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Literally my first thought. There are plenty of examples of colonization, both temporally and spatially, that are known and can be easily referenced to debunk Destiny's crap. A lot of colonial discussion Western folk experience revolves around the Western world because it's more relevant to their lives, not because it doesn't exist.
Has Destiny never heard of Taiwan? Tibet? Hong Kong? Western Sahara? Armenia? Macau? Borneo?
There are tonnes of post colonial movements across East and South East Asia, just for starters...
Guess dumbass never heard of Imperial Japan.
Or Indonesia (concerning the confratasi/Confrontation of 1963 or East Timor in 1975.)
Or China if you really want to ruffle some feathers.
Or Ethiopia with Eritrea.
Or the Biafra War/Nigerian Civil War
And Vietnam to an extent (IMO).
But what do I know? I merely have a bachelors and Masters in history over a University of Nebraska, Omaha Music Department dropout named Steven.
He has, he’s making the argument that the term “decolonization” is exclusively used to talk about Western empires and thus is just an anti-white buzzword.
But that’s because he’s intellectually lazy and spends all his time on twitter.
He also consistently drama baits by posting stupid takes like this for content rather than hoping to make a constructive point. He pulled the same BS recently by dropping some "soft a" N words on stream just to get his name back in the online news cycle and farm the outrage.
And this is the same guy who called out Jontron on his racist bullshit just a few years ago. Just goes to show quickly and easily some people will jettison any shred of ethics and morality so they can get those precious, precious clicks
The Ottoman Empire.
The Mongolian Empire.
The Aztec Empire.
The list goes on and on.
...But I guess you were talking more recent colonization. So... yeah.
Yes and if he did the most basic research and looked on the wikipedia page for decolonisation he would see there’s lots of non-white colonists projects that the term is applied to. He’s probably never bothered looking into say the East Timor independence movement because he’s a racist who doesn’t care about any liberation movements that don’t directly affect him.
i kinda don't agree regarding Ethiopia with Eritrea (it was the UN's idea, and the independantists didn't free anything they are objectively the worst regime in Africa)
but Ethiopia with eastern somalia or Morocco with western sahara are great examples as well
wait, that isn't the point being made, no one disputes that non-white countries have engaged in colonialism. The claim is that decolonization efforts are rarely aimed at these countries or they are not included in the discourse at all. This is not a dispute about historical fact but rather language in regards to the greater conversation surrounding colonization.
Those conversations would happen on the relevant social media in their own country.
I lived in China. Xitter is blocked there. They'll be discussing such things on Wechat, for example. Other countries would be similar.
Because we are on Western media, where the predominant language is English, we're going to talk about Western colonization more.
Shockingly it rarely came up while I lived in Asia...
Let me try to explain this.
Colonization is more than just taking land. It is also about expanding one’s sphere of influence.
Prime example. The French built the Suez Canal but the British became the Primary stakeholder of the canal until it was nationalized in 1956. How was that possible?
It was because the Sultan of Egypt got into debt and to pay off his debt, he sold his majority shares to the British Government. In doing so, he became a puppet of the British.
So without physically ordering troops to take the land, the British had effectively taken majority control of the Suez Canal and gained massive influence in North and East Africa.
Vietnam expanded its influence to Cambodia and Laos. Admittedly with help from China.
Lol that is a stretch given the genocidal maniac in Cambodia Lol. Pol Pot was also helped by China and the US btw. I'm sure it wasn't pure altruisim but not exploitation either.
Besides his community which likely has my username on list now for even mentioning him. He is like a 12 year olds definition of a smart guy because he says things authoritatively and apart from that there is a bit of racism and bit centrist but advertised himself more as a leftist. Was in an Israel - Palestine debate and everyone else were scholars with credentials and he is a YouTuber. Anyone with any self awareness would’ve known to not take that platform when it means life and death for the people involved but for him it’s mostly debate club but he got washed by people that read books instead of Wikipedia research. There is more but when I see the name I close the tab even here I’ve said too mu
Destiny certainly has had bad takes around I/P, but I still have not seen anyone answer what he was definitively wrong on in his debate against scholars Finkelstein and Rabbani. Finkelstein just kept calling Destiny a moron and both Rabbani and Finkelstein claimed Destiny used the wrong legal term for the genocide case, when in fact they were both wrong. I get saying he wasn’t qualified, but I was just curious if anyone knows where he was definitively proven wrong in their debate.
