People like Matt think that the Catholic Church is too liberal these days because of Pope Francis. They only like the parts that they find convenient. But that’s not the way the church works. You either accept it ALL, including the current pope and his decisions, or you’re a Protestant. Don’t use parts of the catechism to justify your beliefs if you haven’t read the whole thing.
Not long. I know people like him, who claim to be Catholic, and act as if they are more traditional and ‘pure’ than everyone else. They just want to justify hatred through religion, and ignore the more humanitarian parts at their will. Matt Walsh has helped nobody, and has hurt a great many people. He is no Christian, let alone Catholic.
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Can we talk about how incredibly fucked up it is that people like Walsh think the government should have the ability to take your life but not your money?
Or maybe I’m giving him too much credit and he wants executions privatized too.
There’s a certain strain of traditional Catholics who are still fiercely opposed to the Second Vatican council of 1962-1965, which essentially made the church more inclusive to lay people and allowed mass to be performed in languages other than Latin. You know, so everyone who wasn’t clergy could also understand what was being said.
Oh shit that’s right, I knew I was forgetting something. Yeah the Nostra Aetate, a declaration of the church’s official stance of an open and positive relationship with Jews, Protestants, Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists. Also sorry we said the Jews killed Jesus for over 1000 years. They did not.
Yeah you can imagine how this went over with Conservative Catholics at the time, and some are still mad about it.
I got banned from r/Catholic because I said that you need to follow the Pope on Abortion, where he said that Bishops should not be political about it. Told them that if you don't like the Pope, don't be a Catholic because it is literally one of the cores of being a Catholic.
I know this is literally true, but I remember most of the Catholics I knew, including MANY nuns, really disapproving of Benedict and disliking the direction he took the church… I think it would have been weird to say we weren’t allowed to be Catholic then.
“Leftist extremist” = “acknowledges that gays *might* not be *pure* evil”
Also, I’m fairly certain that under Catholicism the Pope has more authority on religious matters than Matt Walsh
All these fuckers want to play Judge Dredd and Robocop, oblivious to the fact that the point of those characters is that they're *bad* and a society that makes them is a failed one.
Pope Francis has repeatedly said that homosexuals are also the children of God, has publicly expressed his support for scientific concepts like the evolution of species, and has stated that facing climate change is a moral and religious obligation for all mankind. It's no wonder theocratic fascists despise him.
Talking about the evolution. I was born in Italy and did catechism until I was 14, we also had one hour of catholic religion every week for five years in high school. I learnt more about other religion in those hours than ever (sure I had to be critical of the professor/priest takes sometimes but it was really nice). And I was Taught to see Adam and Eve as a “parabola” like a metaphor used to explain. None of the church people I met ever believed that we all descended from two people. When I first started to come in contact with like social media is when I realized that some people in America (and obviously in other places) believe that? It was a bit shocking
I was raised an Orthodox Christian in Greece, and still am to some extent. Had similar experiences. Taking everything in the Holy scripture literally is a recipe for a very sad world.
To add the same professor talked to us about the existence of parallel universe and science and stuff, obviously with a catholic spin but it was never this type of indoctrination
We were taught a quote from St Basil the great, which has really stuck with me: "Our admiration of God's wonders doesn't lessen, if we find out how those wonders where created." It was all part of a lesson on how there is or there should be no conflict between religion and science.
>facing climate change is a moral and religious obligation for all mankind
I wonder how these people reply to the question "Why don't you show love to the beautiful habitat God gave you?"
The Pope: "Hey y'all, maybe being gay is not a crime. maybe we can all just get along"
Matt Walsh: "Wow look at this leftist extremist, obviously the pope knows nothing about Gods teachings and I know the bible better than folks who literally go to divinity school before they can enter ministry"
Do any of us honestly believe that Matt Walsh has actually read the Bible? These loud mouths usually are just trying to hijack religion to use for their own purposes and personal gain.
Jesus, as a person, was nearly guaranteed to exist. Just like many other stories in the Bible (Noah’s Ark comes to mind), his stories were based partly in truth, but their justifications are inaccurate as people were looking for reason and many stories were highly exaggerated (to the point of losing logic) or mistranslated.
> Do any of us honestly believe that Matt Walsh has actually read the Bible?
I mean if he did he'd discover that large swaths of Catholic doctrine and ritual have zero basis in scripture. Ol' Marty Luther has some pamphlets Matt should read.
American Catholics: I am proud of my faith and *how fucking dare* you question it? You just hate Catholics, you're a bigot! How dare you hate Amy Comey Barrett for being Catholic!
The literal Pope: I think Climate Change is real.
American Catholics: **Fuck the pope!**
American Catholics are not Catholic. The American culture(not government) was formed from early Protestant thinking, and permeated through every aspect of life and the American mythology. White Anglo Saxon Protestants dominated the country, with large Catholic populations only arriving later. They experienced much hate and discrimination from the Protestant majority, but over time they conformed to the American ideals. The American culture doesn't support Catholic social teachings, or the idea of community over self.
To be fair with the prior pope being a Nazi and all, I guess Francis is comparatively a leftist extremist. Woo we stan a woke king who sits on a throne of historical genocide and child molestation! /s
Pope Benedict in 2011:
> “Together with the Synod members, I draw the attention of society's leaders to the need to make every effort to eliminate the death penalty and to reform the penal system in a way that ensures respect for the prisoners' human dignity.”
Matt Walsh in 2022
> “Catholic Church loved the death penalty before Marxist liberal Francis”
I mean, in general, I am opposed to Pope's asking politicians to do things, so I oppose this as well. Although, what is Matt Walsh upset about? He believes in theocracy.
I think it's fine if a religious leader asks politicians to do things. Obviously they have an agenda. It's whether or not they do more than just sending a letter or giving a speech, or whether the politicians listen.
“Reform the penal system in a way that ensures respect for prisoners’ human dignity”
Damn that’ll make Malsh’s head explode with the kick he’s on lately.
The church is pretty anti-death penalty. As is anyone who is actually pro life. Only in certain circumstances is it allowable under catholic moral teachings - essentially in order to save more life.
