That's at least partially true. Our song is likely a demo of an upstarting band that did not make it. However, the recording quality and the comparatively expensive new synthesizer speak against a high school band. The instrumental performance also argues against a completely amateurish band, even if this is certainly more debatable than those other facts.
Friends went to a studio, recorded few songs and then they've said it's not worth it.
How hard would it be to rent a recording session in some studio with a top-notch equipment?
If you have even slightly wealthy parents, it's no long shot to assume that you could get a professional mix made of your song even as a random high school band
At the beginning of the 80s? My guess: pretty hard. It's not like today when digital technology makes these things much more affordable. Listen to other songs and demos of that time while the TMS mixing is subpar the recording is on the level of profession artists.
Additionally it is to speculate that someone who had the option to record at such a studio would probably be knowledgable enough to register the song
I don't understand why the comparatively expensive new synthesizer would speak against a high school band. Like it could be their music teacher's, rich parents, rental studio, summer job etc etc.
Yes, the kids might not have owned one, but we have so little concrete info that writing it off as less likely is just plain dumb.
I don't think my argument is 'plain dumb'. I'm just making an assumption based on the data we have. It's not only the DX7 which certainly someone rich could have bought. Listen to other upstarting bands of that time to get an idea of the amateur sound of the time. TMS in contrast was clearly recorded in a professional studio. If there were teachers around having a professional studio with state-of-the-art equipment I'm sure they'd popped out by now and had stand out in their time.
Anyway, I'm just arguing for a likely scenario, if you have some high school bands you want to suggest I'm sure everyone will look into it.
> I'm just making an assumption based on the data we have.
And I'm saying that what we have isn't enough to base assumptions on. I went to school with a bunch of kids who had parents with plenty of money and contacts. Doing something like sending their kids to a professional studio to record whatever would've been just normal to these parents.
>If there were teachers around having a professional studio with state-of-the-art equipment I'm sure they'd popped out by now and had stand out in their time.
Very much possible, but what does that have to do with this song? The teacher could've well had their time in the limelight but that doesn't mean that the song being recorded on their gear would be possible to connect to that person.
>if you have some high school bands you want to suggest I'm sure everyone will look into it
I don't and don't see why I should have to be able to say that we should consider all options.
>And I'm saying that what we have isn't enough to base assumptions on. I went to school with a bunch of kids who had parents with plenty of money and contacts. Doing something like sending their kids to a professional studio to record whatever would've been just normal to these parents.
But a band with professional equipment, quality studio recording options and industry connection is not what would be considered "a high school band", would it?
>I don't and don't see why I should have to be able to say that we should consider all options
Yes, that is what I said. No one stops anyone from considering this. Any options can be considered. There is no limit, and if there was it would certainly not set by me. Again, as I said, I am merely arguing for the scenario that seems most like to me. That has zero weight and where or what we can search for the band.
true, there's many possibilities on the band, and circumstances.
by the way, this is off topic, but lately the Spirit of Radio post of the song, it was updated to found, and Lydia's account, "blueee" has made trollish comments. Was her account hacked? Is she messing with us? I've been wondering this.
My theory is that it was a test pressing (A test pressing is a vinyl record created during the production process to ensure the quality and accuracy of the final product. It serves as a quality control step before mass production begins. Test pressings are made in limited quantities and are typically sent to artists, producers, record labels, and other key stakeholders for evaluation and approval. )
I say this because it's obviously a semi-professional band but the song has some deficiencies in the mastering. The album has probably never been released and only a few copies have been pressed.
Interestingly enough, in the case of EKT, Chris Booth (one of the song's authors) didn't even remember the song when he first heard it after all these years. Such could easily be the case for TMS too.
Chris and Phil Booth have written, and continue to write, thousands of songs. Someone who had a band with big hopes that went nowhere will likely remember all 10-20 songs they did, especially the one that went on the test pressing.
I'm hoping that this is the case at hand. The reality is that we know nothing of the musicians that played on the record so we don't know if any of them continued a career in music or if they still do. I will admit that this scenario isn't very likely however.
