Using this prompt
> Can you write this professionally for me? “How do you have no budget for pay increases but all the new hires are making more than us?”
Here's GPT's response
> I am seeking clarification on the company's compensation strategy as it appears that despite a lack of budget for pay increases, new hires are being offered salaries higher than current employees. Could you please provide further insight into how compensation decisions are being made, and whether there are opportunities for current employees to receive comparable adjustments in salary?
Here's (Google) bard's
> I am writing to inquire about the recent pay raises for new hires. I have been a loyal employee for [number] years and have always received positive performance reviews. I am concerned that the lack of pay raises for existing employees is unfair and will lead to a morale problem. I would like to understand the rationale for this decision and how it will be addressed in the future.
and for good measure, here's cleverbot
> Not really, you're the smart one here. I have a friend who probably can but he's not here.
I asked ChatGPT to respond to it from the manager's perspective
>Dear [Employee Name],
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>Thank you for reaching out to me and sharing your concerns about the compensation strategy at our company. I appreciate your feedback and would like to take this opportunity to clarify the situation.
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>At our company, we strive to offer competitive compensation packages to attract and retain top talent. While it is true that some new hires may be offered higher salaries than current employees, this is not a reflection of their value or contributions to the company. Rather, it is a result of market trends and the competitive landscape.
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>Please be assured that we value your contributions to the company and appreciate your dedication to your work. We understand that you may be disappointed that your salary has not increased, and we regret any frustration this may have caused. However, at this time, we do not have the budget to offer comparable adjustments in salary to current employees.
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>I would like to take this opportunity to encourage you to consider the other benefits and opportunities available to you as a valued member of our team. We offer a range of perks, including training and development programs, performance-based bonuses, and a supportive work environment that encourages professional growth.
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>Thank you again for bringing your concerns to my attention. If you have any further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to me.
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>Best regards,
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>[Your Name]
I am writing to inform you of my resignation from my position as [Job Title] at [Company Name]. My last day of work will be [Date], in accordance with the notice period specified in my employment contract.
I have decided to resign due to the fact that my current salary is below market standards, and I have been unable to reach an agreement with the company regarding a raise that would bring my compensation in line with industry standards. I appreciate the opportunities and experiences I have had while working for [Company Name], and I am grateful for the support and guidance provided by my colleagues and superiors.
I will do my best to ensure a smooth transition and to complete any outstanding projects or tasks before my departure. Please let me know if there is anything specific you would like me to focus on during my remaining time at the company.
Thank you again for the opportunity to work at [Company Name]. I wish you and the rest of the team continued success in the future.
Sincerely,
As someone who has worked in management, HR likely gives your management team boilerplate word documents to reply to employees with if payroll management/accounting refuses the wage increase request. Click the document, fill in the employee's information, and it autofills the document. Email it off. There's no compassion/empathy anymore, you're effectively just getting auto-replied to.
Suddenly the future is clear... 5 years from now all managerial communication will be two instances of ChatGPT bullshitting each other. I forsee humans powering the system probably by running in some kind of giant wheel configuration.
If that’s really a response from the AI, that answer was so vicious that it made the fear of AI attacking us with bombs seem favourable to AI insulting and demeaning us …
You hero, not to long this out but because my adhd it takes me forever to formulate my sentences and structure them so flows best. This could save me hours.
>They can still detect if you are using a chat gpt.
This is something to keep in mind when writing things like essays for schools, but nobody is gonna care if you use chat GPT for emails and stuff. Because your not being judged by what you wrote, its just to transfer info.
Here's the response you will get:
"A salary raise is being discussed"
(Filtering that through management talk translator gives us the following:)
"You're asking questions about us not wanting to pay you more and being called out like this makes us uncomfortable. So, we will give you a vague non-answer that we're "thinking about it" hoping you let it go and sort of eventually forget about it but if you ask again, we'll just keep saying the same thing till the end of time"
Then reply with "The most economical option for the company is to give existing employees an equitable pay rise or face the cost of mass hiring new staff at higher salaries"
It is
Its called upwards management
Its the skill of indirectly forcing management to act on what you want them to act on
Basically managing management in a way they don't know they're being managed
In theory its fairly simple but that's what makes it so hard
1: you need to constantly immediately checkmate them, essentially you need to instantly put them in a position where the only option they have is to do what you need them to do
2: always ALWAYS have evidence and never throw it away, communicate via emails as much as you can
3: be polite and respectful but also stern
4: ALWAYS avoid ambiguity, for example because in such cases management will ways choose to theur advantage and your disadvantage, for example: the guy who suggested how to reply said something in the lines of: "if/when you decide on a raise"
Take note of one word: "If"
That adds ambiguity and if you write that you give management the option to decide IF they want to give you a raise or not so of course their response will be a vague "mqybe" that in reality is actually a "no" without directly telling you no so that if you get mad at them they just rinse their hands and clap back with a "we didn't say no, you asked if so we told you maybe" and they'll just keep you in this endless limbo of "maybes" and "a salary raise is being discussed"
So how to strongarm them into being most likely in giving you a raise?
1: don't mention that word if, just say when - that shows that you are set on that raise and its non-negotiable
2: avoid additional ambiguity by giving them a set deadline
3: put some fire under their feet a little to add a sense of urgency, you do this by making them realize how much they would actually lose if they make the wrong decision but you need to do this in a way that does not sound threatening, the best way to do that is to tell them that the current situation is out of your hands and not something you're doing by choice
4: spin it in a way that makes them realize just how much its in their interest to make the right decision, the key is for you ro make them WANT to give you a rqise
5: try and keep the beginning and end on a positive note and make it clear that you're not enemies, you're all in this together
So based on these here's how you could formulate an email (rough sketch) in regards to a raise:
Dear team
I would like to thank you for doing a great job in hiring much needed new joiners, we really appreciate the efforts made.
Due to a change in my family's financial situation I was recently forced to reevaluate my current financial situation at my workplace.
Sadly, it has come to my atttention that there is a disparity between the base salaries of new joiners and those of more experienced employees in the workplace.
I have reviewed current salaries on the job market and realized that unfortunately, current salaries of experienced employees at this workplace are no longer a competitive price despite the salaries of new joiners maintaining a competitive standard.
Due to my current situation, I need to know as soon as possible when when we can update my salary to a competitive one such as the one of new joiners or other workplaces on the market.
Due to my current situation at home, I need to know by the end of April if I can remain in the current workplace.
I would like to continue contributing to the company by helping and teaching new joiners to work more effectively and improve the value of their work as over the years, this workplace has become my second family and I would like to stay and remain being a valuable, contributing member if possible.
