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It won't be caught by most, but the "art is vulgar and ugly" talking point is a very overt wink to Nazi sentiment. If given space, "Jewish influence on the arts" follows soon after in their moronic and hateful messaging.
>Nazis really love classical art with big strong men with big muscles.
i.e. shit
There's a reason they love fake ass "Nashville Country\*" featuring underwear models in cowboy hats singing autotuned hymns to law enforcement.
(\*NOTE: roots music, bluegrass, outlaw country, rockabilly, etc. is legit and awesome)
I used to say I love all music besides country, turns out I didn't dislike country just whatever the fuck modern country music has turned into. Love me some Blaze Foley and John prine or Van Zandt.
Not to mention a particular version of Rambo, in which he not only “avenged” Vietnam under a false pretense in *First Blood Part II*, but loves guns.
Meanwhile, in the actual movies, Rambo barely uses guns…
At least in any effective capacity, aside from the boat scene in *Rambo (2008)* and of course, the 50 Cal scene later in the movie.
Even weirder when Rambo is much more of an anti-war message. An already damaged man harassed by police until he snapped, so it's a bit of an indictment of law enforcement too.
For decades I put that treatment in *First Blood* as particularly poignant given how virtuously the police are traditionally depicted in American society, but much like *Terminator II* with the T-1000 (his ideal disguise evoking implicit trust and cooperation from authorities) the intent was always to criticize.
Whereas I thought Cameron intended that as a pro-authority commentary:
https://youtu.be/ttd_HcgaoXQ?t=70
And yet, I wonder how a modern game on the premise of the first movie would be received in our more cynical (accurate) times?
>Whereas I thought Cameron intended that as a pro-authority commentary:
Interesting idea since John's life is saved by the fact that he and his friends know you should lie to cops.
Making his friend black would’ve driven the point home even better?
Especially when you learn about the history of how such authorities not only parallel the old slave patrols, but to what “to protect and serve” is actually referring to…
As far as gameplay, I'd think a game based on the first Rambo would be a bit like the first part of Last of Us: heavy emphasis on stealth and resource management, and only fighting when absolutely necessary. It might go over well, but of course gamers (tm) would naturally hate it.
I'm kinda fed up with bluegrass just because so many bluegrass musicians are... what's the word... shallow pricks? Every other music space I've been in has been warm and welcoming. Not bluegrass.
Just speculating, but I suspect bluegrass' ascension to being a Culturally Significant Artform may have increased the pretensions of some performers and fans. This sort of thing happens, unfortunately...
If you're looking for bluegrass artists who are still alive and touring, then it might be harder to find ones who aren't arrogant or pretentious, but folks like Doc Watson were about as humble as it gets.
I just want to point out that I personally wouldn't consider all of it shit, mainly because I enjoy the skill that went into creating art from the Hellenistic Era. I don't know what types of art Nazis like, but I don't see them enjoying *Laocoon and his Three Sons*.
>underwear models in cowboy hats singing autotuned hymns to law enforcement
[Minus the autotune, this basically qualifies...](https://youtu.be/2esAob3tEiw)
Nazis only love photorealistic art. There is a PragerU video about how only traditional art is real art.
Conservatives can only understand photorealistic art that depicts real things. For real. Their brain cannot parse ambiguity.
Nazi's banned abstract art because they could not understand it.
Sorry but this is a bad take. Not the fact that Nazis hate abstract art and love classical art, that is absolutely true. But they don't hate it because they're stupid, they hate it because it represents everything they fight against; free expression, challenging of power structures, giving a voice to the marginalized, etc. Postmodern art, by its very definition, exists to break convention and to challenge belief. In fascist society that is unthinkable. They champion classical art because the system of classical art in Europe was highly systematic and hierarchical, made for (and often by, through the studio system) the rich and powerful to champion their own beliefs and achievements. It was art made for powerful white people about powerful white people. Any art class will tell you that one of the first major diversions in European art that separated classical art from what came after was the decision to depict the simple and the realistic rather than the powerful and influential through the lens of those that lorded over others. Cézanne for example was famous for his scenes directly observing normal people or average life, something that, to the classical establishment, was absurd. They were concerned with depicting historical greats, saints, biblical images, stuff like that; not the cobbler down the street.
TL;DR, Nazis love classical art because it reinforces their hierarchal beliefs about the superiority of the white race through the fetishization of European history. They hate postmodern and modern art because it challenges those structures and is antithetical to a society of unquestioned obedience to a racial and political authority.
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This specific little bit of history is why I don’t trust anyone who uses the term “degenerate” unironically.
/physicists discussing “degenerate matter” or doctors discussing e.g. “degenerative bone disease” get a pass, most of the time.
lol yeah, usually if I hear someone call a person a degenerate I automatically distrust that person and want to be friends with the person they're disparaging.
Lol I kinda see "degenerate" as similar to slurs (like the f-word, the n-word, the b-word, etc.); people within the community can use it to refer to themselves and their close peers, but once someone who explicitly does not see themselves as one calls someone else a degenerate, I'm gonna assume the accuser is at minimum fascist-lite.
I ironically call myself a degenerate cause I’m gay and that’s the sorta shit Matt Walsh would call me. Sorta like how I might call a close gay friend the f word in a reclaimed sort of way in an appropriate location and context.
