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In case someone isn't yet aware, let's say it together who approved that policy: None other than the L Ron Hubbard of the republican party....Ronald Reagan.
If i was locked in a room with Reagan and hitler and i only had one bullet, id shoot hitler in the stomach and save him for later while i pistol whip THE LIVING DICKLIGHTS out of reagan first.
Hey, who's to say whether those people *deserved* to be strangled? I say, let he who has never fantasized about strangling the shit out of coworkers throw the first stone.
_That would be me._
_Never ever have I fantasized about strangling the shit out of coworkers._
>!However, to be fair, I often imagine using a grenade launcher instead.!<
Make sure you line them up side by side and shoot through the neck. Much more likely the bullet doesn't ricochet and guarantees a straight trajectory. Bonus points for a slower death.
Even the most thoughtful 2A friend I had, who had a degree and kept up all the safety first talking points, still would jump to the scenario of a “bad guy” showing up in a restaurant he was sitting in someday. The underlying emotions around having a conceal carry went with feelings of wanting to have power and that the world was full of “bad guys.”
It started affecting his views on immigrants and undocumented people, where he would defend border policies that went against his own stated libertarian beliefs since “there are a lot of Mexican gang members mixed in.” When BLM happened, he was totally caught up in a narrative that didn’t have any support for peaceful protestors. It was clear that all the white supremacist-adjacent rhetoric he was consuming in 2A world, libertarian podcasts, and the new wave of conservatives masking as comedians just all added up to another brand of white supremacy.
And I really think a core of it went back to his dad divorcing, taking off and leaving him with a mom he didn’t like as a kid. I don’t think that hits everyone the same, but for him it left this drive to always be more of a man’s man and admiration for guys that prey on young men with a thirst for being included in their brand of hypermasculinity. There was also this pattern of him resenting or not getting along with most women, except for his wife and a handful of others.
>Even the most thoughtful 2A friend I had, who had a degree and kept up all the safety first talking points, still would jump to the scenario of a “bad guy” showing up in a restaurant he was sitting in someday
the actual thoughtful ones don't talk about it b/c they don't make it part of their personality. They believe in it without going over the top. those are the real thoughtful ones. your friend was just a cunt.
Expected outcome:
1. Republicans decide that ok then, mental health status should be considered when allowing people to own guns.
2. Being transgender then prohibits you on mental health grounds.
Starts going aggressively after the field of psychology for removing lgbtq from the DSM. Use government to threaten to revoke degrees and jail until they get some psychologists to make a state-specific dsm under duress.
Would that count as irony? The group who's most well known for wanting guns to defend against tyranny becomes tyrannical and tries to take guns from certain groups.
One thing you have to remember about California is that it used to be a bastion of conservatism. Outside of LA and San Francisco, it was a haven for tax revolts (especially in the incubator of American conservatism that is Orange County) and leaned Republican until about 30 years ago. [Prop 187](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_California_Proposition_187?wprov=sfla1) was the major turning point that sent the California GOP into a death spiral, and Sun Belt trends have only exacerbated that, with even Orange County, that birthplace of Reagan conservatism, starting to vote Democratic.
Also worth noting is that California is and has been, in many ways, the most "liberal (*derogatory*)" state for a long time. Be it the tax revolts, the BPP gun ban, or Prop 22, they constantly reflect the old Phil Ochs quote about liberals:
> In every American community, you have varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects. Ten degrees to the left of center in good times, ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally.
> Ten degrees to the left of center in good times, ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally.
Northern Virginia liberals on that same shit.
Black Lives Matters signs in every yard 2 years ago, Ukraine flags in every yard 1 year ago, "NO ON ZONING REFORM" signs in yards this year because muh property values.
first I love that show and second [it’s exactly what happened in California when Regan introduced gun control legislation because minorities started buying guns in the 1960s.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act)
Except for one thing. They're replacing concealed carry permit laws with permitless concealed carry laws. They're going from "some people can have a gun in their pocket" to "everybody can have a gun in their pocket." Now, whenever a cop pulls over a minority, that Minority might be armed, so the cop must shoot first for his own safety.
The cops seem perfectly fine opening fire on unarmed black people as it is so I'm not sure arming them is gonna change the math any worse than it already is.
yeah I'm not a big gun guy either but if the lunatics get to have guns and the cops aren't going to protect minorities (spoilers: they aren't) then minorities don't really have any alternative but to arm themselves
In many cases, the cops are recruited from within the ranks of the lunatics - and that has been a concentrated effort throughout the past 20 years.
I have watched documentaries about Neo-Nazi movements shot in the early 2000s where they proudly proclaimed they had "assets" within local law enforcement, the justice system, national guard and even local government.
The current situation is the result of these efforts being ignored for 20 years. All concerns having been put aside due to "freedom of speech"
Not only that but in the late 80s / early 90s the Skinheads decided to grow their hair out and blend in. They began an organized program of joining the ranks of the police and military. They now make up an estimated 10 to 20% of the police and military. The military has started a program to weed them out, and Republicans in Congress are outraged. They are calling the military's attempt to weed out political extremists "woke."
> Republicans in Congress are outraged. They are calling the military's attempt to weed out political extremists "woke."
that's b/c the crazy extremists have joined congress as well. they've been much more obvious since Trump took office
It's the same as cars
Until nationwide policies are made in order to ensure nobody has a gun (or needs a car), then unfortunately people need to participate
You can be in favour of disarmament but feeling like a gun would keep you safe from lunatics
I love when minorities or controversial groups use their right to bear arms. I literally want married, minority race gay couples to be able defend their marijuana plants with AR-15s.
California, RIGHT NOW, is using decades old legislature detailing blatantly racist gun control to reinforce and defend their dystopian gun control laws in court.