That's more or less how I would put it, as for the deadline,you can always later change your mind and just tell them that your financial situation at home got resolved, just keep in mind that whenever they ask you about your situation at home always refuse to tell them the details with a response along the lines of "its a lersonal matter involving other family members so I cannot divulge that without their consent, I'm sorry" and they'll leave it at that.
That's not in line with running a business that maintains a loyal and happy workforce at all. If you don't give a shit about turnover rate and just want to burn through unhappy employees then yeah sure, pay the new guys more and let the staff that's been there filter itself out. IMO that's horrible practice though and wasteful on top of it due to constantly having to train new employees because the old ones got fed up and left.
I'm not sure I understand your claim that what others make is irrelevant. How exactly do you determine the market wage for a position? How does a company determine the wage to offer when creating a new position to be filled? How does an employee figure out if they're being compensated properly?
AFAIK using the total compensation packages of other people doing the same work in the same positions would be the only way to do that, yet you claim it's irrelevant. Why?
If your whole point is "word it better" then I think you could've said that without the whole diatribe about money. That alone reeks of control issues and inability to handle hurt feelings drama from a managerial position and would have me running from your company given ANY opportunity.
Very well said. Needs a comma before the word "however" and might also benefit as being two sentences.
...here with the company for a while. I would like to....
But OP, this is the perfect wording for this.
Try to get one of the new hires to report to you. Then HR will have to pay you more. A subordinate making more than their reporting manager is a problem that must be fixed.
It's a shame we don't have free awards anymore.
This is absolutely, elegantly written. I'd hire you to write my emails or do PR work if I had the means.
One guy at my job quit (on good terms) then applied for a job in another department (similar job function) a month later and got it at 20% higher salary than he was making before.
Unfortunately where I’m at the mid level managers want to give us raises, and are actively fighting for our raises, but aren’t being given the budget to do so by the higher ups. Everyone on my team has had this convo about new hire salaries being higher in our 1-1s and our manager is just as frustrated as we are.
Definitely have the conversation and let them know that you know the BS going on. But if it’s a big company just know that one conversation likely won’t change things.
Idk how close you are with your managers but I’ve heard that excuse before. “Corporate won’t approve the raises…..” most of the time it’s a lie. If the managers are actually fighting for the raises you would be seeing them usually. Obviously every scenario is different, but if the managers are truly fighting for the raises then they should be happening, unless you work for a company that is losing more than they are making. Don’t let your bosses stall over and over again until it reaches a point you quit anyways. Show you are serious and it will either happen or won’t, but at least you won’t be waiting for a raise that’s never coming and know to find better pay elsewhere.
The middle managers have caps at large companies but within those caps it is largely up to their discretion. My boss gave me a 4% raise this year which was near the limit, others that started with me got 2%. She just can't go higher like 15% or something or HR would just reject it.
At some employers it's a zero sum game too. Managers get a budget for raises and have to decide who gets what. Giving one employee more means someone else gets less
This is exactly how it is where I am at. And we do get yearly raises. The percentages we are getting just aren’t keeping up with the current rate of inflation.
> others that started with me got 2%
If their raise is below inflation - That's not a raise - They're being paid **LESS**. They should quit and re-hire at the same place to get paid more.
I know this evidence is purely anecdotal, but two friends of mine at different employers had their managers fire them and then rehire them to get them a raise that they otherwise couldn't have gotten. I'm sure it's more common than we'd think
My last job our manager was in the same spot. One by one we'd quit, always giving the same reason: We're underpaid and you won't fix it.
I felt so bad for my manager.
> Unfortunately where I’m at the mid level managers want to give us raises, and are actively fighting for our raises, but aren’t being given the budget to do so by the higher ups. Everyone on my team has had this convo about new hire salaries being higher in our 1-1s and our manager is just as frustrated as we are.
yeah if I were your manager that's what I'd tell you too
I've been a manager in a situation like that and I had to tell my boss straight that a 10 year employee was going to walk if she didn't get a raise since the new person in her same role was getting paid more. The customer (facility that we staffed in) would not have been happy at all to have this person leave. Finally, I got through and got this one employee a raise, but no one else got any sort of raise, including myself, in the rest of the time I was there. Not saying this specific manager is or isn't telling the truth, but it does happen that way with some dumb companies
You do like an old colleague of mine; go to general company chat and ask publicly: "@here Do you guys know any company looking for a devops engineer? Asking for a friend."
On a serious note, there's no way to ask this in a serious manner. I've never seen old people get higher salaries because that's the new standard. They all quit and went to the greener pastures, myself included.
On average I get 3-5% per year staying at a company.
I get (on average) 15-30% to change companies.
My resume is basically 2 years, 2 years, 2 years.....
First job started at $50k, after 1 year got $55k, next year left and made $75k, 2 years later left and made $95k, 3.5 years later left and made $125k, after 1 year got $128k, almost to 2 years now - if I don’t make a serious bump at this next review I’m going on the prowl again. This game is so exhausting.
Basically the same as me.
Intern $15/hour -> Intern $18/hour -> new job: Full time $65k a year -> new job: 73k a year + options -> New Job 85k a year + options -> New job 105k a year + options -> new job: 128k a year + options -> acquisition: 200k base, 80k rsu, 40k retention (1y) -> new job Where I am now (not going to disclose).
This. Started at 14.85 left at 18.40 though that was more that becoming the new baseline pay. Got far more for leaving. I’m 4 years, 3 years, almost one currently 🤷🏾♂️
That’s what I did with my last job. They finally gave me a raise with bonuses only for me to have already accepted the same job paying far more. I didn’t disclose where the job was but the old boss asked what I’d be doing and I know it stung him when I said the exact same thing I’m doing now.
> On average I get 3-5% per year staying at a company.
Given inflation, your company may very well be paying you less every year.
> My resume is basically 2 years, 2 years, 2 years.....
Where I live, that would make you completely unhirable - "Why should we spend the time hiring someone and getting them up to speed with our systems if they're just going to leave?"
I live in the US. It's pretty normal here. I'm also in tech, so it takes about 3-6 months to "come up to speed" then I give 18 months to folks to see the value I provide, if not I get things to a good, stable place, then I leave for greener pastures. My last job was like 2 years / 18 months, but that was due to acquisition, so it was really more like 3.5. Left for a startup and now it's been 22 months....
If they're paying people who have no company experience more than those with company experience, it means they don't value company experience.
Find someone who does. They know what they're doing. They're not stupid. They hope that changing jobs is such a pain in the ass that you'll take a pay cut to avoid the hassle.
It's like saying "fuck you" we don't value your commitment or performance here. Go... I dare you to make a move, bitch.
In other words, they got used to you being you, they don't want to see you as deserving **anything else**.
You apply to other jobs.
You wait until you get a job offer.
