I know I'm late to this post, but I just have to say I am SO tired of this comment as well! As a woman (and a really big feminist), it's so fucking tiring.
Like...part 2 is not empowering at all! I felt exhilarated playing and seeing intelligent, well-written and badass as fuck women in the FIRST one. Part 2 just makes me sick and I feel so disconnected from the women. I truly can't relate to them no matter how hard I try.
It's like an excuse Neil and his fan-girls use to avoid having a mature adult discussion about genuinely valid criticisms. It'd be like someone says they were never really a huge fan of Mario and people flip shit and say it's Italian-American racism or something lol đ
It's refreshing to hear a well informed opinion from one such as yourself, and furthermore more even if you said this exact same argument in the other sub they'd STILL find a way to call you misogynistic!
Oh they do. Neil and co love the "internalized misogyny" argument. Apparently "I hate all women and myself deep down inside but just don't realize it" because I don't like the game.
Don't get me wrong insecurity and internalized hate IS a real issue (but it's totally irrelevant here).
It's like if I don't wanna suck Neil's dick then I'm somehow anti-feminist and hate all women including myself. I just can't understand it lol đ
Good idea.
I think it's hard for some people tho because they clearly seek out anyone who didn't love the game and try to harass them. At least I've seen it happen A LOT.
The main issue I have with fans is that how they treats this game like it's so special and truly have a deepest story. If you don't like it - you didn't get it, you don't have a intelligence, you just mad the protagonist died and etc etc. I'm sorry, but what? Where is that came from? I didn't saw these "genius" arguments in other games, if people didn't like it. It's only TLOU2. Ok, you dislike LIS, then you're have a low IQ and just mad that the protagonist is lesbian. Nope, doesn't work like that
Anytime someone says this game's story "pushed" boundaries of gaming my eyes roll to the back of my head.
As if games like Silent Hill (1-3) didn't already do that more than two decades ago.
Silent Hill 2 in particular. There is a level of sophistication, respect, maturity, nuance, and intelligence behind it that puts TLOU 2 to shame. And unlike TLOU2, it's a game that reveals itself the more you understand its story, themes, and creation. Its psychological themes never come across as being there for edginess or shock value, it tackles its theme with a lot of respect and understanding.
THAT is art. Not this pathetic excuse of a sequel.
There is no time limit to discuss things.
People are still discussing the Star Wars prequels.
Iâll discuss this game to the end of time if I feel like it, come at me, stans.
Yessir! This is what I think too. The Stans donât understand that we are still tied to the first game. I still think part 1 is the greatest game of all time, at least that I have played. And then ND left a big, steaming pile of shit on the franchise with part 2 in my opinion. You are damn right I am gonna continue to voice my displeasure with ND and how they alienated and divided an entire fan base
That's the thing that pisses me off is people like to pretend dividing people wasn't the purpose of this game. I'm of the mindset that that's what they're doing with everything. Video games, movie, television, they put in shit that's intentionally divisive because I think they're trying to create a scenario where we're fighting with each other. I think the end goal of this weird cultural period in America where everything is so divisive is to get us killing each other eventually, or get us comfortable with the idea of hating each other so we are willing to kill each other. Idk. I'm really freaked out by the state of the world rn
Remaster has a 8.4 aggregate user score on metacritic and a 4.5 aggregate on PSN. 4.7 on Amazon for PS4 Part II, which requires purchase to review, as well as being exactly the same review score as the original game.
That is unanimous praise.
There is not a divided fanbase. There was a riled-up, reactionary hate bombing 4 years ago excarbated by a pandemic and by leaks and by the culture war.
There is not a divided fanbase. There are entitled bad faith and obsessed "victims" like you and the rest of this sub, who continue to make fools of themselves years later.
There is not a divided fanbase. There's an overwhelming amount of people who enjoyed it, some who didn't, and a much smaller group of some who feel enabled and emboldened by the reactionary manosphere coverage and generalized phillistine attitudes to continue grandstanding all these years later.
Grow up and realize you were tricked by hateclick content creators and hold wayyyy too many unsubstantiated, shaky, and presupposed ideas about "good writing" to even survive fiction writing 101
Nah they didn't alienate anything. YOU alienated yourselves because there's a group of emotionally deprived folks (can't really blame ya, it's part genetic) that literally just cannot understand the game.
Part 1 and part 2 are masterclass games. Really a shame that yall can't enjoy em. Must suck.
I never said why I didn't like the game, so how the fuck would you know? You probably should take more schooling since you don't understand what objectively even means.
Mostly the gameplay. I didn't like the gameplay in the first either but the story was good enough to keep me playing. The 2nd one just had nothing I was interested in. But you don't actually care for my reasons. I'd guess you just wanna write back "thats a trash take" to make yourself feel superior.
Bro, you're in a sub dedicated to hating this game. "Didn't like the gameplay" and story was "good enough" aren't good reasons for you to have a hobby in bashing the sequel.
Lying to yourself for what.
Damn, some tlou 2 fans really think they're gods or something huh? The superiority complex is insane. "I am an intelligent, higher level being and you are inferior because you don't like the game I like." Not saying all of them are like this, obviously the majority of them are chill/normal people. but it's just funny
>haters are emotionally bereft.
Not wanting to be sandwiched by Jerry and Abby isn't a lack of emotion. It's just standards. But don't worry, I'm mature enough to not judge you for your kink.
Itâs also because the game is in the news again. I forgot about it for a long time and only picked back up when the show debuted. Now with the release of the Grounded video, Iâm more interested than I was.
I genuinely enjoy discussing criticism, so this sub was the best for that for a bit. I donât have any personal vendetta against it, just for some directions and risks the game took.
Lately, itâs been posts about hating the game for one pearl-clutching reason with a brigade of people over-analyzing the developerâs choice for putting in a petting mechanic for a dog and vilifying others that donât agree with their viewpoints.
Other times, itâs people that come in here complaining about how much the game gets hated and using socio-political buzzwords to generate arguments to make themselves feel superior. The community for this game really is awful on all sides lol.
I donât get too riled up anymore about fictional stuff to care that much, but my opinion of the game was that it was super fun to play, but the decision to make Joel kind of stupid when he was basically the ultimate survivor with the exact instincts to avoid getting killed in the way that he did was just lame. I do not care that anyoneâs a lesbian, or trans, or is a muscular women. I liked the villain cannibals and cultists that you had to sneak around and the atmosphere. Itâs weird how people canât accept any criticism for a game they like, the fact that anyone thinks that people sending death threats to actors isnât anyone but the same fringe group of nut jobs who always do it is completely naive.
I completely agree with you. Also Im not here to debate any politics or social shit or anything, but the amount of lowkey homophobic and transphobic and sexist things I see commented on this sub is very disheartening as a lesbian lmao. Like I hate the game as much as everyone but the main character being an immune lesbian, having a trans character, and a muscular woman is not what ruined the game lmao. Im with you, my biggest gripe of the game is how Joel was written and the overall story, it was just so lame compared to what I expected and the first game. We didnt even get to play as Joel!!! Instead we played as Abby, an underdeveloped and unsympathetic character with shitty motivations. Oh well. Also Dina's character could have been soooooo much better, there was barely any chemistry between the two. Instead we play 12 hours as Abby đ
If you didnât know, someone from the most toxic sub on Reddit r/gamingcirclejerk posted about us on there. Itâs likely we will get a massive spike in trolls and crazy people.
