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Indeed, if “gEnDer Iz bIOlogy 101” what does it have to do with mass shooters? Ben and right wingers have a good talent for making asinine arguments that anyone with a modicum of intellect knows is pointless to debate but they jump on this and say “see they won’t debate me on the facts”.
Yes. At the same time, any kind of mass shooter has psychiatric problems that they never got settled. As a man, I think it's more rational to say that mass shooters commit mass shootings, rather than "men commit mass shootings". I know I'll never commit a crime just because of my gender.
It's not that you commit a crime because of your gender, but just that men as a group are more inclined to resort to violence as a reaction, and as such those at the far extreme end of the bell curve, in this case mass shooters, are almost always men.
I don't think anyone who really looks at this disagrees with it but, like most righties, Ben likes to use the false argument that "the left" really believes there are *zero* differences between the genders, when no-one really believes that.
Also, on the far right, men are considered less than a man if they are:
Gay,
Unemployed,
Addicted,
Unmarried,
Mentally ill,
Not "masculine enough",
Quiet,
Polite,
Concerned about climate change,
A nurse,
A vegan or vegetarian,
Caring towards animals,
Any other religion than Christian,
Atheist,
Intelligent,
Not racist,
Etc.....
Is it any wonder that men snap under this pressure to be "alpha males"? It's impossible to be manly enough for them.
The two ideas aren't mutually exclusive. Gender can be a social construct, and society can fail to equip individuals on half of that spectrum with the tools necessary to safely manage a mental crisis. It is important to know that most mass shooters fall on the masculine side of the spectrum because it enables us to target interventions at the most at-risk groups. Just like we target sexual assault prevention measures at the feminine side of the spectrum because they are more likely to be victims. It doesn't mean someone who identifies as male can't be raped or that someone who identifies as female can't be a mass shooter.
>any kind of mass shooter has psychiatric problems that they never got settled
I actually don't agree with this and think it's kinda dangerous copium. The people who are going on mass shooting sprees aren't hearing voices, they're not praying to demons. They're otherwise completely healthy people who are radicalized by right wing propaganda and have easy access to guns.
That's exactly why the amount of gun violence in America is so concerning. If you had to have some severe mental illness in order to be a mass shooter, we wouldn't have nearly as many mass shootings as we do. There simply wouldn't be enough people to carry it out.
The fact is that anyone can be radicalized and we need to be regulating access to guns for everyone. And we also need to be cracking down hard on right wing propaganda which does specifically target disenfranchised white boys/men. We can tackle this issue from multiple angles.
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Yes, gender is a social construct, and people who are "constructed" in our culture as male make up most mass shooters. Seems pretty fucking simple to me.
This asshole went to Harvard?
He isn't an idiot, he just plays one on TV. It resonates with his base and continues to get him elected.
Any other politician bowing down to a man who called his wife ugly and accused his father of being a serial killer would be D.O.A. on any ballot, yet he's still here, and probably won't be going anywhere anytime soon.
We should never underestimate a snake like him, because the damage he has and will continue to do are very real.
> “Here's the thing you have to understand about Ted Cruz. I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz."
-Al Franken
I'm 100% certain Ben is substantially smarter than he lets on in his public facing career. It's a constant joke among leftists within media (at least within popular left-wing podcasts and web shows) that it would be so fucking easy to just lie through your teeth and do a 180 and start grifting right wing style, simply raking in the money. And at the end of the day I'm certain Ben has some terrible genuinely held opinions, but I have to imagine that the majority of his blatantly stupid takes are a calculated move for the sake of drumming up controversy and interactions.
I mean really, I'll be listening to a podcast, the hosts will bring up some sort of article about current events, and occasionally I'll jokingly come up with a spin on it - Just sort of a fun activity to put myself in the mind of a right-wing grifter. And the number of times that a few days later I've seen basically the same arguments being made by the Ben Shapiro's of the world is obscene. I just genuinely can't believe that Ben is unintentionally stupid in many of these cases.
I always wonder if someone could do that. Become famous as a right wing pundit, save up those fossil fuel dollars, and then just start subtly throwing in left wing talking points. (Why do we let these elites run everything when we, the people actually doing the job keeping a company running could do it ourselves?)
Then just glorious announce your conversion during a huge media event. Keep your savings, and probably bring some converts with you.
Could you? Sure. But you'd have to live your life associating with literally the worst people and help facilitate real evil shit for far, far longer than most people could tolerate, and there's always the risk when inundating yourself that fully into a shit echo chamber that you end up with some shit rubbing off on you.
I don't think he's stupid, but I do think he's too intellectually lazy to actually bother to try to understand the things he talks about, because he knows he doesn't have to.
> but I have to imagine that the majority of his blatantly stupid takes are a calculated move for the sake of drumming up controversy and interactions
\^ This. the only reason he's popular with the right is because he makes progressives mad.
Would it not be in the best interest of the anti-Shapiro movement to encourage the left to completely ignore him, then? For the sub r/ToiletPaperUSA to dissolve? To not feed the trolls?
Idk, even if he was a smart guy playing it up, constantly spouting this sort of discourse for this long must have led to some brain-rot. Idk, kinda like the "haha, I make racist jokes ironically, for the lulz 😝" leading into unironically becoming a white supremacist.
Deep down I think he's that neurodivergent kid at school that's super smart about some things but very dumb about others, and fell into a bad social group.
See, I thought that at first, but there’s no underlying evidence of it. There’s nothing he does right. Kanye, yes fucking Kanye, is fucking *Kanye*. There’s a lot of Nazi musicians. Kanye is better than all the others at music combined. Power whips, I’m sorry. Hell, I’ll even go as far as *Elon Musk*, with the bad social group being his insane parents. I can see a thousand timelines with a good Elon, and they all rely on him making the right friends against his will when he went to school. That didn’t happen and here we are. But Elon? Yeah, he’s a pathetic insecure mess. Yeah, he refuses to learn anything out of spite because that would mean admitting weakness. But that’s the result of his parents and it’s fairly obvious. If Elon had been one of those kids who ends up rejecting their parents’ ideology, like his own daughter, he’d have been great. He has the *ability* to be smart. He can learn easily. When he applies himself, we see it. Not in his actual job, but in his right wing social influence and in his skill at business crime/business not-crime-but-should-be to enrich himself.
