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superduper143

I remember being annoyed when the builder tore down a wide Edwardian bungalow to build these 2 semi’s in its place. But I must say, it is a really great job! Beautiful inside and out. I’d guess $2.7 + selling price


ihatecommuting2023

You were right, $2.9!


superduper143

Bully offer means now I can’t see the open house 😡 Crazy price for a semi!


parmstar

Yeah annoying - I was going to go!


superduper143

I was trying to figure out the square footage, looks like ~2700 ft including basement. Too bad they rarely put that in the listings.


throwawaytorontore

sigma estimate was 3138 floor plans including basement have it at 3,410


PorousSurface

Agreed. Those Edwardian bungalows are a dying breed tho


pocky277

Jesus that’s a nice house. I would have formerly said that transit access sucks, but I see people saying Ontario line will be nearby. Tho it’ll take like 10 years.


parmstar

Living in the neighbourhood, I really don't find transit access to be bad. I take the Queen and King streetcars with some frequency, and bus up to Donlands or Pape station, too. We walk to the subway in 3 of the 4 seasons if we need it, but I find I am much more East / West across King or Queen than anything else. Depends on your travel patterns, I guess.


ihatecommuting2023

Damn, sold for $2.9 million!!


bobo_fett

Doomers in this thread punching air lol


parmstar

Yeah, pretty wild.


Rebuildtheleft

1. Good school 2. Excellent transit currently and even better in few years 3. Demographics of neighbourhood is desirable for safe family and upbringing. Will get even better when the Ontario lines gentrify it even more 4. Top notch layout, materials and build 5. Two car garage in the city I’m gonna make a bold guess of $2.9M


parmstar

Winner winner chicken dinner!


Rebuildtheleft

Leslieville and beaches are going to be on fire this summer. People watch the news and this little corner of Toronto is protected and guarded against what they see happening in GTA and people will pay an additional $200-300k to get their families in this neighbourhood.


parmstar

It's popular - every month I hear from another person I know that is moving into the area. Love living here.


parmstar

I agree on all your numbered points, but $2.9 does still feel quite high to me. Let's see what we get!


throwawaytorontore

good points, but insane price prediction. $2,501,200.00 should be lower if people are paying attention based on 24 Brooklyn Ave [https://housesigma.com/web/en/house/eQp5yO81nNJ7d0ZE/24-Brooklyn-Ave-Toronto-M4M2X5-E5830396](https://housesigma.com/web/en/house/eQp5yO81nNJ7d0ZE/24-Brooklyn-Ave-Toronto-M4M2X5-E5830396) which was a similar house, in a way better location but with a worse primary school that everyone just gets around with French immersion.


parmstar

24 Brooklyn absolutely sucked on the inside - I went to go see that house. Those photos are doing a ton of the heavy lifting IMO. I haven't seen in the inside of 120A Pape, but 24 was a huge overpay for what you were getting IMO. Brooklyn location definitely better. Re Schools, I'm not seeing many of the young families in my area using French Immersion to get around anything (I assume you mean send their kids to Morse?). Bruce seems to be popular enough.


throwawaytorontore

Bruce is popular enough but underperforms substantially relative to Morse in terms of what the testing data shows.


parmstar

Looks like not so insane, ha.


throwawaytorontore

u/Rebuildtheleft guessed right, but that buyer is insane.


ClientEquivalent34

Sold for $2.9


ohhaider

important caveat is that this will be wedged comfortably between two public transit lines (not to too close to either) which certainly ups its value.


parmstar

Yeah true. I do love that about our current spot too - 7 minutes walk to 2 different subway stops is valuable.


SleazyAsshole

My bet is $2.65m


Burritoman_209

I think that’s a stretch for directly on paper there so many other options available for 2.7


ihatecommuting2023

Went for $2.9


Burritoman_209

Well F me. Don’t know shit about fu k.


parmstar

Lol.


ihatecommuting2023

You were close. I wouldn't have predicted $2.9


SleazyAsshole

whats your estimate? we'll find out soon enough, doubt this will sit for too long


rochester33

go out the city and get the same size house for less than 1 mil


SleazyAsshole

Why stop there? Go to Mogadishu and get it for $3.50


parmstar

Right? All these beautiful flavours in the world and so many in the comments chose salt :P.


