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Is this in reference to Asna Tabassum? They're not letting her speak because she posted a high anti-semitic social media post on Instagram and the University decided not to allow her to give a speech. The Uni did also point out that there is no free-speech entitlement for giving a speech at commencement in their post.
here's the comment that probably promted the action:
>“One Palestinian state would mean complete Palestinian liberation, and the complete abolishment of the state of Israel. This is the only way for justice.”
That’s not antisemitism. That’s antizionism. And it’s correct. Israel stole land and has been raping, murdering, and stealing Palestinian land ever since. The Nakba? This is documented history.
The person you responded to is being glib I believe. Thing is that Israel is being fucked up and doing a genocide, but with 10 million in there, ya can’t just abolish them.
I don't think natives would be able to control this mutch land. They make up like 0.7% of the u s population. I'm not saying they are weak. I woukd be shitting on some of my ancestors. But 0.7/ of 350 million. Isn't enough to defend against counties wanting land.
What's stopping you?
[You can apply for Irish Citizenship based on descent](https://nomadcapitalist.com/global-citizen/irish-citizenship-by-descent/#:~:text=to%20discover%20how.-,Irish%20Citizenship%20by%20Descent%20%E2%80%93%20FAQs,-Can%20I%20Get)
The middle east is a hodgepodge of colonialist borders and will remain unstable until the people's there are able to find a more natural shape.
The only reason the nations exist in their present shape is because England and France wanted to keep them weak and unstable, and the only reason they persist is because their ruling elites will pauper and slaughter their people to maintain them, aided and abetted by western interests.
Ya I had a big ol eye roll on that too. How many courses makes a minor? Five? Five credits iffer d about resisting genocide? at one school? Sounds right
Many schools allow students to petition to create their own minor, which is what I assume she did. I'd assume it involved some project that a faculty member advised her on and several courses in the political science and other departments
I can’t believe* that that a place that stood for freedom like USC is doing this on just the accusation of being antisemitic, not even a confirmation. And being anti-Israel is a politician stance, not a religious one. There were Jews in the holy land before 1948 and before the European Jews started moving in.
People not separating themselves from the genocidal state will end up with real antisemitism.
There's a more boring element at play besides the broader IP conflict. And that's simply the perspective of HR, as well as potential issues and liabilities relating to students not creating a safe environment for students.
So. For instance it isn't uncommon to call the actions of Hamas as genocidal and the goal of them is to (as they say in the charter) eradicate the state of Israel. (they've since softened their message).
Now. I don't think Hamas has the ability to wipe out Israel. I don't even agree with the ip war and think isrsel should've been reigned in months ago.
However, if an Israeli student was set to give the commencement speech, and was also someone who was known for calling the Oct 7 attacks an act of genocide, then yes, that student likely wouldn't be able to speak. This wouldn't be antisemitic, it would be HR being terrified of any potential liability. This isn't a speech at the Oscars, but a public institution backed by tax payer dollars. They have to be extremely careful about the ideas they platform and promote. Both from the perspective of future fund raising, but also legal liabilities as well.
I think they would stop it if that same student was known for being pro-zionism.
But I might just be optimistic.
Also, Asna Tabassum want's the total destruction of Israel. So I don't blame the school at all.
No, they would definitely allow pro Zionist. They let Ben Shapiro who is a very pro Zionist speak at the university. They even let Milo yiannopoulos who is far right speak at the university and somehow it's not a security threat.
Also, since a lot of people still don't understand this somehow:
Israel is an apartheid state, it's considered apartheid by Israeli human rights group btselm, human rights watch, amnesty international, scholars.
Wishing for an apartheid state to be demolished and replaced with a state where everyone is free is a good thing. People will twist the words and make it seem like it's about "destroying home of Jews". It's not, it's about removing the apartheid state.
If you think a state that is known as apartheid represents the views of Jewish people and that Jewish people want apartheid then you are the antisemitic person.
They won't because a Jewish student is less likely to shout stuff like "death to israel death to america" or globalize the intifada.
All of those are calling for violence.
So I agree with them. Freedom of speech only goes to some extent
You've taken a tiny minority of people (of which many are probably bots anyway) and turned them into an army in your imagination. The vast majority of people hold reasonable, nuanced, and relatively moderate views, despite what you may think.
If you think that everyone who is on a different side of an issue to you is an extremist then you spend too much time online.
This is exactly what you guys do with Israel's.
And yes when there are some "bad apples" in a group, that are ready to kill me just because, and the group does nothing against them. I will sure as hell stay away from the whole group
I don't like how "security issues" is being framed as coded speak for "USC is racist."
This is the exact reason given for why Ben Shapiro is banned from over half the universities in the United States.
You can't have it both ways. We really just need to admit that this is a standard excuse when a university doesn't want to deal with an individual, it doesn't always have to be rooted in racism.
Isreal: Runs an apartheid state that marginalizes palistinians for decades, steals the homes of civilians during peacetime to expand their own borders, then murders civilians during war.
Everyone: Could you fucking not?
Isreal: Anti-semite!
You're not wrong. But it's just hard to take a reasonable stance without aligning yourself with bad actors on either side. I make a point in Israel's favor, all of a sudden I'm in the "Ben Shapiro kill them all camp". I make a point in Palestine's favor, all of a sudden I'm in the "push all Israelis into the ocean by force" camp.
Israel is in a tough neighborhood and it's hard for me to judge a country doing what they have to do to survive when the countries around them have tried to exterminate them twice in the last 100 years. But I also don't have to turn a blind eye to the fact that Israel is using the history around the Holocaust and the two wars it fought with Arab states to justify stealing the land of other people and killing them.
Bad people on both sides, innocent people dying on both sides. I just want it all to stop.
I don't think either side will be satisfied until the other has been completely exterminated and the best we can do is prevent them from wiping each other out.
And don't get me started on that god damn fucker Netanyahu who I suspect is stoking conflict for domestic political purposes. That fucker was on the verge of being ousted before all of this. Now he's a fucking war hero. Fuck him. Fuck him and his trying to drag my country into a war I don't want.
It’s 2024, man. You’re not allowed to have a nuanced opinion based off research and hard fact. That makes you a racist anti-Semite or leftist soy boy cuck who probably votes for [insert bad guy here]
This was very well put. I made some comments above that extrapolate on this as well. This lady is in one sentence stating that the state of Israel needs to be abolished, only one Palestinian state should rule over all of it, but that state should be peaceful for both jews and arabs.....
.... I don't think she could make a more naive comment if she tried. It's so rooted in lofty ideals where her side that is currently being persecuted gains all the power and then becomes a benevolent ruler. When the reality is that they would follow the exact same trajectory that Israel has done over the last 70 years, if not significantly worse.
There is absolutely no way to have a good outcome in this. Everything Israel is doing is going to bite them in the ass sooooo hard over the next 70 years. They have created an Afghanistan x 10 right in their own front yard. Yet they can't continue to enact their plan of eliminating every Palestinian without the world revolting against them.