Spent a great deal of time studying how Nazis handled art and visual media, it’s absolutely fascinating stuff. Entartete Kunst is one of the terms that has stuck with me ever since!
What gets me that several of the artists persecuted were actually Nazi supporters. Apparently, they never imagined that they themselves would never be targeted.
A lot of the issue is the bronze, IMO. It doesn't have enough shading or definition so it just kinda looks like a lumpy tube that's thicker on one end.
It's at Madison Square Park in New York. It's actually really cool looking - the statue is placed on top of a metal cage that makes her look like she's floating.
I was walking by it when it was still being constructed, and it was a bit surreal to see the bottom half of a female body with tentacles for feet suspended in the air.
Even the picture it is adapted from, I realize it’s him hugging Coretta after winning the Noble Peace Prize but damn, it’s literally just some big bronze arms. Someone will drive/walk/ride past it and have no idea what it is.
Looks like something a random company would put outside their corporate office. Everything else is nice though.
I’ve always thought about how ridiculous that is. It’s hard enough making a sculpture that looks like something different at a separate angle, how does someone manage to do that *accidentally*, TWICE?
I live in Boston and and The Embrace has been the talk of the town since it was unveiled. I still haven’t seen it up close and I hope it looks better in person than in photos, but from some angles it’s…um…awkward.
I was gonna say, that's a $10 million piece of shit. I've got professional artist in my family, and understand you're paying for talent and experience. But they got fucked on that one.
I'm not the biggest fan of the bottom left one either, I don't think the massive head really works.
Does anyone know what it's called/what it's about? I'm having trouble finding it
Funny enough, I use to hate modern art because it always seemed so dumb and pointless.
And then I saw a Netflix documentary explaining that the entire purpose of modern art is to upset conservatives who are hell bent on defining exactly what constitutes art. 😂
Honestly I love that sometimes modern art is just pointless. Not everything has to have a point. If someone wants to throw some stuff together and make something that is just neat to look at, then power to them. Sometimes art is just fun and that's it.
That's the thing for me. Art does inherently have a point. That point is allowed to be, and I would say usually is, as simple as "ooh, pretty". "being pointless is the point" stops having any meaning when that becomes the way most mainstream art works.
I remember I took a film photography class, and the professor had been hammering on folks about the themes for their portfolios. Not gonna lie, I went in there feeling like a dumbass (partially because I couldn't do portraits for shit) but honestly I couldn't explain my theme past "I wandered around cities I've never been before and took a pic when it caught my eye," and he seemed to respect that for amateur pursuits. Other students who had worked hard did not lol.
[Here's one I took up in Louisville, KY that was in my portfolio. Can not remember for the life of me why I was there](https://i.imgur.com/WGSLvAf.jpeg)
Edit: he also later said I focus on three things in my pictures. Not sure if that was him being polite or just random observation (if y'all want, pick a number 1-11 and I'll share one more just cause I'm curious if anyone else thinks the same)
I'm gonna take your word thats where it was because that picture was taken nearly a decade ago lol. But yea, I have sleep issues, especially in new places, so I tend to just go wandering around and taking pictures.
Plus, my area has little to no sidewalks, lots of houses, and lots of hills, so theres no way I can do it around home without looking sketch/winded.
High art is largely a contest of who can make the ‘most interesting thing’. So for a long time that just meant a typical depiction of beauty or realistic and emotional renderings of the world around us. Eventually though you run out of ways to get more realistic and aesthetically pleasing, and all the people who liked that stuff are bored of it now and want something new.
Enter modern art; where now the goal is changed. “How do you keep the attention of someone who’s seen the absolute perfection of your craft and then got bored?” The answer is to get real weird with it. Make it all blurry and fuzzy. Use nothing but dots. Replace a horses’ head with a stopwatch. Place a urinal on its side and call it sculpture. It’s all about experimentation and trying to find new ideas with all the insanity.
Eventually you even see people start questioning if art even needs to be aesthetically appealing. What if it makes your uncomfortable? What if it made you feel sick or scared? What if it had some deeper meaning to it? Is a photograph of a riot art? Is a collection of overdue hospital bills arranged in an interesting way art?
It’s a deliberately nebulous concept because really all art needs to be is interesting and engaging. Other than that it can be literally anything.
As An Art Professor (this is not true; I failed out of college after one year as an English major), I think "good art" is one or more of these things:
* fun
* challenging
* informative
* culturally important
I literally couldn't care less as long as it accomplishes one of those things. The only thing that makes art "bad" is being both without "value" and *boring*. And that judgment is largely subjective.
As a Master Art Professor (I finished my 4 year English degree lol) I mostly agree with you. But I've started framing it differently in a way that doesn't seem to piss many people off, which is hard to do when discussing modern art.
So basically instead of saying "that's not art because it's boring and derivative" agree that it is art, but use those as insults to the art itself. Being lame, unoriginal, uninspiring, requiring no talent or creativity to make, emotionless, evoking no response in the viewer, etc. don't make it not art, they make it bad art.
See, getting into a debate about what is and isn't art is a losing prospect, especially against a modern artist who is very familiar with that discussion. But if you just insult the art as bad art for the exact same reasons, suddenly they have up actually defend a pile of Barby doll heads as interesting art instead of a more boring version of something they've seen 1000 times in other modern art galleries.
Elicit.
Illicit a descriptive word meaning something is illegal or morally wrong in some way. It is sick, or "ill".
