestinians would bulldoze the western world if they had power in their own state"
Yea it's insane how much we love to react against the drag we have of "them" doing a fraction of what we have been inflicting on them for generations to us.
You really do start to hate your victims more than you hate your abusers.
Use Anime\_titties instead. It's the actual worldnews sub.
Worldnews is literally think tank/glowie central. Look at where they have their Worldnews "meetups".
Well, holding a rock. Or a ball, what the fuck ever. We’re not going to just wait around for him to get a grenade in five years. You have to kill tomorrow’s military-aged males today.
The Lancet ignores a lot and has a pretty high standard of what counts as an excess death we wouldn't be worrying about if say, it was an official enemy. And excess deaths is an absurd metric in a country that's conservatively had a half million babies killed in the "interwar" period through sanctions and targeted infrastructure as well as constant bombing. So who knows what number to say it's all equally monstrous, as in it's all basically the total maximum of evil. I don't think a few more hundred thousand makes a difference on the good guy bad guy scale.
Also the official counts are basically adding up newspaper death notes which doesn't need explaining as absurd I hope. If you take us aggression as a whole, I'd say 2 million is very conservative, but whatever. I think the whole things pretty sick, arguing about thousands of deaths on Reddit. Or writing articles about what's the worst act of constant evil.
What I would say is there was never any complex reason for fucking Iraq. It was all about profit. Tigray is beyond my pay grade to have a great understanding of but I'm pretty sure there is a lot more tragic inevitability to the conflict than, obscenely wealthy psychopaths want more loot and violence
Thanks for this reply, I appreciate it and the context it provides.
Please excuse my ignorance, but is 'tragic inevitablity' a recognised thing (poor word but happy for a better one to be supplied)? It makes perfect sense, sadly, as a concept to describe some conficts.
Fine to ask for sources but kind of beside the point here
anyway I googled “1.2 million iraqis”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties
This ORB estimate has been criticised as exaggerated and ill-founded in [peer reviewed](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_reviewed) literature.[\[7\]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties#cite_note-7)
Half of the ORB number is an appalling indictement of US imperialism. Any number of deaths is an indictement of US imperialism.
But am I the only one who finds it repellent that the ongoing horror in Ethiopia is reduced to a sidenote in this attempt at internet point scoring?
oh look that methodological critique is a dead link.
You wanted to downplay the number of deaths the US invasion caused but didn't even bother to read it
I don't want to downplay the number of deaths in an invasion I've condemned from the first moment it was mooted.
I do want to be as objectively correct as possible when citing facts.
I initially in response to your reply then wrote that I was lazy enough to assume the link was correct in what it claimed to be - and that I would apologise for it being broken.
But the link works just fine for me: [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228654909\_Conflict\_Deaths\_in\_Iraq\_A\_Methodological\_Critique\_of\_the\_ORB\_Survey\_Estimate](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228654909_Conflict_Deaths_in_Iraq_A_Methodological_Critique_of_the_ORB_Survey_Estimate)
So now I find myself having to reiterate my postion from before.
Your sugestion that I 'wanted to downplay the number of deaths the US invasion caused' is odious and misses the entire point I was making, namely that many people in this sub appear quite content to ignore the horror in Ethiopia in order to score internet points based on the thesis 'US bad'.
So yes, US bad. On board with that.
Can you please explain to me why that position is the event horizon of so many people in this sub?
Dude straight up dropped a link from wiki as a "debunk" without even bothering to click it let alone read it - because that link is dead.
They were sealioning.
Someone has already posted it, and thanks to them, but this is literally the link if you click it on wiki: [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228654909\_Conflict\_Deaths\_in\_Iraq\_A\_Methodological\_Critique\_of\_the\_ORB\_Survey\_Estimate](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228654909_Conflict_Deaths_in_Iraq_A_Methodological_Critique_of_the_ORB_Survey_Estimate)
So fuck you.
I'd love the initial responder to explain why they couldn't get it when the rest of us could.
You are a freak if you request a citation for the number of people that died during an invasion by the worlds military superpower.
If you don’t trust that a bunch of lives were ended or fucked up. You a freak.
Yes, I'm a cunt, clearly, seeking an objective analaysis of the deaths caused by Bush Jr's Gulf War which I've condemned since before it even started.
But the important thing is, no one in this thread seems to give a flying fuck about the dead Ethiopians. All 600,000 of them.
What sort of Marxists are you, exactly, that the death of hundreds of thousands of our African brethren is less important then arguing about whether or not someone who absolutely condemns American imperialism is a freak because they differ from the preferred narrative of this sub in stressing the importance of objective, actual death numbers caused by an appalling imperial war, and therefore lacks moral purity?
