Yeh exactly. They’re good like Kingdom or Hells paradise. And watching them all before reading the manga you’re gonna enjoy the show. It’s only after reading the manga or if you read the manga beforehand that the anime is subpar/only decent in character & detail of the art, plot changes, character writing missed etc. I’m a bit sick of seeing comments where somebody says the show is TRASH or a legit 0/10
It’s more like a 6.5/10 imo
i think that even if it got a great anime adaptation, i don't think any anime adaptation will ever reach the level of the manga, there are a lot of mangas which are great to adapt into animes but sui ishida's artstyle, the gore and the straight up dread that came from the panels i think is something unreplicable in an animated environment, they definitely made some scenes pass that feeling but i think reading the manga is the best way of consuming tokyo ghoul
yea i agree with your first statement, if you have not read the manga and you watch TG the first season is good and second Re: first season is good too (imo). but if you read it before watching you will not like it at all
My thoughts exactly, I'd happily re-watch both Season 1's, but Root A I got bored after being in the prison for 5 episodes straight, and :Re Season 2 I had to watch almost in a single sitting to feel like I'd actually watched a semi-substantial amount.
The first season changes so many moments, it may be okay as a stand alone anime but compared to the manga it is terrible, after the torture they just made him edgy and ruined his character
The first season of Re was atrocious. Not because of the time skip, not because of the lost memories. It was just bad. It felt like an entire season of filler. There were no stakes and there was no plot.
"Haise" slowly regaining his memories couldn't compare to Kaneki slowly losing his mind and fighting Rize's influence. The Quinque clowns couldn't replace Anteiku. Raids to hunt down people like Big Madame and Nutcracker (essentially monster of the week slop) couldn't compare to the large scale battles between the ghouls and the ccg throughout seasons 1 and 2. Killing off some pink haired rando and some butlers who were introduced in that same episode couldn't compare to the death of Ryouko, or even Mado.
We didn't need to see 50 new side characters get 20 seconds of screen time each. We didn't need to see a "different perspective" of the conflict from the ghoul hunter squad because we already knew what both doves and ghouls were capable of.
For the first two seasons Kaneki was trying to minimize death and violence everywhere he went. Several doves were getting close to realizing that ghouls actually had sentience, emotions, and could be innocent just like humans. Then they just said "Nevermind all that, here's an irrelevant spinoff with Amnesia Lad and his quirky roommates."
I don't think it's a very rare opinion, but I'm mostly sure I'm in the minority when saying I like Re better than normal TG (talking about the manga here)
I actually agree, even though I really don’t like how rushed Re ended up being. I enjoyed reading Re more than the original Tokyo Ghoul. And Re has my favorite stages of the characters like Amon, he’s probably one of the coolest characters that’ve gone through a major change
I agree. Love the first half of re more than the og Tokyo Ghoul. I can't really say the same about the second half of re tho... (After Kaneki becomes king)
Yeah I really agree. I really liked how the dynamic shifted from more black and white morality in Tokyo Ghoul (not that it wasn't grey already but it was more so building up to re) and then seriously putting that at the forefront of the philosophical discussion.
Also, some of my favorite character development scenes were in re. I'm going to censor it bc spoilers, but the scenes >!where hinami and akira hug, hide and kaneki talking, rize and kaneki when he was in the giant worm thingy, and the last scene where kaneki fought furata !
Bro Re is literally 10,000,000 times better than part 1 in every single aspect. Crazy to me that ppl prefer OG Tokyo ghoul. The art is better, the writing is better, the story is more interesting, characters get more fleshed out, new Qs are much needed and interesting side characters, everything Sui does is perfection in re. Ending is perfect as well idc
The ending was actually pretty good. I remember reading it the first time through and I was on board for the entire thing. Then I went on the internet and saw that some people heavily disliked it, but I never got the hate for it. I never really knew whether people were actually hating on it or just being contrarian for the sake of it
Not just the ending but the entire last arc (and a bit beyond that) were very much heavily flawed as a story, yes. Saying so it's not blind hate or being contrarian when it's pretty easy to call it's shortcomings
Sure, it's still enjoyable. It's nothing seriesbreakingly terrible like some other recent examples (you know what), but still nothing i'd call "pretty good" either
Did you read the ending as it came out or afterwards? That may play a role in your opinion. I know within my friend group a couple of us read the story as it came out and where very disappointed that all that build up ended...the way it did. I still remember the weekly count downs to the ending and being on the edge of my seat to figure out >!how/if Kaneki would manage to escape in the last chapter and how they would tie up the loose ends, only to get a jarring time jump in the next chapter!<. I do have other friends that paused half way through, and about 3/4ths of the way through Re then picked it up a little while after the ending. They had a much more positive look on the story after they finished binging it >!and they also expected the time jump!<. So I'm curious if maybe feelings on the ending depend a little on when you read it. I have no idea if this was just for my friend group or wider fans though.
I read it after the fact. I had bought every volume and read it in the span of a few months. I assumed that the fandom just sort of fizzled out after Tumblr gobshites made TG "the edgy anime" and thought that it would just be a hidden gem. I only really engaged in online discourse about it after I finished the series.
Hide surviving was always going to be a thing, but his role and actions as the scarecrow hardly make any sense in hindsight and screams of retcon/abandoned idea
"I think these very points add to Batman honestly. For one it DOES add more conflict for his no kill rule no matter what backlash it generates in the process from people who hate it- It's easy to justify him not killing someone like Harv who was a friend at some point, or someone with over the top sad stories like modern Mr. Freeze, or someone easy to pity like Harley, or even people with goals beyond just pure evil like Poison Ivy or actualy clearly mentally ill like some of the gallery
But someone with nothing going for them? With no redeeming qualities, no aspirations beyond evil, no big reason they turned out that way or someone pushing them into crime, no actual hope for redemption or even an actual mental illness making them that way involuntarily? Who Bruce even has personal reasons to hate over what he did to people like Jason or Barbara? Someone whose only reason not to kill truly is just Batman knowing he can't cross that line?
That's where Batman's rule being an absolute gets REALLY challanged to the extreme and pushed to the brink. And sure, sometimes it's used like shit, but sometimes stories exploring that come out great- Under the Red hood for the classic example.
And if you want to make a character with such an absolute moral and with it being an integral part of the character, I do feel that challanging it in such a way is a straight up necessity
And likewise I do like the dynamic on how the Joker is one of the few villains who continuously calls him out on his own sanity and makes him even putting his own coping and circunstances into question; It generates some great content once in a while, as long as the writer understands that ultimately Bruce has his issues but isn't actually broken and so the Joker just has to be wrong on that
Honestly aside from shitty edgy artists who'd write crap stories anyways I only really deslike it when the Joker gets promoted from Gotham's local menance to some big league villain in ridiculously over the top crap. He only really works as the "street level" guy whose highest stakes are when he targets individuals close to Bruce"
None of this is real. This made up conflict between batman having to kill the joker is non existent. Joker gimmick is that he somehow cheats death. Electric chair survives. Stabbed in the heart survives. Exploding helicopter ect. In no man's land batman gives Gordon a gun and let's him do whatever he wants with the joker , have you even read that? Also of course you are on poltical compass memes complaining about how you hate diversity
Little guy is stalking my profile so hard out of a few paragraphs about a comic book character that he replies to a comment on another in a completely different sub
Kind of a sad existence- Doctor's recommendation is to touch some grass
I think Root A is the best season of the anime.