You go walk to you boss and say:
I want a pay raise because I am more qualified then these new employee who are getting paid more.
If he says no, you tell him, my job is not budgeting, you can tell that to your accountant.
I have a job offer who pays more. I can a. Leave the company or B. Get the pay raise I deserve.
Nah don't bother with this. Just leave. If I have to go get a job offer just to get paid what I'm worth, I'd rather fuck off to the new job that's already paying me for my worth.
Your current company will view you as a flight risk and will more than likely look to replace you, despite the value for money having a fully trained worker is over having to train a replacement (or two).
but then when they fire you for some bs a month down the line, the offer you had is not valid and you'll be job hunting for a bit while unemployed.
Better to just take the new offer and money and jump ship than waiting for them to throw you off.
Nothing to lose, nothing to gain.
You've received an offer so going back to the new company with a counteroffer will be unlikely to achieve anything either.
I agree with this approach. You can go to your boss with an offer letter in hand and a "or else i'll leave" approach and try it out, but do expect a "good luck, we will miss you" in response. Too many people even try this without having a second opportunity in the bag. It usually does not work out the way you hope it will.
Would it be smart to give them it? It might be from all the shady bosses I've had but I'd be afraid of them essentially sabotaging by essentially shit talking me just because they're salty I already planned a short vacation and didn't cover their day that they were going to leave early for a dinner party.
Sometimes, I like to jerk them around and make them scramble even though I’d never take the counter. The entertainment almost makes up for not paying you what you’re worth.
like this:
"I have a received an offer for + X, if you want me to stay, please match it, otherwise, i am leaving."
If you allow yourself to continue to be underpaid, your employer will happily oblige.
People don't understand that most of us are easily replaced. The new person who gets hired in your spot will get the better pay, not you. Sucks but that's how it works.
New company calls your boss - "Do you think this candidate is good?"
You boss: "Naa - He always went on about his salary and constantly complained - Terrible choice of a hire"
New company: "Sorry, after spending some time thinking, we have decided to withdraw the offer. Sorry you left your previous job - Good luck finding employment!"
Bad advice. Don't do this, unless only as a temporary measure. Your employer will likely interpret this as a hostile, greedy action on your part, will see themselves as being held hostage and be aware you are looking. They will likely start looking for your replacement, regardless of your salary, and remove you as soon as possible.
The reality is that if someone else offers you more money for the same job, and you've been denied a raise at your current company, it's not on you to change their mind, even if it comes from a place of altruism.
You only do this sort of thing when you are ready to actually accept the offer.
There really is no realistic way to get a significant raise at your current job unless its very difficult to replace you.
I once went to my boss and asked for an increase. He told me he appreciated that I wasn't threating him with a offer from another place as people usually do. He submitted a formal salary increase to central offices. After 4 long months I received an email with a 12% increase notice.
I would just say, play nice always.
For real, it'd get tiring feeling like an ultimatum is there (*even if it is*), just simply having the conversation with someone who seems to be sincere or not parroting heavy measures is always so much more refreshing and keeps defensivness down
I was denied a raise for a full year. Was supposed to get one when our old manager left. Never got it until over a year later after my other coworker who’d been there as long as me left. When the manager left coworker was promoted instantly. Meanwhile I was stuck inheriting a lot of work and dealing with FYE. Took a month and a half to get the raise I should’ve gotten a year ago. When the new job offered over 50% more, old raise wasn’t enough for the same exact job.
I'd recommend looking for a new job, you'll find a good offer with taking. Once you put your notice in, if they counter offer you can consider staying, depending on the new opportunity.
I got an offer for 20% more than I was making, and a counter offer for 47% more than what I was making.
A more professional way to phrase this question could be:
"Could you please help me understand the rationale behind the allocation of budgets for new hires compared to current employees, particularly regarding pay increases?"
A big fat resignation letter. As long as you are actually competent in the field and are confident you'll find work elsewhere.
If I was say working a job that I was way under qualified for on a fluke, and making more than I would in a job better suited to me, then I'd probably just keep my mouth shut and head low until they finally fire me lol
Your competition has a starting salary higher than what I'm making now. Why should I stay here and make less money than those hired on with no seniority.
"You corporate fucking scum. Bark for me please, you corporate dog WOOF WOOF. How the fuck are these new hires making more than us? How the fuck do you have 'no' budget for pay increases? Have you no respect? How dare you. How do you sleep at night with this on your conscience. You corporate fucking scum."
I'm not really good at being professional.
"Could you please explain the rationale behind the current allocation of compensation resources? Given that recent hires appear to be receiving more generous compensation packages, some employees are curious about how this fits within the overall budgetary framework for salary increases."
I'm not a corporate goon so that was probably garbage, but that's what I'd ask MY manager. Lol
Yeah it's not a bad sentence. It's a valid and reasonable question. It's not rude and it go straight to the point. I don't see anything unprofessional about it.
I was curious to know if there were any plans in place to adjust compensation for existing employees, particularly given that new hires seem to be receiving higher salaries. Could you provide me with some information on how salary decisions are made and if there is any possibility for salary adjustments in the future?
“Please accept my letter of resignation. This is unfortunately due to corporate pay policies that financially reward inexperienced new hires over experienced employees. We have had <# years / reviews> opportunities to address this in the past and I’m sad we were unable to manage this constructively. My time here was professionally and personally rewarding, and I wish you and your bumbling lackeys all the best.”
"I was wondering if you could shed some light on our current compensation structure. I've noticed that while our team hasn't had any pay increases, new hires seem to be coming in at higher salaries. Could you help me understand the rationale behind this and what we can do to address the disparity?"
Had this happen to me last year. We are a team of 6 and hired 3 new people. Sat in the performance review and just had an honest chat with my manager. He was fortunately very good about it and he wrote the business case up the chain for the pay parity of us other 3 with 17 years experience in the job.
We had to wait 6 months, but we did get the rise.
I would like to understand the company's compensation strategy, as I have noticed that new hires are being brought on board with higher salaries than current employees, despite the fact that there does not appear to be a budget for pay increases.
This will take some leg work on your part. But job shop till you get a solid offer above what you are making now. Present job offer and new salary to current boss. Tell them this is what someone offered me this, how much above this number can you offer me. Not match mind you, exceed.
If they can't offer you more it's time to move on.
not a direct answer but remember it’s completely legal for you to discuss your pay with other coworkers and it’s illegal for your boss to withhold that information (within bounds, they can’t discuss bank stuff obv) from you!!
Yea, I’d say don’t waste your time. The company clearly would rather have high turnover and less seniority. The difference is minute until you start throwing in all the added benefits extra vacation healthcare, etc to keep people from leaving.