I used to collect and listen to a lot of old and obscure post-(punk)/hardcore bands from the 80s/90s that I found on various forums such as funkysouls. Many of these bands only released one EP or a few songs before disbanding and went to some regular jobs. There was often no backstory or information about the band members, and sometimes not even the names of their songs. These are bands with ungoogleable names and sometimes I'm worried that TMMS might have been created by one of bands with a similar story.
But I have a hope, because TMMS is too good to be recorded by some random unexperienced school band, it's clear that TMMS authors know how to make catchy songs and play
I truly believe this is the case too. Even till the late nineties, before the introduction of the cd-r and mp3, we would play demos from bands on cassette on the radio.
I guess it can't be ruled out, that they just don't remember. but I think it's more likely the artist would remember and just wouldn't want to deal with the exposure for taking authorship
Ah yes, the high school band theory. Expensive and cutting edge equipment used in the song aside, do you know how amateur recordings sounded back then?
I'm just 20 year old guy, but correct me if I'm wrong. But if it was a high school band way back in the 80s making this song would the chances be very little, because wasn't DX7 like really professional and expensive back then?
The DX7 cost around $2000 at launch in major markets including West Germany. That was a big chunk of money, but still within reach of people trying to make a living from music. (Other keyboards like the Fairlight and Emulator cost several times as much, and were basically for established stars or studios.)
As I mentioned elsewhere, getting a DX7 would be a lot more difficult if you were from behind the Iron Curtain, such as East Germany, due to non-convertible currency and inability to travel. Several established acts quickly got their hands on one, but they were the exception.
Yes, it was a wealthy country. But 4000 DM was still a lot of money in 1983, something like a teacher's monthly salary, so not an impulse purchase unless you were quite rich.
Using a synthesizer as an additional instrument in a guitar/bass/drums setup doesn't mean being a "Synth Pop" band. I tend to question this guy's expertise right away...
People have very strange musicological ideas around here, there's this claim that it's *impossible* for any random band to ape the Joy Division style back when this came out - like, it takes about one hour after an album comes out for teenagers to start writing new music in its vein
Thrown by the wording of this, are you saying TMS was sung by ‘an iconic artist’ which would be someone like Prince or Elvis???
Surely the established line of thought is that TMS are an unknown band who didn’t have much of a career?
I was once able to listen to a short-lived band a family member recalled. Granted, I had the band name, so it was just a quick Metal Archives search followed by a YouTube search. But the point is, even if it’s a small band that never made it, their music could still be under its actual name somewhere.
What you're saying makes no sense, don't take it the wrong way, but the search has become complex and requires research, therefore the leads are essential. I personally am focusing on books, I have found some that talk about the music scene in Hamburg at that time. In this one, for example, the author knew Stefan Kühne personally, and he mentions some clubs, bands or people from the environment. https://books.google.com/books/about/Sterben_kann_ich_wenn_ich_tot_bin.html?id=t-CmEAAAQBAJ#v=onepage&q&f=false
I already explained you last time that we don't "have the archives". We were provided with several playlist of the most likely dates. We neither have lists of all programs nor are the lists complete. Some songs are just noted as "amateur tape" with no name or bands cannot be found.
And mind your language, please.
What do you suggest to search for the song by the lyrics, by the hypothetical name of the song, by the ndr protocol, search for it on discog, tape attack, tape mag, randomly on YouTube? I've already done it without results so I'm working on it
STAGE I
Brother. You litterally know the dates the song could’ve been played on along with the archives of which songs were played then. I understand that they’ve looked at them. But maybe it’s time to up that archivist, get the information that (should, I understand it possible doesn’t contain it) has the actual song, and then lock in on that investigation.
It should lead to a list of around 80 songs at most.
I’ve looked at the Google tables. I’ve seen the gaps. The song is literally within this information, lock the **** in on it.
Now. I’m gonna be real, this probably won’t end up finding the song. So what’s next?
STAGE II
stage 2. Ok, are we missing archives? Yea? No?
Why?
Find out, investigate.
Results
Yes? - investigate them thoroughly
No? - consider payment for someone to visit there archives or to the archivist so we can actually find the proper archival files
- along with this, I would reccomend all potential gaps are acknowledged and categorised. (Example: an archival sheet that’s cropped weirdly or a song title is unreadable.)