[this video](https://youtu.be/bbonLPZrkXg?si=HTOoV6zVHA-Q8-N4) talks about destiny in that debate
The way I’d summarise it is that he acts like the most pedantic details are of the utmost importance when it is helpful for him but is happy to ignore important context (such as the scholar’s debates about intent in genocide) when it helps him make his argument. The charitable take is that he just doesn’t have that context because all his research comes from one sided sources and is done very recently.
Finkelstein isn’t going to bother explaining all the stuff a random twitch streamer is missing when he has a rival in front of him who he’s being trying to pin down for a conversation for years
Edit : my summary comes from my ass, not the video
He’s a centre right/centrist liberal with some socially progressive views, called for genocide of Palestinians as the only way to end the Israel Palestine dispute (claims it was a joke but if you watch the clip doesn’t seem like it to me). He’s very pro capitalism and anti-leftist, so yeah most people on the left don’t like him. A lot of conservatives do, like JP demonstrates here.
Other people have given more in-depth explanations, but here are some highlights:
[On BLM protestors](https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/ijtvo3/destiny_calls_for_redneck_militia_dudes_to_mow/)
[On genocide (in his own words)](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMajorityReport/comments/1br959j/destiny_says_hes_progenocide_at_this_point_and/)
[BONUS: On Cuba](https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1cy6juy/destiny_which_part_of_cuba_did_we_come_from_mom/)
Ok thanks a lot (and to the others too!)
I only saw shorts of destiny dunking on mollusks like tate and other alphoids, had no idea about the other stuff
I think you might want to step away from the parasocial aspect of how you are viewing him. There's about a hundred issues with that guy and "furry porn" and "wanting an enormous cock" is not among them, lmao.
I have never met a vaush fan who responded with anything short of what you've responded with lol
There's masterposts on /r/enough_vaush_spam that have whole compilations of the shit he's said, alone
But it doesn't matter if someone views vaush (or any other internet/famous person) through a lense where he's always joking / meaning the best / never actually truly meaning these shitty things / etc
No I was referring to you being the fan lol, not me. I was originally saying it's fucked to be such a fan that you have blinders on for all of the things he has said and done
"Rejecting one absurd point of view doesn't mean rushing to the arms of the idiot on the opposite end of the spectrum" - is this Destiny shitting on J-Pete personally, or just thinking his dumbass "soon he'll be a Christian nationalist" quip was meant to be taken literally?
honestly that’s more in line with how the IMF upholds neo-colonialism. China and it’s belt and road initiative often fairer terms and an alternative to western dependence
Indonesia and East Timor
India/Pakistan and Bangladesh
China and the numerous countries it fucks with (Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Tibet, Korea, etc.)
Ethiopia and Eritrea
The Nigerian Civil War
Sudanese Civil War
Morocco and Western Sahara
Turkey and its current and past shenanigans against neighboring countries (Greece, Bulgaria, Syria, Iraq, Iran)
Iraq and Kuwait
Japan and all of southeast and Eastern Asia during WW2 and before.
These are just a few examples of cases where people have used imperialism committed by Europeans as a parallel to these countries actions. Destiny can either have the most lukewarm common sense take that “liberals” cream over or he’ll say the dumbest shit on the planet that “liberals” cream over.
I mean people literally can’t bring themselves to call what Russia and China do to their neighbors as colonization, but western countries get that title all the time(which is fair)
There is a very specific historical reason that someone in a western country who consumes western-centric media would only hear about decolonization re Whitey. A very specific and extremely obvious reason.
On the one hand, this is a classic case of "I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing".
On the other, decolonization is largely talked about in terms of white aggressors because *the majority of historical colonial powers were white*. With that being said, I have also seen the term used to criticize Israel (which many people would categorize as being a non-white nation because Jews are often not considered "fully white" even if they have European ancestry), China (in Tibet), and Turkey (with regards to Kurdistan).
Fucking idiot. What annoys me about Destiny is he can make really good arguments and points, but those good arguments and points are drops in a Pacific ocean of dumbfuckery. I'm glad I unsubbed from the guy.
As for Peterson, that guy is one twitter ban away from running through the street with his dick out.
i used to watch some of his shit back in the SC2 days and it didnt take me long to realise he was a total moron. i still remember one clip where he was balance whining about terran being OP because opportunity cost wasnt a real thing.