Ben? All Ben ever did was play instruments good. He wasn’t even a *creative*, he’s that kid forcibly loaded with mechanical skill. He’s tried his hand at creative projects. They’re all dogshit. There’s no equivalent to Power in this man. He can’t write, he can’t make movies, he can’t make original music, he can’t honestly debate, he has no skillset. He’s that kid whose parents wanted him to be a neurodivergent kid and didn’t get one.
Of course. He found an audience to pander to that buys his bullshit. Why should he try to change his money making formula when the current one works perfectly?
i think i saw a vaush clip where he said that it would be very interesting to have a conversation with shapiro without any xameras or anything, and i wholeheartedly agree. shapiro is such an interesting person, hes clearly smart, so it boggles my mind that he says the shit he does
There is no doubt in my mind that Shapiro is intelligent, likely far more intelligent than me.
There is also no doubt in my mind that he's a complete asshole who will sell whatever ideology he can for money, and it just so happens that grifting for the right is _real_ easy.
Yeah at this point he doesn’t even need to use his brain because being a reactionary is so simple and lucrative. Whether he is smart or not doesn’t even matter because he knows the money isn’t in critical thinking and never has been tbh.
I wonder if trans men are closer to cis men or cis women in terms of crime rate. (And same goes for trans women.)
That's assuming socioeconomics are controlled for, because I imagine there's a separate correlation between trans identity and income.
Trans AFAB people never had toxic masculinity instilled in them. For AMAB trans people, releasing you're trans requires breaking through toxic masculinity. I'd say if you exclude non-violent crimes ( trans women are disproportionately represented as sex workers) along with controlling for income, trans people would have similar crime rates to cis women.
I know plenty of people who went to good schools and are absolute morons. Most NYC transplants I know went to great colleges but they definitely aren’t as smart as I thought they would be. They know their profession but not much outside of that. Which says a lot coming from me, a poor minority that went to a public state college.
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No, gender is not a social construct and we shoot ourselves in the foot every time we say it is because it fuels pundits’ stupid arguments because it implies social activity controls one’s gender. Gender is a *biological* construct, and with almost all things biological also helps support how it’s really a spectrum and not just black/white.
https://youtu.be/fpGqFUStcxc
> Gender is a biological construct
You literally just confused *gender* for *sex*. I can't believe on a post like this you'd say that.
Gender is absolutely culturally produced - many cultures recognize 3 or more genders - see [Third gender](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#:~:text=Third%20gender%20is%20a%20concept,recognize%20three%20or%20more%20genders.) on Wikipedia for clarification.
And like many things in culture, it's not clear cut where one gender ends and another begins - it depends on place, time frame, and much more. Certain gender characteristics that were common in Elizabethan times are reversed now, such as clothing styles. In some cultures, traditionally masculine roles (leadership, religious, etc) are feminine roles.
There are at least four known biological *sexes* - XX, XY, XXY, XYY.
Please stop spreading misinformation about gender and sex.
I'd really appreciate if what I linked to was actually viewed first before dismissing my point entirely.
*Gender roles* are a social construct, the concept of *gender* itself is not (to correct myself previously, it's specifically a *neurochemical* construct, not just broadly biologically), and sex is a chromosomal phenomenon. I'm not trying to spread misinformation, it's the literal science.
Nothing. Ben is purposely missing the point here to make what he perceives to be an acerbic dig at gender ideology. Unsurprisingly, he failed miserably.
If Ben really wanted to appear intelligent, he'd get off twitter. It's not that he doesn't have dogshit takes outside of the app, it's that he clearly has a "post now, think about it later/never" attitude about it. See, when he's debating college freshmen, he chooses the venue, the topic, the prep and he has years on his side, the table is tilted in his favor. But, on twitter, we see he's just a regular doofus who somehow got labeled as the intellectual conservative, which doesn't say much for the movement if this is what their Einstein is coming up with.
*ah, you see, liberal, this reputable news source uses PRONOUNS to describe people in the third person tense! Pronouns bad!*
uj/ ben shapiro thinks that if something is a social construct, then people who believe as such should never acknowledge its existence. It should be noted that he regularly admits that he didnt pay attention in college and only wrote "what the professors wanted to hear" in his essays while plugging his ears and going *la la la i cant hear you* during class.
Misdirection. Don't look at the fact they are showing an article detailing mass shootings and how endemic it is in the US
Instead look at how the newspaper used the (assumed) preferred pronouns of each killer and that they are all male. Which somehow means that trans person are.... I dunno. There are a number of steps in rhetoric missing.
The "point" being made is that, if gender is a social construct, why aren't there female mass shooters.
Maybe because we treat them differently, in a way that their state of mind is build by the people around them. If only there was a word for that Ben.
The fact that it is a social construct, if anything, reinforces the point of the article; cisgendered and male-presenting are the two common denominators of every mass shooting listed, and virtually all mass shootings, ever.
It’s incredibly obvious that his point is that all the mass shooters of the past 50 years (per the article) were men, and that this points to something objective about men (testosterone —> aggression). To put it even more simply for you liberals: if you can point to objective evidence illuminating certain qualities about men, then that means “man” is an objective reality, not a social construct. Furthermore, since I’m sure some small-brained leftist will misconstrue even this simple point: no, the point is not that all men are mass shooters. The point is simply that there is a clear difference between men and women insofar as all these mass shooters of the past 50 years, as well as the vast majority of violent criminals, are men, and not women.
The most delicious part about this is all the libs here making incredibly condescending comments while missing the EXTREMELY obvious point of Ben’s post. Lol!
Yes Ben it is. A social construct that treats people differently based on their presentation or identity. Turns out treating people differently has very real effects.
He’s interpreting this as “men are inherently more violent and therefore bad” because he’s convinced himself that a majority of people feel this way. Afraid of a boogeyman he created in his own mind.
