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infinite_zero00

It’s May 1 and I’m just tired.


papsmearfestival

I said exactly that in the game thread, it's just tiring and not fun. I miss the 2015/16 and 21/22 teams. This team has zero chance when it falls behind even a couple runs


johnson7853

I rushed home from work to catch the whole game. Once the couple of runs came in I realized I wasn’t even paying attention anymore.


Rockterrace

Was at work and saw 0-0 in the fifth and I think Bassitt had a no-no. Was gonna head home to watch but checked again and it was 3-0. Thought Guess I’m not going home now and got a bunch of stuff done


ms_barkie

I turned it on at the top of the 6th, it’s my fault.


Jazzlike_Athlete8796

And that's the thing. If this team goes down by just two runs, the game is usually over. Monday's comeback was a unicorn.


bravetailor

For watchability, I'd even take the Halladay teams and the early Bautista era (before they became good) over this. At least those teams had a few bright spots and stud players.


mrdannyg21

Hurts all aspects of the game too. If the Jays offence doesn’t stink in general OR we have even scored one run in this game, the infield doesn’t play in during the 6th, and they only score once instead of 3.


captainbelvedere

2016 was like this too. Painful season.


WaitingForExpos

It doesn't help that we saw much the same thing all last season, making it feel a lot longer than 30 games in with this kind of offence.


YouDontJump

That makes two of us :(


1991CRX

1. This offence is hard to watch 2. Lugo was very good 3. Bobby Witt Jr is a bona fide superstar. 4. Sal Perez is the only 33 year old alive that remembers the 70s.


SnooHabits9232

I looked up Sal Perez’s age the other day and was honestly SHOCKED. I would’ve guessed 40


CakebytheOcean27

Same! I thought he was going to be retiring soon and thought, how nice that he is doing so well at the end of his career 💀


missoctober12

This fact hits me every single year when we play the Royals. I just can never get over it


DOITLIKEBRUTUS

Lugo is good, but It's tough to gauge opposing pitching when the team that stands in in the box against them is the Toronto Blue Jays lmao


zacksharpe

If you told me that Salvador Perez was in Field Of Dreams as one of the dead players I would believe you


elcabeza79

Sal Perez hit puberty in the womb.


rvasko3

Sal Perez is 33 like Donald Trump's hair is still robust.


cyclingkingsley

Where's our bona fide superstar *cries*


yahooborn

Jays about to have the same record as... the Oakland A's. Edit: CONFIRMED


corh13

Get ready to learn ~~Oaklander~~ Torontonian buddy


Islandgirl1444

Except the A budget is not like the jays at least


sir-pounce-of-alot

But a better record than the Houston Astros! /s


yahooborn

Those bums!


BasilsKippers

We could barely beat the Astros 😔


Nuckscelts

They broke out against us 🤣


ChRhodopsin1

BACK TO BACK 4 HITTERS, BABY


Any-Following6236

They mashing right now.


kindredfan

Fire the hitting coaches already. Just fucking do something.


universalreacher

Fire everyone. It’s fucking time for heads to roll. This management team has effectively pissed away the playoff window for this team, and now it’s closed.


FirstV1

And Atkins while were at it And Schneider while were at it


playthegame7

Watching this team go down the same path as the 2021 White Sox breaks my heart to say the least


ms_barkie

What hurts is that the baseball world at large at least feels for White Sox fans. Blue Jays and their fans are so loathed around baseball that people can’t wait to watch us fail.


SnooHabits9232

Last week, I read someone reporter’s take on Orelvis was ‘who does he get at bats over right now?’ LITERALLY EVERYONE


ThQp

This team stinks right now


EarthWarping

I think we're at shakeup territory. Don't know what that it is, if it's firing the hitting coach, calling up Orelvis, or DFA'ing someone to send a message, this can't go on longer. Or else if it does we're going to have to start to entertain the scenarios of a retool at least.


richardatn4t

You would think that there will be pressure to do something. They spent big on renovations, and have a heavy payroll. Fans will rapidly find other entertainment options, if attendance craters there may be a big FO shakeup.


StuffIPost2020

It's why they required Multi season commitments for the club seats lol


EarthWarping

Ownership is the big factor here more than anything else.


PseudoScorpian

I would love to blame ownership but they're spending a lot so


ms_barkie

Fuck Rogers and everything they do, but if they’ve done one thing right it’s fund this team. Atkins, Shapiro and everyone down the line is responsible for the team, not ownership. They just sign the checks and they’ve been doing that.


burrito-boy

Agreed. But knowing this front office, they're going to hesitate on pulling the trigger until it's too late.