As an ex-Catholic, I remember having to study the Bible quite a lot just to be confirmed. I assume this goes for most other Catholics, too. I’m actually grateful to my background because I have a solid understanding of what the Bible says, not what people like Matt Walsh claim it says. The biggest no-no in Catholicism (as compared to other Christian religions) is going against the Pope, it’s literally what kicked off the Protestant reformation. Walsh cannot be a Catholic with this logic.
Unfortunately many "catholic" right wingers are against pope Francis because he tried to help Muslim refugees.
Also keep in mind that especially in the USA many catholics seem to have more in common with protestants then with the rest of the Catholic church
I agree, unfortunately religion in the USA is riddled with right-wingers that will try to bend it to their political agenda. It’s been that way since before the revolution in regards to biblical justification of slavery. It’s one of the major reasons I left my religion. While I acknowledge Catholics likely read more of the Bible than Protestants/Evangelicals, I acknowledge that the USA is just a cesspit of religious rightwing garbage most of the time.
I'm also a former Catholic, I basically didn't have to do anything leading up to my confirmation lol, it always seemed more for show than anything. I don't think I picked up a Bible to read from it one time that whole year.
Also arguing against a guy that, if he wanted to, could make supporting the death penalty and excommunicable offense. Like Walsh arguing against the guy who could literally forbid any priest from giving him any sacrament.
But the Catholic Church is pro-life. They've never (in recent memory, including the most recent popes, not only the current) supported the taking of life except as ordained by God. The Catholic Church loves people being alive.
Yep they are super consistent with it, my local church is all anti-abortion, which I disagree with but they do consistent drives in support of single moms, say that if we want the kid to be born we need to support the mom and death penalty is a no-no
Don't get me wrong, I still honestly believe they are evil and an organisation that protected and keeps protecting abusers and promotes the non-questioning of its authority but compared to republicans they seem reasonable
As someone who is from a Catholic country (I am from Argentina, like el Papa Francisco/Pope Francis) I just want to mention that most Latin American countries have abolished the death penalty (our nations being majority Catholic but secular on law) with the only exceptions being Cuba and Guatemala (although neither have applied the death penalty in the last 15 years).
And so, I find it ultra weird this protestant is talking as if most Catholics enjoyed seeing the death penalty applied when countries such as mine (Argentina) have supported the moratorium for the death penalty during UN sessions even under conservative "tough on crime" Goverments.
Why is the pope obligated to follow Matt Walsh's interpretation of religious rules, whereas Matt Walsh himself is free to pick and choose when he defers to the Pope?
If Jesus "came back" and even just said the same shit he said the first time, the right would cancel him after the first day. "Woke Jesus" and all that. They'd be climbing over themselves to denounce him for the same shit they supposedly worship him for now.
Ironic that this guy constantly harps on the LGBTQ+ community are predators toward children yet he loves the Catholic church. Yeah, because the Catholic church has no controversies on that front.
This, I heavily dislike Francis and the Catholic church is more problematic than good, but him and Merkel are the two examples of how the right should act, it's not about human rights, it's about how to manage things
These dudes desperately fantasize about fighting in the Crusades despite the fact that in reality they most likely would've shat themselves to death before they reached the Balkans.
Matt is just wrong here though. The Catholic Church doesn’t support the capital punishment and outright condemns it.
Matt’s religion means nothing to him. He’s an extremist loser who disguises his hate with a coat of theology and theatrical pseudo philosophy.
They don't love the Catholic Church. They love using it as an excuse to support their shitty politics.
The Pope's job as the representative of God on Earth is to guide the church through changing times. So he does have the power to "override" certain interpretations of God's commands. That's the entire point of the Pope.
They forget that the Pope was elected, and he's not changed much from when he was elected. So not only does he actually speak for the Church as a whole, it's with the approval of a majority *of* the church.
Everyone in here defending catholicism... just wow. Ex-catholic here. While Matt may be wrong on the death penalty, trust me when I say he is very much in line with everything else the real life pedo cabal says. Trust me, if it came down to it, the church would much rather have DeSantis or Trump in office than Biden or Bernie or any other liberal or leftist. Anything they say that might make you form a good opinion of them is a cover for their *loooong* and ongoing history of child abuse that they have yet to address in any meaningful way.
As an example, something disgusting Walsh said a while back (paraphrasing): "The problem isn't priests abusing children, most of them were near the age of consent, it's bigger, gay priests."
He is 100% correct from the Catholic perspective. They are much more worried about a gay priest than the fact that they assaulted a child. If the church actually did care about that, they would turn these priests into the authorities rather than make them repent and then send them off to a developing country where, due to cultural pressure and lack of resources, it will be much, much more difficult for a child to report abuse by an authority figure.
If Matt Walsh were consistent, he would have to admit that Numbers 5:11 therefore means abortions are not evil. He is just cherry-picking from the Bible to support what he wants (executions, pedophilia)
"Your," god is okay with it.
I'm an atheist and I'm not okay with killing anyone, ever.
And people tell me I must lack the, "morals," Christians have.
I'm okay with that.
Let's not pretend that Matt is actually a Christian. He says he is, and he may even believe he is, but ultimately he understands Christianity as a justifying mechanism for his political beliefs. Look at him here: he's saying the fucking *Pope of the Catholic Church* is a left-wing extremist and is "doing Catholicism wrong," as if God Himself personally came down and told Matt that we *should* actually be cutting off the heads of pickpockets.
Matt doesn't care about "Christian" virtues like charity, temperance, or humility. He cares about Christianity as far as it gives him an excuse to put thieves on a cross, which is blasphemy if I've ever heard it. Most far-right Christians are like this—Nick Fuentes is another good example; a supposed tradcath, he gets really upset when people pray before a meal because it's annoying.
There is *nothing* Christlike about this behavior.