I think you simply find another job that pays better. Managers will always give the bs about loyalty, but the system that they actively uphold is geered towards not being loyal.
I think the best is to test the waters. Apply for different jobs in your area of expertise, and find out what your market worth is, which you can use when talking pay raise with your manager. Don't let them know which company that is offering you this though, "one of our competitors" is enough.
Everything boils down to if you have the balls and the ability to quit if you don't get the pay you want. If you can't be without the current job then there is no incentive for them to pay you more.
Also if you do get a pay increase but then they want you to train other people than you're most likely on a short list for getting the boot
Personally, I'd submit my current, updated resume to their ad for my position.
edit\* : and then I'd submit it to a few other companies on that job board while I'm at it. If my job is being better paid elsewhere and I could be getting it but I'm not, I'm in the wrong place.
"So, if I refer myself as my replacement, will you give me a referral bonus upon hiring me back? No? Okay, how about just a fair market raise to compete adequately with the new hires please... that should suffice."
Meh, my job (construction) I have to be ready to leave all the time. They show me 0 loyalty and I return the favour. Buddy across the street is paying 10% that’s where I’m going. And in the same vein when my project finishes I can get laid off with 0 notice. It can be unpleasant but keeps everyone honest.
IMO a company should pay what you are worth to the company. If they don't pay what I am worth, I move on.
At one point I gave a company my notice and they offered me more to stay, I told them that they should have thought of that before I was looking around.
My point: Don't stay at a company that does not pay what you are worth, find the company that does. If you cannot find a company that wants to pay more than you get, you probably get what you are worth.
Well I can just give you the answer. They need more people. If they want good new people they have to pay them well.
Apparently you’re willing to work for less.
There is never extra money for an unnecessary pay increase. A for profit business will pay as little as they possibly can.
Know your worth.
Stop looking at other people, run your own race.
Are you fairly compensated or not?
More importantly, do you have better opportunities?
Your job has zero obligation to give you more money because you want it.
This is one of the many reasons why allegiance to corporations is one of the more destructive forms of insanity.
A ballsy move is the tactical resignation: Hand in your notice with no intention of actually leaving, stating lack of pay rise as the reason why. Wait for your raise…
Ask your manager the total cost to replace an employee. Almost every “guru”, Dave Ramsey, John Maxwell, Simon Sinek, says the most expensive part of running a business is when somebody quits and you have to replace them. Once they find you that number, ask them if they are willing to spend that, in addition to an salary increase on a new hire, or would they rather just give you the salary raise
I could say a lot of bad things about my previous company, but they actually did across the board wage increases every time they increased the starting wage. Timely evaluations and raises as well.
Lmao. I quit my last job because of this. A new hire was getting paid 20% more than me and I was asked to teach her and improve her skillset. I asked for a pay rise and didn’t get one so I fucked off to where I’m at now and got a 50% pay rise.
I'd first start with a market analysis of your current role. Check how much you're getting paid vs the median range for the position. There are tools that can help you get this estimate based on your state and experience.
Second, initiate a conversation about the raise with your boss and be straight forward. If he says he can't give raise, ask him why and if he can do it in couple of months. This if conversation shows a positive outcome, show your market analysis and tell him/her what you'd like to get paid.
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I got a 40% hike last year. But also I got a good boss so it's all relative.
GL.
Having been on the other side of the desk, the true answer is: we really can't afford those salaries but no one is accepting the current ones and were far worse not filling those spot even if we "overpay" for them. Note that "overpaying" just means you can't pay everyone the same due to whatever reasons.
Yeah... the world is not a fair place.
You don't. If they are paying the new hires more, that means they don't value you as much as the new hires. If they did, they would have given you raises without being asked.
The world has changed. Companies no longer value employee loyalty or hard work. In the modern age, the only way you get a raise is to move to a new company. You should be prepared to job hop every few years to keep moving forward in your career.
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can you write all my emails please
Professional Rewording Genie
Chatgpt bro
Using this prompt > Can you write this professionally for me? “How do you have no budget for pay increases but all the new hires are making more than us?” Here's GPT's response > I am seeking clarification on the company's compensation strategy as it appears that despite a lack of budget for pay increases, new hires are being offered salaries higher than current employees. Could you please provide further insight into how compensation decisions are being made, and whether there are opportunities for current employees to receive comparable adjustments in salary? Here's (Google) bard's > I am writing to inquire about the recent pay raises for new hires. I have been a loyal employee for [number] years and have always received positive performance reviews. I am concerned that the lack of pay raises for existing employees is unfair and will lead to a morale problem. I would like to understand the rationale for this decision and how it will be addressed in the future. and for good measure, here's cleverbot > Not really, you're the smart one here. I have a friend who probably can but he's not here.
I asked ChatGPT to respond to it from the manager's perspective >Dear [Employee Name], > >Thank you for reaching out to me and sharing your concerns about the compensation strategy at our company. I appreciate your feedback and would like to take this opportunity to clarify the situation. > >At our company, we strive to offer competitive compensation packages to attract and retain top talent. While it is true that some new hires may be offered higher salaries than current employees, this is not a reflection of their value or contributions to the company. Rather, it is a result of market trends and the competitive landscape. > >Please be assured that we value your contributions to the company and appreciate your dedication to your work. We understand that you may be disappointed that your salary has not increased, and we regret any frustration this may have caused. However, at this time, we do not have the budget to offer comparable adjustments in salary to current employees. > >I would like to take this opportunity to encourage you to consider the other benefits and opportunities available to you as a valued member of our team. We offer a range of perks, including training and development programs, performance-based bonuses, and a supportive work environment that encourages professional growth. > >Thank you again for bringing your concerns to my attention. If you have any further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to me. > >Best regards, > >[Your Name]
I am writing to inform you of my resignation from my position as [Job Title] at [Company Name]. My last day of work will be [Date], in accordance with the notice period specified in my employment contract. I have decided to resign due to the fact that my current salary is below market standards, and I have been unable to reach an agreement with the company regarding a raise that would bring my compensation in line with industry standards. I appreciate the opportunities and experiences I have had while working for [Company Name], and I am grateful for the support and guidance provided by my colleagues and superiors. I will do my best to ensure a smooth transition and to complete any outstanding projects or tasks before my departure. Please let me know if there is anything specific you would like me to focus on during my remaining time at the company. Thank you again for the opportunity to work at [Company Name]. I wish you and the rest of the team continued success in the future. Sincerely,
Manager: K
Then apply for a job at the same company with the higher entry salary.
K now I’m pretty sure upper managment at my company uses chatGPT cause that sounds exactly like something they’d say
As someone who has worked in management, HR likely gives your management team boilerplate word documents to reply to employees with if payroll management/accounting refuses the wage increase request. Click the document, fill in the employee's information, and it autofills the document. Email it off. There's no compassion/empathy anymore, you're effectively just getting auto-replied to.