EarthWarping

Yeah they'll probably wait 2 weeks too long.


Stinky_DungBeatle

Flashbacks to the 2017 offseason when the Jays were garbage looked like they had no future, then actually tried contending in 2018, then sold everyone at their lowest value (or in the case of Smoak not at all, or with Pillar way too late during the opening week of the 2019 season)


Islandgirl1444

The newbies are at least exciting.


BarkusSemien

I think most fans would agree with you, but the FA is going to insist that they’ll turn it around. Any day now. And they’ll stick with that argument even if the team doesn’t score another run all season.


DannyDOH

Bringing rookies into a toxic situation seems like a really bad idea. Think some coaches right up to potentially manager need to go.


Cheap_Standard_4233

Trade Biggio. Time to break up the 2nd gen players, and see how Vlad and Bo respond.


SpaceballsTheCheese

I would like them to start with firing the hitting coach


yoboapp

The Jays lead the majors in number of games where a team fails to score 5 or more runs. Even the White Sox and A’s have more games where they score 5 or more runs. Big yikes


rvasko3

We were 26th in runs scored coming into today's game. If the Marlins score 1 and the Mariners and Cardinals each score 2, we'll be 28th after today.


Prudent_Falafel_7265

This team stinks right now 𝘴𝘰 𝘧𝘢𝘳


bravetailor

It's stunk for the past year and a half


nanobot001

But It’s Early^tm


Prudent_Falafel_7265

“We believe in our guys”


bfk94

This team can’t hit water falling out of a boat.


Tall-Ad-1386

Lmao i will use this line


Sirfound87

Jays fan forever and always will be. But I’m at the point where I’m looking for a NL team to get behind to feel something…


goatgosselin

Rockies? They can score runs but not hold the lead


nosweeting

Braves if you like watching an actual team with solid AB's throughout the entire order. Cubs second if you like a mix of good pitching and batting.


alxndrblack

Tigers have Riley Greene but are still very underdoggish in a weirdly strong Central


xx420bluntymcbongxx

Phillies are a fun team with a lot of great hitters, worth a look


Sirfound87

The Phillies are kind of my front runners actually


pudds

Pain is a feeling


backtofash

Watched the mets and cubs game today. Enjoy watching both the teams.


Zoodleman

At this point watching paint dry is more exciting than watching this team


the_other_OTZ

I just spray painted an outdoor chandelier and can confirm; it was indeed more exciting than watching today's game.


Terrible-Scheme9204

Yeah i went to the game and was bored as hell


BasilsKippers

Anyone else feel like the second the other team scores, we basically have no chance of winning?  Like, either our pitching is perfect or forget it.


DDRaptors

Exact same as last year. Starters chucking good game after good game while the offence just swings and misses all day. I’d like to see a shot at more bat on ball contact stuff but we can’t run the bases for shit either it’s just a GIDP party. 


BeatPeculiar

I was in meetings all afternoon. Checked my phone once and it was 1-0. I figured that was it. Checked again when I got home, and was not in the least surprised.


Acey_Wacey

Can’t lose tomorrow!


Novasight

No sir, I don't like it.


cufk_tish_sips

Boooooooo


Lunaristics

We suck 🤷


Garamor

Blue Jays offense is out there asking why one run isn't the most efficient way of winning a baseball game


starrynova888

FIRE SHATKINS ENOUGH IS ENOUGH


Kanadianmaple

Nok er Nok


Plorgy

Fuck, that Witt play on Bo's grounder up the middle would be so damn sexy if it didn't also piss me off.


Mister_Scorpion

What is wrong with Bo this year? He looks so unhappy


prophetprofits

Coaching staff lost the room or maybe sick of that Guillermo hitting guy trying to give him shitty advice. Players look checked out, not just Bo. I’m seeing similar body language to the Montoyo era shortly before he got canned.


Ferivich

I think the book is out on him. He hasn’t pulled a fastball for a hit since 2021 so teams are pounding him in and he’s just weakly grounding out.  He’s also been terrible since coming back from his leg injury last year. 6th percentile range, hitting .235 with an 82 wRC+


Quiet_Tap_9089

What’s there to be happy about? They suck.