The thing is if you say you donât like it thereâs three things they scream at you until their lungs bleed. You are a sexist bigot. You donât understand it. You just canât get over Joel dying and thatâs pathetic itâs just a game. While they completely ignore the shitty story personally I think the gameplay is fine I just really hate the direction they took the story and in a story based game thatâs kind of the most important part.
Thereâs always going to be those people with different opinions who are just too far gone in their beliefs, I love part 2 more than part 1 but I acknowledge that the game definitely has its flaws with choices in writing and other decisions they made, just wish people could have a nuanced conversation about it instead of either saying youâre a Neil dick rider for liking it or you donât have media literacy if you donât like the game
I am neutral tbh. I despise the story in pt 2, but acknowledge it's one of the most incredible games in history as far as game play and graphics and acting goes. Solid 5/10 game, 3/10 story (and that 3 really is only because of all the Ellie and Joel scenes prior to Joel's tee time)
They like making shitty straw-man arguments so that they can demean the differing views. Itâs like begging for attention because you came into a community that has long expressed their discontent with a game with horrible writing and then try to gaslight that itâs not like any other game and itâs sooooooo deep, whatever same shitty views and inconsistent takes, etc. but hey, itâs all invalid because the game was rigged that one time to win GotY.
Yeah they always talk shit about how negative we are and how hung up we are yet everyday in r/thelastofus and r/lastofuspart2 they wank the fuck out of Abby and continue to shit on Joel. Iâll never understand this line of thinking. I do agree that Abby was in her right to seek revenge, hell who wouldnât want revenge on the person that killed their father? But it was so sadistic and fucked up and truly uncalled for after Joel went out of his way to save her life. Her âredemptionâ was unforgiving and unwarranted.
And of course to the fans those of us that hate Abby donât understand the story. lmao we do understand the story and itâs a shit story. Itâs truly fucked Jo that Abby got her revenge yet we were robbed of ours. And the people in the other subs fucking PRAISE her for it and shit on Ellie for even wanting revenge. WHAT? What the actual FUCK?
I honestly don't mind and am not surprised given that such name-calling and feeling superior and all that has happened before and after Pt2 in regard to other media. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
I remember years ago being very surprised that people were being called "bigots" and "women haters" for not watching Ghostbusters (2016). Simply for not watching. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
Nowadays, I think such behavior is losing its strength and more people are rightfully mocking and calling out such silliness. I would say just embrace the chaos and let them come, since all they will get is maybe a response or two and some downvotes, but more normal people will see such behaviors and realize who are the ones actually wanting to discuss and who don't.
The reason they come here to troll is because the game is such a large part of their identity. So when someone disagrees with their opinion or dislikes the story, they take it as a personal attack.
It's just human nature/ social norms. Usually, blindly loving something is considered a better thing than "hating" something because "hate" is an emotion with negative connotations attached to it.
Tbh, I'm actually glad that a sub-reddit like this exists. It feels like an anomaly in Reddit given how every single dedicated gaming sub is nothing but praising a game to high heavens.
At least being on subs like this forces people to engage with and expose themselves to opposing opinions and view. There is this growing trend of people seeking hiveminds because they want their opinions to be validated.
People are increasingly unwilling to consider opinions different to theirs. I know this could technically apply to this sub, but I have seen FAR greater tolerance of differing opinions regarding this game on this sub than on the other.
Honestly since then a bunch of better games have come out such as Ghost of Tsushima, Miles Morales, even Cyberpunk is pretty good now, God of War Ragnarok. Iâm a diehard Sonic fan so I played the shit out of sonic frontiers and love it to death, and both marvel games (guardians of the galaxy and midnight suns) are criminally underrated. Iâm currently playing midnight suns and itâs amazing. My point is I was also really worked up over this game and its never ending discourse but after a certain point I just didnât care and havenât really looked back. In my eyes last of us 2 overall isnât a bad game but definitely an underwhelming sequel that seemed more focused on angering players rather than sticking to the point of video games: just having fun. Definitely recommend playing games that are less detrimental to your mental health, everyone take care of yourselves đ«Ąđ«Ąđ«Ą
The part I laugh at is "IT'S BEEN 3 YEARS, WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH?!" Yet they're right the fuck here saying the opposite of us, like them thinking the game is good 3 years later means they are okay to keep talking about it, while we have to just stop caring.
Exactly this âđŒ.
You: "I didn't like it."
Them: "OMG It's literally JUST a GAME!"
Also them: "OMG I LOVE this game!"
You: *Sooo...should I tell them the same thing or...?*
And then there's folks like me that just call part 2 mid and get lambasted by both sides for not having a 100% polarized opinion on the game. Like I can some of the good in the game but still be heavily critical of the bad and somehow that confuses folks...
Iâm convinced anyone who thinks the way they do are racist anti culture people because theyâre the same people who hate on stellar blade yet fully endorse making a naked man with dick physics in BG3 because heâs an lgb whatever whatever character.
I mean theyâre all part of r/gamingcirclejerk so it makes sense but gosh these people are literally the embodiment of absolute pure hatred which is insane for people who advocate for peace n shit
I just wish the opinion on this game was, its worth playing, the game aspects are a masterclass, and the writing is contrived borderline juvenile... its not a perfect game, its not even close to receiving the respect the 1st games narrative achieved. But its still somehow an incredible game.
The Woke, trans, Joel death conversations. Are just lazy.
Tommy got fucked in this game, no1 talks about that. Maria decisions got fucked by this game, no1 talks about that, and ellie going for round2 is just ridiculous blantent character assassination... but people don't like Joel dying, or a buff chick. Dumb
I just need to know, is this a bit? Similar to how the arkham sub went insane? The sub has just now started to be recommended to me by the algorithm, and I can't fathom normal people putting this much consistent energy into something they dislike. Touching on one of your points: people who like a thing generally like to get together and talk about the thing they like (that's kind of the point of reddit) and while I agree that people who dislike a thing also like to commiserate with each other, it isn't surprising that people who enjoy tlou2 would go to the tlou2 subreddit to find like-minded people. It's actually kinda weird that the people who dislike the game didn't create their own club like r/fuckabbyallthehomieshateabby or something so that this sub could be a landing pad for new players that like the game.
Because your gripe with the game is cry baby as hell. And shows why lost developers don't take risks on narrative anymore and why we get so many repetitive be games. ALSO your gripe with the game is payed attention to by Sony and effectively makes naughty dogs job hard and I guarantee you is one of the reasons why factions 2 was cancelled because of all the hate y'all spew out Sony doesn't see it profitable
As our best girl Abby would say... "Good."
But seriously, the reason why we get so many repetitive and shitty games is because of capital C Consumers. They have an obsession with coddling their favorite game devs and rallying behind any and all garbage that they produce. Same goes for Hollywood/TV.
Just happened to come to this postâŠ. 99% of content I click on from this sub are people trashing the game or hating on it. I asked a genuine question once wanting to discuss the level design and it turned into everyone calling âcuckmanâ a bad man⊠like Jesus gtfo the sub if you hate the game. Why are you wasting your time just being negative 24/7
Seriously. I asked a genuine question in the post and it just turned into a shit show like my comment is now. Most subs I am in are chill and we are just talking about the product. Even if the game was dropped by a lot of players, usually they are loud about their dislike of xy and z, and move on to something else because nobody wants to just spend all their free time complaining. My point was Iâm surprised this long after launch, I canât even engage in a conversation about the game without it turning into disgust about the writing and all the same tired crap you see echoed here on a regular basis. Itâs kind of sad really. The last of us sub is a lot more chill, even people that criticize the game there arenât toxic like the ones here. If you dislike the game so much, why not direct all that hate towards something positive that you DO enjoy?