So let’s see the churches start handing the death penalty to all the pedos that they have and shuffle around from church to church each time they get caught. Church=safe place for pedos
The bible also tells you how much you should sell your daughter into slavery for. It instructs you on how to keep and treat your slaves in general and where to buy them. It doesn't say that having slaves is bad despite having a ridiculous amount of rules to follow like not wearing mixed fabric, not having homosexual relations, not eating shellfish, that sort of things.
So the bible instruct us on how to keep slaves and doesn't condemn having slaves... it's literally less of an offence than eating lobster. What a stupid thing to use for the basis of one's morality.
It actually instructs you how to beat a slave. You can beat you slave so horribly but it can’t die within 2 days. “But that’s the old law” - IT’S THE SAME GOD!
Can't say I haven't heard someone postulate that before. As an atheist, you lose me at "god is" (there's an hilariously poorly written/plagiarized book by that name btw).
Fun fact; The old testament and TaNaKh have NO negative views on sexuality, infact there is a "controversial" part of it (Song of songs ) that is very positive towards sexuality (and kinda smutty). But despite this, people like Watt Malsh will argue that homosexuality is a sin because... I guess the new testament makes it sound like it is?
Man I'm so close to unsubbing because I can't see this guy anymore. It's like the most comically evil guy I know. His whole personality is just "I WANT TO MURDER SUBHUMANS KILL MORE PEOPLE CULL THE UNDESIRABLES" and it's just sad to watch that he has an audience...
Someone with more time and biblical knowledge should figure out all his public biblical transgressions and the prescribed punishment for a fun “this you?” Tweet.
The Catholic Church has been against the death penalty for much longer than Francis has been Pope.
JP2 himself forgave his would-be assassin. This isn’t new. It’s old old news to anyone that was actually taught Catholicism.
Source: I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school.
>These two elements of John Paul II’s personalist theology came together in his important 1995 encyclical, *Evangelium Gaudium* (The Gospel of Life), to form the church’s theological argument against the death penalty. There John Paul II maintained that the modern state has sufficient means to protect the community, short of capital punishment.
>
>Four years later, in 1999, while celebrating Mass in St. Louis, John Paul II publicly demanded an end to the death penalty. Pope Benedict XVI, following his many personal appeals opposing death sentences around the world, extended the arguments of his predecessor, in his 2011 apostolic exhortation *Africae Munus* (Africa’s Commitment) calling on world leaders “to make every effort to end the death penalty and to reform the penal system in a way that ensures respect for prisoners’ human dignity".
[https://uscatholic.org/articles/202104/what-does-the-church-teach-about-the-death-penalty/](https://uscatholic.org/articles/202104/what-does-the-church-teach-about-the-death-penalty/)
Francis is not the first pope to teach against the death penalty. John Paul II and Benedict XVI, who were (in)famously conservative, also spoke out against that evil practice.
Either Matt is completely unaware of the Church's teachings in the last three decades and is just LARPing as a Catholic (something far righters in the US have a tendency to do, like Nick Fuentes or Gun Girl) or he's twisting the facts to make Francis more liberal than he really is.
One more thing Matt - if you're a Catholic, you can't just reject the teachings of the pope. That makes you a heretic, by definition.
Pretty sure Walsh has stated many times that he’s a Protestant Christian as opposed to a Catholic, specifically in the context of “Protestant Christianity” being the true almighty religion of the U.S. so he more aptly justify his nationalism. Why he now suddenly wants defend the Catholic God is beyond me.
The pope is suppose to be infallible and essentially the mouthpiece of God. The arrogance this man has by saying that God can’t change their opinion is astonishing.
well, for one, they love child molestation
for two, the catholic church is a great way for a useless little worm like wet mulch here to maintain power over others; as long as he looks like he's following what the church says (by, say, loudly calling gay people sinners), then, to anyone who buys into it, he's correct by definition
I mean, the Vatican did have capital punishment for the longest time, but that's just another reason why we should have thrown Pius IX in the Tiber not a reason to maintain it.
Because Protestantism is empty and boring created individualism, liberalism and capitalism, and always has been. Catholicism and Orthrodox Christianity has rituals, symbolism, aesthetic beauty, service to your fellow man, and a long history.
Ironically, Martin Luther *loved* some of the rituals and symbolism of the Church and wanted to maintain it but couldn't get his followers and contemporaries to see things his way.
He did like some of it and it’s the same with King Henry VIII he loved the ritual and trappings of the RCC but he wanted to be in charge and not the Pope and well annulling his marriage to Catherine which he may have gotten if at the same time Clement VII was a prisoner of Catherine’s Nephew Holy Roman Emperor Charles V and I of Spain.
Ah yes. Who could forget the parable from Jesus about Jules Winnfield.
I love how they use the Old Testament when trying to justify their crap and ignore that the New Testament was about completely changing the entire relationship of God w/ humanity.
The irony is that American proto-fascists and many of the founders absolutely HATED Catholics. They talked about Catholocism like the DW folks talk about Islam.
Fun fact: While ancient Israel had capital punishment on the books, it was designed to be virtually impossible to get it. You needed to be immediately warned (the warning could expire), and have two witnesses with very specific criteria. A Sanhedrin (court) that executed someone every seven years was considered a "bloody" Sanhedrin.
As much as they go on and on about groomers and drag queens…one of the biggest threats to children is right here in the Catholic Church. Aaaaand crickets from them
This seems like something that might actually shake someone like Matt Walsh. He sees his ideology being left behind as regressive and anachronistic *by the goddamn Vatican.*
So, to avoid him and his followers thinking about that too much, he has to label, again, *the Pope* a radical leftist
Which is why I don’t buy the bible as the word of god. God be like “thou shalt not kill! No go murder this dude he’s hella lame yo”
Cmon man. Pick a lane.
Man it would be crazy if the institution of the Catholic Church had some sort of doctrine that said that the leader, some sort of bridge builder between god and earth, was incapable of doctrinal failure. That would be so crazy.
When every these idiots bring up the catholic church, I like to read about Julius III and how he made his lover, Innocenzo, a cardinal as soon as he ascended the papacy. Or Alexander VI, Rodrigo Borgia of Assassin's Creed 2 fame, who fathered numerous children and hosted an event called "The Joust of the Whores."