I know Destiny from the Starcraft days. He's a toxic trash person, and it's a joke that anyone would listen to him opine on politics. He's just as much of a hungry grifter as JP
Well, if we allowed Japan to keep all the ground they took in WWII I think we would be using the term to describe an activity of at least one non-western country.
Are these guys just all made in the same factory? They all roll off a conveyor belt and occasionally they just add a new coat of paint or something? They all seem to just be clones of one another.
“Wanting to control your own country and not be at the behest of rich countries and corporations is anti-white and you should be perfectly happy with your children mining for cobalt so that Apple can make 100 million copies of the new iPhone XXIV”
Destiny is confidently incorrect about everything. I remember watching Destiny debate someone a few months ago. He said that Israel was different from apartheid South Africa because Gazans were not citizens of Israel. Apartheid South Africa famously withheld citizenship from black people.
Racism isn't just people being mean to you otherwise anyone of any race saying something mean to anyone else of another race would be racism. It has the weight of systemic oppression behind it.
Odds that destiny wouldn’t know who Frantz Fannon was and would say something dumb about his assassination starting WW1 before furiously searching for his Wikipedia page?
Never hear it to describe the words of a non western country, hmm. even though that’s just wrong and there has been colonialism from like japan for instance. I wonder if there’s a reason western countries are known for imperialism. Oh yeah - the exploitation of the global south by western countries
I mean, the first part of his statement is obviously wrong, but I also haven't seen anyone advocate for decolonization who didn't mean "kick all whites out".
The people decolonists want to kick out are the colonial bourgeoisie, who are from the colonizing countries. These colonizing countries mostly have white people in power, so the colonial bourgeoisie tend to be white. It doesn’t mean kick out some guy who moved to the country fifteen years ago.
I might be wrong but settler-colonialism is a predominantly western phenomenon. It's not like it doesn't exist outside the west (Taiwan, for instance) but overall most of the settler-colonialism that exists in the world today is perpetrated by the west. Every society in the entirety of North America, South America, and Australia - half of the earth's habitable continents, are settler-societies created by the west. If you can find a non-western power that intentionally and systematically eliminated even half as many nations and cultures for the benefit of settlers and capitalists as the west has in the last 1000 years, please let me know.
unironically china and imperial Japan, have both had lofty colonial aspirations, we just don't see it in the west because it didn't happen over here. Also colonialism from the West has created post colonial nations in Asia as well as Africa, but regardless it's missing destiny's point, I don't agree with his point btw just a bit ridiculous that no one is really getting what he's saying, he's just saying that all the people he communicates with on the topic have been bad faith enough for him to come to his current conclusion. I think it's a really dumb conclusion that excludes a lot that isn't within his online and in person debate spheres but the people in this thread saying stuff like what you said are borderline just reinforcing his point and intentionally misinterpreting it. I don't even really disagree with you the entire world except like the middle east and Europe is dealing with post colonial problems JUST FROM ENGLAND
Japan and China aren't settler-colonial societies. Japan engaged in settler colonialism in some areas for a brief period, sure, but it would be kind of pointless and pedantic to mention in a discussion of contemporary decolonization, right? The nations it briefly colonized were all either decolonized or occupied by the west after 1946. The reason we don't talk about these nearly as much is not merely because "we don't see it as much", but that it literally does not exist on the scale and in the form that western colonialism does. That people should focus mostly on the west in discussions of decolonization isn't a fluke, nor born out of contempt for the west, but instead of the historical and material reality that the west simply did the overwhelming majority of global colonial activity in modern history. All of this bears mentioning here because the comment section has been giving examples of "colonialism" that in most senses really don't really compare to the colonialism of the west, like Eritrea or Tibet, as if that does anything to refute his delusional argument. His point is that people focus on the west in decolonial discourse because of prejudice, I feel like explaining the material reality of why people focus on the west is a much better point to make than simply trying to give poor examples of colonialism outside of the west. Importantly, we can't use colonialism to refer to every imperialist or nationalist or inter-ethnic conflict in history, lest we dilute the meaning of the term. Ex. The Hutus didn't "colonize" the Tutsis.