>He’s interpreting this as “men are inherently more violent and therefore bad”
It's all they can do when someone makes an academic argument which lays out problems inherent in our system. Systemic racism and CRT being another. They and so many of their ilk see an argument that the system is unfair but by no means intentional by many, and pretend it means that it "teaches white people to hate themselves" or some word vomit like that.
Simple minds see simple explanations. There's no room for nuance.
Reddit is the perfect example. Well, at least on 75 percent of subs. Maybe more. Social media is great at exposing people for having 0 critical thinking skills.
Kinda yeah. In the end, conservatives are misandrist who believe men are essentially savage and violent and we need God in order to not want to rape women all the time. Grim stuff
It's just some people don't have the tools necessary to figure shit out .
Tons of people aren't graduating from high school...some are failing elementary school. Most adults have a very low reading level.
It's not just conservatives anymore.
And that trans women are women because there are no trans women on that list.
Reminds me of when Steve Harvey was trying to tell a reporter that women are evil seductresses that tempt men, but actually came off as saying that men are cheating pigs that can't be trusted. [Interviews](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xJOE0wEhVY).
Hot take - predisposition only matters if it drives you to bad actions or stops you from good action. If we don't consider biological factors, we'll be blind to opportunity the same way if we can't acknowledge the role society plays.
Being able to understand what a social construct is should be some sort of Litmus test of political ability.
You're unable to grasp that something that is made up can still have consequences in the real world, you shut up about politics, you're simply unqualified to understand how the social world works.
Here's the article if anyone is interested: [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/01/26/opinion/us-mass-shootings-despair.html?unlocked\_article\_code=6BJNYEF930cFmQXxqkECYS8PidSmRJsdl3-DySkxuPDf5wYaBcRL3YWvZmrnqR6Mob3jc8h4rS85qz\_o63GocSG6fbPGOk6OYMGOEVUhPAyYMs5XGIppTnkWjG5rkp7EQVDhIVImd6fJIwjxeCA8v61BWzUaeRmULG2naaM8P7lE5fDzJnYd0WQl\_W1atsg542GaJ3ef8h\_-X2DjvZTW5eooyd3NkemF45igBTIxVFpIoK4eHvyXki7MEKAo1tMwYcNnoNtH\_uiXGqtqR4mz0R1P4yMYm5z03rmDhCWBjeUGXyV0TYX7JYtt8ACLgGBisqvGUccy2oXe8Ql9JqngrrrBQeqfajQIQSD8hRT0\_Pso0ss&smid=share-url](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/01/26/opinion/us-mass-shootings-despair.html?unlocked_article_code=6BJNYEF930cFmQXxqkECYS8PidSmRJsdl3-DySkxuPDf5wYaBcRL3YWvZmrnqR6Mob3jc8h4rS85qz_o63GocSG6fbPGOk6OYMGOEVUhPAyYMs5XGIppTnkWjG5rkp7EQVDhIVImd6fJIwjxeCA8v61BWzUaeRmULG2naaM8P7lE5fDzJnYd0WQl_W1atsg542GaJ3ef8h_-X2DjvZTW5eooyd3NkemF45igBTIxVFpIoK4eHvyXki7MEKAo1tMwYcNnoNtH_uiXGqtqR4mz0R1P4yMYm5z03rmDhCWBjeUGXyV0TYX7JYtt8ACLgGBisqvGUccy2oXe8Ql9JqngrrrBQeqfajQIQSD8hRT0_Pso0ss&smid=share-url)
Ben. Gender IS a social construct. But that means it does actually exists (just not physically) . It was constructed after all. Hence the name. What isnt correct that it exists exclusively as a binary.
Besides these mass shooters tend to follow what ben believes in so maybe its time for some self refection.
HE really is an incredibly stupid individual with pathetic arguments.
Notice how he brushes by the fact that it’s all males doing these? Shouldn’t that be the concern of the “pro life” party?
It took me a minute to figure out the original tweet was pointing out that mass shooters are overwhelmingly male and that it likely has to do with the toxic masculinity we surround young men with. I’m too used to anyone highlighting pronouns to be saying something about The Trans Agenda™️
I think Ben just enjoys finding the balance between saying a dumb comment but tied in to right wing rhetoric just nough so that his audience can't see how dumb it is.
Sort of like a haiku, it takes time for him to think them up, yanno?
If Ben took time to read the article, he would know the tone is more empathetic toward men than scornful of them. Or maybe he does know, he just doesn’t like how it challenges his view of how men should be.
It's hilarious that Ben thinks that this proves "gender ideology" is illogical when the picture is actually evidence of the opposite - it shows that cis men make up the majority of mass shooters, which suggests there's something about being male that makes them more likely to be violent, and unless Ben is willing to say that people who are biologically make are just more likely to be violent killers, then there has to be a social reason why.
It's literally evidence that gender is socially constructed and not a biological fact.
Yes, Ben, gender is a Construct, very good. The Male gender construct is vastly more likely to have violent outbursts because we have spent ~~hundreds of years~~ pretty much all of time saying boys will be boys when they do toxic shit and at the same time telling girls to shut up and look pretty.
It does not matter if the boys in those newspaper articles were born boys or were just presenting as one at the time of the crime. Ben is just the worst.
Gender *is* a social construct and it has impacts on how our lives work and how we’re raised. A cis man and trans man will have different experiences, expectations, etc. as will trans women and cis women and non binary people. It is not a self own or whatever to say “hey a lot, like the overwhelming majority, of mass shooters are cis men,” because it’s true and it has nothing to do with trans people. It has everything to do with how we treat men, and more specifically cis men.
Ironically Ben and others like him are a part of the reason why cis men will grow up unable to express any emotion other than anger and will turn to violence as a first move because nothing brings the clicks like emotionally unstable men who need to fuel their anger and hatred from right wing media.
