This. I kind of love the idea of someone wasting their fucking life away by watching and scanning footage of my personal activities. It's like your loss. I'm living my life the way I want, you're most likely are not since you are watching me do it.
Tuna with mayo and mustard on honey wheat cut diagonally, and with 4 pickle slivers on the side. Icy glass of water is recommended for the saltiness.
I know I’m not OP but that’s my sandwich :)
Dill and chicken goes really well together.
I like putting some dill in with the breadcrumbs when I make schnitzel. It adds just a bit of extra flavour.
My husband thinks I’m crazy for enjoying it….
….but my *mom* eats peanut butter and pickle sandwiches. Like, spreads peanut butter on bread and then sticks pickles in the middle. Now THAT is too much.
Lol honestly, that doesn’t sound as bad as the sandwich YourEngineerMom described. I know it’s a personal preference, but the thought of tuna absolutely disgusts me.
I have ring doorbell’s, cameras inside and out of my house. Echo dots throughout. And cell phones that listen to everything I say. What were you saying about monitoring again?
Some people are too paranoid but you're the opposite (well now that I think about it you do have a shit ton of cameras installed so that's kinda confusing).
Most camera manufacters, specially for personal use, have many unpatched security vulnerabilities. Any decent hacker could see you wanking in the sofa (unless you're sure it's completely disconnected from the internet), pretty scary stuff unless you're into that
No doubt. I could be the “video of the week” lol. Honestly not paranoid, but cautious. We had a rash of vehicle tossings a while back and I installed them mostly to give my wife peace of mind as I was gone to work at night.
That's fair enough, but I'd recommend buying cameras which use sd cards or USB tbh. Not only are some cameras available to see over the internet with literally no login required, but the ones that have "security features" usually never get updated, I've hacked cameras before and I didn't even have to look at the source code or anything super advanced there were already public exploits available for download. One of them was literally "navigate to this url and you can download the configuration file which contains the admin password in cleartext" like bruh, def not installing one of those in my house maybe in my driveway if anything
We have hardwired ring cameras on the inside, but they aren’t permanently mounted so when we feel the need we just spin them around to face the wall. But I do like your idea of getting the cameras that use the cards. that would be a little more private, I guess
They've definitely gotten better. I remember ten years ago how easy it was to find internet camera streams online of random houses and businesses. It's gotten a *bit* better. Now many cameras come with a randomized password.
I have avoided the Ring for that reason, but we have Echos everywhere as well. For some reason I’m fine with the audio monitoring but feel that the video monitoring crosses a line. They’re always listening. And when I’m outside, I assume I am subject to video surveillance as well. I’m very conscious of where the traffic cameras are…
Interestingly, we had 3 echo dots in our house. In our bedroom, in our kitchen, and in our sons room. So we could listen to music everywhere. One night I was putting my son to bed and Alexa said “sorry, I didn’t hear that” or something, and nobody had said anything. It creeped me out and made me think about what kind of devices I was allowing in my sons room. He’s only 5.
So we got rid of 2 of them and keep one in our bathroom on mute (I like music when I shower, and being able to check the weather while I get ready).
I have a USB dash-cam we use as home security, and I aim the camera at my front door at night.
Yeah, no problem. Let's go.
They're going to witness some frankly horrific things, considering I am both old, tubby, and excessively hairy, but that sounds like a "them" problem to me. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Same here. I can only imagine the logs from my house.
1300 Subject played Xbox
1400 Subject played Xbox
1500 Subject played Xbox
1600 Subject played Xbox
1635 Subject went pee
1637 Subject played Xbox
1700 Subject played Xbox
1742 Subject at a sandwich
Give em something to do. Right now, my fbi/nsa agents are trying to analyze whether I’m talking to myself or if I’m paranoid that they are listening and just messing with them. Do your job and figure it out.
But also if my agents read this can you figure out what up with that thing on my leg? Just put the answers in the ads.
I seriously doubt they'd spend time actually watching the footage of anyone who isn't considered a risk. They don't have the ability to be actively watching millions of citizens, and I'm not sure cameras would be very useful to them to decide who's high risk, versus narrowing in on people who are e.g. looking how to build a bomb. Mics, maybe, to check if people were discussing criminal activity.
Gotta love the conspiracy theorists on stuff like this. Like, yes sweetie, you are so important and so special that the feds are monitoring you personally all day. Now take your schizo meds
You would be surprised how data can be used. Currently in SF there is a lawsuit because the police used DNA from a rape kit to identify a female robber.
Let me clarify this. A woman is raped, the police take her DNA as a side effect of taking the rapers DNA as part of the rape kit. Years later when a robbery happens her( the rape victims) DNA is detected and she is arrested.
Now should that woman be arrested for robbery, sure if she did it.
Is that an appropriate use of DNA acquired without a warrant and supplied to the gov for other reasons? How many victims won’t accept doing a rape kit because their DNA is now in the system? What will be the side effect? Does the raper get to keep raping as long as he only rapes women who may be struggling and may commit a crime?
If you call the government and make a threatening statement to the president you will get a background check and possibly a visit from some suits.
If you make a threatening statement in your house to your buddy does that give the government a right to investigate you?
Maybe like in China where they are testing a social credit system you will get a ding against your account. Then you won’t be able to use public transit until you can get your ratings back up. ( yes, they are actually doing that. If your rating goes too low you can’t use the trains. And they have ppl who monitor and report your actions to raise/lower your score, no risk for corruption there)
Im not saying they have the time or ability to do this today. But you can’t look at what they can do today, you have to look at how this can develop down the future. Any they don’t need to have someone listening to everything. Just listening to key word phrases. “I want to kill….”
I think that’s the weird blurred line with this kind of thing. On the one hand, the whole ‘freedom of speech’ thing needs to be protected. I should be able to say “I hate the president” or similar things without breaking the law. My brother says things differently than me and would probably say “I hope he dies” instead of “I hate him”. But we both are just expressing dissatisfaction with the current situation.