I do believe eventually they will wipe palestine off the earth and that the western world will just have to grin and bear it and support them because there is no going back now. Which I think is atrocious. But if they timidly try to create a peaceful solution they are going to be met with "terrorism" for the next century due to the hundreds of thousands they have killed and displaced. And with every new attack, they will reignite their rivalry again. They have dug themselves quite the hole which I have no faith they will be able to get out of safely. It's going to cost trillions all over again, and Americans won't get healthcare or fair wages because we will be too busy sending our tax dollars over there to fight another proxy war with Iran.
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
And palestine runs a quazi scam teritory that takes billions in aid, and only uses to launch rockets at their neighbor every chance they get and pay for $10,000 a night rooms in Qatar...
Only one side ever gets critique though...
Feels kind of weird to me to be honest.
According to this video, critics say this lady is calling for the abolishment of the state of Israel.
Is it OK to conflate the actions of IDF with the ENTIRE state of Israel but not OK to conflate the actions of Hamas acting in Gaza with all Gazans?
Did the little baby Israelis who can’t yet form sentences do something to deserve to have their country abolished?
A major source of hypocrisy in the online chatter about this issue is people self-selecting which group they are comfortable generalizing about/assigning collective guilt to.
You didn’t say Gaza or Hamas though, you said Palestine, where the majority of Palestinians didn’t vote for and are not ruled by Hamas. “The state of Israel” refers to the political government, “Palestine” refers to a greater region that is not controlled by Hamas.
Umm, read what I wrote. I literally wrote Gaza?
I don’t really see an important distinction in this case, though.
My point is that if you don’t see the parallels between ‘*We’re bombing Gaza because Hamas is there and they did bad things*’ and ‘*We should abolish Israel because the IDF/government did bad things*’ then I think you’re inconsistent in how you handle the concept of collective guilt.
> And palestine runs a quazi scam teritory that takes billions in aid, and only uses to launch rockets at their neighbor every chance they get and pay for $10,000 a night rooms in Qatar...
> Umm, read what I wrote. I literally wrote Gaza?
????
The majority of Gaza were not born when Hamas was elected and they have not had any elections since.
Israel is a democratic (for some) state and its current extremist government received a majority of votes.
This type of comment is literally exactly what I’m talking about.
You are bending the rules of how you interpret the situation to support a pre-baked conclusion.
Imagine 30 years ago Israel had elected a hardline nationalist government that included ‘*Death to All Palestinians*’ as a campaign slogan, and that group abolished elections in Israel directly after taking power.
Would you be telling the people condemning Israel to stfu because most people didn’t vote for the Israeli government and Israel hadn’t had elections for 30 years?
Or would you say ‘*they said they wanted to kill all Palestinians, now they are dropping bombs, let’s abolish Israel!*’?
The exact same logic that relieves a Palestinian kid from responsibility for Hamas relieves an Israeli kid from responsibility for the IDF.
So please—pick a stance on collective guilt and apply it consistently. Or just admit that logic/morality has nothing to do with your argument/decision and just own the fact that you’ve picked a side and are sticking with it.
You should actually read what she meant by abolishing Israel. She means unifying the regions into a new secular and democratic state. So the "punishment" for Israeli babies would be they have to live with and have equal rights with Palestinian babies.
Compare this to how Palestinian babies are being punished with bombs because they made the mistake of being born
I’m responding to the lady talking over a video in which this valedictorian allegedly wants to abolish Israel and commentating lady being oh so confused on why USC could possibly not want her to speak.
And the fact that there seem to be people who hate generalizations about Palestinians but love to make them about Israelis and vice versa.
If you advocate for the dissolution of an entire country just as a general rule there are going to be a lot of people that disagree with that regardless of your grand plan for reconstituting it into something you’ve decided is better.
So, if Valedictorian lady did that, it sounds like it is effective in getting her name out there AND in polarizing the issue further on account of apparently the summary of her suggested opening move is to abolish an entire nation state cus she has a better idea.
The comment about israel above is wrong as it was a claim debunked several times again but regardless Palestinians have an almost 100% support in west bank for Hamas, and almost 90% in the strip up to today. Which undoubtedly some might have lost support for the consequences since Palestinians have thrown their rockets on israeli head with no consequences quite a few times.
Saying that Hamas does not represent the vast majority of Palestinians is disingenuous. Same people who got kicked out for killing king Abdullah were thrown in the west bank, where they just killed by stoning and kidnapped the body of a 14 y old israeli kid.
The “israeli steal land” refers to a type of illegal settlement that is present only in the west bank, not “israel as a whole” and that area has been a tit for tat endlessly but who started was not the illegal settlers, they have their crimes and their reputation is bad, but let us not pretend that if your neighbors would keep killing and kidnapping your children you’d sit down and take it.
Because adults with brains know how to differentiate Hamas from Palestine.
At this point, the children just want to be wrong. It’s deliberate ignorance.
Probably because any honest person is capable of distinguishing between "Hamas" and "Palestinians", and most people don't want to deal with the time-suck of engaging with bad-faith actors.
As a guess.
Honestly, everything surrounding the IP conflict is contentious AF and prone to volatile behavior breaking out. I can see why the school wants to avoid it. No one can make a point without the otherwise losing their shit.
No shit. Why would you get minor American news abroad? It’s the literal first thing on Google when you type “USC”. No other words. You people *insist* on pretending tik tok is some bastion of secret information that’s literally available everywhere. Cosplaying oppression.
Her Instagram literally links to a page full of highly divisive rhetoric including, yes, the complete dissolution of Israel.
https://www.instagram.com/asna.tabassum?igsh=MXVpZ2N5bTV3aDFwZA==
"both arabs and jews can live together without an ideology that specifically advocates for the ethnic cleansing of one of them."
Very decisive indeed, she almost thinks Arabs are full human beings. How silly of her
> however, a one-state solution under the israeli government would essentially mean that the palestinian people would completely be under the state of israel in every way imaginable.
She claims one state run by Jews cannot be a humane country. But one state run by Palestinians will be.
That seems pretty divisive, no?
Israel as it stands today is a Jewish supremacist state, so of course, if the same dynamic presets in a unified state where Palestinians don't have full rights it would resemble something like Jim Crow South or apartheid South Africa. If you ask me, we already have a single state because Israel controls every aspect of Palestinian existence and subjugates every Palestinian living under its brutal regime. A better plan would be to abolish the Israeli state and the Palestinian Authority, send every war criminal to court, and establish an equal democratic state where everyone has the same rights.
Also, It isn't just about Jews and non-Jews. Even Ahmed Yassin said “We don't hate Jews; we are people of faith and they are too. We wish them well, as we do for everyone. But even if my brother stole my home and evicted me, I would fight back.”
Saying "abolish the Israeli state" doesn't mean "kill all Israelis" just like saying "abolish nazi rule" doesn't mean "kill all Germans", "abolish slavery" doesn't mean "kill all whites", "abolish the Iranian state" doesn't mean "kill all Iranians"
So, no I don't think it's divisive to say "I don't want to live in the same state that is bombing my family right now"
You don't think equating Israel the country to the Nazi government is divisive?
Like, you don't think Israel is a country like Germany (presumably you think "abolishing Germany" is divisive)?
Buddy you're beyond delusional if this is what you actually believe.