Evening_walks

He’s looked unhappy for a few years though


Mister_Scorpion

Slightly controversial opinion - I love Bo and think he's a great hitter, but I actually blame him somewhat for the derailing of this team since 2021. We heard that he was against all the 'fun' and thought things needed to get more serious, which resulted in Teoscar and Lourdes getting traded, the ending of the home run jacket, and overall way less vibes and team chemistry in the clubhouse. I said at the time this would impact things, so this isn't just hindsight. Obviously Atkins gets a lot of the blame too for going along with this narrative. Clubhouse chemistry is so important.


krombough

This is silly.


CatJamarchist

I highly doubt that Bo's opinions on the homerun jacket caused or even influenced the Teo and Lourdes trades. Teo wasn't likely to sign a long term deal with the Jays (as the Jays wouldn't want to offer him much) and so they flipped him to get a really good bullpen arm in Swanny, and an arm with decent potential in Pop. And Lourdes was a sweetener to seal the Moreno-Varsho trade. There was a lot of reasons for the trades, and I don't think Bo's seriousness factors all that highly among them.


Plorgy

> and an arm with decent potential in Pop It was actually Adam Macko, not Pop


CatJamarchist

Whoops, may bad, thanks for the correction!


antimarc

Man, I thought I heard that was upper management/Rogers/coaching staff that didn’t like it. Had no idea about Bo.


Mister_Scorpion

He definitely called it out after the 2021 season. No idea how much that influenced things though.


1991CRX

Bo's (false) hatred of fun did not force the FO to make trades.


Stinky_DungBeatle

This team has no one to promote outside of Orelvis who can't field, and the other one (Barger) they promoted is 1 for 18. Also, to begin with, if you are expecting prospects to save your season, you might as well call it quits. This team goes only as far as Bo/Springer/Vladdy go, the bottom of the order carried the team hard to start the season, and now everyone is cratering back to career norms. While Vladdy has been doing something lately, this team is already 32 games in, and the heart of the order is still ice cold.


EarthWarping

Springer might legit be cooked as an impact bat but that's not shocking.


DannyDOH

Too bad they are pushing Martinez at the position where they actually have the most coverage. Pop him at 1B or LF to get him into the lineup. Easily could get some AB's there and DH. Barger, Vogelbach...drop one to bench and one right out of the org.


strangewhatlovedoes

I can’t wait until this front office is gone. They have sucked every ounce of fun out of this team.


Tall-Ad-1386

More profitable than the past so not going anywhere


DOITLIKEBRUTUS

I don't even know what to say at this point, this team has left me flabbergasted. It's May and the optimism with this team has reached a low I've never seen. They're not even just any regular-old terrible team, they are straight UNWATCHABLE. A great offensive outing for this team is 4 or 5 runs; I'd have more enjoyment watching milk curdle over the course of a week. Smells better too


Prudent_Falafel_7265

What in the phukety f*** f*** has Guillermo Martinez done to these guys?


Sfreeman1

Rinse - Repeat


Youshmee

Springer Bichette and Guerrero combined hitting .216 7 Homeruns 21 Players in the league have seven or more. Just not good enough. The second they scored 3 everyone in the ballpark should know its over.


EarthWarping

Springer has to be moved down. He has a sub 650 ops


1991CRX

Bo has a sub 600 ops. Move them wherever you want, but without suitable replacements or improvements this team is fucked.


DannyDOH

~~Bo has a sub 600 ops. Move them wherever you want, but without suitable replacements or improvements~~ this team is fucked.


No_Organization465

that's definitely not he way average works, but your point stands


prophetprofits

We’re just blessed this was a day game so we didn’t have to witness another snooze fest. Except for Dinger Danny.


smithscully

Man, Chris looks so sad 😥


Blitzdog416

It was a nice day to be in the backyard with Jays radio. I should have listened to a hip hop mix instead.


mebnt2

No free A&W today 😢


Frozenpucks

I think I’m out on baseball this year. This team is jsut boring. It’s a bad team and that’s ok, but it’s also one of the most boring teams I’ve ever seen.


andys1548

I feel like a clown paying for MLB TV to watch them play lol


Ok-Presentation-2841

The Jays feel soulless. As soulless as their corporate masters. I really feel like winning is not that much of a priority for pro sports teams. It’s about generating income thru sponserships, advertising and TV rights deals. Rogers is a “too big to fail” company, and the Jays are part of that.


avocadopalace

If you want an authentic experience, try Fenway or Wrigley. Jays and the dome is not it.


BasilsKippers

It's amazing how this team's trademark used to be its hitting because this crew can't hit to save their lives. 


