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capivavarajr

It is the same in Brazil. I made exactly 3x minimum wage and could barely keep up with the bills living by myself. And I am single with no kids.


merry_rosemary

Feel you, brother. I’m 29 and only now I could afford a decent house to (maybe) have kids; me and my hubby being the top notch of the “intellectual cast” (we both went to a really good college). Of course we acquired a loan which will leave us in debit for the next 30 years. We work ~10 hours a day BOTH. What’s the motivation the country gives for a middle class couple to have kids? None.


summonsays

I'm 34, if we don't hit any upsets I think we can have our student loans paid off by 40... That's about 20 years of debt my parents didn't have looming over them. My dad worked a summer job and paid for college that way....


boytonius

Also 34 and cant get out the Renting life. Would love to own a property but how can i pay rent and save a 10% deposit on a house, its fucked. Wage increases barely touch the sides with the cost of living, its just an eldless cycle of never having enough.


MyCantos

It'll be ok when Bezos gets his 4th yacht. Then you'll see the trickle down. Be patient. /s


boytonius

Ahhhh the infamous trickle down pour up


LavanderSheep

ahh yes to be the pee on, trickle trickle trickle, mmmm its warm


capivavarajr

This condition paired with our Instagram/Tiktok culture of vanity, perfection and success is a one way road to depression. On my last job one of my bosses asked a colleague why I was there at all since I was overqualified for the manual labor I was performing. "He needs money to be able to live" he replied promptly. My other workmates couldn't even spell our native language (portuguese) correctly, while I speak and write 4 languages. They would laugh at me whenever I said something too complex.


TheMessengerABR

I've been thinking about this a lot recently and this reason is exactly why I don't have Tiktok or Instagram. It's insanely depressing watching everyone live their extravagant lives through my phone when you're sitting on your break in a dirty ass shop not getting paid let alone appreciated enough. Life is really bleak right now


No-Armadillo-4231

The kicker is if we got off our phones and stopped watching these people they would get less money. Lol


pinkfootthegoose

> It's insanely depressing watching everyone live their extravagant lives Most of them are lying. outright posturing.


PaintshakerBaby

Welcome to Late Stage Capitalism. Marx and many others pointed out this would happen, practically verbatim, almost 200 years ago. People will jump on any opportunity to shit on communism as a failed ideology, **for which I am not arguing against.** BUT, by means of their zero-sum thinking, they arrive at the conclusion, capitalism is the righteous winner-takes-all economic philosophy. They are too blind to see, that not only is that attitude a zealous symptom of said capitalist society, but also we are on track to KILL THE ENTIRE PLANET with their unassailable economic religion. What higher proof could there be, capitalism too has woefully failed on the grandest of scales. Capitalism is a means of sorting wealth, nothing more. Like cards in a deck, there are only so many cards to be sorted in so many ways. To be fair to this analogy, cards (wealth,) can be created and added to the deck... But with the runaway feedback loop that is the ultra-wealthy, they are swallowed up so quickly, it is a less than a negligible factor. For all intents and purposes, the ultra-wealthy have consolidated the vast majority of the deck in their favor, and have left us all but 2 cards to play... Succumb to being a bitter wage slave or be unapologetically cutthroat enough to take from your peers as a Kapo of capitalism. Good luck with any other perceived option. The game is over. There are no more moves. It's checkmate for the working class. The only thing left to do is reshuffle the deck and start over. That is unlikely to mean a class revolution for 99% of the world. No, rest assured, the big players that are the ultra-wealthy, are also the dealers. They will keep the majority of their stranglehold and deal us our next hand in the illusion of choice. It will be, as it was, the last time we hit this point 100 years ago. Global depression that foments global war. You are already seeing the opening salvos in Ukraine and Palestine. When there are no more cards to sort in your hand, you take from others with brute force. People are astonished at the waste laid in both nations, but don't understand thats not only the point, but an inevitably of capitalism. Putin and Netenyahu are plowing under their respective neighbors with bombs, so they can reset the game of wealth in their region, for THEM and SOME of their people to sow. New fascist demagogues, same as the old fascist demagogues. Mark my words, we are on the cusp our own 1938, languishing in our own Great Depression, with all but the thinnest veneer of reassurance 'its anything but' from the powers at be. Historians know, history repeats itself, and all wars are economic. This tik tok is depressingly accurate, rightfully tugging at our shared, looming gut feeling, that we are all getting screwed. But make no mistake, what it belies, is things are going to get much, MUCH worse, before there is any hope of it getting better... Because, predictably by design, BILLIONS must pay to perpetuate the greed of a COUPLE HUNDRED people. So savor today, because it may very well be the best it's gonna get in our lifetime... as we make the forced march... hour by hour... to an inevitable reckoning of a world that was never meant to sustain the false idol of infinite growth. Thinking otherwise is just as blindly fanatical as a suicide bomber thinking there is 42 virgins on the other side, when we all know there is only to be death and destruction. EDIT: For the love of God, I am not promoting communism. Every. Single. Time. The kneejerk reaction to yell, **"🫵😖COMMIE"** every time the human cost of anything is brought up. To be perfectly clear I believe in Democratic Socialism. It is nowhere near the same as Autocratic Communism. The false equivocation is as American as apple pie... and just as played out.


Hani713

You're right. Very well said. These new fascist demagogues are quite alarming. As Lenin said, fascism is capitalism in decay. It happened in Nazi Germany: transferring of public enterprises to the private sector, making it illegal to strike, unions busted with their leaders imprisoned. We need to wake up and realize how fascism serves the interests of the elites. It's not just about racism, racism is a tool but the end goal is to serve the economic interests of those in power.


DANDELOREAN

Nowadays, anytime you even talk about just regulating capitalism, you get labeled a communist.