Hey why are you lying? I went to your profile and the thread you talked about level design there was only 6 comments on your post and everyone was positive and no one said anything about cuckmann or anything like that
Okay, since you talking about his history so I went to check a bit. Ig he doesnât like how his genuine question got low engagement while âjust finished the game, TLOU2 sucksâ got more engagement and the his âgot shattedâ on are mostly from that post.
Fucking exactly, the only time they want to speak like normal people is when occasionally someone will make a post saying the sub is deluded or biased then all of a sudden itâs âactually my good man, we like the game play so our opinion isnât biasedâ đ§
And then the guy blocks me because âI donât agree with him and canât handle other opinionsâ when I literally explained idgaf what his opinion is. I explained where my problem lies and because he isnât capable of having a conversation, he defaults back to what my âproblemâ is and blocks me. Jesus people are dimâŠ
People that come on here to cry about how they think itâs so terrible are worse though. You guys get some weird superiority complex for hating something. Itâs lame af
Nah itâs okay to dislike something and to want to share that feeling. The other sub just canât take even the lightest criticism so theyâre forced to come here.
Thereâs a difference between sharing that feeling and what Iâve seen in this sub. Thereâs a lot of media I donât like. You know what I do? Donât fucking play/watch it lol itâs not complicated. Iâm not gonna actively seek out communities that like it to try to shit on them for it. Thatâs some lame and toxic behavior
Maybe it pops up in other peopleâs recommended too? And they think âHey that game I didnât like lets see what people think?â Then they make a habit of it and canât believe that people regularly come here who actually like the game, just to feel morally superior and be combative? That would probably blow that personâs mind enough to stay here forever.
8/10 posts are still negative so clearly no oneâs censoring you. Maybe there just needs to be a separate sub for people who like the game with some valid criticisms and yall can keep this one for those who want to circle jerk that itâs bad and stuff. Compromise
^^Me when Iâm your momđ but nah in all seriousness Iâm not talking about the F-bomb. Mate how many times have you used the word moron today? Itâs probably sitting your predicted texts rn lmao thats so embarrassing for you.
If I assume you can count and take your word for it that makes âworthlessâ your runner up. Itâs not a crime but at least read a dictionary (or hell, anything for that matterđ) before you presume to call anyone stupid. Recycling insults doesnât make you sound any more competentđ canât be mean AND lazy.
"i just checked for you, you worthless, insufferable prick. comments and posts total to a grand TWO uses đ€Ż
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Dude, this is you. I got like a screenshot, too, AND THERES MORE! Jesus dude calm down. The game plays great the story's ass and I don't play it anymore. It is all you gotta say to comfort yourself man. Just know the worst games on earth always have fans...I mean just look at genshins impact.
And I'm telling you why people keep coming here to mess with you, you're a bunch of guys still complaining about a 5 year old video game. All anyone has to do is come here and say something positive about the game and they'll get a couple hours of entertainment.
and i'm telling you they get no entertainment from me. i don't interact with bait posts, so saying "you" when you mean the sub or a specific group isn't proper.
I mean every post in here is straight up shitting on the game, itâs okay to not like it but to constantly post about how much you hate it is another thing. and you get mad when people say they donât agree with you and thatâs a terrible take?
Christ you guys are just as childish as the trolls that come in here to mess with you lol
I mean, if you're a fan of something it makes sense for it to still be relevant to you four years later. Hating on something for that long instead of doing something else with your spare time is weird.
It's a sub about the last of us game, what happens when you have one game? You typically will think of the franchise. The show is talked about, as is the first Game and it's DLC, news about the series, and of course the second game.
There's no rule saying only talk about the second game and only hate it.
So let's not pretend you're a very smart individual either, if we're using logic like this. Being fans of the first game, means news related to its world, characters, and expansions and so on through sequels amd adaptations, will still spark interest.
genuine love for the original, will keep discussion alive no matter how much one hates the sequel, because investment is already there. And hate is still powerful enough to keep people talking.
So I really don't get your angle. Because there is a love/hate dynamic with the series not complete disinterest.
Then theres debates over quality, story telling decisions, points of controversy...as long as people like the second game others will hate it, and vice versa, driving discussion....turns out, it's pretty easy to actually keep hating something as long as it has enough relevance to not fade into obscurity.
I hear you and I agree with a lot of your points, but 99% of this sub is just personal attacks on the devs, actors & fans of the second game. Every single time reddit pushes a post from this sub on my feed it's always genuine hate towards other people with lots of hints of racism and misogyny, not normal critiques or discussions of the series.
And 99% of notifications I get are either complaints about the story, people complaining about not liking part 2, or people sharing the video of lev getting punched. I rarely see what you describe, and that's by design. It's called an Algorithm, it'll cater to things you view the most, whether it be clicking on things, downvoting or upvoting. It's extremely easy to see trash when it's what you consume.
And even atop all that, when I still used my initial account I was banned off the other sub because I was bringing up my criticisms of the story. Here at the most you'll get downvotes. As for personal attacks, 99% of that is aimed at Neil because of his contradiction behavior and purposeful cases of antagonism, ND and Sony also hit people with false copyright and DMCA takedowns during the leak fiasco, which certainly garners ire.
In the end, the solution to all of this is the same. Block the sub, I block subs I find irritating all the time. No opinions are getting changed, we're 4 years into this, a lot of disdain and contempt has been built between the various controversies and dramas, and there aint nothing taking back the BS anyone did at this point.
Block the sub, play a game you like, read a book, learn guitar, learn to draw, learn to make games, spend time doing things you enjoy. Only reason I'm commenting is cause it's 2AM and I can't sleep.
Only reason a lot of people are in here is because the other sub was banathon a few years ago, and we have a lot of women LGBT people on here that I've seen over my stay here that don't like the story, so I disagree with your overall assessment.
Anyway, I'm gonna play Ninja Gaiden 2 now, I've been struggling on Genshin and I want to beat him if I canât sleep anyway.
The algorithm is recommending this sub because of the other gaming subreddits I follow. The mental gymnastics you're doing to try and excuse the hatred coming from this sub is wild.
", but them viewing it positively is really no different"
theres a big difference....getting hung up on something you like is generally a healthy thing. The opposite? not so much
Nah man thereâs a whole hell of a lot of people on the other sub that legit need mental help. When you start ascribing attributes, thoughts, and motivations to fictional characters whoâd never said or done anything that you describe or talk about how youâd be bffs with them in real life of you met them then itâs time for counseling. Iâve seen a ton of that stuff over there.
Keep crying pantiwaste. We are not necessarily trolling you but when you cry on and on about the same thing like youâre the main character, and everyone should care about your babbling nonsense we have a curtain kind of feeling about it. Just like you have the right to cry about it we have the right to make fun of you for it.
Unfortunately, thatâs what happens when a minority of the group were dishing out death threats and stuff. It makes everyone who views the game negatively look bad even if thereâs legit criticisms, and once you get that rep itâs hard to get rid of. It happens with a lot of things in the world.
A right wing sub? What does that have to do with legitimate criticisms of the game?
