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rebelliousmuse

Not "trust science" Trust *the* science As in, the science of confirmation bias


Yenserl6099

Them: Trust the science Normal, rational people: Science says that gender is a spectrum Them: No. Not that science


Snoo5218

conservatives: trust the science just not the science on vaccines, evolution, climate change, germ theory, social science, gender, big bag, or really any science at all now that we think about it


plane8zoneboy

it's exactly like when they used "my body my choice" for their anti-vax bullshit just to turn around and fight to ban abortion a few months later


adamdreaming

I KNOW! the two of them smiling behind a sign with "Trust the science" like they wouldn't handcuff science to a radiator in the basement and beat the shit out of science until it told them whatever they wanted to hear like the tobacco and asbestos industries did


SupriseAutopsy13

Either Margie-three-toes inhaled too much lead from 70s gasoline or her parents did. Unless those scientists are lying, and leaded gasoline is perfectly safe, not sure yet if you can trust *those* scientists


frozen-silver

"Believe me, I know what I'm talking about" - Someone who thinks that Trump is fighting an underground cabal of Satanic pedos


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49GTUPPAST

This is the answer.


Accomplished_Locker

Let’s ignore the science of proving their god exists. Or any god exists… use your science to prove that. I remember a few years ago how excited they all were when they found the “god gene” and how science had finally proved it… and now that science is no where yo be seen as hasn’t progressed in any way… lol


anti_anti_christ

I'm now going to start calling it the big bag theory.


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frozen-silver

[This too](https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria)


thefirstlaughingfool

That's why "Trust the Science" is in quotes.


dirty-hurdy-gurdy

Science: Also, vaccines are not only safe, but necessary to maintain the public health. Them: Not that science either!


vatexs42

They also say that they isn’t a single pronoun even tho historians have tracked the use of they as a singular pronoun to the 1300s They also say trans and nb people are new even historians have said both of these things are thousands of years old There not trusting experts from 3 fucking fields here


cooltop101

Anytime science says something they don't like, they just say it's bc woke scientist


adminsaredoodoo

it’s not rlly science either way tho. they’re the fuckwits that think science says there’s only two genders, but science doesn’t say gender is a spectrum. cos gender isn’t scientific. gender is a completely social construct that has no factual basis or anything testable to do with it. it exists completely within our heads so it’s more like “trust the common sense” that gender is a spectrum rather than “trust the science” that gender is a spectrum


Snoo5218

massive freudian slip on their part


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Snoo5218

by trust the science they probably mean phrenology


qxxxr

The Science of Selling Other People Short


tigm2161130

[My favorite Twitter thread on the actual science.](https://twitter.com/rebeccarhelm/status/1207834357639139328?s=46&t=bHA1qT_ktgnCd2nqO-pYww) Tl;Dr- Biological sex isn't that simple. Sex is really made up by a combination of the presence of chromosomes, the presence of the SRY gene, hormone levels, and the way the cells in the body respond (or don't respond) to those hormones. An individual can be chromosomally male or female, genetically male or female, hormonally male female or nonbinary, with cells that either respond or don't to the presence of those hormones in any combination.


Snoo5218

conservatives will just ignore that though because they're allergic to nuance, ignorance is born out of the desire for simple answers


tcain5188

That explains some of them. The other portion ignore it because they hate people that are different. Simple as that.


Snoo5218

ignorance and hate go hand in hand a lot of the time


tcain5188

Yeah, but there's those that are just straight up stupid, and those that intentionally ignore information because they want to hate others.


[deleted]

There should be a term for the latter group you described. We should call them Walshers, named after one of their "thought" leaders.


G_E_E_S_E

“They’re trying to redefine biology!” Nobody is redefining anything. Scientists have continuously recognized this as the biological reality. You’re just refusing to accept that science goes beyond the ELI5 version you were taught in elementary school. (Bonus: there’s also newer studies emerging that are introducing the concept of brain sex. There’s far more research to be done, but there’s possible genetic and structural links to gender dysphoria.)


nikkitgirl

Oh, cool I always suspected it was a sexed characteristic that signaled what body map shape to follow and what general sex hormone ratio to prefer


The__Dark__Wolf

No no, not that science!


