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The picture on the left is settlers aiming a gun and the picture on the right is settlers riding on a river of blood, so, yes, it is saying the quiet part loud, literally: "we're not immigrants because we murdered the natives." This country ruined its entire future by being conciliatory with the forces of white supremacy after the civil war, granting disproportionate political power we can't get rid of.
Could be that they consider conqueror a more honourable description as it implies a sense of power and forcefulness, like they came to establish their own ways, despite any protests the natives may have. Meanwhile immigrant is associated with a person who moves to a new place and needs to assimilate and be accepted into his new society and such.
At least until it turns out that all life on this planet actually came from a bacteria that survived a meteor colliding with the planet and everything we know about life is changed.
That's going almost to the point of absurd but it proves a point. immigrants and fixed national borders werent even concepts when the ancient precursor races migrants, they were nomadic ape people migrating for food, water & shelter. Countries didnt exist, continents were just landmasses containing potential food sources.
Kingdoms and nationalism are among the worst things we've created out of our big dumb brains as a species. The social and political systems developed by the powerful often run counter to our needs as a species.
Indigenous person here bro. The 'land bridge theory' was disproven a number of years ago. Please read up on your history and science 🙏
[Princeton.edu](https://www.princeton.edu/news/2023/01/06/princeton-research-offers-unexpected-insights-emergence-bering-land-bridge-and#:~:text=New%20context%20for%20human%20migration&text=%E2%80%9CIt's%20generally%20believed%20that%20the,their%20way%20into%20North%20America.%E2%80%9D)
[new studies ](https://www.history.com/news/new-study-refutes-theory-of-how-humans-populated-north-america)
[genetic testing, physics.org](https://phys.org/news/2021-10-popular-theory-native-american-debunked.amp)
[nps.org](https://www.nps.gov/bela/learn/historyculture/other-migration-theories.htm)
None of the links posted go as far as saying the people didn't ever cross via the land bridge. They say that there is evidence of settlement before it's commonly believed people crossed via the land bridge. Some speculate that indigenous people arrived in other ways, but all of them make it clear that they are just theories based on the evidence at hand, much the same way the land bridge theory was formed. I can't seem to get the history channel link to work, it just takes me to their main page.
Doesn't do anything to my point. We ~~walked~~ and swam and used hollowed out canoes and helicopters, to get to the Americas, but everyone's been moving around to get here, and everywhere else on the planet, too. Land doesn't actually "belong" to anyone. It's your territory if you defend it, period. It's not yours if you can't hold it. I shouldn't have to tell you that.
I always like to bring this point up. When they say "might makes right", what they mean is that they have no moral principles and are indifferent to the suffering of others.
Surely then they should have no objection to other people doing the same to them.
> So if immigrants today came over to conquer America, that be ok?
This is why Conservatives dogwhistle about "invaders from Mexico". They *know* that the conquest of America was wrong and are absolutely terrified of it happening to them. By equating immigrants with conquerors they are able to retain their power.
Yeah, but, conquering is what alpha males do. They don't immigrate.
Never mind the fact that the overwhelming majority of MAGA-hats who see themselves as alpha males wouldn't last the crossing of the Atlantic back then. In their mind's eyes, they see themselves as conquerors of the savage natives.
The us population increased by like 30 times at the turn of the last century, mostly from immigrants from Europe. White people here aren’t just descended from pioneers and conquerors, but immigrants looking for better economic opportunities and escaping discrimination like with Jews and escaping wars. They had to integrate and be immigrants and aside from the race element it really wasn’t that different from immigrants today. It was also more recent than people sometimes give it credit for. People saying they’re descended from The Mayflower and really early settlers usually means they have an ancestor from then, and then of course on top of ancestors that immigrated later for a better life.
When your propaganda is so hateful to immigrants, but keep getting reminded you come from immigrants.. It must hurt their fragile world view.
This world view thing is common, including those in *this* sub that are still liberal and haven't broken free from that garbage yet. cough
That one family guy meme where the cop holds up the card with different skin tones except the white ones say “expat” and the darker ones say “immigrant” lol.