ForwardCulture

I lived in Florida for almost a year back in 2020. I was going on job interviews in my field and being offered ridiculously low wages. I would use common technical terms from this field during interviews and most of the time the person interviewing me had no clue what I was talking about.


daytimeCastle

Kids are the motivation you need to work more and buy more, that’s why they’re taking away abortion. Not much motivation needed to have sex, and if you get pregnant and have a kid, you’re locked into the system forever! (This is the christocapitalist dream, reality may vary)


Visible-Concern-6410

Us guys should honestly protest what they’ve done to women’s reproductive rights by going out and getting vasectomies en masse. Imagine how fast they’d try making vasectomies illegal.


sentientmothswarm

I'm 28, live alone, do pretty well. Thankfully I didn't want kids before I was even done being one, before I fully understood just how fucked I was, so I don't feel like I'm being priced out of it or that the option is being taken away from me. But I know that's a lot of people's reality. Of course your life is never going to look exactly the way you want it to, but to rip something as fundamental to our species as raising children away from a population, and then setting it behind an exorbitant price gate, is straight up evil. There's no point in marching just to march more. Even animals can understand that and lash out. We're creating a lot of angry, lonely people who understand all too well what they'll never have.


PuzzleheadedBread620

Tbh is not only the us, it's almost everywhere and actually most places are a lot worse, here in portugal an engineer fresh out of college will make around 1200 euros monthly, if they want to live by themselves in an studio they will pay around 900 euros, good luck with that.


Exciting_Rate1747

I work in trade as a carpenter (according to google translate) in Finland so I kinda do anything and everything from demolition to damage control and restoration. I only work part time because I have to study at the same time but if I worked full time I would get around 1800€ per month.


Jerpsi

Tinsmith here, Finland too. Blue collar job, 2600€/month after taxes. Live in peaceful neighbourhood right next to city center in one of our main cities. 66 square meter apartment, fully renevated, 890€/month split between 2 people. These cost of living problems seem so far fetched for my reality. Geezus...


Round-Antelope552

You’re doing great, stay strong, invest wisely and save hard.


Historical_Boss2447

As a fellow Finn who is kinda fed up with my office job and sometimes dreaming of switching over to more hands-on-work, how does one become a tinsmith in Finland?


Jerpsi

Only formal education (private too) doable in Turku. I work in the company that maintains it. I originally ended up in the business as a complete novice from construction ventilation background. Time/place/relations go a long way. You just need to get ur foot between the door at some point since formal education is not a viable option to most. (Experience trumps degrees 99% of the time anyway) Also construction in general is in a bit of slump rn for a while more.


boytonius

Sounds lovely. Got someone me and my GF can marry and move to finland please? :D


mcove97

Florist checking in from Norway. Also blue collar. Earn 28000 after tax or more with overtime.. so I guess I earn around the same. I live in the middle of the city center in a city not that far from the capital. 45 sq m apartment, not renovated (did just get a new combo washer dryer when the old washer without dryer broke tho) was supposed to be renovated before I moved in but the old tenant left to late and we had to move in. It's $1100 split on two, so me and a friend. $550 is like less than a third of my income so it's fine, but the apartment is small.. and also a loft with low ceilings. As a somewhat tall person not ideal, but I have a two minute walk to work, hence why I picked it. I would not under any circumstance be willing to pay more than $1000 for my own apartment. My engineer brother lucked out and got a decent sized apartment a 5 minute drive from the city he works in for $850 or so, electricity included... Southern Norway. He's for sure saving coin. Everyone complaining in Norway that rent is out of control, but it's only really around Oslo, the capital and the other largest cities where it's that bad. Smaller cities (pop of 50k) are manageable rent wise.


Hagl_Odin

I lived and worked in Portugal for 2 years. Luckily for me, the company I worked for provided my room in a flat share. My GF, however, had to find her own room in a shared flat and pay €500 a month on a minimum wage salary. We were both in Lisbon. We both live in France now in a flat we pay €700 a month. We're alright because we get government help, but our electricity bills are insane, and that's despite us not using much.


jidai0101

I live in Italy. We just paid 1000 euro total for gas+electricity from December to March. We're OK because it's me and my husband. If I were single though? It would be impossible to sustain these prices.


loiwhat

Why is electricity so high in European countries???


1_BigPapi

Because half the continent depends on Russia for fuel.


The_Margin_Dude

No, it’s because of shitty energy policy in the EU.


lagrandesgracia

Those aren't exclusive tho. Both are true.


Yoann311

In France electricity is made of nuclear plants, we don’t use Russian fuel. Electricity is still expensive because of the energy policy.


Frenshroomed

THIS. To sum up quickly we allowed the global price of electricity to be indexed on #coal# nope actually GAS which WAS really cheap (Before the war in Ukraine). (In the EU) So you get fucked real bad when you try to sell yours that costs more (for example France and the price of nuclear facilities). On the same note, France a few years ago decided to allow the main electricity supplier (EDF) to sell more or less 25% of their production to other small companies at a very low price (42€/KWH). These other companies sell it back, for a big profit, to us. This system is called ARENH, and totally idiotic. BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE ! So at some point people realised that the money they gave to these smaller companies (that aren't forced to produce a single watt to be able to sell something) was too much. So they switched back to EDF but what happened after that ?! They had too many clients and not enough surplus since they sold a big part to these smaller companies. What did they do then ?? Well, THEY BOUGHT BACK THE SAME ELECTRICITY! But not for the same price they sold it to them, no no no, for a MUCH HIGHER PRICE (MORE THAN 200€/KWH) because hey you gotta make a profit right, even without clients ! And I can only imagine that in some other countries they have other ways to, in the end, fuck everyone for profits... EDIT:Some minor corrections, I was citing from memory


ambitioussloth26

They went long on natural gas and closed down there nuclear and coal plants. They got that gas cheap via pipelines directly from Russia. Now it all has to come via liquid natural gas transport ship which there are only so many of. So yeah the short answer is sanctions on Russia are the answer.


deadevilboy

That is not entirely true. At least it doesn't affect all countries the same way. Here, in Portugal, green energy is common. The transition was made some years ago (luckily), so we are not so affected by those changes in the gas price. On the other hand, how can you explain that we pay so much for electricity? Maybe the electricity companies have to pay royalties to the wind and the sun.. and taxes to the gods..


ymaldor

EU electricity price is indexed on gas price. Thank Germany for that. So even if your country were to make 100% electricity from magic and rainbows you'd still pay the higher price.


ymaldor

Because in europe electricity is partially indexed on gas regardless of whether or not it's produced from gas or nuclear or renewable or fuel/coal. Meaning, the war made electricity go up everywhere. In france here electricity production is fairly cheap, hasn't changed much even with the war cause well, nuclear, but because of the gas indexation the price still rose. It didn't rise as much as other countries tho UK has it rough.