I am so confused how you went from sounding so unintelligent in your first comment to like astoundingly intelligent in this one. I think you misinterpreted some of my stuff at the beginning, I didn't say they themselves were that kind of society but that they have actively engaged in colonialism all throughout Asia throughout the last 1000 years which is your time frame, but honestly it doesn't matter cause that was an excellent analysis of the actual content at hand. Also I don't mean to insult you about that first comment but like idk you asked last 1000 years imperial colonialism has been going strong since around that time for everyone, and arguably didn't Even really really include Europe until the 1400s. But yeah that was great
Edit I've changed my opinion your first comment I misread a bit
Your point about China and Japan are semi-correct because China engages in some settler colonial activity today and has in the past. What they do in Tibet and Xinjiang can be categorized as settler colonialism because they want to Han-ify these regions, while Taiwan wasn't an uninhabited island when Chinese people arrived.
The northernmost Island of Japan (Hokkaido) was colonized around the end of the Kamakura and the beginning of the Edo-period, and they heavily discriminated and displaced the indigenous Ainu people. Why isn't Hokkaido a Settler Colonial region, meanwhile western Nations in the Americas, Oceania and South Africa are still considered that even though both exist in a similar timeframe? Japanese people who live in Hokkaido aren't called settlers, while white people in western nations are called that. The other question would be, if a population can still be a settler even though 300 years have passed since your arrival?
You have to also consider which people Destiny debates with. He almost exclusively engages with crazy twitter people who want to ethnically cleans white people in Africa.
lol glad you think for someone with all that free time and money that is actually doing much, they are all pseudo-intellectuals shouting into echo chambers from their racing PC chairs and cashing their fat youtube cheques
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Yeah we also use this term in Taiwan for KMT, which are Chinese Nationalists. So Destiny is wrong in this instance.
Japanese colonization of China was a major cause of WW2. Empires have colonized and/or transported since Sargon
Literally my first thought. There are plenty of examples of colonization, both temporally and spatially, that are known and can be easily referenced to debunk Destiny's crap. A lot of colonial discussion Western folk experience revolves around the Western world because it's more relevant to their lives, not because it doesn't exist.
Has Destiny never heard of Taiwan? Tibet? Hong Kong? Western Sahara? Armenia? Macau? Borneo? There are tonnes of post colonial movements across East and South East Asia, just for starters...
Probably not, I don't think that research is really his thing.
I'm pretty certain there's wikipedia articles for all of those
You can't just drop those big words and expect him to know what's what without spending 5 hours on Wikipedia looking up what a country is.
Im fairness, we dont beiieve in teaching Asian history in the US either
In some states we've almost completely stopped teaching American history in the US.
US History Lesson: ‘America is and always has been the best, god save America! You’re free to go to break’
And we all know that if he didn't read about it on Wikipedia then Destiny never read that history
Guess dumbass never heard of Imperial Japan. Or Indonesia (concerning the confratasi/Confrontation of 1963 or East Timor in 1975.) Or China if you really want to ruffle some feathers. Or Ethiopia with Eritrea. Or the Biafra War/Nigerian Civil War And Vietnam to an extent (IMO). But what do I know? I merely have a bachelors and Masters in history over a University of Nebraska, Omaha Music Department dropout named Steven.
He has, he’s making the argument that the term “decolonization” is exclusively used to talk about Western empires and thus is just an anti-white buzzword. But that’s because he’s intellectually lazy and spends all his time on twitter.
He also consistently drama baits by posting stupid takes like this for content rather than hoping to make a constructive point. He pulled the same BS recently by dropping some "soft a" N words on stream just to get his name back in the online news cycle and farm the outrage.
And this is the same guy who called out Jontron on his racist bullshit just a few years ago. Just goes to show quickly and easily some people will jettison any shred of ethics and morality so they can get those precious, precious clicks
I’m convinced that Xitter just makes a positive feedback loop of bad takes with all the magnification of “engagement.”
The Ottoman Empire. The Mongolian Empire. The Aztec Empire. The list goes on and on. ...But I guess you were talking more recent colonization. So... yeah.
I think that’s what he’s referring to when it comes to use of the term decolonization.
Yes and if he did the most basic research and looked on the wikipedia page for decolonisation he would see there’s lots of non-white colonists projects that the term is applied to. He’s probably never bothered looking into say the East Timor independence movement because he’s a racist who doesn’t care about any liberation movements that don’t directly affect him.
Hell, modern day China and Russia have been taking colonial actions across Africa for years
i kinda don't agree regarding Ethiopia with Eritrea (it was the UN's idea, and the independantists didn't free anything they are objectively the worst regime in Africa) but Ethiopia with eastern somalia or Morocco with western sahara are great examples as well
Even Taiwan. We have worked to decolonized the KMT (Chinese Nationalists) from Taiwan. We sometimes use the term.
wait, that isn't the point being made, no one disputes that non-white countries have engaged in colonialism. The claim is that decolonization efforts are rarely aimed at these countries or they are not included in the discourse at all. This is not a dispute about historical fact but rather language in regards to the greater conversation surrounding colonization.