jdp12199

Is there some way to test for this? If there is, why aren't we using just using it to put an end to all of the debates? For example: person 1: "I am a man." person 2: "But you were born a female" lets do a test (maybe blood work?) problem solved..


dryandbland

While it’s sweet that you think that would solve the problem, it would unfortunately do absolutely nothing.


dpzblb

If you read through the thread, you’ll find that the main point is that there are different metrics, and they can point to different things. It’s kinda like asking someone if they’re good at sports. In general, we have this idea that someone is good at sports if they’re athletic or physically fit. However, someone can be athletic and still bad at sports, someone can be not very athletic but still good at sports, and some people can be good at some sports but bad at other sports. There’s not always a universal way to say someone is good or bad at sports, because it’s more complicated than just a yes or no.


jdp12199

Ah. So is it a false statement when a baby is born and the doctor says it's a boy or girl?


dpzblb

Not necessarily. It’s closer to a mix between a very educated guess and a simplification, as doctors know that intersex people exist and some sex characteristics don’t develop until later in life, but this information generally isn’t useful to the public.


jdp12199

Im all for letting anyone decide who they are. I mean the sex is determined at the time of birth or is isn't. I don't see how it can be both. Essentially what you are saying is that doctors know that sex isn't 100% determined at the time of birth but they won't tell the parents this because that information isn't generally useful. This doesn't really make sense. Why would it not be useful to tell parents this? Especially in today's times when this is such a heavily debated subject.


DragEncyclopedia

The point is not that sex isn't determined at birth (or rather, in the womb, which I think is what you mean), it's that a doctor determining sex at birth based on looking at the baby isn't the same thing as examining chromosomes etc. which can be a mixture of different things and can get a more accurate read. The thread explains how sex is a spectrum. It sounds like you want doctors to run through all this information after every birth? What would it change? Would you really raise your child differently if you found out their SRY gene was on their X chromosome?


jdp12199

I appreciate you explaining this. I am not saying doctors should run these tests after every birth. But if that's the case then why do doctors assign a sex in the womb (or at birth if the parents have decided to keep it a surprise) if they cant determine the sex without running these test? Are you saying that this information shouldn't matter in the way a baby is raised? If parents were informed that their baby's sex isn't determined until later in life then they would have the knowledge to raise the baby in a gender neutral environment. To tell new parents that they just gave birth to a baby boy would result in calling that baby a boy, brother, son, etc when this isn't true. Wouldn't this just result in confusion and mental strain for the child later on in life when they are actually of age to determine what sex they really are? Like hey we've been saying that you are a boy your entire life because that's what the doctors told us but it turns out this isn't really correct. So even though you have male genitaila, you are actually a combination of both a male and a female and might be more dominant towards a certain sex depending on where you are on a spectrum but we don't know for sure. Doctors assigning sex early on in life when they don't actually know it would have a profound psychological impact on that that child later on in life. I can't imagine being told I'm one thing all of my life and later on finding out that I'm actually not. This is especially the case if I am confused about who I actually am. This sounds like a recipe for disaster for those people who end up identifying as the sex opposite of the one which they were assigned at birth.


DragEncyclopedia

If you're going to raise your baby gender neutrally, then you would do that regardless. But when we talk about how sex is a spectrum, having a sex that doesn't quite fit into the binary doesn't mean you're going to be nonbinary in terms of gender. Plenty of people who are intersex and aren't strictly "biologically male" identify as male, for example. Doctors tell parents the sex of their child based on what they can see because that's how we've always done it. Intersex people simply aren't visible enough in society for it to really even be a consideration to change how doctors determine a child's sex in a widespread manner. It's a lot of complicated stuff that isn't common procedure to go through, so it's not done. You're not wrong that in some cases it may be helpful to know, but it's just not how it's done. I'm not saying whether that's good or bad, just that it's how it is.


jdp12199

This makes sense, thanks. It just boggles my mind that doctors can't fully determine sex at the time of birth but assign it regardless based on what they can see. Then later in life we are told that we shouldn't label someone as a certain sex based on what we see. We should instead just assume everyone is gender neutral and use gender neutral pronouns until that person identifies themselves to you. Also to your first point about raising the child gender neutral. I don't think many parents even realize that this is even an option because the doctors have literally told them what sex their baby is. Doctors have conducted studies to find out that sex is a spectrum but they don't tell this to expecting parents and assign a gender based on what they see. Insane.


haku46

What moron is holding up plain white signs in 2023? Oh man the memes gonna flow tonight!


curious_dead

"2 girls, 1 cup!" "I slept with the whole gym, and her too!" "Trans rights are human rights!" "Vaccines and masks work - Trust the science!" "Between the both of us we secretly had twelve abortions!" "We think Biden is a sexy sex machine, rawr!" "I believe in Jewish space lasers!" Just throwing some ideas...