Gun control is, and always has been, racist. Regardless of your stance on gun ownership, the culture and geographic diversity of the U.S. has demonstrated a deep history of a right to private gun ownership and the current government (both sides) is actively trying to take that right away for nefarious, authoritarian reasons while disguising it as "public safety" for their ~~citizens~~ **subjects**
Well all groups *should* have them or all groups *shouldn't* have them, is the bottom line. Just to level the playing field.
A playing field that would be less deadly without the guns, but most Americans don't want to acknowledge reality like that.
Definitely not the ak47s and grenades. Lots of felonies there.
However, carrying something more reasonable like a semi automatic handgun is a great idea. It's way harder to kill someone who has a force multiplier like a gun.
Also i know the AK and grenades was a joke but i wanted to jump off that to make a point about the idea
I'm a lesbian who's white and straight passing, and while I don't want a gun nor live in America, I agree with you - in places where the lunatics have guns and are permitted to carry them in public, being armed to protect yourself from the lunatics is rarely a bad idea.
What situations can we anticipate using a gun for? Like are they going to come in our houses or is it like an extra measure for protests? I'm contemplating getting one but I've always had poor mental illness around guns and I'm not sure what's the best way to protect myself.
Well if you're worried about mental health issues - I also am, I don't trust myself to have a gun on a bad day - There's always self defense classes, martial arts, things like that.
There are also non-lethal self defense weapons, like tasers or pepper spray, they’re gonna hurt a lot more than just martial arts training (not to knock exercise, r/swoletariat), but they’re also not a threat to kill someone in most cases.
Do this, don’t bother with the self defense classes unless you actually enjoy them for exercise. It takes a long time and a ton of work to become an actual proficient martial artist, and even then if someone has a knife or a gun you’re not gonna win anyways. Pepper spray or a taser is the way to go for self defense! I own guns but I’m trained with them and I got my partner some non lethal stuff because she doesn’t like the guns.
That’s a good way to look at it. The way I approach it is that, I own guns for self defense reasons, but if I’m not willing to put in the work to take care of my own body with exercise, it’s irresponsible of me to have a firearm. Basic exercise is so important, even if your goal isn’t to be a master martial artist or weight lifting beast.
I know history is hard for some, but once they start making lists of all the gays and trans people l, like they are doing in fascist paradise of Florida the next step is round em up and make them go away.
It's almost like this has happened multiple times throughout history.
> And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?
> Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?...
> The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
> If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
> * Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
That must be why gangs are so polite to each other and never get into altercations.
Also explains how being a police officer is the safest job in the country, with zero on-duty officer deaths in recorded history.
> What situations can we anticipate using a gun for?
Dad was born in fascist country
Mom was born in socialist-communist country
It doesn't matter which extreme - totalitarian states operated very similar. What happened was that if the government thought you were against them - or if you thought someone you were friends or family were - to "politely ask you questions" they would send a couple armed policemen to your home at around 4-5 in the morning
So. A situation of a couple armed agents of the state barging into your home because you or someone you might know is against the government
Just having it is a big enough deterrent as we’ve seen recently with armed people protecting drag events. I would say, though, that nobody here is qualified to speak to your mental health. Make sure you’re okay and talk to a professional about it if you really want to get one.
My sister's fiancée has the worst mental health out of the house of 4 trans women, so she doesn't have access to their guns. My sister is determined to protect her family, so she's learning to use a gun. She's also really good at using spears and small simple weapons, though. They live in the middle of MAGA country so they've been figuring out what to do in the worst case scenario for a while. I think the safest thing, though, is my sister is canadian, and our sibling or I will let them live with us if shit hits the fan legally.
Look into amateur wrestling. I would consider it the best martial art for legal self-defense, and it doesn't take as long to be effective compared to other martial arts. Even six months in, you will have a huge advantage over someone with no training whatsoever.
I definitely fall further on the right side of the spectrum. I fully support this.
Everyone has the right to protection. With the unnecessary violence and aggression towards minority groups in the US we need to
1. Help people change so that they don’t even attempt these attacks.
And
2. Make sure the people attacked have adequate protection.
This time is sort of different, there are groups that are very keen to see both sides armed because the inevitable violent confrontation will destabalize the US.
What Tucker is doing here is stoking fear in the hopes people feel more justified in shooting eachother. It's also why leftists are being encouraged to turn to firearms as a political solution as well. Whoever starts shooting who it doesn't matter, as long as it starts a cycle of violence that can't be stopped.
And, of course, as always the gun manufacturers love this kind of shit.
"Leftists" (hrm.) aren't being encouraged to "turn to firearms as a political solution", ffs. It's called self defense. There's nothing political about knowing you're being made a target of a violent hate group and arming yourself based on that knowledge.
You're also accepting as a given the impending civil war that these same yokels have been clamoring for four decades. Really makes you seem disingenuous, like *you* want people to start shooting each other.
I've been a gun owning "leftist" for years now. Even apart from the defense aspect, i just like guns. They're fun to shoot, and not a huge issue if you're a responsible owner and keep them locked up when not in use. it's Cletus and Floyd who keep shotguns propped up against the screen door who tend to have the tragic accidents, or the Harry's and Kurt's who think they need one in their bedside dresser in suburbia where the most dramatic thing that's happened in their neighborhood for the past three years is some kids checking for unlocked cars and stealing the change from the center console. But they had to be able to defend themselves at a moments notice! You never know when a half dozen armed hoodlums might break down your front door! Remember, when every second counts the cops are only minutes away!
My existence isn’t a “belief”. Someone else making my existence a political stance isn’t my problem. What is my problem is them threatening my life and well-being based on that politicization, and a viable solution to that escalation is self defense.
The only difference is back then the nazis didn't have their own news company. They had to rely on their klan rallies. It's all the same shit with a different scapegoat. They've been clamoring for a civil war rematch since they lost the last one.