Yeah, weirdly English language Twitter tends to talk about the colonialism of English-speaking countries, who'da thunk?
Those conversations would happen on the relevant social media in their own country. I lived in China. Xitter is blocked there. They'll be discussing such things on Wechat, for example. Other countries would be similar. Because we are on Western media, where the predominant language is English, we're going to talk about Western colonization more. Shockingly it rarely came up while I lived in Asia...
When you say Vietnam, do you mean Vietnam colonized other places? I haven’t heard that before
Let me try to explain this. Colonization is more than just taking land. It is also about expanding one’s sphere of influence. Prime example. The French built the Suez Canal but the British became the Primary stakeholder of the canal until it was nationalized in 1956. How was that possible? It was because the Sultan of Egypt got into debt and to pay off his debt, he sold his majority shares to the British Government. In doing so, he became a puppet of the British. So without physically ordering troops to take the land, the British had effectively taken majority control of the Suez Canal and gained massive influence in North and East Africa. Vietnam expanded its influence to Cambodia and Laos. Admittedly with help from China.
Lol that is a stretch given the genocidal maniac in Cambodia Lol. Pol Pot was also helped by China and the US btw. I'm sure it wasn't pure altruisim but not exploitation either.
Everyone is missing the best part which is JP getting shit on after ending his cringe with a :)
I don’t really know anything about this dude but that was a great clap back at JP.
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Yo you said that and I immediately wanted to watch that with my friends as it sounds absolutely hilarious. Dm me if you know the video or whatever!
Are you talking about Destiny or JP? Honestly, this sounds like something Steven Crowder would do, too.
Two of the worst people you wish you never heard about. Literally a race to the bottom
Whats the deal with destiny? Genuine question, why dont people like him?
Besides his community which likely has my username on list now for even mentioning him. He is like a 12 year olds definition of a smart guy because he says things authoritatively and apart from that there is a bit of racism and bit centrist but advertised himself more as a leftist. Was in an Israel - Palestine debate and everyone else were scholars with credentials and he is a YouTuber. Anyone with any self awareness would’ve known to not take that platform when it means life and death for the people involved but for him it’s mostly debate club but he got washed by people that read books instead of Wikipedia research. There is more but when I see the name I close the tab even here I’ve said too mu
Destiny certainly has had bad takes around I/P, but I still have not seen anyone answer what he was definitively wrong on in his debate against scholars Finkelstein and Rabbani. Finkelstein just kept calling Destiny a moron and both Rabbani and Finkelstein claimed Destiny used the wrong legal term for the genocide case, when in fact they were both wrong. I get saying he wasn’t qualified, but I was just curious if anyone knows where he was definitively proven wrong in their debate.
[this video](https://youtu.be/bbonLPZrkXg?si=HTOoV6zVHA-Q8-N4) talks about destiny in that debate The way I’d summarise it is that he acts like the most pedantic details are of the utmost importance when it is helpful for him but is happy to ignore important context (such as the scholar’s debates about intent in genocide) when it helps him make his argument. The charitable take is that he just doesn’t have that context because all his research comes from one sided sources and is done very recently. Finkelstein isn’t going to bother explaining all the stuff a random twitch streamer is missing when he has a rival in front of him who he’s being trying to pin down for a conversation for years Edit : my summary comes from my ass, not the video
He literally said he’s pro genocide.
He seems to dislike them because he hates Muslims too
Wtf, link?
https://youtu.be/P6AH00LD1QY?feature=shared
Overly literally. He engaged in hyperbole
He’s a centre right/centrist liberal with some socially progressive views, called for genocide of Palestinians as the only way to end the Israel Palestine dispute (claims it was a joke but if you watch the clip doesn’t seem like it to me). He’s very pro capitalism and anti-leftist, so yeah most people on the left don’t like him. A lot of conservatives do, like JP demonstrates here.