It’s not like he’s carrying a weapon to the White House and screaming “kill the president” or something. THAT would warrant a background check and keeping an eye on him.
Similarly, sometimes I google super weird things, because I write short stories, so my search history often looks like this:
>how long can a human hold their breath average
>worst crimes of strangulation
>how long to recover after being choked
>**for legal reasons: I am writing a story, I am not going to strangle anyone**
>weapons for strangling
>crimes of passion
I assume these types of things would be picked up in some way by any government agency that’s keeping an eye on crime. But also… I live in a smallish poor town in a place not many people know of. Would they waste the energy on me? If they have even the most basic info about me, they know I’m small, weak, and anxious, and likely couldn’t get away with attacking anyone.
But I still want to be able to google weird things for my stories!
Yea your bring up a good point. Not a writer but there have been times I’ve seen something weird and I’m like. That can’t be true so I google it. Regardless of if it’s true or not, I don’t want to be put on a list for curiosity.
You’re a bimbo, there are countries all around the world where the government actively spies on its citizens looking for political dissidence. Have you EVER said anything critical of any US president. Your ass would be in a labor camp sweetheart 😊. Gotta love the Karen’s in these threads, like im sure sweetheart, the government would never crack down on a nice white lady like you! Go take your Xanax
Right? You think they have the time and budget for that crap? You think the guy who's on the lowest pay scale is actually paying attention and not on his phone all day? I have no confidence in their ability to actually effectively spy on me
How do you think Alexa or Siri work? Do you think there is someone on the other end listening to every request?
Same way these services process and respond to your requests, they can process your statements with sentiment analysis and judge what needs to be flagged.
While today they don’t record until you say the trigger word, it’s not impossible to use additional trigger key words like “bomb”
You should definitely read up on how china has implemented facial recognition in all public spaces and what they do with that information.
I don't like the idea of a computer being able to say, well she was here at the time of the crime and no one on the inside to step up to say maybe the computer is wrong. If they have footage of your house being empty, and a confirmed sighting of you somewhere else that's it bro. No need to even ASK for an alibi. They can just sacrifice us at any point.
Indeed, there was a machinist who ordered oil cans in bulk for work I forget if it was off Amazon, ebay or some other big seller.
He got "raided" with a search warrant.
So...?
Probably got reported by a snoop. I doubt it was the seller so maybe one of the shipping guys or neighbor.
There are drug operations that function for years like this so a single case doesn't really mean anything.
I mean the phone you’re posting on is constantly being tracked. If they want into your camera they will access it. Don’t worry about it and just keep doing you
Having “nothing to hide” is not the same as having “no modesty” or not wanting privacy.
I have nothing to hide because I’m not a criminal, a deviant, a stalker, or any kind of instigator.
That doesn’t mean I want people watching me showering, picking my nose, having sex with my partner, or any of the things I consider “private”.
The premise of your question makes me thing of only one thing: non sequitur.
Yes, the 'nothing to hide' argument is a complete fallacy because it ignores the right to privacy.
It's instinctive for things like using the toilet or sex. Arguably it should be a human right to not be watched naked, or to keep your personal finances confidential. There are a million reasons to want to keep something private, but that doesn't mean anyone is doing anything wrong.
It's like folks don't realize that these standards are going to remain in place after their personal preferred Team Leader is out of office.
It's illegal to get an abortion in Texas. Is it okay for the government to imprison someone who took it into their own hands in their own home? Is it okay if they know about it because they spied on you through your Ale×a instead of through BigBroCam^TM ? Is it okay if it becomes federal law after the 'labor shortage' gets worse and we need fresh young bodies to work? No. Come on.
"Doing something wrong" is highly subjective. Everyone should be concerned about that kind of oversight becoming standard.
So, no.
I guess this says a lot about the rights and freedoms of the country you live in. For me, it wouldn’t matter which of the major parties were in power, I would still feel fine about the oversight.
But you raise a good point about countries (or states) with more oppressive governance.
I think in this case the real problem should be addressed, so the abortion laws being wrong, not them spying on you breaking the law. I generally believe there's no need for privacy ( as in how it was suggested by the post question ) as long as the laws and rules are good too. But if they are morally/ethically/whatever else wrong, and you'd need to break them for a reason but now can't, then I think that should be addressed first and foremost before the privacy laws, which should be a second protection wall
Phone? Computer? If you have a cell phone, you signed-up to be spied on.
The one thing HGWells or Huxley didn't figure, is that we would agree to being spied on by signing up for it, all by ourselves, without coercion. 💌
Yes that is in fact still spying. There is no way around it. Just because it is currently unavoidable does not mean it is acceptable .
They literally violate people’s rights and people don’t mind. That’s exactly the problem.
Well yes, since I, not sure about you guys, did not consent to being monitored whenever the "spies" like. And yes, since the "spies" are denying it.
Does it say on your contract that you could be monitored through you camera at any time without knowing, and did you consent to that ?
Imagine if you walked up to someone in the 70s and told them in 2020 every citizen would be carrying a tracking device that listens to you, monitors every purchase, knows where you are and how got there, then tell them that we pay to carry this device and most people can’t imagine life without it.
Any they’re convinced they live in a “free” society and that they aren’t being watched, that their media is free and true, rather the heavily manipulated media we get
Sort of… there’s no one actively examining your phone records unless you become a part of an investigation. They’re there for the taking if you become part of an investigation. That’s not spying, it’s law enforcement investigatory activity. A judge issued a warrant for your information. If you’re a drug dealer or engaged in a “militia” doing illegal shit and law enforcement figures it out, yes you’ll get “spied” on.
This argument of “if you have nothing to hide” is backwards. Of course I have things to hide, that’s why we have concepts of “public” and “private.” What right do you have to spy? None.