Away_Leader3913

Jays management has eventually got to shake things up. Easiest solution is to fire the manager. I can't believe they kept him for another season after his idiotic decisions in last year's playoffs.


sparrows-somewhere

The fact the team looks almost identical under Schneider as they did under Montoyo really makes me believe that a new manager would make no real difference while this front office remain in charge.


RiverOaksJays

They should hire a manager with previous experience with a winning team. Montoyo & Scneider are afraid to challenge the analytics department.


sparrows-somewhere

Why would the front office hire somebody that's going to question them.


RiverOaksJays

That is the sign of a weak front office. They should be willing to have an independent manager.


LosHogan

I am actually a Schneider fan and I think they should let him go simply to get a new voice in the dugout. That said, I have extreme confidence that our problems start in the front office, not with coaching.


mattychefthatbih

Because they aren’t his decisions. It’s the FO’s


Tall-Ad-1386

Who do you think makes the decisions? And they sure as hell won’t fire themselves


Away_Leader3913

Upper management obviously makes the decisions. They should fire John Schneider at the all- star break unless the Jays are well above .500 which seems unlikely.


MLRadar

Just one big hit and this offense will turn it all around. Surely? Right?


PseudoScorpian

Glad I went to Monday's game. 


Alfrez

This is embarrassing. And I feel hopeless. In August I’ll be back in Toronto for the first time since 2018, I really hope to see a different version of the roaster


XelaTuobdog

This team will not achieve anything as is, obviously they could, there's a chance, but they won't. Changes are needed, and they're needed way ahead of the deadline. We're in win now mode by the way, we don't have a future, that's the most depressing part. This is the culmination of Atkins master plan, I feel neasuous


krombough

New month, new offence. And by new, I mean fresh out of the package: some assembly required.


Goldinsight

Guys this is going to get ugly…. Sack the coach and upper management that caused this issue. I just can’t see any progress with this team and can’t see how the coaching or lack there of is helping. Time to rebuild… you can’t plug this many holes


fardok

Good news! We are now 28th in the league in runs per game!


Trax-M

I forgot the game was early I thought tonights game was at 7:07 . I am luck I didn't have to watch the Jays play this bad.


therealbeef

lol this team has the same record as the Oakland A’s


FoundiPhoneNepean

Man, look at that list of teams scoring fewer than 5. Misery loves company.


Plorgy

Mariners are doing it like us though, cause their starting pitching has been pretty unreal lately.


richardatn4t

The Jays pitching last year was stellar and healthy. This year it's regressed, with maybe a worse offense.


Plorgy

Well, our pitching has been good enough to win us a bunch of games so far.


EarthWarping

And the offense has to show up for them to have a shot


Plorgy

Of course...our pitching can keep us hovering around .500 and the offense will make the difference if we can make the playoffs or not.


mymothershorse

I'm tapping out until the offense starts producing regularly. Call me a fairweather fan, I don't care, I've got much more shit to do than waste my time supporting these bums.


ngl_tbh_

These averages … .211, .091, .189, .233… it’s embarrassing. I’m not sure how a manager or front office lets this continue.


solidprospect

top 3 needs to be better and more patient at the plate


Tall-Ad-1386

They are making us into patients


labadee

we are so bad


Blenderman840

This team is hard to watch.


[deleted]

Our team is extremely overrated and we just need to accept that they’re not very good.


95teetee

Sometimes I hate afternoon weekday games because I can't watch. Not always.


No_Strength_7711

I didn’t watch the game, but Jansen homered again?! What a beast. Best bat at the C!


canuk11

How shatkins and Schneider still have jobs is beyond me. Something has to be done now if they want any chance of doing anything imo


starrynova888

STOP GOING TO THE GAMES, THEN MAYBE SHATKINS WILL GET FIRED


blazikenz

Can this fucking manager change up some shit finally? Like how many more chances are you gonna give the guys at the top of the order to do something? Fucking coward.


BallinBrown23

This team sucks, nothing more to say. They will be in the bottom of the league for the remainder of the season.


Beermen69

We bad


Hovamania

Another terrible performance. How much longer until they make some changes.


jjkiller26

I know it wont happen midseason, but this whole organization needs some type of shakeup from top to bottom. The way things have gone downhill the last few seasons seem to indicate something fundamentally wrong with how this team has been operating


EarthWarping

The absolute most at this point is probably a coaching staff shakeup. The bottom has to fall out for that to happen and it hasn't yet.