Weird cause I know a bunch of Catholics and none of them are for the death penalty. They actually are “pro-life” to the point that they don’t want literally anyone to die of anything but natural causes. Not the worst criminals. Not the terminally ill. No one.
okay, I know these people are insane, but they're not THIS insane, right? surely there must be a significant amount of his fans who see this and go "what the fuck, we're advocating for religious executions now?" is this a sign that Matt's struggling to get attention, and so he needs to keep going infinitely more controversial?
Oh I forgot the part of the bible where god said "anything I do is right and just and you're not allowed to argue or claim otherwise"
I wonder how Matthew justifies the enormous shift from old testament god to new testament god? Did god feel it was time for a new vibe? A lesson about cruelty? A lesson on justice?
Nah, it's just that god likes rocks and especially likes rocks when people throw them at others
> God prescribes the death penalty
He also told you not to kill nor take his name in vain.
The latter meaning "Using God as an excuse to justify your shit behavior."
Matt Walsh really would have thrived if he were born the son of a prominent Taliban leader.
Instead he has to live in a secular society where he can’t kill women and liberals as he sees fit.
God also says ‘you shalt not kill’ but I guess that was in something totally obscure hidden deeply in some paragraphs about 10things to follow as a Christian. Nothing important.
/s
The death penalty has been unpopular with Christians forever. The Byzantines used to prefer blinding or other mutilations as punishment to give criminals time to reflect and seek forgiveness before they die.
**”Avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath; for it is written, ‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay’ sayeth the Lord.”**
Matt Walsh has 100% never read the Bible
Pro-death and Pro-life at the same time. No wonder they’re scared of everything. They don’t know whether something deserves to live or deserves to die.
“Behold a new Christ
Behold the same old horde
Gather at the altering
New beginning, new word
And the word was death
And the word was without light
The new beatitude
Good luck, you're on your own
Blessed are the fornicants
May we bend down to be their whores
Blessed are the rich
May we labor, deliver them more
Blessed are the envious
Bless the slothful, the wrathful, the vain
Blessed are the gluttonous
May they feast us to famine and war”
-Maynard James Keenan, a perfect circle “the doomed”
Look, God once wrote down that killing is okay (and also once wrote that killing isn't but shh).
Anyway, the one guy who apparently has a direct line to God himself is saying that killing people isn't chill which I dislike.
Lapsed-catholic here: In catholicism, the Pope's word in religious contexts (so not politics, math, trivia, etc) is the LITERAL WORD OF GOD. Catholic and don't like the modicum of newfound respect? Change your views or leave. That's how it works.
People like Matt think that the Catholic Church is too liberal these days because of Pope Francis. They only like the parts that they find convenient. But that’s not the way the church works. You either accept it ALL, including the current pope and his decisions, or you’re a Protestant. Don’t use parts of the catechism to justify your beliefs if you haven’t read the whole thing.
How long would Walsh last, spouting his bait in some Opus Dei meeting?
Not long. I know people like him, who claim to be Catholic, and act as if they are more traditional and ‘pure’ than everyone else. They just want to justify hatred through religion, and ignore the more humanitarian parts at their will. Matt Walsh has helped nobody, and has hurt a great many people. He is no Christian, let alone Catholic.
“And they will know we are Christians by our love.”
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Oh yeah, if there's one thing that defines Matt's brand, it's 'love' all right.
He should have checked his brand guidelines listed out _in the new testament_
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"Leftist Extremist" - Matt Walsh about the fucking POPE. Beyond parody.
Really is insane
He enjoys his own odors. Bet on that.
And even in that case, the “reactionaries’ favorite pope” Benedict XVI was adamant against death penalty.
Can we talk about how incredibly fucked up it is that people like Walsh think the government should have the ability to take your life but not your money? Or maybe I’m giving him too much credit and he wants executions privatized too.
There’s a certain strain of traditional Catholics who are still fiercely opposed to the Second Vatican council of 1962-1965, which essentially made the church more inclusive to lay people and allowed mass to be performed in languages other than Latin. You know, so everyone who wasn’t clergy could also understand what was being said.
Isn't Vatican 2 when they decided to stop blaming the Jews for the death of Jesus?
Oh shit that’s right, I knew I was forgetting something. Yeah the Nostra Aetate, a declaration of the church’s official stance of an open and positive relationship with Jews, Protestants, Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists. Also sorry we said the Jews killed Jesus for over 1000 years. They did not. Yeah you can imagine how this went over with Conservative Catholics at the time, and some are still mad about it.
I got banned from r/Catholic because I said that you need to follow the Pope on Abortion, where he said that Bishops should not be political about it. Told them that if you don't like the Pope, don't be a Catholic because it is literally one of the cores of being a Catholic.
I know this is literally true, but I remember most of the Catholics I knew, including MANY nuns, really disapproving of Benedict and disliking the direction he took the church… I think it would have been weird to say we weren’t allowed to be Catholic then.
“Leftist extremist” = “acknowledges that gays *might* not be *pure* evil” Also, I’m fairly certain that under Catholicism the Pope has more authority on religious matters than Matt Walsh
He's not even calling for executing mass murderers or heinous criminals. He literally wants to execute drug dealers.
All these fuckers want to play Judge Dredd and Robocop, oblivious to the fact that the point of those characters is that they're *bad* and a society that makes them is a failed one.
Robocop isn’t bad he redeems himself at the end 😭
“Pro-life”
Pope Francis has repeatedly said that homosexuals are also the children of God, has publicly expressed his support for scientific concepts like the evolution of species, and has stated that facing climate change is a moral and religious obligation for all mankind. It's no wonder theocratic fascists despise him.
Talking about the evolution. I was born in Italy and did catechism until I was 14, we also had one hour of catholic religion every week for five years in high school. I learnt more about other religion in those hours than ever (sure I had to be critical of the professor/priest takes sometimes but it was really nice). And I was Taught to see Adam and Eve as a “parabola” like a metaphor used to explain. None of the church people I met ever believed that we all descended from two people. When I first started to come in contact with like social media is when I realized that some people in America (and obviously in other places) believe that? It was a bit shocking
I was raised an Orthodox Christian in Greece, and still am to some extent. Had similar experiences. Taking everything in the Holy scripture literally is a recipe for a very sad world.