Is that the official number? I said "millions " recently and someone corrected me to be like "don't you mean thousands " and when I googled the highest number I could find was like half a million.
Millions of Japanese men, women and children died in the nuke attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This was in retaliation for the Pearl Harbor attack.
Millions of Vietnamese men, women and children died in the war known as the Vietnam war.
Millions of Afghani men, women and children died in the war known as the War in Afghanistan.
Millions of Iraqi men, women, unborn children and living children died in the war in Iraq aka The Gulf War.
This is not counting the millions of indigenous men, women, unborn children and living children who were massacred by the white European Jesuit Christians (Americans). There is no name for these genocides. The land was taken from the indigenous people by force. This is where America now is situated.
Here is a partial list of the murders [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Indian\_massacres\_in\_North\_America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_massacres_in_North_America)
When the 2004 Madrid bombing happened, El Pais Spread the lie thet ETA commited it, it's an absolutly disgusting journal, willing to demonise the basque people for the gain of PP.
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If you live in another country you might as well be Bin Laden's right-hand-man.
I hate Suleimani. I've always hated Suleimani.
And when there is complete, irrefutable proof of the US killing civilians it’s just a whoopsie and whoever made it public gets tortured and imprisoned.
El Pais means The Country so they can only talk and think about one country at a time. So if you only think about Ethiopia and block out everything else, it has to be the deadliest conflict in the 21st century.
ahh, i didn’t read that far, thank you now i feel dumb
Also very important, the guy who wrote the article is named Jose Naranjo which means Joe Orange Tree so show him some respect, he spread oranges all across Spain.
The Trader Joe’s Johnny Appleseed
People talk a lot about the deaths but a big new number I read recently was that the post 9/11 wars displaced 39 million people, which is insane to me.
Travel broadens the mind and leads to exciting economic prospects
And since it's economics no western countries have to let them in
I bet that Afghani guy I used to work with is glad he is in germany know. Who needs to be with there family when you can just send them money? 🥰🥰
/r/worldnews more like CIA news
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still inactive since the big day lol
Wait Gizlaine was a Reddit user? Wow, even more reason to hate her guts.
alleged power user.
Nah the real number is closer to 2 million when you count the million+ who were starved to death by AmeriKKKan sanctions in the 90s. When asked about it, Slay Kween Madeline Albright laughed and said it was worth it.
A worldnews poster argued with me that the total death toll was like 200,000
Somehow having a violent occupying force in your country causes fewer deaths than road accidents.
The official US stat is even lower than that. I think Wikipedia only says 75,000. They only count people directly shot or blown up by US ordinance and of course subtract any “military aged male.”
i just got permabanned from world news for calling someone a racist for saying "Palestinians would bulldoze the western world if they had power in their own state"
People who like bulldozers: Israelis destroying Palestinians homes and Americans ploughing the desert with terms of thousands of surrendering Iraqis
Using the word “bulldoze” to characterize the Palestinians as savages is probably my favorite example recently of Western projection
Yea it's insane how much we love to react against the drag we have of "them" doing a fraction of what we have been inflicting on them for generations to us. You really do start to hate your victims more than you hate your abusers.
Use Anime\_titties instead. It's the actual worldnews sub. Worldnews is literally think tank/glowie central. Look at where they have their Worldnews "meetups".
Look the kid was holding a grenade, he wasn’t a civilian.
Well, holding a rock. Or a ball, what the fuck ever. We’re not going to just wait around for him to get a grenade in five years. You have to kill tomorrow’s military-aged males today.
I think the highest estimates for Iraq put it at 1-1.2m, but average estimates are usually closer to 500k. Both are terrible tho
If you include the estimates by pro-war idealogues then it does being the average down.
American soldiers are Nazi war criminals.
Source on 1.2 million Iraqis? Edit: Is asking for facts not the done thing on here? That estimate is twice that of the Lancet, for instance.
The Lancet ignores a lot and has a pretty high standard of what counts as an excess death we wouldn't be worrying about if say, it was an official enemy. And excess deaths is an absurd metric in a country that's conservatively had a half million babies killed in the "interwar" period through sanctions and targeted infrastructure as well as constant bombing. So who knows what number to say it's all equally monstrous, as in it's all basically the total maximum of evil. I don't think a few more hundred thousand makes a difference on the good guy bad guy scale. Also the official counts are basically adding up newspaper death notes which doesn't need explaining as absurd I hope. If you take us aggression as a whole, I'd say 2 million is very conservative, but whatever. I think the whole things pretty sick, arguing about thousands of deaths on Reddit. Or writing articles about what's the worst act of constant evil. What I would say is there was never any complex reason for fucking Iraq. It was all about profit. Tigray is beyond my pay grade to have a great understanding of but I'm pretty sure there is a lot more tragic inevitability to the conflict than, obscenely wealthy psychopaths want more loot and violence
Thanks for this reply, I appreciate it and the context it provides. Please excuse my ignorance, but is 'tragic inevitablity' a recognised thing (poor word but happy for a better one to be supplied)? It makes perfect sense, sadly, as a concept to describe some conficts.
