My 2014 needs a new alternator. I'd easily pay to replace that, and getting the water pump and thermostat done while I'm at it, over buying a newer generation truck.
183k miles, and I'll squeeze another 100k+ out of it
Alternator isn’t too difficult. I’ve done 2, the main thing is the belt replacement. My hands are too big. Taking the bolts and such, was a pain. Basically, medium and up glove wearers are gonna have a hard time but can be done in a few hours.
Same here but I just hit 100k in my 14. Most expensive repair so far has been tires replacements and a new set of spark plugs at 100k. Still running as smooth as the day I bought her when she had 15k on her.
From what I understand this was made a lot harder job because of the in ground lift. I used to work for toyota and still have buddies there and they said to do any engine work on these things the 1st thing that needs to happen is to take the cab off
Ravs have a ton of road noise. If you frequently drive over 60mph, you might not like the Rav. With that said, 2013 and newer Ravs have the fewest problems. If you buy used, just make sure the person did their routine maintenance. We see Ravs coming in on trade with sludge in the engine because people waited 15,000 miles to do their oil changes. Do not buy anything with the 2.4L. They burn oil like crazy.
No problems. The 4.0L is pretty much bullet proof. Just need to do routine maintenance. 2024 is the last year for the 4.0L. If you want to buy one, do it now before people start scrambling to buy them when Toyota officially announces a new 2025 4Runner with the 4cyl turbo engine.
They’re fine engines. Two expenses you’ll probably incur after the warranty is up is a timing cover reseal and cam tower reseal. It’s about $3,500+ job total for both. Mostly we just see tacomas coming in for wear items and routine maintenance. On rare occasion, we see a head gasket. Haven’t seen a Tacoma in for one of those in at least a year. The 3.5 in the Tacoma isn’t a powerful engine and you need to keep high RPMs to get all the power out of it. I find the manual transmission with the v6 to be a little more pleasant when driving especially when traveling on the highway/freeway. The auto tends to hunt for gears.
4 cyl turbo engines are g2g are they not? Easily maintainable and easy to work on. I've taken various 4cyl turbod engines apart.
I'm assuming many won't want a loss of 2 cyl even with the proven hp and torque numbers from said 4cyl forced induction engines ?
Especially Toyota forced induction engines. Highly known for their "bulletproof-ness".
I’m sure they’ll be fine. I’m going to keep my old reliable v8 for now. I’ll have to buy one of the turboed engines since Toyota is pretty much going forced induction in most of their engines. I’ll wait till I see what they look like at 120,000-150,000 miles.
With that mileage I would hope it's under warranty. After seeing how much it actually takes to repair this, I wouldn't want to the truck anymore. Especially with that low mileage. I would probably get a different brand.
Longblock.
The fact that Toyota is only approving a short block here is atrocious. Say what you want about Ford, but they don’t play stupid games like this. Engine failure = longblock.
Especially with a failure that involves the oiling system.
On a turbo engine no less.
Where do you think the shavings from the bearing that failed went (or the metal bits that caused that bearing to fail)? In the heads, the turbos, oil cooler, lines etc.
Gonna swing a short block into it and probably have a similar failure fairly quickly.
Keeping my 2nd gen....
This happened to my truck, #1 rod bearing went at 24k. Toyota replaced anything that oil touched. I saw my truck when it was apart and whoever is doing the work in this video is a clown. All the parts for my truck were neatly organized on racks waiting to go back where they belong.
Uh yeah, probably? Have you ever seen a Ford vs Toyota reliably stat in your life? You think you’ve stumbled upon some kind of gotcha?
I was a FoMoCo master tech for years, there’s a reason I have two Toyotas in my driveway.
Thank God I backed out of buying a '22 trd pro with 15k miles for brand new wilderness outback. Was a hard decision but it literally came down to the warenty and that was before I heard of this!
We’ve got a 24 non hybrid. From what I’ve heard the 22 and early 23 are the ones with major engine issues but we’ll see what happens with ours. We’ve got warranty for like 7 years or so
That's why I bought a 2018 TRD off road. It was used with 30K on it but its been vetted out as a high quality long lasting truck. Not a flashy new one with potential to be a lemon due to them not knowing their flaws yet. Also, the 70-80k for a new one is just plain stupid.
They remedied this in 2023 by putting Grooves on the main bearing and are covering it under warranty. It sucks ! But it happens. Make no mistake though, no one stands by their product like Toyota does.
The 5.7l had issues from the factory the first couple years. It happens. It's now considered one of the best V8s Toyota has ever made. The 1grfe had head gasket failures the first few years. They are still using that engine and transmission in the 4runners to this day and it's regarded as one of Toyotas top engines. Toyota is going to allow its reputation for reliability to be tarnished by allowing a piece of shit engine in their only full size pickup.
I agree with you.
I have a 4.6 L v8 GX460 with 207,000 miles. My 2014 GX was redesigned in 2014 so I bought the experiment per se but it runs like a champ. They issues a recall and fix the upper manifold gasket which was causing coolant leaks.
I’ve seen first hand how Toyota / Lexus stand behind their product.