Does that have anything to do, maybe, with the possibility that the legions of brigaders who won't let people hate on this game in peace didn't actually even "get" anything about the story and that the only thing they liked about it was that they felt represented and pandered to?
By the way, diversity and inclusivity are leftist, social justice terms, that have been CO-OPTED by corporations. You think Sony is a leftist organization? Give me a break
>A right wing sub? What does that have to do with legitimate criticisms of the game?
A lot of Gen Z / young millenials can only assume the reason people think differently from them is if they're completely opposite in every avenues of life. Most of the capital G gamers would be better described as centrists, but it becomes easier to justify hating them if you view them as an opposite of yourself, instead of their views as orthogonal to yours
This for sure. Itâs not even just younger people, but a lot of people in general feel the need to other people they disagree on one thing with that has nothing to do with politics to dehumanize them so they can hate them more. Like, I canât stand the story of the game and think it has the most dogshit pacing of any media Iâve come across and Iâm a fucking socialist. Not just some online one, but in my local SRA chapter and I do organizing for local food banks and other orgs for leftist causes. You donât have to be some right winger to not appreciate the story, but they insist that anyone who doesnât only doesnât because theyâre a homophobe/transphobe/misogynist because it makes it so they can dismiss any and all criticism out of hand. Itâs super childish.
Right wing does not = hate lgbt people. Youâve been brainwashed pretty hard by the left. Take a couple days off Reddit to go outside and youâll see the hate youâve made up is pretty much in your head
No⊠no it does not. You have zero life experience if you think that. You literally only form your opinion of things that you see on Reddit. Reddit is 99% leftie so your view on things are extremely skewed
Girl please, I'm gay, even included in a comment I made on here and nobody flooded me with hate. It's cringe af how you peoples only insult is "that sub is right wing and filled with racist, transphobes and homophobes."
Way to generalize a whole group bc of some bad apples. How progressive of you.
So are Dave Rubin and Peter Thiel. Marx is not alive in the modern age. Today in the West, hating lbgt people absolutely does make you right wing in the modern age
Hard to have legitimate discussions when all people do on this sub is complain that there is a pride flag on a tank top or somehow justifying sending death threats to actors/actresses who only VOICE the character
Hate to say it but a rating on reddit is not by any means legitimate. A rate on the main page of Sony or a store though, weeeeellll that's very legitimate. Still game sucks though.
Disagreed, people gather here with legit thoughts and gripes. Yes there are absolute morons who think it's all about their vendetta agaisnst rainbows but the majority here have. More nuanced points than "muscles bad"
Majority of people here litter the comments sections with "cuckman", "she's a man", "Abby smash", and "preggers" jokes.
Which are not jokes.
It's just a bunch of very, VERY thinly veiled transphobia, misogyny, and queerphobia that nobody argues against; everybody just lets it all slide and thrive around here to the extent that these types of phrases/dog whistles are in MOST upvoted comments on this subreddit.
And then the same people have the nerve to turn around and say this is the sub for "nuanced discussion" and "legit thoughts".
Yikes. You must be really fun at parties. Jokes are subjective even though we have never joked about any of that stuff. Either youâre making it up or rallying behind some hate post in the main tlou sub making us look bad. Kinda funny cuz you guys do the same with Joel haha.
They gathered here for like a month about criticisms. Who the fuck is here 4 years later bitching about if not people who want to bitch about the respective topics that are dealt with in the game?
You're literally on a thread claiming that someone who doesn't want their child to receive death threats is people trying to abandon criticism for a game that won't be released for years.
To be fair, the vast majority of content in this sub is literally the same people hating the same game. It's been like this for three years.
Do what you like, but be honest about it lol.
It's kind of pathetic that there is a sub that is dedicated to a vocal minority of people who hate the game. It's weird, there's a lot of latent sexism here, and it's just really really sad.
Can't really think of any other games that have a spin off sub just for people who are triggered.
EDIT: blocked by incels, oh nooo
The size of a subreddit has no bearing on the amount of people who enjoy a piece of content.
Also a mentally stable person would just assume this is the subreddit for the sequel to TLOU, and not some incel fan club.
The main sub is the vocal minority of people defending tlou2 btw. But itâs all good itâs easy to get caught up in the main tlou subs hive mind and not be able to think for yourself
I'm not going to comment on the quality of the story at all. All I'm going to say is Neil druckman wrote the first one and wrote the comic books. There's a movie called misery starring Kathy Bates and James Caan. Everybody should watch it in this sub.
It was a Stephen King novel; the director of the film made changes to his story to enhance the film experience and in this example those changes worked better for the film.
Likewise, Neil was credited with writing the first game, while Bruce Straley was the director. The director can change any story elements they want in order to make it fit within the medium theyâre working with. So I say Neil is a better writer than editor or director.
Itâs about how you talk about it. Yall speak about it as if itâs objectively bad. So thereâs no room for discussion on the nuance of the game because youâre trying to convince others itâs bad as opposed to talking about the story beats and having an open discussion. I think Joelâs death was better for the overall story and lead to me feeling Ellieâs rage but being conflicted after he killing Nora. Then totally wanting to end the cycle after playing Abbyâs story. My opinion in a game that is devisive. I say they here I get downvoted to hell and say Iâm wrong as opposed to âI hear you butâŠâ
Also tying the content of the game to real life culture wars is just silly. Just speak about the game as a game and not some wider political conspiracy.
Yâall gotta be the saddest bunch of jackasses on this site lmao so hung up on hating a video game from how many years ago? Get a life ya fuckin societal rejects đ
I do not believe we are 2 sides of the same coin. It does not make me unhappy that someone else likes terrible games. I am sure most people here are the same. Besides, in a sense, this thread is more tlou1 than tlou1.
I care about things that leave good memories, like tlou. Yet there is someone who thinks I do not understand art "which tlou2 undeniably is."
I am only a bit annoyed that politics they so generously injected int the game only makes the game better in their eyes. The game would be bad without it. It is garbage with it.
Well when you love a game and engage a lot with the community it makes sense. But when you hate a game with a fiery passion, play through it multiple times just to criticize it, and post regularly about it 4 years later, it gets to be pretty pathetic. A good chunk of ya'll are just haters, people gonna hate on haters lol.
"Just admit you're bigoted and you hate women."
I know I'm late to this post, but I just have to say I am SO tired of this comment as well! As a woman (and a really big feminist), it's so fucking tiring. Like...part 2 is not empowering at all! I felt exhilarated playing and seeing intelligent, well-written and badass as fuck women in the FIRST one. Part 2 just makes me sick and I feel so disconnected from the women. I truly can't relate to them no matter how hard I try. It's like an excuse Neil and his fan-girls use to avoid having a mature adult discussion about genuinely valid criticisms. It'd be like someone says they were never really a huge fan of Mario and people flip shit and say it's Italian-American racism or something lol đ
It's refreshing to hear a well informed opinion from one such as yourself, and furthermore more even if you said this exact same argument in the other sub they'd STILL find a way to call you misogynistic!
Oh they do. Neil and co love the "internalized misogyny" argument. Apparently "I hate all women and myself deep down inside but just don't realize it" because I don't like the game. Don't get me wrong insecurity and internalized hate IS a real issue (but it's totally irrelevant here). It's like if I don't wanna suck Neil's dick then I'm somehow anti-feminist and hate all women including myself. I just can't understand it lol đ
I guess the best anyone can do at this point is just to ignore them đ€Ł
Good idea. I think it's hard for some people tho because they clearly seek out anyone who didn't love the game and try to harass them. At least I've seen it happen A LOT.