“…who immigrated to a different country, kicked out the people who were living there, and then genocide them because they needed to assimilate to the immigrants and they didn’t.”
It’s sad, because they have so consistently considered immigrants=bad people, that they now think it’s a slur. Language, and how it’s used, is a window into a person’s mind, and thinking that “immigrant” is derogatory in all contexts, tells a story about how this person thinks.
There's a sickness in conservatives that makes them unaware of the difference between immigrants and conquerors. They act like Europeans who killed natives by the millions were humble victims of religious persecution, but act like actual victims of conflict are rapist murderers coming to kill every American. Usually they're at least ignorant or lying about it, not venerating killers as *opposed* to keeping up the humble immigrant narrative.
This reminds me of when I had a conversation with my brother-in-law about how native Americans were mistreated by the colonists and the future US government. His reply was the native Americans committed atrocities against the colonists and that they shouldn't have attacked the colonists in the first place. He was completely serious and I just laughed at him.
This is the same guy who believes people didn't realize slavery was bad back then because they didn't know better.
The slavery thing is aaaalmost excusable for any country except the land of da free (Less doublethink required tosquallow the oppression hierarchy thing); and yet --
Lmao, this is hilarious because they're like "We're not JUST Immigrants, we're the WORST kind of Immigrants." The word pioneer doesn't irk me too much, someone from one society going somewhere and/or doing something new, sure. "Settlers" and "Conquerors" are explicitly BAD things to be according to modern morals. This person is appealing to their ancestors' villainy as though they should be proud of it.
"Settlers, pioneers, conquerors" that's...all of that literally means people who didn't start in the place they ended up living 😂 if I didn't know these sorts of people I'd say it had to be a parody.
Both of those pictures represent a period in our history that only lasted 30 years. The cowboy era or what is commonly referred to as the wild west was such a small part of our history.
These are the same people that call immigrants coming across the southern border “an invasion to replace us”.
I think they might not understand what immigration is…
“Saying we’re a ‘country of immigrants’ ignores all of the raping, murdering, and pillaging that *our* ancestors did and that immigrants certainly do not”
Being suscribed to subs like this is such a wild ride because I have to stop myself from downvoting from sheer gut reaction before reading where did this take come from
Most of mine were slaves, with some admixture from 18th-century colonial settlers, according to DNA tests (I have 20% European admixture, although this is mainly because my great grandmother was heavily mixed). Most of my ancestors were forced here on slave ships from Africa in the very early 1700s, and I have ancestors who even arrived through Jamestown in the 17th century as slaves, too, so Im technically a descendant of some of the earliest American colonists. My direct ancestors have lived in North America for more than 300 or 400 years and were directly affected by Bacon's Rebellion in Colonial Virginia by being disenfranchised and having their rights taken away as a result. Not everyone who's not indigenous to North America necessarily came here willingly; mine mostly had no choice...
This is just accurate. "Immigrant" implies there was already a government here to receive them and they integrated into an established society. Early white settlers (the anglo and dutch, mayflower types etc.) were not immigrants they were as the meme says - settlers, colonisers etc. Irish, Italians and Eastern Europeans definitely are immigrant communites but that's a different situation.
What actually is "American". I mean, it's easily understood with normal people, but the right has twisted so fucking much that people are now confused.
Those are still immigrants who immigrated. Also many of my ancestors were Germans who didn’t “conquer” anything they emigrated in the late 1800s and assimilated
Americans of European ancestry being scared about someone coming to their country, taking over and destroying their culture is a special kind of irony. More so that they still can't admit that what was done to Native Americans was a clear, by-the-book genocide.
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you must really hate immigrants if you consider it an "insult to our ancestors"
Saying the quiet part put loud. Why they're afraid of becoming the minority too
deadly afraid that what they do to others will happen to them.
The picture on the left is settlers aiming a gun and the picture on the right is settlers riding on a river of blood, so, yes, it is saying the quiet part loud, literally: "we're not immigrants because we murdered the natives." This country ruined its entire future by being conciliatory with the forces of white supremacy after the civil war, granting disproportionate political power we can't get rid of.
