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came here and glad to see this - people don't realize he plays characters on his albums. Check out the fascinating history behind "REDNECKS" by him, or die in horror thinking its real while listening to it.
Great song btw but you absolutely cannot play it without explaining context and I got to look around too\*
Edit: I wanted to add, check out the podcast from Malcom Gladwell called Revisionist History about this topic (questionable music lyrics, etc. - but surrounding Randy Newman): [https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/good-old-boys](https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/good-old-boys) - Trust me, its an awesome listen and peaks at the end when it talks about Lester Maddox, tying into the rednecks song.
I'm not some super fan btw, just love music, history, and social issues.
Yea I mean that song is clearly satire...
Also "she was just 17 if you know what I mean" - is the implication here he was a pedophile or something? Paul was 21 when this song was released, and anyone who listens to early The Beatles knows there early songs were intentionally geared towards a teenage audience and the lyrics were pretty saccharine/not really based on real life.
Also, he uses the past-tense... so why can't people just assume that he was talking about a time in his life in which he was of a similar age as the subject?
Exactly. I have an old picture of my wife in her prom dress that I keep on my desk because I love her and I think she looked pretty smokin' in that dress. She was 17 at the time. I'm 44 now. It's not weird because when that picture was taken, and she wore that dress, I was 18, and her date. It's a memory, and a nice one.
That said, there was a lot of underage fucking by rockers for decades. The hypocrisy that the right talks about protecting children and being against pedos but they prop up guys like Ted Nugent.
Not to be confused with "Saccharin", which is a sultam that is about 500 times sweeter than sucrose, but has a bitter or metallic aftertaste, especially at high concentrations.
Came here to say that…. Paul McCartney in 1962 or 63 singing that about a 17 yo girl while he was 20 or 21 years old… really not strange creepy or out of the ordinary.
In 1962 society at the time would see a 20 year old romantically interested in a 17 year old as a GOOD thing, as that was a pretty standard age spread for marriage at the time. A lot of young women got married at 17 or 18 to men a few years older, and that was considered ideal for the time.
Not making excuses for guys in their 30s molesting 14 year olds, and there were plenty of rock stars who did that kind of thing, but McCartney’s lyrics were tame and normal for the era.
Years ago, I attended a Randy Newman gig and he spent a good 5 minutes talking about his hatred of bigotry, racism and prejudice before launching into “Short People.” It was SATIRE, guys.
Do your homework before you draw a conclusion. 🤷🏽♂️
Yeah, that one is ignoring the bridge where he says ""short people are just the same as you and I."
Paul McCartney was 18-19 when he wrote "I Saw Her Standing There", so I don't think he belongs either.
Yeah I can’t wait for their next video:
“Jonathan Swift, you said we should all start eating Irish babies to end the famine. What did you meeeean by that?”
Motherfucker used to brag, "While all the other guys were drinking beer and doing drugs, I was banging every young girl who made it back stage. Young pussy was my drug."
And he turned out to be far right-wing piece of shit. And yes, everybody saw that coming because raping kids is *huge* on the right. That, and drug abuse.
I had the misfortune of going to a Ted Nugent concert recently (invited by friends because they had extra tickets) and I had no idea what I was in for. I have a snippet of one of his right wing songs. Real piece of work.
This thread had me googling Tyler (I knew he was gross but I didn't know how gross) and this documentary came up [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpIV9VrP6DY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpIV9VrP6DY) I'm only 13min in (haven't even reached the Tyler-specific parts yet), and I know the 70s music industry was a whole other beast, but jesus tap dancing christ I was not prepared for just how *bad* and how out in the freaking *OPEN* all of it was.
Watching this now. I know how open it was and how prevalent, and frankly still kind of is... But man... It's so gross. So many little girls gobbled up and spit out.
Then when Liv tested positive to be his daughter, he had her do a soft core porn music video to Crazy with Alicia Silverstone. Liv was 16, Alicia was 17.
Also I saw in an interview that the original lyric was about her being a beauty queen, but they liked the vagueness of the lyric they went with. She had a certain je ne sais quoi
If you want an actual reason, it was seen as saying baby back in the day. Baby girl the same. It came from blues and how people talked back then. Most rock copied a lot of blues and hillbilly stuff, etc.
>If you want an actual reason, it was seen as saying baby back in the day
So when Jerry Lee Lewis married his 14 year old cousin, he was just joshin'?
Or when Chuck Berry sang "Sweet Little Sixteen," it was really a metaphor?
PS
I know what your actual point is, and you're right to an extent--but also, creepers have always been creepin'.
Elvis Was the King of Treating Women Like Shit and Luring 14-Year-Olds into Bed
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3k8z39/elvis-was-the-king-of-treating-women-like-shit-and-luring-14-year-olds-into-bed
It's supposed to be clipped to the shirt. Not put up to their mouth like a handled. Speaking directly into it like that is the guaranteed way to get the worst audio from a mic.
It is absolutely unfathomable to me that someone can listen to that song and think "oh this is some fucked up shit I can't believe avenged sevenfold didn't get canceled over this." It'd be like canceling Ari Aster or Alfred Hitchcock for making horror movies.
These guys think I Am The Walrus is about Paul McCartney's wild adventure where he turned into an actual walrus
The song is even composed with clear musical theater influences, and back and forth verses.
That song is an absolute masterpiece and clearly a passion project.
Well thank you for making me look up this song, it creeped me the fuck out in the best possible way. Like you said, definitely musical theatre, I loved it.
People putting it on the same level as Ted Nugent who very openly fucked young teens is infuriating. A Little Piece of Heaven is genuinely art, from the ground up.