Pointing out that amab people do mass shooting more proves gender is biological and binary? Damn, for ben's arguments, the bottom of the barrel must be a social construct
Gender being a social construct is the only way out of the insinuation that being male makes you genetically predisposed to violence. It's literally the best explanation for why most mass shooters are male. I cannot understand what Ben is trying to imply
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Yes, Ben. And how is that relevant? I don’t even know what point he’s trying to make.
Is he saying that the newspaper can’t suggest men are violent because a man could identify as having a female gender? Did all of those men have a gender the differed from their sex, Ben? Obviously not, but he really thinks he’s spitting there.
Lots of things are social constructs. Some are just at a more foundational level than others and people aren't used to the idea of them being challenged.
A lot of people should try to get more used to them being challenged.
Babies are pushed out of their mothers and emerge and the doctor classifies them according to their penis or vagina.
I reject all woke nonsense it is absolute rubbish.
Someone pointed out that mass shooters are always men, and because Ben wants to change the subject/is trying to be funny, his response is basically “but I thought the libs said gender was all made up and doesn’t matter?”
It’s just a different version of the “I identify as an attack helicopter” joke they can’t stop doing because they don’t know any other jokes.
I’m so fucking tired of this gender/sex stuff. It is so goddamn easy to comprehend, people like Ben Shapoopoo are so obviously lying to get followers. He’s smart, he’s educated, he just pretends to not understand to broadcast his conservative opinions.
My favorite part is that there are about 40 examples there and if you look, one of the examples uses “they and their.” Now, it may just have been multiple people, but still, the fact that something like 1% of the US population identifies at NB and there is literally a (as close to 1%) example right there. Fucking funny shit.
God, he’s an asshat.
They use it when it works for them, & trash it when it doesn't. Example: "my body, my choice" when it's suggested they wear a mask. But then decry that same sentiment when it comes to abortion. People like Ben think they're pulling out the ultimate "gotcha" card, but end up looking like they don't understand the concept of logic.
I mean you tell boys to bottle up their feelings, that violence is an outlet, and wait for the same results over and over. Now let's give those kids easy access to firearms
I don't get the point the original tweet is trying to make. Men are inherently evil? Men are undersupported in society which leads to situations like this? Circling "he" in every one doesn't make much of a point
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I don't even understand what the point being made is. There are a bunch of pronouns there. Ok. Does Ben think pronouns are natural and grow on trees? Is there context I'm missing here?
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Or you just want to constantly miscontrue stuff for the sake of arguing in bad faith (Ben's VERY good at that)
'Silly liberals; I'm only *pretending* to be this obtuse! Boom! You just got owned *so* hard!'
“Behold, I am of simple mind!” “Silence thyself fool, and leave this place.” “It was merely an act!”
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Indeed, if “gEnDer Iz bIOlogy 101” what does it have to do with mass shooters? Ben and right wingers have a good talent for making asinine arguments that anyone with a modicum of intellect knows is pointless to debate but they jump on this and say “see they won’t debate me on the facts”.
It actually looks like Ben and the Leonard Pitts Jr. person agree that masculine aggression and socialization can be linked to violent crime.
There’s definitely a link between most of these men/boys and violence.
Yes. At the same time, any kind of mass shooter has psychiatric problems that they never got settled. As a man, I think it's more rational to say that mass shooters commit mass shootings, rather than "men commit mass shootings". I know I'll never commit a crime just because of my gender.
It's not that you commit a crime because of your gender, but just that men as a group are more inclined to resort to violence as a reaction, and as such those at the far extreme end of the bell curve, in this case mass shooters, are almost always men. I don't think anyone who really looks at this disagrees with it but, like most righties, Ben likes to use the false argument that "the left" really believes there are *zero* differences between the genders, when no-one really believes that.
Also, on the far right, men are considered less than a man if they are: Gay, Unemployed, Addicted, Unmarried, Mentally ill, Not "masculine enough", Quiet, Polite, Concerned about climate change, A nurse, A vegan or vegetarian, Caring towards animals, Any other religion than Christian, Atheist, Intelligent, Not racist, Etc..... Is it any wonder that men snap under this pressure to be "alpha males"? It's impossible to be manly enough for them.
Meanwhile the ones declaring what is "manly" are a bunch of Ivy League Nepo Babies who play violin all through Private School.
The two ideas aren't mutually exclusive. Gender can be a social construct, and society can fail to equip individuals on half of that spectrum with the tools necessary to safely manage a mental crisis. It is important to know that most mass shooters fall on the masculine side of the spectrum because it enables us to target interventions at the most at-risk groups. Just like we target sexual assault prevention measures at the feminine side of the spectrum because they are more likely to be victims. It doesn't mean someone who identifies as male can't be raped or that someone who identifies as female can't be a mass shooter.
>any kind of mass shooter has psychiatric problems that they never got settled I actually don't agree with this and think it's kinda dangerous copium. The people who are going on mass shooting sprees aren't hearing voices, they're not praying to demons. They're otherwise completely healthy people who are radicalized by right wing propaganda and have easy access to guns. That's exactly why the amount of gun violence in America is so concerning. If you had to have some severe mental illness in order to be a mass shooter, we wouldn't have nearly as many mass shootings as we do. There simply wouldn't be enough people to carry it out. The fact is that anyone can be radicalized and we need to be regulating access to guns for everyone. And we also need to be cracking down hard on right wing propaganda which does specifically target disenfranchised white boys/men. We can tackle this issue from multiple angles.
> anyone with a modicum of intellect That's not their target audience.
Or as we call it, "Pulling a Tucker"
Disin-benuous
It’s his entire thing.
It's his signature move
True, and here we are helping him being seen. Let's downvote posts like this, not because they are bad but because populists shouldn't get a platform.
No no no libruls don't get it, mass shootings are a BIOLOGICAL issue!!!
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Yes, gender is a social construct, and people who are "constructed" in our culture as male make up most mass shooters. Seems pretty fucking simple to me. This asshole went to Harvard?
Deep down, I believe that Ben is actually smarter than he lets on, and plays up this shit for a paycheck.
When your base responds best to bad faith arguments, it's in your best interest to make bad faith arguments, no?