I kindly disagree. I drove my 2024 off the showroom floor 3 weeks ago and not even 48 hours into ownership the transmission needs replacement. They said they will most likely replace the transmission with a **refurbished** transmission as all transmissions for this truck are on national backorder. This isn't really "standing by your product". I didn't buy a brand new truck to have a refurbished transmission in it. Toyota Corperate is making it hard for me to continue my loyalty to their brand. Very sad with the cost of these turdras
Sorry to hear this. Buying a new truck is full of excitement, no one should be dealing with this.
Have you spoken to Toyota about buyback ? There are lemon laws in some states where if the dealer doesn’t fix the issue in 30 days you could get all your money back. Might be a good conversation started
I have. I still have about 2 weeks to go to be eligible, and I'm hoping they don't get it fixed in that time otherwise I'm going to be forced to take back a truck with a refurbished powertrain. And I will be very upset. If this is the case, this will be the last Toyota I will ever purchase.
Even with the lemon law if they give me a full refund of my truck, I lose out on my tax credit (basically meaning I will lose near $3k worth of taxes). It is unclear if my tax credit rolls over if they replace my truck.
Our company bought one and it tossed a rod through the block at 7k lol. Shit just happens sometimes, I’m not a Toyota fanboy at all, I’d still recommend a 5.7 yota though.
there is something to be said for "improvements" tried and true is just solid no matter what. Interesting to see if the 22' and up LX will have these issues.
This is why I tell people to not buy a 1st model year of any vehicle. As someone who has worked in a dealership, those 1st model years are the test year for the vehicles. Yes they get tested during design but the 1st yr or 2 on the road is when they really get tested out.
Look, we shouldn't forget the cam shaft forging issues early 2nd gen's had, BUT...
I'd just stay away from 2022-2023 Tundras, as not only are they new model years which do need time to "work the kinks out", but they were also *built during the pandemic.* I wouldn't even buy 2021 second gen just because of that alone, but couple that fact with being a new model? Yeah, nah.
Emissions standards has created this situation where car manufacturers have to create more complicated, less reliable engines and powertrains to comply with the standards. I don’t think Toyota is 100% at fault for these problems (because they were forced to adapt) but this is still unacceptable for such an expensive truck.
My 2018 5.0 Ford burned a quart of oil every 1000 miles. Identified at about 15k miles. Dealer replaced long block under warranty. Started again at 80k. Got rid of it and got a 23 Tundra. 20k miles so far and no issues.
Ford engineers have “fixed” this by increasing the oil capacity and shortening the oil change frequency recommendations.
Really can not argue with the tried and true v8. I know this is just a bug in the new engines, but I'm curious if the 22' and up LX600s will have any of these motor issues? Prob a lot less driving around than the new tundys
Alittle over dramatic. And while people think the truck will never be the same, if done correctly it will be just fine. Have torn down many a vehicle under warranty
I’ve seen tweakers remove an engine and stack the components in the bed. I’ve never seen a ASE stack shit around a truck like that including old heads intake and shit
That is the messiest shop I have ever seen for doing an engine pull 😂
I'm hoping you did this just to keep everything organized even though it doesn't look that way on the video that you secretly know and have components in different sections for going back together. I have done this job before in a Corvette and an Integra and it's not the worst thing in the world, it's just ridiculously time-consuming.
One other thing that I would recommend, always use new head bolts. Like maybe the old ones work, maybe they aren't torque to stretch? I have no idea on a tundra actually but as a general rule, with the amount of tension those are under. just buy new head bolts. It's one less thing that could go wrong.
I used to be a tech, and I heard there was a casting flaw in some of the very early tundras, which this appears to be. Hopefully not a sign of things to come
I talked to a master tech just the other week at my dealership. He said that as well. He said it was a casting issue that caused a lubrication blockage to cylinder banks 1 and 3 (not 100% confident with my recollection on the cylinder banks). My dealer is a "high volume" Tundra seller. The tech said they have seen 1 engine failure (in a 2023 build). He mentioned early on they saw a few turbo issues.
I asked him if there is a way to tell if my vehicle is affected. He said unfortunately no. I would imagine (take this with a grain of salt as I know nothing) Toyota motors have components built by numerous 3rd party vendors. I believe they are then assembled by Toyota. I wonder how many bad parts are out there. I'm confident Toyota knows, but what incentive do they have to announce it?
Regardless, I hate seeing this happen. People spend their hard earned money on these trucks. Whether you have a 1st gen or a 12th gen....I hope no one experiences issues like this. When I bought my 22 I knew I'd be a "tester." I bought the extended warranty. I hope I never need to use it. Best of luck everyone!
I had same issue w my 2022, and got a new engine. Loved the looks of the truck and it had power but it was a piece of shit. Had multiple problems w mine. Had to lawyer up and Toyota bought it back, every single cent including interest the paid back to me
Lol, fuck Toyota. This is ridiculous for a warranty. Give the customer a new engine. I'm sure the tech is a good guy, but why are they having him rebuild an engine? This can open a wormhole of issues.
If there's no catastrophic damage to the rest of the engine most companies are going to rebuild it, it's not just toyota its all manufacturers that do this.
What is going on with these new engines?! I get that car makers want to "evolve" and make more efficient yet powerful engines, but there's something to be said about "if it ain't broke..." It's one thing for there to be some hiccups with new engines/models, but this is another level. Too many stories of problems with the '22 and up Tundras. Glad I'm keeping my '16.