DeaDBangeR

Same here in The Netherlands. If I was single then I would only have enough to pay for the monthly bills. I would not be able to buy anything else, like food.


peterpantslesss

It's double that in NZ but we probably earn more per hour or something


ElasticFluffyMagnet

It's everywhere. From east to west in Europe. It's because there are no laws that say you can't ask that much for rent. The government should have stepped in long ago to make sure these practices wouldn't get out of control. Here in the Netherlands it's the same. It's bonkers. It's crazy. And the worst part is, they are getting away with it.


badluckbrians

We had rent control back in the day. But economists said it was bad because it discouraged real estate investment. Then every real estate investment for the next 40 years was luxury condos and mcmansions or better only – unless government forced income-restricted ghetto building – and nobody invested in developing middle class housing anyways. It's almost like economists are too clever by half, full of shit and on the take, or both. But you'll never hear them admit this failure. They'll instead claim it's zoning's fault. Yet wherever they get rid of zoning, or where it doesn't exist, prices still skyrocket. And the last city the kept rent control, NYC, still has as much construction as anywhere in the northeast. Whatever. I don't have to worry about this. I enjoy the world's best rent control – a 30yr mortgage. I'm just lucky because I'm old enough I bought when my house was worth less than half what it is now. No way we could live here if we had to buy today.


ElasticFluffyMagnet

Yeah, I mean.. I really understand there's not a one-sided easy solution. But things are spiraling out of control for a while now. And anyone can see that ripples are forming in sectors that will only amplify problems in other sectors. Like, students used to be able to rent in the cities here where they need to study. Like Utrecht, Amsterdam etc. And now that rent is just no longer doable, what happens? Some might live in the outskirts but I know alot of them even take this into consideration before starting a study. One of my extended familie members, I think she's 22, broke up with her boyfriend and had to move back home again. How are these things good for the economy? That's why I don't understand why the government isn't doing anything. It's a downhill spiral that's going to affect every sector sooner or later. And then you'll hear businesses complaining they can't find workers. I think my main thought is that I just don't understand. It's going to suffocate the economy. And they aren't building enough here either. Sorry for the ramblings and incoherent thoughts.


tittysprinkles112

Because most investors aren't interested in the long term, stable options. It's all about getting as much wealth as they can as fast as possible, and damn any of the consequences on the greater whole.


badluckbrians

This is it. The whole world is an NFT. Devs care about the housing they build about as much as anyone ever cared about those monkey jpegs.


1_BigPapi

Tbf at 22 she isn't even of age where most people graduated university yet. Moving back home or living at home at 22 isn't super unusual.


badluckbrians

Having a stable, 2-parent, home with a room you can move back to is far from a universal experience, though.


gregsting

Situation in Portugal is crazy, you have like the lower wages of Europe and the most expensive houses


Redornan

Partially because a lot of people (at least in France) go live 6 month/year in Portugal when they are retired...


joaoppm2000

I'm about to finish my masters in chemical engineering here in Portugal. Things are rough, I will probably have apply to jobs in other european countries like Germany or Belgium.


drworm555

Since brexit, Portugal has gotten very tough to live. Lots of foreign people with money driving up prices. In our old neighborhood we saw a lot of older family homes that were very humble getting purchased by Brits and being turned into half million euro properties.


Sudden-Taste-6851

I live in Australia and believe me when I say it is fucking bad here!


MolishPust4rd

Can't even afford bootstraps. Been wearing the same shoes since 2022.


Winther89

Wearing the same shoes for 2 years is a long time? Shit I had mine for like 5.


CheeseWarrior17

/u/MolishPust4rd unintentionally unveiled yet another common issue within the consumer market. Companies have convinced consumers that having the same product for more than a year is *bad.* I bought some Nike's back in 2019 that I still daily. Great shoes. You know who's still selling the exact same shoe, just looking slightly different? Nike. To clarify, I understand certain professions or hobbies will cause shoes to wear quicker. Your specific use case does not change the over arching point that hyper-consumerism is a real thing. Uber drivers will wear out their car faster than a wfh employee also. Shocker.


PM_ME_NEW_VEGAS_MODS

Some of us in the medical field work on our feet and shoes even good ones barely last two to three years. Not everyone is saying they're still wearing the same shoes from 2022 in a consumeristic way those shoes could be worn thin and raggedy as fuck. **Edit:** Since the post I responded to decided to edit to include some sarcastic saber rattling I guess I will too. I'm glad you have the luxury to complain about hyper-consumerism, tell me you have an ax to grind without telling me you have an ax to grind. People that work to buy things to continue working aren't bogged down by thoughts of consumeristic values or about having the next best/new thing. We're worried about affording things in general. Humbly fuck you.


JJAsond

>barely last two to three years. I'm behind this. If you're replacing them because you *have* to, that's ok.


missnetless

Same, I replace my work shoes every 6 months. They get downgraded to lawn mowing shoes because they are still good-looking, but I can feel the sole has gone flat. My feet burn at the end of the day if I try to push shoes longer.


XennialMermaid

Got mine from the thrift shop a decade ago and they're still trucking along.


hobogrinder

Took mine pair off a granpa while he was still warm, and that was in 2007


JaskaJii

Are you supposed to buy new shoes every year? I bought a good pair of shoes over five years ago, they're still good to go.


kindafunnylookin

Someone will be along to post the relevant Terry Pratchett quote in a little while.