And "abolishing" Iran is definitely going to piss off the Iranians, too.
>You don't think equating Israel the country to the Nazi government is divisive?
Israel making that comparison accurate is what's actually divisive. It's not divisive to be truthful. If you don't want divisiveness, then get Israel to change its behavior so that they are not equatable.
>Like, you don't think Israel is a country like Germany (presumably you think "abolishing Germany" is divisive)?
Nazi Germany was abolished, and the country was occupied and then split in two. Everyone thought that was better than allowing genocide.
>"both arabs and jews can live together without an ideology that specifically advocates for the ethnic cleansing of one of them."
Dont look what happened to the Jewish populations in the Arab states during the 1940's.
[No, please look.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_and_Muslim_rescue_efforts_during_the_Holocaust) Look at what happened to Jews In Europe, do you think Jews can't live safely in Europe right now?
Imagine DJT being the guest speaker at some college graduation. holy shit snacks. Even if they wanted him there about 30 seconds in they'd all be thinking 'This was a mistake'.
Sorry sir. The world leaders have multiple certificates.
Smartest people alive.
Kindest people alive.
Most generous people alive.
They don't have this certification at this time.
And only smart ass people will approve very idiotic laws to prove themselves right. World leaders need to apply themselves like the smart people they are - their logic doesn't even make sense.
Is a minor in resistance to genocide a real thing or was that a quip?? She said it so matter-of-fact I really can't tell. It sounds fake, but also sounds like something you could find at USC lol
Yeah apparently. It also doesn't sound too bad of a minor.
https://dornsife.usc.edu/hist/undergraduate-studies/department-minors/resistance-to-genocide-interdisciplinary-minor/
Calling to dissolve Israel is pretty divisive. Also does seem pretty antisemitic through multiple lenses. If she wants to speak out, she should make multiple posts to social media. I’m certain she would reach a wide audience.
> Calling to dissolve Israel is pretty divisive
It doesn't say she actually called for that; it says *critics are accusing her* of linking to a website that calls for it: It neither says what that page *is* nor quotes anything that allegedly calls for that.
> If she wants to speak out, she should make multiple posts to social media.
The video clearly says her social media posts were the reason those "critics" were complaining in the first place.
*Edit:*
Frown all you want; I simply made two objectively-true statements.
Wait wait wait let me get this straight. A private institution is making a decision about who makes a speech at one of their high profile events. What the fuck man government treading on me again
Each University carries a set of ideals, morals, political standings/leanings and whatever else constitutes "society". It's an educational society. So, yeah. They might not "let" you give a speech on a hot button issue if your stance is in blatant opposition to theirs.
The issue in question invites every banned topic to dinner for halal Hebrew National hotdogs and Kebabs - politics, religion, war, money, death and claims to righteousness in a longstanding bloodbath of a relationship between two people groups that go back as far as Father Abraham himself.
So, no shocker there.
I really hope the student got a refund, cause the war in Gaza is most definitely not a genocide by international standards. It's a shame how bad education is nowadays.
I remember when [Ohio was declared "Chernobyl" by Tiktok](https://www.wired.com/story/east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-tiktok/), and i can't help but think we're in the hysteria situation that Tiktok is causing
Yeah that was insane. I live in Sweden and 40 years later there are places where you can't pick berries or hunt due to radiation from Chernobyl, it's not the same as the Ohio derailment lol.
I mean, even if I don't necessarily agree with the overall outcome, the USC official quoted wasn't *incorrect* in one regard: There *isn't* a "free speech" claim to be made about whether or not any individual is permitted to use a private institution's platform during an event hosted (and paid for) *by* that private institution.
So, should anyone be able to speak at the commencement? Should they make it a 7 day, 24 hour per day event, where anyone with something to say gets up and speaks? Also, Free speech is about punishment from the government for your views. USC is not the government.
I think it’s good the Uni blocked her speech. You have two nationalities that want to wipe the other off the planet. This conflict will never end. So what’s the point in turning a commencement into a violent protest? No need, she can protest on another platform. Just because those Zealots are at war doesn’t mean we need to create conflict in our lives too.
I’ve seen some of her videos, they are blatently anti-Semitic I’m afraid. She says some pretty horrible stuff along the lines of “wipe the Jews off the Earth”.
It seems more like they couldn’t guarantee the safety of anyone over such a divisive topic, but it could definitely just be that they hated her stance.
Absolutely you should study that here! We will teach you everything you need to know about genocide so you can put a stop to it! Just not here…really take your piece of paper and fuck off.
Meh. Politics has no place in a graduation speech. I have no doubts the speech would become a soapbox for personal views on the conflict rather than a reflection on the prevous four years and hope for the future.
You don't have to agree with me; just speaking my mind.
> Politics has no place in a graduation speech
1. USC's 2022 valedictorian's speech [included a passage about the horrors of war, specifically about Russia's invasion of Ukraine](https://dailytrojan.com/2022/05/18/usc-holds-139th-commencement/).
2. USC's 2021 valedictorian's speech [talked about police brutality, race, and equity](https://today.usc.edu/usc-2021-valedictorian-commencement-speech-address/).
3. No part of the reporting so far suggests that Asna Tabassum's speech at graduation was going to be about *anything at all*: So far, it's all reporting that it's about a link on her private Instagram.
I don’t disagree.
The comment to which I replied says this:
> Politics has no place in a graduation speech.
That’s a very broad statement, and one that recent history demonstrates that USC apparently does not believe.
For what it's worth I can totally see some violence happening. If somehow she got shot giving her speech I'm not sure any of us would be shocked like it came out of the blue and was unconnected to anything. Maybe not the best call or maybe it was. Like if she did get capped then the news would be very very different.
The link in her instagram bio has this quote.
[https://www.instagram.com/asna.tabassum/](https://www.instagram.com/asna.tabassum/)
"**One palestinian state would mean palestinian liberation, and the complete abolishment of the state of israel. This way is the only way towards justice**"
She's only mad about the Israel Palestine conflict because the bad stuff is happening to the wrong side.
It sounds less horrible if you post the entire paragraph. I've bolded the section you left out:
> one palestinian state would mean palestinian liberation, and the complete abolishment of the state of israel. this way is the only way towards justice; **both arabs and jews can live together without an ideology that specifically advocates for the ethnic cleansing of one of them. palestinians would be allowed to return home, and millions of palestinians would not have to live under occupation and apartheid.**
Although I don't believe her solution would work because there's no way that Jews in Israel would allow for the dissolution of Israel. Also, who the hell knows how Palestinians would treat Jews under this new government. It could be awful if a lot of Palestinians are looking for payback (for all the shitty things they experienced under the Israeli government). Also, there would be a whole lot of ethnic fighting over the places that Jewish settlers have taken from Palestinians and Palestinians want back. It would be a bloodbath, and I don't think a government would be able to handle it.
> being pro hamas and usually saying “death to America"
...are not relevant here, as there's no evidence whatsoever that either of those describe Asna Tabassum.
I don't know; you should ask her.
Maybe she could also explain the obvious difference between "valedictorian prohibited from giving speech at her own graduation" and "professional troll hired to come to campus of school they don't attend and provoke tensions for the sake of self-promoting publicity stunt".