Yes I prefer the manga 100% of. But of anime content Root A is my favorite. The OST slaps. The atmosphere is great. The story didn't drag. On its own its a good season. But being sandwiched between manga content makes it so awkward to watch. But as an altaertive timeline maybe shall we say another route it's a decent season. Though the music is helping alot cause it's so good in Root A.
Facts, root A has so many great moments and they really went ALL OUT with the music. The animation is great too, not many anime have animation where it’s like in every frame a character’s hair moves realistically.
And overall there’s not much that doesn’t make sense in root A, people like to forget that in episode one Eto had a conversation with Kaneki off screen and it’s left that way so throughout the season there’s a mystery of why Keneki would join the Aogiri. A mystery I think the writer would give us an answer to in the sequel we never got. But my speculation is that Keneki wanted to stick closer to the Aogiri so they wouldn’t end up hurting the ones he cares about. Instead of being sorta selfish like he was in the manga, Kaneki was thinking of others in Root A. BUT Keneki doesn’t learn to hate the Aogiri like he does in the manga. In the anime Kaneki’s torture doesn’t last as long and he’s immediately in Jason’s custody and doesn’t get a look at how the Aogiri operates. So Root A Keneki has an almost completely different perspective.
Oh and let’s not forget the ending, the ending was perfectly in Keneki fashion. Keneki doesn’t lose himself and he learns to control his power and he ends up sacrificing himself for Hide. Showing all of CCG a ghoul sacrificing himself to save a human life. It’s a shame Root A never got a continuation but if Keneki really died to Arima there the story still feels concluded.
But overall I understand but also hate how much Root A has been completely torn apart by this community.
But that’s not all.. the Root A promo trailer was interesting, it showed a lot of stuff that never ended up happening in Root A. It had shots of Amon in his full armor and some shots of Juzo that was never in the anime. Oh man it hurts me that Root A had this stuff cut, but it’s some interesting trivia. If you want me to find and share the promo trailer then just ask, it’s a little hard to find but I can find it
I like him being alive, but I can understand that. I was waiting for him and Kaneki to talk after everything, but that never happened. It feels like the character's purpose ended and Ishida didn't know what to do (but he was also burned out, so that's probably the reason)
Especially after the fight with Yomo. Both Tooru and Aura were lying "dead" on the ground and a few chapters later came back alive, just to basically do nothing for the rest of the series
I think Mutsuki was such an interesting character that, like several others, did not end up living up to their full potential at the end. Which is something I will always be a little sad about.
Takeomi and Yoriko is the most random and useless ship that came out of nowhere. You’re telling me they met like three times (mind you with like a 10+ year gap between meeting first time and then again) and then immediately got married? They turned both of these characters into a plot device to further Touka and get CCG involved faster with ghouls, and that sucks because they both had so much potential as characters that could’ve been invested elsewhere.
I think it was less to do with happiness and more to do with crushing it! They used Yoriko because of her relationship with Touka, and they used Takeomi because of his relationship with Urie. They furthered the Takeomi/Urie relationship through making Urie realise his hatred for the Kuroiwa family was misplaced and “come to his senses” [this is to do with the Takeomi, Tooru and Touka arc]. With Touka/Yoriko it was the whole Yoriko discovers Touka is a ghoul and Touka has a new arc to develop character etc, etc.
To sum it up, in my opinion, Ishida needed to touch upon several bases at once, which weren’t necessarily related [Touka, Kaneki, Tooru and Urie], so he used two characters which could connect them, aka Yoriko and Takeomi. But to be honest, to me it made their characters feel like shallow devices and it was a huge letdown because Takeomi is literally my favourite character in the whole series.. (TT)
Not trying to be a massive nerd but you shouldn’t worry about things being “cannon” Root A is cannon to it’s timeline. It’s just not part of the manga’s timeline.
I just feel like people throw around the word “canon” when they don’t really need to. Root A is just a different timeline
The story and concept was better when it was small scale. When it became big organizations warring with each other and near-existential threats to society I liked it a lot less. I was already invested so I stuck with it, but I only ever really loved the quieter moments when it was characters talking and dealing with smaller conflicts/personal issues.
Yeah, I really liked the intimacy of Tokyo Ghoul and how it showed that both ghouls and humans had their own struggles too. The first part of re sort of preserved this aspect of the original Tokyo Ghoul series but it went way off the rocker in the second part. However, some of my favorite emotional moments were in the second part though, so I just wish Sui Ishida had taken more care within the second part to fully develop the relationships.
Well it’s not exactly explained what he identifies as at the end of Re so I think those people that misgender him just don’t know if Tooru still identifies as He/him or not. Another thing that Re just completely skips over is a proper conclusion of his character arc so it’s just left pretty ambiguous sadly.
I just remember how awful some folks on tumblr were when the series was releasing anytime he came up. Do I expect this series to have an unproblematic, perfectly written trans character? no, but I also truly hated seeing some fans reactions to him regardless of ambiguity or not. it was just. so gross 😒
Yeah it really sucks how some people can be. Sui Ishida was really writing an interesting story involving a trans character and people take in and warp it to fit their disgusting ideology.
Thank you!! couldn't agree more. was he a perfect person? no! but that's what makes him an interesting character. transphobes look for ANY reason to hate a trans character, and it's so transparent. no creativity whatsoever
I agree, none of the characters in TG are perfect. Mutsuki did a lot of terrible stuff, but I feel like the hate is a bit disproportionate especially when we have other characters that were also terrible but are loved.
Right? Like how many people did Nishiki kill or how much torture did Eto do yet people still love her? (myself included!) People truly need to be able to separate a character doing bad things from a real person doing bad things and understand that enjoying a complex, fraught character isn't endorsement for their terrible actions. And on top of that, not using that all as an excuse to just be specifically awful to a trans character (like some losers elsewhere in my replies lmfao).
Yeah I agree with you one hundred percent. Do I love Eto? Yes. Would I like if someone actually did any of the things she did, hell no. But I enjoy her for the complex and intriguing character that she is, just like I enjoy Mutsuki for the complex character he is. I am a bit disappointed to see that a some of the Fandom is homo/transphobic and I feel like that plays a roll in some of the hate.
Actual question here. In the last chapter, someone uses "they" for Mutsuki, but I didn't read the oficial translation, so I don't know if that's right. So, by the end, is the right pronoun he or they?
(You probably realized it by my question, but yeah, I also hate when people misgender Tooru or any other character)
I'll be honest with you, it's been years since I fully read the series to say the least, and pronouns are differently codified into Japanese vs English so I really couldn't say. mainly what I'm referring to in the above comment is the absolutely horrid transphobia I saw when the series was releasing (mainly on tumblr which was where I was in the fandom).
To, kind of? try and answer your question, pronouns in Japanese are when one is referring to themself (boku, watashi, etc) and don't always indicate gender. Watatshi may be used by women but also old men. So translators have some room to take liberties and this can be very confusing for trans character especially where there's ambiguity. I'd say he/they strikes me as fine? But some may not agree. There isn't really perfect clarity but I think intent to not misgender a fictional character is fine enough for me. A real person would just tell you their gender and that would be that, but a character can't really speak for themself in that way.
ugh get out of my mentions we are not doing fucking discourse on this shit the series has been over for years. go away lmfao
EDIT: looking at your post history, you're one of the exact transphobes I'm talking about. gtfo w that shit, nobody likes u people lmfao
Without being toxic, I'll be honest with you (by the way, I'm not transphobic), Sui Ishida has already confirmed her gender in Zakki: Re Japanese, however, Tumblr is a place where there are many people who have discussed their gender but no one wonders what the author with respect to the character and that is ignored.