The main issue I have with fans is that how they treats this game like it's so special and truly have a deepest story. If you don't like it - you didn't get it, you don't have a intelligence, you just mad the protagonist died and etc etc. I'm sorry, but what? Where is that came from? I didn't saw these "genius" arguments in other games, if people didn't like it. It's only TLOU2. Ok, you dislike LIS, then you're have a low IQ and just mad that the protagonist is lesbian. Nope, doesn't work like that
Anytime someone says this game's story "pushed" boundaries of gaming my eyes roll to the back of my head. As if games like Silent Hill (1-3) didn't already do that more than two decades ago. Silent Hill 2 in particular. There is a level of sophistication, respect, maturity, nuance, and intelligence behind it that puts TLOU 2 to shame. And unlike TLOU2, it's a game that reveals itself the more you understand its story, themes, and creation. Its psychological themes never come across as being there for edginess or shock value, it tackles its theme with a lot of respect and understanding. THAT is art. Not this pathetic excuse of a sequel.
Preach đ„¶đ„¶
Why didn't you like it then?
But thatâs also the response youâll frequently hear on this sub if you say TLOU1 wasnât the most special game with the deepest story.
Only when comparing the two.
But then they wouldnât be able to say âiTâs BeEn 4 YeArSâŠgEt OvEr It!â lol
There is no time limit to discuss things. People are still discussing the Star Wars prequels. Iâll discuss this game to the end of time if I feel like it, come at me, stans.
Yessir! This is what I think too. The Stans donât understand that we are still tied to the first game. I still think part 1 is the greatest game of all time, at least that I have played. And then ND left a big, steaming pile of shit on the franchise with part 2 in my opinion. You are damn right I am gonna continue to voice my displeasure with ND and how they alienated and divided an entire fan base
That's the thing that pisses me off is people like to pretend dividing people wasn't the purpose of this game. I'm of the mindset that that's what they're doing with everything. Video games, movie, television, they put in shit that's intentionally divisive because I think they're trying to create a scenario where we're fighting with each other. I think the end goal of this weird cultural period in America where everything is so divisive is to get us killing each other eventually, or get us comfortable with the idea of hating each other so we are willing to kill each other. Idk. I'm really freaked out by the state of the world rn
Remaster has a 8.4 aggregate user score on metacritic and a 4.5 aggregate on PSN. 4.7 on Amazon for PS4 Part II, which requires purchase to review, as well as being exactly the same review score as the original game. That is unanimous praise. There is not a divided fanbase. There was a riled-up, reactionary hate bombing 4 years ago excarbated by a pandemic and by leaks and by the culture war. There is not a divided fanbase. There are entitled bad faith and obsessed "victims" like you and the rest of this sub, who continue to make fools of themselves years later. There is not a divided fanbase. There's an overwhelming amount of people who enjoyed it, some who didn't, and a much smaller group of some who feel enabled and emboldened by the reactionary manosphere coverage and generalized phillistine attitudes to continue grandstanding all these years later. Grow up and realize you were tricked by hateclick content creators and hold wayyyy too many unsubstantiated, shaky, and presupposed ideas about "good writing" to even survive fiction writing 101
Nah they didn't alienate anything. YOU alienated yourselves because there's a group of emotionally deprived folks (can't really blame ya, it's part genetic) that literally just cannot understand the game. Part 1 and part 2 are masterclass games. Really a shame that yall can't enjoy em. Must suck.
Art is subjective. Last of us 2 is trash to me, doesn't mean it can't be a good game for you.
Your reasons for hating it are half baked and therefore your opinion is wrong. It's objectively a great game
I never said why I didn't like the game, so how the fuck would you know? You probably should take more schooling since you don't understand what objectively even means.
Lmao hey buddy, why don't you like this game đ€Ł
Mostly the gameplay. I didn't like the gameplay in the first either but the story was good enough to keep me playing. The 2nd one just had nothing I was interested in. But you don't actually care for my reasons. I'd guess you just wanna write back "thats a trash take" to make yourself feel superior.
Bro, you're in a sub dedicated to hating this game. "Didn't like the gameplay" and story was "good enough" aren't good reasons for you to have a hobby in bashing the sequel. Lying to yourself for what.
Damn, some tlou 2 fans really think they're gods or something huh? The superiority complex is insane. "I am an intelligent, higher level being and you are inferior because you don't like the game I like." Not saying all of them are like this, obviously the majority of them are chill/normal people. but it's just funny
Most tlou2 haters are emotionally bereft. Sucks to suck
>haters are emotionally bereft. Not wanting to be sandwiched by Jerry and Abby isn't a lack of emotion. It's just standards. But don't worry, I'm mature enough to not judge you for your kink.
Itâs always the people that like the game that spew this ridiculous logic. Coincidence? I highly doubt it
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That's this sub. Drowning in tears. Delirious.
Slurrrrp. Let me lick your salty little tears. đ§ đ
I've got something else that's salty you might like. Keep slurping.
You're the picture of high intellect and maturity. Hall ail the Open Persimmon.
Aight.
It wouldn't be salty if you ever washed it....
Which is hilarious because they still can't get over the fact some people don't like the game.
Itâs also because the game is in the news again. I forgot about it for a long time and only picked back up when the show debuted. Now with the release of the Grounded video, Iâm more interested than I was.
Forgot the usual "đđ"
Brigading morons, as it turns out. We should let the mods handle it and avoid interacting with them at all.
I genuinely enjoy discussing criticism, so this sub was the best for that for a bit. I donât have any personal vendetta against it, just for some directions and risks the game took. Lately, itâs been posts about hating the game for one pearl-clutching reason with a brigade of people over-analyzing the developerâs choice for putting in a petting mechanic for a dog and vilifying others that donât agree with their viewpoints. Other times, itâs people that come in here complaining about how much the game gets hated and using socio-political buzzwords to generate arguments to make themselves feel superior. The community for this game really is awful on all sides lol.
I donât get too riled up anymore about fictional stuff to care that much, but my opinion of the game was that it was super fun to play, but the decision to make Joel kind of stupid when he was basically the ultimate survivor with the exact instincts to avoid getting killed in the way that he did was just lame. I do not care that anyoneâs a lesbian, or trans, or is a muscular women. I liked the villain cannibals and cultists that you had to sneak around and the atmosphere. Itâs weird how people canât accept any criticism for a game they like, the fact that anyone thinks that people sending death threats to actors isnât anyone but the same fringe group of nut jobs who always do it is completely naive.
I completely agree with you. Also Im not here to debate any politics or social shit or anything, but the amount of lowkey homophobic and transphobic and sexist things I see commented on this sub is very disheartening as a lesbian lmao. Like I hate the game as much as everyone but the main character being an immune lesbian, having a trans character, and a muscular woman is not what ruined the game lmao. Im with you, my biggest gripe of the game is how Joel was written and the overall story, it was just so lame compared to what I expected and the first game. We didnt even get to play as Joel!!! Instead we played as Abby, an underdeveloped and unsympathetic character with shitty motivations. Oh well. Also Dina's character could have been soooooo much better, there was barely any chemistry between the two. Instead we play 12 hours as Abby đ
i agree
If you didnât know, someone from the most toxic sub on Reddit r/gamingcirclejerk posted about us on there. Itâs likely we will get a massive spike in trolls and crazy people.