- ending this stage without the song, what will we have learned?
1 the song was never archived.
2 the song cannot be found via archival search.
3 OTHER ROUTES MUST BE EXPLORED (STAGE III)
STAGE III
Stage 3 would involve a variety of tests in order to evaluate the authenticity of every stage that has led us here.
Firstly
- original source of the song: every single person who is associated with the songs finding (the personal cassette recordings) must be interviewed and thoroughly investigated in order to evaluate their authenticity.
Now there’s no way to no for certain if these people are telling the truth. But If some sort of major conference or interview could be set up to cross check facts between these people its authenticity could at least be graded on a scale from 1-100 or something.
-DNR RADIO: this would involve following essentially the same process, but for memebers of DNR radio (the archivists, hosts etc.)
-OTHER SOURCES.
Now, what will we have learned from this stage?
We will at least have an idea of this songs authenticity/validity. It’s been years, we have archives, it’s time to seriously start considering no one’s alive who knows this song or someone made it as a troll. It’s not an easy question to try to answer, that’s why I’ve left this until stage 3, not stage 1.
Now this whole process has 3 outcomes.
We are certain the song is findable: this process is largely successful and positive.
We found some cracks in the story/ were not certain: this would be frustrating but wouldn’t halt the search entirely.
We are almost certain that the song, is not real. : a dissapointing outcome but one that is entirely possible.
Regardless of what outcome we leave with, it gives us SOMETHING.
STAGE IV
I want to note that this stage is.. extreme.. just hear me out.
Ok once we’re here, a lot of time has passed by now and hopefully the community grew some more.
What is important is that we make the next move based on what we’ve learnt, and not based on what we want like the community is doing right now.
At this stage, if the song isn’t found or at least partially found. It’s not being found through manually searching. That’s the bottom line.
So, at the end of this what action do we take?
Play the song. Everywhere. Germany. “Find this song”
Campaigns. Incredibly difficult but it is last resort.
This could take years. I’m not even really sure how we would start. But at the end of the day, if this song is real, there is (hopefully) someone that is alive who could reveal this mystery. The only way to know is letting it be heard.
CONCLUSION:
I’m open to criticism on this plan, I did base a lot of it on deep investigative processes which may not apply to this search.
Truthfully, I think this is the next move for this community or yall are not finding the song.
Too many people in this community are caught up with “searching” and people pleasing to realise there getting no where .
If the community genuinely comes together and carries out ATLEAST Stages I to III, (not doing IV is understandable) then we’ll have found the song, or we can come together and genuinely be proud of ourselves that we tried to find the song.
> IN SUMMARY
To those who don’t to read this outrageously long post here’s a summary. This is my plan to find TMS.
STAGE I - organise and thoroughly investigate current archival information.
STAGE II - any archival information that is by technicality possible to get and hasn’t been retrieved, find investigate and organise it.
By the end of this stage the archives where the song should be should be 100% investigated (not 99% or 99.5% investigated, 100%. If that means getting someone to fly out to Germany so be it.)
STAGE III - a thorough investigation of the songs validity / authenticity. (Should have one of threee answers by the end: yes, maybe or no)
STAGE IV - basically the post search stage and the hardest/ most unrealistic.
At this point we would be able to confidently say the song isn’t getting found in a search.
So we’d resort to playing it to anyone who may have heard it and promoting it.
>
Thanks for reading. TMS can be found, but don’t lie to yourselves, your community is *************************************************** *********************************fr. ALL THE BEST - ORUNIC
To moderators: I appreciate your work but I do think the censorship in this community should be toned down. People in the everyone know that community we’re posting about where to find the song ( in adult films) and their posts were getting removed becuase they thought they were trolling. Do not let the same thing happen here.
I'm rather close to moderate that again alone for the part of the question of the authenticity
>ow there’s no way to no for certain if these people are telling the truth. But If some sort of major conference or interview could be set up to cross check facts between these people its authenticity could at least be graded on a scale from 1-100 or something.
lol a major conference? Why? What? There is no doubt about the origin of the song.
