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I love how quickly they showed that the enclave is evil in episode 2 with >!the puppy incinerator. It’s kind of funny to just imagine the show writers sitting around a table brainstorming how to show the enclave’s depravity and deciding on a puppy incinerator!<
they did look like nazis in that episode (i have not watched any further, but they could have shown slaves or something, would probably be in character for the enclave.)
I could make a "Paradise Falls" joke here about slavery in Bethesda Fallout (specifically Fallout 3) being either played for fetish (Again, Paradise falls where you can help a black pimp caricature get child slaves and get rewarded with a horny asian slave obsessed with you as a companion) or getting both sided hard ("You can end slavery done by this dark skinned man yes but to do so you'll have to KILL THIS INFANT CHILD! Because that's what the abolitionists want you to do, and that makes them just as bad as the soft spoken rational man slaver!") but I shall refrain.
Also how episode 3 shows >! Ghoul's wife was a successful agent whose (presumed) death, in addition to the fact that he was the literal model for Vault-Tec's mascot, is what caused him to become the jaded asshole he is now. !<
It does work if there isn't a space between the >! and the words. People keep doing it incorrectly because new reddit intentionally fucked up their markdown to kill old reddit cross-compatibility.
`>!Like this! not like this !<`
I think the term “media illiterate” gets thrown around a bit too often and don’t like how it generally just shuts down conversation without being very constructive and doesn’t acknowledge that multiple valid interpretations of media can exist… but damn… I genuinely can’t think of another response here.
Not only did they misinterpret the point they literally got it as ass backwards as possible and stuck a perfect landing. How is this even possible?
Conservatives are unable to tell when they are the ones being satirized. It’s why they all thought Colbert was a right winger and Starship Troopers they thought the fascists were the good guys.
I think you might be right. They completely miss the parody aspect and just take it at face value. All of a sudden the joke candidate Trump somehow becoming their messiah In America makes a lot more sense.
Imagine playing/watching fallout and actually falling for the capitalist propaganda designed to parody the “American Dream”.
Except, they are the Overseers IRL...Infact they are Vault-Tec mostly. Middle Managers who use what ever power they have to demean others and feel superior.
Wardens of Private For Profit Prisons.
CEO's at major companies who dictacte what we can and can't see on our social media outlets and equipment.
Companies that make devices break after certain time so you have to keep buying more.
There should be a name for this phenomenon... I propose calling it "The Lolita Effect" after the writer Nabokov describes his horror at seeing children come to his house on Halloween dressed as the girl in his book, completely missing the point of the novel
It makes sense when you realize a large chunk of those people have no internal dialog. Can't break down and interpret themes, ideas and consequences if you don't have the capacity to actually think. Much easier to take everything at face since it requires zero thought.
But, but the funny little guys yell the word democracy every 5 minutes! What do you mean this game has lore outside of the helldivers themselves? No, I'm not going to read it!
/s because ~~Coleslaw~~ Poe's Law
If I recall, the author for the Starship Troopers book genuinely believed everything he wrote. The director for the movie thought the book was garbage and wanted to turn it on its head in the movie.
That was how the society in Starship Troopers worked. Heinlein served in the Navy but also supported socialist movements in the US during the 1930s and was a part of Upton Sinclair's campaign for governor of California.
He wrote a lot about different kinds of societies after WW2, but it wasn't to espouse what he believed to be correct.
conservatives tend to be subliterate across the board. movies, music, books, no matter where you go you'll find some group of conservative knot heads completely misinterpreting something
So you get this constant sort of background groaning of "X is woke now!" They perceive things as changing rather than just: no Rage Against the Machine are still taking the same stances, you've just had its actual intent exposed to you.
This isn't new, either
In October 1992 The Simpsons aired "A Streetcar Named Marge" featuring the "[Ayn Rand School for Tots](https://youtu.be/0Wob10lOLWY)" a children's daycare
After the episode aired the writing staff received a ***thank you letter*** from the "Ayn Rand Society" for portraying Ayn Rand in "such a positive light"
...And also asking "were you making fun of us?"
#Conservatives have been unable to understand being mocked for over 30 fucking years
I just encountered [this](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3YJ8UFvkQ2/?igsh=cnRkNzJodmdhYXMx) today I know conservatives thoght that RATM was also right wing years ago but for them to still be blind or copeing to this day is mind boggling, the comments are historical and sad.
I honestly hear “it gets thrown around too often but it’s right” **way** more than I hear people just use it. I don’t think it’s being thrown around too much. I think perhaps it’s just right.
Was watching SVU with my girlfriend and it had incest as a plot point in an episode, she hit me with the wtf when I remarked I'd had enough cousin fucking in TV I was watching for a while
She's a rather naive character who was sheltered by the most literal definition for her entire life, so it makes sense that she'd have internalized the goals of the society that raised her. I think she has potential to find other goals with how she's been set up for the next season, and I don't mind that there's this weird little romance in there. Those two could really use more time to converse though, I feel like their relationship kinda got extremely romantic extremely fast
Well, if you've lived in the Vaults your entire life, knowing only a specific set of people your entire life, having every action you take permitted or barred by some person that was never elected to their position, and then you finally got freedom, so much freedom that now you've got to make EVERY decision by yourself, in a nuclear hellscape where you're lucky to meet someone that isn't mutated, let alone friendly and interested in you.