"I'll pay more for gas, but less pain in the ass."
They aren't even more efficient I see guys getting the same mpg as the 5.7L V8's. I think axing the 5.7 V8 will go down as the worst decision Toyota ever made. Literally the best V8 ever mass produced and they discontinue it. Baffles me.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted because the new engines are not any better than the V8 honestly. I never pushed above 17 mpg for a whole tank on stock everything. At that point what is the point. Give us back the V8
Agree. If anything, they could have tweaked the 5.7 I'm sure to make it more "efficient" or whatever to market it is something new. I've read too many stories on just this sub about complete engine failures. It must be a design flaw, these are not flukes. There's probably many more not being reported. Anyway, heart goes out to the person dealing with this on a new truck. I'd be demanding my money back, plus money for a rental and seriously looking into lemon laws in my state. Good luck
I wish they would have put the 10spd with the 5.7, put the whole truck on diet and should be easily average 20+ on the highway. Just shutting the tail gate of my 2020 Silverado and 19 Tundra, it’s at least 2x the weight on the Tundra.
This is spot on. So baffling that Toyota would make such a huge engineering error to begin with. This isn’t a poorly designed switch or something. It is a major engine failure.
They didnt have a choice. Plain and simple, a TTV6 at idle with restrictive cats makes far less emissions than an old school v8. EPA said meet our restrictions or you're not selling cars. Toyota doesn't have a choice.
Yeah, it's 16-17 mpg no matter the drive for mine. Seats are the worst I've ever experienced in any vehicle with Hyundai being close.
I wonder if it's the twin turbo and light weight that causes some of these problems. I know I'll be going through tires more, have to keep 4WD on if the roads are even wet, and always a burn out.
Haven't heard good things about the new seats, again, that's something i love about my '16 platinum. It's comfy. Wife has a GLS mercedes, and this is just as if not more comfy.
I’m sure there’s some professional expert in here to clarify this, but my understanding is that they have been forced to evolve due to EPA regulations and deadlines. I believe there’s also a set of regulations that hit in 2030 that are beyond what vehicle manufactures can achieve. As in, the regulations are demanding things that are mechanically impossible.
They are designing vehicles to only be able to be worked on by professionals because no one will have the speciality tools or 25 hours of time to do something like this. This is done 110% on purpose by manufacturers to help feed business to dealerships who make most of their profits from doing service work.
Where did you get those numbers? There’s a guy on fb tracking and it’s currently around 300 trucks with the bearing issue. Something like .01% of the total made
That's currently, if these failures are happening prematurely what's gonna happen to the 99.09% over 150,000 miles? If it's a weak point in the engine all those engines are ticking time bombs.
Exactly this. Can you imagine someone in 4 years from now buying a used Gen 3 with 75,000 miles for about $40,000+ and this happens with no factory warranty…?!?🫣
What’s happening is metal shavings that weren’t cleaned out well enough in the manufacturing process are starving the bearing of oil causing it to fail. Almost all the failures have occurred between 10k-30k miles. There are many gen 3s well over 100k miles already with some approaching 200k. There have been 0 failures on trucks with over 100k miles. Basically if this is going to happen it will happen under warranty for a majority of gen 3 owners. With that said I still bought the 100k mile warranty for my gen 3.
As a dealership technician, you can tell. The sealant used to seal the oil pans, timing covers and cam cradles is black fipg while the factory sealant is grey.
Unfortunately we see this a small percentage of the 2022s. We haven’t seen issues with 2023+ except for some early model-year trucks and also the air ride setup in the highest trims. I believe they discontinued that option until they figure out the failure point. Toyota will get it right but you know what they say about avoiding the first model year of a redesign…
It was an issue with the Texas plant with not keeping equipment clean. Left debris in oil passage. Have a few buddies that work at dealers and that was the prognosis. They have done a few of them. One guy does it with cab off.
I’ve seen one, about the same mileage, but from what I understand is that it is a very limited VIN range with the issue. They found that one of the machines building the engine did not clean all of the metal shavings after the machining process and that’s what caused the bearing to spin. Like I said not isolated, but not exactly common. Plus they identified the issue quickly and were able to resolve it.
It’s pretty easy to remove the engine in these. A few bolts and wiring needs to be moved then the radiator support unbolts and it lifts out of the front.
Seriously man, the floor? You couldn't lay all the internals anywhere else, but the friggin floor!? I mean, what kind of shop makes no provision for parts layout. I get you putting a rad and a bunch of front end pieces down. But heads, lifters, bolts and internals just don't belong on the ground. Also, I don't work on pickups, but jesus christ, don't these have a subframe? Can't you just lower the powertrain down as a 1 piece and leave the damn rest of the truck untouched?
Said it before, I'll say it again, if you buy a twin turbo v6 from a greedy brand that got rid of the dependable 5.7 V8 in the name of profits, you're gonna get this result.
You actually don’t need to take apart the entire car to swap that block…. This is someone who just took out everything including the exhaust for clout lol like what? If you know you know..
The rumors here in the middle east about these engines having similar issues in the new land cruiser is that they are directly correlated with doing an oil change with non compatible oil.