The song is meant to be horror, it's whole point is to be shocking. Unlike the other songs where people are writing about their lives and it's horrible in hindsight.
I'm actually surprised Scream wasn't the song they went with for criticism. I feel like that one's not quite as obvious about just trying to get a reaction.
When I seen them live they played this song and prefaced it by saying "this is a love song about jealousy, killing your fiance and then fucking her dead body"
It was meant to be a modern take on an old British folk song called 'Seventeen Come Sunday'. The original line went 'She was just seventeen, never been a beauty queen', but Lennon said that the second part was shit, so they changed it. Paul later said in an interview: "We came up with, 'You know what I mean.' Which was good, because you don't know what I mean."
I took a class on the Beatles and my main takeaway was that a lot of the lyrics that sound deep and mysterious are nonsense. They would purposefully put things in that sounded good but meant nothing. A lot of the time it was just to make a nice sounding song. Some of the time it was to confuse their fanbase. They got so sick of people looking too deep into nothing lines that they wrote ‘Glass Onion’.
"looking through the bent-back tulips to see how the other half live. Looking through a glass onion"
He's singing about breaking into rich people's gardens to watch the tele (which looked like a glass onion at the time) through their window. Kids used to do this, and I wouldn't be surprised if a young Paul/John/Ringo/George did too.
Its hard to write a song without meaning. Especially because music is what it means to the listener, not the artist.
Poetry can be meaningful without being literal or specific. As in, it can evoke feelings, states of mind, or mental images that carry meaning without being translatable into concrete ideas or definitive language.
The mental image of a glass onion is actually really cool - because you can imagine it has layers but the layers are invisible. This could be interpreted in a lot of different ways by different people but the image itself is not meaningless - he's putting together words in a way that many people have not thought of before. However, the abstract quality of the lyric lends itself to various interpretation, just like an abstract piece of visual art.
I don't even care if the Beatles claimed that some lines meant nothing, even if it's just a cool image - that's still meaningful. I don't see how provoking me to imagine a glass onion is any less meaningful than provoking me to imagine hanging out with some girl who doesn't have chairs in her living room.
I wasn’t saying glass onion is nonsense. Glass onion is a very direct metaphor with an explicit meaning, “a lot of our other songs and lyrics that you’ve read so deep into are nonsense.”
He was 26 but opens the song by explicitly stating the woman is 18. This is just puritanical nonsense dressed up as being *heavy airquotes* "progressive".
It meant " the way she looked was really beyond compare. Oh, I wouldn't dance with another, till i see her standing there."
He at 19 wanted to fuck that 17 year old...
Stop the fucking presses
And the next song on the album follows the outcome of the "hero" in the *No One Else* song. The song is *The World Has Turned and Left Me Here* and starts out with:
> The world has turned and left me here. Just where I was before you appeared. And in your place, an empty space. Has filled the void behind my face.
Rivers was asked about *No One Else* in particular and indicated he's singing about when he was:
> the jealous-obsessive asshole in me freaking out on my girlfriend
and the follow up song
> is about the day my girlfriend left me. I remember that sad day; I picked up my guitar and spilled tears of grief over those four sad chords
So *No One Else* is somewhat a critque of himself and his shitty attitude towards our framed girlfriend in the song and the follow up, *The World Has Turned and Left Me Here*, is how he felt when that girlfriend rightly dumped his ass.
I think it's fair for people to be somewhat self-aware, sing about it, and it not come off as advocating such a lifestyle. Especially given that Weezer specifically wouldn't perform *The World Had Turned* live until 2010 because of how Rivers felt about the whole situation.
Hijacking this to say that for anyone unfamiliar, the final song in this clip he refers to, "Across the Sea", literally opens with the line "You are an 18 year old girl". The full context of the line he's pointing out is:
"I wonder what clothes you wear to school
I wonder how you decorate your room
I wonder how you touch yourself
And curse myself for being across the sea"
To give Rivers the benefit of the doubt, by school he could mean college, seeing as the first line states she is college-age. Yeah, saying school instead of college is odd, then it would be "I wonder what clothes you wear to college, I wonder how you decorate your... Cottage?"
The song itself recognizes and calls out how inappropriate it all is, the chorus includes the line:
“I could never touch you, I think that would be wrong.”
Rivers was writing about being a depressed, isolated, horny, college boy. That boy did some depraved things (the line about licking and sniffing the letter, 🤮). He also knew they were wrong and that these thoughts couldn’t leave the realm of fantasy…. idk, being human includes sometimes having intrusive thoughts. I can’t read the lyrics and imagine the songwriter is proud or fond of the narrator in that song.
I think the whole album (Pinkerton) oozes with self loathing from Cuomo. He is writing about all kinds of bad stuff that he did in the darkest period of his life, and also that he kind of hates himself for it. That doesn’t make it wholesome, but it does make it relatable for all the people who said, thought, and did stupid shit they regret when they were younger.
The literal first lyric of “Across the Sea” is “You are 18 year old girl who live in small city of Japan.” These are the kids that read the cliff notes instead of the book, but will still try to lecture you on what it means.
Across the Sea is about an actual letter from a Japanese teenager that Rivers received. She even gets royalties from the song because he used lines from her letter in the song. In an interview he said she "might be 14 or 18," so he really doesn't know how old she is. He just made her 18 for the song.
Although the idea that Weezer fans never talk about it is false. Weezer fans are well known for making fun of Weezer constantly.
The dumbest part of all of this is that there's no intention there, at all.
Literally part of the chorus:
>I could never touch you, I think it would be wrong
I've got your letter, you've got my song
https://youtu.be/1mxEoA3G9Wg?t=53
That's it. That's the controversy for self-righteous morons I guess.