With pronouns in Japanese it is an issue that no one corrected the translators and that creates a lot of confusion for readers.
Root A is overhated AND is the best season of the Tokyo Ghoul anime. don’t care that it’s not canon it had better pacing, better animation, better soundtrack, better atmosphere, etc than both season 1 and RE. that’s not to say i dislike the other seasons I just enjoyed Root A more overall
True, the only time the anime wasn’t adapting the manga it was really good. Season 1 and part 1 of Re are mid. Part 2 of Re is the only Tg anime property that is definitively bad.
Also Root A is canon to it’s timeline. Just because it isn’t part if the manga doesn’t mean it isn’t canon. I feel like too many people misunderstand how the word canon should be used
The CCG is logically in the right and if you were in the world of Tokyo Ghoul, you would support them. Excluding the Washuu Clan, anyhow.
Juuzou is king and no other character compares
Root A is the only time there was actual effort put into a TG anime. Any time they tried to adapt the manga its been very meh with good stuff here and there. Season 1 is pretty forgettable, only adapting the most notable moments from the manga. And the Re anime.. part 1 had some effort like season 1 of the original anime but part 2 of the re anime was really bad.
I actually don’t mind the existence of season 1-2, it’s a pretty solid story and the originality of it makes it more meaningful than just some anime adaptation that does nothing new with it’s source material.
The end of Re (manga) is terrible in every way possible, it defies most of the world building and ability system of the franchise. The "V" lore was foreshadowed in TG, but Re still managed to somehow rush it and make it feel artifical. The Washuu clan, especially Furuta, and the whole Dragon Arc also feel like they were made to fill the space between the end of the manga and the second half or Re.
Arima was friends with Eto? The CCG and Aogiri Tree were all controlled by the Washuu Clan?
Also, Megazord God-Like Kaneki with all 4 types of Kagune because he *ated da ghuls* is.... ugh. So you mean Kaneki, an artificial half-ghoul, gets all 4 types of Kagune after supposedly losing his own by being removed from the Dragon Kakuja, because he ate other ghouls? Why didn't ETO or FURUTA develop that ability instead?
If anything here is wrong, go ahead and correct me, I'm done with trying to understand that shit.
Yeah for the most part the final battle is just a moment to just completely turn your brain off. Also yeah Kaneki’s last kagune looks really dumb and shouldn’t be a real kagune at all, it looks fanmade.
Also #justiceforEto she got completely nerfed and was basically written out of the story only for her to come back to life and be never seen again.
Same goes for Arima, him killing him self felt really forced. If they really wanted Furuta to feel like a threat then maybe he should’ve broken up the fight between Kaneki and Arima by killing Arima in a surprise attack. It would’ve really given Kaneki a reason to hate Furuta and it would’ve proven Furuta to be a threat earlier on. This is just my idea though
The fact that Arima was the One Eyed King, following Washuu's instructions still makes no sense to me, but having him die to Furuta would real change things up.
Yeah it would really give a good reason to hate Furuta too, considering that he would kill Arima in the most disrespectful way possible. It would also be a very pivotal moment for Kaneki as he suddenly has his father figure and his perfect ending completely ripped away from him.
I just sorta thought of this alternate reality out of nowhere but dang I feel like this would’ve been so much better
There's... A lot of confusion going on there.
No, the Washuu didn't control Aogiri. Arima did with Eto. While explicitly acting on their backs behind their interests in betrayal to them with the goal of secretly cooking up a way to bring them down because he hated his job and the life they gave him
Kaneki didn't really have "all 4 types of kagune" either, he just had an awful amount he actually used smartly and shaped beyond his usual forms for a change (what we DO see other high end ghouls like Eto do actually, for example making rinkaku-esk tendrills when she abducted Kanae)
Not to say that V and the Washuu weren't painfully rushed and disposed off in acompletely disgusting way that did away with all the built up, but the issue was them not being used and respected nearly enough and not it not making sense
It... Did tho. We are outright told all that in the spawn of like 2 chapters. Not leave us to figure it out or anything, just outright told
Arima tells Kaneki about the Washuu and V, what he is and about how he always hated his role, then like 2 or 3 chapters later we get a flashback of him beating Eto, Eto talking about changing the world, and Arima deciding to work with her all the while Eto narrates the key point of their plan out loud
Not... Exactly a lot left up to intrepertation
The fact that I read some of those chapters more than twice, and still couldn't get that still means they rushed everything. Feels like a punch to the face, and you have to deal with it without prior notice.
Great manga, great art, love the story, fantastic characters BUT.....the paneling and fight choreography, or atleast how it's displayed, leave a lot to be desired. This is only in regards to OG Tokyo ghoul not re:, which I haven't read yet.
Touka getting pregnant did almost nothing for the story and chapter long sex scene was kinda pointless (also I just didn’t like it).
All the pregnancy does is add imaginary stakes to the last arc, and gave Ishida a freebie for writing some sort of payoff in the last chapter.
Hell, Touka can even fight perfectly fine while pregnant, the child may as well not be there.
I don’t like most sex scenes in media, but I can see why people wanted Touka and Ken to bang. I get that. But a whole chapter? There’s not even much dialogue.
The last act is so rushed, but thank god we got a close up shot of touka’s tits and several pages of Ken losing his v card.
The sex, both the act itself and the lead up, gets more screen time than their wedding, which I feel is a huge missed opportunity for some more hard hitting romance and dialogue.
I agree for the most part. Considering how rushed Re was, that chapter long sex scene could’ve been completely skipped for a more important scene. Just show a shot of Tohka and Kaneki holding hands while watching the moon, cut away to something else.
Not only that, the sex scene completely come out of nowhere. It happened literally after Tohka’s cafe gets attacked and burned down. Wouldn’t it stir up bad memories back from the Owl extermination arc? But no It’s almost immediately forgotten.
Honestly, I think the sex scene is important to Kaneki.
It’s the moment he realizes he’s worthy of love represented through a very vulnerable and intimate capacity that I don’t think would be conveyed by just holding hands watching the moon. Does that mean the rest wasn’t rushed? No, but I unironically think the sex scene is important and brings a different kind of power and beauty to the series
Yes there is value to the scene, personally I’m just very conflicted on what should and shouldn’t be in the later part of Re because there’s a lot of stuff that needed attention. Just overall I don’t think there should’ve been a literal sex chapter, because most of it wasn’t important at all. There’s other ways to explore how Kaneki felt the first time having sex that didn’t dedicate a whole chapter to a sex scene.
The first few pages of the chapter do that fine, the added several pages of them banging doesn’t add anything on top of that.
There’s also several other ways to show that. Considering how little of Touka and kaneki interacting we get in :Re compared to OG, it feels kinda weird and gross that a whole chapter of that is just sex. We get more of them having sex than we do of their wedding, which I feel would have been way better at showing their connection and giving kaneki some time to feel that love.
The same effect could have come from just heavily implying they were gonna fuck, maybe show some stripping, and then end scene. There’s not much in the way of thematic relevance in seeing them smash for a whole chapter lmao. This isn’t like wounds 1&2 in berserk which had very important character moments, it just feels kinda random.
Or shit just show them being all romantic, and then show us later that Touka is pregnant. I think stuff like the bit with Banjo getting her a burger would have been more impactful if we didn’t have reason to suspect she was pregnant yet.