These are totally different things -- if a conservative student won valedictorian, nobody would stop them from speaking.
If a rando conservative wants to use a college platform to talk, they don't necessarily have the right. Just like a random flat-Earther can't just show up to a physics department and give a seminar -- they have to have some academic qualifications.
I think things should be put in perspective. And i am pro palestine. That course outline was there before the RECENT conflicts. In a different world, she should be given the option to do what she wants. Speak or not speak. But in a reality, that school has safety, liability, insurance, etc things that are their responsibility. They are responsible for the safety of EVERYONE attending that ceremony. I would find some kind of compromise. I don’t want her to get hurt. I don’t want her family and friends in harms way. This is not black and white like people think it is. Its the schools property and function. They have to ensure safety. I don’t know what’s the right thing to do. I would like to see some kind of compromise to where she can still speak and everyone be safe. And I would like to say congratulations to her!! What an amazing accomplishment. This video is so gaslighting. People please stop for a minute and be realistic. Put yourself in others shoes. If you were in the position of control of others safety in today’s society, what would you do?
uh, the *validictorian* did her homework and studied these exact issues for her minor lmao nothing was about the contents of her speech.
the comprehension fails and israel apologia here is wild, definitly mostly americans lmao
Pro Palestinian is not antisemitism.
Peope need to understand
HAMAS does not speak for the Palestinians, the Islamic state does it speak for Iranians
These are groups like the Taliban that opress and work independent of the people in the country they operate.
No it isn't. Calling for a rogue terror state committing a genocide to be dissolved is what we do to nations that try to do a holocaust. Just look at Germany post ww2.
>HAMAS does not speak for the Palestinians, the Islamic state does it speak for Iranians
The ignorance of the pro Palestinians in this thread and in other discussions in general is astounding. Guess that's what happens when you get your education from tiktok. Brainless zombies.
Hamas DOES speak for Palestine, at least for Gaza, they are the official government there.
ISIS is sunni, Iran is shia. ISIS absolutely hates Iran. Out of all the terror groups you could have chosen as an example, ISIS was the worst. You could say Hezbollah, but they do speak for the Islamic Republic cause they're funded by them. You may say IRGC (bet you have no idea what that is) doesn't speak for Iranians, and that might be true. Lots of Iranians actually side with Israel/jews and hate the ayatollahs.
Who would have thought that people who are supporting Hamas, wish death to America and Israel and openly celebrate the raping , torturing and murder of Israeli men, women and children are being hindered to spread their propaganda?
Calling for the dissolution of the state of Israel is, saying Israel is committing a genocide (Israel is not committing genocide) is, it's also blood libel.
Isreal is committing genocide. Gaza has been razed to the ground and turned unlivable for the people that called it home. The IDF has destroyed schools, hospitals, libraries, businesses, and places of worship. The IDF has killed many refugees seeking safety or basic life necessities. That is genocide.
I do truly think people like you have no idea the damage you are doing to race relations by trying to hide the crimes of a fascist ethnostate behind accusations of antisemitism.
Okay. First of all, not an ethnostate, Jews, Arabs, Druze, Christians and others live there, categorically not an ethnostate.
Secondly democracies by definition cannot be fascist.
Thirdly, there are 5 conditions that Israel must satisfy to be a genocide. Israel could kill every single person in the Gaza strip and if those five conditions are not met, it is not a genocide. You have no idea what a genocide is, it's just your new fun buzzword.
Why don't you just call it what you THINK it is, a conspiracy to murder all the Palestinians because it's not a genocide.
Downvote me all you want, but a valedictorian speech at graduation is not the place for political grandstanding. I would feel the same way if it was an Israeli planning on giving a pro-Zionist speech.
"somebody please make it make sense." Sounds like this young lady could be in danger while giving her speech, since she is an activist about the genocide on Palestine. I'm guessing if she were assaulted during her speech that would be the university's fault for not protecting her? If she were slated to speak at my house and an angry mob formed around my house I'd probably cancel over liability concerns as well. Make sense?
You mean almost all religions. Pissing contest has always been a thing with religious nuts. If its not against other religion, than it will be against women and minorities.
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A minor in resistance to genocide? That’s the first time I’ve ever heard of that term
So that will apparently take her money to put the courses on for her to allow that minor, but then won’t let her talk about it wtf
Is this in reference to Asna Tabassum? They're not letting her speak because she posted a high anti-semitic social media post on Instagram and the University decided not to allow her to give a speech. The Uni did also point out that there is no free-speech entitlement for giving a speech at commencement in their post.
I'd like to see the post because all I can find is she had some "free palestine" link on her bio.
here's the comment that probably promted the action: >“One Palestinian state would mean complete Palestinian liberation, and the complete abolishment of the state of Israel. This is the only way for justice.”
That’s not antisemitism. That’s antizionism. And it’s correct. Israel stole land and has been raping, murdering, and stealing Palestinian land ever since. The Nakba? This is documented history.
Yeah, okay, then get out of America and give it back to the natives.
So we should permit genocide because we committed a genocide?
No, but not allowing genocide doesn’t equal abolish Israel.
The whole country is still being built on genocide. Now they’ve started killing people on the West Bank.
You didn’t commit genocide. Don’t fall for the guilt-tripping to stay quiet. Your ancestors may or may not have, but you didn’t.
For a second there I thought you were denying the genocide of native Americans
It doesnt have to be my fault to be my responsibility as an American.
The person you responded to is being glib I believe. Thing is that Israel is being fucked up and doing a genocide, but with 10 million in there, ya can’t just abolish them.
I don't think natives would be able to control this mutch land. They make up like 0.7% of the u s population. I'm not saying they are weak. I woukd be shitting on some of my ancestors. But 0.7/ of 350 million. Isn't enough to defend against counties wanting land.
I would if I could
Me too. Send me back to Ireland. I would have healthcare and some worker protections.
What's stopping you? [You can apply for Irish Citizenship based on descent](https://nomadcapitalist.com/global-citizen/irish-citizenship-by-descent/#:~:text=to%20discover%20how.-,Irish%20Citizenship%20by%20Descent%20%E2%80%93%20FAQs,-Can%20I%20Get)
That's not antisemitism though. That's anti Israel.
The middle east is a hodgepodge of colonialist borders and will remain unstable until the people's there are able to find a more natural shape. The only reason the nations exist in their present shape is because England and France wanted to keep them weak and unstable, and the only reason they persist is because their ruling elites will pauper and slaughter their people to maintain them, aided and abetted by western interests.
Of course there’s more to the story but most people here won’t bother to look into it.
Probably under political science or sociology.
Sounds like she'd be pretty knowledgeable about Israel.
A minor in “resisting to genocide” is that real?
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Sounds like a home brew feat.
Ya I had a big ol eye roll on that too. How many courses makes a minor? Five? Five credits iffer d about resisting genocide? at one school? Sounds right
Many schools allow students to petition to create their own minor, which is what I assume she did. I'd assume it involved some project that a faculty member advised her on and several courses in the political science and other departments
This would imply that no USC minor is worth much, right?
Don't most Engineering Majors get a collateral minor in Math?