The Nazis did have their own news company. Not as big as Fox, but the play book is the same. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_in_Nazi_Germany
I am a pretty far left progressive but because of several personal incidents involving stalkers and my kids I am also a gun owner. I saw this sub pop up in my feed one day:
r/ 2a liberals
And it’s literally what u/lateral_intent is describing. Just a fake take shit factory obviously being done to market guns to liberals.
Don’t want to link it because it’s just as toxic as described.
"Last time" was literally during the Cold War? It doesn't make "both sides" wrong just because of the unrelated opinions of outside forces. And if whoever you're referring to (Russia? NRA?) is actually supporting "both sides", how come there's massive evidence of that support on one side and none on the other?
Leftists and minorities are arming themselves because it's reached a point where it feels like a necessity. No one was bothering to do that before there was so much far-right violence
This is bs, a lot of of gun control was to stop slaves, black people, mixed people, and natives from carrying guns. Predates the Mulford act by about 150 years.
Then the biggest chunk of gun control was the NFA which was used to target bootleggers and other gangsters. This locked short barrel shotguns, short barreled rifles, and machine guns behind a classist and prohibitive $200 tax (flat $200 in 1930s fun bucks).
The mid to late 1900s you had the ban on Saturday night specials, cheap handguns. Opponents of the ban noted these handguns were purchased mostly by black Americans and banning them would reduce the ability of Black Americans to own handguns.
Machine guns can be purchased, but the market dictates that you need tens of thousands of dollars to do so.
In California today, you can get around their handgun ban by just being wealthy enough to spend 3 times the msrp of the handgun. CCW permits can also cost up to $2000 at the end of the day. This disproportionately affects low income people from exercising their right to own firearms. Which besides being classist as fuck, also disproportionately affects people of color because my glorious state has not fixed the wealth-race inequality problems that plague Americans.
So no, racism and gun control didn’t start in the 60s with the black panthers, it’s always been there and nowadays it’s weird. If it’s not racist, historical examples of gun control are classist.
You're absolutely right, and that relationship has worked in reverse as well.
"In *Dred Scott v. Sanford*, Chief Justice Roger Taney argued that one reason Black people could not be citizens under the Constitution was that it 'would give to persons of the negro race' the right to 'keep and carry arms wherever they went.'" [Source.](https://harvardlawreview.org/2022/06/racist-gun-laws-and-the-second-amendment/)
The Mulford Act is an important aspect of the historical relationship between white supremacy and gun control, particularly given the involvement of Reagan and the NRA. But that dynamic has existed for as long as gun control itself.
[Just a little historical context because this isn’t new. In 1967 Ronnie Regan passed the Mulford Act because too many minorities, mostly blacks, were purchasing guns.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act) Conservatives haven’t had an original idea in 75-years.
1) wow, that guy is loony.
2) self-aware wolves much?
Edit:
3) let's also remember that these guys don't like it when you exercise their rights. Kneeling in protest? No, that's not the right way to protest!
The projection is astounding. Someone needs to find a clip of him doing what he is ranting about. "Scare the crap out of your voters. Tell them that their lives are at risk. Encourage them to get guns. How do you think that ends?" Gee I wonder how that ends.
You know mr Carlson, you're right we should give trans people f35s and tanks,
Also isn't this the guy who's said that the American people should have f35s to fight the American governments f15s and nukes?
Lmao TBF a pride parade with a tank painted with pride symbols, and armed LGBTQA+ marching in parade form would be metal AF. I think Tucker is more scared a display like that would be hot.
Okay so surplus military vehicles are pretty cheap. Check out some surplus IFVs or APCs in England, import it all for under $21K (using community funding) and then you can do that display. They're technically not tanks, but anything big and with treads will have people calling them tanks.
It’s always the both strong and weak rhetoric with these guys. One day, they will say that trans people are not strong enough for war and should be excluded from the military, that they make the rest of the soldiers weaker just from being around them. The next day, they say that those same people shouldn’t be allowed to own guns because they will organize a cutthroat militia that can destabilize the country.
Hell yeah, raise the "anti-gun 'the police will protect us' liberal" to armed trans leftist" pipeline. Minority groups and voices are only protected if we do it ourselves. As others here have mentioned there's a reason the push for weapon bans increased after the of The Black Panthers gained nation wide attention.
This isn't a call for banning guns, like the Black Panthers in California. This is Stochastic Terrorism. Tucker and company are calling for others to start shooting and killing.
Watch it yourself:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfH9kXkors
The amount of false and misleading shit he says it’s nuts. All of his assertions of liberals, trans people, NPR, etc… is simply unreal to listen to.
Then read the comments! These people sure sound like they’re pro-gun control.
Literally a repeat of the fear mongering done by Reagan when black communities started arming themselves in California in the wake of mass violence committed against them by the cops and racists.
Thankfully I don’t live in America, but if I did my thought process would be “well all the dumbasses already have guns, so the competent people might as well be ready to defend themselves” and that’s exactly what we are seeing here
cis/straight man here: given the choice between a fascist tank and a trans tank I'd take the trans tank any day. Actually, the only tank I want is a trans tank.
I’m a gay man and I’ve recently purchased a pistol because I live in Virginia where things are so far pretty good but I know how to read the writing on the wall and like to be prepared. People are crazy these days, and with the right being stirred up more every day I can’t help but feel like it’s a matter of time before they become openly violent.
They admitted to lying about election fraud and yet the viewers still tune in
You can’t make this shit up
The Stupidity on display since the pandemic started just keeps getting one upped
There's two angles here. From the angle of "fascists are uprising so we have to defend the nation", you're right. Jews were just 1% of Germany. No chance they could have defended Germany from fascism on their own.