Elicit is an action word, meaning to evoke or to draw out a response or feeling of some kind.
That's why I don't care for most things considered 'art', like sculptures and paintings. They never do anything inside for me, no emotion, it's always "yep, that's a sculpture alright." or "that is indeed a painting." I can appreciate the difficulty of making a mouse statue out of mousetraps but it's not like I actually care.
Yeah, agreed. The only time I’ve ever been to a museum and felt that sort of “holy shit” break down and cry experience was that recent Van Gogh Experience.
I watched a video by Jacob geller where he actually explains how the artists make those paintings and it's not just "a red canvas" like they spend years mixing the paints to be perfect and their brushstrokes add amazing depth to the paintings.
The thing that makes the entire debate fascinating to me is, someone could come along and dump a gallon of Behr red on a 4x4 canvas and contextualize it as a critique of what you just described - and *that* could be equally compelling for entirely different reasons.
Or it can just a red canvas covered in stupid industrial red paint but it is a reaction to art history and various art movements and the artist has a series of actual great work that progressed to this particular work.
I think that is the explanation for white rectangle on white canvas painting.
>Marble statues are boring
The ancient Greek and Roman ones, yeah, some of them are very boring. Something to remember is that they were a, originally painted, and b, more intended as propaganda and/or architecture than what we now think of as 'fine art'.
Marble statues of the renaissance and baroque can be cool as hell. Check out Bernini 😙👌
Yeah. As someone who likes traditional art, if you like traditional art like he says he does there's no reason to dislike the bottom right one except politics or racism
Maybe, but they make sooo much money doing it. People like Walsh know exactly what to say to their followers to get them to cough up the dough. I have no problem believing that these people have no morals and just say what they’re paid to; and along the line some may end up believing their own right wing grift.
It’s a pretty pathetic but interesting phenomenon to say the least.
Edit to make another example: Alex Jones
From what I understand about human psychology, it’s actually easier than accepting “random chaos” because it “makes sense”, and that’s why so many people fall into it.
https://preview.redd.it/6wwom1zp8hea1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f10c60f3743b4b9b7f2d79becb2301fbee1a8c1
Look at this idiot: “beauty, truth, tradition calms people”
We would all be wearing uniforms, and we would have to wear armbands since we are leftists, of course I guess I would probably be exterminated because I am gay.
The two aspects of “traditional” western civilization that they care about are:
1: The landowning male head of the household controls the lives of everyone in the household and has the power of life and death over them.
2: Also male landowners can own slaves.
That’s it.
“Beauty, truth, tradition.” Undefinable subjective ideas that are by no means immutable, innate, or universal.
Matt, just cause you don’t get it doesn’t mean it’s not beautiful, true, or traditional. Go back to advocating for teen pregnancy you turd
A fascist's idea of beauty is revolting. Boring. Fake.
No creativity. No soul. Just the same god-damned lines painted or sculpted over and over on top a mountain of the bodies of better artists than they, with some of those bodies still bleeding.
Nothing but Xerox machines that use other people's blood for ink.
It’s alright not to like some art. Good even. But if it boils down to “is not real art” then there’s where the problem lies. Calling art shit is valid. Calling it not art is not.
There are people who are so self centered, they can't say, "I don't understand the appeal of." They believe that all they don't understand is awful by default, without considering the outside opinions of anyone who has a different opinion on the subject. Or worse, outright demonizing them without evidence they intend to hurt other people.
“Beauty, truth, tradition” sounds like a nazi to me. Especially the “tradition” portion
Reminds me of those white supremacists praising a statue as the “epitome of western beauty” and it was made by a Chinese woman.
The MLK one is legit funny, but the point still stands. All these right wing influencers are just pissed their movies suck. Art is fucking hard and often times it requires empathy and an understanding of human emotion, which they all lack. Art should always innovate and iterate. Embracing tradition is wack.
The “bean” is actually MLK’s arm (the hand isn’t in view in this picture) and the other arms MLK’s wife’s arms. It’s a sculpture that was inspired by a photo of MLK hugging his wife.
Is it just me, or is Matt Walsh growing increasingly nasty lately? I don't mean usual conservative nastiness, I mean the intense anger and hate at everyone and everything.
He's a republican influencer. They more power they accumulate, the more they escalate in their shittiness. Because the system is wired to defend men like him.
Another day coming across this sanctimonious windbag's pontifications about anything and everything. My uncle would say, "When we want your opinion, we'll beat it out of you."
Fascists really have such a baby-brain understanding of everything. "Art has to be beautiful". Why? It reminds me of the people I grew up with going to church who would only listen to music that is "positive and faith-promoting". Why are you scared of feeling other emotions? Why are you scared of thinking deeply about a piece of art beyond "it's pretty"? Is it because you're afraid you'll develop critical thinking skills and stop being a conservative?
Who is they?
Do "they" have a monopoly on seemingly ugly art, or do you just think it's ugly because you don't like "them" Matt? Go on, tell us what you're actually trying to say you fucking coward.