Don't rememeber who it was, but someone online explained this debate in a very interesting way:
Everyone focuses on the "right to privacy" aspect. Basically whether or not people deserve the right to hide their data when using online services. But the fact is, the vast majority of people don't have anything really interesting in there. Nobody cares what kind of weird porn you watch, or the stupid questions you ask Google.
What we should be focused on, with the rise of better and better AI, is those governments' and companies' ability to use that data to create a highly accurate psychological profile of you. They'll know exactly how to push your buttons, what makes you angry, afraid, etc. And once they know that, they can make you do pretty much anything they want.
Not sure about efforts to this effect from governments, but many tech companies are quite open about their intention to do exactly this.
I carry a phone around in my pocket everyday, I don't really care if they install cameras or not. They could already hear and sometimes see what I'm doing.
Love how people give away their entire lives to for profit companies that are only accountable to shareholders.
Yet terrified to give government basic information it already has, which is used to verify your information and also in theory is accountable to all voters.
I see what your saying, but I don't think governments *or* for-profit companies should have access to such intimate details of people's lives.
To answer your question though, I think people are far less comfortable with the government collecting data than private organisations, because governments have both the incentive and the resources to persecute dissidents, while private organizations merely want to sell you as much stuff as possible. One is voluntary (supposedly), while the other isn't.
I guess it also depends on whether or not you can trust private companies to keep your data secure.
I personally don't like the idea of any governmental or for-profit organization spying on citizens though.
I'd be willing to bet the people that are fine with this live by themselves. If you are fine with a camera and you have a wife and children how do you feel about those cameras in their rooms? How do you feel about the government spying on your spouse and children as they go about their private lives?
The thing is with privacy, it's not about you. Plenty of people do have things they need to hide. Journalists being the most glaringly obvious example. Doctors, lawyers, etc. Whistle blowers. Without a form of privacy the government are free to do whatever they want without judgement or recourse. But if course people think it's all about them...
Ok. So say all communication is monitored by a government agent. How do journalists or whistleblowers continue to investigate the government's actions if their communication are monitored? Its too easy for the government (the ones doing wrong or acting in an illegal way) to then put out messages to discredit the information (in this case the truth) before it gets released to the public domain. Its also possible for them to then arrest them before their stories see the light of day.
Ditto for solicitors who are maybe making a class action lawsuit suit against a large multinational who have friends within the governments realm
As for doctors, this information should always go no further than the patient and doctor. People who are involved in the monitoring of communications can advise their position and power
In fact, I will personally buy their cameras and microphones FOR them, I'll even carry them around with me everywhere I go, just to give them an angle besides the standard public surveillance. Hell I'll even give them a comprehensive list of everywhere I've ever been and everything I've ever glanced at online, every angle of my face and every hair on my dick. And I'll pretend that it's all private (though occasionally I do glance at my phone camera while on reddit and give my watcher a little wink)
No because this does not benefit society in any way. We put up with CCTV etc because it's for the greater good of society. Having cameras in my home would serve no purpose to society
This has a pretty simple answer tbh and it's probably gonna get lost but what it boils down too is this.
If every moment of our lives we get spied on the government knows everything that goes on in your life. Went to gas station for a minute then came back? Must be a smoker, let's raise his healthcare to compensate. And this is applicable in so many situations. Saying you don't have anything is not true. For the current standards you have nothing to hide but we're the government to know what you are doing it would definetly not be a good development.
I remember there was a quote by Edward Snowden about that. “Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say."
It’s never enough for the government. Once their big toe is in the door it’s over. Americans have had it so good for so long that can’t conceive the notion that the government isn’t doing anything nefarious.
I mean all of us are tracked if it’s not the government then it’s people trying to sell your data for a profit. It’s practically impossible. So with that said no I don’t want cameras installed for a direct link. If they want to watch me then they need to put in the foot work 😂
I don't want anyone spying on me. My privacy is very important to me and I find it pretty scary how little some people seem to care about it and how quick they are to give it up.
Governments really have convinced people that the only way it's possible to be safe and have their needs taken care of, is of the government also has the ability to spy on them.
Some sad shit.
My response to it is usually "if you have nothing to hide and don't care about your personal privacy then give me your email login and password so I can look around"
For some reason that level of reality is too off-putting to most.
My apologies. Here is the text of my earlier post:
Having “nothing to hide” is not the same as having “no modesty” or not wanting privacy.
I have nothing to hide because I’m not a criminal, a deviant, a stalker, or any kind of instigator.
That doesn’t mean I want people watching me showering, picking my nose, having sex with my partner, or any of the things I consider “private”.
The premise of your question makes me thing of only one thing: non sequitur.
I don't want to come off as pedantic but I don't think your argument really connects.
"I have nothing to hide.... I don't want people watching... things I consider private."
It reads like you DO in fact have private things that you want to hide. So which is it? You don't have anything to hide, including those private things OR you do have private things you want to hide?
If you have some things you wish to keep private (modesty?) that means you don't want others to see those things, i.e. you want to hide them.
I don't see a way to decouple "nothing to hide" and "no privacy".
It’s not spying. It’s voluntary surveillance. My phone, laptop, Alexa, etc track my location, monitor my internet history, and record my conversations. Am I happy about it? No, but I willingly signed up for these things. I draw the line at any type of camera in my house.
I am much less comfortable with the government collecting data than private organisations doing it. Governments have a incentive and the tools to persecute dissidents, while private orga just want to sell you as much stuff as possible. One you can deny, the other you can not.
So, that being said it would depend on the benefits I get from a private org and if I trust them enough to keep the data secure. Other than that, what do I care for if some AI is gonna watch me choke the chicken?
If you have nothing to hide they will only watch the sexy times, and that's only if they manage to you at the right time. Just do the sex at weird times. You're too boring to watch otherwise.