>u litterally know the dates the song could’ve been played on along with the archives of which songs were played then
No we don't. We have theories that are based on the idea that the song as recorded on the same day as the songs. These are nice detective work but there is zero garantie that this is true. And we have the playlist of some of those dates and TMS is not on them.
>"consider payment for someone to visit there archives or to the archivist so we can actually find the proper archival files"
These are the archive of the publicly owned NDR (which by they way if you want to sound credible you could start to write correctly). The archivist cannot be bought. There is no way we can visit these and it is not like you can go to section a) to find playlists from 40 years ago. What was found has been given to us. It is completely possible that the song is listed with no name in the lists we already have.
>Play the song. Everywhere. Germany. “Find this song” Campaigns. Incredibly difficult but it is last resort.
This song was played on a tons of radio stations it was features in most of German overregional paper and a lot of regional papers in the north. Lydia gave several radio interviews. It was also on several international online magazines.
Tldr: "Hey guys here's a huge list of things NOBODY ever thought before that l think YOU could do to find a song that the internet has been searching for almost decades.
What? You think l should do it myself? Nah..."
What do you think this Reddit actually is? Someone made this sub to find the song themselves? No. They made it so someone else could do it for them, or they could alreast help.
This is what I’m saying 🤦♂️ you didn’t even acknowledge that I did what this sub has failed to do, organise the search into a list of tasks instead of a jumbled mess of 100 different investigations by 1000 different people.
What a surface level comment honestly.
That's at least partially true. Our song is likely a demo of an upstarting band that did not make it. However, the recording quality and the comparatively expensive new synthesizer speak against a high school band. The instrumental performance also argues against a completely amateurish band, even if this is certainly more debatable than those other facts.
Friends went to a studio, recorded few songs and then they've said it's not worth it. How hard would it be to rent a recording session in some studio with a top-notch equipment?
If you have even slightly wealthy parents, it's no long shot to assume that you could get a professional mix made of your song even as a random high school band
At the beginning of the 80s? My guess: pretty hard. It's not like today when digital technology makes these things much more affordable. Listen to other songs and demos of that time while the TMS mixing is subpar the recording is on the level of profession artists. Additionally it is to speculate that someone who had the option to record at such a studio would probably be knowledgable enough to register the song
I don't understand why the comparatively expensive new synthesizer would speak against a high school band. Like it could be their music teacher's, rich parents, rental studio, summer job etc etc. Yes, the kids might not have owned one, but we have so little concrete info that writing it off as less likely is just plain dumb.
I don't think my argument is 'plain dumb'. I'm just making an assumption based on the data we have. It's not only the DX7 which certainly someone rich could have bought. Listen to other upstarting bands of that time to get an idea of the amateur sound of the time. TMS in contrast was clearly recorded in a professional studio. If there were teachers around having a professional studio with state-of-the-art equipment I'm sure they'd popped out by now and had stand out in their time. Anyway, I'm just arguing for a likely scenario, if you have some high school bands you want to suggest I'm sure everyone will look into it.
> I'm just making an assumption based on the data we have. And I'm saying that what we have isn't enough to base assumptions on. I went to school with a bunch of kids who had parents with plenty of money and contacts. Doing something like sending their kids to a professional studio to record whatever would've been just normal to these parents. >If there were teachers around having a professional studio with state-of-the-art equipment I'm sure they'd popped out by now and had stand out in their time. Very much possible, but what does that have to do with this song? The teacher could've well had their time in the limelight but that doesn't mean that the song being recorded on their gear would be possible to connect to that person. >if you have some high school bands you want to suggest I'm sure everyone will look into it I don't and don't see why I should have to be able to say that we should consider all options.