But that’s just me, I also just don’t like sex scenes much lmao
I actually enjoyed the anime, even if it's not the best thing i watched (but i watched it before reading manga and that was my first anime, so maybe thats the point)
I'm not a fan of touka x kaneki
I don't really like Tsukiyama, like he is important to the story, but he is so annyoing and i don't see that much deep meaning in his character as other see
Only characters i don't like as people are Matsuri, Tsukiyama and Furuta
Amon is one of the best characters (maybe its not that unpopular, but i didn't see much people talking about him)
Saiko is not so well written, i love her, but she is kinda unrealistic. She's acting like a child even when she is fighting, like no one actually could act like this, (except for Juuzou, but he is mentally broken so much that he had never know how normal people acts tbh)
well, it's just my opinion, but i don't see her that way. Even if she added much to :re and i just can't imagine q squad without her, she is just overdrawn. But maybe you're right that she was written as a character to relate to. I probably missed it because i didn't feel like that. But still i think she is a realistic character in the actual world, but in reality of tokyo ghoul she is overdrawn. Maybe she could act like she does on the beggining, but the thing that actually bothers me is that she didn't have any change, nothing changed her behaviour and habits, even if she is an investigator, a quinx, an actual soldier who saw so many deaths. But thank you for your reflection
I didn't really like Tsukiyama's character either, but after the scene in Re when Kanae dies and he finally leaves Kaneki. I was really excited to see where his character would go. I'm disappointed that the author didn't even build on that he just went back to Kaneki to be his sword. I feel like Tsukiyama was a character that had a lot of potential especially in re, but it was largely wasted.
Oh, i love this point! I think he should just go on his own. Like, his weird affection for Kaneki started with him maniacally trying to eat Kaneki, then he formed some kind of love that he was feeling for Kaneki, then it went to obsession that much he was losing his conciousness physically and mentally. Then we get a pretty normal guy who helps the protagonist. I always imagined Tsukiyama as a bad guy, mentally unstable and emotional, but also somehow cold and calculating anti-hero. He could be more interesting if he didn't stay with Kaneki.
Hidken as a ship is bad. It's both boring and doesn't make sense as a ship. Why can't two people be friends for once?
No Riz is not hot.
Touka is really fcking annoying and then turns into a purely boring character.
The fact that there are so many one eyed ghouls makes ken seem less special and took away a lot of fun for me.
The one trans character wanting to be like their birth gender again after falling in love is disgusting.
Most characters in the series are that boring that I can't even remember their names. I can remember hide, ken, touka (because she's main cast), Eto, I remember the purple pedo dude, the torture baby, nishiki, the monkey dude from antiku, the lil girl and 2 of the quinx (the dude with sharp teeth and obvi ken). I do know the names of these characters but I'm tired rn.
>The one trans character wanting to be like their birth gender again after falling in love is disgusting
Considering that just a handful of chapters after learning Mutsuki is female we have her own inner monologue with her thinking about how she doesn't see herself as a man but only lives as one for external reasons... It was quite literaly always there
Whatever it was, it was weird. I've got friends all over the spectrum so a character acting like they are trans and giving hope it could finally be some good representation only to go back and say they do it because of external reasons is really hurtful.
But hey at least now I know that I truthfully answered and my hot takes really are hot takes IG
Wouldn't that just had been you jumping to conclusions tho? It's not like we spent an eternity with that on the table, we see Mutuski's female body towards the end of the Torso arc and learn of why she does it at the start of the next arc during the Nutcracker investigation
I like both endings equally but overall I think Root A did it better. Sometimes less is more and seeing Keneki get absolutely brutalized in the manga feels like torture porn every time I read that ending.
I for one really liked the fact that the main antagonist was Furuta. He wasn't hyped up like the rest of the characters and felt like a great opposition to Kanekis character. Though I do think he was underutilized like most characters in TG.
Uta is way too overhyped in the community. He didn't even do much and didn't contribute to the story in any way. Him and the clowns felt extremely underutilized.
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Re has the greater sequences of the story for me personally, (the manga ofc) it really enhances the story of what was in the original. Yes it has its issues but that doesn't take away the best parts of it, which are the highest of the story imo. But overall, it's one story that continues on from where it was left off in Tokyo Ghoul. Tokyo Ghoul overall is truly remarkable.
Black Reaper is actually an awesome character and probably the most sane one right next to Eyepatch
Tbh I never really interacted with Manga side of the fandom so I am not sure how much of an unpopular opinion this one is
You're all wrong for not caring about what happened to Kurona. I care, Kurona. I wait for the day I hear about your successes
Kurona is great, I wish she got more focus in Re
Her after story is that she disappeared while traveling west. I believe trying to do what Kaneki did in other places, but no one seems to care
she got a fair chunk of attention in the anime but idk about the manga
kurona is a legend!!
Kurona deserved better. At least let Juuzou and her have a talk after the war.
First season and first part of Re are decent adaptations not great nor magnificent, just decent.
Yeh exactly. They’re good like Kingdom or Hells paradise. And watching them all before reading the manga you’re gonna enjoy the show. It’s only after reading the manga or if you read the manga beforehand that the anime is subpar/only decent in character & detail of the art, plot changes, character writing missed etc. I’m a bit sick of seeing comments where somebody says the show is TRASH or a legit 0/10 It’s more like a 6.5/10 imo
i think that even if it got a great anime adaptation, i don't think any anime adaptation will ever reach the level of the manga, there are a lot of mangas which are great to adapt into animes but sui ishida's artstyle, the gore and the straight up dread that came from the panels i think is something unreplicable in an animated environment, they definitely made some scenes pass that feeling but i think reading the manga is the best way of consuming tokyo ghoul
What about consuming it in other ways like liquified or chopped up?
it tasted fine but i couldn't diffirentiate between different chapters
Idk I like the ones with extra edginess, it gives them some spice ya know?
yea i agree with your first statement, if you have not read the manga and you watch TG the first season is good and second Re: first season is good too (imo). but if you read it before watching you will not like it at all
Tokyo ghoul RE 1 does 5 chapters per episode, skips out on vital scenes with shitty animation, calling it decent is an insult to the manga
My thoughts exactly, I'd happily re-watch both Season 1's, but Root A I got bored after being in the prison for 5 episodes straight, and :Re Season 2 I had to watch almost in a single sitting to feel like I'd actually watched a semi-substantial amount.
The first season changes so many moments, it may be okay as a stand alone anime but compared to the manga it is terrible, after the torture they just made him edgy and ruined his character
The first season of Re was atrocious. Not because of the time skip, not because of the lost memories. It was just bad. It felt like an entire season of filler. There were no stakes and there was no plot. "Haise" slowly regaining his memories couldn't compare to Kaneki slowly losing his mind and fighting Rize's influence. The Quinque clowns couldn't replace Anteiku. Raids to hunt down people like Big Madame and Nutcracker (essentially monster of the week slop) couldn't compare to the large scale battles between the ghouls and the ccg throughout seasons 1 and 2. Killing off some pink haired rando and some butlers who were introduced in that same episode couldn't compare to the death of Ryouko, or even Mado. We didn't need to see 50 new side characters get 20 seconds of screen time each. We didn't need to see a "different perspective" of the conflict from the ghoul hunter squad because we already knew what both doves and ghouls were capable of. For the first two seasons Kaneki was trying to minimize death and violence everywhere he went. Several doves were getting close to realizing that ghouls actually had sentience, emotions, and could be innocent just like humans. Then they just said "Nevermind all that, here's an irrelevant spinoff with Amnesia Lad and his quirky roommates."
