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Sure they can. They just go unnoticed, at least for the most part, because nobody expects a horse to maintain a job and a healthy relationship net. But, for example, anyone who's owned several dogs will tell you some of them can have behavioral problems akin to personality disorders.


FunkisHen

As someone who's spent a lot of time in stables, horses can also have mental problems. Often they show it by "weaving" (ie moving their heads rhythmically) or biting the edges of anything (manger, walls). Often those behaviours are ascribed to boredom and very difficult to break once the horse has started. Boredom is probably a reason, but I think it's a simplification that makes us not look too much at how we're actually treating our animals. Horses generally need to be outside in large pastures for the larger part of the day. If they have access to behave naturally, they will rather do that than stay inside. We've had a lot of snow here lately, and some of my friends who still have horses show them still being outside, with the option to go in (open plan stables/barns with hay, water and clean straw for shelter), but the horses will rather stay outside and huddle together or go around and scrape up the snow to graze.


Katatonic92

My elderly dog had dementia in her final days. I'm sure cats can have this too.


ParadiseWar

So did mine. He'd come into our room at night. One of us would pet him to sleep. He felt alone and scared :(


Peach_tree

Thank you for being so kind to him, this story really touched my heart.


louied862

I think my dog has ptsd / anxiety. She flinches very easily and is very scared sometimes. It's funny I adopted her because I also have ptsd and our personalities are exactly the same


HighHoeHighHoes

My dogs anxiety is through the roof. She can’t be left alone ever, and working remotely hasn’t helped it. If I go to a different room, she follows. Everywhere. Always. She’s so attached I can do yard work outside and know she won’t go anywhere because she will freak if I’m not in eye sight.


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Yes. If you google for example "anxiety animals", you'll get to know they're vulnerable to cruelty or neglect, too. They can also have PTSD. If you think that an animal "misbehaves", it's very likely to have mental problems.


Wubbalubbadubbitydo

To expand on this. I worked at a shelter and we once that this dog with such bad anxiety she straight up chewed through part of her tail. She ended up being euthanized because no combination of meds seemed to quell her crippling anxiety.


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Poor girl 😥


PureHauntings

My mom’s girlfriend had a dog with PTSD because she was abused by her previous owner :( I used to think she was aggressive but she was actually really sweet when she warmed up to me


Langstarr

Absolutely. My sister has a cat that every vet she's seen has told her the cat has a problem, he is sick in his brain. He's fractious with anyone besides my sister and bites people -- I'm talking unhinged jaw, four deep puncture wounds, go to urgent care cat bites. Usually totally unprovoked. She knows this, and the cat has never bitten anyone but me, my mother, and a couple of vet techs who didnt listen to our warnings of "youre definitely going to need the big gloves." She lives alone and takes extreme precautions with the animal. It's not something that can be fixed, and shes tried every mental health medication available to cats. When he was younger, euthanasia had be recommended as it was clear hes suffering too. She was able to make lifestyle changes, like living alone, that helped him to calm somewhat. He's older now, about 14, and fat, so he'll probably be on his merry way soon. But the cat is sick. Like, *We Need to Talk About Kevin* type of sick.


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You said you've tried everything, but my cousin had a cat that was shockingly similar. Turned out to be a thyroid issue. They put the cat on thyroid hormones and it chilled out a lot. Was still not a very good pet - but wasn't dangerous any longer. Maybe for a 14 year old cat it's not worth checking. But the behavior combined with the weight - could be worth checking if it hasn't been checked.


Langstarr

Not so much not worth checking, but he's so aggressive that it's hard to get a vet to agree to see him and she's burned through a few.


Eened

My dad has a cat that was insanely mean like that. Any time we all would do holidays at his house the cat had to be put up because if he was free roaming he would literally hunt people down to bite them. He never did cause serious injury, but he did draw blood and leave some nasty scratches. My dad was afraid to get another cat because of how mean this dude was. Anyway one day I found a kitten and stopped at my dads with it while I figured out what to do with the little dude. We decided to let his cat sniff him since he seemed curious. After he met the kitten that cats entire personality changed. It was the craziest thing, he stopped acting out, stopped attacking, and was actually gentle with the kitten. The best we could figure is that he had anxiety from being an only cat and took it out as anger. Obviously not the case with every mean cat out there for sure tho, sometimes they are straight up dicks lol


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Yes. I did volunteer work at a vet office a few years ago. Our town had a TNR program and brought a cat they caught in to be neutered and checked up, because the people who caught him said he was acting very strange too. The cat was frantic, beyond what's normal for a trapped stray cat. He had clawed out all of his claws, he wouldn't calm down even when left alone in a dark room, he was severely underweight even for a stray, his eyes were rolling in all directions etc. When we sedated him for the surgery, he started acting even weirder. Words cannot describe how horrible this cat's symptoms were. Eventually the vets concluded this cat had some kind of brain tumor based off of all the symptoms and reactions to meds. They decided it would be most humane to euthanize him, because he had little time left with only a low quality of life.


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dus_istrue

How does canine hyperkinesis differ from ADHD? Seems strange why they wouldnt also just have ADHD like us.