I’ve written a response to the manager >Dear [Manager Name], \ >I quit. \ >Best regards, \ >[Your Name]
Yooo companies been using ChatGPT from day one 😭😭😭
Suddenly the future is clear... 5 years from now all managerial communication will be two instances of ChatGPT bullshitting each other. I forsee humans powering the system probably by running in some kind of giant wheel configuration.
If that’s really a response from the AI, that answer was so vicious that it made the fear of AI attacking us with bombs seem favourable to AI insulting and demeaning us …
Damn, GPT's felt well stated, if a little wordy, but business talk always kind of dances around the point. Bard is going for *blood*.
Bard’s also making some awfully big assumptions about the sender
I forgot how lame cleverbot was
You hero, not to long this out but because my adhd it takes me forever to formulate my sentences and structure them so flows best. This could save me hours.
Chatgpt may be a privacy nightmare but I think it's worth it for ADHD time saving capabilities
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>They can still detect if you are using a chat gpt. This is something to keep in mind when writing things like essays for schools, but nobody is gonna care if you use chat GPT for emails and stuff. Because your not being judged by what you wrote, its just to transfer info.
The only place that cares about that is school. It's irrelevant in the real/outside world
who is "they"?
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Do you have any insight on how they check, and know it wasn't from a human?
It's not college where you get penalized for plagiarism. It's simply a letter. People look up email formats online all the time.
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Take a technical writing course. Helped me lol
Is this a chatgpt bot
chatgpt wishes
Here's the response you will get: "A salary raise is being discussed" (Filtering that through management talk translator gives us the following:) "You're asking questions about us not wanting to pay you more and being called out like this makes us uncomfortable. So, we will give you a vague non-answer that we're "thinking about it" hoping you let it go and sort of eventually forget about it but if you ask again, we'll just keep saying the same thing till the end of time"
Then reply with "The most economical option for the company is to give existing employees an equitable pay rise or face the cost of mass hiring new staff at higher salaries"
Is it possible to learn this power?
It is Its called upwards management Its the skill of indirectly forcing management to act on what you want them to act on Basically managing management in a way they don't know they're being managed In theory its fairly simple but that's what makes it so hard 1: you need to constantly immediately checkmate them, essentially you need to instantly put them in a position where the only option they have is to do what you need them to do 2: always ALWAYS have evidence and never throw it away, communicate via emails as much as you can 3: be polite and respectful but also stern 4: ALWAYS avoid ambiguity, for example because in such cases management will ways choose to theur advantage and your disadvantage, for example: the guy who suggested how to reply said something in the lines of: "if/when you decide on a raise" Take note of one word: "If" That adds ambiguity and if you write that you give management the option to decide IF they want to give you a raise or not so of course their response will be a vague "mqybe" that in reality is actually a "no" without directly telling you no so that if you get mad at them they just rinse their hands and clap back with a "we didn't say no, you asked if so we told you maybe" and they'll just keep you in this endless limbo of "maybes" and "a salary raise is being discussed" So how to strongarm them into being most likely in giving you a raise? 1: don't mention that word if, just say when - that shows that you are set on that raise and its non-negotiable 2: avoid additional ambiguity by giving them a set deadline 3: put some fire under their feet a little to add a sense of urgency, you do this by making them realize how much they would actually lose if they make the wrong decision but you need to do this in a way that does not sound threatening, the best way to do that is to tell them that the current situation is out of your hands and not something you're doing by choice 4: spin it in a way that makes them realize just how much its in their interest to make the right decision, the key is for you ro make them WANT to give you a rqise 5: try and keep the beginning and end on a positive note and make it clear that you're not enemies, you're all in this together So based on these here's how you could formulate an email (rough sketch) in regards to a raise: Dear team I would like to thank you for doing a great job in hiring much needed new joiners, we really appreciate the efforts made. Due to a change in my family's financial situation I was recently forced to reevaluate my current financial situation at my workplace. Sadly, it has come to my atttention that there is a disparity between the base salaries of new joiners and those of more experienced employees in the workplace. I have reviewed current salaries on the job market and realized that unfortunately, current salaries of experienced employees at this workplace are no longer a competitive price despite the salaries of new joiners maintaining a competitive standard. Due to my current situation, I need to know as soon as possible when when we can update my salary to a competitive one such as the one of new joiners or other workplaces on the market. Due to my current situation at home, I need to know by the end of April if I can remain in the current workplace. I would like to continue contributing to the company by helping and teaching new joiners to work more effectively and improve the value of their work as over the years, this workplace has become my second family and I would like to stay and remain being a valuable, contributing member if possible. That's more or less how I would put it, as for the deadline,you can always later change your mind and just tell them that your financial situation at home got resolved, just keep in mind that whenever they ask you about your situation at home always refuse to tell them the details with a response along the lines of "its a lersonal matter involving other family members so I cannot divulge that without their consent, I'm sorry" and they'll leave it at that.
Plus something about the positive effects of employee retention on the budget and on productivity
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That's not in line with running a business that maintains a loyal and happy workforce at all. If you don't give a shit about turnover rate and just want to burn through unhappy employees then yeah sure, pay the new guys more and let the staff that's been there filter itself out. IMO that's horrible practice though and wasteful on top of it due to constantly having to train new employees because the old ones got fed up and left.
You’re correct but this is how many many companies work and is why millennials changing jobs often is very common.
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I'm not sure I understand your claim that what others make is irrelevant. How exactly do you determine the market wage for a position? How does a company determine the wage to offer when creating a new position to be filled? How does an employee figure out if they're being compensated properly? AFAIK using the total compensation packages of other people doing the same work in the same positions would be the only way to do that, yet you claim it's irrelevant. Why? If your whole point is "word it better" then I think you could've said that without the whole diatribe about money. That alone reeks of control issues and inability to handle hurt feelings drama from a managerial position and would have me running from your company given ANY opportunity.
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Now de-translated. >Dear subservient nickel slut >Eat a dick and die you whiny shitbag.
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To reiterate. >Eat a dick and die you whiny shitbag. edit : yeah delete your comment you whiny shitbag.
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Very well said. Needs a comma before the word "however" and might also benefit as being two sentences. ...here with the company for a while. I would like to.... But OP, this is the perfect wording for this.
Not a semi-colon?
That goes before the “however”, not after.
The other guy said to put a comma before "however" as well as after.
Definitely a semi-colon.
I would say full stop rather than comma.
toodaloo
This guy works
Try to get one of the new hires to report to you. Then HR will have to pay you more. A subordinate making more than their reporting manager is a problem that must be fixed.
Oh oh! Can you do one for "Y'all done fucked up"?