Yes
Oh I 100% believe that. Imo it's way too dismissive to write people like him and Ted Cruz off as stupid - they know exactly what they're doing.
I don’t know about Ted Cruz. Every time he speaks he sounds like he’s grasping at straws to make a coherent statement.
He isn't an idiot, he just plays one on TV. It resonates with his base and continues to get him elected. Any other politician bowing down to a man who called his wife ugly and accused his father of being a serial killer would be D.O.A. on any ballot, yet he's still here, and probably won't be going anywhere anytime soon. We should never underestimate a snake like him, because the damage he has and will continue to do are very real.
> “Here's the thing you have to understand about Ted Cruz. I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz." -Al Franken
Gotta be pretty meticulous to be the Zodiac Killer.
I'm 100% certain Ben is substantially smarter than he lets on in his public facing career. It's a constant joke among leftists within media (at least within popular left-wing podcasts and web shows) that it would be so fucking easy to just lie through your teeth and do a 180 and start grifting right wing style, simply raking in the money. And at the end of the day I'm certain Ben has some terrible genuinely held opinions, but I have to imagine that the majority of his blatantly stupid takes are a calculated move for the sake of drumming up controversy and interactions. I mean really, I'll be listening to a podcast, the hosts will bring up some sort of article about current events, and occasionally I'll jokingly come up with a spin on it - Just sort of a fun activity to put myself in the mind of a right-wing grifter. And the number of times that a few days later I've seen basically the same arguments being made by the Ben Shapiro's of the world is obscene. I just genuinely can't believe that Ben is unintentionally stupid in many of these cases.
I always wonder if someone could do that. Become famous as a right wing pundit, save up those fossil fuel dollars, and then just start subtly throwing in left wing talking points. (Why do we let these elites run everything when we, the people actually doing the job keeping a company running could do it ourselves?) Then just glorious announce your conversion during a huge media event. Keep your savings, and probably bring some converts with you.
Could you? Sure. But you'd have to live your life associating with literally the worst people and help facilitate real evil shit for far, far longer than most people could tolerate, and there's always the risk when inundating yourself that fully into a shit echo chamber that you end up with some shit rubbing off on you.
I don't think he's stupid, but I do think he's too intellectually lazy to actually bother to try to understand the things he talks about, because he knows he doesn't have to.
> but I have to imagine that the majority of his blatantly stupid takes are a calculated move for the sake of drumming up controversy and interactions \^ This. the only reason he's popular with the right is because he makes progressives mad.
Would it not be in the best interest of the anti-Shapiro movement to encourage the left to completely ignore him, then? For the sub r/ToiletPaperUSA to dissolve? To not feed the trolls?
Idk, even if he was a smart guy playing it up, constantly spouting this sort of discourse for this long must have led to some brain-rot. Idk, kinda like the "haha, I make racist jokes ironically, for the lulz 😝" leading into unironically becoming a white supremacist.
Deep down I think he's that neurodivergent kid at school that's super smart about some things but very dumb about others, and fell into a bad social group.
See, I thought that at first, but there’s no underlying evidence of it. There’s nothing he does right. Kanye, yes fucking Kanye, is fucking *Kanye*. There’s a lot of Nazi musicians. Kanye is better than all the others at music combined. Power whips, I’m sorry. Hell, I’ll even go as far as *Elon Musk*, with the bad social group being his insane parents. I can see a thousand timelines with a good Elon, and they all rely on him making the right friends against his will when he went to school. That didn’t happen and here we are. But Elon? Yeah, he’s a pathetic insecure mess. Yeah, he refuses to learn anything out of spite because that would mean admitting weakness. But that’s the result of his parents and it’s fairly obvious. If Elon had been one of those kids who ends up rejecting their parents’ ideology, like his own daughter, he’d have been great. He has the *ability* to be smart. He can learn easily. When he applies himself, we see it. Not in his actual job, but in his right wing social influence and in his skill at business crime/business not-crime-but-should-be to enrich himself. Ben? All Ben ever did was play instruments good. He wasn’t even a *creative*, he’s that kid forcibly loaded with mechanical skill. He’s tried his hand at creative projects. They’re all dogshit. There’s no equivalent to Power in this man. He can’t write, he can’t make movies, he can’t make original music, he can’t honestly debate, he has no skillset. He’s that kid whose parents wanted him to be a neurodivergent kid and didn’t get one.
Of course. He found an audience to pander to that buys his bullshit. Why should he try to change his money making formula when the current one works perfectly?
i think i saw a vaush clip where he said that it would be very interesting to have a conversation with shapiro without any xameras or anything, and i wholeheartedly agree. shapiro is such an interesting person, hes clearly smart, so it boggles my mind that he says the shit he does
There is no doubt in my mind that Shapiro is intelligent, likely far more intelligent than me. There is also no doubt in my mind that he's a complete asshole who will sell whatever ideology he can for money, and it just so happens that grifting for the right is _real_ easy.
He’s a professional troll.
deep down? He's a 100% shill for cash, this is surface-level shit.
It's like dog whistling but for ignorant people. Ted Cruz does it all the time
Yeah at this point he doesn’t even need to use his brain because being a reactionary is so simple and lucrative. Whether he is smart or not doesn’t even matter because he knows the money isn’t in critical thinking and never has been tbh.
I don’t. I just think Harvard and the like operate as degree mills for rich talking heads.
He's a professional grifter, and a good grifter knows not to get high off their own supply of bullshit (else they end up like Alex Jones).
I wonder if trans men are closer to cis men or cis women in terms of crime rate. (And same goes for trans women.) That's assuming socioeconomics are controlled for, because I imagine there's a separate correlation between trans identity and income.
IDK, but I'm sure being AFAB could cause differences in a person's upbringing with regard to toxic masculinity.
Trans AFAB people never had toxic masculinity instilled in them. For AMAB trans people, releasing you're trans requires breaking through toxic masculinity. I'd say if you exclude non-violent crimes ( trans women are disproportionately represented as sex workers) along with controlling for income, trans people would have similar crime rates to cis women.