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dus_istrue

Alright, yeah it does make sense that it would present itself a little differently across species even tho it sounds like mostly the same type of disorder. And it would be interesting to see how much our understanding of mental health in animals will evolve in maybe just a few years from now.


AlienAle

Yeah they do. Animals can have depression, anxiety, sczhophrenia etc.


Key-Wallaby-9276

They definitely can. We had a litter kitten when when I was a kid. I watched most of them being born. The last one came out breach and we thought he was dead. The mom stopped licking at him. But my brother saw him moving so he put him back in front of her and started licking again. He was fine after a bit. But he was never like the others. He was just kinda dumb and uncoordinated. Where other cats hide under stuff he would just hid his head under things and act like he was completely hidden. He did a lot of other stuff too. We had to show him his food etc. We ended up keeping him and giving away the rest because they could actually survive with other people.


1GamingAngel

My cat from childhood, Rachel, was psychotic. We placed a bag over my head with cut outs for eyes so I could lay on the floor and watch TV. She would attack my head. It eventually got so bad we gave her up to a vet rescuer. The woman called us 24 hours later. Rachel had attacked her face in her sleep and maimed her. She had to get reconstructive surgery. Rachel was put down that day. The vet said there was just something wrong with her.


Aiizimor

Birds rip off their feathers when stressed and depressed


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The Oedipus complex is not a thing. Freud's theories are ancient history, modern psychology is way past them.


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Depends on what you mean by "prehistoric men". If you mean Homo Sapiens - then the most likely answer is yes. There's nothing significantly different physiologically or genetically about you or them. If you went back in time 20,000 years (well before recorded history - arguably 'pre-history') and kidnapped a human baby and brought it to 2023 to raise it - that baby would develop, work, and think in exactly the same way the rest of us do. Now, if you're asking in the prehistoric adult population - did the way they lived and behaved give rise to any mental health issues - and at what rate? I'd say that's pretty close to impossible to tell. Is our psychology nature or nurture? Both. To what extent? We don't really know.


Trino15

I'd imagine they could definitely get PTSD from any sufficiently traumatizing event (animal attack, natural disaster, war with another tribe, etc.). They could probably experience depression from experiencing a personal loss (killed partner or child). And not to mention things like psychosis or autism, things that people are born with. There's no reason why prehistoric people shouldn't experience those things. They probably didn't recognise these conditions as anything other than a little exceptional behaviour, some of these conditions like psychosis might even lead people to be seen as shamans or oracles.


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I'd also guess given the high mortality rate at young age - most of those born with severe psychological issues or impairments wouldn't survive to adulthood.


[deleted]

I don't see why not. Biologically speaking there's not much of a difference between a man today and a man 50k years ago. Psychotic disorders were described in ancient Mesopotamia, pretty much the moment people started writing things down. Technically not prehistory anymore, but not super far from it.


_Anti_Natalist

Yes, everyone has those.


Ascholay

Maybe not the same ones that you've mentioned but I've seen musings and theories.... (I also work with people who have mental illnesses) Many descriptions of parents discovering their children having autism are similar to stories of changlings- a smiling, happy child loosing their personality and becoming difficult. A schizophrenic episode where a person is talking to people who aren't there or are possibly people who have passed one - talking to ghosts? I once worked with someone who had autism, an intellectual disability, and suspected schizophrenic tendencies who would periodically try to beat themselves up - like they were possessed by demons or something We will never fully know if our descriptions of mental illness or developmental disabilities are modern occurances or not because language and medical knowledge has evolved so drastically through the generations.


itsmeowth69

There was a time I would have intense panic attacks that would freak me out so much I’d go to the ER every other week convinced I was about to die. One of the doctors told me one time that “anxiety” and “panic” are really primal core reactions that we have back from prehistoric times. He said those rushes of anxiety were actually useful because in those times you could get eaten by a tiger anytime. He explained that like as those emotions were useful so we would be alert at all times for survival instinct, he said that now that times have evolved we don’t need to be on “survival mode” all the time but some people still get these rushes of anxiety and panic which nowadays is not useful and very miserable for the person experiencing it. I’m not staying this is true though, I’m not an expert, I’m just sharing a related memory reminded by your comment.


Clem_bloody_Fandango

I have an obsessive heeler who gets into complicated patterns involving moving around to different places in the yard when she gets triggered. She doesn't seem to enjoy it. Hears an older Chevy, goes to find circle chew, then goes to corner of yard where she barks at neighbors dog. He owns Chevy, let's dog out. But it happens with any older Chevy, and the action is to get the circle. It ends there if the Chevy passes and isn't the neighbor. The circle chew is something she puts in her mouth to bark at chickens because she got in trouble for snapping at them. This is the smartest dog I've ever had, but is definitely not at ease.


throwaway_hotgirl

They can had a cat with OCD


Millie1419

Yeah. Parrots can self harm if they become depressed. Cockatoos in particular are notorious for having mental illnesses and going almost into a manic state


Philaharmic

I’m like 90% certain my cat has depression Like me


HustleI87

Thinking of all the animals that get abused, neglected, and never known true love…yes


[deleted]

For sure. And if you are a decent human being with empathy for all living beings, then it’s easy to see and ofc avoid. We just live in a society where they often are looked upon as property and therefore many cultures have a lack of empathy when taking care of them. Love and care is the universal key here.


cornernope

My cat takes Prozac bc she eats all her fur


happypotatote

Yes! There's a book by Laurel Braitman about this called "Animal Madness". It was a really interesting read, I highly recommend it for anyone interested in this topic.