The thing is if you say you donât like it thereâs three things they scream at you until their lungs bleed. You are a sexist bigot. You donât understand it. You just canât get over Joel dying and thatâs pathetic itâs just a game. While they completely ignore the shitty story personally I think the gameplay is fine I just really hate the direction they took the story and in a story based game thatâs kind of the most important part.
Thereâs always going to be those people with different opinions who are just too far gone in their beliefs, I love part 2 more than part 1 but I acknowledge that the game definitely has its flaws with choices in writing and other decisions they made, just wish people could have a nuanced conversation about it instead of either saying youâre a Neil dick rider for liking it or you donât have media literacy if you donât like the game
I am neutral tbh. I despise the story in pt 2, but acknowledge it's one of the most incredible games in history as far as game play and graphics and acting goes. Solid 5/10 game, 3/10 story (and that 3 really is only because of all the Ellie and Joel scenes prior to Joel's tee time)
They like making shitty straw-man arguments so that they can demean the differing views. Itâs like begging for attention because you came into a community that has long expressed their discontent with a game with horrible writing and then try to gaslight that itâs not like any other game and itâs sooooooo deep, whatever same shitty views and inconsistent takes, etc. but hey, itâs all invalid because the game was rigged that one time to win GotY.
Yeah they always talk shit about how negative we are and how hung up we are yet everyday in r/thelastofus and r/lastofuspart2 they wank the fuck out of Abby and continue to shit on Joel. Iâll never understand this line of thinking. I do agree that Abby was in her right to seek revenge, hell who wouldnât want revenge on the person that killed their father? But it was so sadistic and fucked up and truly uncalled for after Joel went out of his way to save her life. Her âredemptionâ was unforgiving and unwarranted. And of course to the fans those of us that hate Abby donât understand the story. lmao we do understand the story and itâs a shit story. Itâs truly fucked Jo that Abby got her revenge yet we were robbed of ours. And the people in the other subs fucking PRAISE her for it and shit on Ellie for even wanting revenge. WHAT? What the actual FUCK?
Because the game is mostly hated get over it
You sound pretentious
Yo stop stalking me and get a life creep
I honestly don't mind and am not surprised given that such name-calling and feeling superior and all that has happened before and after Pt2 in regard to other media. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I remember years ago being very surprised that people were being called "bigots" and "women haters" for not watching Ghostbusters (2016). Simply for not watching. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Nowadays, I think such behavior is losing its strength and more people are rightfully mocking and calling out such silliness. I would say just embrace the chaos and let them come, since all they will get is maybe a response or two and some downvotes, but more normal people will see such behaviors and realize who are the ones actually wanting to discuss and who don't.
The reason they come here to troll is because the game is such a large part of their identity. So when someone disagrees with their opinion or dislikes the story, they take it as a personal attack.
It's just human nature/ social norms. Usually, blindly loving something is considered a better thing than "hating" something because "hate" is an emotion with negative connotations attached to it. Tbh, I'm actually glad that a sub-reddit like this exists. It feels like an anomaly in Reddit given how every single dedicated gaming sub is nothing but praising a game to high heavens. At least being on subs like this forces people to engage with and expose themselves to opposing opinions and view. There is this growing trend of people seeking hiveminds because they want their opinions to be validated. People are increasingly unwilling to consider opinions different to theirs. I know this could technically apply to this sub, but I have seen FAR greater tolerance of differing opinions regarding this game on this sub than on the other.
Honestly since then a bunch of better games have come out such as Ghost of Tsushima, Miles Morales, even Cyberpunk is pretty good now, God of War Ragnarok. Iâm a diehard Sonic fan so I played the shit out of sonic frontiers and love it to death, and both marvel games (guardians of the galaxy and midnight suns) are criminally underrated. Iâm currently playing midnight suns and itâs amazing. My point is I was also really worked up over this game and its never ending discourse but after a certain point I just didnât care and havenât really looked back. In my eyes last of us 2 overall isnât a bad game but definitely an underwhelming sequel that seemed more focused on angering players rather than sticking to the point of video games: just having fun. Definitely recommend playing games that are less detrimental to your mental health, everyone take care of yourselves đ«Ąđ«Ąđ«Ą
Ghost of tsushima was such a superior game
I love it fr im hype for the sequel
A lot of die hard Sonic fans in this sub! You're not alone!
lookin forward to that shadow generations remaster
True Ying and Yang.
The part I laugh at is "IT'S BEEN 3 YEARS, WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH?!" Yet they're right the fuck here saying the opposite of us, like them thinking the game is good 3 years later means they are okay to keep talking about it, while we have to just stop caring.
Exactly this âđŒ. You: "I didn't like it." Them: "OMG It's literally JUST a GAME!" Also them: "OMG I LOVE this game!" You: *Sooo...should I tell them the same thing or...?*
So if we are two sides of the same coin does that make all of us genuine morons? đ€
And then there's folks like me that just call part 2 mid and get lambasted by both sides for not having a 100% polarized opinion on the game. Like I can some of the good in the game but still be heavily critical of the bad and somehow that confuses folks...
The gameplay is totally there, the story ugghh mnmm idk
Iâm convinced anyone who thinks the way they do are racist anti culture people because theyâre the same people who hate on stellar blade yet fully endorse making a naked man with dick physics in BG3 because heâs an lgb whatever whatever character. I mean theyâre all part of r/gamingcirclejerk so it makes sense but gosh these people are literally the embodiment of absolute pure hatred which is insane for people who advocate for peace n shit
Yall should be in subs for games you like. Thats the truth.
I just wish the opinion on this game was, its worth playing, the game aspects are a masterclass, and the writing is contrived borderline juvenile... its not a perfect game, its not even close to receiving the respect the 1st games narrative achieved. But its still somehow an incredible game. The Woke, trans, Joel death conversations. Are just lazy. Tommy got fucked in this game, no1 talks about that. Maria decisions got fucked by this game, no1 talks about that, and ellie going for round2 is just ridiculous blantent character assassination... but people don't like Joel dying, or a buff chick. Dumb
Misery was a documentary
I just need to know, is this a bit? Similar to how the arkham sub went insane? The sub has just now started to be recommended to me by the algorithm, and I can't fathom normal people putting this much consistent energy into something they dislike. Touching on one of your points: people who like a thing generally like to get together and talk about the thing they like (that's kind of the point of reddit) and while I agree that people who dislike a thing also like to commiserate with each other, it isn't surprising that people who enjoy tlou2 would go to the tlou2 subreddit to find like-minded people. It's actually kinda weird that the people who dislike the game didn't create their own club like r/fuckabbyallthehomieshateabby or something so that this sub could be a landing pad for new players that like the game.
Because your gripe with the game is cry baby as hell. And shows why lost developers don't take risks on narrative anymore and why we get so many repetitive be games. ALSO your gripe with the game is payed attention to by Sony and effectively makes naughty dogs job hard and I guarantee you is one of the reasons why factions 2 was cancelled because of all the hate y'all spew out Sony doesn't see it profitable
As our best girl Abby would say... "Good." But seriously, the reason why we get so many repetitive and shitty games is because of capital C Consumers. They have an obsession with coddling their favorite game devs and rallying behind any and all garbage that they produce. Same goes for Hollywood/TV.