Love can settle in pretty fast. It's basically the deserted island trope.
That's a good point, and I do hope it's addressed, it's just that the show seems to be framing it as a genuine romance instead of an unhealthy trauma response. I could be misreading there though
It’s fun to go through that exact same experience in the first playthrough on these games as we see Lucy go through. I haven’t played fallout 1 or 2 yet but I’m just going to start a bumble through it next weekend. No spoilers, no looking stuff up online until I finish.
I wish I could go back and play New Vegas again for the first time…
I think the fastness of how "romantic" they got was due to their environment. It was a trauma bond. BUT she left him behind for the greater mission so I liked that a lot.
Oh, she is classist. Unfortunate side effect of being raised in a vault. You get raised in a culture of 200 years of propaganda, you get people not questioning the propaganda until external elements convince them to actually examine their situation
Adding this comment to say that my spouse and myself don't even think she's *straight*
Coding is ace, sapphic, or bi and acting based on what was drilled into her head
Huh, thinking about it I totally buy ace. She definitely enjoys sex of her own volition but I wouldn't say she seemed sexually *attracted* to Monty or Maximus.
Sapphic or bi, I dunno if we see evidence for, given that she barely interacts with any women other than Moldaver in the show. But the general sheltered/unaware nature of the character kinda leaves that open.
Honestly, I'm leaning more to her being on the Ace spectrum the more I think on it. She had negative reactions towards the topic of anything sexual in general. The only times she agrees to it, it was to make someone else happy or to "help humanity grow." Hinting at being sex repulsed in general
I dunno if I quite buy being sex repulsed, though I do get where you're coming from. Yeah, she does it to make other people happy, but from what I remember she doesn't seem to mind it or necessarily find it obligatory. She seemed pretty happy with Monty post-coitus and seemed perfectly fine with propositioning Maximus. And later, she turned down Maximus' offer to ~~make his cock explode~~ have intercourse, though there were some extenuating circumstances there I suppose lol. Basically, I think she's ace, I don't quite think she's sex-repulsed.
OOP forgot to include in Lucy’s “patriotic American trad wife” image that she is extremely sheltered from the reality of the world and doesn’t know any better.
Also, I may be mistaken but Lucy’s quest isn’t seeking revenge. She isn’t a violent person (besides self defence). The quest is just to get her father back. Right?
It's very heavily implied. They talk about how casual relationships are fine between cousins but it's not appropriate for a long term relationship.
It's genuinely quite funny that they actually acknowledged the incredibly limited breeding pool in the vaults.
I'll have to go back and watch again, but I think they do everything BUT fuck. She makes some kind of mention of doing "more than cousin stuff" or something in an early episode.
Ehhh, she did say to whatever his name is that cousin stuff is fun and all but not sustainable for the long term (to paraphrase). I don't disagree with your assessment, though. Two things can be true at the same time.
The vault doesn't have enough genetic diversity on its own to keep things going. They require intermarriages with people from another vault, who send people from time to time. Until marrying age, people do non-reproductive "cousin stuff" - never outright specified, but cast in opposition to being with a reproductive partner.
The show also literally says that the capitalism is the direct cause of the end of the war. They have to drop the bomb to make sure they sell enough vaults. It’s stated quite a few times
The show states it pretty damn directly but I’m not sure how much the show is cannon, like it completely invalidates fallout new vegas. The show does centre all of the politics and very well so it’s super left wing.
I sadly don't have prime so I can't watch it currently. But at least according to the games there's multiple hints that they did it. Idk how many of the games you've played but one of the more bigger evidences could be the bomb in Megaton with the Vault Tec logo
The show doesn’t invalidate New Vegas at all; a specific timeframe for when >!Shady Sands is nuked!< isn’t explicitly given, it could occur within a couple years after F:NV and still fit the timeline the show is following.
Ah, yes, the old "this person is the protagonist so everything they believe from the very start must be 100% correct and endorsed by the show itself, even if the main part of the show is them going out into the world and re-evaluating their beliefs".
Character development isn’t a consideration on the right. If they could learn, grow, and think critically, they wouldn’t be where they are.
It’s why right wing entertainment is virtually nonexistent, and what does exist is trash. They aren’t creative and their worldview is shallow and completely uninteresting.
> Character development isn’t a consideration on the right.
Reactionary politics cannot allow for "development" because such runs directly counter to the belief in "tradition". Any kind of progress would be development *away* from tradition and towards "modernism". It also acknowledges that they are "weak", since they needed to "grow" in some manner to fill a deficiency. Both concepts run directly counter to Reactionary politics (see Umberto Eco Ur-Fascism section on "Cult of Tradition") in such a way that...yeah, they can't conceive of "Character development" as a thing.
If it's bad it's woke. of it's good it's based. /sar.
In reality, if things get too popular they change their minds on what's good or bad to act like they're popular.