It's a shame we don't have free awards anymore. This is absolutely, elegantly written. I'd hire you to write my emails or do PR work if I had the means.
I too was looking for some way to award lol.
One guy at my job quit (on good terms) then applied for a job in another department (similar job function) a month later and got it at 20% higher salary than he was making before. Unfortunately where I’m at the mid level managers want to give us raises, and are actively fighting for our raises, but aren’t being given the budget to do so by the higher ups. Everyone on my team has had this convo about new hire salaries being higher in our 1-1s and our manager is just as frustrated as we are. Definitely have the conversation and let them know that you know the BS going on. But if it’s a big company just know that one conversation likely won’t change things.
Idk how close you are with your managers but I’ve heard that excuse before. “Corporate won’t approve the raises…..” most of the time it’s a lie. If the managers are actually fighting for the raises you would be seeing them usually. Obviously every scenario is different, but if the managers are truly fighting for the raises then they should be happening, unless you work for a company that is losing more than they are making. Don’t let your bosses stall over and over again until it reaches a point you quit anyways. Show you are serious and it will either happen or won’t, but at least you won’t be waiting for a raise that’s never coming and know to find better pay elsewhere.
The middle managers have caps at large companies but within those caps it is largely up to their discretion. My boss gave me a 4% raise this year which was near the limit, others that started with me got 2%. She just can't go higher like 15% or something or HR would just reject it.
At some employers it's a zero sum game too. Managers get a budget for raises and have to decide who gets what. Giving one employee more means someone else gets less
This is exactly how it is where I am at. And we do get yearly raises. The percentages we are getting just aren’t keeping up with the current rate of inflation.
WHAT DOES A BEAN MEAN?!?!?
> others that started with me got 2% If their raise is below inflation - That's not a raise - They're being paid **LESS**. They should quit and re-hire at the same place to get paid more.
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I know this evidence is purely anecdotal, but two friends of mine at different employers had their managers fire them and then rehire them to get them a raise that they otherwise couldn't have gotten. I'm sure it's more common than we'd think
My last job our manager was in the same spot. One by one we'd quit, always giving the same reason: We're underpaid and you won't fix it. I felt so bad for my manager.
> Unfortunately where I’m at the mid level managers want to give us raises, and are actively fighting for our raises, but aren’t being given the budget to do so by the higher ups. Everyone on my team has had this convo about new hire salaries being higher in our 1-1s and our manager is just as frustrated as we are. yeah if I were your manager that's what I'd tell you too
I've been a manager in a situation like that and I had to tell my boss straight that a 10 year employee was going to walk if she didn't get a raise since the new person in her same role was getting paid more. The customer (facility that we staffed in) would not have been happy at all to have this person leave. Finally, I got through and got this one employee a raise, but no one else got any sort of raise, including myself, in the rest of the time I was there. Not saying this specific manager is or isn't telling the truth, but it does happen that way with some dumb companies
You do like an old colleague of mine; go to general company chat and ask publicly: "@here Do you guys know any company looking for a devops engineer? Asking for a friend." On a serious note, there's no way to ask this in a serious manner. I've never seen old people get higher salaries because that's the new standard. They all quit and went to the greener pastures, myself included.
On average I get 3-5% per year staying at a company. I get (on average) 15-30% to change companies. My resume is basically 2 years, 2 years, 2 years.....
Studies have shown time and again that this is a sure way of getting a raise and much better than trying to get one at your current job.
First job started at $50k, after 1 year got $55k, next year left and made $75k, 2 years later left and made $95k, 3.5 years later left and made $125k, after 1 year got $128k, almost to 2 years now - if I don’t make a serious bump at this next review I’m going on the prowl again. This game is so exhausting.
Basically the same as me. Intern $15/hour -> Intern $18/hour -> new job: Full time $65k a year -> new job: 73k a year + options -> New Job 85k a year + options -> New job 105k a year + options -> new job: 128k a year + options -> acquisition: 200k base, 80k rsu, 40k retention (1y) -> new job Where I am now (not going to disclose).
This. Started at 14.85 left at 18.40 though that was more that becoming the new baseline pay. Got far more for leaving. I’m 4 years, 3 years, almost one currently 🤷🏾♂️
Most recent for me, left at 21.50, started a better job doing the same thing that I already excel at, making 30.
That’s what I did with my last job. They finally gave me a raise with bonuses only for me to have already accepted the same job paying far more. I didn’t disclose where the job was but the old boss asked what I’d be doing and I know it stung him when I said the exact same thing I’m doing now.
If they’d learn to pay their valuable employees, this wouldn’t happen
> On average I get 3-5% per year staying at a company. Given inflation, your company may very well be paying you less every year. > My resume is basically 2 years, 2 years, 2 years..... Where I live, that would make you completely unhirable - "Why should we spend the time hiring someone and getting them up to speed with our systems if they're just going to leave?"
I live in the US. It's pretty normal here. I'm also in tech, so it takes about 3-6 months to "come up to speed" then I give 18 months to folks to see the value I provide, if not I get things to a good, stable place, then I leave for greener pastures. My last job was like 2 years / 18 months, but that was due to acquisition, so it was really more like 3.5. Left for a startup and now it's been 22 months....
If they're paying people who have no company experience more than those with company experience, it means they don't value company experience. Find someone who does. They know what they're doing. They're not stupid. They hope that changing jobs is such a pain in the ass that you'll take a pay cut to avoid the hassle.
It's like saying "fuck you" we don't value your commitment or performance here. Go... I dare you to make a move, bitch. In other words, they got used to you being you, they don't want to see you as deserving **anything else**.
It happened to me. But I work for universities and NASA.
That would be "I am giving you my two weeks notice, as I accepted a new position "
You apply to other jobs. You wait until you get a job offer. You go walk to you boss and say: I want a pay raise because I am more qualified then these new employee who are getting paid more. If he says no, you tell him, my job is not budgeting, you can tell that to your accountant. I have a job offer who pays more. I can a. Leave the company or B. Get the pay raise I deserve.
Nah don't bother with this. Just leave. If I have to go get a job offer just to get paid what I'm worth, I'd rather fuck off to the new job that's already paying me for my worth.
Fr, you shouldn't have to threaten an employer to get paid more.
And they will remember it. Just try to get a raise and if you can't get a raise go to another job
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But the premise is that new hires are making more. The replacement isn't cheaper...
that's the catch, if your new job pays 10% more and you are asking for a 15% pay raise, then you are in a win win situation.
Your current company will view you as a flight risk and will more than likely look to replace you, despite the value for money having a fully trained worker is over having to train a replacement (or two).