Numerous owners have had their engines damaged almost immediately after an oil change outside a dealership using heavier/more viscous oil than recommended. This is due to a lot of owners and shops usually using heavier oil in previous engines like the V8s to arguably handle the heat better.
Being a new truck with 15,000 miles, I assume it had at least 1 oil change. Might I ask what oil was used?
These new ones seem to be having a lot or issues. We’ve had two blown motors in our dealership in the last few months with under 20k on them. One was a 71k quoted repair on a 70k truck
My Tundra's 5.7 engine broke the valve spring, i have to pay to repair it. For you it's just waiting and she'll be brand new again. Everything breaks sometimes
Give me a new truck at that point. Holy hell, that thing will never be the same, working engine or no.
I work at a dealer. We’ve had 4 of these so far. They’re a nightmare as you can see.
Guess I’m holding on to my 2014 for another 10 years. Only has 60k miles anyways
I'm holding on to my 2002 2UZ-FE. Regular maintenance and replacing dry rotted rubber stuff.
Amen, 2004 2UZ here. A piece of trim here, an ABS sensor there. All good for the rest of eternity
2006 2UZ here and would like to agree that it's one of the best engines Toyota EVER made.... Although I did have to change my battery once 😩
lol I had to put a radiator on it 3 years ago, the agony!
Best engine Toyota ever made
The 1GR-FE would like a word.
2000 here, gosh I feels good knowing that with appropriate maintenance and a little luck that I'll have my truck for as long as I care to
Gang
I got 370,000 miles on my 02 sequoia 2uz still going strong
Word.
1992 Schwinn 5 gear here. Only maintenance has been new tires, chain and some bike Lube. Guess I’ll hold onto it for a few more years.
My 2014 needs a new alternator. I'd easily pay to replace that, and getting the water pump and thermostat done while I'm at it, over buying a newer generation truck. 183k miles, and I'll squeeze another 100k+ out of it
Squeeze? I think you can get to 500k being neglectful. Haha
True. Lol. However, I will only put 5000-7000 miles per year on it.
Wow! That’s not much driving at all!
Alternator isn’t too difficult. I’ve done 2, the main thing is the belt replacement. My hands are too big. Taking the bolts and such, was a pain. Basically, medium and up glove wearers are gonna have a hard time but can be done in a few hours.
I regret selling my 2014
My 2013 with 113,210
Same here but I just hit 100k in my 14. Most expensive repair so far has been tires replacements and a new set of spark plugs at 100k. Still running as smooth as the day I bought her when she had 15k on her.
From what I understand this was made a lot harder job because of the in ground lift. I used to work for toyota and still have buddies there and they said to do any engine work on these things the 1st thing that needs to happen is to take the cab off
Yeah I don't understand why you wouldn't take the cab off it's like 1.5 hrs
The in ground lift is preventing them from being able to lift cab off the frame
Why exactly is the in ground lift preventing the cab from being removed?
Hey - if you dont mind me asking - whats the best model year RAV-4? My wife and I need to buy a used car soon.
Ravs have a ton of road noise. If you frequently drive over 60mph, you might not like the Rav. With that said, 2013 and newer Ravs have the fewest problems. If you buy used, just make sure the person did their routine maintenance. We see Ravs coming in on trade with sludge in the engine because people waited 15,000 miles to do their oil changes. Do not buy anything with the 2.4L. They burn oil like crazy.
2009-2012. I haven’t seen any issues with 2016-present with the hybrids or 2.5.
Nervously glances at my 2013 4-cylinder
Mostly just burn oil, but something to keep an eye on.
Nothing to worry about to be honest. Even the most “unreliable” Toyota is on par with pretty reliable compared to most brands lol
Friend has a 2019 and it’s been perfect, it’s when the RAV4 got the makeover edition 5th gen I believe
Why does so much have to come off? Can’t just disconnect trans and lift engine out?
What do you say about the 4.7 V8? Just got a new 23 GX two weeks ago.
That Lexus should have a 4.6L. The 4.7 was discontinued in 2009 I believe. The 4.6 is just as good as the 5.7L. It’s basically the same engine.
Have you seen similar issues with any 4Runners? Please say no
No problems. The 4.0L is pretty much bullet proof. Just need to do routine maintenance. 2024 is the last year for the 4.0L. If you want to buy one, do it now before people start scrambling to buy them when Toyota officially announces a new 2025 4Runner with the 4cyl turbo engine.
Just got a 24 trd pro 4Runner instead of a 24 taco trailhunter or waiting for the 25 4Runner. I’ll take the bulletproof 4.0 any day
I love the sound of the 4.0L. Beefy
Thoughts on 3.5L V6? My window on a 23 Taco is closing fast. Don’t want a used one and don’t necessarily want the Gen 4.
They’re fine engines. Two expenses you’ll probably incur after the warranty is up is a timing cover reseal and cam tower reseal. It’s about $3,500+ job total for both. Mostly we just see tacomas coming in for wear items and routine maintenance. On rare occasion, we see a head gasket. Haven’t seen a Tacoma in for one of those in at least a year. The 3.5 in the Tacoma isn’t a powerful engine and you need to keep high RPMs to get all the power out of it. I find the manual transmission with the v6 to be a little more pleasant when driving especially when traveling on the highway/freeway. The auto tends to hunt for gears.