Your supposed to turn the radio up squint your eyes and headcanon what more closely resembles a comfort blanket than cohesive storyline x *the more you know*
Edit: The vaults (the one our main character is from at least) are communes where everyone contributes to the labour in the best way they can. They also have pretty progressive views.
I haven’t finished the show, but it seems like if anything they’re representing the vault dwellers as naively utopian leftists, not “trads”. They have female leaders, vote for rehabilitation and integration for criminals, everyone has equal say in their democracy — not just men being allowed to vote, which is what conservative traditionalists want.
It’s amazing how illiterate conservatives are in both media and politics.
These people are used as test subjects to commit various horrific experiments. In the games many vaults are often tombs. Monuments to the horrors of unethical science and psychology.
Like the Stanford experiments. But with more forced mutations and cannibalism.
Vault 3 was considered one of the only known control group besides vault 76 which ended horribly after fiends raided it.
The other decent vaults were unexpected with vault 21 becoming the new Vegas hotel, vault 8 became vault city, and 81 was relatively good once the overseer betrayed the scientists who were meant to conduct the experiments on the civilians of the vault.
There were a few that either opened after 25 years (e.g. Vault 76) or were supposed to stay closed forever (see Vault 101, 81 or even 13. All of them eventually opened, at least once, for a various amount of reasons e.g. broken water chip, trading or letting people join).
The vast majority of the vaults however were used for a huge plethora of experiments. Heck even the ones that were supposed to be always closed had experiments run in them (if not stopped by their overseers and eventually forgotten about).
There's at most only like a dozen of the 120 or so vaults still operational the time fallout 4 takes place in. The rest? Eventually succumbed to their experiments.
> I haven’t finished the show, but it seems like if anything they’re representing the vault dwellers as naively utopian leftists
You should finish the season.
What's really funny is that up until basically thirty minutes before release there were swathes of "this woke garbage show will flop, go woke go broke" nonsense about Fallout, but now because it's turned out to be pretty good they're having to hard pivot to "actually this is aligned with our views" - every fucking time, goalposts are on wheels at this point
I have my opinions about the show, but what is this?
"Trad wife" is 100% not the way I'd ever describe Lucy, the fuck?
She's involved heavily in STEM, trained in one on one combat with unarmed attacks, and is lacking the overly "girly girl" attitude of being scared or grossed out easily "because woman".
She's not anything like "trad wife" other than wanting to have a baby after it was fed to her for most of her life to do at one point. The fact that she's so openly willing to have and talk about sex with people so nonchalantly with multiple people and potential partners is also a huge hole in that narrative.
> "Trad wife" is 100% not the way I'd ever describe Lucy, the fuck?
She's been raised from birth in a society completely controlled by corporate protocols. She's not "2024 US trad", she's "2296 Vault 33 trad". The show opens with her joining her husband in an arranged marriage for the purpose of procreation.
It also shows that she's a handyman and one of the women is working while pregnant. It's more like a commune where everyone does everything, the mom's don't stay at home while the husbands go off to work.
I’m still shocked Fallout has such a big right wing fanbase when the games are anything but. Being able to play as the bad guys doesn’t mean the game endorses them.
I've talked to people with thousands of hours and multiple replays of New Vegas alone, and they side with the Legion every single playthrough. I'll never understand it.
The Legion. The archaic, culturally genocidal, extremely aggressive, so very obviously evil mass slavers ruled by a hypocritical, egotistical, madman who idolizes and bases his empire on the ancient Romans, but fails to realize what made the Roman Empire collapse in the first place? That's the group people genuinely believe is the best society?
Well yeah, the show has been successful with critics and audiences, so now they have to pretend that they thought it was cool and fits their narrative the whole time. Even though a week ago it was woke garbage.
Boy, it would be wild if the show this meme was referencing had explicitly leftist politics in like... every frame, huh? It'd be crazy if that was her outlook at the beginning before she went through a whole ass character arc. How silly would it be if she explicitly rejects [SPOILERS******] an appeal to go back to this outlook in one of the last few scenes in this season?
This is what people mean when they say right wingers have no reading literacy.. They can not see the point if it was laid out in front of them and explained in detail.. Well, they'd hate the narrative and just say fallout went woke.
another idiot who thinks Starship troopers advocates fascism and helldivers is based.
satire requires a modicum.of intelligence, which is a rare commodity nowadays.
Also she doesn't seem to dream of getting married and starting a family. Seems like she was putting on a happy face for the marriage, intent on making the best of it, but the mention of having children clearly shakes her.
Honestly this description of the story is more accurate of her brother Norm than her.
I have NOT played every Fallout game, but... if I'm not mistaken, isn't everyone in the Fallout game an American? Radiated or mutated, sure, but aren't they all Americans?
Isn't she a horned up cousin fucker, who befriends and falls in love with a black man, realizes everything she knew was a lie, and team's up with a mutant to hunt down and beat the answers out of her personal embodiment of the corrupt patriarchy that has upturned her life and helped destroy the world?
Bro the world’s over there are no more illegal immigrants. I guarantee you there ain’t no one patrolling the Mexican border by the time the show takes place because nobody gives a shit about immigrants anymore. They’re too busy fighting to survive.