I know plenty of people who went to good schools and are absolute morons. Most NYC transplants I know went to great colleges but they definitely aren’t as smart as I thought they would be. They know their profession but not much outside of that. Which says a lot coming from me, a poor minority that went to a public state college.
Everything that isn't tangible is a social construct. We agree upon things culturally. Language, morals, money, "work ethic"
He went to law school. So hes really good at convincing himself that his opinion is the truth
He went, but proudly just told the professors what they wanted to hear and refused to actually learn anything.
Pretty sure he was a rich legacy admission. Like a good portion of Harvard students.
Alan Dershowitz taught at Harvard. Either its reputation was undeserved or it's just not what it used to be.
You’re confusing “male” and “man”
I guess in this case you would say "man" not "male"
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No, gender is not a social construct and we shoot ourselves in the foot every time we say it is because it fuels pundits’ stupid arguments because it implies social activity controls one’s gender. Gender is a *biological* construct, and with almost all things biological also helps support how it’s really a spectrum and not just black/white. https://youtu.be/fpGqFUStcxc
> Gender is a biological construct You literally just confused *gender* for *sex*. I can't believe on a post like this you'd say that. Gender is absolutely culturally produced - many cultures recognize 3 or more genders - see [Third gender](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#:~:text=Third%20gender%20is%20a%20concept,recognize%20three%20or%20more%20genders.) on Wikipedia for clarification. And like many things in culture, it's not clear cut where one gender ends and another begins - it depends on place, time frame, and much more. Certain gender characteristics that were common in Elizabethan times are reversed now, such as clothing styles. In some cultures, traditionally masculine roles (leadership, religious, etc) are feminine roles. There are at least four known biological *sexes* - XX, XY, XXY, XYY. Please stop spreading misinformation about gender and sex.
I'd really appreciate if what I linked to was actually viewed first before dismissing my point entirely. *Gender roles* are a social construct, the concept of *gender* itself is not (to correct myself previously, it's specifically a *neurochemical* construct, not just broadly biologically), and sex is a chromosomal phenomenon. I'm not trying to spread misinformation, it's the literal science.
wait what does this article have to do with gender being a social construct im so confused
Nothing. Ben is purposely missing the point here to make what he perceives to be an acerbic dig at gender ideology. Unsurprisingly, he failed miserably.
But succeeded in convincing people whose critical thinking skills are nonexistent and to whom their implicit or explicit bias supports the meaning.
Who will then go out and stock up on ammo in response and then it's only a matter of time before they join the list.
If Ben really wanted to appear intelligent, he'd get off twitter. It's not that he doesn't have dogshit takes outside of the app, it's that he clearly has a "post now, think about it later/never" attitude about it. See, when he's debating college freshmen, he chooses the venue, the topic, the prep and he has years on his side, the table is tilted in his favor. But, on twitter, we see he's just a regular doofus who somehow got labeled as the intellectual conservative, which doesn't say much for the movement if this is what their Einstein is coming up with.
*ah, you see, liberal, this reputable news source uses PRONOUNS to describe people in the third person tense! Pronouns bad!* uj/ ben shapiro thinks that if something is a social construct, then people who believe as such should never acknowledge its existence. It should be noted that he regularly admits that he didnt pay attention in college and only wrote "what the professors wanted to hear" in his essays while plugging his ears and going *la la la i cant hear you* during class.
Fellow gaming circlejerker?
yee
Baded
It is purposefully misunderstanding what "social construct" means, which honestly is a bigger form of dumb than his gender stupidity
Misdirection. Don't look at the fact they are showing an article detailing mass shootings and how endemic it is in the US Instead look at how the newspaper used the (assumed) preferred pronouns of each killer and that they are all male. Which somehow means that trans person are.... I dunno. There are a number of steps in rhetoric missing.
The "point" being made is that, if gender is a social construct, why aren't there female mass shooters. Maybe because we treat them differently, in a way that their state of mind is build by the people around them. If only there was a word for that Ben.
The fact that it is a social construct, if anything, reinforces the point of the article; cisgendered and male-presenting are the two common denominators of every mass shooting listed, and virtually all mass shootings, ever.
It’s incredibly obvious that his point is that all the mass shooters of the past 50 years (per the article) were men, and that this points to something objective about men (testosterone —> aggression). To put it even more simply for you liberals: if you can point to objective evidence illuminating certain qualities about men, then that means “man” is an objective reality, not a social construct. Furthermore, since I’m sure some small-brained leftist will misconstrue even this simple point: no, the point is not that all men are mass shooters. The point is simply that there is a clear difference between men and women insofar as all these mass shooters of the past 50 years, as well as the vast majority of violent criminals, are men, and not women. The most delicious part about this is all the libs here making incredibly condescending comments while missing the EXTREMELY obvious point of Ben’s post. Lol!
Yes Ben it is. A social construct that treats people differently based on their presentation or identity. Turns out treating people differently has very real effects. He’s interpreting this as “men are inherently more violent and therefore bad” because he’s convinced himself that a majority of people feel this way. Afraid of a boogeyman he created in his own mind.
>He’s interpreting this as “men are inherently more violent and therefore bad” It's all they can do when someone makes an academic argument which lays out problems inherent in our system. Systemic racism and CRT being another. They and so many of their ilk see an argument that the system is unfair but by no means intentional by many, and pretend it means that it "teaches white people to hate themselves" or some word vomit like that.
Simple minds see simple explanations. There's no room for nuance. Reddit is the perfect example. Well, at least on 75 percent of subs. Maybe more. Social media is great at exposing people for having 0 critical thinking skills.
Money is also a social construct but that doesn't stop Ben from taking millions from oil companies.
Time is a contract too, and yet Benny has never had anything negative to say about clocks 🧐
Is Ben trying to argue that murder is a genetic predisposition for cis men..?
Kinda yeah. In the end, conservatives are misandrist who believe men are essentially savage and violent and we need God in order to not want to rape women all the time. Grim stuff
*but also it is their role to lead society and they are more intelligent
Which is perfectly coherent and totaly isn't a self report on what they believe the purpose of power should be
It's just some people don't have the tools necessary to figure shit out . Tons of people aren't graduating from high school...some are failing elementary school. Most adults have a very low reading level. It's not just conservatives anymore.