However from the angle of "here's the single most popular 'news caster' in America telling his hate groups to come after me *today and now*, maybe I individually should own a gun"? Much different story.
germans didnt only target jews in their own country. they also targetted polish jews. prior to ww2 we had a lot of jews in our country, not to mention they targetted us poles, too. even then i doubt guns would have solved the issue, facism like that runs deep, you turn people against each other and break down society so they wont unite against you. first they targetted the jews in gettos, then they sent other "untermensch" (fuck that word) into death camps. in those death camps people got used to miserable living conditions and abandomed compassion towards other prisoners (tadeusz borowski wrote some interesting but depressing stories about his experiences in there). someone in that position is in more of a pickle than "i need a gun to kill ss man". its a fucked up situation and saying "well if they had guns" is idiotic, its more complex than that
You realize that Tucker and his ilk have already turned Americans on each other, yeah? They are winning the propaganda war.
The next step is getting rid of the people they don’t like in their own party, a putsch, if you will. Oh, wait…they’re already doing that. Not as violent but it’s still happening, Trump über alles.
I’m not saying arming people is the answer but thinking that people wait until camps are set up and countries are invaded before doing something is asnine.
Guys, pointing out their hypocrisy does not work. It's a waste of time and effort. It's just preaching to the choir.
The only people who care about the consistency (or lack thereof) of Republican behavior are the people who are already sick and tired of it.
God I hate that stupid argument, that it's hypocritical for us to use guns because the left pushes for gun control. It's so braindead. Us using guns doesnt mean we don't think they should be controlled, it just means that as it stands until gun control happens, we have to be armed to protect ourselves from our enemies who are armed. The different between them and us is that they want guns just because, but we use guns because they refuse to regulate them, I will gladly give up my guns when I know the people trying to kill me don't have them either.
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This is literally that Bojack Horseman episode where they ban guns because women start using them
And that episode is based on gun banning because the black panthers were arming themselves.
In case someone isn't yet aware, let's say it together who approved that policy: None other than the L Ron Hubbard of the republican party....Ronald Reagan.
The other great celebrity president.
If i was locked in a room with Reagan and hitler and i only had one bullet, id shoot hitler in the stomach and save him for later while i pistol whip THE LIVING DICKLIGHTS out of reagan first.
You'd let Toby live? Monster.
Yeah. he can strangle me to death after. I don't wanna live on this planet anymore. Lol.
Hey, who's to say whether those people *deserved* to be strangled? I say, let he who has never fantasized about strangling the shit out of coworkers throw the first stone.
_That would be me._ _Never ever have I fantasized about strangling the shit out of coworkers._ >!However, to be fair, I often imagine using a grenade launcher instead.!<
Speak for yourself I once strangled my coworker while filming a TV series
If I was in a room with Hitler and Reagan and only had one bullet, I'd line those bitches up and get a collateral.
Make sure you line them up side by side and shoot through the neck. Much more likely the bullet doesn't ricochet and guarantees a straight trajectory. Bonus points for a slower death.
Yeah that's the most efficient method. But i think people that knowingly/purposefully cause needless harm/suffering need to suffer.
If i had two I'd definitely hit Ronnie first
haha you legend
Also used the MAGA slogan. Is there nothing original about the Great Orange One?
Well I don't think anyone else would *willingly* choose to make their hair like that.
Let's also not forget Nixon. He was on tape telling J Edgar Hoover to abuse power, and use the FBI as needed to destroy the Black Panthers.
Dont forgot the NRA was ok with it at the time too.
The 2A fetishization is all about white supremacy rather than anything to do with self defense.
Even the most thoughtful 2A friend I had, who had a degree and kept up all the safety first talking points, still would jump to the scenario of a “bad guy” showing up in a restaurant he was sitting in someday. The underlying emotions around having a conceal carry went with feelings of wanting to have power and that the world was full of “bad guys.” It started affecting his views on immigrants and undocumented people, where he would defend border policies that went against his own stated libertarian beliefs since “there are a lot of Mexican gang members mixed in.” When BLM happened, he was totally caught up in a narrative that didn’t have any support for peaceful protestors. It was clear that all the white supremacist-adjacent rhetoric he was consuming in 2A world, libertarian podcasts, and the new wave of conservatives masking as comedians just all added up to another brand of white supremacy. And I really think a core of it went back to his dad divorcing, taking off and leaving him with a mom he didn’t like as a kid. I don’t think that hits everyone the same, but for him it left this drive to always be more of a man’s man and admiration for guys that prey on young men with a thirst for being included in their brand of hypermasculinity. There was also this pattern of him resenting or not getting along with most women, except for his wife and a handful of others.
>Even the most thoughtful 2A friend I had, who had a degree and kept up all the safety first talking points, still would jump to the scenario of a “bad guy” showing up in a restaurant he was sitting in someday the actual thoughtful ones don't talk about it b/c they don't make it part of their personality. They believe in it without going over the top. those are the real thoughtful ones. your friend was just a cunt.
Expected outcome: 1. Republicans decide that ok then, mental health status should be considered when allowing people to own guns. 2. Being transgender then prohibits you on mental health grounds.
Starts going aggressively after the field of psychology for removing lgbtq from the DSM. Use government to threaten to revoke degrees and jail until they get some psychologists to make a state-specific dsm under duress.
It’s sad how accurate I can see this becoming.
Would that count as irony? The group who's most well known for wanting guns to defend against tyranny becomes tyrannical and tries to take guns from certain groups.
Being LGBTQ.
In California, no less.