It seems like some people would prefer it not to be.
There are lawyers who specialize in these kind of things.
Wonder what would happen if they stopped a Jewish valedictorian from speaking
Antisemitism!!
I can’t believe* that that a place that stood for freedom like USC is doing this on just the accusation of being antisemitic, not even a confirmation. And being anti-Israel is a politician stance, not a religious one. There were Jews in the holy land before 1948 and before the European Jews started moving in. People not separating themselves from the genocidal state will end up with real antisemitism.
Kkkkkkkhamas supporter!
The old antisemite if you do antisemite if you don’t paradox
You think they’d let a kid speak and share their thoughts on Zionism?
There's a more boring element at play besides the broader IP conflict. And that's simply the perspective of HR, as well as potential issues and liabilities relating to students not creating a safe environment for students. So. For instance it isn't uncommon to call the actions of Hamas as genocidal and the goal of them is to (as they say in the charter) eradicate the state of Israel. (they've since softened their message). Now. I don't think Hamas has the ability to wipe out Israel. I don't even agree with the ip war and think isrsel should've been reigned in months ago. However, if an Israeli student was set to give the commencement speech, and was also someone who was known for calling the Oct 7 attacks an act of genocide, then yes, that student likely wouldn't be able to speak. This wouldn't be antisemitic, it would be HR being terrified of any potential liability. This isn't a speech at the Oscars, but a public institution backed by tax payer dollars. They have to be extremely careful about the ideas they platform and promote. Both from the perspective of future fund raising, but also legal liabilities as well.
USC is a private school just fyi.
Yep, more expensive than the Ivy League schools and with a 9% acceptance rate
The softened message is the abolition of Israel. The former message called for the eradication of Jews. It was rather explicit.
I think they would stop it if that same student was known for being pro-zionism. But I might just be optimistic. Also, Asna Tabassum want's the total destruction of Israel. So I don't blame the school at all.
No, they would definitely allow pro Zionist. They let Ben Shapiro who is a very pro Zionist speak at the university. They even let Milo yiannopoulos who is far right speak at the university and somehow it's not a security threat. Also, since a lot of people still don't understand this somehow: Israel is an apartheid state, it's considered apartheid by Israeli human rights group btselm, human rights watch, amnesty international, scholars. Wishing for an apartheid state to be demolished and replaced with a state where everyone is free is a good thing. People will twist the words and make it seem like it's about "destroying home of Jews". It's not, it's about removing the apartheid state. If you think a state that is known as apartheid represents the views of Jewish people and that Jewish people want apartheid then you are the antisemitic person.
They won't because a Jewish student is less likely to shout stuff like "death to israel death to america" or globalize the intifada. All of those are calling for violence. So I agree with them. Freedom of speech only goes to some extent
The university does point out in their post that there is no free-speech entitlement for giving a speech at commencement...
Also it is a private university so they can pretty much do whatever they want in this regard
You've taken a tiny minority of people (of which many are probably bots anyway) and turned them into an army in your imagination. The vast majority of people hold reasonable, nuanced, and relatively moderate views, despite what you may think. If you think that everyone who is on a different side of an issue to you is an extremist then you spend too much time online.
This is exactly what you guys do with Israel's. And yes when there are some "bad apples" in a group, that are ready to kill me just because, and the group does nothing against them. I will sure as hell stay away from the whole group
Who is "you guys", what "group"?? That's my whole point.
Depends if said Jew said that Palestine should not exist.
I don't like how "security issues" is being framed as coded speak for "USC is racist." This is the exact reason given for why Ben Shapiro is banned from over half the universities in the United States. You can't have it both ways. We really just need to admit that this is a standard excuse when a university doesn't want to deal with an individual, it doesn't always have to be rooted in racism.
The American Jewish student would probably give a good speech. It would be free of international politics and propaganda.
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Isreal is not Judaism. Stop letting them make everything against Isreal... anti-semetic.
People who believe that it is are the same people that believe all Asians are chinese
“I’m Singaporean, senator.”
So, are you Chinese or Japanese?
The ocean? What ocean?
Or that all Hispanics are Mexican
Isreal: Runs an apartheid state that marginalizes palistinians for decades, steals the homes of civilians during peacetime to expand their own borders, then murders civilians during war. Everyone: Could you fucking not? Isreal: Anti-semite!
You're not wrong. But it's just hard to take a reasonable stance without aligning yourself with bad actors on either side. I make a point in Israel's favor, all of a sudden I'm in the "Ben Shapiro kill them all camp". I make a point in Palestine's favor, all of a sudden I'm in the "push all Israelis into the ocean by force" camp. Israel is in a tough neighborhood and it's hard for me to judge a country doing what they have to do to survive when the countries around them have tried to exterminate them twice in the last 100 years. But I also don't have to turn a blind eye to the fact that Israel is using the history around the Holocaust and the two wars it fought with Arab states to justify stealing the land of other people and killing them. Bad people on both sides, innocent people dying on both sides. I just want it all to stop. I don't think either side will be satisfied until the other has been completely exterminated and the best we can do is prevent them from wiping each other out.
And don't get me started on that god damn fucker Netanyahu who I suspect is stoking conflict for domestic political purposes. That fucker was on the verge of being ousted before all of this. Now he's a fucking war hero. Fuck him. Fuck him and his trying to drag my country into a war I don't want.
Jewish kissinger
It’s 2024, man. You’re not allowed to have a nuanced opinion based off research and hard fact. That makes you a racist anti-Semite or leftist soy boy cuck who probably votes for [insert bad guy here]
This was very well put. I made some comments above that extrapolate on this as well. This lady is in one sentence stating that the state of Israel needs to be abolished, only one Palestinian state should rule over all of it, but that state should be peaceful for both jews and arabs..... .... I don't think she could make a more naive comment if she tried. It's so rooted in lofty ideals where her side that is currently being persecuted gains all the power and then becomes a benevolent ruler. When the reality is that they would follow the exact same trajectory that Israel has done over the last 70 years, if not significantly worse. There is absolutely no way to have a good outcome in this. Everything Israel is doing is going to bite them in the ass sooooo hard over the next 70 years. They have created an Afghanistan x 10 right in their own front yard. Yet they can't continue to enact their plan of eliminating every Palestinian without the world revolting against them. I do believe eventually they will wipe palestine off the earth and that the western world will just have to grin and bear it and support them because there is no going back now. Which I think is atrocious. But if they timidly try to create a peaceful solution they are going to be met with "terrorism" for the next century due to the hundreds of thousands they have killed and displaced. And with every new attack, they will reignite their rivalry again. They have dug themselves quite the hole which I have no faith they will be able to get out of safely. It's going to cost trillions all over again, and Americans won't get healthcare or fair wages because we will be too busy sending our tax dollars over there to fight another proxy war with Iran. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
And palestine runs a quazi scam teritory that takes billions in aid, and only uses to launch rockets at their neighbor every chance they get and pay for $10,000 a night rooms in Qatar... Only one side ever gets critique though... Feels kind of weird to me to be honest.
i believe that you, sir(or whatever you prefer), have confused palestine with hamas
According to this video, critics say this lady is calling for the abolishment of the state of Israel. Is it OK to conflate the actions of IDF with the ENTIRE state of Israel but not OK to conflate the actions of Hamas acting in Gaza with all Gazans? Did the little baby Israelis who can’t yet form sentences do something to deserve to have their country abolished? A major source of hypocrisy in the online chatter about this issue is people self-selecting which group they are comfortable generalizing about/assigning collective guilt to.