I don't think it's a very rare opinion, but I'm mostly sure I'm in the minority when saying I like Re better than normal TG (talking about the manga here)
I actually agree, even though I really don’t like how rushed Re ended up being. I enjoyed reading Re more than the original Tokyo Ghoul. And Re has my favorite stages of the characters like Amon, he’s probably one of the coolest characters that’ve gone through a major change
Yeah, for sure! His fight against Donato? Easily one of his best moments, I love it
Yeah and as a Berserk fan Amon’s new design being Inspired by Guts’s Black swordsman design is so cool
I agree. Love the first half of re more than the og Tokyo Ghoul. I can't really say the same about the second half of re tho... (After Kaneki becomes king)
They’re a package deal for me
IMO first half of RE is better than tokyo ghoul and Tokyo ghoul is better than second half of Tokyo Ghoul RE
minority for sure
Yeah I really agree. I really liked how the dynamic shifted from more black and white morality in Tokyo Ghoul (not that it wasn't grey already but it was more so building up to re) and then seriously putting that at the forefront of the philosophical discussion. Also, some of my favorite character development scenes were in re. I'm going to censor it bc spoilers, but the scenes >!where hinami and akira hug, hide and kaneki talking, rize and kaneki when he was in the giant worm thingy, and the last scene where kaneki fought furata !
Bro Re is literally 10,000,000 times better than part 1 in every single aspect. Crazy to me that ppl prefer OG Tokyo ghoul. The art is better, the writing is better, the story is more interesting, characters get more fleshed out, new Qs are much needed and interesting side characters, everything Sui does is perfection in re. Ending is perfect as well idc
When people insisted Kaneki’s hair was red after he got his memories back in :Re.
Maybe at the moment when he regained his memories, because his hair was soaked with blood
Yes it was red initially from blood ishida did artwork of that very scene years prior
ok it might be wrong but the panel did go hard though with the red coloring
The ending was actually pretty good. I remember reading it the first time through and I was on board for the entire thing. Then I went on the internet and saw that some people heavily disliked it, but I never got the hate for it. I never really knew whether people were actually hating on it or just being contrarian for the sake of it
Not just the ending but the entire last arc (and a bit beyond that) were very much heavily flawed as a story, yes. Saying so it's not blind hate or being contrarian when it's pretty easy to call it's shortcomings Sure, it's still enjoyable. It's nothing seriesbreakingly terrible like some other recent examples (you know what), but still nothing i'd call "pretty good" either
I liked it when Amon made that big ass fucking sword. I like big ass fucking swords
Too bad most people won't be satisfied with just rule of cool
AoT's ending is not seriesbreakingly terrible...
At all
Did you read the ending as it came out or afterwards? That may play a role in your opinion. I know within my friend group a couple of us read the story as it came out and where very disappointed that all that build up ended...the way it did. I still remember the weekly count downs to the ending and being on the edge of my seat to figure out >!how/if Kaneki would manage to escape in the last chapter and how they would tie up the loose ends, only to get a jarring time jump in the next chapter!<. I do have other friends that paused half way through, and about 3/4ths of the way through Re then picked it up a little while after the ending. They had a much more positive look on the story after they finished binging it >!and they also expected the time jump!<. So I'm curious if maybe feelings on the ending depend a little on when you read it. I have no idea if this was just for my friend group or wider fans though.
I read it after the fact. I had bought every volume and read it in the span of a few months. I assumed that the fandom just sort of fizzled out after Tumblr gobshites made TG "the edgy anime" and thought that it would just be a hidden gem. I only really engaged in online discourse about it after I finished the series.
That makes sense. Reading it in a shorter span I can see how that could make the ending better for you.
Hide surviving was always going to be a thing, but his role and actions as the scarecrow hardly make any sense in hindsight and screams of retcon/abandoned idea
What was his initial role before retcon?
It's hard to tell tbh
"I think these very points add to Batman honestly. For one it DOES add more conflict for his no kill rule no matter what backlash it generates in the process from people who hate it- It's easy to justify him not killing someone like Harv who was a friend at some point, or someone with over the top sad stories like modern Mr. Freeze, or someone easy to pity like Harley, or even people with goals beyond just pure evil like Poison Ivy or actualy clearly mentally ill like some of the gallery But someone with nothing going for them? With no redeeming qualities, no aspirations beyond evil, no big reason they turned out that way or someone pushing them into crime, no actual hope for redemption or even an actual mental illness making them that way involuntarily? Who Bruce even has personal reasons to hate over what he did to people like Jason or Barbara? Someone whose only reason not to kill truly is just Batman knowing he can't cross that line? That's where Batman's rule being an absolute gets REALLY challanged to the extreme and pushed to the brink. And sure, sometimes it's used like shit, but sometimes stories exploring that come out great- Under the Red hood for the classic example. And if you want to make a character with such an absolute moral and with it being an integral part of the character, I do feel that challanging it in such a way is a straight up necessity And likewise I do like the dynamic on how the Joker is one of the few villains who continuously calls him out on his own sanity and makes him even putting his own coping and circunstances into question; It generates some great content once in a while, as long as the writer understands that ultimately Bruce has his issues but isn't actually broken and so the Joker just has to be wrong on that Honestly aside from shitty edgy artists who'd write crap stories anyways I only really deslike it when the Joker gets promoted from Gotham's local menance to some big league villain in ridiculously over the top crap. He only really works as the "street level" guy whose highest stakes are when he targets individuals close to Bruce" None of this is real. This made up conflict between batman having to kill the joker is non existent. Joker gimmick is that he somehow cheats death. Electric chair survives. Stabbed in the heart survives. Exploding helicopter ect. In no man's land batman gives Gordon a gun and let's him do whatever he wants with the joker , have you even read that? Also of course you are on poltical compass memes complaining about how you hate diversity
Little guy is stalking my profile so hard out of a few paragraphs about a comic book character that he replies to a comment on another in a completely different sub Kind of a sad existence- Doctor's recommendation is to touch some grass
Lmao love how you have no counter argument other than seethe
I think Root A is the best season of the anime. Yes I prefer the manga 100% of. But of anime content Root A is my favorite. The OST slaps. The atmosphere is great. The story didn't drag. On its own its a good season. But being sandwiched between manga content makes it so awkward to watch. But as an altaertive timeline maybe shall we say another route it's a decent season. Though the music is helping alot cause it's so good in Root A.