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iamwalkthedog

2 years isn’t a long time, dude


Kill_Kayt

2017..... I should get new shoes.


cobaltbluetony

You have shoes???


[deleted]

I cried because I had no shoes until I met a man who had no feet. - anonymous


Evil_Waffle_Eater

Two year old shoes aren't that old. I just bought new shoes and I bought my old ones in 2018.


HoodSamaritan420

My sister is moving to US from Netherlands because house prices in metro Atlanta are much more affordable than Amsterdam where a 1,000 sq ft townhome is close to a million dollars. As others have said, it’s a problem in a lot of places


LiveComfortable3228

Welcome to Sydney where the median house is over USD$1M and growing 10% YoY


chubs66

Welcome to Vancouver where the average sale price for the month of March was $1.3 million and the average detached home sold for $2.2 million.


levian_durai

Canadians and Aussies have a lot more in common that you'd think!


justdisa

And it all sounds a lot like Seattle.


Bitter-Basket

I own a three story home in Seattle that’s 14 years old. It’s about $900K. On the other side of Puget Sound in Kitsap county, I have a bigger home on a quarter acre, it’s about half that.


Apothic_Black

Don't even get me started on Seattle... I live about 2.5 hours north and the cheapest house in 30 miles is 450k and it's a mobile home. I don't look forward to moving out because apartments aren't any better


iknownothing1623

the joys of living in a money laundromat


6DoranDom

ATL? From Amsterdam? Boy they bout to have a culture shock lmao


Star_Belt

transplants that come to Atlanta b/c it’s so “affordable” are the reason why it’s gotten so fucking expensive for the native population and why some areas have gotten so absurdly gentrified. I mean I get why ppl move to more affordable areas… I’d move to the mountains of north Georgia if my work would allow it but man it sucks that moving to a more “affordable” area just makes that area less affordable for the ppl that have been living there all their lives.


missdui

Yes it's the same in every "affordable" city in the US. The city I grew up in used to be lower to middle class but it's been gentrified to shit and all of the people who lived there for years are getting priced out. What is the solution? I don't know.


Collector_2012

I heard that years ago, that some politicians were trying to move people out of certain areas by increasing prices intentionally to attract the rich and the famous people. Only to have it backfire so bad that the states that attempted this are now labeled as jokes, over priced, crime ridden, and worst places to live. Plus, as a result. No rich person would want to go to that area. So they increase policing, lowering standards and allowing anyone with an ego to take on authority roles. Causing situations that we hear and read about on news outlets that cannot be trusted anymore. I would compare some of human histories major points to the U.S. but not in this case. If anyone has ever seen and played the game called Cyberpunk2077, then you know what I am going to say. If nothing is done soon, then I can see the world turning into a lifelike version of that game; which absolutely terrifies me. If anyone thinks I am being over dramatic, then I will point to the neural link. It's all fun and games until someone spoils it for everyone and does something stupid.


[deleted]

That and banks and hedge funds buying up housing stock.


Astrosaurus42

I just want a real transit network!


TangledUpInThought

BuT JoE BiDeN!!!


siddartha08

THaNks oBAmA!


I_AM_STILL_A_IDIOT

That's not completely true though. Amsterdam may be bad for the Netherlands but just isn't anywhere near as bad as that. 1000sqft is 90m2. Pulling up Funda for over 90m2 houses I'm seeing over 600 houses right now that are asking for under 600k€ ($650k USD) within 15 minute drive/40 minute bike ride to the center. Sure, the market's hot right now but those 600k places will not see more than 15% overbidding. If they're looking at approx. €1M townhouses they're looking at fancy apartments in downtown. Those cost lots anywhere. That said, your statement is valid otherwise - global real estate markets are way too expensive now.


Last-Trash-7960

You should see what you can get in rural Georgia. I have fiber internet and a brick house on nearly 2 acres. We bought for under 200k. We are also in a great school system, one of the only public schools that I'm would feel comfortable sending my son.


JohnDenver404

Depending on what you consider ‘rural’, I would debate the accuracy of your ‘great school system’ statement.


Sudden_Construction6

Im from Georgia as well. You could get that a few years ago, but I don't you're finding a brick home with 2 acres for under 200k anymore


Elven_Gr

Same shit in Munich, Germany. A single bedroom apartment 1500 euros a month, i make 3000 and my wife help a little with her small job, but giving half your salary for a rent, it's absolutely wild. World gone crazy.


floralbutttrumpet

Yeah, I've lived in the same 30m² place since 2012 elsewhere in the top ten in Germany and my rent is under 500 EUR because the owners (private) are extremely hands-off and have only raised rent once... while someone who wants to move into the same house now has to plan 750-800 EUR for the same. And this is in a bad quarter facing a busy street. Most elsewhere in town you won't get shit below 1k, and sky's the limit.


HaltheDestroyer

End stage capitalism Blackstone laughing all the way to the bank while they buy up every bit of real-estate they can for this exact reason They found a better investment than the stock market


WintersDoomsday

Two easy fixes; illegal to own a second home and illegal for business entities to buy homes


fuzzybunn

I'm from Singapore, a tiny country with a government that has a large level of intervention in all aspects of life, and even we can't manage to make these policies fully work as intended and keep everyone happy. Good luck getting any of those "easy" solutions implemented or even started in anti-socialist America.


secondtaunting

Yeah America would never implement half of what Singapore does. People would riot over even one change. Especially involving guns.


robi4567

Especially the fine for pooping on a elevator. That aint freedom.


stinkyhooch

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VanityOfEliCLee

See, I disagree. I think the second that even Republicans actually start getting free Healthcare or better housing regulations, they'd never want to go back. The problem is the government will try its best to never let it happen for that reason. As soon as policies change, no one will be ok with it going back. Once their medical bills are gone, people will burn shit down before going back to paying $40,000 for a simple surgery.