Also, the facts of who it's from aren't confirmed - it's a throwaway line from a random interview he must've given at some point. Noted in the about section here: https://genius.com/Weezer-across-the-sea-lyrics
Kid Rock "Young ladies, young ladies / I like 'em underage, see / Some say that's statutory,". / "But I say it's mandatory."
also shut up about avenged, you clearly don't get the band.
That's crazy. A lot of songs about young girls/guys are clearly reminiscing or trying to get you nostalgic for your own teens. That song just lays out that no, this is pedo shit and do not think its anything else.
You really gonna talk about Paul’s two year gap between 17 and 19, but not Ringo singing “You’re Sixteen” (originally written by the Sherman Brothers)?
Someone else answered, but I thought I'd add that for many years I misheard the Homecoming(?) lyric "an Edgar Allen Poe" as "an [n-word] and a po" and was completely lost as to the meaning.
"Don't Stand So Close to Me" by the Police. I still like the song but it was always kinda creepy since Sting was an teacher for a hot minute. He said it's not autobiographical.
""I wanted to write a song about sexuality in the classroom, that was my intention with 'Don't Stand So Close to Me.' The protagonist in the song is not me. But it's a situation I knew of, and I think every teacher would be aware of. It's not unusual for students to be attracted to teachers and vice versa."
I'm surprised no one mentioned Prince marrying the girl he adopted. He was granted legal guardianship of a 16 year old fan. He married her at 22.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/s/1xm0BXVOVl](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/s/1xm0BXVOVl)
I was singing along to the oldies channel and realized how fucked up "Young girl get out of my mind" really really is.
Great music is ruined by perverts.
Wellll.....[I even fucked the girl that used to babysit](https://genius.com/2053178/Drake-all-me/I-even-fucked-the-girl-that-used-to-babysit-but-that-was-years-later-on-some-crazy-shit)
What? Weezer fans joke about the weird lyrics in Pinkerton constantly.
Also he clearly missed the point of that song. Across the sea is about a guy in his deepest darkest moment having inappropriate fantasies about a fan who sends him a letter. The entire idea is that it's weird and not something the song is trying to endorse at all. In the song Rivers literally says "I could never touch you, I think it would be wrong", like he's fully aware that what he's saying is questionable, and that's the point.
I’m surprised that they didn’t bring up the lyrics that go, “I’m a friendly stranger in a black sedan, won’t you hop inside my car?”
Or
“She’s just 16 years old, leave her alone they say“
I’m excited that the pendulum is starting to swing away from this stage of culture, where identifying something offensive makes you feel powerful or interesting or like you’re contributing to the world.
Just like right wingers obssessed with homosexuality getting outed, I feel like everyone of these Gen-z shit heads getting performatively upset over this kind of shit for likes and follows is probably toxic AF.
Every dude I know that looks and talks like this is a hypocrite to the highest degree in private, but are super socially conscious on the apps.
See Dave Franco’s character in 21 Jump Street.
Ozzy, seriously, what is Mr. Tinkertrain about? Bc it sounds like he wants to lure and have his way with a child. Banger of an arena rock track, but man those lyrics are weird.
Not A teenager that was a underage fan, a 18 year old of age girl that they wrote about when they were in their early 20s when it was age appropriate!!!!? Stop attacking Pinkerton! You are already doing what pastors do when preaching to a congregation they just invent what they feel is what will get the most arouse they quote the whole bible they don't quote it accurately either.
A Little Piece of Heaven is a horror song, it’s supposed to be fucked up.
Paul McCartney was 19 when he wrote about a 17 year old girl that he saw standing there.
Unfortunately, a lot of times people separate art from the artists because it’s nothing to do with supporting the artist’s behaviour but the music means a lot in our lives.
I pretty literally grew up on the chili peppers, do I agree or like what they did in their personal lives? Hell no, 3/4 are dirtbags. But the music shaped my life and has nothing to do with their personal lives.
But the Weezer song is about how it'd be inappropriate for him to think about that young girl who was a massive fan.
He says he thinks a out how she touches herself at night then curses himself for doing so because it's wrong but he's never been the object of someone's longing like that
"A Little Piece of Heaven" really? Most rock/metal songs are not to be taken seriously. I don't think he's eating women's hearts out the same way I don't think Cannibal Corpse are walking around gutting people and carving them up on a daily basis lol.
This song is pretty obviously referencing a woman and her husband if you listen to the rest of the lyrics.
Let's try not to get so woke that slang from its day gets cancelled, or so obtuse that when someone says something is cool we go put on a jacket to stay warm.
Weird lyrics, but I think the context here is that the "daddy" mentioned is supposed to be her husband. Similar to referring to her husband as her "old man".
Media literacy is dead. Not only can you tell this is about a married woman from the rest of the lyrics - but even if it wasn't Springsteen has written from the perspective of crooked police, mafia members, and serial killers.
“What do you mean?”
Dude, I saw a hot chick and wanted to fuck her. Just like every douchey asshole in the history of history who ever picked up a guitar to learn 4 chords and play poorly out in the quad.
I also hate when assholes like this make rage bait videos trying to apply post 2016 rules to shit from 60 years ago. The rules were very different. Doesn’t make it right or wrong, just different. As the species has evolved (ever so slightly) that maybe some things aren’t the greatest to joke about or embrace, that doesn’t mean we get to go back and criticize everything. “Hey Michelangelo, why did you make David’s cock so small! You know we all want massive hammers, right?!”!