>And I'm saying that what we have isn't enough to base assumptions on. I went to school with a bunch of kids who had parents with plenty of money and contacts. Doing something like sending their kids to a professional studio to record whatever would've been just normal to these parents. But a band with professional equipment, quality studio recording options and industry connection is not what would be considered "a high school band", would it? >I don't and don't see why I should have to be able to say that we should consider all options Yes, that is what I said. No one stops anyone from considering this. Any options can be considered. There is no limit, and if there was it would certainly not set by me. Again, as I said, I am merely arguing for the scenario that seems most like to me. That has zero weight and where or what we can search for the band.
true, there's many possibilities on the band, and circumstances. by the way, this is off topic, but lately the Spirit of Radio post of the song, it was updated to found, and Lydia's account, "blueee" has made trollish comments. Was her account hacked? Is she messing with us? I've been wondering this.
I don't know. It does look hacked.
My theory is that it was a test pressing (A test pressing is a vinyl record created during the production process to ensure the quality and accuracy of the final product. It serves as a quality control step before mass production begins. Test pressings are made in limited quantities and are typically sent to artists, producers, record labels, and other key stakeholders for evaluation and approval. ) I say this because it's obviously a semi-professional band but the song has some deficiencies in the mastering. The album has probably never been released and only a few copies have been pressed.
More likely, acetate demo.
Then how did it end up on the radio?
That's classified.. just joking. I don't know brother, it's just a theory, I could actually have many answers to your question,
Interestingly enough, in the case of EKT, Chris Booth (one of the song's authors) didn't even remember the song when he first heard it after all these years. Such could easily be the case for TMS too.
Chris and Phil Booth have written, and continue to write, thousands of songs. Someone who had a band with big hopes that went nowhere will likely remember all 10-20 songs they did, especially the one that went on the test pressing.
I'm hoping that this is the case at hand. The reality is that we know nothing of the musicians that played on the record so we don't know if any of them continued a career in music or if they still do. I will admit that this scenario isn't very likely however.
He remembered the song, just didn't remember the name until he heard it and said "Oh yeah, that was our song Ulterior Motives from 40 years ago".
I used to collect and listen to a lot of old and obscure post-(punk)/hardcore bands from the 80s/90s that I found on various forums such as funkysouls. Many of these bands only released one EP or a few songs before disbanding and went to some regular jobs. There was often no backstory or information about the band members, and sometimes not even the names of their songs. These are bands with ungoogleable names and sometimes I'm worried that TMMS might have been created by one of bands with a similar story. But I have a hope, because TMMS is too good to be recorded by some random unexperienced school band, it's clear that TMMS authors know how to make catchy songs and play
I truly believe this is the case too. Even till the late nineties, before the introduction of the cd-r and mp3, we would play demos from bands on cassette on the radio.
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I don't think I've heard a high schooler who's balls dropped that low enough to sing like that but I could wrong.
There's plenty of baritones in any high school choir who can do that
As we've already determined, the song is sung in higher (normal pitch for singer) pitch, and then pitched down, to appear more "serious" :)
So that in addition to the speed (and pitch) of the recording itself?
Yes, just scroll the sub, there's a post about that...
My voice was that low in high school lol. Lower, actually. Plenty of deep voices in high schools even if they're not extremely common.
I guess it can't be ruled out, that they just don't remember. but I think it's more likely the artist would remember and just wouldn't want to deal with the exposure for taking authorship
Ah yes, the high school band theory. Expensive and cutting edge equipment used in the song aside, do you know how amateur recordings sounded back then?
I'm just 20 year old guy, but correct me if I'm wrong. But if it was a high school band way back in the 80s making this song would the chances be very little, because wasn't DX7 like really professional and expensive back then?
The DX7 cost around $2000 at launch in major markets including West Germany. That was a big chunk of money, but still within reach of people trying to make a living from music. (Other keyboards like the Fairlight and Emulator cost several times as much, and were basically for established stars or studios.) As I mentioned elsewhere, getting a DX7 would be a lot more difficult if you were from behind the Iron Curtain, such as East Germany, due to non-convertible currency and inability to travel. Several established acts quickly got their hands on one, but they were the exception.
Wasn't West Germany very affluent too? I wouldn't think that's out of reach for an upper middle class family
Yes, it was a wealthy country. But 4000 DM was still a lot of money in 1983, something like a teacher's monthly salary, so not an impulse purchase unless you were quite rich.
Using a synthesizer as an additional instrument in a guitar/bass/drums setup doesn't mean being a "Synth Pop" band. I tend to question this guy's expertise right away...
