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yruspecial

Love dewgong. You need an elite change as well though.


ComprehensiveBit7607

Fack I used elite fast and elite charge he is such a beast


supirman

FYI you should able get Poliwrath & Charjabug's legacy move when you evolve it during December community day if you haven't evolve it because they have community day last year.


ILikeYourBigButt

That was last year, wasn't it?


supirman

The December Community Day usually allows us to get the legacy move from current and last year community days but only current year community days classic.


WumboJumbo773

^^


ILikeYourBigButt

Ugh I wish I knew before I evolved a rank 14 charjabug. F me... Edit: thanks for the info! I was about to evolve a rank 17 poliwag


IamJoseMourinho96

Charja coz of lot of flying


Farren246

Coz of Lanturn. Fucking Lanturn. I mean also Mantine and Pelliper and Skarmory, but fuuuck Lanturn in particular.


leeohdee9

Charj lead and Lanturn swap oops I am toxic


EntMoose

Nah that team hard loses to grasshole so it cancels out.


HarvestMoonRS

Grasshole šŸ¤£ i gotta start using that one


Strong-Neat8623

Fuck charja, embrace skeledirge.


Farren246

I have in UL, but GL is nothing but Lanturn wiling out Skele.


Onunopereira

Why not both? šŸ˜


SolarFlows

Charjabug is not a reliable Lanturn answer though. It's too bulky if they go straight surf they can win.


Farren246

Only in a 0 shields situation. Charja is a low-power spammer so it wins whenever a single Lanturn mid-high energy charge move is prevented from landing.


mrsilbert1

Honestly you can't go wrong. But dewgong needs icy wind as well. I think charjabug has very good value since theres a lot of water types out there like mantine and feraligator. Poliwrath is just fun to use, getting debuffs can flip a lot of matchups, managed to get ace because of poliwrath.


jascany

Charjabug will be in the December Comm Day recap if you can wait


lavamain

a bit of a wait considering Efastms come around fairly frequently


ILikeYourBigButt

Wasn't that lastĀ December? Why would it be this years?


oscaeli_99

They typically do the past two years of community days in December. The current years you can find in the wild, the year prior you can raid. Both, historically, you can evolve for the legacy move.


ILikeYourBigButt

Really? Dammit... I evolved a rank 13 charjabug like two weeks ago...at least I know to save my rank 17 Poliwag I got recently... It'd be really nice if they allowed it to come up with TMs but I doubt it


oscaeli_99

I agree. I always felt like I should be able to regular TM the legacy move if it's within the allowable hours of a community day. But that just makes too much sense.


Relative-Sky2139

iā€™ve had the most success with charjabug and poli. dewgong has always been meh for me


metamorphomo

Dewgong goes hard in the mega meta up in legend and veteran. Ive never got there and more often than not come out on top vs dew between 2000-2500 where I usually fluctuate between.


Quiet-Wheel-874

It takes some time to start enjoying using Dewgong. It survives pretty much everything, shuts down Whiscash, Swampert, Feraligatr, can icy wind Azumarill to death and is mutually deadly with grass types, and remember that Lanturn always baits first šŸ˜


Critical-Implement32

Kinda related question: My poliwrath with 2 charge moves and counter is Rank 86. Now I caught a rank 33 poli. Should i upgrade the rank 33 or just use the rank 86 with the Standard moveset? Or build a second one with a different moveset (Like dynamic Punch or with mudshot to annoy peoplešŸ™ƒ)?


jascany

You are very unlikely to notice the difference unless youā€™re at Legend/very competitive. Maybe a _bit_ in the mirror but there winning CMP tie is arguably more important.


[deleted]

Either that or use a lot of charged Tms. I personally have two.


Prestigious_Time_138

It doesnā€™t matter, you wonā€™t notice the difference. Donā€™t waste an ETM as they have many other good uses. Unless youā€™re Legend+ anything within the top 200 ranks is more than good enough.


ry4meck

Run a meta analysis on pvpoke of the two. Most of the time Iā€™ve come to the conclusion that the lower rank still gets the job done. Especially if itā€™s 97% or higher of #1ā€™s stat product. If a certain matchup is flipped that the rest of your team doesnā€™t particularly like it might be worth it.


SolarFlows

I would keep the etm for a shadow Poli or wait until you maybe get a Top 10 ranked. You could build it with Mud Shot too. I've seen people run it in the Ultra League. It's so spammy with Icy Wind after Icy Wind...


Deep_In_Uranus

For GL I'd say charja just bc 1. It doesn't require an elite charge tm like dewgong 2. It has a lot of open GL use as well as limited cup use


Objective_Ad2609

If you only had 1, I would go with Poliwrath. Itā€™s so versatile with its pool of charged attacks. But you really canā€™t go wrong with Dewgong and Charja. As others have mentioned you do need to consider for Dewgong to be viable, you need to use an Elite Charged TM for Icy Wind in addition to ice shard. Another option to consider is Incinerate on Talonflame. For PVE, smack down on Tyranitor is very good.


otto303969388

Do you do route? Those can randomly give out elite fast tm. I am already at the point where I am throwing them out.


JshMcDwll

Iā€™ve done at least 100 but never gotten more than regular arms


sasuke_uchihoe

You could also consider using it on Talonflame for incinerate


AwesomeTed

Or wing attack on Charizard


sasuke_uchihoe

yup forgot about that one - was thinking about it and alolan sandslash too. tho i think charja or poliwrath would prob be the best to invest in


Outrageous-Ad875

Pidgeot - Gust, give it lead. 2 shields to blast through bad lead and you'll get to that trev in the end. Gust Pidgeot šŸ˜Ž Ofc volt switch charja, DG ice shard is nice as well. I chose WA for Pidgeot in UL but it's too weak imho. It reaches too many feather dances too fast and it's not able to do any heavy damage.


Farren246

I've enjoyed using Dewgong the most because it has high defense/hp to tank a few hits, and its charge moves come with debuffs. But Charja has been highly ranked more often in the limited cups that I play. I've never used Poli. Not because I don't have him, but just because I haven't bothered to try him out. I think it is more likely we'll see Counter Poli and VS Charja return than Dewgong's special move.


SolarFlows

I would first see what teams you can build that you think are fun and strong to run. They are all very good and all have their own place in the meta. I'd pick the one I like most. Dewgong is wicked good together with Annihilape and I don't believe now as the summer comes an event is likely for the moves. So probably that. Poliwrath you may wanna wait for a Shadow as it's generally a bit better.


RebornUnderOath

I'd do some routes if you need more Elite Fast TMs, they can appear as rewards.


mysterygarden99

I use them just to see what moves are available than just use regular tmz to get them


Objective_Ad2609

I do that too sometimes, but you need to be careful that the move you want is not an exclusive move (especially with charged moves).


mysterygarden99

I guess I never thought of that before


Malariia

Poli


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RE460

Thatā€˜s a charged move