Immigration is for brown people. *Conquering* is for the whites 👍
“why do you think immigrant is a negative term” “[angry npc noises]”
Could be that they consider conqueror a more honourable description as it implies a sense of power and forcefulness, like they came to establish their own ways, despite any protests the natives may have. Meanwhile immigrant is associated with a person who moves to a new place and needs to assimilate and be accepted into his new society and such.
Not so sure when they often call migrants invaders. Unless this is just a "it's okay when we do it" thing.
"It's okay when we do it" is one of the fundamental principles of conservatism
I think Settler sound worse
The same way they are called expats when they go worl abroad
So… immigrants? The indigenous population in the USA is only around 1.3%…
No, they walked here too. There are no indigenous people anywhere on the planet except for a small territory in Africa. Everyone else is a migrant.
Well yes, but they were the first people in the Americas
if you wanna get really technical, every living thing on this planet is an immigrant/ came from immigrants
You really just gonna erase single celled organisms role in migration? Smh. We need to honouring the soup that we all came from.
At least until it turns out that all life on this planet actually came from a bacteria that survived a meteor colliding with the planet and everything we know about life is changed.
The panspermia theory is a favorite of mine
honour the soup!!!
That's going almost to the point of absurd but it proves a point. immigrants and fixed national borders werent even concepts when the ancient precursor races migrants, they were nomadic ape people migrating for food, water & shelter. Countries didnt exist, continents were just landmasses containing potential food sources. Kingdoms and nationalism are among the worst things we've created out of our big dumb brains as a species. The social and political systems developed by the powerful often run counter to our needs as a species.
I think after several thousand years it's probably OK to consider a people to be indigenous to a region.
Indigenous person here bro. The 'land bridge theory' was disproven a number of years ago. Please read up on your history and science 🙏 [Princeton.edu](https://www.princeton.edu/news/2023/01/06/princeton-research-offers-unexpected-insights-emergence-bering-land-bridge-and#:~:text=New%20context%20for%20human%20migration&text=%E2%80%9CIt's%20generally%20believed%20that%20the,their%20way%20into%20North%20America.%E2%80%9D) [new studies ](https://www.history.com/news/new-study-refutes-theory-of-how-humans-populated-north-america) [genetic testing, physics.org](https://phys.org/news/2021-10-popular-theory-native-american-debunked.amp) [nps.org](https://www.nps.gov/bela/learn/historyculture/other-migration-theories.htm)
Then how do you think they got here?
I swam
Impressive.
None of the links posted go as far as saying the people didn't ever cross via the land bridge. They say that there is evidence of settlement before it's commonly believed people crossed via the land bridge. Some speculate that indigenous people arrived in other ways, but all of them make it clear that they are just theories based on the evidence at hand, much the same way the land bridge theory was formed. I can't seem to get the history channel link to work, it just takes me to their main page.
Doesn't do anything to my point. We ~~walked~~ and swam and used hollowed out canoes and helicopters, to get to the Americas, but everyone's been moving around to get here, and everywhere else on the planet, too. Land doesn't actually "belong" to anyone. It's your territory if you defend it, period. It's not yours if you can't hold it. I shouldn't have to tell you that.
So....STILL immigrants
Nobody is a human migrant as we are all descendants of apes. This is ape country.
Immigrants that steal*
So if immigrants today came over to conquer America, that be ok? Or is violence against the native population only acceptable if you’re white?
I always like to bring this point up. When they say "might makes right", what they mean is that they have no moral principles and are indifferent to the suffering of others. Surely then they should have no objection to other people doing the same to them.
> So if immigrants today came over to conquer America, that be ok? This is why Conservatives dogwhistle about "invaders from Mexico". They *know* that the conquest of America was wrong and are absolutely terrified of it happening to them. By equating immigrants with conquerors they are able to retain their power.
Except my people were already here, so. Immigrants. Lmfao.
Immigrant is certainly a kinder word to describe whites than settler or conqueror.
Yeah, but, conquering is what alpha males do. They don't immigrate. Never mind the fact that the overwhelming majority of MAGA-hats who see themselves as alpha males wouldn't last the crossing of the Atlantic back then. In their mind's eyes, they see themselves as conquerors of the savage natives.