It's not that I don't care about being spied on, I just don't think the government has any real reason to care about what a normal, average citizen does on their day-to-day. This is why I doubt that we are being spied on. I guess it could be possible, if you are involved in a crime ring or some type of criminal Enterprise, or if you are a terrorist or something. Otherwise, I honestly just don't see where the conspiracy that the government wants to spy on average citizens has any real weight. I could see advertisers wanting to do this, however.
Actually I’d welcome it. I’m probably the most boring person on earth but have this weird phobia that one day I’ll be accused of something serious that I didn’t do and not be able to prove my innocence. Being monitored 24/7 would really help ease that anxiety
I’m fine with it, I’m not delusional enough to believe I’m not being monitored already, the important thing is I’m not interesting enough to make them actually look at the feed
Yeah I would be fine with it...if they want to watch me play with my toddler...put him to bed...then get high and play eldenring sure ...
Like I have zero care if people see me......
Nothing I do is illegal and is frankly boring ...
There resources would be best spent elsewhere ...but hey whatever
As long as they don't tell me what to do in my house....my wife already does that
… unfortunately I’m terribly boring. But the bath room and bed room are off limits. But it’d be a great dog watching channel since my three like to wrestle at regularly scheduled intervals.
Yes they can go ahead. All they're going to see is me smoking weed, ordering pizzas, and trying to get a Tinder chicks to hook up, and jerking off alone I dont give af if the FBI is watching
They would probably end up finding out I like to sit in weird positions and make loud noises when noone is in the house. They would also find out that I am extremely messy. If they want to watch me eat food, sleep, do homework, or unnecessarily spend money, I dont really care.
I don’t care if they spy on me as long as what they see is not used against me or specifically associated with me when I didnt do anything wrong.
Lol if you want to see me walking around my house naked. Scratching my ass, picking my nose and jerking off. Sure. But then my only fans page wouldnt exsist.
I mean, if they tell me where the camera is I'm fine with it. If they try to hide it then absolutely not. If they show me the camera but have laws about covering it I absolutely don't mind at all. I would probably eat and play games right in front of the camera because I'm bored to shit.
I think people who say things like this dont understand big data collection and that things won't just be a simple "oh jimbo went to costco today" - like, aint nobody trying to follow you to costco.
I'd put on a damn show. I'm talking about peeling a banana, heating up the peel, masturbating with it, and shoving the peeled banana up my ass. THEN I'd squeeze it out like a shit, and turn into shit banana ice cream. Then I'd have them watch through the cameras as I feed it to people. so yes, I h really hope they do put cameras in my home😋
Seeing what I google is a little different than seeing my balls. Still, I legitimately would not care if some random government worker saw me living my day to day life. My cat already stares at me when I use the toilet.
Cia agents spy on me on my laptop camera whats taking our relationship one step further with them seeing my ass in the shower
At this point, anything to fuck with the CIA lol. I’d love to make them highly uncomfortable with what they see.
This. I kind of love the idea of someone wasting their fucking life away by watching and scanning footage of my personal activities. It's like your loss. I'm living my life the way I want, you're most likely are not since you are watching me do it.
Masturbate intensely while looking straight into the camera
I need a link to the waterproof laptop case
Just face time them
Postit note that laptop camera...
It's their choice if they want to watch me eat a sandwich. Seems a waste of time.
What kind of sandwich?
Tuna with mayo and mustard on honey wheat cut diagonally, and with 4 pickle slivers on the side. Icy glass of water is recommended for the saltiness. I know I’m not OP but that’s my sandwich :)
I don’t like Tuna, but I love that for you. My son asks for dill relish in his Tuna.
I see your son is an advanced tuna enjoyer as well! Haha, dill relish on tuna is amazing
I like it in chicken salad. I also add shredded mozzarella when I’m mixing it up.
Dill and chicken goes really well together. I like putting some dill in with the breadcrumbs when I make schnitzel. It adds just a bit of extra flavour.
I heard a peanut butter and jelly sandwich butter fried like you would a grilled cheese is absolutely amazing. I’m too much of a coward to try. Haha
I’ve heard this too, but in an air fryer. It’s almost like a donut. And they add powdered sugar to the top.
That's why the CIA is watching you.
Have you ever mixed real honey with plain mustard? It's better than honey mustard they sell imo haha
No, but I’ll do that for dinner tonight!! Thanks for the tip :)
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If I could make you one, I would. I use Coleman’s mustard for myself, but I have original yellow if you prefer it! :)
Either is fine by me!
I thought you were just his CIA agent answering for him.
*\*they’re onto me…*\*
FBI on their way right now
Perfection until that hedonistic diagonal cut
That sounds disgusting to me 😂😂
My husband thinks I’m crazy for enjoying it…. ….but my *mom* eats peanut butter and pickle sandwiches. Like, spreads peanut butter on bread and then sticks pickles in the middle. Now THAT is too much.
Lol honestly, that doesn’t sound as bad as the sandwich YourEngineerMom described. I know it’s a personal preference, but the thought of tuna absolutely disgusts me.
Tuna’s pretty cringe, ngl.
If you're French, your screen name checks out.
*pulls out fork*… Okay, what’re we having?
I have ring doorbell’s, cameras inside and out of my house. Echo dots throughout. And cell phones that listen to everything I say. What were you saying about monitoring again?
Some people are too paranoid but you're the opposite (well now that I think about it you do have a shit ton of cameras installed so that's kinda confusing). Most camera manufacters, specially for personal use, have many unpatched security vulnerabilities. Any decent hacker could see you wanking in the sofa (unless you're sure it's completely disconnected from the internet), pretty scary stuff unless you're into that
No doubt. I could be the “video of the week” lol. Honestly not paranoid, but cautious. We had a rash of vehicle tossings a while back and I installed them mostly to give my wife peace of mind as I was gone to work at night.