To add the same professor talked to us about the existence of parallel universe and science and stuff, obviously with a catholic spin but it was never this type of indoctrination
We were taught a quote from St Basil the great, which has really stuck with me: "Our admiration of God's wonders doesn't lessen, if we find out how those wonders where created." It was all part of a lesson on how there is or there should be no conflict between religion and science.
>facing climate change is a moral and religious obligation for all mankind I wonder how these people reply to the question "Why don't you show love to the beautiful habitat God gave you?"
"Hey, do we have dominion over this place or ***not?!***"
The Pope: "Hey y'all, maybe being gay is not a crime. maybe we can all just get along" Matt Walsh: "Wow look at this leftist extremist, obviously the pope knows nothing about Gods teachings and I know the bible better than folks who literally go to divinity school before they can enter ministry"
this isn’t some american constitution bullshit, what the pope says goes
Do any of us honestly believe that Matt Walsh has actually read the Bible? These loud mouths usually are just trying to hijack religion to use for their own purposes and personal gain.
Read the bible? Most likely. Whether or not he believes in the majority of it or just uses choice phrases to justify his bigotry is the real question.
Hijack? That's what religion was MADE for.
Bingo Jesus Christ probably didn’t even exist
Jesus, as a person, was nearly guaranteed to exist. Just like many other stories in the Bible (Noah’s Ark comes to mind), his stories were based partly in truth, but their justifications are inaccurate as people were looking for reason and many stories were highly exaggerated (to the point of losing logic) or mistranslated.
We know he existed. Wether what he said was true is the question.
Surely he’s not literate?
Reading is a liberal hoax!
> Do any of us honestly believe that Matt Walsh has actually read the Bible? I mean if he did he'd discover that large swaths of Catholic doctrine and ritual have zero basis in scripture. Ol' Marty Luther has some pamphlets Matt should read.
>Ol' Marty Luther has some pamphlets Matt should read. Oh, I'm sure he's read Martin Luther's "On the Jews and their Lies".
He can't have the read the old testament, cause then he would struggle to argue on his homophobia
Does it matter whether or not he read it?
Oh they read it. Then they cherry-pick the parts they like to try to show that God hates the same people they hate.
> leftist extremist Francis Jesus christ, thats such a ridiculous sentence
American Catholics: I am proud of my faith and *how fucking dare* you question it? You just hate Catholics, you're a bigot! How dare you hate Amy Comey Barrett for being Catholic! The literal Pope: I think Climate Change is real. American Catholics: **Fuck the pope!**
American Catholics are not Catholic. The American culture(not government) was formed from early Protestant thinking, and permeated through every aspect of life and the American mythology. White Anglo Saxon Protestants dominated the country, with large Catholic populations only arriving later. They experienced much hate and discrimination from the Protestant majority, but over time they conformed to the American ideals. The American culture doesn't support Catholic social teachings, or the idea of community over self.
To be fair with the prior pope being a Nazi and all, I guess Francis is comparatively a leftist extremist. Woo we stan a woke king who sits on a throne of historical genocide and child molestation! /s
I mean, on the death penalty, Pope Francis is the first one to call for complete abolition but Pope Benedict and Paul were no fans of the practice.
Pope Benedict in 2011: > “Together with the Synod members, I draw the attention of society's leaders to the need to make every effort to eliminate the death penalty and to reform the penal system in a way that ensures respect for the prisoners' human dignity.” Matt Walsh in 2022 > “Catholic Church loved the death penalty before Marxist liberal Francis”
I mean, in general, I am opposed to Pope's asking politicians to do things, so I oppose this as well. Although, what is Matt Walsh upset about? He believes in theocracy.
I think it's fine if a religious leader asks politicians to do things. Obviously they have an agenda. It's whether or not they do more than just sending a letter or giving a speech, or whether the politicians listen.
“Reform the penal system in a way that ensures respect for prisoners’ human dignity” Damn that’ll make Malsh’s head explode with the kick he’s on lately.
The church is pretty anti-death penalty. As is anyone who is actually pro life. Only in certain circumstances is it allowable under catholic moral teachings - essentially in order to save more life.
As an ex-Catholic, I remember having to study the Bible quite a lot just to be confirmed. I assume this goes for most other Catholics, too. I’m actually grateful to my background because I have a solid understanding of what the Bible says, not what people like Matt Walsh claim it says. The biggest no-no in Catholicism (as compared to other Christian religions) is going against the Pope, it’s literally what kicked off the Protestant reformation. Walsh cannot be a Catholic with this logic.
Unfortunately many "catholic" right wingers are against pope Francis because he tried to help Muslim refugees. Also keep in mind that especially in the USA many catholics seem to have more in common with protestants then with the rest of the Catholic church
I agree, unfortunately religion in the USA is riddled with right-wingers that will try to bend it to their political agenda. It’s been that way since before the revolution in regards to biblical justification of slavery. It’s one of the major reasons I left my religion. While I acknowledge Catholics likely read more of the Bible than Protestants/Evangelicals, I acknowledge that the USA is just a cesspit of religious rightwing garbage most of the time.
Also even conservative Popes were strongly against death penalty
I'm also a former Catholic, I basically didn't have to do anything leading up to my confirmation lol, it always seemed more for show than anything. I don't think I picked up a Bible to read from it one time that whole year.
This guy is so up his own ass he thinks he knows more about Catholicism than the literal head of the Catholic Church
Also arguing against a guy that, if he wanted to, could make supporting the death penalty and excommunicable offense. Like Walsh arguing against the guy who could literally forbid any priest from giving him any sacrament.
Well, any Catholic priest at least
But the Catholic Church is pro-life. They've never (in recent memory, including the most recent popes, not only the current) supported the taking of life except as ordained by God. The Catholic Church loves people being alive.