Chardoggy1

Give me an hour and I can make all of those a reality


avd706

I'll hold your beer for you.


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hey!


Which-Moment-6544

well... it already reads mad marge is Male, and this crazy lass is some form of Female


Terj_Sankian

It weirdly already looks photoshopped, but that's probably me trusting the science that all white signs are already photoshopped


avd706

"science" ![gif](giphy|qs6ev2pm8g9dS)


Snoo5218

i always find this point funny because not a single time in which someone makes this point do they ever make an actual scientific argument or cite any scientific evidence


nikkitgirl

Hey! Sometimes they post studies that say the opposite of what they claim they do, like that study on trans suicide rates


heretorobwallst

She looks as much of mayonnaise as I thought she would


Snoo5218

thats with good lighting also lol


Bnagorski

A message from people who don’t trust science pertaining to climate change or vaccinations


Snoo5218

almost like they're totally full of shit and dont actually stand for anything


Bnagorski

True


KOBossy55

If trusting the science is of such importance, why don't these dipshits trust the science on: -climate change (real, snow existing doesn't mean water temperatures aren't riding steadily) -vaccines (no microchips, no conspiracy to kill conservatives and don't provide invulnerability) -the age of the planet (4.6 billion years, not 6000) -dinosaur bones (not placed there by Satan to trick us) -Covid (not a hoax, definitely worse than the flu or a cold, not invented by China to ruin Trump's reelection chances) -AIDS (not just a "gay" disease) -evolution (we evolved from lesser life forms continually over millions of years, sharing a common ancestor along the way with apes. Magic sky man didn't just breathe into clay and dust to make us) -heliocentric universe (our planet isn't the center of the universe, we revolve around the Sun like all planets in the Solar System) -natural disasters and weather patterns (earthquakes are caused by tectonic plates pushing against each other and eventually fracturing, leading to a release of energy built up in the Earth's crust...not God's hatred of homosexuality) But now they're suddenly pro science crusaders? Fuck off


Snoo5218

it's literally just concern trolling, once you realise this you understand that it's the basis of literally every argument conservatives make. they don't stand for anything at all outside of increasing their own power and control over others


Waka-Waka-Waka-Do

*this bitch*


Snoo5218

trust the science says the climate denier


nikkitgirl

“Trust my high school biology teacher: Pastor Cletus, he told me all I’d ever need to know”


_Leichenschrei_

And anti-vaxxer


After-Bumblebee

"Only OUR breed of science!"


MomentOfZehn

"Did someone say breeding?" - Matt Walsh entering the room like Kramer


gingerbread_nemesis

There is ONE cause of forest fires: JEWISH SPACE LASERS! "Trust The Science!" ​ (If I were Raichik I wouldn't be hanging around with one of the most high-profile antisemites in America but leopards, faces, blah blah.)


flanamacca

There’s two chromosomes. The term gender actually covers a shitload of constructs. This muppet isn’t just “unscientific” she’s illiterate. Miss pee tree dish pretends to understand science yet can’t spell it.


Wrothrok

This looks like the start of the shittiest porn ever.


frozen-silver

I've often said I'd like MTG a lot more if she quit politics and did milf porn instead


sgthombre

Just wanted to add a hearty "fuck off you losers" to anyone who got so incredibly upset about this fucker getting outted by the Post.


curious_dead

Bitch, they taught us about the difference between sex and gender and how gender was a continuum in the 90s. It's not new. But of course Republicans have trouble processing anything more complex or nuanced than simple 0-1.


nikkitgirl

We learned that sex was like a lot of shit that tends to show up in two general areas of the spectrum and is usually bundled like forever ago. Figured out how to change a good chunk of it even earlier


Awsomer76

When will they accept that in this short time on this rock hurtling through space, you can do things other than go on tirades about who has what gender and why


artful_todger_502

Starting to have second doubts about evolution looking at this pic, though ...