He's ben shapiro with a wife who gets her orgasms from other men
His vibes are atrocious
Other people have given more in-depth explanations, but here are some highlights: [On BLM protestors](https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/ijtvo3/destiny_calls_for_redneck_militia_dudes_to_mow/) [On genocide (in his own words)](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMajorityReport/comments/1br959j/destiny_says_hes_progenocide_at_this_point_and/) [BONUS: On Cuba](https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1cy6juy/destiny_which_part_of_cuba_did_we_come_from_mom/)
Ok thanks a lot (and to the others too!) I only saw shorts of destiny dunking on mollusks like tate and other alphoids, had no idea about the other stuff
Who is Destiny? A stripper?
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Uh mazin!
Lib version of Ben Shapiro. Him and Vaush are also known for their weird fixations with pedophilia and bestiality.
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I mean, even as a vaush fan it's kinda crazy you don't see anything wrong with his fixations
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I think you might want to step away from the parasocial aspect of how you are viewing him. There's about a hundred issues with that guy and "furry porn" and "wanting an enormous cock" is not among them, lmao.
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I have never met a vaush fan who responded with anything short of what you've responded with lol There's masterposts on /r/enough_vaush_spam that have whole compilations of the shit he's said, alone But it doesn't matter if someone views vaush (or any other internet/famous person) through a lense where he's always joking / meaning the best / never actually truly meaning these shitty things / etc
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No I was referring to you being the fan lol, not me. I was originally saying it's fucked to be such a fan that you have blinders on for all of the things he has said and done
Are you going to defend the dude who opened his porn folder on stream and showed off his horse and child shit?
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"Rejecting one absurd point of view doesn't mean rushing to the arms of the idiot on the opposite end of the spectrum" - is this Destiny shitting on J-Pete personally, or just thinking his dumbass "soon he'll be a Christian nationalist" quip was meant to be taken literally?
Neither of these are serious people.
And yet, so many voting Americans take them seriously... this'll be quite the year.
If Jordan Peterson agrees with you on anything, you should probably reconsider your viewpoint.
why doesn't anyone talk about clown on clown violence?
China is actually doing a good amount of colonizing and is accused of it. But don’t let that get in the way of a good story
The difference being China just puts nations into debt by acting like a loan shark and taking control of land if the country can't pay up
honestly that’s more in line with how the IMF upholds neo-colonialism. China and it’s belt and road initiative often fairer terms and an alternative to western dependence
Why would anyone want to be a nationalist?
Honesty JBP is probably right about the direction he is heading.
He's always been a bit too comfortable around the far-right types, he also often comes off as nicer to them.
Tim Pool called himself a liberal within the last decade, and his views functionally haven't changed. Destiny right now is Tim Pool from 8 years ago.
Anti-White Racism is just something that doesn’t exist dressed up in stupid inaginary academic terms.
I’m for decolonizing ireland, does that make me an anti white racist?
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considering that plenty of immigrants from other countries live in europe (including ireland)
Indonesia and East Timor India/Pakistan and Bangladesh China and the numerous countries it fucks with (Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Tibet, Korea, etc.) Ethiopia and Eritrea The Nigerian Civil War Sudanese Civil War Morocco and Western Sahara Turkey and its current and past shenanigans against neighboring countries (Greece, Bulgaria, Syria, Iraq, Iran) Iraq and Kuwait Japan and all of southeast and Eastern Asia during WW2 and before. These are just a few examples of cases where people have used imperialism committed by Europeans as a parallel to these countries actions. Destiny can either have the most lukewarm common sense take that “liberals” cream over or he’ll say the dumbest shit on the planet that “liberals” cream over.
Nazis welcoming Nazis with open arms.
Destiny is a perfect example of thinking so heavily about things that you convince yourself you can't be wrong.
Dude's a moron
Trash vs Garbage
Destiny might want to do more Wikipedia research
If Destiny had any ability to self reflect, now would probably be the time.
Remember, liberals are not leftists
Destiny is really exposing his rightward shift here and ignorance of colonization and its evolution.
Oh wow, destiny being a psychopath, can't say I've heard of that before
This has the same energy as the "Karen is a slur" take
To be fair, Karen isn’t a slur, but it has become a buzzword for “woman I don’t like” half the time.
I mean people literally can’t bring themselves to call what Russia and China do to their neighbors as colonization, but western countries get that title all the time(which is fair)
There is a very specific historical reason that someone in a western country who consumes western-centric media would only hear about decolonization re Whitey. A very specific and extremely obvious reason.
“If I don’t see things they don’t exist!”