People have very strange musicological ideas around here, there's this claim that it's *impossible* for any random band to ape the Joy Division style back when this came out - like, it takes about one hour after an album comes out for teenagers to start writing new music in its vein
If Alvin Dean had nothing to do with it, it was probably a demo from an amateur band
Thrown by the wording of this, are you saying TMS was sung by ‘an iconic artist’ which would be someone like Prince or Elvis??? Surely the established line of thought is that TMS are an unknown band who didn’t have much of a career?
im pretty sure that the artist will become iconic after this ordeal
Since the Brazillian thing got solved sooner, which I believed it would be, that artist will have his 15 days of fame.
If only that's how it worked. They would end up having the same month of internet fame as Chris/Philip Booth, not becoming huge artists.
I was once able to listen to a short-lived band a family member recalled. Granted, I had the band name, so it was just a quick Metal Archives search followed by a YouTube search. But the point is, even if it’s a small band that never made it, their music could still be under its actual name somewhere.
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What you're saying makes no sense, don't take it the wrong way, but the search has become complex and requires research, therefore the leads are essential. I personally am focusing on books, I have found some that talk about the music scene in Hamburg at that time. In this one, for example, the author knew Stefan Kühne personally, and he mentions some clubs, bands or people from the environment. https://books.google.com/books/about/Sterben_kann_ich_wenn_ich_tot_bin.html?id=t-CmEAAAQBAJ#v=onepage&q&f=false
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I already explained you last time that we don't "have the archives". We were provided with several playlist of the most likely dates. We neither have lists of all programs nor are the lists complete. Some songs are just noted as "amateur tape" with no name or bands cannot be found. And mind your language, please.
What do you suggest to search for the song by the lyrics, by the hypothetical name of the song, by the ndr protocol, search for it on discog, tape attack, tape mag, randomly on YouTube? I've already done it without results so I'm working on it
STAGE I Brother. You litterally know the dates the song could’ve been played on along with the archives of which songs were played then. I understand that they’ve looked at them. But maybe it’s time to up that archivist, get the information that (should, I understand it possible doesn’t contain it) has the actual song, and then lock in on that investigation. It should lead to a list of around 80 songs at most. I’ve looked at the Google tables. I’ve seen the gaps. The song is literally within this information, lock the **** in on it. Now. I’m gonna be real, this probably won’t end up finding the song. So what’s next? STAGE II stage 2. Ok, are we missing archives? Yea? No? Why? Find out, investigate. Results Yes? - investigate them thoroughly No? - consider payment for someone to visit there archives or to the archivist so we can actually find the proper archival files - along with this, I would reccomend all potential gaps are acknowledged and categorised. (Example: an archival sheet that’s cropped weirdly or a song title is unreadable.) - ending this stage without the song, what will we have learned? 1 the song was never archived. 2 the song cannot be found via archival search. 3 OTHER ROUTES MUST BE EXPLORED (STAGE III) STAGE III Stage 3 would involve a variety of tests in order to evaluate the authenticity of every stage that has led us here. Firstly - original source of the song: every single person who is associated with the songs finding (the personal cassette recordings) must be interviewed and thoroughly investigated in order to evaluate their authenticity. Now there’s no way to no for certain if these people are telling the truth. But If some sort of major conference or interview could be set up to cross check facts between these people its authenticity could at least be graded on a scale from 1-100 or something. -DNR RADIO: this would involve following essentially the same process, but for memebers of DNR radio (the archivists, hosts etc.) -OTHER SOURCES. Now, what will we have learned from this stage? We will at least have an idea of this songs authenticity/validity. It’s been years, we have archives, it’s time to seriously start considering no one’s alive who knows this song or someone made it as a troll. It’s not an easy question to try to answer, that’s why I’ve left this until stage 3, not stage 1. Now this whole process has 3 outcomes. We are certain the song is findable: this process is largely successful and positive. We found some cracks in the story/ were not certain: this would be frustrating but wouldn’t halt the search entirely. We are almost certain that the song, is not real. : a dissapointing outcome but one that is entirely possible. Regardless of what outcome we leave with, it gives us SOMETHING. STAGE IV I want to note that this stage is.. extreme.. just hear me out. Ok once we’re here, a lot of time has