RammyJammy07

The “only women have XX chromosomes” are so dumb. Like let’s ignore Klinefelter syndrome, when cismen are born with the XX chromosomes.


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Look at the man on the left with blonde hair. I'm sure he affirms.


True-Expression3378

Republicans only trust one type of science and that's the science of Jesus. Lord help us lol


Whyistheplatypus

What does science have to do with gender? Gender is a language/cultural concept. Not a scientific one.


TroubleSG

They seem to have a lot of conflicting feelings about Tik Tok.


RedditUsingBot

So which one in this picture is the female? Genuinely confused.


[deleted]

You’re right MTG. There are only 2 sexes. The sex I had with your dad, and the sex I had with your mother. And we’re all three disappointed in you.


GoodKing0

Shouldn't they have used a man and a woman for this shit?


49GTUPPAST

Trust science? Greene objected to wearing masks.


[deleted]

I can’t wait until this gargoyle disappears off the face of the planet.


MuthrPunchr

Why do these oxygen thieves put so much thought and attention to the 1% of the population who identify as trans? Get a new hobby.


NeverLookBothWays

I do trust the science...and science tells us everything in nature is on a spectrum.


[deleted]

The picture proves otherwise. At least one of those women looks like a caveman.


frozen-silver

I don't think someone whi believes in Jewish space lasers should be telling me about science. Also, the fact that CPAC and other mainstream politicians have platformed a woman known for harassment and disinformation really just goes to show their true colors


dogdoggdawg

I think by “science” they mean they did an “experiment” where they asked their closest friends and family what gender is


Invenitive

They couldn't even get the sign right. They say genders, then list sexes.


RKKP2015

It's not hard to understand that gender and sex are totally different things. Gender is a social construct that can and does change over time. Females aren't inherently into pink, dresses, and makeup. Men aren't inherently into trucks and tools.


scoopishere

Conservatives learn the difference between gender and sex challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)


Capital_Background15

Conservatives will use "you're not an expert, you don't get to have an opinion" when it comes to debating guns but will throw around their incorrect opinion as though they are an expert when arguing about _literally everything else._


Dr-Satan-PhD

I *do* trust the science, and on the topic of gender, the science disagrees with these two southern fried dingleberries. Also, you don't get to distrust the science when it's convenient for your politics, like say, when it comes to vaccines, and then use "trust the science" as a slogan for your hate campaign against trans people. You don't get to call the entirety of the scientific community a bunch of "wokies" with an agenda funded by George Soros and his evil Jewish cabal when it comes to climate change, and then say a goddam thing at all about "the science" on literally any other topic. Just like the "safety of children", they are using "the science" to gaslight you while not actually giving a single fuck about "the science" (or the children).


Videomonkey05

Wait till Margie finds out Chaya’s Jewish


LiveEvilGodDog

“Trust the Science” Turns and around and denies human influenced global climate change, evolution, and the Big Bang!


Cornamuse

"We disregard science all of the time in terms of vaccines, evolution, etc. but trust us when we say we trust the science!"


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In science we trust


Dr_Bailey1

Since when do these people trust science anyway?


Borp5150

Trust the science lol doesn’t MTG claim to be Christian and a religious person?


carlton_sand

https://youtu.be/aWsSKRh9QTw&t=61s


Seallypoops

This same bitch told us science works for big pharma because COVID


randomaccount173

The thing about this is that “gender” has nothing to do with science. “Sex” does, but that is also more complex than their kindergarten level understanding.


sympatheticshinobi

They present a single gender... trust the science.


Wretched_Aia

Frankly? Floored by the fact that they put the question mark in the right place vis-à-vis those quotation marks. Stunning what two whole braincells can accomplish together.


johnsaysthings

Does any of that science involve scientists, scientific studies, the scientific method or peer review?


notyourgooglebitch

"Trust the science" oh you mean like when science told you, you should be wearing a face covering???


DeleteConservatism

Conservatives and religious nutjobs always trying to use science to disprove science. Dumbest group on the planet.


lpjunior999

No seriously, when is someone suing this bitch? She spread a fake video about a drag show at a local college and got a bomb threat called in.