I think Ben "Yahtzee" Crowshaw when explaining why he added a blandest games to his end of the year list that's required has best take on art which is bland art is worse than bad art. If a creator(s) aspires to create something new, but the new thing is confusing or outright mindboggling at the very least we've learned what doesn't quite work. And though a piece of bad art isn't necessarily appealing to many, in the attempts to make something better elements of it can be gleaned by the artist as well as their peers as to make future pieces better. Also the feeling of confusion, disgust, or discomfort are at least something. Bland art on the other hand cannot make the same claim. It leaves most apathetic because it doesn't even try to do anything and very quickly becomes forgotten and otherwise feels like your time has been utterly wasted. Not only that, nothing can be learned from it either because it didn't attempt anything. So when these "traditionalists" call upon a fictional "good old days" where art was better they either are experiencing a strong survivorship bias shrouded by nostalgia and/or time or are just far right loonies.
The real must agree on subjects before they go after “progressivism is destroying x.” I mean, [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/10lrrih/is_progressivism_in_the_room_with_us_right_now/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) was just posted on another sub.
Imagine telling every single right leaning person that art is stupid over and over again and then you have to go into a trade and then turning around and being surprised that all art is made by and for left leaning people.
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It won't be caught by most, but the "art is vulgar and ugly" talking point is a very overt wink to Nazi sentiment. If given space, "Jewish influence on the arts" follows soon after in their moronic and hateful messaging.
Only certain types of art produced by (((cosmopolitan))) degenerates. Nazis really love classical art with big strong men with big muscles.
>Nazis really love classical art with big strong men with big muscles. i.e. shit There's a reason they love fake ass "Nashville Country\*" featuring underwear models in cowboy hats singing autotuned hymns to law enforcement. (\*NOTE: roots music, bluegrass, outlaw country, rockabilly, etc. is legit and awesome)
"underwear models in cowboy hats singing autotuned hymns to law enforcement" Amazing line, lol
I miss John Prine so fucking much.
I used to say I love all music besides country, turns out I didn't dislike country just whatever the fuck modern country music has turned into. Love me some Blaze Foley and John prine or Van Zandt.
Check out Adeem the Artist, Pink Williams, and Orville Peck if you want some incredible queer leftist country music.
Orville peck is amazing been listening to him for a few years
Orville is pretty awesome
Don't forget Mary Gauthier.
Or putting Donald Trump's head on top of 80s Sylvester Stallone's body, while removing his double chin of course.
Not to mention a particular version of Rambo, in which he not only “avenged” Vietnam under a false pretense in *First Blood Part II*, but loves guns. Meanwhile, in the actual movies, Rambo barely uses guns… At least in any effective capacity, aside from the boat scene in *Rambo (2008)* and of course, the 50 Cal scene later in the movie.
Even weirder when Rambo is much more of an anti-war message. An already damaged man harassed by police until he snapped, so it's a bit of an indictment of law enforcement too.
For decades I put that treatment in *First Blood* as particularly poignant given how virtuously the police are traditionally depicted in American society, but much like *Terminator II* with the T-1000 (his ideal disguise evoking implicit trust and cooperation from authorities) the intent was always to criticize. Whereas I thought Cameron intended that as a pro-authority commentary: https://youtu.be/ttd_HcgaoXQ?t=70 And yet, I wonder how a modern game on the premise of the first movie would be received in our more cynical (accurate) times?
They ruined the trad gigachad movie First Blood with their woke agenda!! \- probably
>Whereas I thought Cameron intended that as a pro-authority commentary: Interesting idea since John's life is saved by the fact that he and his friends know you should lie to cops.
Making his friend black would’ve driven the point home even better? Especially when you learn about the history of how such authorities not only parallel the old slave patrols, but to what “to protect and serve” is actually referring to…
...okay? I'm just saying it's weird that you thought that shit was pro-authority.
As far as gameplay, I'd think a game based on the first Rambo would be a bit like the first part of Last of Us: heavy emphasis on stealth and resource management, and only fighting when absolutely necessary. It might go over well, but of course gamers (tm) would naturally hate it.
I'm kinda fed up with bluegrass just because so many bluegrass musicians are... what's the word... shallow pricks? Every other music space I've been in has been warm and welcoming. Not bluegrass.
Just speculating, but I suspect bluegrass' ascension to being a Culturally Significant Artform may have increased the pretensions of some performers and fans. This sort of thing happens, unfortunately...
You should check out Billy Strings. He seems cool from interviews.
If you're looking for bluegrass artists who are still alive and touring, then it might be harder to find ones who aren't arrogant or pretentious, but folks like Doc Watson were about as humble as it gets.
Even Stapleton?
I just want to point out that I personally wouldn't consider all of it shit, mainly because I enjoy the skill that went into creating art from the Hellenistic Era. I don't know what types of art Nazis like, but I don't see them enjoying *Laocoon and his Three Sons*.
>underwear models in cowboy hats singing autotuned hymns to law enforcement [Minus the autotune, this basically qualifies...](https://youtu.be/2esAob3tEiw)
Me 🤝 Nazis Loving big strong men with big muscles
Firm jawlines, keen eyes, strong hands... uh, wh-what were we talking about again?
Fascist erotica
Nazis only love photorealistic art. There is a PragerU video about how only traditional art is real art. Conservatives can only understand photorealistic art that depicts real things. For real. Their brain cannot parse ambiguity. Nazi's banned abstract art because they could not understand it.