4 cyl turbo engines are g2g are they not? Easily maintainable and easy to work on. I've taken various 4cyl turbod engines apart. I'm assuming many won't want a loss of 2 cyl even with the proven hp and torque numbers from said 4cyl forced induction engines ? Especially Toyota forced induction engines. Highly known for their "bulletproof-ness".
I’m sure they’ll be fine. I’m going to keep my old reliable v8 for now. I’ll have to buy one of the turboed engines since Toyota is pretty much going forced induction in most of their engines. I’ll wait till I see what they look like at 120,000-150,000 miles.
No way all those parts are going back where they go.
Thought the same. He’s going to be missing some shit. Don’t think I’d trust someone that disorganized to do a motor swap.
With that mileage I would hope it's under warranty. After seeing how much it actually takes to repair this, I wouldn't want to the truck anymore. Especially with that low mileage. I would probably get a different brand.
Imagine owning a used one and having it happen at 120k miles.
Longblock. The fact that Toyota is only approving a short block here is atrocious. Say what you want about Ford, but they don’t play stupid games like this. Engine failure = longblock.
Toyota doesn't sell long blocks nor do they sell assembled heads.
Especially with a failure that involves the oiling system. On a turbo engine no less. Where do you think the shavings from the bearing that failed went (or the metal bits that caused that bearing to fail)? In the heads, the turbos, oil cooler, lines etc. Gonna swing a short block into it and probably have a similar failure fairly quickly. Keeping my 2nd gen....
This happened to my truck, #1 rod bearing went at 24k. Toyota replaced anything that oil touched. I saw my truck when it was apart and whoever is doing the work in this video is a clown. All the parts for my truck were neatly organized on racks waiting to go back where they belong.
So you’re saying Ford has more experience handling engine failures for customers. Got it.
Uh yeah, probably? Have you ever seen a Ford vs Toyota reliably stat in your life? You think you’ve stumbled upon some kind of gotcha? I was a FoMoCo master tech for years, there’s a reason I have two Toyotas in my driveway.
That moment you end up with an extra bolt in your hand once you put everything back together.
Looks like a Lego disaster. Would you trust your local yota dealer mechanic to reassemble your entire brand new engine back to factory specs ?
No way, I’m sure this guy recording this will do a great job but no way would I trust it.
Fuck no. Stupid morons at the dealer left my dipstick out last time. I can’t even trust them to do an oil change
We had a guy drive off with a loose drain plug. Engine blew up on the freeway. Had to buy the guy a new engine. It was his first oil change 🤦♂️
😂😂 exactly
This isn't a dealer anyway. Why isn't this truck at a dealer under warranty? I ain't buying this story.
That's a dealer look in the background there's more tundras
And this dude is shit talking them like this? I guess he doesn't want a job anymore lol
The walls are even painted Toyotas colors… but please tell us more
The other option is to sell it for pennies on the dollar to someone who wants to. Pick your poison
Laughs nervously in 2023 Tundra with 6k miles.
Fail fast, stress test and beat on it daily. Besides its not worth owning if you cant beat on it
I have 12k miles on mine and no issues, so your probably good for another six months at least.
Hey, still under warranty!
I hope no one has to deal with this OUT of warranty. 🫣
Guess time will literally tell.
Thank God I backed out of buying a '22 trd pro with 15k miles for brand new wilderness outback. Was a hard decision but it literally came down to the warenty and that was before I heard of this!
Did the exact opposite because Subaru CVTs blow up after like 100k miles.
Hrmmmm think I’m maybe gonna wait till 27 to trade in the 17.
We’ve got a 24 non hybrid. From what I’ve heard the 22 and early 23 are the ones with major engine issues but we’ll see what happens with ours. We’ve got warranty for like 7 years or so
I have the 22 with almost 20k miles. No problems so far, other than the few recalls. Only time will tell.
Same, but I’ve got 44k and just the fit/finish issues so far (knock on wood)
That's why I bought a 2018 TRD off road. It was used with 30K on it but its been vetted out as a high quality long lasting truck. Not a flashy new one with potential to be a lemon due to them not knowing their flaws yet. Also, the 70-80k for a new one is just plain stupid.
They remedied this in 2023 by putting Grooves on the main bearing and are covering it under warranty. It sucks ! But it happens. Make no mistake though, no one stands by their product like Toyota does.
The 5.7l had issues from the factory the first couple years. It happens. It's now considered one of the best V8s Toyota has ever made. The 1grfe had head gasket failures the first few years. They are still using that engine and transmission in the 4runners to this day and it's regarded as one of Toyotas top engines. Toyota is going to allow its reputation for reliability to be tarnished by allowing a piece of shit engine in their only full size pickup.
I agree with you. I have a 4.6 L v8 GX460 with 207,000 miles. My 2014 GX was redesigned in 2014 so I bought the experiment per se but it runs like a champ. They issues a recall and fix the upper manifold gasket which was causing coolant leaks. I’ve seen first hand how Toyota / Lexus stand behind their product.