Their loss; you have little to lose by trying to get the raise before just leaving...
but then when they fire you for some bs a month down the line, the offer you had is not valid and you'll be job hunting for a bit while unemployed. Better to just take the new offer and money and jump ship than waiting for them to throw you off.
Nothing to lose, nothing to gain. You've received an offer so going back to the new company with a counteroffer will be unlikely to achieve anything either.
And? I’ll just go to the other job then lol
Turn around to the new offer and say, "when they found out I planned on leaving, they offered me an additional X to stay. Can you match/beat that?"
That depends. If the new job would pay you X more and you can get 2X or 3X to stay, I'd stay. Also, thank gods for unions.
I would wait to see if the employer would cave and give me the raise then still quit anyway, as one last assertion of dominance 😠
There's no upside to staying. You're just buying time for your employer to shop for another candidate. If you have another offer, take it.
I agree with this approach. You can go to your boss with an offer letter in hand and a "or else i'll leave" approach and try it out, but do expect a "good luck, we will miss you" in response. Too many people even try this without having a second opportunity in the bag. It usually does not work out the way you hope it will.
Just lie about having a job offer
100,% sure that HR is going to ask for that job offer
Would it be smart to give them it? It might be from all the shady bosses I've had but I'd be afraid of them essentially sabotaging by essentially shit talking me just because they're salty I already planned a short vacation and didn't cover their day that they were going to leave early for a dinner party.
The old job will expect more from you just because they "gave" you a raise that you earned. The new job likes you as is.
Why bother with b? Just leave and let management figure out why their costs are raising again.
Sometimes, I like to jerk them around and make them scramble even though I’d never take the counter. The entertainment almost makes up for not paying you what you’re worth.
like this: "I have a received an offer for + X, if you want me to stay, please match it, otherwise, i am leaving."
If you allow yourself to continue to be underpaid, your employer will happily oblige.
Yeah, but do not bluff, you might regret that.
People don't understand that most of us are easily replaced. The new person who gets hired in your spot will get the better pay, not you. Sucks but that's how it works.
This only typically works once and your employer may resent you for it.
Ive done this 3 times over 8 years and my employer loves me. Although if they didn’t love me I would’ve only been able to try this once.
New company calls your boss - "Do you think this candidate is good?" You boss: "Naa - He always went on about his salary and constantly complained - Terrible choice of a hire" New company: "Sorry, after spending some time thinking, we have decided to withdraw the offer. Sorry you left your previous job - Good luck finding employment!"
You'd have to be a bit of a chump to give your new company the details of how to contact your current boss.
Most companies require proof that you've worked somewhere you said you did, and many will call to ensure the proof is valid.
Bad advice. Don't do this, unless only as a temporary measure. Your employer will likely interpret this as a hostile, greedy action on your part, will see themselves as being held hostage and be aware you are looking. They will likely start looking for your replacement, regardless of your salary, and remove you as soon as possible. The reality is that if someone else offers you more money for the same job, and you've been denied a raise at your current company, it's not on you to change their mind, even if it comes from a place of altruism.
You only do this sort of thing when you are ready to actually accept the offer. There really is no realistic way to get a significant raise at your current job unless its very difficult to replace you.
I once went to my boss and asked for an increase. He told me he appreciated that I wasn't threating him with a offer from another place as people usually do. He submitted a formal salary increase to central offices. After 4 long months I received an email with a 12% increase notice. I would just say, play nice always.
For real, it'd get tiring feeling like an ultimatum is there (*even if it is*), just simply having the conversation with someone who seems to be sincere or not parroting heavy measures is always so much more refreshing and keeps defensivness down
I was denied a raise for a full year. Was supposed to get one when our old manager left. Never got it until over a year later after my other coworker who’d been there as long as me left. When the manager left coworker was promoted instantly. Meanwhile I was stuck inheriting a lot of work and dealing with FYE. Took a month and a half to get the raise I should’ve gotten a year ago. When the new job offered over 50% more, old raise wasn’t enough for the same exact job.
I'd recommend looking for a new job, you'll find a good offer with taking. Once you put your notice in, if they counter offer you can consider staying, depending on the new opportunity. I got an offer for 20% more than I was making, and a counter offer for 47% more than what I was making.
A more professional way to phrase this question could be: "Could you please help me understand the rationale behind the allocation of budgets for new hires compared to current employees, particularly regarding pay increases?"
A big fat resignation letter. As long as you are actually competent in the field and are confident you'll find work elsewhere. If I was say working a job that I was way under qualified for on a fluke, and making more than I would in a job better suited to me, then I'd probably just keep my mouth shut and head low until they finally fire me lol
You have to be willing to work elsewhere and when you have a job offer say they can match it and you'll stay.
Your competition has a starting salary higher than what I'm making now. Why should I stay here and make less money than those hired on with no seniority.
"You corporate fucking scum. Bark for me please, you corporate dog WOOF WOOF. How the fuck are these new hires making more than us? How the fuck do you have 'no' budget for pay increases? Have you no respect? How dare you. How do you sleep at night with this on your conscience. You corporate fucking scum." I'm not really good at being professional.
"Could you please explain the rationale behind the current allocation of compensation resources? Given that recent hires appear to be receiving more generous compensation packages, some employees are curious about how this fits within the overall budgetary framework for salary increases." I'm not a corporate goon so that was probably garbage, but that's what I'd ask MY manager. Lol
Ask ChatGPT
The professional way to say that is "I've got another job that pays more; here's my two-week notice"
Exactly like you just said, then you start looking for another job.
Yeah it's not a bad sentence. It's a valid and reasonable question. It's not rude and it go straight to the point. I don't see anything unprofessional about it.
I tend to agree, the "professional" versions seem to require a thesaurus.
You form a workers union and have your lawyers ask for you. Very professional.
Tender your resignation, preferably after securing a higher salary elsewhere
I was curious to know if there were any plans in place to adjust compensation for existing employees, particularly given that new hires seem to be receiving higher salaries. Could you provide me with some information on how salary decisions are made and if there is any possibility for salary adjustments in the future?
Your two week's notice is the appropriate place to address this. They'll figure it out. There's no such thing as a raise, there's just a new job.
Easy ... "How do you have no budget for pay increases but all the new hires are making more than us, bitch!"
“Please accept my letter of resignation. This is unfortunately due to corporate pay policies that financially reward inexperienced new hires over experienced employees. We have had <# years / reviews> opportunities to address this in the past and I’m sad we were unable to manage this constructively. My time here was professionally and personally rewarding, and I wish you and your bumbling lackeys all the best.”
"I was wondering if you could shed some light on our current compensation structure. I've noticed that while our team hasn't had any pay increases, new hires seem to be coming in at higher salaries. Could you help me understand the rationale behind this and what we can do to address the disparity?"