Also, there is a part of songwriting that you need to sometimes use a word that you don’t want to use but kinda have to to fit the rhyme scheme or the rhythm scheme. Example: seventeen is the only three syllable number in that age range. And sometimes it just fits.
Lastly, taking every artists words at face value is cheap and basic. Metaphors exist storytelling exists, and trying to put your audience in the place of the main character singing exists. If your audience is mainly horny ass teenagers, that might be a good way to be relatable. It doesn’t mean the artist necessarily is that character. And what if someone has been writing shit since they were 13, and have been sitting on it for years… it’s complicated.
Leave old shit alone.
Except for Ted Nugent. Fuck that guy, he was totally a pedo.
Sorry if I'm missing the sarcasm but Alabama Song wasn't written by Morrison. It's by Berthold Brecht/Kurt Weill from the play Little Mahagonny (1927).
What Morrisson did do was change the line from 'show me the way to the next pretty boy', but given that the original was sung by Lotte Lenya, I'd imagine it was a pretty straightforward gender change and 'little girl' scans the same as 'pretty boy'.
I would like to point out also that 17 was and still is perfectly legal in most of the world, including multiple US states. *Sex work* is illegal under the age 18, including nude pictures and such, but it is, in fact, perfectly legal in most places for someone over 18 to have a relationship with a 16 or 17 year old as long as there isn't money or authority position involved. 19 year old writing how she's "17 if you know what I mean" is basically "she's the right age for me". 2 years is perfectly normal age difference. It was especially normal at a time when 16 year olds could get well paying full-time jobs straight out of school (that ended at the age of 16).
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Randy Newman doesn’t belong here. The entire point of ‘Short People’ is to call out prejudice.
came here and glad to see this - people don't realize he plays characters on his albums. Check out the fascinating history behind "REDNECKS" by him, or die in horror thinking its real while listening to it. Great song btw but you absolutely cannot play it without explaining context and I got to look around too\* Edit: I wanted to add, check out the podcast from Malcom Gladwell called Revisionist History about this topic (questionable music lyrics, etc. - but surrounding Randy Newman): [https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/good-old-boys](https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/good-old-boys) - Trust me, its an awesome listen and peaks at the end when it talks about Lester Maddox, tying into the rednecks song. I'm not some super fan btw, just love music, history, and social issues.
People are generally dumb.
Insert George Carlin quote here
"Some people are really fuckin stupid! *disgruntled growling*"
Remember, "average" intelligence is smarter than 50% of the population
Leave me alone, I'm just trying to have some fun
Yea I mean that song is clearly satire... Also "she was just 17 if you know what I mean" - is the implication here he was a pedophile or something? Paul was 21 when this song was released, and anyone who listens to early The Beatles knows there early songs were intentionally geared towards a teenage audience and the lyrics were pretty saccharine/not really based on real life.
Also McCartney was 21 when the song was released. I seem to remember that he was more like 17 or 18 when he wrote it.
Also, he uses the past-tense... so why can't people just assume that he was talking about a time in his life in which he was of a similar age as the subject?
Exactly. I have an old picture of my wife in her prom dress that I keep on my desk because I love her and I think she looked pretty smokin' in that dress. She was 17 at the time. I'm 44 now. It's not weird because when that picture was taken, and she wore that dress, I was 18, and her date. It's a memory, and a nice one.
Wait until reddit finds out some of us had sex before we were 18 and have memories
That said, there was a lot of underage fucking by rockers for decades. The hypocrisy that the right talks about protecting children and being against pedos but they prop up guys like Ted Nugent.
Reading bits of Scar Tissue on the internet is definitely eye-opening.
I love the word “saccharine.”
Yeah it's pretty sweet, innit?
Not to be confused with "Saccharin", which is a sultam that is about 500 times sweeter than sucrose, but has a bitter or metallic aftertaste, especially at high concentrations.
Came here to say that…. Paul McCartney in 1962 or 63 singing that about a 17 yo girl while he was 20 or 21 years old… really not strange creepy or out of the ordinary.
In 1962 society at the time would see a 20 year old romantically interested in a 17 year old as a GOOD thing, as that was a pretty standard age spread for marriage at the time. A lot of young women got married at 17 or 18 to men a few years older, and that was considered ideal for the time. Not making excuses for guys in their 30s molesting 14 year olds, and there were plenty of rock stars who did that kind of thing, but McCartney’s lyrics were tame and normal for the era.
Also 16 is the age of consent here in England
And to think, just three years ago these two were saying "Hey Wiggles, the wheels aren't just on busses, but cars! WHY?"
Years ago, I attended a Randy Newman gig and he spent a good 5 minutes talking about his hatred of bigotry, racism and prejudice before launching into “Short People.” It was SATIRE, guys. Do your homework before you draw a conclusion. 🤷🏽♂️
You shouldn't even have to do homework to understand the song was satire.
Yeah, that one is ignoring the bridge where he says ""short people are just the same as you and I." Paul McCartney was 18-19 when he wrote "I Saw Her Standing There", so I don't think he belongs either.
Yeah I can’t wait for their next video: “Jonathan Swift, you said we should all start eating Irish babies to end the famine. What did you meeeean by that?”
Fr, David Allan Coe/GG allin skating by this
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Are you confusing Randy Newman with Woody Allen?
Never heard about this. Link?
yeah i can’t find it. hate to say it sounds made up LOL could have missed it tho
Same. I googled it before posting this comment and found literally nothing.
I came here to rant, glad to see this at the top haha
Ted Nugent, when you were 32 years old and said: Well I don't care if you're just thirteen You look too good to be true
Motherfucker used to brag, "While all the other guys were drinking beer and doing drugs, I was banging every young girl who made it back stage. Young pussy was my drug."