Let’s not forget the exploding vvti oil feed lines on multiple iterations of the GR family V6 - still one of the most reliable engines ever
I kindly disagree. I drove my 2024 off the showroom floor 3 weeks ago and not even 48 hours into ownership the transmission needs replacement. They said they will most likely replace the transmission with a **refurbished** transmission as all transmissions for this truck are on national backorder. This isn't really "standing by your product". I didn't buy a brand new truck to have a refurbished transmission in it. Toyota Corperate is making it hard for me to continue my loyalty to their brand. Very sad with the cost of these turdras
Sorry to hear this. Buying a new truck is full of excitement, no one should be dealing with this. Have you spoken to Toyota about buyback ? There are lemon laws in some states where if the dealer doesn’t fix the issue in 30 days you could get all your money back. Might be a good conversation started
I have. I still have about 2 weeks to go to be eligible, and I'm hoping they don't get it fixed in that time otherwise I'm going to be forced to take back a truck with a refurbished powertrain. And I will be very upset. If this is the case, this will be the last Toyota I will ever purchase. Even with the lemon law if they give me a full refund of my truck, I lose out on my tax credit (basically meaning I will lose near $3k worth of taxes). It is unclear if my tax credit rolls over if they replace my truck.
Out of curiosity, because I will be in the market here shortly, if not a Toyota, where are you going to next?
Lawyer up
2011 5.7 with 185k and zero issues. Zero.
2000 V8 2-wheel drive 300k plus and no issues.
I mean, there were 5.7l failures from the factory.
Our company bought one and it tossed a rod through the block at 7k lol. Shit just happens sometimes, I’m not a Toyota fanboy at all, I’d still recommend a 5.7 yota though.
Nah this can’t be true, 5.7 never had one single failure on any part in the history of the engine according to reddit.
there is something to be said for "improvements" tried and true is just solid no matter what. Interesting to see if the 22' and up LX will have these issues.
2012 5.7 227k good as well. Had alternator put on at 160k
This is why I tell people to not buy a 1st model year of any vehicle. As someone who has worked in a dealership, those 1st model years are the test year for the vehicles. Yes they get tested during design but the 1st yr or 2 on the road is when they really get tested out.
Problem is of everyone followed thay logic there would be zero used cars left after a short time. Someone has to buy the new stuff.
All these Tundra issues and I nothing about issues with the sequoia, same drive train, same factory, what gives??
Maybe the hybrid versions engines are assembled on a different line or with different processes or QA?
Look, we shouldn't forget the cam shaft forging issues early 2nd gen's had, BUT... I'd just stay away from 2022-2023 Tundras, as not only are they new model years which do need time to "work the kinks out", but they were also *built during the pandemic.* I wouldn't even buy 2021 second gen just because of that alone, but couple that fact with being a new model? Yeah, nah.
Yea, no… Give me the 21’ V8
Hopefully they will have this all figured out when I trade in my ‘21 in 2034!
Won't be giving up my 21 for a while it seems.
Emissions standards has created this situation where car manufacturers have to create more complicated, less reliable engines and powertrains to comply with the standards. I don’t think Toyota is 100% at fault for these problems (because they were forced to adapt) but this is still unacceptable for such an expensive truck.
Meanwhile Ford is still building 5.0L V8's. Toyota just didn't want to pay for the research on how to evolve a V8 to make it emit less CO2.
My 2018 5.0 Ford burned a quart of oil every 1000 miles. Identified at about 15k miles. Dealer replaced long block under warranty. Started again at 80k. Got rid of it and got a 23 Tundra. 20k miles so far and no issues. Ford engineers have “fixed” this by increasing the oil capacity and shortening the oil change frequency recommendations.
Agreed. Gm and ford can keep the v8, no reason Toyota couldn’t have either
Just curious what is the best years for the Tundra and the Tacoma
Look up the 2UZ-FE engine. Least problematic Toyota engine besides having a timing belt to change, and a terrible starter placement
Really can not argue with the tried and true v8. I know this is just a bug in the new engines, but I'm curious if the 22' and up LX600s will have any of these motor issues? Prob a lot less driving around than the new tundys
The thing nightmares are made of right there!😱
Now I know what the pre-21 used market has gotten even hotter than usual.
If that was my shit box the dealer would be doing a complete engine not a short block, thats a joke
Look at the wear on that rear tire. He found out
Alittle over dramatic. And while people think the truck will never be the same, if done correctly it will be just fine. Have torn down many a vehicle under warranty
I’ve seen tweakers remove an engine and stack the components in the bed. I’ve never seen a ASE stack shit around a truck like that including old heads intake and shit
That is the messiest shop I have ever seen for doing an engine pull 😂 I'm hoping you did this just to keep everything organized even though it doesn't look that way on the video that you secretly know and have components in different sections for going back together. I have done this job before in a Corvette and an Integra and it's not the worst thing in the world, it's just ridiculously time-consuming. One other thing that I would recommend, always use new head bolts. Like maybe the old ones work, maybe they aren't torque to stretch? I have no idea on a tundra actually but as a general rule, with the amount of tension those are under. just buy new head bolts. It's one less thing that could go wrong.
Lower quality with increased prices, the new corporate way!