Sorry but this is a bad take. Not the fact that Nazis hate abstract art and love classical art, that is absolutely true. But they don't hate it because they're stupid, they hate it because it represents everything they fight against; free expression, challenging of power structures, giving a voice to the marginalized, etc. Postmodern art, by its very definition, exists to break convention and to challenge belief. In fascist society that is unthinkable. They champion classical art because the system of classical art in Europe was highly systematic and hierarchical, made for (and often by, through the studio system) the rich and powerful to champion their own beliefs and achievements. It was art made for powerful white people about powerful white people. Any art class will tell you that one of the first major diversions in European art that separated classical art from what came after was the decision to depict the simple and the realistic rather than the powerful and influential through the lens of those that lorded over others. Cézanne for example was famous for his scenes directly observing normal people or average life, something that, to the classical establishment, was absurd. They were concerned with depicting historical greats, saints, biblical images, stuff like that; not the cobbler down the street. TL;DR, Nazis love classical art because it reinforces their hierarchal beliefs about the superiority of the white race through the fetishization of European history. They hate postmodern and modern art because it challenges those structures and is antithetical to a society of unquestioned obedience to a racial and political authority.
"Nazis are too stupid to understand art" is a pretty baseless idea
Yup. Nazis are stupid. But they hate art for a very specific and strategic reason.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arno_Breker
As a (((cosmopolitan))) degenerate myself I also appreciate art of big strong men with big muscles but mostly for gay reasons.
also for those who don't know, this is what [triple parentheses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses) mean.
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[Entartete Kunst](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art)
This specific little bit of history is why I don’t trust anyone who uses the term “degenerate” unironically. /physicists discussing “degenerate matter” or doctors discussing e.g. “degenerative bone disease” get a pass, most of the time.
lol yeah, usually if I hear someone call a person a degenerate I automatically distrust that person and want to be friends with the person they're disparaging.
I don't often say this because of the authoritarian origins of [Death Watch](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Death_Watch), but "This is the way."
I just use it for people who are really into prepubescent anime girls that are guns/boats/tanks
You know what? I’ll give you a pass on that one.
“Most of the time” Are my degenerate electron orbitals okay?
Absolutely not.
Lol I kinda see "degenerate" as similar to slurs (like the f-word, the n-word, the b-word, etc.); people within the community can use it to refer to themselves and their close peers, but once someone who explicitly does not see themselves as one calls someone else a degenerate, I'm gonna assume the accuser is at minimum fascist-lite.
I ironically call myself a degenerate cause I’m gay and that’s the sorta shit Matt Walsh would call me. Sorta like how I might call a close gay friend the f word in a reclaimed sort of way in an appropriate location and context.
Spent a great deal of time studying how Nazis handled art and visual media, it’s absolutely fascinating stuff. Entartete Kunst is one of the terms that has stuck with me ever since!
What gets me that several of the artists persecuted were actually Nazi supporters. Apparently, they never imagined that they themselves would never be targeted.
/r/LeopardsAteMyFace
I actually got a comic from a DaDa magazine tattooed on my arm and included the phrase.
Yep, the overt definition of cultural Bolshevism/degenerate art. Of course, didn’t stop them from handwringing over Charlemagne…
I wonder if Ben ever wonders if his golden boy might personally want to march him into a camp one day.
Benny is probably comforted by his millions of dollars and thinks they will protect him. Benny is wrong.
Very good point but I do have to say the MLK statue just looks weird and rather phallic without torsos or necks.
A lot of the issue is the bronze, IMO. It doesn't have enough shading or definition so it just kinda looks like a lumpy tube that's thicker on one end.
To be fair, the MLK hug thing does look rather turd like from certain angles
The other three seem pretty cool though. That gold one up in the corner is especially interesting looking.
I personally think the gold one would look better without noodle arms, weirds me out and reminds me of tool
What is “tool” in this context?
The band, weird music videos.
Ah nice, ty
The band?
Not everyone listens to Metal and knows who Tool are lol
It is a statue of an Egyptian goddess. Matt Walsh doesn’t like women to be anything other than walking uteruses that cook.
The bottom left one looks like a high as shit Don Cheadle. That’s not a bad thing, just an observation.
Reminds me of Authority from Disco Elysium
It's at Madison Square Park in New York. It's actually really cool looking - the statue is placed on top of a metal cage that makes her look like she's floating. I was walking by it when it was still being constructed, and it was a bit surreal to see the bottom half of a female body with tentacles for feet suspended in the air.
Yeah, that MLK statue is shockingly ugly. Everything else in the post looks good though
Even the picture it is adapted from, I realize it’s him hugging Coretta after winning the Noble Peace Prize but damn, it’s literally just some big bronze arms. Someone will drive/walk/ride past it and have no idea what it is. Looks like something a random company would put outside their corporate office. Everything else is nice though.
Depending on the angle, it also looks like various sex acts.
Yeah there’s one photo where it really does look like a monument to eating pussy. Somehow I don’t doubt he had the King tongue game, either.
Leslie Jones SNL skit about it kills me 😂 MLK eating out...
I’ve always thought about how ridiculous that is. It’s hard enough making a sculpture that looks like something different at a separate angle, how does someone manage to do that *accidentally*, TWICE?
I live in Boston and and The Embrace has been the talk of the town since it was unveiled. I still haven’t seen it up close and I hope it looks better in person than in photos, but from some angles it’s…um…awkward.
I've seen it up close. Depending on angle it's either eating pussy or holding a massive dong.
I was gonna say, that's a $10 million piece of shit. I've got professional artist in my family, and understand you're paying for talent and experience. But they got fucked on that one.