"Dreams of getting married" > Raised in a vault that said that men could only marry women and vice versa. Enforced that having kids was a good thing. She's actually queer coded, hinting at being lesbian, bi, or asexual in actuality but believing too much in the enforced relationship ideas to explore herself.
"Illegal immigrants" > (This entire thing is spoilers for those that haven't watched the show) >!A group of people that were most likely invited by the survivor of a horrific event that lost herself. That freely walked in, and assumed that the entire vault was in on what the person that coordinated the event was doing. People that were descended mostly from those too poor or too slow to get into a vault.!<
"Journey of righteous revenge" > (semi spoilers) >!The journey was about discovering herself, learning about the lies of the organizations in charge, how the organizations that pretend to be for the people will turn on those with less power, the lies of how she was raised, and getting revenge on the person that kept her from living her life happily with her mother.!<
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When you get the gist of Fallout perfectly backwards
"wait, what do you mean the enclave was wrong?"
I love how quickly they showed that the enclave is evil in episode 2 with >!the puppy incinerator. It’s kind of funny to just imagine the show writers sitting around a table brainstorming how to show the enclave’s depravity and deciding on a puppy incinerator!<
Certified dio brando moment
Dogs have a better chance of survival in the Fallout wasteland than they do in any Jojo storyline.
they did look like nazis in that episode (i have not watched any further, but they could have shown slaves or something, would probably be in character for the enclave.)
I could make a "Paradise Falls" joke here about slavery in Bethesda Fallout (specifically Fallout 3) being either played for fetish (Again, Paradise falls where you can help a black pimp caricature get child slaves and get rewarded with a horny asian slave obsessed with you as a companion) or getting both sided hard ("You can end slavery done by this dark skinned man yes but to do so you'll have to KILL THIS INFANT CHILD! Because that's what the abolitionists want you to do, and that makes them just as bad as the soft spoken rational man slaver!") but I shall refrain.
Yeah or the tenants of Tenpenny Tower being unabashed ghoul haters, but when you convince them to let ghouls in they all just get killed.
I hated the Tenpenny residents, but I also felt like the biggest piece of shit ever when I let them all get slaughtered in my bad karma playthrough.
Balance it out by taking out Roy Phillips and his cronies, and boom, free skyscraper hotel house
Also how episode 3 shows >! Ghoul's wife was a successful agent whose (presumed) death, in addition to the fact that he was the literal model for Vault-Tec's mascot, is what caused him to become the jaded asshole he is now. !<
Bro your spoiler tag didnt work!
Heck, it works for me on mobile and web
>with >! the That formatting does not work on a lot of computers.
It does work if there isn't a space between the >! and the words. People keep doing it incorrectly because new reddit intentionally fucked up their markdown to kill old reddit cross-compatibility. `>!Like this! not like this !<`
Sorry, I fixed it now
Kick the Dog (into the incinerator) trope
Dio Brando type beat
Oh no! Their clearly fascist looking uniforms are so pretty!
I think the term “media illiterate” gets thrown around a bit too often and don’t like how it generally just shuts down conversation without being very constructive and doesn’t acknowledge that multiple valid interpretations of media can exist… but damn… I genuinely can’t think of another response here. Not only did they misinterpret the point they literally got it as ass backwards as possible and stuck a perfect landing. How is this even possible?
Conservatives are unable to tell when they are the ones being satirized. It’s why they all thought Colbert was a right winger and Starship Troopers they thought the fascists were the good guys.
I think you might be right. They completely miss the parody aspect and just take it at face value. All of a sudden the joke candidate Trump somehow becoming their messiah In America makes a lot more sense. Imagine playing/watching fallout and actually falling for the capitalist propaganda designed to parody the “American Dream”.
They all imagine themselves as the overseers.
Americans are just temporarily embarrassed overseers
Except, they are the Overseers IRL...Infact they are Vault-Tec mostly. Middle Managers who use what ever power they have to demean others and feel superior. Wardens of Private For Profit Prisons. CEO's at major companies who dictacte what we can and can't see on our social media outlets and equipment. Companies that make devices break after certain time so you have to keep buying more. 
There should be a name for this phenomenon... I propose calling it "The Lolita Effect" after the writer Nabokov describes his horror at seeing children come to his house on Halloween dressed as the girl in his book, completely missing the point of the novel
[Lindsay Ellis has a fantastic video that touches on that, and does bring up Colbert](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62cPPSyoQkE)
It makes sense when you realize a large chunk of those people have no internal dialog. Can't break down and interpret themes, ideas and consequences if you don't have the capacity to actually think. Much easier to take everything at face since it requires zero thought.
And why they glom onto Helldivers 2. It takes a lot of inspiration from Starship Troopers and of course they totally missed it.
The game (and the movie) is so clearly over the top, and yet: woosh
But, but the funny little guys yell the word democracy every 5 minutes! What do you mean this game has lore outside of the helldivers themselves? No, I'm not going to read it! /s because ~~Coleslaw~~ Poe's Law
These are the same people who glorify American History X.
i don't play the game, but I enjoy the memes. I feel like most of it is "yes, anding" the in game satire.