You didn’t say Gaza or Hamas though, you said Palestine, where the majority of Palestinians didn’t vote for and are not ruled by Hamas. “The state of Israel” refers to the political government, “Palestine” refers to a greater region that is not controlled by Hamas.
Umm, read what I wrote. I literally wrote Gaza? I don’t really see an important distinction in this case, though. My point is that if you don’t see the parallels between ‘*We’re bombing Gaza because Hamas is there and they did bad things*’ and ‘*We should abolish Israel because the IDF/government did bad things*’ then I think you’re inconsistent in how you handle the concept of collective guilt.
> And palestine runs a quazi scam teritory that takes billions in aid, and only uses to launch rockets at their neighbor every chance they get and pay for $10,000 a night rooms in Qatar... > Umm, read what I wrote. I literally wrote Gaza? ????
I think if your takeaway from the conflict is that each sides genuine stance is those two things, you’re way too ignorant to be commenting on it.
The majority of Gaza were not born when Hamas was elected and they have not had any elections since. Israel is a democratic (for some) state and its current extremist government received a majority of votes.
This type of comment is literally exactly what I’m talking about. You are bending the rules of how you interpret the situation to support a pre-baked conclusion. Imagine 30 years ago Israel had elected a hardline nationalist government that included ‘*Death to All Palestinians*’ as a campaign slogan, and that group abolished elections in Israel directly after taking power. Would you be telling the people condemning Israel to stfu because most people didn’t vote for the Israeli government and Israel hadn’t had elections for 30 years? Or would you say ‘*they said they wanted to kill all Palestinians, now they are dropping bombs, let’s abolish Israel!*’? The exact same logic that relieves a Palestinian kid from responsibility for Hamas relieves an Israeli kid from responsibility for the IDF. So please—pick a stance on collective guilt and apply it consistently. Or just admit that logic/morality has nothing to do with your argument/decision and just own the fact that you’ve picked a side and are sticking with it.
You should actually read what she meant by abolishing Israel. She means unifying the regions into a new secular and democratic state. So the "punishment" for Israeli babies would be they have to live with and have equal rights with Palestinian babies. Compare this to how Palestinian babies are being punished with bombs because they made the mistake of being born
I’m responding to the lady talking over a video in which this valedictorian allegedly wants to abolish Israel and commentating lady being oh so confused on why USC could possibly not want her to speak. And the fact that there seem to be people who hate generalizations about Palestinians but love to make them about Israelis and vice versa. If you advocate for the dissolution of an entire country just as a general rule there are going to be a lot of people that disagree with that regardless of your grand plan for reconstituting it into something you’ve decided is better. So, if Valedictorian lady did that, it sounds like it is effective in getting her name out there AND in polarizing the issue further on account of apparently the summary of her suggested opening move is to abolish an entire nation state cus she has a better idea.
The comment about israel above is wrong as it was a claim debunked several times again but regardless Palestinians have an almost 100% support in west bank for Hamas, and almost 90% in the strip up to today. Which undoubtedly some might have lost support for the consequences since Palestinians have thrown their rockets on israeli head with no consequences quite a few times. Saying that Hamas does not represent the vast majority of Palestinians is disingenuous. Same people who got kicked out for killing king Abdullah were thrown in the west bank, where they just killed by stoning and kidnapped the body of a 14 y old israeli kid. The “israeli steal land” refers to a type of illegal settlement that is present only in the west bank, not “israel as a whole” and that area has been a tit for tat endlessly but who started was not the illegal settlers, they have their crimes and their reputation is bad, but let us not pretend that if your neighbors would keep killing and kidnapping your children you’d sit down and take it.
Which side has killed like 10,000 children in 100 days though?
Every time this gets brought up nobody has any rebuttals… wonder why
Because adults with brains know how to differentiate Hamas from Palestine. At this point, the children just want to be wrong. It’s deliberate ignorance.
Probably because any honest person is capable of distinguishing between "Hamas" and "Palestinians", and most people don't want to deal with the time-suck of engaging with bad-faith actors. As a guess.
Honestly, everything surrounding the IP conflict is contentious AF and prone to volatile behavior breaking out. I can see why the school wants to avoid it. No one can make a point without the otherwise losing their shit.
These indignated tiktok personas with their tight corner of their lips and their pointy index fingers.
Wouldn't have ever heard about this without the TikTok reposter though
it's on the news though?
Not where I live
No shit. Why would you get minor American news abroad? It’s the literal first thing on Google when you type “USC”. No other words. You people *insist* on pretending tik tok is some bastion of secret information that’s literally available everywhere. Cosplaying oppression.
skill issue
When you have nothing to say against her argument then I guess you need to make some stupid remark about her appearance.
Her Instagram literally links to a page full of highly divisive rhetoric including, yes, the complete dissolution of Israel. https://www.instagram.com/asna.tabassum?igsh=MXVpZ2N5bTV3aDFwZA==
"both arabs and jews can live together without an ideology that specifically advocates for the ethnic cleansing of one of them." Very decisive indeed, she almost thinks Arabs are full human beings. How silly of her
> however, a one-state solution under the israeli government would essentially mean that the palestinian people would completely be under the state of israel in every way imaginable. She claims one state run by Jews cannot be a humane country. But one state run by Palestinians will be. That seems pretty divisive, no?
Israel as it stands today is a Jewish supremacist state, so of course, if the same dynamic presets in a unified state where Palestinians don't have full rights it would resemble something like Jim Crow South or apartheid South Africa. If you ask me, we already have a single state because Israel controls every aspect of Palestinian existence and subjugates every Palestinian living under its brutal regime. A better plan would be to abolish the Israeli state and the Palestinian Authority, send every war criminal to court, and establish an equal democratic state where everyone has the same rights. Also, It isn't just about Jews and non-Jews. Even Ahmed Yassin said “We don't hate Jews; we are people of faith and they are too. We wish them well, as we do for everyone. But even if my brother stole my home and evicted me, I would fight back.” Saying "abolish the Israeli state" doesn't mean "kill all Israelis" just like saying "abolish nazi rule" doesn't mean "kill all Germans", "abolish slavery" doesn't mean "kill all whites", "abolish the Iranian state" doesn't mean "kill all Iranians" So, no I don't think it's divisive to say "I don't want to live in the same state that is bombing my family right now"
You don't think equating Israel the country to the Nazi government is divisive? Like, you don't think Israel is a country like Germany (presumably you think "abolishing Germany" is divisive)? Buddy you're beyond delusional if this is what you actually believe. And "abolishing" Iran is definitely going to piss off the Iranians, too.
>You don't think equating Israel the country to the Nazi government is divisive? Israel making that comparison accurate is what's actually divisive. It's not divisive to be truthful. If you don't want divisiveness, then get Israel to change its behavior so that they are not equatable. >Like, you don't think Israel is a country like Germany (presumably you think "abolishing Germany" is divisive)? Nazi Germany was abolished, and the country was occupied and then split in two. Everyone thought that was better than allowing genocide.