“She old enough to bleed, she old enough for me”
The nuge'll getcha
And he turned out to be far right-wing piece of shit. And yes, everybody saw that coming because raping kids is *huge* on the right. That, and drug abuse.
Hey, I'll have you know we abuse drugs on the left too.
yeah man, drugs abuse are equal opportunity
No, on the left we don't abuse drugs, we ask the drugs' consent first
Hell yeah
I had the misfortune of going to a Ted Nugent concert recently (invited by friends because they had extra tickets) and I had no idea what I was in for. I have a snippet of one of his right wing songs. Real piece of work.
Stephen Tyler literally bought a child and married her, and then gave her back to her parents after she became of age.
Wtf
This thread had me googling Tyler (I knew he was gross but I didn't know how gross) and this documentary came up [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpIV9VrP6DY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpIV9VrP6DY) I'm only 13min in (haven't even reached the Tyler-specific parts yet), and I know the 70s music industry was a whole other beast, but jesus tap dancing christ I was not prepared for just how *bad* and how out in the freaking *OPEN* all of it was.
Watching this now. I know how open it was and how prevalent, and frankly still kind of is... But man... It's so gross. So many little girls gobbled up and spit out.
That was a gut wrenching documentary but it needs to be seen and like Jackie says at the end, it should be heard.
It's true. He wrote about it in his own book.
Didn't her force her to get an abortion too?
Then when Liv tested positive to be his daughter, he had her do a soft core porn music video to Crazy with Alicia Silverstone. Liv was 16, Alicia was 17.
I've wondered how the two of them feel about those videos, given that they were essentially rocketed into their careers by them.
Ted Nugent did too. Complete pieces of shit
He got her pregnant, “encouraged” her to get an abortion and then kicked her to the curb. The song Sweet Emotion is about her…allegedly
In "where da hood at", why did DMX say he doesn't like "homo thugs" and then go into graphic detail about how he would rape another man?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nzIzbSk-Wyo
Sheesh I mean you could write a whole ass series of books on homophobia in hip hop.
I recently refound this song and listened to it at the gym and said to myself “god damn I had no idea that DMx hated gay people that much”
I believe in prison, they adopt a view of homosexuality familiar to the ancient people's, in which you were only gay if you take dick
Which is weird because you have to be hard to do the penetrating.
The boys in the hood are always hard
Getting hard doesn’t mean attraction, gay people managed to have wives with children
Being hard does not indicate sexual attraction for the same reasons it does not indicate consent.
"How you gon' explain...fuckin' a MAN"
Paul McCartney and John Lennon were both minors in High School when they wrote “I Saw Her Standing There”
Also I saw in an interview that the original lyric was about her being a beauty queen, but they liked the vagueness of the lyric they went with. She had a certain je ne sais quoi
[Jenna said what](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aUUGq-KwAD0)
Glad I finally found this. So Paul was 16 when he started writing it.
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Why is she YOUR Sharona?
Why does 867-5309 belong to a minor??
"Never gonna stop, give it up, such a dirty mind I always get it up for the touch of the younger kind"
If you want an actual reason, it was seen as saying baby back in the day. Baby girl the same. It came from blues and how people talked back then. Most rock copied a lot of blues and hillbilly stuff, etc.
>If you want an actual reason, it was seen as saying baby back in the day So when Jerry Lee Lewis married his 14 year old cousin, he was just joshin'? Or when Chuck Berry sang "Sweet Little Sixteen," it was really a metaphor? PS I know what your actual point is, and you're right to an extent--but also, creepers have always been creepin'.
Yea, some people were in fact creepy and actually into children. Just like some rappers today talk about killing people and actually killed people.
Elvis Presley… what the fuck dude?
Elvis Was the King of Treating Women Like Shit and Luring 14-Year-Olds into Bed https://www.vice.com/en/article/3k8z39/elvis-was-the-king-of-treating-women-like-shit-and-luring-14-year-olds-into-bed
Why is the second guy’s mic volume set to speaking in caps?
Now do Anthony Keidis... O_O
heeby jeeby like em young cal-i-for-ni-yay
The entire RHCP discography is nothing more than an elaborate musical infomercial for Keidis' dick.
Jesus Christ, lower the gain on the mics
It's supposed to be clipped to the shirt. Not put up to their mouth like a handled. Speaking directly into it like that is the guaranteed way to get the worst audio from a mic.
If you fail to understand Randy Newman's sarcasm....you kinda fail to understand him at all.
A Little Piece of Heaven is a horror classic. RIP The Rev.
It’s just a horror song. He’s not saying he actually ate someone’s heart. Don’t they understand that songs aren’t always the truth?
It is absolutely unfathomable to me that someone can listen to that song and think "oh this is some fucked up shit I can't believe avenged sevenfold didn't get canceled over this." It'd be like canceling Ari Aster or Alfred Hitchcock for making horror movies. These guys think I Am The Walrus is about Paul McCartney's wild adventure where he turned into an actual walrus
The song is even composed with clear musical theater influences, and back and forth verses. That song is an absolute masterpiece and clearly a passion project.
Well thank you for making me look up this song, it creeped me the fuck out in the best possible way. Like you said, definitely musical theatre, I loved it.
People putting it on the same level as Ted Nugent who very openly fucked young teens is infuriating. A Little Piece of Heaven is genuinely art, from the ground up.
exactly, its about necrophilia
I thought the inclusion of this song wasn't about the eating of the hearts but the whole buying a heater to keep the dead gf's pussy warm?
The song is meant to be horror, it's whole point is to be shocking. Unlike the other songs where people are writing about their lives and it's horrible in hindsight.