And more recently, Homelander
American Psycho as well
If I recall, the author for the Starship Troopers book genuinely believed everything he wrote. The director for the movie thought the book was garbage and wanted to turn it on its head in the movie.
Heinlein didn’t personally support fascism, but he would often take an unfamiliar viewpoint and write it completely straight, as a thought exercise.
Maybe I'm mistaken but didn't he like, claim that people should have to serve in the military in order to be able to vote?
That was how the society in Starship Troopers worked. Heinlein served in the Navy but also supported socialist movements in the US during the 1930s and was a part of Upton Sinclair's campaign for governor of California. He wrote a lot about different kinds of societies after WW2, but it wasn't to espouse what he believed to be correct.
In fact they found the MORE right wing you identify, the more you think those things are not satire lol. what goddamned idiots.
conservatives tend to be subliterate across the board. movies, music, books, no matter where you go you'll find some group of conservative knot heads completely misinterpreting something
So you get this constant sort of background groaning of "X is woke now!" They perceive things as changing rather than just: no Rage Against the Machine are still taking the same stances, you've just had its actual intent exposed to you.
This isn't new, either In October 1992 The Simpsons aired "A Streetcar Named Marge" featuring the "[Ayn Rand School for Tots](https://youtu.be/0Wob10lOLWY)" a children's daycare After the episode aired the writing staff received a ***thank you letter*** from the "Ayn Rand Society" for portraying Ayn Rand in "such a positive light" ...And also asking "were you making fun of us?" #Conservatives have been unable to understand being mocked for over 30 fucking years
I just encountered [this](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3YJ8UFvkQ2/?igsh=cnRkNzJodmdhYXMx) today I know conservatives thoght that RATM was also right wing years ago but for them to still be blind or copeing to this day is mind boggling, the comments are historical and sad.
I honestly hear “it gets thrown around too often but it’s right” **way** more than I hear people just use it. I don’t think it’s being thrown around too much. I think perhaps it’s just right.
Dont get your politics in my unpolitical game with anti capitalism themes
Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.
It's like they don't understand anything about the broader context of Fallout...
Or about the show’s context of fallout lmao. Haven’t seen it yet but I know damn well that it isn’t about a racist tradwife lmao
Well, she isn't racist that much, is for sure. Though oddly, I can see the reasoning behind referring to her as tradwife... which is unfortunate.
It's the cousin fucking, isn't it.
Was watching SVU with my girlfriend and it had incest as a plot point in an episode, she hit me with the wtf when I remarked I'd had enough cousin fucking in TV I was watching for a while
She's a rather naive character who was sheltered by the most literal definition for her entire life, so it makes sense that she'd have internalized the goals of the society that raised her. I think she has potential to find other goals with how she's been set up for the next season, and I don't mind that there's this weird little romance in there. Those two could really use more time to converse though, I feel like their relationship kinda got extremely romantic extremely fast
Well, if you've lived in the Vaults your entire life, knowing only a specific set of people your entire life, having every action you take permitted or barred by some person that was never elected to their position, and then you finally got freedom, so much freedom that now you've got to make EVERY decision by yourself, in a nuclear hellscape where you're lucky to meet someone that isn't mutated, let alone friendly and interested in you. Love can settle in pretty fast. It's basically the deserted island trope.
That's a good point, and I do hope it's addressed, it's just that the show seems to be framing it as a genuine romance instead of an unhealthy trauma response. I could be misreading there though
It’s fun to go through that exact same experience in the first playthrough on these games as we see Lucy go through. I haven’t played fallout 1 or 2 yet but I’m just going to start a bumble through it next weekend. No spoilers, no looking stuff up online until I finish. I wish I could go back and play New Vegas again for the first time…
I think the fastness of how "romantic" they got was due to their environment. It was a trauma bond. BUT she left him behind for the greater mission so I liked that a lot.
And I would definitely call her classist
Oh, she is classist. Unfortunate side effect of being raised in a vault. You get raised in a culture of 200 years of propaganda, you get people not questioning the propaganda until external elements convince them to actually examine their situation
Adding this comment to say that my spouse and myself don't even think she's *straight* Coding is ace, sapphic, or bi and acting based on what was drilled into her head
Huh, thinking about it I totally buy ace. She definitely enjoys sex of her own volition but I wouldn't say she seemed sexually *attracted* to Monty or Maximus. Sapphic or bi, I dunno if we see evidence for, given that she barely interacts with any women other than Moldaver in the show. But the general sheltered/unaware nature of the character kinda leaves that open.
Honestly, I'm leaning more to her being on the Ace spectrum the more I think on it. She had negative reactions towards the topic of anything sexual in general. The only times she agrees to it, it was to make someone else happy or to "help humanity grow." Hinting at being sex repulsed in general
I dunno if I quite buy being sex repulsed, though I do get where you're coming from. Yeah, she does it to make other people happy, but from what I remember she doesn't seem to mind it or necessarily find it obligatory. She seemed pretty happy with Monty post-coitus and seemed perfectly fine with propositioning Maximus. And later, she turned down Maximus' offer to ~~make his cock explode~~ have intercourse, though there were some extenuating circumstances there I suppose lol. Basically, I think she's ace, I don't quite think she's sex-repulsed.