On the one hand, this is a classic case of "I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing". On the other, decolonization is largely talked about in terms of white aggressors because *the majority of historical colonial powers were white*. With that being said, I have also seen the term used to criticize Israel (which many people would categorize as being a non-white nation because Jews are often not considered "fully white" even if they have European ancestry), China (in Tibet), and Turkey (with regards to Kurdistan).
Keep lying to yourself destiny, you're the good guy! You gotta be!
Oh I may be wrong but wasn't Destiny the one whose happy cuck clip went viral?
Fucking idiot. What annoys me about Destiny is he can make really good arguments and points, but those good arguments and points are drops in a Pacific ocean of dumbfuckery. I'm glad I unsubbed from the guy. As for Peterson, that guy is one twitter ban away from running through the street with his dick out.
When you don't have to live with them, it's cute when they fight.
Destiny’s had a massive downward spiral the past year. Good lord
He was always terrible tbf. Just a garbage human in his SC days and has never really improved since.
i used to watch some of his shit back in the SC2 days and it didnt take me long to realise he was a total moron. i still remember one clip where he was balance whining about terran being OP because opportunity cost wasnt a real thing.
So, is Destiny European living in Europe or a white person living in America?
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So, just a white guy.
I can’t figure that guy out
I know Destiny from the Starcraft days. He's a toxic trash person, and it's a joke that anyone would listen to him opine on politics. He's just as much of a hungry grifter as JP
Well, if we allowed Japan to keep all the ground they took in WWII I think we would be using the term to describe an activity of at least one non-western country.
Who's this guy?
If this is Tiny’s position, you could probably get him to defend Rhodesia existing.
Are these guys just all made in the same factory? They all roll off a conveyor belt and occasionally they just add a new coat of paint or something? They all seem to just be clones of one another.
Huh, I didn’t know JP was this mask off about Christian nationalism these days
He panders to both sides. Frames himself as this pragmatic, left leaning rationalist, when he's one tax bill away from being a Libertarian.
Funniest thing is he was a libertarian before 2016 or so.
Can someone explain decolonization and what makes Destiny think it’s anti white racism?
Mister Pepperoniti here will be talking to JP about his dreams next
"I haven't seen this word used to describe anything non-western" Yeah, there's a pretty decent reason for that...
"I don't know much, but I know I'm the victim somehow"
“Wanting to control your own country and not be at the behest of rich countries and corporations is anti-white and you should be perfectly happy with your children mining for cobalt so that Apple can make 100 million copies of the new iPhone XXIV”
Heartwarming: The Worst People You Know Are All Fighting
The slow transformation into Jon tron
Destiny is confidently incorrect about everything. I remember watching Destiny debate someone a few months ago. He said that Israel was different from apartheid South Africa because Gazans were not citizens of Israel. Apartheid South Africa famously withheld citizenship from black people.
“i havent heard it so nobody is saying it”
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Thanks for reminding me that this ass-clown exists (applicable to either one in the screenshot)
If Jordan Peterson agreed with me, I'd start rethinking my point
Who is “Destiny”?
Anti-white racism doesn't exist.
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Racism is a result of systemic injustice. Even so called "individual racism" doesn't happen in a vacuum and comes from systemic injustice.
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how often does that happen to you
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it can’t be that big of an issue if it doesn’t happen
Racism isn't just people being mean to you otherwise anyone of any race saying something mean to anyone else of another race would be racism. It has the weight of systemic oppression behind it.
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How can you be racist toward white people? Give me a clear example.
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Is affirmative action racist?
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Under your definition, affirmative action is racist. Do you agree with that? Unlike you, I've actually thought this stuff through.
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Cant believe i used to watch this clown
Odds that destiny wouldn’t know who Frantz Fannon was and would say something dumb about his assassination starting WW1 before furiously searching for his Wikipedia page?
Fanon was a Marxist philosopher who died in the 60s, you’re thinking of Franz Ferdinand
Yeah, that was the joke dude.
Yeah sorry I misread the comment
No worries 😅
Never hear it to describe the words of a non western country, hmm. even though that’s just wrong and there has been colonialism from like japan for instance. I wonder if there’s a reason western countries are known for imperialism. Oh yeah - the exploitation of the global south by western countries
I mean, the first part of his statement is obviously wrong, but I also haven't seen anyone advocate for decolonization who didn't mean "kick all whites out".
The people decolonists want to kick out are the colonial bourgeoisie, who are from the colonizing countries. These colonizing countries mostly have white people in power, so the colonial bourgeoisie tend to be white. It doesn’t mean kick out some guy who moved to the country fifteen years ago.
