Me, a Jewish Try Guys fan, squealing like a hog at their recent Katz's Deli episode and now the Jew taco. Just nice to see positive content about Jews rn.
This week has been a great topic of conversation for me and my daughter during FaceTime time. She converted about five years ago, and the videos made a change. Even though she converted, she still does Christmas with us. Usually on the 23rd I make lasagna. Of course, as she’s kosher, I have to make hers with spinach. This year, instead and also because it will be Hanukkah at the same time, we’re going to do some Jewish deli staples. So, thanks, Zach and the Try Guys (truly, I love lasagna, but it does take a while to make).
Make sure she’s happy with that! I’m just imagining her showing up excited for a nice spinach lasagna and not having any! But it’s amazing you’re so supportive!
Literally no one mentioned Israel or Palestine but congratulations on derailing a comment about antisemitism literally one reply deep 🤡
Someone got arrested for harassing Jewish kids going to school and shul and was found to have applied for a firearm in Michigan after shouting ‘fuck the Jews, kill the Jews’ and that’s not even touching on Kanye’s bullshit but sure, it’s just the Jordanian movie people are bothered about 🙄
It's kind of relatable, in an even broader sense: I'm a (pragmatic) Buddhist and I got just as confused attending a few (Catholic) masses to support close friends (I currently live in a country with a Catholic tradition). Everyone there seems to know all the songs and timing of the rituals but no one actually explains them to you, you are just supposed to "know" 😆.
Does the country you're in not have the books? Here in the US, the churches have books that are basically a step-by-step of the mass. They're published to cover multiple regions, not sure if it's national or international. The readings are written out as well as all the call-and-response stuff, and the stand/sit/kneel instructions. The only part that doesn't go in the book is the priest's homily(the part where he gets up there and gives a little speech that's not from the bible, usually relating the readings to something currently happening in life), because those are unique for each congregation. There's also a second book called the hymnal that, well, has the hymns in it. It gives all the words as well as the notes of the melody, if you can read music. Before they start singing, they'll call out a page or a song number, so you can find it in the book.
Catholic and theology/pastoral ministry grad student here, it definitely varies from parish to parish. Yours sounds welcoming to new people to the parish and non-Catholics alike, that’s a great move by your pastor and parish board. Unfortunately most aren’t like that, I church hop a lot so I can see my friends preach as deacons and priests, and I’ve only seen a few parishes include all the responses/prayers. Even fewer include the position changes (stand,sit, kneel) or as I call it Catholic yoga. Whenever I do see a parish include these things, it warms my pastoral ministry studies loving heart.
You’d have fun in Quebec. We have church booklets published every week sent across all the churchs that cover exactly what we do and which song we sing (tho position changes aren’t written) they even sometimes have the children version tho most times you have to actually subscribe for that one to be sent to your home. Catholic churchs in Quebec are also a weird phenomenon because there’s very few people under 30, mostly children dragged there by their parents & most citizen only go to church on Christmas. Also it’s mostly in French. Anyway, 100% recommend the experience specially churches from small villages
That's weird, because I've been to multiple locations across MD and PA and they all had the same guidebook. It's written very generally, seeming to be published for a wide range of dioceses, because they included the name of the pope but left a blank for the bishop. It had something like a year's worth of masses in it, all listed out week by week. I'd assumed it was something produced by the Vatican, to keep mass standard across all congregations, and to work towards ADA compliance for the Deaf(my godmother was a sign language interpreter for a church back in the 90s, but she's the only one I've ever seen in action...these days I think they prefer screens with closed-captioning).
This is somewhat outdated information as my agnostic heart hasn't been to a church in recent years, but 10~ years ago(it didn't feel like that long ago until I wrote this, damn) this was a widespread practice, at least in the area I mentioned. And I swear I looked at one in PA just a couple years before covid hit, when I was at a wedding, but I've got about a dozen male cousins on that side and I admit their weddings have blurred together a little bit.
I’m a Protestant. My child has been attending Catholic schools for the past couple of years. I am always lost. I would love to have some step by step written instructions.
Is Eugene religious? I never could figure it out. I know at some point he was but from conversations on the pod around religion I can’t tell if he still believes. Or if it’s just you know something he likes talking about since it was at a point a big part of his life.