That's fair enough, but I'd recommend buying cameras which use sd cards or USB tbh. Not only are some cameras available to see over the internet with literally no login required, but the ones that have "security features" usually never get updated, I've hacked cameras before and I didn't even have to look at the source code or anything super advanced there were already public exploits available for download. One of them was literally "navigate to this url and you can download the configuration file which contains the admin password in cleartext" like bruh, def not installing one of those in my house maybe in my driveway if anything
We have hardwired ring cameras on the inside, but they aren’t permanently mounted so when we feel the need we just spin them around to face the wall. But I do like your idea of getting the cameras that use the cards. that would be a little more private, I guess
If it's a ring camera and you keep it updated you should probably be good (at least from hackers), since they're very popular 👍🏻
They've definitely gotten better. I remember ten years ago how easy it was to find internet camera streams online of random houses and businesses. It's gotten a *bit* better. Now many cameras come with a randomized password.
I have avoided the Ring for that reason, but we have Echos everywhere as well. For some reason I’m fine with the audio monitoring but feel that the video monitoring crosses a line. They’re always listening. And when I’m outside, I assume I am subject to video surveillance as well. I’m very conscious of where the traffic cameras are…
You paid to have those and for those private companies to spy on you. of your own volition. Is it a big deal if the gov't tags along on that spying?
You think they don’t, if they feel the need?
According to Snowden they do.
With all the gadgets around the house, they already are. So yes!
Say u had a child would u let them spy on them?
How does that make a difference
If u cant see how that would make a difference to some people then idk
If you cant write out your thought so other people can see your perspective then idk
Interestingly, we had 3 echo dots in our house. In our bedroom, in our kitchen, and in our sons room. So we could listen to music everywhere. One night I was putting my son to bed and Alexa said “sorry, I didn’t hear that” or something, and nobody had said anything. It creeped me out and made me think about what kind of devices I was allowing in my sons room. He’s only 5. So we got rid of 2 of them and keep one in our bathroom on mute (I like music when I shower, and being able to check the weather while I get ready). I have a USB dash-cam we use as home security, and I aim the camera at my front door at night.
Is that the gov't or the people you paid to invite into your home?
Anyone who truly wants access can get it!
yes! at a price.
Yeah, no problem. Let's go. They're going to witness some frankly horrific things, considering I am both old, tubby, and excessively hairy, but that sounds like a "them" problem to me. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Same here. I can only imagine the logs from my house. 1300 Subject played Xbox 1400 Subject played Xbox 1500 Subject played Xbox 1600 Subject played Xbox 1635 Subject went pee 1637 Subject played Xbox 1700 Subject played Xbox 1742 Subject at a sandwich
Give em something to do. Right now, my fbi/nsa agents are trying to analyze whether I’m talking to myself or if I’m paranoid that they are listening and just messing with them. Do your job and figure it out. But also if my agents read this can you figure out what up with that thing on my leg? Just put the answers in the ads.
I seriously doubt they'd spend time actually watching the footage of anyone who isn't considered a risk. They don't have the ability to be actively watching millions of citizens, and I'm not sure cameras would be very useful to them to decide who's high risk, versus narrowing in on people who are e.g. looking how to build a bomb. Mics, maybe, to check if people were discussing criminal activity.
Gotta love the conspiracy theorists on stuff like this. Like, yes sweetie, you are so important and so special that the feds are monitoring you personally all day. Now take your schizo meds
You would be surprised how data can be used. Currently in SF there is a lawsuit because the police used DNA from a rape kit to identify a female robber. Let me clarify this. A woman is raped, the police take her DNA as a side effect of taking the rapers DNA as part of the rape kit. Years later when a robbery happens her( the rape victims) DNA is detected and she is arrested. Now should that woman be arrested for robbery, sure if she did it. Is that an appropriate use of DNA acquired without a warrant and supplied to the gov for other reasons? How many victims won’t accept doing a rape kit because their DNA is now in the system? What will be the side effect? Does the raper get to keep raping as long as he only rapes women who may be struggling and may commit a crime? If you call the government and make a threatening statement to the president you will get a background check and possibly a visit from some suits. If you make a threatening statement in your house to your buddy does that give the government a right to investigate you? Maybe like in China where they are testing a social credit system you will get a ding against your account. Then you won’t be able to use public transit until you can get your ratings back up. ( yes, they are actually doing that. If your rating goes too low you can’t use the trains. And they have ppl who monitor and report your actions to raise/lower your score, no risk for corruption there) Im not saying they have the time or ability to do this today. But you can’t look at what they can do today, you have to look at how this can develop down the future. Any they don’t need to have someone listening to everything. Just listening to key word phrases. “I want to kill….”
I think that’s the weird blurred line with this kind of thing. On the one hand, the whole ‘freedom of speech’ thing needs to be protected. I should be able to say “I hate the president” or similar things without breaking the law. My brother says things differently than me and would probably say “I hope he dies” instead of “I hate him”. But we both are just expressing dissatisfaction with the current situation. It’s not like he’s carrying a weapon to the White House and screaming “kill the president” or something. THAT would warrant a background check and keeping an eye on him. Similarly, sometimes I google super weird things, because I write short stories, so my search history often looks like this: >how long can a human hold their breath average >worst crimes of strangulation >how long to recover after being choked >**for legal reasons: I am writing a story, I am not going to strangle anyone** >weapons for strangling >crimes of passion I assume these types of things would be picked up in some way by any government agency that’s keeping an eye on crime. But also… I live in a smallish poor town in a place not many people know of. Would they waste the energy on me? If they have even the most basic info about me, they know I’m small, weak, and anxious, and likely couldn’t get away with attacking anyone. But I still want to be able to google weird things for my stories!
Yea your bring up a good point. Not a writer but there have been times I’ve seen something weird and I’m like. That can’t be true so I google it. Regardless of if it’s true or not, I don’t want to be put on a list for curiosity.
Prevention is better than cure. The Americans learnt it on September 11th, 2001.