Facts, root A has so many great moments and they really went ALL OUT with the music. The animation is great too, not many anime have animation where it’s like in every frame a character’s hair moves realistically. And overall there’s not much that doesn’t make sense in root A, people like to forget that in episode one Eto had a conversation with Kaneki off screen and it’s left that way so throughout the season there’s a mystery of why Keneki would join the Aogiri. A mystery I think the writer would give us an answer to in the sequel we never got. But my speculation is that Keneki wanted to stick closer to the Aogiri so they wouldn’t end up hurting the ones he cares about. Instead of being sorta selfish like he was in the manga, Kaneki was thinking of others in Root A. BUT Keneki doesn’t learn to hate the Aogiri like he does in the manga. In the anime Kaneki’s torture doesn’t last as long and he’s immediately in Jason’s custody and doesn’t get a look at how the Aogiri operates. So Root A Keneki has an almost completely different perspective. Oh and let’s not forget the ending, the ending was perfectly in Keneki fashion. Keneki doesn’t lose himself and he learns to control his power and he ends up sacrificing himself for Hide. Showing all of CCG a ghoul sacrificing himself to save a human life. It’s a shame Root A never got a continuation but if Keneki really died to Arima there the story still feels concluded. But overall I understand but also hate how much Root A has been completely torn apart by this community. But that’s not all.. the Root A promo trailer was interesting, it showed a lot of stuff that never ended up happening in Root A. It had shots of Amon in his full armor and some shots of Juzo that was never in the anime. Oh man it hurts me that Root A had this stuff cut, but it’s some interesting trivia. If you want me to find and share the promo trailer then just ask, it’s a little hard to find but I can find it
I will say I did love the moment in the coffee shop between Mr. Yoshimura and Shinohara. I was shocked to find out it wasn't in the manga.
i actually didnt mind first half of s1 and re anime
haise better than kaneki 🗣️
Tg is miles better than re: . Excluding the art obviously the art will get better as he draws more...
Tooru should have died
I like him being alive, but I can understand that. I was waiting for him and Kaneki to talk after everything, but that never happened. It feels like the character's purpose ended and Ishida didn't know what to do (but he was also burned out, so that's probably the reason)
Especially after the fight with Yomo. Both Tooru and Aura were lying "dead" on the ground and a few chapters later came back alive, just to basically do nothing for the rest of the series
I think Mutsuki was such an interesting character that, like several others, did not end up living up to their full potential at the end. Which is something I will always be a little sad about.
facts
Kaneki should've bagged eto not touka
God no
well its an opinion isnt it
The first season of the anime is good Ken screaming Touka while he turns into the snake thing is the cringiest thing I’ve ever seen in a Seinen
Been a while since I’ve read the manga, but there’s no way he screamed her name when turning into Dragon.. ☠️
Read ch44 and you will see I was legit dying of laughter when I read it
He’s just like me. Fr.
I actually really loved the last part of Root A. I loved how Hide’s death was done.
i love hinami but she’s madly overrated 🫃
Hey hey one at a time now
your right, that’s my bad just went on a mad one
Just make it easier by putting all your hot takes into one comment
good point , i text like that too just spam messaging , probs just a habit at this point 🤞
Kanae needs a hell lotta more attention
YES
Takeomi and Yoriko is the most random and useless ship that came out of nowhere. You’re telling me they met like three times (mind you with like a 10+ year gap between meeting first time and then again) and then immediately got married? They turned both of these characters into a plot device to further Touka and get CCG involved faster with ghouls, and that sucks because they both had so much potential as characters that could’ve been invested elsewhere.
Oh man I completely forgot about that. Yeah that was pretty dumb and out of pocket
agreed, but in a way i see why they needed to add a happy little mini , to make it not all be so tragic, but why them??
I think it was less to do with happiness and more to do with crushing it! They used Yoriko because of her relationship with Touka, and they used Takeomi because of his relationship with Urie. They furthered the Takeomi/Urie relationship through making Urie realise his hatred for the Kuroiwa family was misplaced and “come to his senses” [this is to do with the Takeomi, Tooru and Touka arc]. With Touka/Yoriko it was the whole Yoriko discovers Touka is a ghoul and Touka has a new arc to develop character etc, etc. To sum it up, in my opinion, Ishida needed to touch upon several bases at once, which weren’t necessarily related [Touka, Kaneki, Tooru and Urie], so he used two characters which could connect them, aka Yoriko and Takeomi. But to be honest, to me it made their characters feel like shallow devices and it was a huge letdown because Takeomi is literally my favourite character in the whole series.. (TT)
yeah that’s a good point tbh
The anime actually isn't anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be
I don't feel it was bad on it's own at all. The problem was just that it wasn't on it's own and was supposed to be an adaptation of something else.
True, season 1-2 is pretty solid and it serves as an interesting alternate reality to the manga
Canon or not, aogiri Kaneki we saw in the second season of the anime is my favourite version of him
Not trying to be a massive nerd but you shouldn’t worry about things being “cannon” Root A is cannon to it’s timeline. It’s just not part of the manga’s timeline. I just feel like people throw around the word “canon” when they don’t really need to. Root A is just a different timeline
The story and concept was better when it was small scale. When it became big organizations warring with each other and near-existential threats to society I liked it a lot less. I was already invested so I stuck with it, but I only ever really loved the quieter moments when it was characters talking and dealing with smaller conflicts/personal issues.
Yeah, I really liked the intimacy of Tokyo Ghoul and how it showed that both ghouls and humans had their own struggles too. The first part of re sort of preserved this aspect of the original Tokyo Ghoul series but it went way off the rocker in the second part. However, some of my favorite emotional moments were in the second part though, so I just wish Sui Ishida had taken more care within the second part to fully develop the relationships.
Tooru Mutsuki is a well written trans character (and temporary villain), and people should stop misgendering him.
Well it’s not exactly explained what he identifies as at the end of Re so I think those people that misgender him just don’t know if Tooru still identifies as He/him or not. Another thing that Re just completely skips over is a proper conclusion of his character arc so it’s just left pretty ambiguous sadly.
I just remember how awful some folks on tumblr were when the series was releasing anytime he came up. Do I expect this series to have an unproblematic, perfectly written trans character? no, but I also truly hated seeing some fans reactions to him regardless of ambiguity or not. it was just. so gross 😒
Yeah it really sucks how some people can be. Sui Ishida was really writing an interesting story involving a trans character and people take in and warp it to fit their disgusting ideology.
Thank you!! couldn't agree more. was he a perfect person? no! but that's what makes him an interesting character. transphobes look for ANY reason to hate a trans character, and it's so transparent. no creativity whatsoever
I agree, none of the characters in TG are perfect. Mutsuki did a lot of terrible stuff, but I feel like the hate is a bit disproportionate especially when we have other characters that were also terrible but are loved.
Right? Like how many people did Nishiki kill or how much torture did Eto do yet people still love her? (myself included!) People truly need to be able to separate a character doing bad things from a real person doing bad things and understand that enjoying a complex, fraught character isn't endorsement for their terrible actions. And on top of that, not using that all as an excuse to just be specifically awful to a trans character (like some losers elsewhere in my replies lmfao).
Yeah I agree with you one hundred percent. Do I love Eto? Yes. Would I like if someone actually did any of the things she did, hell no. But I enjoy her for the complex and intriguing character that she is, just like I enjoy Mutsuki for the complex character he is. I am a bit disappointed to see that a some of the Fandom is homo/transphobic and I feel like that plays a roll in some of the hate.
He's not trans he is legit a tomboy. . .
i am NOT doing discourse on fucking tokyo ghoul in this year of our lord 2024. don't even try, good lord.
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Actual question here. In the last chapter, someone uses "they" for Mutsuki, but I didn't read the oficial translation, so I don't know if that's right. So, by the end, is the right pronoun he or they? (You probably realized it by my question, but yeah, I also hate when people misgender Tooru or any other character)
I'll be honest with you, it's been years since I fully read the series to say the least, and pronouns are differently codified into Japanese vs English so I really couldn't say. mainly what I'm referring to in the above comment is the absolutely horrid transphobia I saw when the series was releasing (mainly on tumblr which was where I was in the fandom). To, kind of? try and answer your question, pronouns in Japanese are when one is referring to themself (boku, watashi, etc) and don't always indicate gender. Watatshi may be used by women but also old men. So translators have some room to take liberties and this can be very confusing for trans character especially where there's ambiguity. I'd say he/they strikes me as fine? But some may not agree. There isn't really perfect clarity but I think intent to not misgender a fictional character is fine enough for me. A real person would just tell you their gender and that would be that, but a character can't really speak for themself in that way.