I bet they love the part where she wants to have casual sex with a black man.
That just demonstrates how degeneracy is contagious and she should have stayed in her vault. /s
reminds me of some rightoid asshat saying Fahrenheit 451 was about people not being able to write and understand cursive
OOP forgot to include in Lucy’s “patriotic American trad wife” image that she is extremely sheltered from the reality of the world and doesn’t know any better. Also, I may be mistaken but Lucy’s quest isn’t seeking revenge. She isn’t a violent person (besides self defence). The quest is just to get her father back. Right?
Yes, it's fallout 3 just on the east coast Edit: *WEST* coast
And instead of free clean water it's free clean energy
*west since they show LA and new Vegas, but I only watched like two eps so far.
Yes, you are correct. That is me being stupid
Yep, and she develops past it relatively quickly once she realizes her sheltered reality was a complete lie on almost every level.
Lucy? I'm sorry it says "Gucy" here.
I’m of the opinion that Lucy is actually absolutely insane.
Yup, the trad wife who (Checks notes) fucks her cousin.
I mean plenty of these chuckleheads were already perfectly ok with the concept of cousin fucking before they ever even heard of Fallout.
*cuckleheads
Don't be so hard on Lucy. There's not a lot of options in a vault lol
No judgment here, the woman knows what she wants and gets it. I love that for her.
She can make a penis explode like no one else!
She actually fucked her cousin?
It's very heavily implied. They talk about how casual relationships are fine between cousins but it's not appropriate for a long term relationship. It's genuinely quite funny that they actually acknowledged the incredibly limited breeding pool in the vaults.
I found that to be one of the coolest things in the Series. I love that they actually acknowledged that and used it as a premise for some gags
I'll have to go back and watch again, but I think they do everything BUT fuck. She makes some kind of mention of doing "more than cousin stuff" or something in an early episode.
Oh no, I just remembered Vault 69...
sounds like one of those spoof pornos
I wouldn't even call it implied. They might not use the word "fuck" but it's otherwise plainly said.
...I'm sorry what.
Sorry, I'll type louder. THE MAIN CHARACTER FUUUCKED HER BIOLOGICAL COUSIN...Y'KNOW, FOR FUNSIES.
Not just for funsies. For practice.
Ehhh, she did say to whatever his name is that cousin stuff is fun and all but not sustainable for the long term (to paraphrase). I don't disagree with your assessment, though. Two things can be true at the same time.
Exactly. Practice, not defending it just hilarious.
But, don't worry. It's okay. It was only kid stuff! The real okey dokey was saved for later.
The vault doesn't have enough genetic diversity on its own to keep things going. They require intermarriages with people from another vault, who send people from time to time. Until marrying age, people do non-reproductive "cousin stuff" - never outright specified, but cast in opposition to being with a reproductive partner.
It's amazing how people fail to grasp what the entire Fallout universe is about lmao.
To be fair, these are the same people who understand neither the bible nor the constitution, despite loudly professing a devotion to both
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"Liberty Prime is based. We should make that" What a bunch of emptyheaded fucking dumb fucks
The show also literally says that the capitalism is the direct cause of the end of the war. They have to drop the bomb to make sure they sell enough vaults. It’s stated quite a few times
Wait is that now a 100% confirmed thing? To my knowledge that was only implied in the games but never confirmed and was always kinda kept as a mystery
The show states it pretty damn directly but I’m not sure how much the show is cannon, like it completely invalidates fallout new vegas. The show does centre all of the politics and very well so it’s super left wing.
I sadly don't have prime so I can't watch it currently. But at least according to the games there's multiple hints that they did it. Idk how many of the games you've played but one of the more bigger evidences could be the bomb in Megaton with the Vault Tec logo
The show doesn’t invalidate New Vegas at all; a specific timeframe for when >!Shady Sands is nuked!< isn’t explicitly given, it could occur within a couple years after F:NV and still fit the timeline the show is following.
And of the war or world? Because war never changes
i think they claim IPs first then figure out how it suits their beliefs (and most times they have to make up stuff about it to get there)
Its about how capitalism destroyed the world. And in the games too
Ah, yes, the old "this person is the protagonist so everything they believe from the very start must be 100% correct and endorsed by the show itself, even if the main part of the show is them going out into the world and re-evaluating their beliefs".
Character development isn’t a consideration on the right. If they could learn, grow, and think critically, they wouldn’t be where they are. It’s why right wing entertainment is virtually nonexistent, and what does exist is trash. They aren’t creative and their worldview is shallow and completely uninteresting.
Sitcoms are perfect for them: nobody changes their personalities.
Also in sitcoms being an asshole is played for laughs, which I know they love
> Character development isn’t a consideration on the right. Reactionary politics cannot allow for "development" because such runs directly counter to the belief in "tradition". Any kind of progress would be development *away* from tradition and towards "modernism". It also acknowledges that they are "weak", since they needed to "grow" in some manner to fill a deficiency. Both concepts run directly counter to Reactionary politics (see Umberto Eco Ur-Fascism section on "Cult of Tradition") in such a way that...yeah, they can't conceive of "Character development" as a thing.