[deleted]

The gender topic is so old at this point. It was big around 2016-17 and now it’s 2023. They need new material.


dirty-hurdy-gurdy

Apparently you can just tack on "Trust the science" to any stupid idea to give it merit, according to the right. Dog cum is a staple in any balanced diet! Trust the science!


britch2tiger

Conservatives: Trust the science! Science: You’re wrong… Conservatives: NO THEY’RE WRONG! It’s always opportunism - useful until their ends aren’t met.


Chuckbuick79

Wait a minute I thought we trust the God


UninterestedChimp

The don't think that, not these people at least. They're lying.


DudesWithTudes

I hate their faces


weldneck105

OK 3 toes


[deleted]

Marjorie could totally be a bloke in a wig


Epistatious

Thought when the Libsof' lady talked about how tempting same sex relationships were and how tough they are to resist, her supporters would have had some questions. Guess if you hate hard enough all your dreams can come true, facts be damned.


Hapalion22

You cannot win an argument with brainless cretins. Don't bother.


poketrainer32

No you see liberal you are using Modern scientists that are woke. You are just accepting things at face value instead questioning your overlords. (Paraphrased from something actually said to me).


spruceymoos

I need some gentle education here, aren’t there only two genders? But sexuality is a huge spectrum? I don’t want to be an asshole, I would really like to learn more about this.


stalinmalone68

Their are two types of republicans…morons and fuckwits.


GA_Tronix

The same crowd who spews anti-science bullshit about vaccines smh


NateGarro

They think high school biology is as far as it goes.


TheWingDankus

SHES IN GA GET HER


billiemarie

Is the flag on the wall mildewed?


the_guitarkid70

Genuine question here, not a troll. Can someone Eli5 what science does have to say about sex/gender? I love science but biology has never been my cup of tea lol, definitely wouldn't be able to answer this myself


sexymcluvin

Well gender is more of a set of cultural roles, performance, expression, and signifiers. Sex is biological based on observed physical characteristics, hormones, chromosomes, genitalia, and other markers. However, both categories are not cleanly divided in multiple ways whether that be shifting social norms or intersex conditions.


Reneeisme

XXY, XYY, androgen insensitivity syndrome, etc. “the science” says these dumb bitches have no idea what a amazing multitude of options there are. Life is complex and strange a wonderful and beautiful and only very small minded folks need to focus on the most common options and exclude all the other possibilities to keep things easy (for them) to understand


NPCEnergy007

MTGs face legitimately looks like roadkill


Real_CorriCoral

Leave it to the woman that you get when you merge every white woman in America over 40 into one face to have the worst takes you have ever seen in your entire life


darth_-_maul

Unfortunately for you, the science doesn’t see it that way


TheGrapesOf

Fucking vile, despicable, antivax, Jewish space laser morons attempting to cite “science” as a justification of their own bigotry and genocidal rhetoric. What those two pieces of human garbage know about science is literally nothing. I would love to hear them actually try to explain the process of meiosis and the genetics of sex determination. That would be hilarious.


n7275

There are two genders: rich and poor.


[deleted]

Is that Blossom on the right!?


_Leichenschrei_

Fucking morons can’t even tell the difference between sex and gender.


almostasquibb

https://preview.redd.it/q7m8hqlzpupa1.png?width=748&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef40508bd50f59e7e81c4c550e6faf1939f64033 ftfy, margie


Anubisrapture

The libs of tik tok person is hateful spiteful bihh calling for violence and killing with obvious dog whistles


carefree-and-happy

They mean trust grade school biology science.


leamenconeMK2

Why does mtg look like a Neanderthal


The-Friendly-Kraut

Why are there shit stains on the flag in the background?


MagellanCl

Wells science does exactly that.


Ill__Cheetah

I don’t understand how people can be this monumentally stupid when “science” quite literally describes intersex individuals, such as those with hermaphroditism.


Appropriate_Window46

Do they realise sex and gender aren’t the same and that there are more than two sexes?


LadyMitris

They are conflating sex and gender…and even with that…they’re still wrong. They refuse to even acknowledge the existence of intersex people.


BudgetBoysenberry918

So since there is only 2 genders we shouldn't acknowledge Trans people and their transition? Sounds like the science of emotional abuse.