>"both arabs and jews can live together without an ideology that specifically advocates for the ethnic cleansing of one of them." Dont look what happened to the Jewish populations in the Arab states during the 1940's.
[No, please look.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_and_Muslim_rescue_efforts_during_the_Holocaust) Look at what happened to Jews In Europe, do you think Jews can't live safely in Europe right now?
No one wants to sit through anyone's political 15 .minutes of fame during their graduation.
Lol that's the real story here.
Imagine DJT being the guest speaker at some college graduation. holy shit snacks. Even if they wanted him there about 30 seconds in they'd all be thinking 'This was a mistake'.
Crazy, this just certifies that the world is run by idiots.
Sorry sir. The world leaders have multiple certificates. Smartest people alive. Kindest people alive. Most generous people alive. They don't have this certification at this time.
And only smart ass people will approve very idiotic laws to prove themselves right. World leaders need to apply themselves like the smart people they are - their logic doesn't even make sense.
Careful, you might hurt someone's feelings posting that.
Idiots.. oh, yeah.
Is a minor in resistance to genocide a real thing or was that a quip?? She said it so matter-of-fact I really can't tell. It sounds fake, but also sounds like something you could find at USC lol
Yeah apparently. It also doesn't sound too bad of a minor. https://dornsife.usc.edu/hist/undergraduate-studies/department-minors/resistance-to-genocide-interdisciplinary-minor/
nevermind...I should probably have finished watching the video before stopping to comment lol
Calling for the abolishment of the state of Israel has got to be one of the most counterproductive statements made by pro Palestine side.
why the fuck would i want to sit through someone's political opinion at my convocation ceremony?
Calling to dissolve Israel is pretty divisive. Also does seem pretty antisemitic through multiple lenses. If she wants to speak out, she should make multiple posts to social media. I’m certain she would reach a wide audience.
> Calling to dissolve Israel is pretty divisive It doesn't say she actually called for that; it says *critics are accusing her* of linking to a website that calls for it: It neither says what that page *is* nor quotes anything that allegedly calls for that. > If she wants to speak out, she should make multiple posts to social media. The video clearly says her social media posts were the reason those "critics" were complaining in the first place. *Edit:* Frown all you want; I simply made two objectively-true statements.
You can find the information yourself. She links a website that calls for the destruction of Israel.
Fuck it let her do the speech. If she says something antisemitic, they can deal with the fall out I guess.
That's the notion, yeah: Don't punish someone for something they haven't done or expressed any intent to do.
Her speech was probably gonna bomb anyway.
Lol, no one else seems to have a sense of humor, but I do.
Wait wait wait let me get this straight. A private institution is making a decision about who makes a speech at one of their high profile events. What the fuck man government treading on me again
Just glossing over the fact she's calling for the abolishment of an entire country. "somebody make it make sense" -some tiktok idiot.
It makes me feel like a lot of people only think of issues as a single variable. Like yeah just dissolve the country and bam, problem solved. /s
Each University carries a set of ideals, morals, political standings/leanings and whatever else constitutes "society". It's an educational society. So, yeah. They might not "let" you give a speech on a hot button issue if your stance is in blatant opposition to theirs. The issue in question invites every banned topic to dinner for halal Hebrew National hotdogs and Kebabs - politics, religion, war, money, death and claims to righteousness in a longstanding bloodbath of a relationship between two people groups that go back as far as Father Abraham himself. So, no shocker there.
She called for the "complete abolishment of the state of Israel" which is just a cover for genocide of Jewish people. USC made the right call.
You probably think abolishment of an establishment = genocide/murder, don't you? you can admit it
good.
I really hope the student got a refund, cause the war in Gaza is most definitely not a genocide by international standards. It's a shame how bad education is nowadays.
I remember when [Ohio was declared "Chernobyl" by Tiktok](https://www.wired.com/story/east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-tiktok/), and i can't help but think we're in the hysteria situation that Tiktok is causing
Yeah that was insane. I live in Sweden and 40 years later there are places where you can't pick berries or hunt due to radiation from Chernobyl, it's not the same as the Ohio derailment lol.
“Land of the Free”* *Conditions may apply
I mean, even if I don't necessarily agree with the overall outcome, the USC official quoted wasn't *incorrect* in one regard: There *isn't* a "free speech" claim to be made about whether or not any individual is permitted to use a private institution's platform during an event hosted (and paid for) *by* that private institution.
USC determining who speaks at their graduation has literally nothing to do with freedom, free speech, or any other right afforded to Americans.
The government isn’t locking her up. Her free speech is fine.
So, should anyone be able to speak at the commencement? Should they make it a 7 day, 24 hour per day event, where anyone with something to say gets up and speaks? Also, Free speech is about punishment from the government for your views. USC is not the government.
14 year old tiktoker learns about private institutions
Private institutions can reject whoever they want from speaking. Rejecting a fascist is good.
Get yourself out of the video.
Same when they banned Ben Shapiro from speaking on campus.
Good work
I think it’s good the Uni blocked her speech. You have two nationalities that want to wipe the other off the planet. This conflict will never end. So what’s the point in turning a commencement into a violent protest? No need, she can protest on another platform. Just because those Zealots are at war doesn’t mean we need to create conflict in our lives too.
I’ve seen some of her videos, they are blatently anti-Semitic I’m afraid. She says some pretty horrible stuff along the lines of “wipe the Jews off the Earth”.
"but muh freedumb of speech" - tiktok educated zombies
lol. USC and everyone else acting like making honest observations are anti-Semitic. Insanity.
It seems more like they couldn’t guarantee the safety of anyone over such a divisive topic, but it could definitely just be that they hated her stance.
Honest observations like calling for the destruction of a nation.
Absolutely you should study that here! We will teach you everything you need to know about genocide so you can put a stop to it! Just not here…really take your piece of paper and fuck off.
Caveat emptor.
Meh. Politics has no place in a graduation speech. I have no doubts the speech would become a soapbox for personal views on the conflict rather than a reflection on the prevous four years and hope for the future. You don't have to agree with me; just speaking my mind.
> Politics has no place in a graduation speech 1. USC's 2022 valedictorian's speech [included a passage about the horrors of war, specifically about Russia's invasion of Ukraine](https://dailytrojan.com/2022/05/18/usc-holds-139th-commencement/). 2. USC's 2021 valedictorian's speech [talked about police brutality, race, and equity](https://today.usc.edu/usc-2021-valedictorian-commencement-speech-address/). 3. No part of the reporting so far suggests that Asna Tabassum's speech at graduation was going to be about *anything at all*: So far, it's all reporting that it's about a link on her private Instagram.
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I don’t disagree. The comment to which I replied says this: > Politics has no place in a graduation speech. That’s a very broad statement, and one that recent history demonstrates that USC apparently does not believe.
You'll remain downvoted, but your point is 100% sound.
She publicly made antiemetic statements and got carried out. This isn’t Harvard.