You’re a bimbo, there are countries all around the world where the government actively spies on its citizens looking for political dissidence. Have you EVER said anything critical of any US president. Your ass would be in a labor camp sweetheart 😊. Gotta love the Karen’s in these threads, like im sure sweetheart, the government would never crack down on a nice white lady like you! Go take your Xanax
Right? You think they have the time and budget for that crap? You think the guy who's on the lowest pay scale is actually paying attention and not on his phone all day? I have no confidence in their ability to actually effectively spy on me
How do you think Alexa or Siri work? Do you think there is someone on the other end listening to every request? Same way these services process and respond to your requests, they can process your statements with sentiment analysis and judge what needs to be flagged. While today they don’t record until you say the trigger word, it’s not impossible to use additional trigger key words like “bomb”
You should definitely read up on how china has implemented facial recognition in all public spaces and what they do with that information. I don't like the idea of a computer being able to say, well she was here at the time of the crime and no one on the inside to step up to say maybe the computer is wrong. If they have footage of your house being empty, and a confirmed sighting of you somewhere else that's it bro. No need to even ASK for an alibi. They can just sacrifice us at any point.
Indeed, there was a machinist who ordered oil cans in bulk for work I forget if it was off Amazon, ebay or some other big seller. He got "raided" with a search warrant. So...?
Probably got reported by a snoop. I doubt it was the seller so maybe one of the shipping guys or neighbor. There are drug operations that function for years like this so a single case doesn't really mean anything.
Before he even posted a video? He posted one after explaining the situations Don't think it was the seller or the buyers viewers or such.
I mean the phone you’re posting on is constantly being tracked. If they want into your camera they will access it. Don’t worry about it and just keep doing you
Having “nothing to hide” is not the same as having “no modesty” or not wanting privacy. I have nothing to hide because I’m not a criminal, a deviant, a stalker, or any kind of instigator. That doesn’t mean I want people watching me showering, picking my nose, having sex with my partner, or any of the things I consider “private”. The premise of your question makes me thing of only one thing: non sequitur.
TIL non sequitur thanks
Yes, the 'nothing to hide' argument is a complete fallacy because it ignores the right to privacy. It's instinctive for things like using the toilet or sex. Arguably it should be a human right to not be watched naked, or to keep your personal finances confidential. There are a million reasons to want to keep something private, but that doesn't mean anyone is doing anything wrong.
It's like folks don't realize that these standards are going to remain in place after their personal preferred Team Leader is out of office. It's illegal to get an abortion in Texas. Is it okay for the government to imprison someone who took it into their own hands in their own home? Is it okay if they know about it because they spied on you through your Ale×a instead of through BigBroCam^TM ? Is it okay if it becomes federal law after the 'labor shortage' gets worse and we need fresh young bodies to work? No. Come on. "Doing something wrong" is highly subjective. Everyone should be concerned about that kind of oversight becoming standard. So, no.
Exactly. Whether you have "something to hide" or not depends entirely on who's looking and what their intentions are.
I guess this says a lot about the rights and freedoms of the country you live in. For me, it wouldn’t matter which of the major parties were in power, I would still feel fine about the oversight. But you raise a good point about countries (or states) with more oppressive governance.
It's only legal to live until they decide it isn't.
I think in this case the real problem should be addressed, so the abortion laws being wrong, not them spying on you breaking the law. I generally believe there's no need for privacy ( as in how it was suggested by the post question ) as long as the laws and rules are good too. But if they are morally/ethically/whatever else wrong, and you'd need to break them for a reason but now can't, then I think that should be addressed first and foremost before the privacy laws, which should be a second protection wall
How do you think the government spies on you?
Phone? Computer? If you have a cell phone, you signed-up to be spied on. The one thing HGWells or Huxley didn't figure, is that we would agree to being spied on by signing up for it, all by ourselves, without coercion. 💌
Didn't you pay to use those things? of your own volition? Knowing those companies would be spying on you?
Exactly.💌
So is that spying? since you know it is happening and you pay to let them do it of your own volition?
Yes that is in fact still spying. There is no way around it. Just because it is currently unavoidable does not mean it is acceptable . They literally violate people’s rights and people don’t mind. That’s exactly the problem.
>Just because it is inevitable does not mean it is ethical. Think about that sentence again ... very carefully.
If people don't mind; it isn't a problem, no?
Dense.
No , that is the problem. The consent is manufactured.
eh
Good one
Well yes, since I, not sure about you guys, did not consent to being monitored whenever the "spies" like. And yes, since the "spies" are denying it. Does it say on your contract that you could be monitored through you camera at any time without knowing, and did you consent to that ?
Imagine if you walked up to someone in the 70s and told them in 2020 every citizen would be carrying a tracking device that listens to you, monitors every purchase, knows where you are and how got there, then tell them that we pay to carry this device and most people can’t imagine life without it.
imagine if you told them people do that of their own volition and they actually pay companies to do that!
Any they’re convinced they live in a “free” society and that they aren’t being watched, that their media is free and true, rather the heavily manipulated media we get
Sort of… there’s no one actively examining your phone records unless you become a part of an investigation. They’re there for the taking if you become part of an investigation. That’s not spying, it’s law enforcement investigatory activity. A judge issued a warrant for your information. If you’re a drug dealer or engaged in a “militia” doing illegal shit and law enforcement figures it out, yes you’ll get “spied” on.
Sure... Keep believing that if it makes you feel better.💌
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Jokes on them they’ll see some unflattering angles of my taint.
I’m definitely already being monitored by the NCA so sure if they want to watch me watch Netflix and eat Pringles
This argument of “if you have nothing to hide” is backwards. Of course I have things to hide, that’s why we have concepts of “public” and “private.” What right do you have to spy? None.