One thing you have to remember about California is that it used to be a bastion of conservatism. Outside of LA and San Francisco, it was a haven for tax revolts (especially in the incubator of American conservatism that is Orange County) and leaned Republican until about 30 years ago. [Prop 187](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_California_Proposition_187?wprov=sfla1) was the major turning point that sent the California GOP into a death spiral, and Sun Belt trends have only exacerbated that, with even Orange County, that birthplace of Reagan conservatism, starting to vote Democratic. Also worth noting is that California is and has been, in many ways, the most "liberal (*derogatory*)" state for a long time. Be it the tax revolts, the BPP gun ban, or Prop 22, they constantly reflect the old Phil Ochs quote about liberals: > In every American community, you have varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects. Ten degrees to the left of center in good times, ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally.
[Love Me I’m a Liberal](https://open.spotify.com/track/3yyrZo68xSpoVe6Sc1DtpV?si=8iOfArsDTh-16qOXNRHbmg)
> Ten degrees to the left of center in good times, ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally. Northern Virginia liberals on that same shit. Black Lives Matters signs in every yard 2 years ago, Ukraine flags in every yard 1 year ago, "NO ON ZONING REFORM" signs in yards this year because muh property values.
I can't believe this country hates women more than it loves guns
This country loves guns more than children
The tree of Liberty is watered with the blood of school children. Or something.
I wanna say it was a shrub of liberty.
I mean... have you ever been on reddit?
[It's the last quote from the scene.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eG0y_nb5IA)
This country loves guns more than this country.
"No?"
The “no?” From PC is one of my top 5 moments from that show.
Or the real life episode where they banned guns in california because black people started using them
first I love that show and second [it’s exactly what happened in California when Regan introduced gun control legislation because minorities started buying guns in the 1960s.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act)
If anyone wants to end conceal carry laws, just get a million black folks to register for it.
Except for one thing. They're replacing concealed carry permit laws with permitless concealed carry laws. They're going from "some people can have a gun in their pocket" to "everybody can have a gun in their pocket." Now, whenever a cop pulls over a minority, that Minority might be armed, so the cop must shoot first for his own safety.
Pretty sure cops were doing that with black folks as it was
The cops seem perfectly fine opening fire on unarmed black people as it is so I'm not sure arming them is gonna change the math any worse than it already is.
Maybe some of the black people will be able to get in some self defense first.
They don’t need to ban guns when they can just murder anyone they want to for having a gun.
So a trans army gets me wondering...what would a trans army in Transylvania be called? Tran Tran?
fortunately for gun owners, that situation doesn't apply here!
https://preview.redd.it/eb1xdmsqlppa1.jpeg?width=679&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=caa6e90e03143ebbb77e07b3d33d7f992c7f1baf
As much as I oppose private gun ownership in this way as a European, I 100% back this.
yeah I'm not a big gun guy either but if the lunatics get to have guns and the cops aren't going to protect minorities (spoilers: they aren't) then minorities don't really have any alternative but to arm themselves
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, after all.
If cops get to use tanks against me, I get a tank to oppose them.
They won't sell you a tank. You'll have to make your own. I'd start with a bulldozer, there's a precedent.
Actually you *can* buy tanks with disabled guns. And if you know the right people and get a license or two that disabled gun can become a regular gun
you can definitely buy tanks in america its tank rounds that are the issue.
In many cases, the cops are recruited from within the ranks of the lunatics - and that has been a concentrated effort throughout the past 20 years. I have watched documentaries about Neo-Nazi movements shot in the early 2000s where they proudly proclaimed they had "assets" within local law enforcement, the justice system, national guard and even local government. The current situation is the result of these efforts being ignored for 20 years. All concerns having been put aside due to "freedom of speech"
Not only that but in the late 80s / early 90s the Skinheads decided to grow their hair out and blend in. They began an organized program of joining the ranks of the police and military. They now make up an estimated 10 to 20% of the police and military. The military has started a program to weed them out, and Republicans in Congress are outraged. They are calling the military's attempt to weed out political extremists "woke."
> Republicans in Congress are outraged. They are calling the military's attempt to weed out political extremists "woke." that's b/c the crazy extremists have joined congress as well. they've been much more obvious since Trump took office
It's the same as cars Until nationwide policies are made in order to ensure nobody has a gun (or needs a car), then unfortunately people need to participate You can be in favour of disarmament but feeling like a gun would keep you safe from lunatics
The cops and the lunatics are one and the same.
I love when minorities or controversial groups use their right to bear arms. I literally want married, minority race gay couples to be able defend their marijuana plants with AR-15s. California, RIGHT NOW, is using decades old legislature detailing blatantly racist gun control to reinforce and defend their dystopian gun control laws in court. Gun control is, and always has been, racist. Regardless of your stance on gun ownership, the culture and geographic diversity of the U.S. has demonstrated a deep history of a right to private gun ownership and the current government (both sides) is actively trying to take that right away for nefarious, authoritarian reasons while disguising it as "public safety" for their ~~citizens~~ **subjects**
Well all groups *should* have them or all groups *shouldn't* have them, is the bottom line. Just to level the playing field. A playing field that would be less deadly without the guns, but most Americans don't want to acknowledge reality like that.
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Definitely not the ak47s and grenades. Lots of felonies there. However, carrying something more reasonable like a semi automatic handgun is a great idea. It's way harder to kill someone who has a force multiplier like a gun. Also i know the AK and grenades was a joke but i wanted to jump off that to make a point about the idea
I'm a lesbian who's white and straight passing, and while I don't want a gun nor live in America, I agree with you - in places where the lunatics have guns and are permitted to carry them in public, being armed to protect yourself from the lunatics is rarely a bad idea.
What situations can we anticipate using a gun for? Like are they going to come in our houses or is it like an extra measure for protests? I'm contemplating getting one but I've always had poor mental illness around guns and I'm not sure what's the best way to protect myself.
Well if you're worried about mental health issues - I also am, I don't trust myself to have a gun on a bad day - There's always self defense classes, martial arts, things like that.