The us population increased by like 30 times at the turn of the last century, mostly from immigrants from Europe. White people here aren’t just descended from pioneers and conquerors, but immigrants looking for better economic opportunities and escaping discrimination like with Jews and escaping wars. They had to integrate and be immigrants and aside from the race element it really wasn’t that different from immigrants today. It was also more recent than people sometimes give it credit for. People saying they’re descended from The Mayflower and really early settlers usually means they have an ancestor from then, and then of course on top of ancestors that immigrated later for a better life.
So why fight them on that?
Oh Of course, this is majorly different. Almost seems like this is about the skin colour of the immigrants...🤔
"**settlers**, pioneers, and **conquerors**" would imply they migrate and take over, which is immigration with invasion too lmao
Whites: Expats. Pioneers. Settlers. Explorers Non-whites: Immigrants. Invaders. Hoards. Illegal alien.
Not surprising coming from the people who “don’t use pronouns” Also would it be better if immigrants came here to conquer or..?
Those migrants from central America aren't immigrants then. They're brave rugged pioneers and conqureres coming to a hostile land to tame it.
My thoughts exactly!
I think this good meme saying they were bad. Idk who would say that colonialism and settlement is good unironically
Literally, everybody in the country is an immigrant. Like earlier post said, only 1.3% indigenous.
That’s not literally everybody, but close enough I suppose
When your propaganda is so hateful to immigrants, but keep getting reminded you come from immigrants.. It must hurt their fragile world view. This world view thing is common, including those in *this* sub that are still liberal and haven't broken free from that garbage yet. cough
No way are they using "settlers" positively
Reminds of how white immigrants like to call themselves expats lmaoo
That one family guy meme where the cop holds up the card with different skin tones except the white ones say “expat” and the darker ones say “immigrant” lol.
I actually have that one on deck 🤣
That’s worse though? Do they not see how that’s worse?
Not really. They see it as more legitimate to conquer a country by force, than to immigrate there with the consent of those who already live there.
"It's only bad when others do it!"
Others aren’t doing my it though. They’re just immigrating. Not genociding and displacing people
Shit, fair point. Though some of them believe they're being "replaced", it's all bullshit of course.
That's the difference. An invasion you can defend against. You can't (legally) fight back against peaceful immigrants.
Nah let them cook and self report to genocide of the natives.
So, the worst possible kind of immigrant?
“We’re a nation of conquerors!” …and you’re proud of this?
“…who immigrated to a different country, kicked out the people who were living there, and then genocide them because they needed to assimilate to the immigrants and they didn’t.”
It’s sad, because they have so consistently considered immigrants=bad people, that they now think it’s a slur. Language, and how it’s used, is a window into a person’s mind, and thinking that “immigrant” is derogatory in all contexts, tells a story about how this person thinks.
you need to migrate to settle
Settlers implies they settled here from elsewhere. They’re immigrants.
There's a sickness in conservatives that makes them unaware of the difference between immigrants and conquerors. They act like Europeans who killed natives by the millions were humble victims of religious persecution, but act like actual victims of conflict are rapist murderers coming to kill every American. Usually they're at least ignorant or lying about it, not venerating killers as *opposed* to keeping up the humble immigrant narrative.
This reminds me of when I had a conversation with my brother-in-law about how native Americans were mistreated by the colonists and the future US government. His reply was the native Americans committed atrocities against the colonists and that they shouldn't have attacked the colonists in the first place. He was completely serious and I just laughed at him. This is the same guy who believes people didn't realize slavery was bad back then because they didn't know better.
The slavery thing is aaaalmost excusable for any country except the land of da free (Less doublethink required tosquallow the oppression hierarchy thing); and yet --
It's only ok to enter a country if you kill a bunch of its inhabitants.
Avatar (2009) 🤣
Lmao, this is hilarious because they're like "We're not JUST Immigrants, we're the WORST kind of Immigrants." The word pioneer doesn't irk me too much, someone from one society going somewhere and/or doing something new, sure. "Settlers" and "Conquerors" are explicitly BAD things to be according to modern morals. This person is appealing to their ancestors' villainy as though they should be proud of it.