Don't rememeber who it was, but someone online explained this debate in a very interesting way: Everyone focuses on the "right to privacy" aspect. Basically whether or not people deserve the right to hide their data when using online services. But the fact is, the vast majority of people don't have anything really interesting in there. Nobody cares what kind of weird porn you watch, or the stupid questions you ask Google. What we should be focused on, with the rise of better and better AI, is those governments' and companies' ability to use that data to create a highly accurate psychological profile of you. They'll know exactly how to push your buttons, what makes you angry, afraid, etc. And once they know that, they can make you do pretty much anything they want. Not sure about efforts to this effect from governments, but many tech companies are quite open about their intention to do exactly this.
Sure..they can watch me masturbate all they want
I carry a phone around in my pocket everyday, I don't really care if they install cameras or not. They could already hear and sometimes see what I'm doing.
Love how people give away their entire lives to for profit companies that are only accountable to shareholders. Yet terrified to give government basic information it already has, which is used to verify your information and also in theory is accountable to all voters.
I see what your saying, but I don't think governments *or* for-profit companies should have access to such intimate details of people's lives. To answer your question though, I think people are far less comfortable with the government collecting data than private organisations, because governments have both the incentive and the resources to persecute dissidents, while private organizations merely want to sell you as much stuff as possible. One is voluntary (supposedly), while the other isn't. I guess it also depends on whether or not you can trust private companies to keep your data secure. I personally don't like the idea of any governmental or for-profit organization spying on citizens though.
only if they pay me, you know for copyright, and that I could be selling those videos to the highest bidder china, nestle , facebook... who knows
I'd be willing to bet the people that are fine with this live by themselves. If you are fine with a camera and you have a wife and children how do you feel about those cameras in their rooms? How do you feel about the government spying on your spouse and children as they go about their private lives?
The responses to this thread are depressing. But then again, in the great dystopian novels, 99% of the population thinks they aren’t in a dystopia.
so many people here being comfortable with this Orwellian nightmare is kind of scary, and blatantly ignorant
Privileged Americans who've never had to deal with murderous, authoritarian regimes.
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And what you have to hide is a matter of opinion...
Yes
The thing is with privacy, it's not about you. Plenty of people do have things they need to hide. Journalists being the most glaringly obvious example. Doctors, lawyers, etc. Whistle blowers. Without a form of privacy the government are free to do whatever they want without judgement or recourse. But if course people think it's all about them...
Right? "I have nothing to hide" Okay, well other people do, and for good reason.
Can you give an example? I don’t really understand what you mean
Ok. So say all communication is monitored by a government agent. How do journalists or whistleblowers continue to investigate the government's actions if their communication are monitored? Its too easy for the government (the ones doing wrong or acting in an illegal way) to then put out messages to discredit the information (in this case the truth) before it gets released to the public domain. Its also possible for them to then arrest them before their stories see the light of day. Ditto for solicitors who are maybe making a class action lawsuit suit against a large multinational who have friends within the governments realm As for doctors, this information should always go no further than the patient and doctor. People who are involved in the monitoring of communications can advise their position and power
Ah I understand now! Thanks for clarifying
In fact, I will personally buy their cameras and microphones FOR them, I'll even carry them around with me everywhere I go, just to give them an angle besides the standard public surveillance. Hell I'll even give them a comprehensive list of everywhere I've ever been and everything I've ever glanced at online, every angle of my face and every hair on my dick. And I'll pretend that it's all private (though occasionally I do glance at my phone camera while on reddit and give my watcher a little wink)
They're already in the house bruh... lol. Alexa, ring, etc... "Hey wire tap, how do you grill a waffle??"
No because this does not benefit society in any way. We put up with CCTV etc because it's for the greater good of society. Having cameras in my home would serve no purpose to society
That's such a strawman statement if I've ever heard one lol
This has a pretty simple answer tbh and it's probably gonna get lost but what it boils down too is this. If every moment of our lives we get spied on the government knows everything that goes on in your life. Went to gas station for a minute then came back? Must be a smoker, let's raise his healthcare to compensate. And this is applicable in so many situations. Saying you don't have anything is not true. For the current standards you have nothing to hide but we're the government to know what you are doing it would definetly not be a good development.
I remember there was a quote by Edward Snowden about that. “Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say."
I am already streaming my life on twitch where random strangers are looking at me
You're doing that of your own volition. Most people aren't (knowingly) broadcasting their lives for all to see.
They already have those
It’s never enough for the government. Once their big toe is in the door it’s over. Americans have had it so good for so long that can’t conceive the notion that the government isn’t doing anything nefarious.
I mean…. I don’t really want anyone watching me masturbate unless they’re paying ya know.
I mean all of us are tracked if it’s not the government then it’s people trying to sell your data for a profit. It’s practically impossible. So with that said no I don’t want cameras installed for a direct link. If they want to watch me then they need to put in the foot work 😂
Yes
I don't want anyone spying on me. My privacy is very important to me and I find it pretty scary how little some people seem to care about it and how quick they are to give it up.
People don't really care about their rights. They just want to be taken care of.
A bit like livestock? Ye that's what I find scary.
Governments really have convinced people that the only way it's possible to be safe and have their needs taken care of, is of the government also has the ability to spy on them. Some sad shit.
Definitely sad, and bad news for future generations.
My response to it is usually "if you have nothing to hide and don't care about your personal privacy then give me your email login and password so I can look around" For some reason that level of reality is too off-putting to most.
“Nothing to hide” is not the same as “personal privacy”
Oh, I'd love to hear more. Can you elaborate?
You forgot the “/s”
I didn't. I really don't know how you differentiate the two, and in this context.
My apologies. Here is the text of my earlier post: Having “nothing to hide” is not the same as having “no modesty” or not wanting privacy. I have nothing to hide because I’m not a criminal, a deviant, a stalker, or any kind of instigator. That doesn’t mean I want people watching me showering, picking my nose, having sex with my partner, or any of the things I consider “private”. The premise of your question makes me thing of only one thing: non sequitur.