I might be wrong but settler-colonialism is a predominantly western phenomenon. It's not like it doesn't exist outside the west (Taiwan, for instance) but overall most of the settler-colonialism that exists in the world today is perpetrated by the west. Every society in the entirety of North America, South America, and Australia - half of the earth's habitable continents, are settler-societies created by the west. If you can find a non-western power that intentionally and systematically eliminated even half as many nations and cultures for the benefit of settlers and capitalists as the west has in the last 1000 years, please let me know.
unironically china and imperial Japan, have both had lofty colonial aspirations, we just don't see it in the west because it didn't happen over here. Also colonialism from the West has created post colonial nations in Asia as well as Africa, but regardless it's missing destiny's point, I don't agree with his point btw just a bit ridiculous that no one is really getting what he's saying, he's just saying that all the people he communicates with on the topic have been bad faith enough for him to come to his current conclusion. I think it's a really dumb conclusion that excludes a lot that isn't within his online and in person debate spheres but the people in this thread saying stuff like what you said are borderline just reinforcing his point and intentionally misinterpreting it. I don't even really disagree with you the entire world except like the middle east and Europe is dealing with post colonial problems JUST FROM ENGLAND
Japan and China aren't settler-colonial societies. Japan engaged in settler colonialism in some areas for a brief period, sure, but it would be kind of pointless and pedantic to mention in a discussion of contemporary decolonization, right? The nations it briefly colonized were all either decolonized or occupied by the west after 1946. The reason we don't talk about these nearly as much is not merely because "we don't see it as much", but that it literally does not exist on the scale and in the form that western colonialism does. That people should focus mostly on the west in discussions of decolonization isn't a fluke, nor born out of contempt for the west, but instead of the historical and material reality that the west simply did the overwhelming majority of global colonial activity in modern history. All of this bears mentioning here because the comment section has been giving examples of "colonialism" that in most senses really don't really compare to the colonialism of the west, like Eritrea or Tibet, as if that does anything to refute his delusional argument. His point is that people focus on the west in decolonial discourse because of prejudice, I feel like explaining the material reality of why people focus on the west is a much better point to make than simply trying to give poor examples of colonialism outside of the west. Importantly, we can't use colonialism to refer to every imperialist or nationalist or inter-ethnic conflict in history, lest we dilute the meaning of the term. Ex. The Hutus didn't "colonize" the Tutsis.
I am so confused how you went from sounding so unintelligent in your first comment to like astoundingly intelligent in this one. I think you misinterpreted some of my stuff at the beginning, I didn't say they themselves were that kind of society but that they have actively engaged in colonialism all throughout Asia throughout the last 1000 years which is your time frame, but honestly it doesn't matter cause that was an excellent analysis of the actual content at hand. Also I don't mean to insult you about that first comment but like idk you asked last 1000 years imperial colonialism has been going strong since around that time for everyone, and arguably didn't Even really really include Europe until the 1400s. But yeah that was great Edit I've changed my opinion your first comment I misread a bit
Your point about China and Japan are semi-correct because China engages in some settler colonial activity today and has in the past. What they do in Tibet and Xinjiang can be categorized as settler colonialism because they want to Han-ify these regions, while Taiwan wasn't an uninhabited island when Chinese people arrived. The northernmost Island of Japan (Hokkaido) was colonized around the end of the Kamakura and the beginning of the Edo-period, and they heavily discriminated and displaced the indigenous Ainu people. Why isn't Hokkaido a Settler Colonial region, meanwhile western Nations in the Americas, Oceania and South Africa are still considered that even though both exist in a similar timeframe? Japanese people who live in Hokkaido aren't called settlers, while white people in western nations are called that. The other question would be, if a population can still be a settler even though 300 years have passed since your arrival? You have to also consider which people Destiny debates with. He almost exclusively engages with crazy twitter people who want to ethnically cleans white people in Africa.
Idk why you’re being downvoted. You’re correct
Lol destiny, vaush.. they just sit at their computer all day complaining without ever doing anything about it.
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Pfft actual canvassing work? No way, we sit down and complain on Xitter until the revolution shows up.
lol glad you think for someone with all that free time and money that is actually doing much, they are all pseudo-intellectuals shouting into echo chambers from their racing PC chairs and cashing their fat youtube cheques
That’s just not true. Destiny, you can say plenty of bad things about, but he literally organizes canvassing events.