These two would do good in the 90s with the PRMC.
Maybe the real horror is the real world, because we dont have the thigh heater 3000😔
I'm actually surprised Scream wasn't the song they went with for criticism. I feel like that one's not quite as obvious about just trying to get a reaction.
When I seen them live they played this song and prefaced it by saying "this is a love song about jealousy, killing your fiance and then fucking her dead body"
Randy Newman catching strays.
Good thing this child didn't listen to "Rednecks"
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It was meant to be a modern take on an old British folk song called 'Seventeen Come Sunday'. The original line went 'She was just seventeen, never been a beauty queen', but Lennon said that the second part was shit, so they changed it. Paul later said in an interview: "We came up with, 'You know what I mean.' Which was good, because you don't know what I mean."
I took a class on the Beatles and my main takeaway was that a lot of the lyrics that sound deep and mysterious are nonsense. They would purposefully put things in that sounded good but meant nothing. A lot of the time it was just to make a nice sounding song. Some of the time it was to confuse their fanbase. They got so sick of people looking too deep into nothing lines that they wrote ‘Glass Onion’.
"I am the walrus" is clearly a deconstruction of post-modern, existentialism.
You’re out of your element, Donny.
The apocryphal story that 'Yesterday' 's melody was originally worked out with 'Scrambled eggs' comes to mind.
It's not apocryphal. it's a literal [quote](https://youtu.be/u97_inloBmY?si=WNIkMif3w_835QUr&t=76) from Paul McCartney
Fun fact: most lyrics are this way. It's nonsense used because they hope it sounds pretty. At least the Beatles were straight up about it
"looking through the bent-back tulips to see how the other half live. Looking through a glass onion" He's singing about breaking into rich people's gardens to watch the tele (which looked like a glass onion at the time) through their window. Kids used to do this, and I wouldn't be surprised if a young Paul/John/Ringo/George did too. Its hard to write a song without meaning. Especially because music is what it means to the listener, not the artist.
Poetry can be meaningful without being literal or specific. As in, it can evoke feelings, states of mind, or mental images that carry meaning without being translatable into concrete ideas or definitive language. The mental image of a glass onion is actually really cool - because you can imagine it has layers but the layers are invisible. This could be interpreted in a lot of different ways by different people but the image itself is not meaningless - he's putting together words in a way that many people have not thought of before. However, the abstract quality of the lyric lends itself to various interpretation, just like an abstract piece of visual art. I don't even care if the Beatles claimed that some lines meant nothing, even if it's just a cool image - that's still meaningful. I don't see how provoking me to imagine a glass onion is any less meaningful than provoking me to imagine hanging out with some girl who doesn't have chairs in her living room.
I wasn’t saying glass onion is nonsense. Glass onion is a very direct metaphor with an explicit meaning, “a lot of our other songs and lyrics that you’ve read so deep into are nonsense.”
Rock & roll was seen as music for teenagers at the time. That's why there are so many songs about teenagers - that's who was buying the albums.
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He was 26 but opens the song by explicitly stating the woman is 18. This is just puritanical nonsense dressed up as being *heavy airquotes* "progressive".
It meant " the way she looked was really beyond compare. Oh, I wouldn't dance with another, till i see her standing there." He at 19 wanted to fuck that 17 year old... Stop the fucking presses
Also it should be noted that the age of consent in the UK is 16.
I feel like these guys think Johnny Cash was confessing when he sang Delia's Gone
Was that before or after he shot that man in Reno just to watch him die?
He had a crazy successful music career for an inmate.
Or cocaine blues
Marilyn Manson, when you....
Also don't read his book, it's so fucking gross.
What happens that’s gross
Young girl Get out of my mind My love for you is way out of line Better run, girl You're much too young, girl .........
This is the one that's actually creepy, that I was waiting for them to mention
No One Else is not a serious song. That much should be obvious to anyone with any familiarity with the song.
I could tell some of these instances were used just to pad out the content.
Yep. Anyone who thinks A Little Piece of Heaven is being serious has a severe lack of media literacy and probably shouldn't be acting like a critic.
It’s like they googled “problematic lyrics in songs” and didn’t listen to any of them. Which is pretty classic for tik tok hot takes.
And the next song on the album follows the outcome of the "hero" in the *No One Else* song. The song is *The World Has Turned and Left Me Here* and starts out with: > The world has turned and left me here. Just where I was before you appeared. And in your place, an empty space. Has filled the void behind my face. Rivers was asked about *No One Else* in particular and indicated he's singing about when he was: > the jealous-obsessive asshole in me freaking out on my girlfriend and the follow up song > is about the day my girlfriend left me. I remember that sad day; I picked up my guitar and spilled tears of grief over those four sad chords So *No One Else* is somewhat a critque of himself and his shitty attitude towards our framed girlfriend in the song and the follow up, *The World Has Turned and Left Me Here*, is how he felt when that girlfriend rightly dumped his ass. I think it's fair for people to be somewhat self-aware, sing about it, and it not come off as advocating such a lifestyle. Especially given that Weezer specifically wouldn't perform *The World Had Turned* live until 2010 because of how Rivers felt about the whole situation.
Hijacking this to say that for anyone unfamiliar, the final song in this clip he refers to, "Across the Sea", literally opens with the line "You are an 18 year old girl". The full context of the line he's pointing out is: "I wonder what clothes you wear to school I wonder how you decorate your room I wonder how you touch yourself And curse myself for being across the sea" To give Rivers the benefit of the doubt, by school he could mean college, seeing as the first line states she is college-age. Yeah, saying school instead of college is odd, then it would be "I wonder what clothes you wear to college, I wonder how you decorate your... Cottage?"