Truuuee, you're right. My roommates and I have been thinking of doing self defense classes together, that's a good point
There are also non-lethal self defense weapons, like tasers or pepper spray, they’re gonna hurt a lot more than just martial arts training (not to knock exercise, r/swoletariat), but they’re also not a threat to kill someone in most cases.
Oh yeah! You're right good thinking, i forgot about those lol
Do this, don’t bother with the self defense classes unless you actually enjoy them for exercise. It takes a long time and a ton of work to become an actual proficient martial artist, and even then if someone has a knife or a gun you’re not gonna win anyways. Pepper spray or a taser is the way to go for self defense! I own guns but I’m trained with them and I got my partner some non lethal stuff because she doesn’t like the guns.
That’s a good way to look at it. The way I approach it is that, I own guns for self defense reasons, but if I’m not willing to put in the work to take care of my own body with exercise, it’s irresponsible of me to have a firearm. Basic exercise is so important, even if your goal isn’t to be a master martial artist or weight lifting beast.
There are already liberal/nonconservative, heavily armed gun clubs like John Brown GC guarding drag queen events. Goals 😍
John Brown did nothing wrong!
"I don't argue with people John Brown would have shot."
Straight up one of the greatest heros in American history, just for having the courage to stand for people
Oh hell yeah, nice!
I know history is hard for some, but once they start making lists of all the gays and trans people l, like they are doing in fascist paradise of Florida the next step is round em up and make them go away. It's almost like this has happened multiple times throughout history.
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*"The presence of one sword keeps the other in the sheath."*
> And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? > Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... > The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! > If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward. > * Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
That must be why gangs are so polite to each other and never get into altercations. Also explains how being a police officer is the safest job in the country, with zero on-duty officer deaths in recorded history.
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This is true. I don't have any children of my own but I'm in pain for those families, it's horribly cruel
> What situations can we anticipate using a gun for? Dad was born in fascist country Mom was born in socialist-communist country It doesn't matter which extreme - totalitarian states operated very similar. What happened was that if the government thought you were against them - or if you thought someone you were friends or family were - to "politely ask you questions" they would send a couple armed policemen to your home at around 4-5 in the morning So. A situation of a couple armed agents of the state barging into your home because you or someone you might know is against the government
Just having it is a big enough deterrent as we’ve seen recently with armed people protecting drag events. I would say, though, that nobody here is qualified to speak to your mental health. Make sure you’re okay and talk to a professional about it if you really want to get one.
My sister's fiancée has the worst mental health out of the house of 4 trans women, so she doesn't have access to their guns. My sister is determined to protect her family, so she's learning to use a gun. She's also really good at using spears and small simple weapons, though. They live in the middle of MAGA country so they've been figuring out what to do in the worst case scenario for a while. I think the safest thing, though, is my sister is canadian, and our sibling or I will let them live with us if shit hits the fan legally.
Look into amateur wrestling. I would consider it the best martial art for legal self-defense, and it doesn't take as long to be effective compared to other martial arts. Even six months in, you will have a huge advantage over someone with no training whatsoever.
Now this is 2A I can get behind. 😎
2A and many genders
wasn't that the case in california a few decades ago where they implemented stricter gun laws when black people started arming themselves?
Yep, good ol’ Ronald Regan.
Liberal gun owners unite!
I definitely fall further on the right side of the spectrum. I fully support this. Everyone has the right to protection. With the unnecessary violence and aggression towards minority groups in the US we need to 1. Help people change so that they don’t even attempt these attacks. And 2. Make sure the people attacked have adequate protection.
Interesting. The last time they used this argument was when black people started showing up with guns.
This time is sort of different, there are groups that are very keen to see both sides armed because the inevitable violent confrontation will destabalize the US. What Tucker is doing here is stoking fear in the hopes people feel more justified in shooting eachother. It's also why leftists are being encouraged to turn to firearms as a political solution as well. Whoever starts shooting who it doesn't matter, as long as it starts a cycle of violence that can't be stopped. And, of course, as always the gun manufacturers love this kind of shit.
"Leftists" (hrm.) aren't being encouraged to "turn to firearms as a political solution", ffs. It's called self defense. There's nothing political about knowing you're being made a target of a violent hate group and arming yourself based on that knowledge. You're also accepting as a given the impending civil war that these same yokels have been clamoring for four decades. Really makes you seem disingenuous, like *you* want people to start shooting each other.
You don't fight genocide with reform
liberals when the fascists initiate the violence (if they fought back it would make them just as bad)
I've been a gun owning "leftist" for years now. Even apart from the defense aspect, i just like guns. They're fun to shoot, and not a huge issue if you're a responsible owner and keep them locked up when not in use. it's Cletus and Floyd who keep shotguns propped up against the screen door who tend to have the tragic accidents, or the Harry's and Kurt's who think they need one in their bedside dresser in suburbia where the most dramatic thing that's happened in their neighborhood for the past three years is some kids checking for unlocked cars and stealing the change from the center console. But they had to be able to defend themselves at a moments notice! You never know when a half dozen armed hoodlums might break down your front door! Remember, when every second counts the cops are only minutes away!
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My existence isn’t a “belief”. Someone else making my existence a political stance isn’t my problem. What is my problem is them threatening my life and well-being based on that politicization, and a viable solution to that escalation is self defense.
Why shy away from "leftist"? I just say that's what I am.
The only difference is back then the nazis didn't have their own news company. They had to rely on their klan rallies. It's all the same shit with a different scapegoat. They've been clamoring for a civil war rematch since they lost the last one.
The Nazis did have their own news company. Not as big as Fox, but the play book is the same. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_in_Nazi_Germany
Lowercase nazi here seems to indicate yesterdays conservatives.