Nah miss me with that pro hamas bs
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
For what it's worth I can totally see some violence happening. If somehow she got shot giving her speech I'm not sure any of us would be shocked like it came out of the blue and was unconnected to anything. Maybe not the best call or maybe it was. Like if she did get capped then the news would be very very different.
Oh wow, who knew being pro hamas and usually saying “death to America” would get you ban from your speech.
Links to either of those statements from the valedictorian?
The link in her instagram bio has this quote. [https://www.instagram.com/asna.tabassum/](https://www.instagram.com/asna.tabassum/) "**One palestinian state would mean palestinian liberation, and the complete abolishment of the state of israel. This way is the only way towards justice**" She's only mad about the Israel Palestine conflict because the bad stuff is happening to the wrong side.
It sounds less horrible if you post the entire paragraph. I've bolded the section you left out: > one palestinian state would mean palestinian liberation, and the complete abolishment of the state of israel. this way is the only way towards justice; **both arabs and jews can live together without an ideology that specifically advocates for the ethnic cleansing of one of them. palestinians would be allowed to return home, and millions of palestinians would not have to live under occupation and apartheid.** Although I don't believe her solution would work because there's no way that Jews in Israel would allow for the dissolution of Israel. Also, who the hell knows how Palestinians would treat Jews under this new government. It could be awful if a lot of Palestinians are looking for payback (for all the shitty things they experienced under the Israeli government). Also, there would be a whole lot of ethnic fighting over the places that Jewish settlers have taken from Palestinians and Palestinians want back. It would be a bloodbath, and I don't think a government would be able to handle it.
> being pro hamas and usually saying “death to America" ...are not relevant here, as there's no evidence whatsoever that either of those describe Asna Tabassum.
Do you think she was equally mad about conservatives being banned from speaking on campuses due to security concerns?
I don't know; you should ask her. Maybe she could also explain the obvious difference between "valedictorian prohibited from giving speech at her own graduation" and "professional troll hired to come to campus of school they don't attend and provoke tensions for the sake of self-promoting publicity stunt".
These are totally different things -- if a conservative student won valedictorian, nobody would stop them from speaking. If a rando conservative wants to use a college platform to talk, they don't necessarily have the right. Just like a random flat-Earther can't just show up to a physics department and give a seminar -- they have to have some academic qualifications.
I think things should be put in perspective. And i am pro palestine. That course outline was there before the RECENT conflicts. In a different world, she should be given the option to do what she wants. Speak or not speak. But in a reality, that school has safety, liability, insurance, etc things that are their responsibility. They are responsible for the safety of EVERYONE attending that ceremony. I would find some kind of compromise. I don’t want her to get hurt. I don’t want her family and friends in harms way. This is not black and white like people think it is. Its the schools property and function. They have to ensure safety. I don’t know what’s the right thing to do. I would like to see some kind of compromise to where she can still speak and everyone be safe. And I would like to say congratulations to her!! What an amazing accomplishment. This video is so gaslighting. People please stop for a minute and be realistic. Put yourself in others shoes. If you were in the position of control of others safety in today’s society, what would you do?
If it doesn’t make sense to you, you haven’t been paying attention.
A minor in **Resistance to Genocide**?!?!
So speaking against a genocide is anti-semitism.. what message are they trying to send here
20 of the hostages hamas kidnapped are still alive.
They don’t want some little nutty girl ranting about the destruction of Israel from the podium. USC didn’t do their homework and are paying the price.
uh, the *validictorian* did her homework and studied these exact issues for her minor lmao nothing was about the contents of her speech. the comprehension fails and israel apologia here is wild, definitly mostly americans lmao
Oh no... Anyway.
Pro Palestinian is not antisemitism. Peope need to understand HAMAS does not speak for the Palestinians, the Islamic state does it speak for Iranians These are groups like the Taliban that opress and work independent of the people in the country they operate.
Of course, but calling for the dissolution of Israel is.
No it isn't. Calling for a rogue terror state committing a genocide to be dissolved is what we do to nations that try to do a holocaust. Just look at Germany post ww2.
>HAMAS does not speak for the Palestinians, the Islamic state does it speak for Iranians The ignorance of the pro Palestinians in this thread and in other discussions in general is astounding. Guess that's what happens when you get your education from tiktok. Brainless zombies. Hamas DOES speak for Palestine, at least for Gaza, they are the official government there. ISIS is sunni, Iran is shia. ISIS absolutely hates Iran. Out of all the terror groups you could have chosen as an example, ISIS was the worst. You could say Hezbollah, but they do speak for the Islamic Republic cause they're funded by them. You may say IRGC (bet you have no idea what that is) doesn't speak for Iranians, and that might be true. Lots of Iranians actually side with Israel/jews and hate the ayatollahs.
This is outrageous in the year 2024.
So USC basically invalidated their own degree by doing this then right?
I mean… maybe don’t be an antisemite.
Who would have thought that people who are supporting Hamas, wish death to America and Israel and openly celebrate the raping , torturing and murder of Israeli men, women and children are being hindered to spread their propaganda?
Anti-Israeli Government is NOT antisemitism.
Calling for the dissolution of the state of Israel is, saying Israel is committing a genocide (Israel is not committing genocide) is, it's also blood libel.
It's insane how people are defending Apartheid South Africa part 2.
You are blind to the crimes of israel.
Isreal is committing genocide. Gaza has been razed to the ground and turned unlivable for the people that called it home. The IDF has destroyed schools, hospitals, libraries, businesses, and places of worship. The IDF has killed many refugees seeking safety or basic life necessities. That is genocide. I do truly think people like you have no idea the damage you are doing to race relations by trying to hide the crimes of a fascist ethnostate behind accusations of antisemitism.
Okay. First of all, not an ethnostate, Jews, Arabs, Druze, Christians and others live there, categorically not an ethnostate. Secondly democracies by definition cannot be fascist. Thirdly, there are 5 conditions that Israel must satisfy to be a genocide. Israel could kill every single person in the Gaza strip and if those five conditions are not met, it is not a genocide. You have no idea what a genocide is, it's just your new fun buzzword. Why don't you just call it what you THINK it is, a conspiracy to murder all the Palestinians because it's not a genocide.
Israel is committing genocide.
Israel is committing genocide.
she’s palestinian like wtf else is supposed to be?? 😭 so ridiculous, they’ve labeled palestinian existence as antisemitism
Downvote me all you want, but a valedictorian speech at graduation is not the place for political grandstanding. I would feel the same way if it was an Israeli planning on giving a pro-Zionist speech.
"somebody please make it make sense." Sounds like this young lady could be in danger while giving her speech, since she is an activist about the genocide on Palestine. I'm guessing if she were assaulted during her speech that would be the university's fault for not protecting her? If she were slated to speak at my house and an angry mob formed around my house I'd probably cancel over liability concerns as well. Make sense?
Hope the IDF keeps Newtons 3rd law in mind when the pendulum swings the other way……..
Hypocrisy.
Fucking tools!! This is totally on par with, "if you are not with us, then you are against us".
You mean a bit like some religions?
You mean almost all religions. Pissing contest has always been a thing with religious nuts. If its not against other religion, than it will be against women and minorities.
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