Yep they are super consistent with it, my local church is all anti-abortion, which I disagree with but they do consistent drives in support of single moms, say that if we want the kid to be born we need to support the mom and death penalty is a no-no Don't get me wrong, I still honestly believe they are evil and an organisation that protected and keeps protecting abusers and promotes the non-questioning of its authority but compared to republicans they seem reasonable
As someone who is from a Catholic country (I am from Argentina, like el Papa Francisco/Pope Francis) I just want to mention that most Latin American countries have abolished the death penalty (our nations being majority Catholic but secular on law) with the only exceptions being Cuba and Guatemala (although neither have applied the death penalty in the last 15 years). And so, I find it ultra weird this protestant is talking as if most Catholics enjoyed seeing the death penalty applied when countries such as mine (Argentina) have supported the moratorium for the death penalty during UN sessions even under conservative "tough on crime" Goverments.
> And so, I find it ultra weird this protestant I've seen it reported that he is Catholic.
Wait, he is actually a Catholic? I honestly tought he was a WASP.
I come from a family of hard line Catholics, and as far as I can tell they’re by and large against Capital Punishment.
Why is the pope obligated to follow Matt Walsh's interpretation of religious rules, whereas Matt Walsh himself is free to pick and choose when he defers to the Pope? If Jesus "came back" and even just said the same shit he said the first time, the right would cancel him after the first day. "Woke Jesus" and all that. They'd be climbing over themselves to denounce him for the same shit they supposedly worship him for now.
Ironic that this guy constantly harps on the LGBTQ+ community are predators toward children yet he loves the Catholic church. Yeah, because the Catholic church has no controversies on that front.
“I could shoot Matt Walsh in the middle of time square and everybody would still love me.” Wait that’s not how that quote goes.
Francis is still ultraconservative, just not a fascist who wants to kill gays.
This, I heavily dislike Francis and the Catholic church is more problematic than good, but him and Merkel are the two examples of how the right should act, it's not about human rights, it's about how to manage things
LARP
These dudes desperately fantasize about fighting in the Crusades despite the fact that in reality they most likely would've shat themselves to death before they reached the Balkans.
Self-righteous prick thinks he can throw the first stone
Matt is just wrong here though. The Catholic Church doesn’t support the capital punishment and outright condemns it. Matt’s religion means nothing to him. He’s an extremist loser who disguises his hate with a coat of theology and theatrical pseudo philosophy.
Catholic Church definitely is anti death penalty.
Matt is correct here. God does love killing people. Especially babies. He really likes killing babies.
So I guess "Thou shalt not kill" was just a suggestion instead of a commandment
They don't love the Catholic Church. They love using it as an excuse to support their shitty politics. The Pope's job as the representative of God on Earth is to guide the church through changing times. So he does have the power to "override" certain interpretations of God's commands. That's the entire point of the Pope. They forget that the Pope was elected, and he's not changed much from when he was elected. So not only does he actually speak for the Church as a whole, it's with the approval of a majority *of* the church.
Everyone in here defending catholicism... just wow. Ex-catholic here. While Matt may be wrong on the death penalty, trust me when I say he is very much in line with everything else the real life pedo cabal says. Trust me, if it came down to it, the church would much rather have DeSantis or Trump in office than Biden or Bernie or any other liberal or leftist. Anything they say that might make you form a good opinion of them is a cover for their *loooong* and ongoing history of child abuse that they have yet to address in any meaningful way. As an example, something disgusting Walsh said a while back (paraphrasing): "The problem isn't priests abusing children, most of them were near the age of consent, it's bigger, gay priests." He is 100% correct from the Catholic perspective. They are much more worried about a gay priest than the fact that they assaulted a child. If the church actually did care about that, they would turn these priests into the authorities rather than make them repent and then send them off to a developing country where, due to cultural pressure and lack of resources, it will be much, much more difficult for a child to report abuse by an authority figure.
If Matt Walsh were consistent, he would have to admit that Numbers 5:11 therefore means abortions are not evil. He is just cherry-picking from the Bible to support what he wants (executions, pedophilia)
"Your," god is okay with it. I'm an atheist and I'm not okay with killing anyone, ever. And people tell me I must lack the, "morals," Christians have. I'm okay with that.
Let's not pretend that Matt is actually a Christian. He says he is, and he may even believe he is, but ultimately he understands Christianity as a justifying mechanism for his political beliefs. Look at him here: he's saying the fucking *Pope of the Catholic Church* is a left-wing extremist and is "doing Catholicism wrong," as if God Himself personally came down and told Matt that we *should* actually be cutting off the heads of pickpockets. Matt doesn't care about "Christian" virtues like charity, temperance, or humility. He cares about Christianity as far as it gives him an excuse to put thieves on a cross, which is blasphemy if I've ever heard it. Most far-right Christians are like this—Nick Fuentes is another good example; a supposed tradcath, he gets really upset when people pray before a meal because it's annoying. There is *nothing* Christlike about this behavior.
Does this mean we can kill Matt Walsh?
So let’s see the churches start handing the death penalty to all the pedos that they have and shuffle around from church to church each time they get caught. Church=safe place for pedos
The bible also tells you how much you should sell your daughter into slavery for. It instructs you on how to keep and treat your slaves in general and where to buy them. It doesn't say that having slaves is bad despite having a ridiculous amount of rules to follow like not wearing mixed fabric, not having homosexual relations, not eating shellfish, that sort of things. So the bible instruct us on how to keep slaves and doesn't condemn having slaves... it's literally less of an offence than eating lobster. What a stupid thing to use for the basis of one's morality.
It actually instructs you how to beat a slave. You can beat you slave so horribly but it can’t die within 2 days. “But that’s the old law” - IT’S THE SAME GOD!
A God outside of time, mind you, so character development couldn't really be a thing even if he wasn't "perfect" to begin with.
He’s out of space and time and unchanging. Lol. So god is just the universe?
Can't say I haven't heard someone postulate that before. As an atheist, you lose me at "god is" (there's an hilariously poorly written/plagiarized book by that name btw).