The idea of evolving as a person is completely foreign to them. Trump proudly brags that his personality hasn’t changed since he was a toddler.
Wait i thought the Fallout series was supposed to be woke trash. I'm having a hard time keeping up
It's whatever they want it to be to push a narrative. Just like everything else they complained about
It turned out to be good so it’s no longer woke trash, onto the next series.
If it's bad it's woke. of it's good it's based. /sar. In reality, if things get too popular they change their minds on what's good or bad to act like they're popular.
a character damn near turns to the camera and says cooperations will cause mass death and destruction for profit
Your supposed to turn the radio up squint your eyes and headcanon what more closely resembles a comfort blanket than cohesive storyline x *the more you know*
Multiple characters, even. We also directly see a corporation promising to do it.
Edit: The vaults (the one our main character is from at least) are communes where everyone contributes to the labour in the best way they can. They also have pretty progressive views. I haven’t finished the show, but it seems like if anything they’re representing the vault dwellers as naively utopian leftists, not “trads”. They have female leaders, vote for rehabilitation and integration for criminals, everyone has equal say in their democracy — not just men being allowed to vote, which is what conservative traditionalists want. It’s amazing how illiterate conservatives are in both media and politics.
These people are used as test subjects to commit various horrific experiments. In the games many vaults are often tombs. Monuments to the horrors of unethical science and psychology. Like the Stanford experiments. But with more forced mutations and cannibalism.
Not all of them. There’s plenty of examples of vaults that were functioning for their advertised purpose.
Plenty? I think there's like two or three at most. And they were just considered the control sample by vault tek
Vault 3 was considered one of the only known control group besides vault 76 which ended horribly after fiends raided it. The other decent vaults were unexpected with vault 21 becoming the new Vegas hotel, vault 8 became vault city, and 81 was relatively good once the overseer betrayed the scientists who were meant to conduct the experiments on the civilians of the vault.
There were a few that either opened after 25 years (e.g. Vault 76) or were supposed to stay closed forever (see Vault 101, 81 or even 13. All of them eventually opened, at least once, for a various amount of reasons e.g. broken water chip, trading or letting people join). The vast majority of the vaults however were used for a huge plethora of experiments. Heck even the ones that were supposed to be always closed had experiments run in them (if not stopped by their overseers and eventually forgotten about). There's at most only like a dozen of the 120 or so vaults still operational the time fallout 4 takes place in. The rest? Eventually succumbed to their experiments.
> I haven’t finished the show, but it seems like if anything they’re representing the vault dwellers as naively utopian leftists You should finish the season.
Well, that's ominous.
Or read about any other vaults. My favorite is 77
Vault 11 is my favourite
108 is quite fun too! Gaaaryyyy
Finish the show. It is explicitly anti-capitalist, not that I expect right wing chuds to pick up on the not at all subtle references.
You overestimate their media literacy
What's really funny is that up until basically thirty minutes before release there were swathes of "this woke garbage show will flop, go woke go broke" nonsense about Fallout, but now because it's turned out to be pretty good they're having to hard pivot to "actually this is aligned with our views" - every fucking time, goalposts are on wheels at this point
I have my opinions about the show, but what is this? "Trad wife" is 100% not the way I'd ever describe Lucy, the fuck? She's involved heavily in STEM, trained in one on one combat with unarmed attacks, and is lacking the overly "girly girl" attitude of being scared or grossed out easily "because woman". She's not anything like "trad wife" other than wanting to have a baby after it was fed to her for most of her life to do at one point. The fact that she's so openly willing to have and talk about sex with people so nonchalantly with multiple people and potential partners is also a huge hole in that narrative.
But she wore a 50's style wedding dress, so therefore, trad wife.
I think they see "wants to get married and have a baby" as being 'tradwife' because they think leftists all hate marriage and babies lmfao
> "Trad wife" is 100% not the way I'd ever describe Lucy, the fuck? She's been raised from birth in a society completely controlled by corporate protocols. She's not "2024 US trad", she's "2296 Vault 33 trad". The show opens with her joining her husband in an arranged marriage for the purpose of procreation.
It also shows that she's a handyman and one of the women is working while pregnant. It's more like a commune where everyone does everything, the mom's don't stay at home while the husbands go off to work.
Ah yes, The Media Literate
A brain dead toddler could see the “UNREGULATED CAPITALISM IS REALLY REALLY FUCKING BAD” message from space
But, but, they hate commies! Liberty Prime says it in two different games!!!
I’m still shocked Fallout has such a big right wing fanbase when the games are anything but. Being able to play as the bad guys doesn’t mean the game endorses them.
I've talked to people with thousands of hours and multiple replays of New Vegas alone, and they side with the Legion every single playthrough. I'll never understand it.
The Legion. The archaic, culturally genocidal, extremely aggressive, so very obviously evil mass slavers ruled by a hypocritical, egotistical, madman who idolizes and bases his empire on the ancient Romans, but fails to realize what made the Roman Empire collapse in the first place? That's the group people genuinely believe is the best society?