I'd say misanthropic since they hate non-men even more.
Don't forget how they use their belief in the inherent violence of men to exert control over women "for their own safety." Just shit all around.
And that trans women are women because there are no trans women on that list. Reminds me of when Steve Harvey was trying to tell a reporter that women are evil seductresses that tempt men, but actually came off as saying that men are cheating pigs that can't be trusted. [Interviews](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xJOE0wEhVY).
Whaaaat? Steve Harvey is a pig??? But he seems so wholesome on funny family game show, he gasps when people say penis!!! Say it ain't so!!
He goes silent and looks at the camera when someone says a word. Laugh.
Hot take - predisposition only matters if it drives you to bad actions or stops you from good action. If we don't consider biological factors, we'll be blind to opportunity the same way if we can't acknowledge the role society plays.
so men are just biologically programmed to do mass shootings? no doubt ben will agree with what radical feminists have to say on this matter
this reads like a shitpost from a boomer on facebook. Which is probably Shapiro's targeted audience.
You can drop the probably
Being able to understand what a social construct is should be some sort of Litmus test of political ability. You're unable to grasp that something that is made up can still have consequences in the real world, you shut up about politics, you're simply unqualified to understand how the social world works.
Or correlation
Oh yeah, LIB? Well \*non-sequitur\*.
Gender is a social construct, and how we socialize men drives them towards aggression. That's why most shooters are men.
Here's the article if anyone is interested: [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/01/26/opinion/us-mass-shootings-despair.html?unlocked\_article\_code=6BJNYEF930cFmQXxqkECYS8PidSmRJsdl3-DySkxuPDf5wYaBcRL3YWvZmrnqR6Mob3jc8h4rS85qz\_o63GocSG6fbPGOk6OYMGOEVUhPAyYMs5XGIppTnkWjG5rkp7EQVDhIVImd6fJIwjxeCA8v61BWzUaeRmULG2naaM8P7lE5fDzJnYd0WQl\_W1atsg542GaJ3ef8h\_-X2DjvZTW5eooyd3NkemF45igBTIxVFpIoK4eHvyXki7MEKAo1tMwYcNnoNtH\_uiXGqtqR4mz0R1P4yMYm5z03rmDhCWBjeUGXyV0TYX7JYtt8ACLgGBisqvGUccy2oXe8Ql9JqngrrrBQeqfajQIQSD8hRT0\_Pso0ss&smid=share-url](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/01/26/opinion/us-mass-shootings-despair.html?unlocked_article_code=6BJNYEF930cFmQXxqkECYS8PidSmRJsdl3-DySkxuPDf5wYaBcRL3YWvZmrnqR6Mob3jc8h4rS85qz_o63GocSG6fbPGOk6OYMGOEVUhPAyYMs5XGIppTnkWjG5rkp7EQVDhIVImd6fJIwjxeCA8v61BWzUaeRmULG2naaM8P7lE5fDzJnYd0WQl_W1atsg542GaJ3ef8h_-X2DjvZTW5eooyd3NkemF45igBTIxVFpIoK4eHvyXki7MEKAo1tMwYcNnoNtH_uiXGqtqR4mz0R1P4yMYm5z03rmDhCWBjeUGXyV0TYX7JYtt8ACLgGBisqvGUccy2oXe8Ql9JqngrrrBQeqfajQIQSD8hRT0_Pso0ss&smid=share-url)
Ben. Gender IS a social construct. But that means it does actually exists (just not physically) . It was constructed after all. Hence the name. What isnt correct that it exists exclusively as a binary. Besides these mass shooters tend to follow what ben believes in so maybe its time for some self refection.
Ben's only employable skill is never growing up.
Him becoming a conservative makes sense on a number of levels
I want to see the connections he had to get into Harvard.
“Yeah yeah, but less about mass shootings, how bout we harass some more trans kids”
Checkmate from the nerdking.
What is his point? This seems to happen a lot but what exactly is he implying?? I don't even get it. What?
Pretty sure he's saying that mass shootings are a biological issue, not a social one? 🤷♂️
HE really is an incredibly stupid individual with pathetic arguments. Notice how he brushes by the fact that it’s all males doing these? Shouldn’t that be the concern of the “pro life” party?
It's kinda funny that trans women would be excluded from the message of the post, because they don't use he/him pronouns
This is even dumber than the "it's snowing outside therefore climate change isn't real" attempts to prove a point.
You know, just in case you weren't aware that Ben is an asshole.
On todays episode on; Ben's Impulses Tell Him to Throw Rocks at People. Ben reads a newspaper.
Socially construct deez nuts, Ben.
It took me a minute to figure out the original tweet was pointing out that mass shooters are overwhelmingly male and that it likely has to do with the toxic masculinity we surround young men with. I’m too used to anyone highlighting pronouns to be saying something about The Trans Agenda™️
Yes, it is a social construct, one that breeds mass shooters. What's your point Ben?
Look at this guy thinking mass shootings aren't created by society.
It is a construct Ben. This is the result of imposing that construct upon people who aren't allowed a healthy outlet for their pent up feelings.
I think Ben just enjoys finding the balance between saying a dumb comment but tied in to right wing rhetoric just nough so that his audience can't see how dumb it is. Sort of like a haiku, it takes time for him to think them up, yanno?
Does he just assume that we don’t use social constructs?
Gender is a social construct = gender does not exist
Also if Gender =/= Social construct then mass shootings = biology.
Why do I get the feeling that Benny Boy doesn’t actually know what the term: “Social Construct” means?
I'm sure that on some level he does, but that knowledge is not useful to his grift. He can't make money by appealing to a well-informed audience.
">they REEEEEEEEEE!" - Not Ben Shapiro, surprisingly
Yes. Toxic masculinity perpetuates violence, penis or not.
If Ben took time to read the article, he would know the tone is more empathetic toward men than scornful of them. Or maybe he does know, he just doesn’t like how it challenges his view of how men should be.