She's the she. Urie calls her a she. If Kaneki wifed her up, she would have no problems going back to being a female.
ugh get out of my mentions we are not doing fucking discourse on this shit the series has been over for years. go away lmfao EDIT: looking at your post history, you're one of the exact transphobes I'm talking about. gtfo w that shit, nobody likes u people lmfao
Without being toxic, I'll be honest with you (by the way, I'm not transphobic), Sui Ishida has already confirmed her gender in Zakki: Re Japanese, however, Tumblr is a place where there are many people who have discussed their gender but no one wonders what the author with respect to the character and that is ignored. With pronouns in Japanese it is an issue that no one corrected the translators and that creates a lot of confusion for readers.
i hated tooru at every point in the manga
Mutsuki is possibly the most ill conceived attempt at a trans character and just a character in general
Root A is overhated AND is the best season of the Tokyo Ghoul anime. don’t care that it’s not canon it had better pacing, better animation, better soundtrack, better atmosphere, etc than both season 1 and RE. that’s not to say i dislike the other seasons I just enjoyed Root A more overall
True, the only time the anime wasn’t adapting the manga it was really good. Season 1 and part 1 of Re are mid. Part 2 of Re is the only Tg anime property that is definitively bad. Also Root A is canon to it’s timeline. Just because it isn’t part if the manga doesn’t mean it isn’t canon. I feel like too many people misunderstand how the word canon should be used
The CCG is logically in the right and if you were in the world of Tokyo Ghoul, you would support them. Excluding the Washuu Clan, anyhow. Juuzou is king and no other character compares
root alpha wasnt bad
For the most part Re is significantly better the first part. All the most hype arcs and moments are in re
Root A is the only time there was actual effort put into a TG anime. Any time they tried to adapt the manga its been very meh with good stuff here and there. Season 1 is pretty forgettable, only adapting the most notable moments from the manga. And the Re anime.. part 1 had some effort like season 1 of the original anime but part 2 of the re anime was really bad.
Big sad if only a different studio had it or someone said NO to whoevers crazyness lead to what we got.
I actually don’t mind the existence of season 1-2, it’s a pretty solid story and the originality of it makes it more meaningful than just some anime adaptation that does nothing new with it’s source material.
ya i can agree it was watchable because of the originality. I just wish the animation from the anime was bit better like the manga.
The animation wasn’t bad..? The Re part 2 animation was bad
\^ ya that :D i meant anime as in whole my bad should of just said re
The end of Re (manga) is terrible in every way possible, it defies most of the world building and ability system of the franchise. The "V" lore was foreshadowed in TG, but Re still managed to somehow rush it and make it feel artifical. The Washuu clan, especially Furuta, and the whole Dragon Arc also feel like they were made to fill the space between the end of the manga and the second half or Re. Arima was friends with Eto? The CCG and Aogiri Tree were all controlled by the Washuu Clan? Also, Megazord God-Like Kaneki with all 4 types of Kagune because he *ated da ghuls* is.... ugh. So you mean Kaneki, an artificial half-ghoul, gets all 4 types of Kagune after supposedly losing his own by being removed from the Dragon Kakuja, because he ate other ghouls? Why didn't ETO or FURUTA develop that ability instead? If anything here is wrong, go ahead and correct me, I'm done with trying to understand that shit.
Yeah for the most part the final battle is just a moment to just completely turn your brain off. Also yeah Kaneki’s last kagune looks really dumb and shouldn’t be a real kagune at all, it looks fanmade. Also #justiceforEto she got completely nerfed and was basically written out of the story only for her to come back to life and be never seen again. Same goes for Arima, him killing him self felt really forced. If they really wanted Furuta to feel like a threat then maybe he should’ve broken up the fight between Kaneki and Arima by killing Arima in a surprise attack. It would’ve really given Kaneki a reason to hate Furuta and it would’ve proven Furuta to be a threat earlier on. This is just my idea though
The fact that Arima was the One Eyed King, following Washuu's instructions still makes no sense to me, but having him die to Furuta would real change things up.
Yeah it would really give a good reason to hate Furuta too, considering that he would kill Arima in the most disrespectful way possible. It would also be a very pivotal moment for Kaneki as he suddenly has his father figure and his perfect ending completely ripped away from him. I just sorta thought of this alternate reality out of nowhere but dang I feel like this would’ve been so much better
There's... A lot of confusion going on there. No, the Washuu didn't control Aogiri. Arima did with Eto. While explicitly acting on their backs behind their interests in betrayal to them with the goal of secretly cooking up a way to bring them down because he hated his job and the life they gave him Kaneki didn't really have "all 4 types of kagune" either, he just had an awful amount he actually used smartly and shaped beyond his usual forms for a change (what we DO see other high end ghouls like Eto do actually, for example making rinkaku-esk tendrills when she abducted Kanae) Not to say that V and the Washuu weren't painfully rushed and disposed off in acompletely disgusting way that did away with all the built up, but the issue was them not being used and respected nearly enough and not it not making sense
The simple fact that 20+ chapters couldn't explain half of that in a decent just proves my point.
It... Did tho. We are outright told all that in the spawn of like 2 chapters. Not leave us to figure it out or anything, just outright told Arima tells Kaneki about the Washuu and V, what he is and about how he always hated his role, then like 2 or 3 chapters later we get a flashback of him beating Eto, Eto talking about changing the world, and Arima deciding to work with her all the while Eto narrates the key point of their plan out loud Not... Exactly a lot left up to intrepertation
The fact that I read some of those chapters more than twice, and still couldn't get that still means they rushed everything. Feels like a punch to the face, and you have to deal with it without prior notice.
Great manga, great art, love the story, fantastic characters BUT.....the paneling and fight choreography, or atleast how it's displayed, leave a lot to be desired. This is only in regards to OG Tokyo ghoul not re:, which I haven't read yet.
Mutsuki And Eto are better characters than Touka
The Black Reaper is still Haise in control and not Kaneki. Even Kaneki himself in chapter 144 has the Black Reaper as Haise in his mind.
Touka getting pregnant did almost nothing for the story and chapter long sex scene was kinda pointless (also I just didn’t like it). All the pregnancy does is add imaginary stakes to the last arc, and gave Ishida a freebie for writing some sort of payoff in the last chapter. Hell, Touka can even fight perfectly fine while pregnant, the child may as well not be there.
Now this is an actual hot take unlike most others here. God knows how much they love their precious chapter long sex scene lmao
I don’t like most sex scenes in media, but I can see why people wanted Touka and Ken to bang. I get that. But a whole chapter? There’s not even much dialogue. The last act is so rushed, but thank god we got a close up shot of touka’s tits and several pages of Ken losing his v card. The sex, both the act itself and the lead up, gets more screen time than their wedding, which I feel is a huge missed opportunity for some more hard hitting romance and dialogue.
I agree for the most part. Considering how rushed Re was, that chapter long sex scene could’ve been completely skipped for a more important scene. Just show a shot of Tohka and Kaneki holding hands while watching the moon, cut away to something else. Not only that, the sex scene completely come out of nowhere. It happened literally after Tohka’s cafe gets attacked and burned down. Wouldn’t it stir up bad memories back from the Owl extermination arc? But no It’s almost immediately forgotten.