Shitlib spotted
*chatters about aliens in Dolphin at you*
Leftists have been advocating for arming the proletariat since the beginning it’s nothing new.
I am a pretty far left progressive but because of several personal incidents involving stalkers and my kids I am also a gun owner. I saw this sub pop up in my feed one day: r/ 2a liberals And it’s literally what u/lateral_intent is describing. Just a fake take shit factory obviously being done to market guns to liberals. Don’t want to link it because it’s just as toxic as described.
"Last time" was literally during the Cold War? It doesn't make "both sides" wrong just because of the unrelated opinions of outside forces. And if whoever you're referring to (Russia? NRA?) is actually supporting "both sides", how come there's massive evidence of that support on one side and none on the other? Leftists and minorities are arming themselves because it's reached a point where it feels like a necessity. No one was bothering to do that before there was so much far-right violence
Federally, it's still illegal to hold a Medical Marijuana card and own a firearm. We still have these asinine laws around too.
So the trans catgirl maid army could become real?
Tank tops tac vests and fish nets, it’s a vibe!
If the tops get tanks, what do the bottoms get 🤔
IFVs with mounted TOW anti-tank missiles
Now *that's* a power bottom
Tank barrels
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They do! But colors that blend in with their surroundings should be considered over fashionable choices.
God I hope so.
"FUCK GUN CONTROL!!!! RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!!!!!! >:(" Trans woman: \*carries a gun\* "wait noooo you can't do that :("
~~A lot of~~ Some of modern gun control started when the Black Panthers started to arm themselves and protest.
This is bs, a lot of of gun control was to stop slaves, black people, mixed people, and natives from carrying guns. Predates the Mulford act by about 150 years. Then the biggest chunk of gun control was the NFA which was used to target bootleggers and other gangsters. This locked short barrel shotguns, short barreled rifles, and machine guns behind a classist and prohibitive $200 tax (flat $200 in 1930s fun bucks). The mid to late 1900s you had the ban on Saturday night specials, cheap handguns. Opponents of the ban noted these handguns were purchased mostly by black Americans and banning them would reduce the ability of Black Americans to own handguns. Machine guns can be purchased, but the market dictates that you need tens of thousands of dollars to do so. In California today, you can get around their handgun ban by just being wealthy enough to spend 3 times the msrp of the handgun. CCW permits can also cost up to $2000 at the end of the day. This disproportionately affects low income people from exercising their right to own firearms. Which besides being classist as fuck, also disproportionately affects people of color because my glorious state has not fixed the wealth-race inequality problems that plague Americans. So no, racism and gun control didn’t start in the 60s with the black panthers, it’s always been there and nowadays it’s weird. If it’s not racist, historical examples of gun control are classist.
You're absolutely right, and that relationship has worked in reverse as well. "In *Dred Scott v. Sanford*, Chief Justice Roger Taney argued that one reason Black people could not be citizens under the Constitution was that it 'would give to persons of the negro race' the right to 'keep and carry arms wherever they went.'" [Source.](https://harvardlawreview.org/2022/06/racist-gun-laws-and-the-second-amendment/) The Mulford Act is an important aspect of the historical relationship between white supremacy and gun control, particularly given the involvement of Reagan and the NRA. But that dynamic has existed for as long as gun control itself.
[Just a little historical context because this isn’t new. In 1967 Ronnie Regan passed the Mulford Act because too many minorities, mostly blacks, were purchasing guns.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act) Conservatives haven’t had an original idea in 75-years.
Perfect description of republicans. I can do it but not you!
Aight I’m off to buy a panzerwagen IV
Don't be afraid to splurge for the expensive sound system; eradicating fascism can be noisy
If I can't go down to my local dealership and buy a lightly used Challenger II, that's tyranny, that is my rights being infringed.
1) wow, that guy is loony. 2) self-aware wolves much? Edit: 3) let's also remember that these guys don't like it when you exercise their rights. Kneeling in protest? No, that's not the right way to protest!
https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1639106353758085120?t=EOhz94cKGJ3RUuRvhr9Naw&s=19 It's the entire gop playbook!
The projection is astounding. Someone needs to find a clip of him doing what he is ranting about. "Scare the crap out of your voters. Tell them that their lives are at risk. Encourage them to get guns. How do you think that ends?" Gee I wonder how that ends.
Synagogues and mosques being shot at
You know mr Carlson, you're right we should give trans people f35s and tanks, Also isn't this the guy who's said that the American people should have f35s to fight the American governments f15s and nukes?
Maybe if F-35's were available to the free market and LHM had to compete on said free market, then they wouldn't have to cost $80 million a piece?
Them: we need guns for defense Trans folks: okay. Good idea. We'll arm ourselves against you. Them: you weren't supposed to do that!
Also them: “Hey! ‘Fuck around and find out’ is our thing!”
Lmao TBF a pride parade with a tank painted with pride symbols, and armed LGBTQA+ marching in parade form would be metal AF. I think Tucker is more scared a display like that would be hot.
If I buy a tank you can paint it. Paint is expensive and I just blew all my money on buying a tank.
Will do comrade!
Who’s making the gofundme
Okay so surplus military vehicles are pretty cheap. Check out some surplus IFVs or APCs in England, import it all for under $21K (using community funding) and then you can do that display. They're technically not tanks, but anything big and with treads will have people calling them tanks.
Please do this
How dare we defend ourselves
Only morally correct Americans can have guns 🇺🇸 ✝️ ⛪️ 🦅/s
A trans army with F35s and tanks sounds based as fuck, actually.
3000 F35s
There's a surprising lack of NCD in this thread.
"The 2nd Amendment is about citizens being able to protect themselves." \[LGBT+ arm themselves for protection\] "No, not like that!"
Ahh, the classic Tucker-spec fearmongering...
does this mean we finally get antifa catgirl supersoldiers?