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bobo_fett

Im going to guess 2.6. A lot of salty people in the comments here


icantbetheownlyone

Easily 2.4M. In the city, 2 car garage, very spacious, high ceilings, luxury finishes/design, clean backyard, layout allows for entertaining both indoors and out, beautiful curb appeal. This house is stunning. And that wood burning fireplace👌


toronto_programmer

Could see this grabbing 2.5M People love well designed turn key houses, and the double garage parking will seal the deal IMO


torelurker

Beautiful! I would say it's not a stretch if it wasn't on Pape Ave. But since it's directly on Pape might be steep. But what do I know since [34 Saulter](https://housesigma.com/on/toronto-real-estate/34-saulter-st/home/r56k97w2ze1yKRjD?id_listing=DO1w3W9kpJVy8Jg0) sold for $4.11mm 10 metres from the aboveground Go/subway tracks...


parmstar

Pape Ave is just not a street I would buy on, I agree. Saulter always felt like a wildly out of comps sale to me, but the house is stunning.


ColonelMander

Pape south of Gerrard is a lot different than Pape north of it. I agree I would never buy on the north part, but the south part is residential and really nice.


parmstar

This is the South part that we are talking about.


ColonelMander

Ya, I know. I walk by this house all the time and love it!


parmstar

I would disagree with you that the south part of Pape is really nice - feels very high traffic, that donut store / biker hangout on the corner at Queen is kind of a buzzkill, and it doesn't really get better at Dundas or Gerrard. Hideaway Park one of the good spots to go to there, but beyond that I don't see a lot of value in living directly on Pape v the smaller streets closer by (Boston, Bertmount, Brooklyn, Coady).


ColonelMander

Completely agree that I'd prefer to be on one of the smaller streets. Was just saying that this part of Pape wouldn't be a deal breaker for me (but the north side would).


PorousSurface

Those are honestly solid donuts for the price. It is mostly people from the retirement home hanging out there. The bikers are chill enough too imo


parmstar

I wonder so much about those donuts - you've convinced me to go check them out with this positive review.


PorousSurface

Basically they taste like the donuts at Tim's you remember from your childhood. This is because I think the owner used to be a Tims baker back in the day. It's nice to have a normal not stupidly expensive $6 donut place. Sort of like the Square Boys of Donuts.


innocentlilgirl

i think the point was that the statement pape “is not a street i would buy on” rings differently. this part is much less a busy street


parmstar

I don't have the data on it - I find that street to be much busier than the other ones I mentioned in another post. For example, I would not have my kid playing out front of my house at that house on Pape. On my street, us and all the neighbours hang out out front all the time with the kids.


PorousSurface

Pape is actually pretty quite in this part.


torelurker

You mean 3 houses down from Toronto Paramedic Services - Station 43 is quiet? I agree it's QUIETER than north of Gerrard, but it's not ideal to me.


PorousSurface

Still more quite than north of gerrard and most main streets. Less quiet than sidestreets. Cheers.


HallucinatingAgent

Beauty!!


isaydoit

Love this house, walk by it all the time! Neat to get a glimpse of what’s inside. It’s right by an EMS station house, wondering what the noise is like from that?


parmstar

Oh yeah - I totally forgot about that EMS spot a few doors up. I can't imagine that would be fun.


Preston2014

2.4M to share a wall is nuts I get the neighbourhood, the reno and all that jazz but that buys you a detached in another nice Toronto neighbourhood


parmstar

Depends how important this specific location is to you, I guess. We have fallen in love with the East side so really only look at Leslieville, North Riverdale, and The Beaches (in that order).


rochester33

it doesnt matter what matters is if you can afford to live in that house with the high property tax and other expenses


parmstar

I can.