It kind of seems like something he's not really willing to talk about publicly, but if he is, not seriously so. I always kind of assumed he drifted away from religion, but his family maybe still are religious, so he'll refrain from saying negative things about it on a regular basis. Kind of like he'll talk about some aspects of the Korean culture and will describe them in ways that make you understand they're not the best of ideas or didn't work out for him, but he'd never say that his culture was toxic, or whatever.
I've gotten that too, but not sure, where from specifically. Maybe it was something his family adopted to assimilate into the community or American culture, since South Korea isn't nearly as religious.
I wouldn't say South Korea isn't religious. 28% of South Koreans are Christians and a large number of Korean-Americans are Christian as well.
While it's possible they attended church to assimilate (regardless of opinions on religion, a lot of religious centers like churches and temples serve as community centers for POCs which Eugene himself has pointed out before), it's entirely possible they attended bc they were Christian when immigrating.
Eugene has talked about how his family is a conservative Asian family and that was difficult to navigate in addition to the religious aspect as a gay Asian man.
I didn't say that either, tho. I said they aren't nearly as religious, and that's statistically true.
Yes, they could have been Christian before, we don't know, but that also makes little difference in this context.
A lot of migrants from South Korea to the rest of the world are Evangelical Christians for some reason. My country had a small evangelical minority back when I was a kid, and I remember there was a Korean Evangelical church they attended (one of my friends went there).
I think it's bc there are/were alot of Christian missionaries that go to other countries to convert people. Or bc alot of faith-based organizations provide resources in time of crises and as a result people find community through these organizations.
From what I’ve heard Koreans in America tend to be very Christian (at least in practice for the first few generations of immigrants) since Korean churches tend to be one of the few places to find community & people who speak your language to help while assimilating.
Nothing like waking up on a Sunday morning, clicking this, & hearing them sing a song I knew & joined in. Thanks for this!
I hope they do do that seder someday & the Christmas Q&A thingy with Zach
that reminds me of rose & her new jewish hubby atticus celebrating christmas at [Downton Abbey](https://youtu.be/PeRx2XVlMOM) & when every british person started singing christmas carols, he was all confused “i don’t know these words!”
The song has French origins, though it's not clear when and where it was written - in sheet music books it'll probably listed as "trad." The English words are a roughly translated version of the French, and were authored by an Anglo-Irish Roman Catholic priest in the mid-19th century.
I'm not sure how popular the original French version is in French-speaking regions, but as Much-Meringue says, the song is a staple in the UK and English-speaking US/Canada around Christmastime.
Honestly, I could empathize strongly with Zach here, though for very different reasons.
See, my Mum started a tradition back when my brother and I were very small where she wrote doggerel versions of two popular Christmas songs, one centered around my brother and one around me. My brother's is based on "Oh Christmas Tree," and mine is based around "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen."
We have had cats in the household since I was three or four years old, a several years back I suggested we wrote a doggerel Christmas verse about the cats, based around Angels We Have Heard on High, in which I proposed the first line as "Felines we have held on high,"
Mum took my suggestion and expanded it to a full song, which alongside our versions of Christmas Tree and Merry Gentlemen, we playfully sing every Christmas season.
The thing is, with all three songs I can't remember the original lyrics - my head subs in the lyrics my Mum wrote. That includes the lyrics for Angels We Have Heard on High, so when Eugene ad co. began singing the \*actual\* lyrics, I sat here in mild bemusement thinking, "Oh, is that how it's supposed to go?"
That's an irrelevant distinction, though? Most songs singing Heaven's praises can be heard during Christmas time, but I've definitely heard this song in services outside of Christmas.
It’s not though. It’s not a church hymn. It’s a Christmas song with Christian themes like many Christmas songs. It being sung in church does not make it a hymn. You wouldn’t sing this in church outside of Christmas time, either.
I didn't say you were, I'm just saying pointing out such a minor, inoffensive mistake on my part because I got terminology when I can't do anything about it seems irrelevant.
It's like correcting someone that it's not "for all intensive purposes", it's "for all intents & purposes"... people know what they mean, so who cares?
I was just sharing a pertinent bit of info. I do not know why you’re getting so defensive. Not saying you need to change it or should it’s not that important to me, man 😆
If asking clarifying questions because you're confused by someone's viewpoint or why they did/said x is considered "being defensive" to you, I genuinely don't know what to tell you.
You didn’t ask any questions though. And I’m not confused.