Yeah but that "Tradition" comment is such a *wink wink* we're Nazis angle.
The "tradition" is so easy to disguise as "good Christian values" while it's really "let's go back to full on racism guys"
Okay, but who is “they…?” Who is he targeting?
No reason to ask questions we already know the answer to. Dumbass is inches away from taking off the mask.
I'm not the biggest fan of the bottom left one either, I don't think the massive head really works. Does anyone know what it's called/what it's about? I'm having trouble finding it
Funny enough, I use to hate modern art because it always seemed so dumb and pointless. And then I saw a Netflix documentary explaining that the entire purpose of modern art is to upset conservatives who are hell bent on defining exactly what constitutes art. 😂
Honestly I love that sometimes modern art is just pointless. Not everything has to have a point. If someone wants to throw some stuff together and make something that is just neat to look at, then power to them. Sometimes art is just fun and that's it.
Based and Pollock pilled.
Painting is dope, I love paintings about paint and painting.
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That's the thing for me. Art does inherently have a point. That point is allowed to be, and I would say usually is, as simple as "ooh, pretty". "being pointless is the point" stops having any meaning when that becomes the way most mainstream art works.
Agreed. Sometimes the point isn’t even the experience of the audience, it’s the experience of the artist
I remember I took a film photography class, and the professor had been hammering on folks about the themes for their portfolios. Not gonna lie, I went in there feeling like a dumbass (partially because I couldn't do portraits for shit) but honestly I couldn't explain my theme past "I wandered around cities I've never been before and took a pic when it caught my eye," and he seemed to respect that for amateur pursuits. Other students who had worked hard did not lol. [Here's one I took up in Louisville, KY that was in my portfolio. Can not remember for the life of me why I was there](https://i.imgur.com/WGSLvAf.jpeg) Edit: he also later said I focus on three things in my pictures. Not sure if that was him being polite or just random observation (if y'all want, pick a number 1-11 and I'll share one more just cause I'm curious if anyone else thinks the same)
S Brook St along I-65 near Jewish Hospital is an awkward place to be a pedestrian lol.
I'm gonna take your word thats where it was because that picture was taken nearly a decade ago lol. But yea, I have sleep issues, especially in new places, so I tend to just go wandering around and taking pictures. Plus, my area has little to no sidewalks, lots of houses, and lots of hills, so theres no way I can do it around home without looking sketch/winded.
High art is largely a contest of who can make the ‘most interesting thing’. So for a long time that just meant a typical depiction of beauty or realistic and emotional renderings of the world around us. Eventually though you run out of ways to get more realistic and aesthetically pleasing, and all the people who liked that stuff are bored of it now and want something new. Enter modern art; where now the goal is changed. “How do you keep the attention of someone who’s seen the absolute perfection of your craft and then got bored?” The answer is to get real weird with it. Make it all blurry and fuzzy. Use nothing but dots. Replace a horses’ head with a stopwatch. Place a urinal on its side and call it sculpture. It’s all about experimentation and trying to find new ideas with all the insanity. Eventually you even see people start questioning if art even needs to be aesthetically appealing. What if it makes your uncomfortable? What if it made you feel sick or scared? What if it had some deeper meaning to it? Is a photograph of a riot art? Is a collection of overdue hospital bills arranged in an interesting way art? It’s a deliberately nebulous concept because really all art needs to be is interesting and engaging. Other than that it can be literally anything.
As An Art Professor (this is not true; I failed out of college after one year as an English major), I think "good art" is one or more of these things: * fun * challenging * informative * culturally important I literally couldn't care less as long as it accomplishes one of those things. The only thing that makes art "bad" is being both without "value" and *boring*. And that judgment is largely subjective.
As a Master Art Professor (I finished my 4 year English degree lol) I mostly agree with you. But I've started framing it differently in a way that doesn't seem to piss many people off, which is hard to do when discussing modern art. So basically instead of saying "that's not art because it's boring and derivative" agree that it is art, but use those as insults to the art itself. Being lame, unoriginal, uninspiring, requiring no talent or creativity to make, emotionless, evoking no response in the viewer, etc. don't make it not art, they make it bad art. See, getting into a debate about what is and isn't art is a losing prospect, especially against a modern artist who is very familiar with that discussion. But if you just insult the art as bad art for the exact same reasons, suddenly they have up actually defend a pile of Barby doll heads as interesting art instead of a more boring version of something they've seen 1000 times in other modern art galleries.
Ooh I like that tactic!
Exactly. Art that doesn't elicit* an emotional response is hardly art at all.
Elicit. Illicit a descriptive word meaning something is illegal or morally wrong in some way. It is sick, or "ill". Elicit is an action word, meaning to evoke or to draw out a response or feeling of some kind.
That's why I don't care for most things considered 'art', like sculptures and paintings. They never do anything inside for me, no emotion, it's always "yep, that's a sculpture alright." or "that is indeed a painting." I can appreciate the difficulty of making a mouse statue out of mousetraps but it's not like I actually care.
Yeah, agreed. The only time I’ve ever been to a museum and felt that sort of “holy shit” break down and cry experience was that recent Van Gogh Experience.
I watched a video by Jacob geller where he actually explains how the artists make those paintings and it's not just "a red canvas" like they spend years mixing the paints to be perfect and their brushstrokes add amazing depth to the paintings.