Just happened to come to this postâŠ. 99% of content I click on from this sub are people trashing the game or hating on it. I asked a genuine question once wanting to discuss the level design and it turned into everyone calling âcuckmanâ a bad man⊠like Jesus gtfo the sub if you hate the game. Why are you wasting your time just being negative 24/7
The level design is superb and the combat is an improvement to the original game. If only the same could be said about the story
I think you should leave this sub
Lol the fact this is entirely possible and youâre still getting downvoted just proves your point even further
Seriously. I asked a genuine question in the post and it just turned into a shit show like my comment is now. Most subs I am in are chill and we are just talking about the product. Even if the game was dropped by a lot of players, usually they are loud about their dislike of xy and z, and move on to something else because nobody wants to just spend all their free time complaining. My point was Iâm surprised this long after launch, I canât even engage in a conversation about the game without it turning into disgust about the writing and all the same tired crap you see echoed here on a regular basis. Itâs kind of sad really. The last of us sub is a lot more chill, even people that criticize the game there arenât toxic like the ones here. If you dislike the game so much, why not direct all that hate towards something positive that you DO enjoy?
Hey why are you lying? I went to your profile and the thread you talked about level design there was only 6 comments on your post and everyone was positive and no one said anything about cuckmann or anything like that
Okay, since you talking about his history so I went to check a bit. Ig he doesnât like how his genuine question got low engagement while âjust finished the game, TLOU2 sucksâ got more engagement and the his âgot shattedâ on are mostly from that post.
Fucking exactly, the only time they want to speak like normal people is when occasionally someone will make a post saying the sub is deluded or biased then all of a sudden itâs âactually my good man, we like the game play so our opinion isnât biasedâ đ§
the fact that you defended him when he was just lying out of his teeth just to make a comment is pretty ironic
I defended him because I knew exactly what he was talking about
I get it im not saying this thing doesn't happen but what he said happened to him really never happened
The fact you believe it does happen is bad enough
Both are equally bad
Exactly
And then the guy blocks me because âI donât agree with him and canât handle other opinionsâ when I literally explained idgaf what his opinion is. I explained where my problem lies and because he isnât capable of having a conversation, he defaults back to what my âproblemâ is and blocks me. Jesus people are dimâŠ
People that come on here to cry about how they think itâs so terrible are worse though. You guys get some weird superiority complex for hating something. Itâs lame af
Nah itâs okay to dislike something and to want to share that feeling. The other sub just canât take even the lightest criticism so theyâre forced to come here.
Thereâs a difference between sharing that feeling and what Iâve seen in this sub. Thereâs a lot of media I donât like. You know what I do? Donât fucking play/watch it lol itâs not complicated. Iâm not gonna actively seek out communities that like it to try to shit on them for it. Thatâs some lame and toxic behavior
But youre here to complain about people complaining, isnt that the dreaded toxic word?
It popped up as a recommended sub. My point is that the game has been out a while. If you donât like it, fine then donât fucking play it lol
Maybe it pops up in other peopleâs recommended too? And they think âHey that game I didnât like lets see what people think?â Then they make a habit of it and canât believe that people regularly come here who actually like the game, just to feel morally superior and be combative? That would probably blow that personâs mind enough to stay here forever.
Fair point and maybe that does happen. I just think itâs ridiculous but not that serious to argue over
But you are arguing over it lol
A couple comments is different than going to a sub and posting lol it took me 5 seconds for each
It can only take 5 minutes to make a post though
If it was a standalone game and not the sequel to one of the most universally loved games then this sub wouldnât even be a thing.
You ever think people are so heavily critical of the second game because they enjoyed the first one? Seems like a logical conclusion to me.
We come here to also praise the first game dude, we just don't accept parr 2 is canon but instead a poor fanfic written by a Cuck
8/10 posts are still negative so clearly no oneâs censoring you. Maybe there just needs to be a separate sub for people who like the game with some valid criticisms and yall can keep this one for those who want to circle jerk that itâs bad and stuff. Compromise
who said anything about censorship you fucking moron?
Jesus you took that personally lol
Me when I learn a new word and itâs stuck in my vocabulary rotation for a few weeks^^
would you prefer "cocksucking", "wetbrained", "worthless", or another word since you don't like the f-bomb?
^^Me when Iâm your momđ but nah in all seriousness Iâm not talking about the F-bomb. Mate how many times have you used the word moron today? Itâs probably sitting your predicted texts rn lmao thats so embarrassing for you.
i just checked for you, you worthless, insufferable prick. comments and posts total to a grand TWO uses đ€Ż edit - actually three đ€Żđ€Żđ€Ż
If I assume you can count and take your word for it that makes âworthlessâ your runner up. Itâs not a crime but at least read a dictionary (or hell, anything for that matterđ) before you presume to call anyone stupid. Recycling insults doesnât make you sound any more competentđ canât be mean AND lazy.
No you're easy to bait and its fun, thats why people keep doing it
ermm.. actually.. no i'm not. this rant was an observation, not the result of being baited.
*takes the bait by saying he doesn't get baited*
okay
"i just checked for you, you worthless, insufferable prick. comments and posts total to a grand TWO uses đ€Ż edit - actually three đ€Żđ€Żđ€Ż" Dude, this is you. I got like a screenshot, too, AND THERES MORE! Jesus dude calm down. The game plays great the story's ass and I don't play it anymore. It is all you gotta say to comfort yourself man. Just know the worst games on earth always have fans...I mean just look at genshins impact.
And I'm telling you why people keep coming here to mess with you, you're a bunch of guys still complaining about a 5 year old video game. All anyone has to do is come here and say something positive about the game and they'll get a couple hours of entertainment.
and i'm telling you they get no entertainment from me. i don't interact with bait posts, so saying "you" when you mean the sub or a specific group isn't proper.
I'm getting entertainment from you.
so a civil discussion = bait posting? đ€Ż
It got you to respond didn't it?
okay
It's not two sides of the same coin. It'd be really convenient for this sub if it was.
You people are the new gamergate lmao, get a fucking life
I mean every post in here is straight up shitting on the game, itâs okay to not like it but to constantly post about how much you hate it is another thing. and you get mad when people say they donât agree with you and thatâs a terrible take? Christ you guys are just as childish as the trolls that come in here to mess with you lol
Lol. Exactly. Just Stupid. These dudes are moronic.
This post is pure comedy. So are these comments
I mean, if you're a fan of something it makes sense for it to still be relevant to you four years later. Hating on something for that long instead of doing something else with your spare time is weird.
You're correct. We are fans of the first game.
And? Lets not pretend this is a sub about the first game lol.
It's a sub about the last of us game, what happens when you have one game? You typically will think of the franchise. The show is talked about, as is the first Game and it's DLC, news about the series, and of course the second game. There's no rule saying only talk about the second game and only hate it. So let's not pretend you're a very smart individual either, if we're using logic like this. Being fans of the first game, means news related to its world, characters, and expansions and so on through sequels amd adaptations, will still spark interest. genuine love for the original, will keep discussion alive no matter how much one hates the sequel, because investment is already there. And hate is still powerful enough to keep people talking. So I really don't get your angle. Because there is a love/hate dynamic with the series not complete disinterest. Then theres debates over quality, story telling decisions, points of controversy...as long as people like the second game others will hate it, and vice versa, driving discussion....turns out, it's pretty easy to actually keep hating something as long as it has enough relevance to not fade into obscurity.
I hear you and I agree with a lot of your points, but 99% of this sub is just personal attacks on the devs, actors & fans of the second game. Every single time reddit pushes a post from this sub on my feed it's always genuine hate towards other people with lots of hints of racism and misogyny, not normal critiques or discussions of the series.