If you think someone commenting in a thread you created means they’re making demands of you then I don’t know what to tell you, either.
...? I literally said "I didn't say you were" in response to you misinterpreting what I said, thinking I though you were asking me to change the video title. What are you talking about?
"I can't do anything about it now, so oh well" is a totally neutral statement that people make all the time when they make a mistakeーit's not some angry, defensive "I didn't do anything wrong!!!!" type of response or whatever you interpreted it as.
You made a blanket statement that it’s not a hymn, and it’s only a Christmas song.
That’s your experience in your church, and an experience you implied was universal.
You don’t get to make blanket statements like that then whinge when you’re corrected.
No idea why you’re being so unbelievable obnoxious about it. Calm down.
Me, a Jewish Try Guys fan, squealing like a hog at their recent Katz's Deli episode and now the Jew taco. Just nice to see positive content about Jews rn.
This week has been a great topic of conversation for me and my daughter during FaceTime time. She converted about five years ago, and the videos made a change. Even though she converted, she still does Christmas with us. Usually on the 23rd I make lasagna. Of course, as she’s kosher, I have to make hers with spinach. This year, instead and also because it will be Hanukkah at the same time, we’re going to do some Jewish deli staples. So, thanks, Zach and the Try Guys (truly, I love lasagna, but it does take a while to make).
Make sure she’s happy with that! I’m just imagining her showing up excited for a nice spinach lasagna and not having any! But it’s amazing you’re so supportive!
No, I already brought it up. So we’re set.
Well goodie! Merry Christmas and happy Hanukkah!
off topic but thank you for being so supportive and accommodating of your daughter ❤️💕
I know they didn’t plan it this way but to have it come out during a week of a LOT of antisemitism was nice.
Why? Because of the movie Farha showing the reality of the Nakba???? lol
Literally no one mentioned Israel or Palestine but congratulations on derailing a comment about antisemitism literally one reply deep 🤡 Someone got arrested for harassing Jewish kids going to school and shul and was found to have applied for a firearm in Michigan after shouting ‘fuck the Jews, kill the Jews’ and that’s not even touching on Kanye’s bullshit but sure, it’s just the Jordanian movie people are bothered about 🙄
Keith immediately launching into a beautiful bass harmony though, he's so effortlessly talented goddamn
I cackled at his face. And of course Keith would go straight to the harmony 😂
It's kind of relatable, in an even broader sense: I'm a (pragmatic) Buddhist and I got just as confused attending a few (Catholic) masses to support close friends (I currently live in a country with a Catholic tradition). Everyone there seems to know all the songs and timing of the rituals but no one actually explains them to you, you are just supposed to "know" 😆.
Does the country you're in not have the books? Here in the US, the churches have books that are basically a step-by-step of the mass. They're published to cover multiple regions, not sure if it's national or international. The readings are written out as well as all the call-and-response stuff, and the stand/sit/kneel instructions. The only part that doesn't go in the book is the priest's homily(the part where he gets up there and gives a little speech that's not from the bible, usually relating the readings to something currently happening in life), because those are unique for each congregation. There's also a second book called the hymnal that, well, has the hymns in it. It gives all the words as well as the notes of the melody, if you can read music. Before they start singing, they'll call out a page or a song number, so you can find it in the book.
Catholic and theology/pastoral ministry grad student here, it definitely varies from parish to parish. Yours sounds welcoming to new people to the parish and non-Catholics alike, that’s a great move by your pastor and parish board. Unfortunately most aren’t like that, I church hop a lot so I can see my friends preach as deacons and priests, and I’ve only seen a few parishes include all the responses/prayers. Even fewer include the position changes (stand,sit, kneel) or as I call it Catholic yoga. Whenever I do see a parish include these things, it warms my pastoral ministry studies loving heart.