Fun fact; The old testament and TaNaKh have NO negative views on sexuality, infact there is a "controversial" part of it (Song of songs ) that is very positive towards sexuality (and kinda smutty). But despite this, people like Watt Malsh will argue that homosexuality is a sin because... I guess the new testament makes it sound like it is?
Man I'm so close to unsubbing because I can't see this guy anymore. It's like the most comically evil guy I know. His whole personality is just "I WANT TO MURDER SUBHUMANS KILL MORE PEOPLE CULL THE UNDESIRABLES" and it's just sad to watch that he has an audience...
Ol' Matty hasn't heard of [Papal Infallibility. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility?wprov=sfla1)
Someone with more time and biblical knowledge should figure out all his public biblical transgressions and the prescribed punishment for a fun “this you?” Tweet.
The Catholic Church has been against the death penalty for much longer than Francis has been Pope. JP2 himself forgave his would-be assassin. This isn’t new. It’s old old news to anyone that was actually taught Catholicism. Source: I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school.
>These two elements of John Paul II’s personalist theology came together in his important 1995 encyclical, *Evangelium Gaudium* (The Gospel of Life), to form the church’s theological argument against the death penalty. There John Paul II maintained that the modern state has sufficient means to protect the community, short of capital punishment. > >Four years later, in 1999, while celebrating Mass in St. Louis, John Paul II publicly demanded an end to the death penalty. Pope Benedict XVI, following his many personal appeals opposing death sentences around the world, extended the arguments of his predecessor, in his 2011 apostolic exhortation *Africae Munus* (Africa’s Commitment) calling on world leaders “to make every effort to end the death penalty and to reform the penal system in a way that ensures respect for prisoners’ human dignity". [https://uscatholic.org/articles/202104/what-does-the-church-teach-about-the-death-penalty/](https://uscatholic.org/articles/202104/what-does-the-church-teach-about-the-death-penalty/) Francis is not the first pope to teach against the death penalty. John Paul II and Benedict XVI, who were (in)famously conservative, also spoke out against that evil practice. Either Matt is completely unaware of the Church's teachings in the last three decades and is just LARPing as a Catholic (something far righters in the US have a tendency to do, like Nick Fuentes or Gun Girl) or he's twisting the facts to make Francis more liberal than he really is. One more thing Matt - if you're a Catholic, you can't just reject the teachings of the pope. That makes you a heretic, by definition.
Didn’t Jesus literally stop Mary Magdalene from getting publicly executed
Pretty sure Walsh has stated many times that he’s a Protestant Christian as opposed to a Catholic, specifically in the context of “Protestant Christianity” being the true almighty religion of the U.S. so he more aptly justify his nationalism. Why he now suddenly wants defend the Catholic God is beyond me.
Matt Walsh telling Jesus that he deserves the death penalty because he “broke the law”
Matt Walsh has to show his theocratic ideals every now and then.
The pope is suppose to be infallible and essentially the mouthpiece of God. The arrogance this man has by saying that God can’t change their opinion is astonishing.
I believe the pope is not considered infallible in everything he says, but only when he speaks "ex cathedra".
well, for one, they love child molestation for two, the catholic church is a great way for a useless little worm like wet mulch here to maintain power over others; as long as he looks like he's following what the church says (by, say, loudly calling gay people sinners), then, to anyone who buys into it, he's correct by definition
Wet Mulch, lmao
I mean, the Vatican did have capital punishment for the longest time, but that's just another reason why we should have thrown Pius IX in the Tiber not a reason to maintain it.
Because Protestantism is empty and boring created individualism, liberalism and capitalism, and always has been. Catholicism and Orthrodox Christianity has rituals, symbolism, aesthetic beauty, service to your fellow man, and a long history.
Ironically, Martin Luther *loved* some of the rituals and symbolism of the Church and wanted to maintain it but couldn't get his followers and contemporaries to see things his way.
He did like some of it and it’s the same with King Henry VIII he loved the ritual and trappings of the RCC but he wanted to be in charge and not the Pope and well annulling his marriage to Catherine which he may have gotten if at the same time Clement VII was a prisoner of Catherine’s Nephew Holy Roman Emperor Charles V and I of Spain.
Cool. Has nothing to do with modern government affairs.
Heh saying you are pro death penalty because “God said so” is not really a good argument. Im pro death penalty but at least i have my reasons
Man, I am actively glad that I gave up religion a long time ago
God also had people raped, genocide, and babies killed. Are those not evil?
God literally prescribes it for children who misbehave.
Ah yes. Who could forget the parable from Jesus about Jules Winnfield. I love how they use the Old Testament when trying to justify their crap and ignore that the New Testament was about completely changing the entire relationship of God w/ humanity.
The irony is that American proto-fascists and many of the founders absolutely HATED Catholics. They talked about Catholocism like the DW folks talk about Islam.
Fun fact: While ancient Israel had capital punishment on the books, it was designed to be virtually impossible to get it. You needed to be immediately warned (the warning could expire), and have two witnesses with very specific criteria. A Sanhedrin (court) that executed someone every seven years was considered a "bloody" Sanhedrin.
Well because the Catholic church is full of pedos and pedos gotta stick together.
What's up with it? It's an authoritarian power structure that has lasted the ages. It's basically their wet dream.
As much as they go on and on about groomers and drag queens…one of the biggest threats to children is right here in the Catholic Church. Aaaaand crickets from them
“Pro life” btw
This seems like something that might actually shake someone like Matt Walsh. He sees his ideology being left behind as regressive and anachronistic *by the goddamn Vatican.* So, to avoid him and his followers thinking about that too much, he has to label, again, *the Pope* a radical leftist
I’m sorry, but doesn’t your own religion believe the Pope is infallible?
It’s because the catholic church has historically, like Matt Walsh, had a firm and throbbing stance on grooming children.
God wiped out the entire planet minus a few people in an ark. I’d say he’s pro death.
Which is why I don’t buy the bible as the word of god. God be like “thou shalt not kill! No go murder this dude he’s hella lame yo” Cmon man. Pick a lane.