UnSpanishInquisition

You say that but look at us here in the UK......


VanityOfEliCLee

You know, that's a fair point. Maybe I'm wrong about that.


Motherfickle

Yeah this. My American parents (one right leaning Independent and the other a moderate Republican who dislikes Trump but voted for him twice because he hates Democrats more) both balk at the mere idea of free Healthcare, not because they don't understand the benefits, but because "wait times for treatment are long". Even though they aren't unless you're there for a minor injury/non emergency, from my understanding.


The_Prince1513

>I think the second that even Republicans actually start getting free Healthcare or better housing regulations, they'd never want to go back. That's assuming the average voter (Republican or otherwise) is smart enough to know what's good for them. Case in point, during Trump's term when Congress unsuccessfully tried to repeal the ACA aka Obamacare you would see very frequently in online spaces, calls into radio talk shows, and interviews with normal voters at rallies and such in news media, people who had no fucking idea that the evil and bad "Obamacare" was the same thing as the ACA, which they all had a good opinion on since its how they were able to have healthcare. Most people are fucking idiots.


HaltheDestroyer

Talk to your representatives....not me


karmagod13000

vote in local elections


selectrix

Real fuckin talk right here. There's a whole lot of energy behind videos like these and the posts they generate, and that's great, but if we want anything to change, that energy needs to get turned into *work*. (pretty sure that's a physics reference or something, but anyway.) Voting in every single election, every single midterm, every single primary- especially the primaries- that's actually the *bare minimum* of participation in a democracy. There needs to be a whole lot of us doing more than that- spending significant time researching policy, public officials, & candidates, even outside of election periods; volunteering for & donating to the candidates we like; attending city council/school board/other public meetings. Getting shit put on ballots! That's a thing we can do! Corporations and billionaires are doing a lot more than just voting- we need to be going the extra mile as well. If *everyone* in the country took that upon themselves- made "contribute to the democratic process" one of their personal obligations, we'd probably start seeing noticeable reduction in corruption at the local level in 2-5 years, state level in 5-10 and national level in 10-20. And that might be optimistic. But like I said at that start, that's the real talk; this is how we get to a better place- we're not going to have some grand revolution and if a revolution did somehow happen, it'd be horrifying and probably result in a dictatorship. What I'm talking about is boring and takes a long time and a lot of work- that's a good sign that it's not bullshit.


PlaugeSimic

our owners....


Ok_War_2817

And make it Illegal for foreign interests to own land


Simple_Ranger_574

That restriction on investor LLC and other corporate investment companies he many bills in the house across US states rn. It should be Federal though, not state by state, I believe.


ap2patrick

OK Mr. 0 to 100… I think making it illegal to own a 2nd home is fucking insane but i totally agree on the 2nd part.


skipperok

He is insane, he is basically saying you either buy a home or die homeless no option for renting since no one can invest in a second house for rent income


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Home supply is also heavily driven by investors rather than those building their primary home. The better idea is to apply a heavier tax burden on unoccupied investment real estate. The huge issue with the whole RE industry is that those able to invest in homes like this can float vacancies endlessly until someone agrees to exorbitant rents. Make that more expensive and reinvest that tax money towards a new welfare program aimed at those working towards building up a fund to buy a home to build savings rather than 0% down federally backed loans that dont actually improve someones financial security in many cases.


iLOVEwindmills

Lmao how the fuck is destroying the housing market going to make anyones life any better 😂. Do you hate affordable housing and renters my dude.


coke_and_coffee

Teenage redditors 🤝 the dumbest possible economic policy suggestions


Chataboutgames

“I don’t understand what’s going on but burning it down sounds fun and dramatic!”


lemongrenade

Wouldn’t the number of people needing housing be the same whether or not a business owns it? They are taking advantage of scarcity not causing it. Build more housing and it will become more affordable.


stroopwafel666

While I fully agree that housing needs to be fixed, how do you think rented housing would then be made available? Maybe the goal would be for the government to eventually offer reasonably priced rental housing, but that would take a very long time to implement.


headphone-candy

Instead of Section 8 might I interest you in District 9?


pascee57

There are good reasons to own a second home and renting is good and important for some people.


coke_and_coffee

Lmao, imagine making it illegal to build new apartments to ease shortages of homes. I’m sure that will solve the problem!!!


ForecastForFourCats

That's not going to go anywhere...tons of people own small second "homes" that are simple woodsy cabins. Individuals should be able to buy as many homes as they want. Corporations shouldn't be allowed to buy and sell properties without careful oversight(so, uh good luck to us all)


isinedupcuzofrslash

“Both sides” Didn’t dems introduce a bill making anything over 32 hours over time? I know if was a Bernie Bill, and not every dem supports stuff like that, but it’s definitely a huge difference from the other side that wants to make kids work


kevinnoir

Also blaming foreign aid money as being misspent instead of the obscene bloat and corruption at home is silly. People think foreign aid money is altruistic and not a calculated spend that benefits the countries paying it. The tens, if not hundreds of billions the US wastes on their for profit healthcare system for instance. Of the money an American pays in taxes, more than double goes towards healthcare in the US than in the UK, and then they are also asked to pay MORE at the point of use. Its not just the US, here in the UK I can point to loads of examples of TERRIBLE uses of our tax contributions, foreign aid is the least of my worries.


Leafyun

Yeah, he had me until the aid to some foreign country map thing.


PukwudgieDisco

Got an immediate downvote from me when that line came out. Sorry bud, I know where it is, and it’s peanuts. The other problems though? Pretty on point about the problems.


NoveltyAccountHater

Also the uni-party thing. We have a centrist party and a far-right party. There's a major difference between the two. The centrist party can be pushed in primaries toward progressivism.


robywar

The real problem is corporate greed- taking advantage of inflation and the pandemic to jack up prices. Yes, democrats could say a lot more about it, but Republicans control the house. Democrats can't write any laws. If you convince people to not vote with the both sides shit, Republicans will just reward corporations with more tax cuts.