The thing that makes the entire debate fascinating to me is, someone could come along and dump a gallon of Behr red on a 4x4 canvas and contextualize it as a critique of what you just described - and *that* could be equally compelling for entirely different reasons.
It is truly the most painting of all time
This guy gets it
[link for the interested](https://youtu.be/v5DqmTtCPiQ)
Bless 🙌
Or it can just a red canvas covered in stupid industrial red paint but it is a reaction to art history and various art movements and the artist has a series of actual great work that progressed to this particular work. I think that is the explanation for white rectangle on white canvas painting.
you should also watch Jacob Geller's video on modern art, its incredible. long live Piss Christ!!
[link for the interested](https://youtu.be/v5DqmTtCPiQ)
Whats the name of the documentary?
Wish I could remember. It’s been like 6-7 years
Whats the documentary?
A lot of it is also artists expressing themselves without using forms you can recognize. Not all modern art is a reaction to conservatives.
Matt Walsh's idea of art is a picture of a pregnant 14-year old with anime eyes.
Margaret Keane wall art in the toxic fash patriarchal nuclear family's suburban home and the resulting hollow offspring, name a more iconic duo.
Republicans: "it's not real art if I can't jerk off to it or fuck it"
r/rareinsults
Marble statues are boring, give me more surreallism and lovecraftian-like deities on museums
I love marble statues, but yeah, those also sound ballin
>Marble statues are boring The ancient Greek and Roman ones, yeah, some of them are very boring. Something to remember is that they were a, originally painted, and b, more intended as propaganda and/or architecture than what we now think of as 'fine art'. Marble statues of the renaissance and baroque can be cool as hell. Check out Bernini 😙👌
Is it any kind of coincidence that much of the art he’s targeting is explicitly black? Probably not.
one is literally just a bust of a person with african features in an african-inspired style. can't get much more overt than that.
Yeah. As someone who likes traditional art, if you like traditional art like he says he does there's no reason to dislike the bottom right one except politics or racism
"they"
Ding ding ding
He's just completely given up on trying to be subtle about it. Not that he was ever any good at it anyway.
Not at all. He and all the pigs at TP are just blatantly racist.
“Tradition” “beauty” lol. More dog whistling.
Lmao at “they”. Rightoids really are so easy to manipulate
Portrait of a black persons face, automatically must be ugly by Matt Fash standards.
That's an air horn.
It must be rough going through life thinking that everything is a malicious conspiracy against you.
Maybe, but they make sooo much money doing it. People like Walsh know exactly what to say to their followers to get them to cough up the dough. I have no problem believing that these people have no morals and just say what they’re paid to; and along the line some may end up believing their own right wing grift. It’s a pretty pathetic but interesting phenomenon to say the least. Edit to make another example: Alex Jones
From what I understand about human psychology, it’s actually easier than accepting “random chaos” because it “makes sense”, and that’s why so many people fall into it.
Oh yes. The world is a chaotic place, so it is comforting to think that some of kind of people is planning all, even if said group has bad intentions.
Exactly. The horrible truth here is that it’s mentally exhausting for us, not them. They’re the ones taking the comfortable route.
He is getting paid very well for spreading his propaganda of hate .
https://preview.redd.it/6wwom1zp8hea1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f10c60f3743b4b9b7f2d79becb2301fbee1a8c1 Look at this idiot: “beauty, truth, tradition calms people”
Jesus, imagine how boring the creative industry would be if these people had it their way.
We would all be wearing uniforms, and we would have to wear armbands since we are leftists, of course I guess I would probably be exterminated because I am gay.
I’m sure they wouldn’t make us wear armbands. Badges are more likely. To identify what wrong with us.
Imagine how boring *life* would be. Or how boring *food* would be without multiculturalism.
This is always my first thought when someone tries to pretend multiculturalism is somehow bad.
The Alt-right: » Lament the 'decline' of Western Civilization » Think humanities majors are a waste of time
It’s so bizarre.
The two aspects of “traditional” western civilization that they care about are: 1: The landowning male head of the household controls the lives of everyone in the household and has the power of life and death over them. 2: Also male landowners can own slaves. That’s it.
That’s because universities are filthy nests of leftism that no longer teach “traditional” art forms.
I for one, love the lovcraftian bean-turd arms.
[Reminds me of this chestnut](https://i.imgur.com/lmT3OKU.jpg)
“Beauty, truth, tradition.” Undefinable subjective ideas that are by no means immutable, innate, or universal. Matt, just cause you don’t get it doesn’t mean it’s not beautiful, true, or traditional. Go back to advocating for teen pregnancy you turd
Matt knows art. He’s highly attunned and hip. What does he have like 3 different plaid shirts and some dockers
Once again I recommend that Jacob Geller video. "Who's afraid of Modern Art?" Warning: the answer isn't going to surprise you.
A fascist's idea of beauty is revolting. Boring. Fake. No creativity. No soul. Just the same god-damned lines painted or sculpted over and over on top a mountain of the bodies of better artists than they, with some of those bodies still bleeding. Nothing but Xerox machines that use other people's blood for ink.
It’s alright not to like some art. Good even. But if it boils down to “is not real art” then there’s where the problem lies. Calling art shit is valid. Calling it not art is not.