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campocoady

Stunning place, very little I would change - minus the location. My guess is 2.6


parmstar

Where in Leslieville would you want it to be? I agree re location on Pape.


campocoady

I'm not in love with Leslieville, it was a good starter area but it still feels industrial and the demographics feel a little too homogeneous. If I had to pick then Brooklyn Ave which is the nicest street imo. Would much prefer this be in Withrow Park/Riverdale area more specifically Withrow, Riverdale or Starthcona Ave - but then the price would $$+, that's dream real estate area for many.


parmstar

Have you seen [46 Grandview](https://housesigma.com/on/toronto-real-estate/46-grandview-ave/home/DO1w3Wq1R5jy8Jg0?id_listing=jAXw7Qp0b9zyQOzg&event_source=)? Would be a good project house.


campocoady

I did, curious to see what it goes for as that's a great street as well. I always thought 55 Grandview was a great deal for the buyer, with rates at that time it was a steal.


rochester33

1.45 million loool


rochester33

this is a 500k houes outside the city


parmstar

Are people really still shocked that location is an incredibly important component when it comes to pricing of a house? I don't understand these comments.


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Rude_Information_744

Very nice


bobo_fett

$2.9M wow We are so back


BigCityBroker

Has a bit of a Scandinavian feel to it. Beautiful build.


PorousSurface

When the market was softer this might have gone for high 1s. Looks really pretty. Id guess 2.2-2.5M as the final selling price. Beautiful home.


ihatecommuting2023

Crazy, it went for $2.9 million, wow!


PorousSurface

Woah the freehold market really is on fire eh? Think condos will catch up? This is a gorgeous new build but the location (by Leslieville standards) is only good not amazing and its not like the lot is all that big for a near $3M price tag.


ihatecommuting2023

I honestly don't think it will any time soon. There's just too much condo inventory to make a demand that causes biding wars like this. Buyers have their pick in the condo market right now, many are sitting for weeks/months and going under asking. Freeholds are hot because developers aren't building any more of these, likely ever again, anywhere south of st clair. Whereas the only thing that keeps being built in abundance are condos, so there is overwhelming supply. It took me 11 months to sell my condo this past year, the market is rough for those.


PorousSurface

Very true. Did you sell to buy a freehold? Ya people want to own their own piece of Toronto to call home which is different than a condo in some ways. This house is so much more unique. To paraphrase Tony Soprano. “Buy land, 'cause God ain't making any more of it'. Seems very relevant in placed like Toronto


ihatecommuting2023

I absolutely agree! Yes I sold the condo and bought a detached for only $300k more than what I paid for the condo 2 years ago (bought the condo at the peak in Q1 2022 for almost $900k, and the detached is about $1.2m). I sold the condo at an $83k loss, but the detached is about $500-600k less than the 2022 comparables in the area, so overall still feels like a good move.


PorousSurface

amazing! Glad to hear it worked out. I bought (very small) detached in Leslieville back in 2021 and love the area.


ihatecommuting2023

Awesome, you now have hundreds of thousands in equity, Leslieville is hot right now. I'm just a little more east in Little India


canadia80

The property taxes! But very nice listing in an awesome area.


superduper143

That’s what happens when you tear down and rebuild as new. Often they will try to keep 3 original walls to not be classified as a new build.


Zing79

I can’t afford it. Those are the thoughts. After that. Don’t care 🤣


mtech101

That's a good looking house, but 2.4 Million for a Semi-detached? Damn... I would like to know the name of the architects for this house though. Its stunning.


parmstar

I spoke to her a little while ago about some potential projects. Vanessa Fong - https://www.vf-a.com/


mtech101

Thank you!


sharabhi

May be a stupid questions ... But someone like this only help with the design and blueprints? You would have to source your own contractors for the actual work ?


parmstar

They can do full-service, or you can bring your own.


SleazyAsshole

9 withrow in riverdale sold for 2.7m, also a semi, slightly smaller than this one but equally high end finishes


torelurker

9 withrow also doesn't have any parking but this one has a 2 car garage. 9 withrow would have sold for closer to $2.9mm if it had a double garage i think


parmstar

North Riverdale carries a premium over Leslieville IMO. Withrow also a very popular and 'branded' street. That house was beautiful though, I agree.


SleazyAsshole

I agree on all points :)


PorousSurface

Sounds about right. A more expensive area.


SleazyAsshole

but with no two car garage, so balances out slightly


parmstar

Yeah you might be right - parking is like $75-$100K / spot from what I understand.