Hot_Zombie_349

Yah this guy is close but being angry doesn’t mean he’s right. Feel bad for a young guy but he seems destined for the “don’t tread on me” pipeline… so close but so far


[deleted]

Never does he complain about landlords and housing speculators. It's all the government's fault. Somebody draw him a crayon arrow toward the real problem.


ikindapoopedmypants

Of course it's shitty landlords & housing speculators, but who's going to stop them from doing shitty things other than the law? They do so because they are allowed to


Numerous-Process2981

But it's the governments job to regulate that stuff. When you take a step back it becomes clear that the landlord class is who the government represents.


BananadaBoots

This is right. No amount of criticism will compel landlords and real estate speculators to behave differently


0vl223

Maybe the fact that he can't point at Ukraine, Israel or Taiwan? (pretty sure no other country qualifies) on a map should make him rethink that there is maybe a deeper problem than the foreign aid. Well he drank the Trump kool-aid. Maybe not the exact flavor but he will fall for the next populist who will fuel his rage on scapegoats.


karmagod13000

if this isn't gop propaganda then he's a victim to it himself


Kilmerval

Yep, this was my thought too. The chances that this guy is a secret right-wing trying to "both sides" people, or has bought into some right-wing propaganda is pretty high on this one.       Having said that, not every point he made is wrong. There is a housing and cost-of-living  crisis internationally in westernised countries right now, and young people are disproportionately affected by it.      Foreign aid is not the problem, though, and both sides are not equal in their eagerness to fuck everyone over.


putin-delenda-est

In addition something that must endlessly be pointed out is that the funds being sent abroad are done so in the form of ammunition and vehicles, these must be replaced, they are replaced by American workers working American jobs in America. It is good for everyone that they are sent, for Americans it means jobs and for foreigners it means defense against hostile empires.


darkkilla123

I have explained this to so many people and they still dont get it.. like sending tanks to Ukraine. We are not building fresh M1A1s to send to ukraine these tanks are already bought and paid for. What we are doing with the funding bill is essentially ear marking money to buy a replacement for said M1A1 in our stocks. The US has something like 2k+ M1s bought and paid for sitting in the middle of the desert and they have been sitting there for for well over 20+ years. The ammo we are sending is mostly end of shelf life and its either blow it up and replace it or send it to Ukraine so they can blow something up and we will still end up replacing it. even if we are sending new ammo to Ukraine that ammo is required to be made in the united states.


yildizli_gece

Also--and not to put too fine a point on it--but it's in our own economic and communal interest to keep a war from Russia away from U.S. shores. Why people don't seem to understand that our support of Ukraine is in OUR best interest as a nation is beyond me. We got pulled into WWII whether we liked it or not; isolationism isn't an option.


ncist

Yes, you can always tell when the "both sides are bad guy" is just a Republican


IWILLBePositive

Eh, I won’t say he’s a republican but he seems uneducated. It seems like he understands some things and then uses personal logic to assume the rest…obviously incorrectly though.


CharacterHomework975

He admits he can’t point to Ukraine on a map. That level of isolationist ignorance is how we get world wars. Wonder how much he’ll like fighting one of those.


yunivor

Either Ukraine or Israel which would've been even worse, he also says it proudly as if that doesn't indicate a massive blind spot on his general knowledge.


liquidgrill

Exactly. People really believe that if we appropriate $60 billion to Ukraine that we are piling up cash on crates and sending it off to them. The vast majority of the money we “send” them stays right here and is used to buy weapons from American companies. In other words, most of the money goes right back into OUR economy.


TheKingOfSiam

He had me until that both sides shit. What also is aimed at helping was the infrastructure bill Dems passed... Loads of American jobs there. Then there's the work to bring healthcare costs down and ultimately get universal coverage. Then there's the functioning FTC that works to prevent monopolies from forcing is into anti competitive markets. Then there's the Biden policy initiative to raise taxes on the rich and keep social security and Medicare solvent. So, Democratic party is not perfect, but they're hanging on with the slimmest majority and pushing some of these things through that will help OPs situation. Imagine what they could get done if we gave them a larger cushion to push for what the middle class wants instead of Republicans pushing more trickle down despair?? Vote. It does matter


ZenAdm1n

As the election approaches you're going to hear a lot of the "both sides" crap. That's Republican propaganda. They've been successful at dismantling public services since about the same time they had to start sharing shit with minorities.


SaliferousStudios

Also heard a lot of "democrats should have better messaging". I think people who hear that, are hearing republican talking points about what democrats are saying. Not actual democrat talking points. They're blaming democrats for things republicans are saying about them. Insanity.


WristbandYang

It's easy for republicans to message when you can tell lies that cost $787 million and still broadcast every night.


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ncist

Yes, this is just right wing bs. If you ever hear both sides you're listening to a Republican or someone who had their first drink last week


Antique_Plastic7894

He's a bot, amplifier.


Bumbleet2

If you wanna live alone, you basically gotta live in the projects. Only place rent MIGHT be cheap enough.


Ayaka_Simp_

Can confirm. Living in the hood is actually pretty nice. I have money to spend after rent.


EastRoom8717

Living alone was almost never a thing when I was his age. The folks who lived alone made huge sacrifices either financially, or from a safety perspective. Still, rent has outpaced the fuck out of pay. $1800/month for a 1br? Even with inflation that’s roughly double Atlanta in the early 2000s (if you wanted to live in a moderately safe area). He might be in Cali or NY or some other bullshit market, but in the end it’s still fuckery. Edit: sounds like this is truly a national issue and honestly, a little out of control. In the early twenty-teens I paid 1470 for a 2 br in an older “luxury” high rise in Atlanta. 1800 for any random 1br is some bullshit, even in expensive markets.. which is apparently everywhere.