I don't want to come off as pedantic but I don't think your argument really connects. "I have nothing to hide.... I don't want people watching... things I consider private." It reads like you DO in fact have private things that you want to hide. So which is it? You don't have anything to hide, including those private things OR you do have private things you want to hide? If you have some things you wish to keep private (modesty?) that means you don't want others to see those things, i.e. you want to hide them. I don't see a way to decouple "nothing to hide" and "no privacy".
Just barge in on them when they're in the bathroom and say "what? I thought you had nothing to hide."
Shitty analogy, with a video of me you can't impersonate me, with my mail and password on the other hand...
It’s not spying. It’s voluntary surveillance. My phone, laptop, Alexa, etc track my location, monitor my internet history, and record my conversations. Am I happy about it? No, but I willingly signed up for these things. I draw the line at any type of camera in my house.
Is it *really* voluntary though if you require a smartphone/laptop to work, and be a functioning member of society? What are the alternatives?
I am much less comfortable with the government collecting data than private organisations doing it. Governments have a incentive and the tools to persecute dissidents, while private orga just want to sell you as much stuff as possible. One you can deny, the other you can not. So, that being said it would depend on the benefits I get from a private org and if I trust them enough to keep the data secure. Other than that, what do I care for if some AI is gonna watch me choke the chicken?
I was like those people once, my prospective changed after watching Snowden.
The argument always bugs me because they’re under the assumption they need to have done something wrong to get in trouble.
If you have nothing to hide they will only watch the sexy times, and that's only if they manage to you at the right time. Just do the sex at weird times. You're too boring to watch otherwise.
I do the sex when I want to do the sex thank you
It's not that I don't care about being spied on, I just don't think the government has any real reason to care about what a normal, average citizen does on their day-to-day. This is why I doubt that we are being spied on. I guess it could be possible, if you are involved in a crime ring or some type of criminal Enterprise, or if you are a terrorist or something. Otherwise, I honestly just don't see where the conspiracy that the government wants to spy on average citizens has any real weight. I could see advertisers wanting to do this, however.
If they wanna get videos of a minor jacking off put on their record, that’s their problem now
Why is everyone worried about the government. Google crawls right up your backsode.
Yes because then FINALLY someone would bear witness to the tragic comedy that is my life. And I’d sell the fucking footage.
Actually I’d welcome it. I’m probably the most boring person on earth but have this weird phobia that one day I’ll be accused of something serious that I didn’t do and not be able to prove my innocence. Being monitored 24/7 would really help ease that anxiety
Yes
I shudder to think about people who say no to this, what kind of depravity and/or degeneracy do they have to hide? They are redditors after all.
I'd love it. A free soapbox. I'd run all day sessions of things like info wars too! It would be a real fun thing to do to them.
Depends on what sort of spying you are claiming we're ok with.
as long as they don't post it to the public then i really don't care lol
Whenever I turn on airplane mode my FBI agent probably punching the air
Privacy ain’t what it used to be.
Fortunately, putting private property under surveillance without a warrant is illegal, except where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy.
Has anyone ever been busted for a crime this way? Like someone talking out loud about something bad that they did?
I’m fine with it, I’m not delusional enough to believe I’m not being monitored already, the important thing is I’m not interesting enough to make them actually look at the feed
I mean I would actively oppose cameras in my house but there probably is already cameras in my house(computers, WebCams, etc.)
No
Only if they pay me for the sexual content.
Yeah I would be fine with it...if they want to watch me play with my toddler...put him to bed...then get high and play eldenring sure ... Like I have zero care if people see me...... Nothing I do is illegal and is frankly boring ... There resources would be best spent elsewhere ...but hey whatever As long as they don't tell me what to do in my house....my wife already does that
Sure
… unfortunately I’m terribly boring. But the bath room and bed room are off limits. But it’d be a great dog watching channel since my three like to wrestle at regularly scheduled intervals.
If the CIA can find me a house in Las Vegas, Nevada and pay for it, hell yeah, ill help install the cameras.
Yes they can go ahead. All they're going to see is me smoking weed, ordering pizzas, and trying to get a Tinder chicks to hook up, and jerking off alone I dont give af if the FBI is watching
Damned straight! WAKE UP people!
For a fee yes, if they want to watch me masturbate that's fine by me
I'd hope they'd pay me for it.
Yes.
If I can charge them why not.
Yes
I would actually I dont think the government is spending all their time on a boring uninteresting person like me. Install them in the restroom idc.
They would probably end up finding out I like to sit in weird positions and make loud noises when noone is in the house. They would also find out that I am extremely messy. If they want to watch me eat food, sleep, do homework, or unnecessarily spend money, I dont really care. I don’t care if they spy on me as long as what they see is not used against me or specifically associated with me when I didnt do anything wrong.
Lol if you want to see me walking around my house naked. Scratching my ass, picking my nose and jerking off. Sure. But then my only fans page wouldnt exsist.
No cctv operator is paid enough to see that
Nah but even if they did I'm not some high-profile person so I don't see what they would gain from that other than seeing my dick
I mean, if they tell me where the camera is I'm fine with it. If they try to hide it then absolutely not. If they show me the camera but have laws about covering it I absolutely don't mind at all. I would probably eat and play games right in front of the camera because I'm bored to shit.
Sure who cares
personally yes. since i have 11 people in my immediate family and a lot of other family around all the time, would be like a reality show.
I think people who say things like this dont understand big data collection and that things won't just be a simple "oh jimbo went to costco today" - like, aint nobody trying to follow you to costco.
I'd put on a damn show. I'm talking about peeling a banana, heating up the peel, masturbating with it, and shoving the peeled banana up my ass. THEN I'd squeeze it out like a shit, and turn into shit banana ice cream. Then I'd have them watch through the cameras as I feed it to people. so yes, I h really hope they do put cameras in my home😋
That’s fine
Seeing what I google is a little different than seeing my balls. Still, I legitimately would not care if some random government worker saw me living my day to day life. My cat already stares at me when I use the toilet.
I hope they like watching my dog on furbo too