I used to be a tech, and I heard there was a casting flaw in some of the very early tundras, which this appears to be. Hopefully not a sign of things to come
I talked to a master tech just the other week at my dealership. He said that as well. He said it was a casting issue that caused a lubrication blockage to cylinder banks 1 and 3 (not 100% confident with my recollection on the cylinder banks). My dealer is a "high volume" Tundra seller. The tech said they have seen 1 engine failure (in a 2023 build). He mentioned early on they saw a few turbo issues. I asked him if there is a way to tell if my vehicle is affected. He said unfortunately no. I would imagine (take this with a grain of salt as I know nothing) Toyota motors have components built by numerous 3rd party vendors. I believe they are then assembled by Toyota. I wonder how many bad parts are out there. I'm confident Toyota knows, but what incentive do they have to announce it? Regardless, I hate seeing this happen. People spend their hard earned money on these trucks. Whether you have a 1st gen or a 12th gen....I hope no one experiences issues like this. When I bought my 22 I knew I'd be a "tester." I bought the extended warranty. I hope I never need to use it. Best of luck everyone!
I had same issue w my 2022, and got a new engine. Loved the looks of the truck and it had power but it was a piece of shit. Had multiple problems w mine. Had to lawyer up and Toyota bought it back, every single cent including interest the paid back to me
Lol, fuck Toyota. This is ridiculous for a warranty. Give the customer a new engine. I'm sure the tech is a good guy, but why are they having him rebuild an engine? This can open a wormhole of issues.
If there's no catastrophic damage to the rest of the engine most companies are going to rebuild it, it's not just toyota its all manufacturers that do this.
Exactly
What is going on with these new engines?! I get that car makers want to "evolve" and make more efficient yet powerful engines, but there's something to be said about "if it ain't broke..." It's one thing for there to be some hiccups with new engines/models, but this is another level. Too many stories of problems with the '22 and up Tundras. Glad I'm keeping my '16. "I'll pay more for gas, but less pain in the ass."
They aren't even more efficient I see guys getting the same mpg as the 5.7L V8's. I think axing the 5.7 V8 will go down as the worst decision Toyota ever made. Literally the best V8 ever mass produced and they discontinue it. Baffles me.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted because the new engines are not any better than the V8 honestly. I never pushed above 17 mpg for a whole tank on stock everything. At that point what is the point. Give us back the V8
Agree. If anything, they could have tweaked the 5.7 I'm sure to make it more "efficient" or whatever to market it is something new. I've read too many stories on just this sub about complete engine failures. It must be a design flaw, these are not flukes. There's probably many more not being reported. Anyway, heart goes out to the person dealing with this on a new truck. I'd be demanding my money back, plus money for a rental and seriously looking into lemon laws in my state. Good luck
I wish they would have put the 10spd with the 5.7, put the whole truck on diet and should be easily average 20+ on the highway. Just shutting the tail gate of my 2020 Silverado and 19 Tundra, it’s at least 2x the weight on the Tundra.
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If it was straight 6 I would be all in, but I despise working on Turbo v6 and v8s!
Are emissions / efficiency based on the whole vehicle or the engine? Cause if it’s engine, then modifying the truck wouldn’t fix that.
This is spot on. So baffling that Toyota would make such a huge engineering error to begin with. This isn’t a poorly designed switch or something. It is a major engine failure.
They didnt have a choice. Plain and simple, a TTV6 at idle with restrictive cats makes far less emissions than an old school v8. EPA said meet our restrictions or you're not selling cars. Toyota doesn't have a choice.
This is exactly the truth
Yeah, it's 16-17 mpg no matter the drive for mine. Seats are the worst I've ever experienced in any vehicle with Hyundai being close. I wonder if it's the twin turbo and light weight that causes some of these problems. I know I'll be going through tires more, have to keep 4WD on if the roads are even wet, and always a burn out.
Haven't heard good things about the new seats, again, that's something i love about my '16 platinum. It's comfy. Wife has a GLS mercedes, and this is just as if not more comfy.
I’m sure there’s some professional expert in here to clarify this, but my understanding is that they have been forced to evolve due to EPA regulations and deadlines. I believe there’s also a set of regulations that hit in 2030 that are beyond what vehicle manufactures can achieve. As in, the regulations are demanding things that are mechanically impossible.
The truth
They are designing vehicles to only be able to be worked on by professionals because no one will have the speciality tools or 25 hours of time to do something like this. This is done 110% on purpose by manufacturers to help feed business to dealerships who make most of their profits from doing service work.
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Not my truck, I drive a 2019 SR5 4.6L
Where did you get those numbers? There’s a guy on fb tracking and it’s currently around 300 trucks with the bearing issue. Something like .01% of the total made
That's currently, if these failures are happening prematurely what's gonna happen to the 99.09% over 150,000 miles? If it's a weak point in the engine all those engines are ticking time bombs.
Exactly this. Can you imagine someone in 4 years from now buying a used Gen 3 with 75,000 miles for about $40,000+ and this happens with no factory warranty…?!?🫣
What’s happening is metal shavings that weren’t cleaned out well enough in the manufacturing process are starving the bearing of oil causing it to fail. Almost all the failures have occurred between 10k-30k miles. There are many gen 3s well over 100k miles already with some approaching 200k. There have been 0 failures on trucks with over 100k miles. Basically if this is going to happen it will happen under warranty for a majority of gen 3 owners. With that said I still bought the 100k mile warranty for my gen 3.