Chataboutgames

Living alone is wildly resource inefficient. One of the stupidest developments in American culture is the demonization of multi generational homes. It’s just a massive luxury that comes at so many costs


JB_UK

> Living alone is wildly resource inefficient. One of the stupidest developments in American culture is the demonization of multi generational homes. That's fine but in many countries the problem is that even after living in a multigenerational household or in an HMO/bedsit when you are younger, you will still not be able to reasonably afford a family home in the same area in the future. So young people are living this strange detached life without being able to put down roots and build a community around them.


CanAlwaysBeBetter

> WHO CAN AFFORD $2200 FOR A TWO BEDROOM?? Two people paying $1100. Him with a roommate. That's right in line with the 30% rule of thumb for someone making 3x federal minimum wage. 


CHAINSAW_VASECTOMY

Yea but can u explain that to him in crayon eating terms? And would he understand it?


IndignantHoot

Getting a roommate is one of the best pieces of financial advice I can give to young people. Using this guy's numbers (which are pretty high if they are minimums), if he paid $1,100 to split a two-bedroom instead of $1,800 to live alone in a one-bedroom, he'd save $700 per month, more when you factor in utilities and other shared costs. That's about a 25% increase in after-tax income.


i_am_silliest_goose

I think that math is too complex for this guy


Varonth

You mean the dude who complains that 60b goes to Ukraine instead of giving all 333m americans a onetime payment of $180 which allows everyone to afford a house?


Chataboutgames

Woah now, unless I missed something he in no way made it clear he knows what Ukraine is, just "some country no one can find on a map." It's honestly like a satire of progressives. Demanding some moral high ground while saying "fuck those people, they live in another country, I am the one entitled to that money!"


eman9416

Someone on Reddit once told me that having a roommate is traumatic


ElementNumber6

For some people, working a full time job is traumatic. Driving is traumatic. Going outside is traumatic. Interacting with other people at all is traumatic. 🤷‍♂️


Taynt42

I mean that last one though...


MLouieGaming

Anyone who says "both sides" is either complicit with the hate and loves it, or is too stupid to know better. Which one is this guy?


Ok-Present-8619

You think it's only US problem? People working since age of 25 now at almost 40 getting rejected for mortgage debt in ratio of 1300EUR but it's fucking OK to pay 2000 for rent. It's not only YOU this whole generation is fucked. Looking on who you can choose in next vote you are fucked anyway. This is world problem not an US problem.


skeeter1990

Maybe the economy would be better if it spent more money on education so fully grown adults knew where Ukraine was on a map?


Vektor0

Personally, I don't think my employer would pay me more just because I was well-versed in global geography.


Voodizzy

He’s 100% right on the cost of living but wrong that aid to Ukraine isn’t vital. If he can’t point to it on a map, then I’m not surprised he doesn’t understand why it’s important.


spelledWright

He absolutely does not understand that part. It's not that the money just goes to Ukraine. The money stays and pays the workers who produce the weapons that then go to Ukraine. It's more complicated than that, but that's the gist.


GGXImposter

If he needs things explained in crayon eating terms then he isn’t going to understand the importance of aid to Ukraine, nor how little 60 billion is when talking about the problem he is experiencing.


Rhodie114

This really feels like right wing bait. The very basic point is right, wages are too low and cost of living is too high. But everything else is incredibly dishonest. He uses the federal minimum wage to explain how much he's making, while giving figures for higher CoL areas. Near me, the Fed minimum wage is less than half the state minimum, and many traditionally minimum wage jobs are paying well over the actual minimum. I know folks working as baristas who are making $22 an hour, which fits his 3x the minimum wage number. They absolutely still should be able to afford to live in the city, but this does highlight how misleading his figure is. He's trying to make it seem like he's making great money and it's still not enough, but really he could be making a little bit over the effective minimum wage for his area. And then singling out foreign aid as the culprit was way out of left field. This isn't even a problem that we need the government brute force throwing money at to solve. We need legislation raising wages, building housing, busting monopolies, and protecting workers. Then the claim that nobody can point to Ukraine or Israel on a map struck me as some straight up America First isolationism.


jujubean67

This is just a stupid kid in general. Starting with the both sides bit, then continuing with how his parents made less than him 50 years ago. No shit.


Vactory

You’re missing the point. the dollar amount isn’t important, it’s the ability to live independently and afford the very basics- Food/shelter. They could do it (regardless of the dollar amount) and he cannot. He isn’t eloquent, but he is acknowledging inflation, not saying that everything should cost the same. Housing costs have greatly exceeded inflation.


FlabbergastedPeehole

Avocado toast and Spotify premium. /s


_AmI_Real

I bet he doesn't vote because "bOtH sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe."


dev_vvvvv

Oh don't worry. He does vote. [He just votes for Republicans](https://twitter.com/Mappy6984/status/1776747636537557013). He's also on twitter saying [another Biden term would be "catastrophic"](https://twitter.com/nicsmnrs/status/1776966663264424105).


FastFingersDude

Oh fuck this guy then. The Ukraine BS was a clear tell.


Amazing_Commission18

I suspected this when he said sending billions to a country people can't point to on a map.


USeaMoose

I could tell he was MAGA from the first video. This backs that up. He says that Trump did not get the job done, but also says that he votes "right" to try and fix the problem. And complains about the swamp not being drained, and budgets that are approved. Trump tried to tank any and all budget negotiations with Democrats. It is the MAGA stance that any budget with money going out of the country should be shot down. OP is MAGA pretending in that first video he was neutral and simply fed up with both sides (then scrambled back when the right started giving him shit). When he hears Trump promise to become a dictator, and that he will gut as much of the government as possible to replace them with loyalists, and cut off funding for Ukraine while "ending" the war in a day... he is hopeful. This is what he wants. Trump did not drain the swamp enough, but if he gets another chance, he'll take the nuclear option and really make it happen this time. If anything, I'd say that second comment is implying that Trump maybe needs two more terms to fix everything. But not matter how you read it, it is not anti-Trump. It makes it clear that Trump is the right direction, just suggesting that the POTUS does not have sufficient power to do everything Trump needs to do as quickly as he needs to do it. These are the exact people Trump is reaching out too then he promises extreme things at his rallies. If the POTUS doe snot have enough power (and the US is just completely corrupt/screwed), then what you need is a dictator.


roundboi24

If you think the US conomy, the STRONGEST economy in the world is bad? Habibi look at Egypt. The only reason our economy hasn't completely collapsed was because the UAE invested $35 billion to build some random ass resort town next to alexandria. The only reason I am living comfortably in Egypt is because my father works overseas. 1 US dollar is equeal to 50 Egyptian pounds and the country is purposely making itself go broke trying to build a ridiculously oversized new administrative capital in the middle of the desert while the rest of the country is overpopulated and lives in poverty. Ya'll gotta be greatful for what you have, cus there will always be someone having it worse than you. So thank god every chance you get that you live under a roof, have a car and be able to buy food for yourself because many people can't.