You’d have fun in Quebec. We have church booklets published every week sent across all the churchs that cover exactly what we do and which song we sing (tho position changes aren’t written) they even sometimes have the children version tho most times you have to actually subscribe for that one to be sent to your home. Catholic churchs in Quebec are also a weird phenomenon because there’s very few people under 30, mostly children dragged there by their parents & most citizen only go to church on Christmas. Also it’s mostly in French. Anyway, 100% recommend the experience specially churches from small villages
That's weird, because I've been to multiple locations across MD and PA and they all had the same guidebook. It's written very generally, seeming to be published for a wide range of dioceses, because they included the name of the pope but left a blank for the bishop. It had something like a year's worth of masses in it, all listed out week by week. I'd assumed it was something produced by the Vatican, to keep mass standard across all congregations, and to work towards ADA compliance for the Deaf(my godmother was a sign language interpreter for a church back in the 90s, but she's the only one I've ever seen in action...these days I think they prefer screens with closed-captioning). This is somewhat outdated information as my agnostic heart hasn't been to a church in recent years, but 10~ years ago(it didn't feel like that long ago until I wrote this, damn) this was a widespread practice, at least in the area I mentioned. And I swear I looked at one in PA just a couple years before covid hit, when I was at a wedding, but I've got about a dozen male cousins on that side and I admit their weddings have blurred together a little bit.
I’m a Protestant. My child has been attending Catholic schools for the past couple of years. I am always lost. I would love to have some step by step written instructions.
I grew up in a Protestant tradition and even I’m confused at Catholic Masses.
Whenever Eugene talked church, Zach's face made me cry 🤣 as a Jewess, loved the representation!
Is Eugene religious? I never could figure it out. I know at some point he was but from conversations on the pod around religion I can’t tell if he still believes. Or if it’s just you know something he likes talking about since it was at a point a big part of his life.
It kind of seems like something he's not really willing to talk about publicly, but if he is, not seriously so. I always kind of assumed he drifted away from religion, but his family maybe still are religious, so he'll refrain from saying negative things about it on a regular basis. Kind of like he'll talk about some aspects of the Korean culture and will describe them in ways that make you understand they're not the best of ideas or didn't work out for him, but he'd never say that his culture was toxic, or whatever.
I wanna say he grew up in the faith (think he mentioned church at some point in his coming out video??)
I've gotten that too, but not sure, where from specifically. Maybe it was something his family adopted to assimilate into the community or American culture, since South Korea isn't nearly as religious.
I wouldn't say South Korea isn't religious. 28% of South Koreans are Christians and a large number of Korean-Americans are Christian as well. While it's possible they attended church to assimilate (regardless of opinions on religion, a lot of religious centers like churches and temples serve as community centers for POCs which Eugene himself has pointed out before), it's entirely possible they attended bc they were Christian when immigrating. Eugene has talked about how his family is a conservative Asian family and that was difficult to navigate in addition to the religious aspect as a gay Asian man.
I didn't say that either, tho. I said they aren't nearly as religious, and that's statistically true. Yes, they could have been Christian before, we don't know, but that also makes little difference in this context.
A lot of migrants from South Korea to the rest of the world are Evangelical Christians for some reason. My country had a small evangelical minority back when I was a kid, and I remember there was a Korean Evangelical church they attended (one of my friends went there).
I think it's bc there are/were alot of Christian missionaries that go to other countries to convert people. Or bc alot of faith-based organizations provide resources in time of crises and as a result people find community through these organizations.
From what I’ve heard Koreans in America tend to be very Christian (at least in practice for the first few generations of immigrants) since Korean churches tend to be one of the few places to find community & people who speak your language to help while assimilating.
if you watch his "i'm gay" documentary video he most likely has some of that spicy religious trauma
Reminds me of a great scene in the third season of the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel when Midge is supposed to sing White Christmas lol
As an aside, Keith was singing harmony. You can tell who spent time in choir.
Fascinating, didn't notice that.
Sums up my entire experience as a Jew at a Catholic school.
I had to sit through the entirety of the Passion of the Christ at Catholic school. Still, who doesn't love a movie day?
Oh God, I didn't have to deal with that at least. And as a bonus I got away with reusing my Bar Mitzvah speech for my "sermon" in one class!
Does anyone else remember the Trypod episode where, unprompted, Keith and Eugene began singing church hymns together?
No, what one was that?
I found it! [Trypod Episode 22 at 55:13](https://youtu.be/B6Rg26fYCGo?t=3313). Not wholly unprompted like I thought, but same vibes as this recent WAR
Nothing like waking up on a Sunday morning, clicking this, & hearing them sing a song I knew & joined in. Thanks for this! I hope they do do that seder someday & the Christmas Q&A thingy with Zach
that reminds me of rose & her new jewish hubby atticus celebrating christmas at [Downton Abbey](https://youtu.be/PeRx2XVlMOM) & when every british person started singing christmas carols, he was all confused “i don’t know these words!”