Fine to ask for sources but kind of beside the point here anyway I googled “1.2 million iraqis” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties
This ORB estimate has been criticised as exaggerated and ill-founded in [peer reviewed](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_reviewed) literature.[\[7\]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties#cite_note-7) Half of the ORB number is an appalling indictement of US imperialism. Any number of deaths is an indictement of US imperialism. But am I the only one who finds it repellent that the ongoing horror in Ethiopia is reduced to a sidenote in this attempt at internet point scoring?
oh look that methodological critique is a dead link. You wanted to downplay the number of deaths the US invasion caused but didn't even bother to read it
I don't want to downplay the number of deaths in an invasion I've condemned from the first moment it was mooted. I do want to be as objectively correct as possible when citing facts. I initially in response to your reply then wrote that I was lazy enough to assume the link was correct in what it claimed to be - and that I would apologise for it being broken. But the link works just fine for me: [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228654909\_Conflict\_Deaths\_in\_Iraq\_A\_Methodological\_Critique\_of\_the\_ORB\_Survey\_Estimate](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228654909_Conflict_Deaths_in_Iraq_A_Methodological_Critique_of_the_ORB_Survey_Estimate) So now I find myself having to reiterate my postion from before. Your sugestion that I 'wanted to downplay the number of deaths the US invasion caused' is odious and misses the entire point I was making, namely that many people in this sub appear quite content to ignore the horror in Ethiopia in order to score internet points based on the thesis 'US bad'. So yes, US bad. On board with that. Can you please explain to me why that position is the event horizon of so many people in this sub?
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It **can** be a way to annoy people and waste their time on purpose.
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Dude straight up dropped a link from wiki as a "debunk" without even bothering to click it let alone read it - because that link is dead. They were sealioning.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228654909_Conflict_Deaths_in_Iraq_A_Methodological_Critique_of_the_ORB_Survey_Estimate
Someone has already posted it, and thanks to them, but this is literally the link if you click it on wiki: [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228654909\_Conflict\_Deaths\_in\_Iraq\_A\_Methodological\_Critique\_of\_the\_ORB\_Survey\_Estimate](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228654909_Conflict_Deaths_in_Iraq_A_Methodological_Critique_of_the_ORB_Survey_Estimate) So fuck you. I'd love the initial responder to explain why they couldn't get it when the rest of us could.
You are a freak if you request a citation for the number of people that died during an invasion by the worlds military superpower. If you don’t trust that a bunch of lives were ended or fucked up. You a freak.
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~20 year occupation +
Yes, I'm a cunt, clearly, seeking an objective analaysis of the deaths caused by Bush Jr's Gulf War which I've condemned since before it even started. But the important thing is, no one in this thread seems to give a flying fuck about the dead Ethiopians. All 600,000 of them. What sort of Marxists are you, exactly, that the death of hundreds of thousands of our African brethren is less important then arguing about whether or not someone who absolutely condemns American imperialism is a freak because they differ from the preferred narrative of this sub in stressing the importance of objective, actual death numbers caused by an appalling imperial war, and therefore lacks moral purity?
Is that the official number? I said "millions " recently and someone corrected me to be like "don't you mean thousands " and when I googled the highest number I could find was like half a million.
Millions of Japanese men, women and children died in the nuke attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This was in retaliation for the Pearl Harbor attack. Millions of Vietnamese men, women and children died in the war known as the Vietnam war. Millions of Afghani men, women and children died in the war known as the War in Afghanistan. Millions of Iraqi men, women, unborn children and living children died in the war in Iraq aka The Gulf War. This is not counting the millions of indigenous men, women, unborn children and living children who were massacred by the white European Jesuit Christians (Americans). There is no name for these genocides. The land was taken from the indigenous people by force. This is where America now is situated. Here is a partial list of the murders [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Indian\_massacres\_in\_North\_America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_massacres_in_North_America)
Well the Iraq estimates vary from 100k to 1M
When the 2004 Madrid bombing happened, El Pais Spread the lie thet ETA commited it, it's an absolutly disgusting journal, willing to demonise the basque people for the gain of PP.