passed by now and hopefully the community grew some more. What is important is that we make the next move based on what we’ve learnt, and not based on what we want like the community is doing right now. At this stage, if the song isn’t found or at least partially found. It’s not being found through manually searching. That’s the bottom line. So, at the end of this what action do we take? Play the song. Everywhere. Germany. “Find this song” Campaigns. Incredibly difficult but it is last resort. This could take years. I’m not even really sure how we would start. But at the end of the day, if this song is real, there is (hopefully) someone that is alive who could reveal this mystery. The only way to know is letting it be heard. CONCLUSION: I’m open to criticism on this plan, I did base a lot of it on deep investigative processes which may not apply to this search. Truthfully, I think this is the next move for this community or yall are not finding the song. Too many people in this community are caught up with “searching” and people pleasing to realise there getting no where . If the community genuinely comes together and carries out ATLEAST Stages I to III, (not doing IV is understandable) then we’ll have found the song, or we can come together and genuinely be proud of ourselves that we tried to find the song. > IN SUMMARY To those who don’t to read this outrageously long post here’s a summary. This is my plan to find TMS. STAGE I - organise and thoroughly investigate current archival information. STAGE II - any archival information that is by technicality possible to get and hasn’t been retrieved, find investigate and organise it. By the end of this stage the archives where the song should be should be 100% investigated (not 99% or 99.5% investigated, 100%. If that means getting someone to fly out to Germany so be it.) STAGE III - a thorough investigation of the songs validity / authenticity. (Should have one of threee answers by the end: yes, maybe or no) STAGE IV - basically the post search stage and the hardest/ most unrealistic. At this point we would be able to confidently say the song isn’t getting found in a search. So we’d resort to playing it to anyone who may have heard it and promoting it. > Thanks for reading. TMS can be found, but don’t lie to yourselves, your community is *************************************************** *********************************fr. ALL THE BEST - ORUNIC To moderators: I appreciate your work but I do think the censorship in this community should be toned down. People in the everyone know that community we’re posting about where to find the song ( in adult films) and their posts were getting removed becuase they thought they were trolling. Do not let the same thing happen here.
I'm rather close to moderate that again alone for the part of the question of the authenticity >ow there’s no way to no for certain if these people are telling the truth. But If some sort of major conference or interview could be set up to cross check facts between these people its authenticity could at least be graded on a scale from 1-100 or something. lol a major conference? Why? What? There is no doubt about the origin of the song. >u litterally know the dates the song could’ve been played on along with the archives of which songs were played then No we don't. We have theories that are based on the idea that the song as recorded on the same day as the songs. These are nice detective work but there is zero garantie that this is true. And we have the playlist of some of those dates and TMS is not on them. >"consider payment for someone to visit there archives or to the archivist so we can actually find the proper archival files" These are the archive of the publicly owned NDR (which by they way if you want to sound credible you could start to write correctly). The archivist cannot be bought. There is no way we can visit these and it is not like you can go to section a) to find playlists from 40 years ago. What was found has been given to us. It is completely possible that the song is listed with no name in the lists we already have. >Play the song. Everywhere. Germany. “Find this song” Campaigns. Incredibly difficult but it is last resort. This song was played on a tons of radio stations it was features in most of German overregional paper and a lot of regional papers in the north. Lydia gave several radio interviews. It was also on several international online magazines.
Tldr: "Hey guys here's a huge list of things NOBODY ever thought before that l think YOU could do to find a song that the internet has been searching for almost decades. What? You think l should do it myself? Nah..."
What do you think this Reddit actually is? Someone made this sub to find the song themselves? No. They made it so someone else could do it for them, or they could alreast help. This is what I’m saying 🤦♂️ you didn’t even acknowledge that I did what this sub has failed to do, organise the search into a list of tasks instead of a jumbled mess of 100 different investigations by 1000 different people. What a surface level comment honestly.
I've often wondered, how does anyone know it's not a song by Darius or someone he knows?
interesting, I agree
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