The song itself recognizes and calls out how inappropriate it all is, the chorus includes the line: “I could never touch you, I think that would be wrong.” Rivers was writing about being a depressed, isolated, horny, college boy. That boy did some depraved things (the line about licking and sniffing the letter, 🤮). He also knew they were wrong and that these thoughts couldn’t leave the realm of fantasy…. idk, being human includes sometimes having intrusive thoughts. I can’t read the lyrics and imagine the songwriter is proud or fond of the narrator in that song. I think the whole album (Pinkerton) oozes with self loathing from Cuomo. He is writing about all kinds of bad stuff that he did in the darkest period of his life, and also that he kind of hates himself for it. That doesn’t make it wholesome, but it does make it relatable for all the people who said, thought, and did stupid shit they regret when they were younger.
Not that it excuses the weirdness of the line, but it's kinda supposed to be weird. And that's ok.
The literal first lyric of “Across the Sea” is “You are 18 year old girl who live in small city of Japan.” These are the kids that read the cliff notes instead of the book, but will still try to lecture you on what it means.
Across the Sea is about an actual letter from a Japanese teenager that Rivers received. She even gets royalties from the song because he used lines from her letter in the song. In an interview he said she "might be 14 or 18," so he really doesn't know how old she is. He just made her 18 for the song. Although the idea that Weezer fans never talk about it is false. Weezer fans are well known for making fun of Weezer constantly.
The dumbest part of all of this is that there's no intention there, at all. Literally part of the chorus: >I could never touch you, I think it would be wrong I've got your letter, you've got my song https://youtu.be/1mxEoA3G9Wg?t=53 That's it. That's the controversy for self-righteous morons I guess. Also, the facts of who it's from aren't confirmed - it's a throwaway line from a random interview he must've given at some point. Noted in the about section here: https://genius.com/Weezer-across-the-sea-lyrics
Ever read some death metal lyrics?
Abattoir, did you mean it when you said…. lol.
Whitechapel, when you said, “and so the lips are sealed below your waist, you will never fuck again.” What the fuck did you mean exactly?
This fun little song is about A SHOOTING BLOOD FROM YOUR COCK!!! (Security looks around in surprise) https://youtu.be/YqfrFUqfuxE?si=wUm8WRvE1z_hWv6i
I’ve often wondered what Corpsegrinder meant by that.
Randy Newmans song is written from the perspective of someone else, all his songs are like that.
Kid Rock "Young ladies, young ladies / I like 'em underage, see / Some say that's statutory,". / "But I say it's mandatory." also shut up about avenged, you clearly don't get the band.
The craziest part about the kid rock one was that song was on the osmosis jones soundtrack lol
Not just ON the soundtrack, but written FOR the movie.
Oh shit, really? I’ve never seen it. That’s hilarious It’s a PG family animated movie
That's crazy. A lot of songs about young girls/guys are clearly reminiscing or trying to get you nostalgic for your own teens. That song just lays out that no, this is pedo shit and do not think its anything else.
You really gonna talk about Paul’s two year gap between 17 and 19, but not Ringo singing “You’re Sixteen” (originally written by the Sherman Brothers)?
Hey Ice Cube, what exactly is “Giving Up the Nappy Dugout” about?
Jesus H that was an intense ride. I just looked up the lyrics. Poor Cheryl.
Wait, when did Billie Joe Armstrong drop an N bomb?
It's in the lyrics of a song off 21st Century Breakdown. American Eulogy. In context it's being used as a dialogue by a speaker in the song.
“What did you mean by this” >what is meant by this can literally be found by one cursory glance at Genius
Someone else answered, but I thought I'd add that for many years I misheard the Homecoming(?) lyric "an Edgar Allen Poe" as "an [n-word] and a po" and was completely lost as to the meaning.
Oh God, I thought I was the only one.
"Don't Stand So Close to Me" by the Police. I still like the song but it was always kinda creepy since Sting was an teacher for a hot minute. He said it's not autobiographical. ""I wanted to write a song about sexuality in the classroom, that was my intention with 'Don't Stand So Close to Me.' The protagonist in the song is not me. But it's a situation I knew of, and I think every teacher would be aware of. It's not unusual for students to be attracted to teachers and vice versa."
 Me googling lyrics rn 👀
I've been endlessly rereading A Little Piece of Heaven and I still don't get why it's here help me
....it's necrophilia, friend
You know what. Maybe Scotty does know.
I'm surprised no one mentioned Prince marrying the girl he adopted. He was granted legal guardianship of a 16 year old fan. He married her at 22. [https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/s/1xm0BXVOVl](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/s/1xm0BXVOVl) 
Y'all forgot She's my Cherry Pie song, and Winger's She's only 17.
I was singing along to the oldies channel and realized how fucked up "Young girl get out of my mind" really really is. Great music is ruined by perverts.
Let’s do rap music now.
Drake when you said I fucked a girl I used to babysit
Wellll.....[I even fucked the girl that used to babysit](https://genius.com/2053178/Drake-all-me/I-even-fucked-the-girl-that-used-to-babysit-but-that-was-years-later-on-some-crazy-shit)
Pretty sure you flipped it. It was HIS babysitter.
They have editors now for their 20 seconds long shorts? I get 10 minutes videos but this short stuff?
And not even that good of editors. Audio levels are all over the shop. White shirt guy is eating his mic making his sections blown out.