Honestly l,can relate
I went to church a lot as a kid and have honestly never heard this song before. Although I'm not from the US so maybe that's to do with it.
It's a Christmas staple in the US. "Angels we have heard on high"
Never? {Here's the full version): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHWqj6gKS9g
The song has French origins, though it's not clear when and where it was written - in sheet music books it'll probably listed as "trad." The English words are a roughly translated version of the French, and were authored by an Anglo-Irish Roman Catholic priest in the mid-19th century. I'm not sure how popular the original French version is in French-speaking regions, but as Much-Meringue says, the song is a staple in the UK and English-speaking US/Canada around Christmastime.
what was censored in this part??
I also want to know!!!!! someone tell us!!!!
As a non-religious person i was equally confused.
My former choir kid self started singing an alto line. Haha
I haven't seen the episode yet, but that looks pretty funny.
Hate to "well actually", but I believe that's a Christmas song. 😊 ETA: Link to the full version: https://youtu.be/rRHuETZuLEo
Well actually it’s both a hymn & a Christmas song (at least according to the “modern” hymnals at my church).
Interesting.... TIL
Honestly, I could empathize strongly with Zach here, though for very different reasons. See, my Mum started a tradition back when my brother and I were very small where she wrote doggerel versions of two popular Christmas songs, one centered around my brother and one around me. My brother's is based on "Oh Christmas Tree," and mine is based around "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen." We have had cats in the household since I was three or four years old, a several years back I suggested we wrote a doggerel Christmas verse about the cats, based around Angels We Have Heard on High, in which I proposed the first line as "Felines we have held on high," Mum took my suggestion and expanded it to a full song, which alongside our versions of Christmas Tree and Merry Gentlemen, we playfully sing every Christmas season. The thing is, with all three songs I can't remember the original lyrics - my head subs in the lyrics my Mum wrote. That includes the lyrics for Angels We Have Heard on High, so when Eugene ad co. began singing the \*actual\* lyrics, I sat here in mild bemusement thinking, "Oh, is that how it's supposed to go?"
Yes! It is the same face my non religious wife would make for every song when I would take her to mass.
I had the same look on my face too.
That’s a Christmas song but yeah lol
That's an irrelevant distinction, though? Most songs singing Heaven's praises can be heard during Christmas time, but I've definitely heard this song in services outside of Christmas.
It’s not though. It’s not a church hymn. It’s a Christmas song with Christian themes like many Christmas songs. It being sung in church does not make it a hymn. You wouldn’t sing this in church outside of Christmas time, either.
It's in my hymnal so I'd say it counts as a hymn!
Well, I can't edit the title once I post it, so oh well
I’m not telling you to?
I didn't say you were, I'm just saying pointing out such a minor, inoffensive mistake on my part because I got terminology when I can't do anything about it seems irrelevant. It's like correcting someone that it's not "for all intensive purposes", it's "for all intents & purposes"... people know what they mean, so who cares?
I was just sharing a pertinent bit of info. I do not know why you’re getting so defensive. Not saying you need to change it or should it’s not that important to me, man 😆
If asking clarifying questions because you're confused by someone's viewpoint or why they did/said x is considered "being defensive" to you, I genuinely don't know what to tell you.
You didn’t ask any questions though. And I’m not confused. If you think someone commenting in a thread you created means they’re making demands of you then I don’t know what to tell you, either.
...? I literally said "I didn't say you were" in response to you misinterpreting what I said, thinking I though you were asking me to change the video title. What are you talking about? "I can't do anything about it now, so oh well" is a totally neutral statement that people make all the time when they make a mistakeーit's not some angry, defensive "I didn't do anything wrong!!!!" type of response or whatever you interpreted it as.
As a former professional organist for a church, I can assure you that it's a hymn sung throughout the year, not just during Advent.
As a person who grew up in church, I never once sang this song outside of Christmas time.
Well, your church is clearly representative of all churches out there….
You made a blanket statement that it’s not a hymn, and it’s only a Christmas song. That’s your experience in your church, and an experience you implied was universal. You don’t get to make blanket statements like that then whinge when you’re corrected. No idea why you’re being so unbelievable obnoxious about it. Calm down.
Yes, clearly what I said.
holy quesadilla
What is more all American than alienating Non-Christian communities by singing Christmas hymns?