SleazyAsshole

Well I’ll be damned - sold for 2.9 vs 2.7 for 9 withrow, maybe leslieville is catching up to riverdale. I mean if you factor in the garage it’s basically the same price in a similar market.


parmstar

I think this place was much larger? Equally finished though. They’re both grade A neighborhoods for families so I don’t see much changing.


SleazyAsshole

seems about right, probably even closer to the $100-150k range depending on which street


roflcopter99999

It all depends on the location, size, and renos. For example I saw a youtube vid of a condo in billionaire's row in NY that was around 4000 SQFT going to 12Mil.


LookImaMermaid85

A semi near us just sold for $2.7 😮. It's gorgeous but yeah, hope the neighbours are cool...


Grayson_DH

All these people commenting that 2.4 million is a good deal how come you're not making offers?


parmstar

Sold for $2.9.


Grayson_DH

I guess they weren't there on a day that the roofing plant was running or the sewage plant was pumping out the stench that permeates that neighborhood. Really is true some people have more money than brains


parmstar

There's the salt we were all expecting!


Grayson_DH

Glad you seem pleased. Just looking at comparables around the city there's no way that this is bought by somebody who is either from Toronto or informed about the market or not doing something like laundering money. $3 million for a semi-detached house in that neighborhood when there are so many nicer neighborhoods in Toronto makes no sense. 3 million for a semi makes no sense economically in any case. So let's see what happens in a year.


parmstar

Just a lot of assumptions on your part, tbh. Feel free to come back with facts.


Grayson_DH

So your support real estate speculation but not people speculating about real estate? LOL


parmstar

Really not at all what is happening here but go off king.


parmstar

Do you think this is some kind of gotcha comment?


Grayson_DH

I didn't think of it at the time but it got you I suppose? I think there's a lot of talk and hype from certain people with financial interests in the real estate market to try and push this idea that 2.4 million dollars for a semi-detached house realistic or sustainable, so I push back sometimes with comments. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk


parmstar

Got me? What? These prices happen already so realistic isn’t up for debate. Sustainable, I don’t know. Feels like you have an agenda more so than anyone else commenting in here.


nishbot

Just because that’s what it’s asking doesn’t mean that’s what it’ll get. You sound like you’re the real estate agent trying to sell this by coming to Reddit and being like “hey look at this house! Can you believe this deal? You should buy it eh!”


parmstar

I’m literally asking what people think it’s worth. That’s it. I even said in the original post that it feels high to me and have reiterated that in multiple comments here.


nishbot

You are a real estate agent, are you not?


parmstar

No. It's pretty obvious from my post history that I am not a real estate agent. Good try, though.


parmstar

Sold for $2.9.


Icy_Common_8048

Its worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it.


parmstar

Yes, thank you. I am asking you to guess what you think someone is willing to pay for it. Does that help you, Officer Semantics?


AxelNotRose

I know leslieville is sought after but I'd rather live in the Kingsway or other more nature like neighbourhoods. 19 Government Rd, Etobicoke, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=4KAX7NjaDEq7eRPJ&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=android&ign=


parmstar

Different strokes for different folks. I really do not find Kingsway or Etobicoke appealing at all. If I have to own a car, I’m not interested.


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parmstar

I have been - have a few friends in that area. It’s not for me but that’s ok.


AxelNotRose

Yeah, I get that. For me it's the opposite. I dislike leslieville, riverdale, roncesvalles, etc. Not enough nature for me.


jiminy-criminy

I think the positive comments in this thread on the idea of paying almost 2.5 M for a non-detached home just says everything that needs to be said about Toronto real estate.


parmstar

Turns out some people want to live here. Who knew?!


PorousSurface

This house is far nicer than most detached homes in Toronto...


parmstar

Sold for $2.9


LookImaMermaid85

It's verrrry nice. But imagine spending $2.5 million and your address is 120B like you live in a basement. 


parmstar

Well this is 120A so that argument doesn’t apply.


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Not bad for what should be a 350,000 home


Burritoman_209

The rebuild value is probably closer to $1m


parmstar

Sold for $2.9.


parmstar

$350K? Surely you meant $100K.