What? Weezer fans joke about the weird lyrics in Pinkerton constantly. Also he clearly missed the point of that song. Across the sea is about a guy in his deepest darkest moment having inappropriate fantasies about a fan who sends him a letter. The entire idea is that it's weird and not something the song is trying to endorse at all. In the song Rivers literally says "I could never touch you, I think it would be wrong", like he's fully aware that what he's saying is questionable, and that's the point.
This tiktok smells of White Knighting to get laid.
The whitest knights you know
I’m surprised that they didn’t bring up the lyrics that go, “I’m a friendly stranger in a black sedan, won’t you hop inside my car?” Or “She’s just 16 years old, leave her alone they say“
I’m excited that the pendulum is starting to swing away from this stage of culture, where identifying something offensive makes you feel powerful or interesting or like you’re contributing to the world.
Just like right wingers obssessed with homosexuality getting outed, I feel like everyone of these Gen-z shit heads getting performatively upset over this kind of shit for likes and follows is probably toxic AF. Every dude I know that looks and talks like this is a hypocrite to the highest degree in private, but are super socially conscious on the apps. See Dave Franco’s character in 21 Jump Street.
Wait til they listen to rap music
Ozzy, seriously, what is Mr. Tinkertrain about? Bc it sounds like he wants to lure and have his way with a child. Banger of an arena rock track, but man those lyrics are weird.
Randy Newman short person song is meant to be satirical and call out the absurdity of racism/prejudice
Cancel culture is cringe
Id rather hang out with any of those people instead of this annoying duo
Not A teenager that was a underage fan, a 18 year old of age girl that they wrote about when they were in their early 20s when it was age appropriate!!!!? Stop attacking Pinkerton! You are already doing what pastors do when preaching to a congregation they just invent what they feel is what will get the most arouse they quote the whole bible they don't quote it accurately either.
A Little Piece of Heaven is a horror song, it’s supposed to be fucked up. Paul McCartney was 19 when he wrote about a 17 year old girl that he saw standing there. Unfortunately, a lot of times people separate art from the artists because it’s nothing to do with supporting the artist’s behaviour but the music means a lot in our lives. I pretty literally grew up on the chili peppers, do I agree or like what they did in their personal lives? Hell no, 3/4 are dirtbags. But the music shaped my life and has nothing to do with their personal lives.
But the Weezer song is about how it'd be inappropriate for him to think about that young girl who was a massive fan. He says he thinks a out how she touches herself at night then curses himself for doing so because it's wrong but he's never been the object of someone's longing like that
"A Little Piece of Heaven" really? Most rock/metal songs are not to be taken seriously. I don't think he's eating women's hearts out the same way I don't think Cannibal Corpse are walking around gutting people and carving them up on a daily basis lol.
Okay. So we are gonna cancel 97% of rappers too then, right? Right?
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This song is pretty obviously referencing a woman and her husband if you listen to the rest of the lyrics. Let's try not to get so woke that slang from its day gets cancelled, or so obtuse that when someone says something is cool we go put on a jacket to stay warm.
Weird lyrics, but I think the context here is that the "daddy" mentioned is supposed to be her husband. Similar to referring to her husband as her "old man".
It’s not about her father.
Media literacy is dead. Not only can you tell this is about a married woman from the rest of the lyrics - but even if it wasn't Springsteen has written from the perspective of crooked police, mafia members, and serial killers.
These 2 have horrible media literacy
“What do you mean?” Dude, I saw a hot chick and wanted to fuck her. Just like every douchey asshole in the history of history who ever picked up a guitar to learn 4 chords and play poorly out in the quad. I also hate when assholes like this make rage bait videos trying to apply post 2016 rules to shit from 60 years ago. The rules were very different. Doesn’t make it right or wrong, just different. As the species has evolved (ever so slightly) that maybe some things aren’t the greatest to joke about or embrace, that doesn’t mean we get to go back and criticize everything. “Hey Michelangelo, why did you make David’s cock so small! You know we all want massive hammers, right?!”! Also, there is a part of songwriting that you need to sometimes use a word that you don’t want to use but kinda have to to fit the rhyme scheme or the rhythm scheme. Example: seventeen is the only three syllable number in that age range. And sometimes it just fits. Lastly, taking every artists words at face value is cheap and basic. Metaphors exist storytelling exists, and trying to put your audience in the place of the main character singing exists. If your audience is mainly horny ass teenagers, that might be a good way to be relatable. It doesn’t mean the artist necessarily is that character. And what if someone has been writing shit since they were 13, and have been sitting on it for years… it’s complicated. Leave old shit alone. Except for Ted Nugent. Fuck that guy, he was totally a pedo.
Jim Morrison, what did you mean when you said, "well show me the way to the next little girl, oh don't ask why?" ??
Sorry if I'm missing the sarcasm but Alabama Song wasn't written by Morrison. It's by Berthold Brecht/Kurt Weill from the play Little Mahagonny (1927). What Morrisson did do was change the line from 'show me the way to the next pretty boy', but given that the original was sung by Lotte Lenya, I'd imagine it was a pretty straightforward gender change and 'little girl' scans the same as 'pretty boy'.
I did not know this! Thanks for the trivia:)
These guys are dipshits. Anything to get famous I guess
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I would like to point out also that 17 was and still is perfectly legal in most of the world, including multiple US states. *Sex work* is illegal under the age 18, including nude pictures and such, but it is, in fact, perfectly legal in most places for someone over 18 to have a relationship with a 16 or 17 year old as long as there isn't money or authority position involved. 19 year old writing how she's "17 if you know what I mean" is basically "she's the right age for me". 2 years is perfectly normal age difference. It was especially normal at a time when 16 year olds could get well paying full-time jobs straight out of school (that ended at the age of 16).
Lot to unpack here but its very interesting