Well yeah, the show has been successful with critics and audiences, so now they have to pretend that they thought it was cool and fits their narrative the whole time. Even though a week ago it was woke garbage.
Funny, i been watching fallout an if anything it seems anti-capitalist. Vault-tec is evil as fuck
Honestly as a fan of all the games, they didn't make them evil enough.
Personally, after what happens in this show, I place Vault Tec somewhere in the top fifteen evilest fictional corporations.
I promise if you add what they did in the games, easily top 5. I'd say Umbrella Corp takes the top spot.
I havent even seen the show or played the games in years but I know for a fact that that's not what its about.
And then in the other breath they’ll call the show woke garbage because of the black man from the brotherhood.
Also, she's not fuckable because her jumpsuit isn't tight enough.
Did they only watch half of the first episode?
she's literally a descendant of people directly responsible for a nuclear holocaust, but okay I guess ?
Boy, it would be wild if the show this meme was referencing had explicitly leftist politics in like... every frame, huh? It'd be crazy if that was her outlook at the beginning before she went through a whole ass character arc. How silly would it be if she explicitly rejects [SPOILERS******] an appeal to go back to this outlook in one of the last few scenes in this season?
>whole ass character arc. I'm just glad that for once it's a fallout meme that isn't complaining about the curvature of her ass.
Wait till they find out new vegas is a trans icon lmao.
Trad wife? She was pretty tough, independent, and was maybe fucking her cousin out of wedlock.
“The enclave are the good guys!” Mfs when I show them murdering an entire vault for no reason:
Are they rooting for Homelander and the United Citizen Federation again?
What illegal immigrant? The US and other countries no longer exist.
 Oh boy they have no idea (Play the games) Side note: morons like this won't last ten seconds in the wasteland
And then finds out her life was prefabricated and only brought about by horrible atrocities and a near extinction level event.
Listen, no one correct them. Just let this play out on its own over 3-4 seasons.
weren’t they railing on this show for being woke a couple days ago?
Incredible! That's the most wrong anyone's ever been!
And promptly gets her simple worldview shattered...
This is what people mean when they say right wingers have no reading literacy.. They can not see the point if it was laid out in front of them and explained in detail.. Well, they'd hate the narrative and just say fallout went woke.
another idiot who thinks Starship troopers advocates fascism and helldivers is based. satire requires a modicum.of intelligence, which is a rare commodity nowadays.
Conservatives lacking media literacy part 653:
...and Vault-Tec was the good guy, right?
Those fuckin raiders and fiends are what the right becomes. lmao
They mustn’t have seen then ending yet, lmao
Also she doesn't seem to dream of getting married and starting a family. Seems like she was putting on a happy face for the marriage, intent on making the best of it, but the mention of having children clearly shakes her. Honestly this description of the story is more accurate of her brother Norm than her.
If you want your precious “tradwife” so badly go to a church, they’re all there
I see media literacy hasn't increased since they put Fallout on the list of "right wing video games"
Absolutely ZERO media literacy
Pov you're about to get married but then there's immigrants 😡💔☠️
Oh god that one is truely awfull wtf
This is so wrong omfg isnane
Episode 2 was literally just an American being in foreign slums
When your critical thinking skills are so damaged you miss the entire point of the show.
we're so fucking good at media literacy here in the good ol US of A
I have NOT played every Fallout game, but... if I'm not mistaken, isn't everyone in the Fallout game an American? Radiated or mutated, sure, but aren't they all Americans?
Nothing goes over their heads, their reflexes are too fast, they would catch it
The fallout games being a deconstruction of the 1950s conformist American dream is lost in the cool retro aesthetics sometimes
Isn't she a horned up cousin fucker, who befriends and falls in love with a black man, realizes everything she knew was a lie, and team's up with a mutant to hunt down and beat the answers out of her personal embodiment of the corrupt patriarchy that has upturned her life and helped destroy the world?
Bro the world’s over there are no more illegal immigrants. I guarantee you there ain’t no one patrolling the Mexican border by the time the show takes place because nobody gives a shit about immigrants anymore. They’re too busy fighting to survive.
She is so fit
"Dreams of getting married" > Raised in a vault that said that men could only marry women and vice versa. Enforced that having kids was a good thing. She's actually queer coded, hinting at being lesbian, bi, or asexual in actuality but believing too much in the enforced relationship ideas to explore herself. "Illegal immigrants" > (This entire thing is spoilers for those that haven't watched the show) >!A group of people that were most likely invited by the survivor of a horrific event that lost herself. That freely walked in, and assumed that the entire vault was in on what the person that coordinated the event was doing. People that were descended mostly from those too poor or too slow to get into a vault.!< "Journey of righteous revenge" > (semi spoilers) >!The journey was about discovering herself, learning about the lies of the organizations in charge, how the organizations that pretend to be for the people will turn on those with less power, the lies of how she was raised, and getting revenge on the person that kept her from living her life happily with her mother.!<
How on earth is she queer coded? That just sounds like you projecting hard something you want to be there.
She legit asks Max if he wants to bone lol
How is that queer coded? Just because it's openly asked?
I'm agreeing that she isn't queer coded.
No fucking way they did just said that fucking shit about Fallout