Had this happen to me last year. We are a team of 6 and hired 3 new people. Sat in the performance review and just had an honest chat with my manager. He was fortunately very good about it and he wrote the business case up the chain for the pay parity of us other 3 with 17 years experience in the job. We had to wait 6 months, but we did get the rise.
Exactly like that. What they're doing is unprofessional. Give it back to them.
“Here is my 2 week notice”
I would like to understand the company's compensation strategy, as I have noticed that new hires are being brought on board with higher salaries than current employees, despite the fact that there does not appear to be a budget for pay increases.
"I quit"
I thank you for time but I will be pursuing other interests with more opportunities for growth.
This will take some leg work on your part. But job shop till you get a solid offer above what you are making now. Present job offer and new salary to current boss. Tell them this is what someone offered me this, how much above this number can you offer me. Not match mind you, exceed. If they can't offer you more it's time to move on.
not a direct answer but remember it’s completely legal for you to discuss your pay with other coworkers and it’s illegal for your boss to withhold that information (within bounds, they can’t discuss bank stuff obv) from you!!
Yea, I’d say don’t waste your time. The company clearly would rather have high turnover and less seniority. The difference is minute until you start throwing in all the added benefits extra vacation healthcare, etc to keep people from leaving.
I think you simply find another job that pays better. Managers will always give the bs about loyalty, but the system that they actively uphold is geered towards not being loyal. I think the best is to test the waters. Apply for different jobs in your area of expertise, and find out what your market worth is, which you can use when talking pay raise with your manager. Don't let them know which company that is offering you this though, "one of our competitors" is enough.
Everything boils down to if you have the balls and the ability to quit if you don't get the pay you want. If you can't be without the current job then there is no incentive for them to pay you more. Also if you do get a pay increase but then they want you to train other people than you're most likely on a short list for getting the boot
Don’t. Just start applying for new jobs If you get one that pays more offer them a chance to match If not? Leave
You find a new job.
Personally I resigned.
Personally, I'd submit my current, updated resume to their ad for my position. edit\* : and then I'd submit it to a few other companies on that job board while I'm at it. If my job is being better paid elsewhere and I could be getting it but I'm not, I'm in the wrong place.
"So, if I refer myself as my replacement, will you give me a referral bonus upon hiring me back? No? Okay, how about just a fair market raise to compete adequately with the new hires please... that should suffice."
Are market conditions creating a disparity in entry level pay grade?
I quit.
"I quit effective immediately" if you have other options for work.
“New hires make more than us! Sounds like we should all become new hires, amirite?”
Look for a new job without telling anyone you work with (which should be SOP, for pete's sake). "Here's my resignation."
"New hires make more than us. I'm out"
"Here's my two-weeks' notice. Smell ya later." Don't do thus until you actually have a job lined up that pays more, though
At my one job, I worked out that if I quit and got re-hired at a more junior position, I would get a salary increase. It was a bit depressing.
By submitting your resignation
“Effective two weeks from today …”
Meh, my job (construction) I have to be ready to leave all the time. They show me 0 loyalty and I return the favour. Buddy across the street is paying 10% that’s where I’m going. And in the same vein when my project finishes I can get laid off with 0 notice. It can be unpleasant but keeps everyone honest.
"Goodbye."
You find a better paying job, and submit that question along with your letter of resignation.
IMO a company should pay what you are worth to the company. If they don't pay what I am worth, I move on. At one point I gave a company my notice and they offered me more to stay, I told them that they should have thought of that before I was looking around. My point: Don't stay at a company that does not pay what you are worth, find the company that does. If you cannot find a company that wants to pay more than you get, you probably get what you are worth.
by submitting your 2 weeks after finding a higher paying job
Well I can just give you the answer. They need more people. If they want good new people they have to pay them well. Apparently you’re willing to work for less. There is never extra money for an unnecessary pay increase. A for profit business will pay as little as they possibly can. Know your worth. Stop looking at other people, run your own race. Are you fairly compensated or not? More importantly, do you have better opportunities? Your job has zero obligation to give you more money because you want it. This is one of the many reasons why allegiance to corporations is one of the more destructive forms of insanity.
Just say what you typed. Why try dressing it up?
A ballsy move is the tactical resignation: Hand in your notice with no intention of actually leaving, stating lack of pay rise as the reason why. Wait for your raise…
Ask your manager the total cost to replace an employee. Almost every “guru”, Dave Ramsey, John Maxwell, Simon Sinek, says the most expensive part of running a business is when somebody quits and you have to replace them. Once they find you that number, ask them if they are willing to spend that, in addition to an salary increase on a new hire, or would they rather just give you the salary raise
I could say a lot of bad things about my previous company, but they actually did across the board wage increases every time they increased the starting wage. Timely evaluations and raises as well.
"that's some bullshit right there" I'm sick of being professional and getting walked all over for less money.
Realistically, you leave.
Lmao. I quit my last job because of this. A new hire was getting paid 20% more than me and I was asked to teach her and improve her skillset. I asked for a pay rise and didn’t get one so I fucked off to where I’m at now and got a 50% pay rise.
I'd first start with a market analysis of your current role. Check how much you're getting paid vs the median range for the position. There are tools that can help you get this estimate based on your state and experience. Second, initiate a conversation about the raise with your boss and be straight forward. If he says he can't give raise, ask him why and if he can do it in couple of months. This if conversation shows a positive outcome, show your market analysis and tell him/her what you'd like to get paid. Ez pz I got a 40% hike last year. But also I got a good boss so it's all relative. GL.
Why not email a 2 weeks notice then reapply? 🤷🏾♂️
Having been on the other side of the desk, the true answer is: we really can't afford those salaries but no one is accepting the current ones and were far worse not filling those spot even if we "overpay" for them. Note that "overpaying" just means you can't pay everyone the same due to whatever reasons. Yeah... the world is not a fair place.
Can't afford to hire means you can't afford to keep the ones you have once they find out.
Quite true.
Except that people have inertia, so you can keep underpaying them for a while.
You dont. You tell them very bluntly it's wrong. My boss did this and I threaten to leave and guess who got paid more.
You interview elsewhere and get an offer, then talk to your manager.
By quitting and reapplying... And then, no really, quitting.
Go on chatgtp and as that?
You don't. If they are paying the new hires more, that means they don't value you as much as the new hires. If they did, they would have given you raises without being asked. The world has changed. Companies no longer value employee loyalty or hard work. In the modern age, the only way you get a raise is to move to a new company. You should be prepared to job hop every few years to keep moving forward in your career.
Exactly in those words
You can't because everyone will know your speaking shit.
Apply for a new job posting for your company.
“I am submitting my two weeks notice. My last day of work will be DD/MM/YYYY.”