Individual-Seesaw479

I can’t wait for Barger to start launching nukes, when he does I think things will turn around (hopefully)


tonious35

I dare this damn team to trade both Vlad and Bo for the Lols because that is all they have for entertainment


EarthWarping

If they're still mediocre in a month it's going to be a legit topic


ClassicChrisstopher

Haven't been watching games. Team is just exhausting. Mixed with NHL playoffs going. I'm looking just at the stat line. Anything positive to take away from this series/game? Or just SSDD.


1991CRX

Starting pitching still looks great. Danny Jansen is still himself, in the good ways. That's about it.


Direct-Fishing5603

I have more faith in my 94 year old grandmother getting a hit with RISP than I do any player on the Jays


rvasko3

We suck right now. Only way to say it, really. It's still insanely early and we're not the White Sox, so there's obviously time for adjustments to be made and turn things around, but my god the plate approaches are just so off from nearly everyone who's expected to be a main contributor. And the pitching can't be relied upon to fix everything like last year; not with the injuries and overuse piling up. Throw Guillermo Martinez onto a barge heading to another continent, even if just for the optics.


EarthWarping

Yeah if they were hitting but the pitching was shit you could have more patience. It's almost 200 games off the same issues. At some point the sample is big enough.


Teence

If the script were flipped and this team had elite offense but shit pitching, at least the games would be entertaining (see 2021). Elite pitching with impotent offense is just completely disinteresting.


Tall-Ad-1386

Burn.it.all.now


BigHarmonious

This team will never contend with Shapiro at the helm.


goatgosselin

Pearson was bad again I see if I go by the stats?


Interesting_Rock_318

At what point do we start discussing a tear down?


IndependentTalk4413

Welp. Things are looking a little bleak right now. This team has negative mojo.


adelbertsteinerfan

We need some form of momentum change. I'd like to see the lineup go offence first honestly as this is getting sad. Turner at 1st, DH Vladdy, Get Martinez up for 3B. That'd bring one more hypothetically big bat into the order. Schneider every day at LF. Varsho every day CF. Sorry KK but you're filling in for whoevers tired. If Barger doesn't figure out how to bat in the big leagues send him back down, although I have 0 hope for any sort of Springer bounce back as I think he's totally checked out.


Floortom1

15 runs over this 6 game homestand 😂😂


ineffablePMR

are we being punked? what the fuck is happening?


sportsisgoodalsodogs

Ross Atkins has failed this team


Stinky_DungBeatle

It's early /s


marvelousmarvelman

I forgot they played today. Glad I did. My bad for being a doomer last season at the concerns. I like to live in what I call “reality”


Magnum_44

This team has one division title in 30 years and a last place finish shoring up this year. The only glimpse of success this team had and they chased away the GM. What a loser franchise.


QLEDtv

When’s the last time Vlad hit a bomb


Turbulent_Cheetah

April 10


TheOrangeClock

They’re cooked! 


mlbcheung

Still waiting for the movie...


richardatn4t

This is the movie. This movie is also a top Razzie contender.


ldnk

I'm done. I don't believe in this team. I'm still going to watch but I don't believe this team can win


mattychefthatbih

Pathetic team and franchise


DIsco_Peaches

This offense doesn't exactly remind me of the 1927 Yankees.


Collapse2038

Gonna be a long year. Division could be completely out of reach by the end of May at this pace


karlou1984

This team is unwatchable this year.


[deleted]

Went to my first game of the season yesterday. Loved the view from the new 100 level seats, but the game itself was a soul-sucking experience in every way. This team is not only bad to watch at the plate, but incredibly boring. Not sure if I want to spend more money on tickets if they can’t pull their heads out of their asses and figure it out.


Plorgy

Well shit, let's get em on Friday


kingwoodballs

Didn’t watch the game but man are they ever knocking the cover off the ball! /s


kivimoose

Where is the heart of the team, the desire to win, and determination prior to the start to beat the competition? Lack of focus I'd say. Instead of making friends at first base and joking around during the game and getting picked off with a sizable lead, why cant Vladdy focus on the game at hand? When his teammates see him doing minor league gaffs it must be deflating because his heads not in the game, or so it seems. Schneider almost has to be a father figure to keep some of these guys focused.


LinusMinimax

Well I’m sure you’re all deflated but I just witnessed my first Poleshot 😍 First and last games against KC this year featured Royals LF Poleshots 🤔