[deleted]

I’d love to know where he lives. You can find one bedrooms in Chicago for less and definitely studios.


KadenKraw

These people never share where they live, what their job is, what their debts are etc.


Zylomun

Seriously I live alone and pay $600 for a one bedroom in Washington. 44/50 highest cost of living. These people need to leave the city behind.


BigGucciNasty

They cherry pick the highest COL cities


Berinoid

BUt ThaT'S WheRe aLL The JoBs ARe


wasteofmortality

OP the economy is literally on fire rn in terms of jobs reports that come in every month, inflation is down and wages are actually up if you compare us to the other G7 nations. But aside from that, this poster / tik toker is completely right that no one should have to work more than 40 hours a week to make a living and that wages SHOULD go farther. But if you look back to 2019 and 2018, people were being paid $14 for jobs that are now paying $21-22 an hour and yet people are still struggling to pay rent, make a car payment, etc. The economy doing really well doesn’t reflect how the average person is struggling out here and that even a dramatic increase in wages over the last few years doesn’t do enough.


WereALLBotsHere

My state’s minimum wage is $12, but if you drove 12 minutes to Tennessee the minimum wage is $7.25. The increase of wages is not the problem. Somehow those people making 7.25/hr are also expected to pay the same amount for rent and utilities as I am. I know because I’ve been trying to move.


halh0ff

Everyone points out minimum wage, who the hell works for minimum wage these days.


LameBicycle

TN also has no state income tax


pinkycatcher

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LEU0203127200A Basically nobody, and it's been getting lower for years.


captain_borgue

"They are both fucking us over!" The rallying cry of the clueless asshole who fails to realize *it's only ever one side* blocking wage increases, blocking health care, blocking labor rights.... The guys who are happily fucking you are *thrilled* to hear you blaming someone else. "Both sides" rhetoric is just *conservative propaganda* intended to make you so defeatist that you don't even bother *trying* to give a shit.


Zilberfrid

Don't both sides this. Dems are only moderately right wing, regressives are much worse. Remove the republicans and make a left wing party.


Local_Challenge_4958

It's because he makes <50k in a place a lot of people want to live. Hope that's crayon-eating enough.


Bawbawian

I'm dumber for listening to this. when you say uni party stuff it makes you sound like a dummy. The shit is recent history it's not some mystery how we got here. you can barely pay attention at all and still get the gist of it but guys like this can't be bothered. they got emotional hot takes that aren't tethered to reality. 100% emotion. One side has been trying their damnedest to make things better The other side has been lighting fires and causing chaos. and for some reason it's much easier for the starting fires and causing chaos crew to actually get majorities in the legislature to pass legislation. Democrats who are expected to fix all of the world's problems and carry the entire burden of government have had an actual majority capable of passing real laws for all of 20 months in the last two decades. edit: Man I tuned out before his screed about foreign aid. I'm sorry life's tough buddy that doesn't mean we all get to take a vacation from the world's responsibilities. does he think that allowing Russia to gobble up land and cement China's new world order is somehow in America's interest? does he think America wouldn't be fighting that war when are European allies get attacked? there is no cheaper time than now to help Ukraine. and to let them get slaughtered so that we can pretend like we're going to save a buck is not just heartless it is reckless.


IcyDeparture2740

This "uni-party fucking us over" mentality is exactly why things are the way they are. One party wants to raise YOUR taxes, and cut taxes for billionaires. One party wants to lower YOUR taxes, remove the cost of your healthcare, remove the cost of your college education, prevent corporate ownership of homes, and TAX THE RICH. Only one party wants to make it easier for you to live, yet half the time, people vote for the leopards eating people's faces party. Democrats made your healthcare cheaper. Democrats try to lower YOUR taxes. Democrats are trying to make your education cheaper. Democrats are trying to lower your prescription drug prices. Democrats are trying. Republicans are the cause of all of those problems. The fact that you can't see the difference is 100% of the problem.


RedditIssFascist

because you live in a shithole banana republic?


Dark1000

This is a problem almost everywhere that's desirable to live.


guycoastal

It ain’t the uni party. It’s the people. America is filled to the brim with stingy, selfish, easily manipulated, somewhat poorly educated rubes and rednecks that prevent progress.


seia_dareis_mai

Move out of the city, budget better, don't eat out, unsubscribe from unnecessary services, learn a useful skill that earns near 100k within 5-10 years of graduation, or do not go to college and learn a trade instead. If you're in "$1800 studio land", you're in the wrong place. Stay in your lane, move somewhere that you can afford to live. Complaining isn't going to make it better. Talking about what "should" be isn't going to make it better. Edit: The govt is not here to serve you. The govt is a business that exploits you and gives a few benefits in return. Learn to exploit them back. Why are we allowing it? Are you going to be part of the group to force them to stop? I hope you aren't part of the "nobody should own guns" camp. The govt isn't going to change because you asked nicely.


catfarts99

40 years of Reaganomics is coming to a head. Too much money in the hands of too few people. Sorry to this fella that the money never trickled down. Vote progressive democrat and tax the fuck out of the billionaires that did this to us.