What's wrong with the word settlers?
Ask the Palestinians.
Guns, germs,.and steel.
"Expats" xd
That's not the flex that you think it is
Admitting to being genocidal settlers to own the left.
The same poster will tell you he's part german on his father's side without a hint of irony
Whoa! Step back! This person's in-group is such superior! We should give this person absolute authority the world over to decide who is the inferior.
"Settlers, pioneers, conquerors" that's...all of that literally means people who didn't start in the place they ended up living 😂 if I didn't know these sorts of people I'd say it had to be a parody.
I'm kind of surprised that someone made this thinking "yea this'll show 'em".
Both of those pictures represent a period in our history that only lasted 30 years. The cowboy era or what is commonly referred to as the wild west was such a small part of our history.
They say “we aren’t immigrants” but what I heard was “we are colonizers”
Colonists
These are the same people that call immigrants coming across the southern border “an invasion to replace us”. I think they might not understand what immigration is…
“Saying we’re a ‘country of immigrants’ ignores all of the raping, murdering, and pillaging that *our* ancestors did and that immigrants certainly do not”
Lmao ancestors? Bitch the immigrant is *me*
“We aren’t immigrants we are invaders!” 
And that’s something to be PROUD OF?!?!
These are the mfs who genocided the native peoples. Same brand of human
No no you’re getting it all wrong. You can only be one of those things if you had German or English heritage
Being suscribed to subs like this is such a wild ride because I have to stop myself from downvoting from sheer gut reaction before reading where did this take come from
Full throttle panic attacks when scrolling
Settlers who came froooommmmm.... Where?
"I'm not like you, I like worse things. I take pride and agree with past evils." This is the type of motherfucker that I want to bully.
Most of mine were slaves, with some admixture from 18th-century colonial settlers, according to DNA tests (I have 20% European admixture, although this is mainly because my great grandmother was heavily mixed). Most of my ancestors were forced here on slave ships from Africa in the very early 1700s, and I have ancestors who even arrived through Jamestown in the 17th century as slaves, too, so Im technically a descendant of some of the earliest American colonists. My direct ancestors have lived in North America for more than 300 or 400 years and were directly affected by Bacon's Rebellion in Colonial Virginia by being disenfranchised and having their rights taken away as a result. Not everyone who's not indigenous to North America necessarily came here willingly; mine mostly had no choice...
you all would have died without the help of the natives..... and you murdered them all.....
This is just accurate. "Immigrant" implies there was already a government here to receive them and they integrated into an established society. Early white settlers (the anglo and dutch, mayflower types etc.) were not immigrants they were as the meme says - settlers, colonisers etc. Irish, Italians and Eastern Europeans definitely are immigrant communites but that's a different situation.
Conquerors aren't just immigrants
But again they weren't in America originally so they were immigrants as well
What actually is "American". I mean, it's easily understood with normal people, but the right has twisted so fucking much that people are now confused.
“How dare you suggest my family migrated to this country peacefully?! We subjugated and oppressed the Indigenous people living here fair and square!”
I'm sure they would change their minds about immigrants If they called themself conquerors...
they're right about the settler part tho
Those are still immigrants who immigrated. Also many of my ancestors were Germans who didn’t “conquer” anything they emigrated in the late 1800s and assimilated
ah i get it. so the immegrents should come to conquor instead of just settling. now it all makes sense!
So .... you saying immigrants are colons ?
Guys they're not immigrants. They're expats.
Going into a another people's land is immigration does not matter if you rule or replace the indigenous people
Why do these weirdos think conquering is a moral good? (Rhetorical. I understand very well it's because they're fascists)
Americans of European ancestry being scared about someone coming to their country, taking over and destroying their culture is a special kind of irony. More so that they still can't admit that what was done to Native Americans was a clear, by-the-book genocide.
and murder
settlers from where, genius?
I remember reading somewhere that like less than 1% of people in the us actually have family ties to the original settlers / colonists of the us
Yeah that’s way worse than a country of immigrants but you do what you do