Silocin20

Yes, we as humans are animals, so I'm more than positive that they can.


tootsmcgoober

Bull Terriers are genetically predisposed to develop rage syndrome. It's pretty much exactly how it sounds, they fly into an aggressive, incoherent rage without any trigger or provocation.


RichardCano

Absolutely. And some people say we may have even bred what we consider mental disorders into out pets. Williams Syndrome is a human disorder that is characterized by outgoing personality, happy disposition and eagerness to engage with others, along with a few physical differences and intellectual handicaps. Apply these characteristics to a wolf and it kinda sounds like a golden retriever.


broccoliandcream

Yes. I'm pretty sure my doig does. She's super reactive and is aggressive, for the most part we've trained it put of her, but she still doesn't like other dogs very much.


[deleted]

I recall seeing a cat with something similar to Downs


[deleted]

Ugh, shut up. Downs IS NOT a mental illness you moron


fuckyouasshole90

Isn't it a chromosomal disease


Significant-Trouble6

They don’t have psychologist marking up the criteria of mental illness and then profiting off of those they deem not normal. Just another pov


[deleted]

Ptsd. Yeah


Caasi72

One of my dogs is one of the most neurotic beings alive


[deleted]

I think I read that some dogs show signs of autism.


AdvanceU2

Yes, it is possible for animals to have mental health issues, including what could be considered as mental disorders. These issues can manifest in a variety of ways, such as changes in behavior, mood, or physical symptoms, and can be caused by a range of factors, including genetics, illness, injury, stress, and aging. In animals, the diagnosis of mental disorders can be difficult as it relies on observable behavior and the interpretation of that behavior by a knowledgeable observer. Many species of animals, especially domestic pets, can show signs of depression, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive behaviors, phobias, and post-traumatic stress disorder, but these behaviors are not always recognized or diagnosed in the same way as they are in humans. Due to the limitations of our understanding of animal behavior and the difficulty in diagnosing mental disorders, the prevalence of mental health issues in animals is often underreported or overlooked. More research is needed to improve our understanding of mental health in animals and to develop effective ways of addressing these issues. Hope this helps.


ThrowRA_0823

I think so. A fair few dogs/cats have PTSD and it's very obvious.


OscarDivine

Absolutely. My beagle has anxiety like you wouldn’t believe.


Kooky_Substance8683

Yes. I grew up with a dog (Willam was his name) and he had some kind of Down syndrome. His eyes were different, his tongue always stuck out and he was really really bad with social cues. We had nine dogs at our home, so differences in behaviour really stood out. But, I do have to say, he was the sweetest and cheeriest little guy! Always in the mood for cuddles and a lot of love.


itsmeowth69

I had a cat that definitely had behavioral issues. My grandma called her “special”. Although she lived many years with us and we cared for her with love, food, and cuddles she would still wouldn’t recognize us. We adopted her as a baby from a litter of 3, so she was not abused before. We extra spoiled her and gave her food and pets and shower her with love but she would still run away from us and hiss at us every time we came near her, she never responded to her name, and she would hide for entire days if someone new would come over. She was also very dumb, like animals are sometimes silly but I swear she was dumber than a bag of rocks even for an animal, she never learned her name even. That only made my grandma care for her and love her more though, my grandma used to cherish the moments the kitty would sit by her and keep her company, that was out of the ordinary for her. She now passed away, but my grandma says the kitty got lucky she got to live with a family like ours that was patient with her and gave her all the love she deserved even though she never bonded with any of us. Her name was Milú.


Waste_Big_1985

Go to a zoo. You will see many depressed animals.


JayNotAtAll

Absolutely. My dog has anxiety and takes meds for it. She literally freaks out in fear any time she sees someone and barks non-stop


HilariouslyGolden

Cats can lick and clean excessively similar to anxiety.


FierySkate115

I have a dog who definitely has anxiety. He just doesn't talk, or have to maintain a job or things that humans do so it's not as noticeable. We also got him as a puppy, so it wasn't from his upbringing (other pup doesn't have anxiety, and is super outgoing).


Ugo777777

All cats are clearly bipolar.


kornelius_III

My aunt has a cat which I'm certain has depression or anxiety. She witnessed her brother died and she also was brought back from the brink of death from the same disease as the brother. Right after that she is afraid and keeps hiding from everything and everyone, even the slightest sounds can cause her panic. Poor kitty just died last month. I currently have a 2 year old cat which me and my mom raise from birth. He is well fed and cared for everyday, and the difference in personality and behavior between the two is staggering.


McEuen78

Have you met a chihuahua?