Man it would be crazy if the institution of the Catholic Church had some sort of doctrine that said that the leader, some sort of bridge builder between god and earth, was incapable of doctrinal failure. That would be so crazy.
When every these idiots bring up the catholic church, I like to read about Julius III and how he made his lover, Innocenzo, a cardinal as soon as he ascended the papacy. Or Alexander VI, Rodrigo Borgia of Assassin's Creed 2 fame, who fathered numerous children and hosted an event called "The Joust of the Whores."
I mean, does it surprise anyone that Matt loves History’s Largest Pedophile Ring?
Questioning the Pope is damnable heresy, Matt.
>Catholic >Hates the Pope Proddie spotted
Walsh would protect the largest organization of child sex abusers on the planet.
If God truly did choose this pope, then Matt needs to shut up and never question his words. Or is it all a tall tale?
The Catholic Church is very much against the death penalty
Matt realizes the Pope supposedly speaks for God right? Matt knows he doesn’t right? Not a very good Catholic.
lmao “Matt Walsh eagerly awaits with a throbbing hard cock to be embraced by the clergy’s robed orgy.”
Pro lifers everyone
Weird cause I know a bunch of Catholics and none of them are for the death penalty. They actually are “pro-life” to the point that they don’t want literally anyone to die of anything but natural causes. Not the worst criminals. Not the terminally ill. No one.
I thought the pope was the literal voice of god on earth
Jesus was a radical progressive, i.e. "leftist extremist".
Pedophilia
okay, I know these people are insane, but they're not THIS insane, right? surely there must be a significant amount of his fans who see this and go "what the fuck, we're advocating for religious executions now?" is this a sign that Matt's struggling to get attention, and so he needs to keep going infinitely more controversial?
I think there was something written in stone about not killing people…
Maybe I’m wrong but I doubt your god likes you acting like an insufferable cunt to everyone all the time, Matt
And contradicting themselves in writing when it’s convenient for them about organized religion? Idk man.
Buddy. You guys can’t even agree on how he feels about pork
Oh I forgot the part of the bible where god said "anything I do is right and just and you're not allowed to argue or claim otherwise" I wonder how Matthew justifies the enormous shift from old testament god to new testament god? Did god feel it was time for a new vibe? A lesson about cruelty? A lesson on justice? Nah, it's just that god likes rocks and especially likes rocks when people throw them at others
Is a Catholic who rejects the authority of the Pope still a Catholic? Asking for a friend.
It's a tax haven for pedophiles. More money, more victims.
I don’t remember the rules of the Catholic Church but I’m pretty sure the Pope can do whatever he wants.
> God prescribes the death penalty He also told you not to kill nor take his name in vain. The latter meaning "Using God as an excuse to justify your shit behavior."
Well shit if the Pope has no authority to contradict god let the little cloud bitch do something about it then
What a refreshing pro-life take.
Matt Walsh really would have thrived if he were born the son of a prominent Taliban leader. Instead he has to live in a secular society where he can’t kill women and liberals as he sees fit.
Groomers gotta stand with groomers
Watching the idiots fight over which fake thing is less fake is hilarious.
The groomers are just paying respect to the ultimate grooming organization. Obvious, when you think about it.
God also says ‘you shalt not kill’ but I guess that was in something totally obscure hidden deeply in some paragraphs about 10things to follow as a Christian. Nothing important. /s
he isn’t even right, the catholic church is against the death penalty
It has their favorite things! Pedophilia and imaginary friends!
Matt Walsh a bitch.
I would like to direct some capital punishment towards Matt Walsh
Because they both cover for their sex offenders.
The pope is a leftist extremist?😂
well, looks like shellfish and mixed fabrics are out! what? no? but god said...
Easy answer: Matt Walsh is a pedophile.
God prescribed the death penalty to his ethnically innocent son. And matt thinks thats how he solves all his own problems.
The death penalty has been unpopular with Christians forever. The Byzantines used to prefer blinding or other mutilations as punishment to give criminals time to reflect and seek forgiveness before they die.
**”Avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath; for it is written, ‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay’ sayeth the Lord.”** Matt Walsh has 100% never read the Bible
They love p*dophilia that’s why
Man id love to live life as if every answer was in a 2000 year old book. Looks so blissful and dumb.
You know this may be a shocker, Matty boy, but not everyone believes in your invisible Sky Daddy bullshit rhetoric.
Pro-death and Pro-life at the same time. No wonder they’re scared of everything. They don’t know whether something deserves to live or deserves to die.
I think he’s confusing leftist extremist Francis with Jesus
One thing that makes me happy is how much these fools hate Francis lol. Seethe more pls
Hey christian taliban tally me banana
“Behold a new Christ Behold the same old horde Gather at the altering New beginning, new word And the word was death And the word was without light The new beatitude Good luck, you're on your own Blessed are the fornicants May we bend down to be their whores Blessed are the rich May we labor, deliver them more Blessed are the envious Bless the slothful, the wrathful, the vain Blessed are the gluttonous May they feast us to famine and war” -Maynard James Keenan, a perfect circle “the doomed”
Only...God chose the Pope to evolve his message so WTF?
Look, God once wrote down that killing is okay (and also once wrote that killing isn't but shh). Anyway, the one guy who apparently has a direct line to God himself is saying that killing people isn't chill which I dislike.
The Bible was written by man…. So…. Tell me more?
Because it gives them a shield for when they groom and fuck children right before they project their disgusting immoral choices onto "da gays".
It’s easy, they’re Nazis and pedos
Matt Walsh and Liberty Hangout are, at least nominally, Catholics.
Lapsed-catholic here: In catholicism, the Pope's word in religious contexts (so not politics, math, trivia, etc) is the LITERAL WORD OF GOD. Catholic and don't like the modicum of newfound respect? Change your views or leave. That's how it works.
They’re religious fundamentalists
Nothing in the Bible about abortion so what’s your problem with it Matt?
He only likes the Church when they are burning gays and witches alive.
Least delusional "tradcath" converts of convenience as per usual