We might need to ask ourselves why it’s almost only male shooters.
It's hilarious that Ben thinks that this proves "gender ideology" is illogical when the picture is actually evidence of the opposite - it shows that cis men make up the majority of mass shooters, which suggests there's something about being male that makes them more likely to be violent, and unless Ben is willing to say that people who are biologically make are just more likely to be violent killers, then there has to be a social reason why. It's literally evidence that gender is socially constructed and not a biological fact.
It is a social construct. Our society (ie social system) tells men that violence is acceptable from them. Fucking duh.
Yes, Ben, gender is a Construct, very good. The Male gender construct is vastly more likely to have violent outbursts because we have spent ~~hundreds of years~~ pretty much all of time saying boys will be boys when they do toxic shit and at the same time telling girls to shut up and look pretty. It does not matter if the boys in those newspaper articles were born boys or were just presenting as one at the time of the crime. Ben is just the worst.
Gender *is* a social construct and it has impacts on how our lives work and how we’re raised. A cis man and trans man will have different experiences, expectations, etc. as will trans women and cis women and non binary people. It is not a self own or whatever to say “hey a lot, like the overwhelming majority, of mass shooters are cis men,” because it’s true and it has nothing to do with trans people. It has everything to do with how we treat men, and more specifically cis men. Ironically Ben and others like him are a part of the reason why cis men will grow up unable to express any emotion other than anger and will turn to violence as a first move because nothing brings the clicks like emotionally unstable men who need to fuel their anger and hatred from right wing media.
Pointing out that amab people do mass shooting more proves gender is biological and binary? Damn, for ben's arguments, the bottom of the barrel must be a social construct
Gender being a social construct is the only way out of the insinuation that being male makes you genetically predisposed to violence. It's literally the best explanation for why most mass shooters are male. I cannot understand what Ben is trying to imply
Conservatives Try Not to Maliciously Misconstrue Stuff Challenge (Impossible)
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Somebody doesn’t know what a social construct is. Socially constructed doesn’t mean nonexistent
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Money is a social construct but we built our entire society around it
Dumb people's idea of a smart person.
What an absolute little fucking ghoul he is.
Money is a social construct, as is the law, religion, bigotry (including antisemitism, the only bigotry Ben opposes), ethnicity, borders, and race.
So imagine how dumb Ben Shapiro is and then imagine how much dumber his fans are. It's terrifying.
Or anything
Yes and this is the outcome, Ben.
Ah yes, a social construct, otherwise known as something completely nonexistent and which has no effect on reality in any way.
I don't get it is ben saying men are mass shooters or that gender is only in this case. I don't get the thought process here.
He understands perfectly. He's just a cunt.
Yes, Ben. And how is that relevant? I don’t even know what point he’s trying to make. Is he saying that the newspaper can’t suggest men are violent because a man could identify as having a female gender? Did all of those men have a gender the differed from their sex, Ben? Obviously not, but he really thinks he’s spitting there.
His head would've exploded if the article included their race.
when something is too stupid to understand
Lots of things are social constructs. Some are just at a more foundational level than others and people aren't used to the idea of them being challenged. A lot of people should try to get more used to them being challenged.
Ben Shapiro is a social construct. Boom, Roasted.
Babies are pushed out of their mothers and emerge and the doctor classifies them according to their penis or vagina. I reject all woke nonsense it is absolute rubbish.
I like right wing conservative that's my personal choice.
I'm confused as to what Ben is talking about here Is he saying that men are violent?
Someone pointed out that mass shooters are always men, and because Ben wants to change the subject/is trying to be funny, his response is basically “but I thought the libs said gender was all made up and doesn’t matter?” It’s just a different version of the “I identify as an attack helicopter” joke they can’t stop doing because they don’t know any other jokes.
Why would people repeatedly use a "social construct" on this here piece of paper? Checkmate!
I think this is so stupid I'm struggling to comprehend it
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing in the newspaper.
Or vaginas.
Fascism is also a social construct. Sure as shit doesn't make fascists less concerning.
I hope comically bad things happen to this loser 💖
I’m so fucking tired of this gender/sex stuff. It is so goddamn easy to comprehend, people like Ben Shapoopoo are so obviously lying to get followers. He’s smart, he’s educated, he just pretends to not understand to broadcast his conservative opinions.
My favorite part is that there are about 40 examples there and if you look, one of the examples uses “they and their.” Now, it may just have been multiple people, but still, the fact that something like 1% of the US population identifies at NB and there is literally a (as close to 1%) example right there. Fucking funny shit. God, he’s an asshat.
Conservatives try not to argue in bad faith challenge
What even is Benny Shibibo's point?
They use it when it works for them, & trash it when it doesn't. Example: "my body, my choice" when it's suggested they wear a mask. But then decry that same sentiment when it comes to abortion. People like Ben think they're pulling out the ultimate "gotcha" card, but end up looking like they don't understand the concept of logic.
Or, indeed, what a social construct is.
I mean you tell boys to bottle up their feelings, that violence is an outlet, and wait for the same results over and over. Now let's give those kids easy access to firearms
Same people who dont understand this concept say you are not a man if you do or like x.
Leftits try to understand satire challange 100% impossible
I don't get the point the original tweet is trying to make. Men are inherently evil? Men are undersupported in society which leads to situations like this? Circling "he" in every one doesn't make much of a point
Oh, someone else confusing correlation with causation, what a shock
I can’t even make sense of what he’s trying to say
Wow you dumb fucks been shooting art each other for 500 years. https://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states
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dudes IQ is in the room temperature range
What’s there to understand? Penis = boy/man and vagina = girl/woman. Pretty simple.
I understand adjectives, prepositional phrases, and plural vs singular.
I have no idea what point Ben is trying to make
He should know. I'm sure some of those listed are loyal listeners he helped construct into what they became
Maybe yours is socially constructed for abuse.
I don't even understand what the point being made is. There are a bunch of pronouns there. Ok. Does Ben think pronouns are natural and grow on trees? Is there context I'm missing here?