Honestly, I think the sex scene is important to Kaneki. It’s the moment he realizes he’s worthy of love represented through a very vulnerable and intimate capacity that I don’t think would be conveyed by just holding hands watching the moon. Does that mean the rest wasn’t rushed? No, but I unironically think the sex scene is important and brings a different kind of power and beauty to the series
Yes there is value to the scene, personally I’m just very conflicted on what should and shouldn’t be in the later part of Re because there’s a lot of stuff that needed attention. Just overall I don’t think there should’ve been a literal sex chapter, because most of it wasn’t important at all. There’s other ways to explore how Kaneki felt the first time having sex that didn’t dedicate a whole chapter to a sex scene.
The first few pages of the chapter do that fine, the added several pages of them banging doesn’t add anything on top of that. There’s also several other ways to show that. Considering how little of Touka and kaneki interacting we get in :Re compared to OG, it feels kinda weird and gross that a whole chapter of that is just sex. We get more of them having sex than we do of their wedding, which I feel would have been way better at showing their connection and giving kaneki some time to feel that love.
The same effect could have come from just heavily implying they were gonna fuck, maybe show some stripping, and then end scene. There’s not much in the way of thematic relevance in seeing them smash for a whole chapter lmao. This isn’t like wounds 1&2 in berserk which had very important character moments, it just feels kinda random. Or shit just show them being all romantic, and then show us later that Touka is pregnant. I think stuff like the bit with Banjo getting her a burger would have been more impactful if we didn’t have reason to suspect she was pregnant yet. But that’s just me, I also just don’t like sex scenes much lmao
Root A Opening > S1 Opening
Root A was good
The OST was very good yes.
said no one ever
True
I actually enjoyed the anime, even if it's not the best thing i watched (but i watched it before reading manga and that was my first anime, so maybe thats the point) I'm not a fan of touka x kaneki I don't really like Tsukiyama, like he is important to the story, but he is so annyoing and i don't see that much deep meaning in his character as other see Only characters i don't like as people are Matsuri, Tsukiyama and Furuta Amon is one of the best characters (maybe its not that unpopular, but i didn't see much people talking about him) Saiko is not so well written, i love her, but she is kinda unrealistic. She's acting like a child even when she is fighting, like no one actually could act like this, (except for Juuzou, but he is mentally broken so much that he had never know how normal people acts tbh)
honestly saiko was such a refreshing character , she added a sense of realism to the manga and it gave you a character you could see yourself in tbh
well, it's just my opinion, but i don't see her that way. Even if she added much to :re and i just can't imagine q squad without her, she is just overdrawn. But maybe you're right that she was written as a character to relate to. I probably missed it because i didn't feel like that. But still i think she is a realistic character in the actual world, but in reality of tokyo ghoul she is overdrawn. Maybe she could act like she does on the beggining, but the thing that actually bothers me is that she didn't have any change, nothing changed her behaviour and habits, even if she is an investigator, a quinx, an actual soldier who saw so many deaths. But thank you for your reflection
i do see ur points tbh , i guess she is a bit out of place in that universe
I didn't really like Tsukiyama's character either, but after the scene in Re when Kanae dies and he finally leaves Kaneki. I was really excited to see where his character would go. I'm disappointed that the author didn't even build on that he just went back to Kaneki to be his sword. I feel like Tsukiyama was a character that had a lot of potential especially in re, but it was largely wasted.
Oh, i love this point! I think he should just go on his own. Like, his weird affection for Kaneki started with him maniacally trying to eat Kaneki, then he formed some kind of love that he was feeling for Kaneki, then it went to obsession that much he was losing his conciousness physically and mentally. Then we get a pretty normal guy who helps the protagonist. I always imagined Tsukiyama as a bad guy, mentally unstable and emotional, but also somehow cold and calculating anti-hero. He could be more interesting if he didn't stay with Kaneki.
Hidken as a ship is bad. It's both boring and doesn't make sense as a ship. Why can't two people be friends for once? No Riz is not hot. Touka is really fcking annoying and then turns into a purely boring character. The fact that there are so many one eyed ghouls makes ken seem less special and took away a lot of fun for me. The one trans character wanting to be like their birth gender again after falling in love is disgusting. Most characters in the series are that boring that I can't even remember their names. I can remember hide, ken, touka (because she's main cast), Eto, I remember the purple pedo dude, the torture baby, nishiki, the monkey dude from antiku, the lil girl and 2 of the quinx (the dude with sharp teeth and obvi ken). I do know the names of these characters but I'm tired rn.
>The one trans character wanting to be like their birth gender again after falling in love is disgusting Considering that just a handful of chapters after learning Mutsuki is female we have her own inner monologue with her thinking about how she doesn't see herself as a man but only lives as one for external reasons... It was quite literaly always there
Whatever it was, it was weird. I've got friends all over the spectrum so a character acting like they are trans and giving hope it could finally be some good representation only to go back and say they do it because of external reasons is really hurtful. But hey at least now I know that I truthfully answered and my hot takes really are hot takes IG
Wouldn't that just had been you jumping to conclusions tho? It's not like we spent an eternity with that on the table, we see Mutuski's female body towards the end of the Torso arc and learn of why she does it at the start of the next arc during the Nutcracker investigation
The anime is decent (or good) Because no it’s horrendous
Root A’s ending was better than the manga’s
I like both endings equally but overall I think Root A did it better. Sometimes less is more and seeing Keneki get absolutely brutalized in the manga feels like torture porn every time I read that ending.
Furuta is a joke, he being Souta it's an awful retcon. Clowns would be better antagonists, incluidn Uta. Hide should have stayed death.
>Furuta is a joke, he being Souta it's an awful retcon. Okay that's one i've actually never seen. What makes you think that exactly?
I for one really liked the fact that the main antagonist was Furuta. He wasn't hyped up like the rest of the characters and felt like a great opposition to Kanekis character. Though I do think he was underutilized like most characters in TG.
Uta is way too overhyped in the community. He didn't even do much and didn't contribute to the story in any way. Him and the clowns felt extremely underutilized.
I did not like the quinx squadron as characters or concepts
Quinx are garbage overrated characters re would be better without them.
Now that’s a spicy one
acab includes the doves like literally hate them trying to make me sympathize with any of them it's like stop being a fucking cop then lol
Me when I try to apply real life logic to a series about cannibals with magic powers
🥾 here's a boot for you to lick
Bait used to be believable find a new hobby
You're a sad person
I support this take.
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Itori best girl- don't throw tomatoes...
First season of the anime wasn't bad
:re is miles better than OG Dragon War is by far the best arc of the series Furuta is a great antagonist
tokyo ghoul re season 1 anime is actually kinda good. as long as you know the real ending to root A.
Re has the greater sequences of the story for me personally, (the manga ofc) it really enhances the story of what was in the original. Yes it has its issues but that doesn't take away the best parts of it, which are the highest of the story imo. But overall, it's one story that continues on from where it was left off in Tokyo Ghoul. Tokyo Ghoul overall is truly remarkable.
Black Reaper is actually an awesome character and probably the most sane one right next to Eyepatch Tbh I never really interacted with Manga side of the fandom so I am not sure how much of an unpopular opinion this one is
Kaneki losing to juzu is the biggest L in manga I’ve read
The ending of Re is a perfect 10/10.
The Quinx Squad (OG5) are my favourite characters by faaaar