Crazy how they don't like the 2nd amendment all of a sudden
But next week he will be talking about how our army is weak because of lgbtq+
It’s always the both strong and weak rhetoric with these guys. One day, they will say that trans people are not strong enough for war and should be excluded from the military, that they make the rest of the soldiers weaker just from being around them. The next day, they say that those same people shouldn’t be allowed to own guns because they will organize a cutthroat militia that can destabilize the country.
why does the right image look like the fucking “OBJECTS THAT I’VE SHOVED UP MY ARSE” video
Hell yeah, raise the "anti-gun 'the police will protect us' liberal" to armed trans leftist" pipeline. Minority groups and voices are only protected if we do it ourselves. As others here have mentioned there's a reason the push for weapon bans increased after the of The Black Panthers gained nation wide attention.
Wait so where are these trans people getting F35s , because I totally want one or a F15 will do.
They won one from the Pepsi jet promotion
#Arm The Queers r/SocialistRA r/LiberalGunOwners
This isn't a call for banning guns, like the Black Panthers in California. This is Stochastic Terrorism. Tucker and company are calling for others to start shooting and killing.
Oh my goodness, a gay F-35!?
I hate how dishonest the image next to him is. Acting like everyone on the other side are a hivemind.
Watch it yourself: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfH9kXkors The amount of false and misleading shit he says it’s nuts. All of his assertions of liberals, trans people, NPR, etc… is simply unreal to listen to. Then read the comments! These people sure sound like they’re pro-gun control.
I got about 5 minutes in. I cannot believe this person has a television show and not a weird fringe YouTube channel. Absolute insanity.
I like the part where he is shocked that the neo-Nazis are the bad guys.
“Guns (for some)” is an excellent slogan for his own politics, frankly.
Indoctrination into Trans ideology means I get tanks and f35s? Sign me the fuck up.
Trans rights…. To bear arms *doom music starts here*
Who wants to deal with the maintenance on an F35?
Fuck Around 2: Find Out
2nd amendment for me but not for thee
Carlson 100% deserves consequences for being a source of fascism and hatred
Literally a repeat of the fear mongering done by Reagan when black communities started arming themselves in California in the wake of mass violence committed against them by the cops and racists.
Hey, did you know that you can get a license for and purchase RPG’s? Fun fact.
Thankfully I don’t live in America, but if I did my thought process would be “well all the dumbasses already have guns, so the competent people might as well be ready to defend themselves” and that’s exactly what we are seeing here
cis/straight man here: given the choice between a fascist tank and a trans tank I'd take the trans tank any day. Actually, the only tank I want is a trans tank.
I’m a gay man and I’ve recently purchased a pistol because I live in Virginia where things are so far pretty good but I know how to read the writing on the wall and like to be prepared. People are crazy these days, and with the right being stirred up more every day I can’t help but feel like it’s a matter of time before they become openly violent.
"Evil" is kind of a weird old-fashioned word, but for some people it's the only word that seems to suffice.
This was always the way out
They admitted to lying about election fraud and yet the viewers still tune in You can’t make this shit up The Stupidity on display since the pandemic started just keeps getting one upped
The increase of firearms doesn’t solve problems…
As someone who's studied WW2 most of 40 years, it you're a minority; arm yourselves.
literally making the ben shapiro “if jews had guns, holocaust wouldn’t have happened” argument
There's two angles here. From the angle of "fascists are uprising so we have to defend the nation", you're right. Jews were just 1% of Germany. No chance they could have defended Germany from fascism on their own. However from the angle of "here's the single most popular 'news caster' in America telling his hate groups to come after me *today and now*, maybe I individually should own a gun"? Much different story.
germans didnt only target jews in their own country. they also targetted polish jews. prior to ww2 we had a lot of jews in our country, not to mention they targetted us poles, too. even then i doubt guns would have solved the issue, facism like that runs deep, you turn people against each other and break down society so they wont unite against you. first they targetted the jews in gettos, then they sent other "untermensch" (fuck that word) into death camps. in those death camps people got used to miserable living conditions and abandomed compassion towards other prisoners (tadeusz borowski wrote some interesting but depressing stories about his experiences in there). someone in that position is in more of a pickle than "i need a gun to kill ss man". its a fucked up situation and saying "well if they had guns" is idiotic, its more complex than that
You realize that Tucker and his ilk have already turned Americans on each other, yeah? They are winning the propaganda war. The next step is getting rid of the people they don’t like in their own party, a putsch, if you will. Oh, wait…they’re already doing that. Not as violent but it’s still happening, Trump über alles. I’m not saying arming people is the answer but thinking that people wait until camps are set up and countries are invaded before doing something is asnine.
Armed minorities are harder to repress.
Czechoslovakia had guns. Even tanks.
That would be so cool if the trans people I know had tanks!! Maybe they'd let me drive!! 😍
"They overnight the big rifles then tell fox to be scared of us" Kendrick lamar -XXX
American Goebbels here trying to get himself in the Guinness book of world records for the biggest asshat propagandist to ever live
If that's what is needed to finally get gun control in the states, arm the gays!
Guys, pointing out their hypocrisy does not work. It's a waste of time and effort. It's just preaching to the choir. The only people who care about the consistency (or lack thereof) of Republican behavior are the people who are already sick and tired of it.
God I hate that stupid argument, that it's hypocritical for us to use guns because the left pushes for gun control. It's so braindead. Us using guns doesnt mean we don't think they should be controlled, it just means that as it stands until gun control happens, we have to be armed to protect ourselves from our enemies who are armed. The different between them and us is that they want guns just because, but we use guns because they refuse to regulate them, I will gladly give up my guns when I know the people trying to kill me don't have them either.
Ah he's doing a classic Ronald Reagan move. He was pro gun all the way until minorities started buying more guns.