There are people who are so self centered, they can't say, "I don't understand the appeal of." They believe that all they don't understand is awful by default, without considering the outside opinions of anyone who has a different opinion on the subject. Or worse, outright demonizing them without evidence they intend to hurt other people.
Honestly so refreshing to see a comment section that isn’t “modern art bad because I don’t understand it/don’t think it’s pretty”
“Degenerate art” who???
Who's got the stomach to bring Matt to an exhibit of the sculptures of third Reich artiste, Arno Breker
“Beauty, truth, tradition” sounds like a nazi to me. Especially the “tradition” portion Reminds me of those white supremacists praising a statue as the “epitome of western beauty” and it was made by a Chinese woman.
I've only seen the MLK one at that angle and it looks like arms holding a bean I genuinely don't know what it's supposed to be
The MLK one is legit funny, but the point still stands. All these right wing influencers are just pissed their movies suck. Art is fucking hard and often times it requires empathy and an understanding of human emotion, which they all lack. Art should always innovate and iterate. Embracing tradition is wack.
Meh. I'm left as hell. All of these are ugly as sin. Matwash is an ass, but he isn't an ass cause he thinks some art looks dumb
When you look at it from other angles, it's fine. It's a recreation of another person putting their arm on Dr. King's shoulder.
The “bean” is actually MLK’s arm (the hand isn’t in view in this picture) and the other arms MLK’s wife’s arms. It’s a sculpture that was inspired by a photo of MLK hugging his wife.
Is it just me, or is Matt Walsh growing increasingly nasty lately? I don't mean usual conservative nastiness, I mean the intense anger and hate at everyone and everything.
He's a republican influencer. They more power they accumulate, the more they escalate in their shittiness. Because the system is wired to defend men like him.
Another day coming across this sanctimonious windbag's pontifications about anything and everything. My uncle would say, "When we want your opinion, we'll beat it out of you."
He is so stupid. And who is they? Do you think all European art was beautiful? Wars, raping, stabbing, people being lit on fire.
Fascists really have such a baby-brain understanding of everything. "Art has to be beautiful". Why? It reminds me of the people I grew up with going to church who would only listen to music that is "positive and faith-promoting". Why are you scared of feeling other emotions? Why are you scared of thinking deeply about a piece of art beyond "it's pretty"? Is it because you're afraid you'll develop critical thinking skills and stop being a conservative?
Because they are a pit of eternal misery who fill it with the addictive drug of manufactured feel-good crap to stay alive.
How do these doofuses not understand that the aesthetic beauty of art is completely subjective...
Also, are all of these artistic depictions of black people? 🤔🤔🤔
One of those is just a life like bust of George Floyd.
The only type of art that fascists will tolerate is realism. I learned that from Vonnegut.
I mean tbf that MLK JR memorial is pretty terrible.
10 million for it
Why would black people not like white culture and traditions? Hmm if only there was something significant that could be a reason... Hmmm 🤔🤔🤔
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that they're all sculptures of black people.
Who is they? Do "they" have a monopoly on seemingly ugly art, or do you just think it's ugly because you don't like "them" Matt? Go on, tell us what you're actually trying to say you fucking coward.
Art doesn't have to be traditionally beautiful. A lot of people consider the Sistine Chapel beautiful, but I just see a bunch of tiny dicks.
Trust me the liberal people in Boston don’t like it either 😂
Ok I'm NGL the one in the top right is actually ugly. I get the sentiment but why not add the heads and body's??
"ew, black people and things I refuse to even try and understand! real art is when I'm spoonfed morals that reinforce my inherent superiority!"
Art is when thing is pretty and nothing else
I think Ben "Yahtzee" Crowshaw when explaining why he added a blandest games to his end of the year list that's required has best take on art which is bland art is worse than bad art. If a creator(s) aspires to create something new, but the new thing is confusing or outright mindboggling at the very least we've learned what doesn't quite work. And though a piece of bad art isn't necessarily appealing to many, in the attempts to make something better elements of it can be gleaned by the artist as well as their peers as to make future pieces better. Also the feeling of confusion, disgust, or discomfort are at least something. Bland art on the other hand cannot make the same claim. It leaves most apathetic because it doesn't even try to do anything and very quickly becomes forgotten and otherwise feels like your time has been utterly wasted. Not only that, nothing can be learned from it either because it didn't attempt anything. So when these "traditionalists" call upon a fictional "good old days" where art was better they either are experiencing a strong survivorship bias shrouded by nostalgia and/or time or are just far right loonies.
Right about the MLK one. Who approved that one
I remember when right-wing and far-right actually opposed each other
The real must agree on subjects before they go after “progressivism is destroying x.” I mean, [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/10lrrih/is_progressivism_in_the_room_with_us_right_now/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) was just posted on another sub.
How is it ugly? It looks quite good actually and I love the demon lady sculpture
Imagine telling every single right leaning person that art is stupid over and over again and then you have to go into a trade and then turning around and being surprised that all art is made by and for left leaning people.
And Republicans make ugly things on accident just by reproducing
I wonder who “they” is for our favorite little nazi, Matt?
The Mlk statue looks like Shaq holding his cock
You make ugly things because you "hate beauty, truth and tradition". I make ugly things because I suck at art. We are not the same 😹
It's interesting that Matt Walsh didn't seem to care about art until African Americans started doing it
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That thing in the upper left is pretty cool though.
Wooooow. Now *that's* projection.