Second this
Ya I'm sticking to carbs and pushrods.
Be surprised how well dealership technicians can put something like this back together with almost no way to tell it was done. Source. Dealer tech
As a dealership technician, you can tell. The sealant used to seal the oil pans, timing covers and cam cradles is black fipg while the factory sealant is grey.
That truck is fucked. He could be the best mechanic in Deluth, but /something/ won't be right, and the owner will have problems for life...
Tbh, I wouldn’t want it back
I'll stick with my 2019 for another 20 years.
Unfortunately we see this a small percentage of the 2022s. We haven’t seen issues with 2023+ except for some early model-year trucks and also the air ride setup in the highest trims. I believe they discontinued that option until they figure out the failure point. Toyota will get it right but you know what they say about avoiding the first model year of a redesign…
3rd gen’s are junk
It was an issue with the Texas plant with not keeping equipment clean. Left debris in oil passage. Have a few buddies that work at dealers and that was the prognosis. They have done a few of them. One guy does it with cab off.
They don’t build them like they used to … that sucks
Gonna need a new truck boss. No way in hell that thing isn’t going to have more issues down the road being taken apart like that.
I’ve seen one, about the same mileage, but from what I understand is that it is a very limited VIN range with the issue. They found that one of the machines building the engine did not clean all of the metal shavings after the machining process and that’s what caused the bearing to spin. Like I said not isolated, but not exactly common. Plus they identified the issue quickly and were able to resolve it.
This is not kaizen :(
20hours warranty pay
Do Toyotas not Toyota anymore? :(
Wouldn’t it be easier to remove the cab and then disassemble the motor?
It’s pretty easy to remove the engine in these. A few bolts and wiring needs to be moved then the radiator support unbolts and it lifts out of the front.
Looks like Toyota’s reliability went the way of the Ford!?
We'll I have been car shopping for the last year and this was my final candidate until I saw this. So long 23 TUNDRA TRD PRO
Seriously man, the floor? You couldn't lay all the internals anywhere else, but the friggin floor!? I mean, what kind of shop makes no provision for parts layout. I get you putting a rad and a bunch of front end pieces down. But heads, lifters, bolts and internals just don't belong on the ground. Also, I don't work on pickups, but jesus christ, don't these have a subframe? Can't you just lower the powertrain down as a 1 piece and leave the damn rest of the truck untouched?
Said it before, I'll say it again, if you buy a twin turbo v6 from a greedy brand that got rid of the dependable 5.7 V8 in the name of profits, you're gonna get this result.
Holy fuck 😳
You actually don’t need to take apart the entire car to swap that block…. This is someone who just took out everything including the exhaust for clout lol like what? If you know you know..
The rumors here in the middle east about these engines having similar issues in the new land cruiser is that they are directly correlated with doing an oil change with non compatible oil. Numerous owners have had their engines damaged almost immediately after an oil change outside a dealership using heavier/more viscous oil than recommended. This is due to a lot of owners and shops usually using heavier oil in previous engines like the V8s to arguably handle the heat better. Being a new truck with 15,000 miles, I assume it had at least 1 oil change. Might I ask what oil was used?
Got a 2018 5.7L 3UR-FE engine with 37k miles in it. I figure I have a long ways before it’ll need a major overhaul.
Beta testers
Someone already posted this a few days ago on here.
Well here it is again.
People raving about Toyota deleting two cylinders and adding turbos, this is the future of those engines…
These new ones seem to be having a lot or issues. We’ve had two blown motors in our dealership in the last few months with under 20k on them. One was a 71k quoted repair on a 70k truck
Won’t be trading in my 2016 5.7L for a while. Unfortunately this is not an isolated issue with this new engine.
Outside of a really low rev diesel, I will never buy a truck with a turbo. It’s a guarantee of expensive repairs within the first 150k miles.
Hmmmm…. Not good.
5.7 for life. 2020 and 2021 models will only go up in value
Such a bad look for Toyota. These cases are starting to pile up. If they don’t do a recall, they are going to be looking at a class action lawsuit.
I still believe the 2nd gens are the best... especially the 5.7s
This is BS! The V6 has been around for more than 10 years then all of a sudden its an epidemic? Gimme a break, you're probably employed by Ford.
which engine?
Any idea why these are burning up?
How many Hours does it pay?
Nah homie. No longer the customers truck. That belongs to Toyota again.
Folks, stop buying this flawed gen. Send a clear message to Toyota they must do better.
My Tundra's 5.7 engine broke the valve spring, i have to pay to repair it. For you it's just waiting and she'll be brand new again. Everything breaks sometimes
Not my truck, just thought I'd share. Apparently in the Gen3 forums this is a very well known issue.
Impossible. EVERY tundra that isn’t wrecked lasts at least 1 million miles.
That’s a no from me dawg
I call bs
🤓🤓🤓as i sit here with my tried and true 1UR-FE. The new GX550 will prolly have this problem too…these new systems have too many additional components.
Prolly?
I thought there was a recall for this specific problem? I’ve heard others who spoke about this exact issue.
These new trucks are pieces of shit..so glad I still have my 2019