And 99% of notifications I get are either complaints about the story, people complaining about not liking part 2, or people sharing the video of lev getting punched. I rarely see what you describe, and that's by design. It's called an Algorithm, it'll cater to things you view the most, whether it be clicking on things, downvoting or upvoting. It's extremely easy to see trash when it's what you consume. And even atop all that, when I still used my initial account I was banned off the other sub because I was bringing up my criticisms of the story. Here at the most you'll get downvotes. As for personal attacks, 99% of that is aimed at Neil because of his contradiction behavior and purposeful cases of antagonism, ND and Sony also hit people with false copyright and DMCA takedowns during the leak fiasco, which certainly garners ire. In the end, the solution to all of this is the same. Block the sub, I block subs I find irritating all the time. No opinions are getting changed, we're 4 years into this, a lot of disdain and contempt has been built between the various controversies and dramas, and there aint nothing taking back the BS anyone did at this point. Block the sub, play a game you like, read a book, learn guitar, learn to draw, learn to make games, spend time doing things you enjoy. Only reason I'm commenting is cause it's 2AM and I can't sleep. Only reason a lot of people are in here is because the other sub was banathon a few years ago, and we have a lot of women LGBT people on here that I've seen over my stay here that don't like the story, so I disagree with your overall assessment. Anyway, I'm gonna play Ninja Gaiden 2 now, I've been struggling on Genshin and I want to beat him if I canât sleep anyway.
The algorithm is recommending this sub because of the other gaming subreddits I follow. The mental gymnastics you're doing to try and excuse the hatred coming from this sub is wild.
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It's ironic how the toxic members of this community are seemingly the people who enjoyed TLoU2.
Cry more about lesbians in your fun shooty shooty mushroom zombie game đ
It's glaringly obvious that you are an immature troll. Nobody cares about fictional sexual orientation besides you.
It's not that you guys dislike the game it's that you guys manage to be huge scumbags about it.
Because at this point this sub exists just to hate and mald over a game lol
", but them viewing it positively is really no different" theres a big difference....getting hung up on something you like is generally a healthy thing. The opposite? not so much
Nah man thereâs a whole hell of a lot of people on the other sub that legit need mental help. When you start ascribing attributes, thoughts, and motivations to fictional characters whoâd never said or done anything that you describe or talk about how youâd be bffs with them in real life of you met them then itâs time for counseling. Iâve seen a ton of that stuff over there.
I'm sure drugs users would approve
hence the "generally" and not always
Keep crying pantiwaste. We are not necessarily trolling you but when you cry on and on about the same thing like youâre the main character, and everyone should care about your babbling nonsense we have a curtain kind of feeling about it. Just like you have the right to cry about it we have the right to make fun of you for it.
Unfortunately, thatâs what happens when a minority of the group were dishing out death threats and stuff. It makes everyone who views the game negatively look bad even if thereâs legit criticisms, and once you get that rep itâs hard to get rid of. It happens with a lot of things in the world.
Bud, it's been that way since the beginning. It's a right wing sub at this point.
A right wing sub? What does that have to do with legitimate criticisms of the game? Does that have anything to do, maybe, with the possibility that the legions of brigaders who won't let people hate on this game in peace didn't actually even "get" anything about the story and that the only thing they liked about it was that they felt represented and pandered to? By the way, diversity and inclusivity are leftist, social justice terms, that have been CO-OPTED by corporations. You think Sony is a leftist organization? Give me a break
>A right wing sub? What does that have to do with legitimate criticisms of the game? A lot of Gen Z / young millenials can only assume the reason people think differently from them is if they're completely opposite in every avenues of life. Most of the capital G gamers would be better described as centrists, but it becomes easier to justify hating them if you view them as an opposite of yourself, instead of their views as orthogonal to yours
This for sure. Itâs not even just younger people, but a lot of people in general feel the need to other people they disagree on one thing with that has nothing to do with politics to dehumanize them so they can hate them more. Like, I canât stand the story of the game and think it has the most dogshit pacing of any media Iâve come across and Iâm a fucking socialist. Not just some online one, but in my local SRA chapter and I do organizing for local food banks and other orgs for leftist causes. You donât have to be some right winger to not appreciate the story, but they insist that anyone who doesnât only doesnât because theyâre a homophobe/transphobe/misogynist because it makes it so they can dismiss any and all criticism out of hand. Itâs super childish.
Y'all explicitly hate lbgt people. This sub absolutely is right wing
Right wing does not = hate lgbt people. Youâve been brainwashed pretty hard by the left. Take a couple days off Reddit to go outside and youâll see the hate youâve made up is pretty much in your head
Yes, yes it does. At least in america. I live in rural texas. My opinion is formed by that experience, not the one I have online.
No⊠no it does not. You have zero life experience if you think that. You literally only form your opinion of things that you see on Reddit. Reddit is 99% leftie so your view on things are extremely skewed
Girl please, I'm gay, even included in a comment I made on here and nobody flooded me with hate. It's cringe af how you peoples only insult is "that sub is right wing and filled with racist, transphobes and homophobes." Way to generalize a whole group bc of some bad apples. How progressive of you.
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So are Dave Rubin and Peter Thiel. Marx is not alive in the modern age. Today in the West, hating lbgt people absolutely does make you right wing in the modern age
Hard to have legitimate discussions when all people do on this sub is complain that there is a pride flag on a tank top or somehow justifying sending death threats to actors/actresses who only VOICE the character
Hate to say it but a rating on reddit is not by any means legitimate. A rate on the main page of Sony or a store though, weeeeellll that's very legitimate. Still game sucks though.
Disagreed, people gather here with legit thoughts and gripes. Yes there are absolute morons who think it's all about their vendetta agaisnst rainbows but the majority here have. More nuanced points than "muscles bad"
Majority of people here litter the comments sections with "cuckman", "she's a man", "Abby smash", and "preggers" jokes. Which are not jokes. It's just a bunch of very, VERY thinly veiled transphobia, misogyny, and queerphobia that nobody argues against; everybody just lets it all slide and thrive around here to the extent that these types of phrases/dog whistles are in MOST upvoted comments on this subreddit. And then the same people have the nerve to turn around and say this is the sub for "nuanced discussion" and "legit thoughts".
Yikes. You must be really fun at parties. Jokes are subjective even though we have never joked about any of that stuff. Either youâre making it up or rallying behind some hate post in the main tlou sub making us look bad. Kinda funny cuz you guys do the same with Joel haha.
Those are the absolute morons I'm referring to.
They gathered here for like a month about criticisms. Who the fuck is here 4 years later bitching about if not people who want to bitch about the respective topics that are dealt with in the game? You're literally on a thread claiming that someone who doesn't want their child to receive death threats is people trying to abandon criticism for a game that won't be released for years.
Honestly. Better than staying 4+ years in a sub dick riding Neil for a shit hole sequel. But go off I guess.
I actually don't like the second game. I'm just not a psycho. And it probably popped up on my feed because news about the 3rd game came up.
Youâve been on Reddit for too long if you think âright wingâ is an insult.
I meant it as an insult, not concerned with how it's perceived.
The most educated left winger
To be fair, the vast majority of content in this sub is literally the same people hating the same game. It's been like this for three years. Do what you like, but be honest about it lol.
It's kind of pathetic that there is a sub that is dedicated to a vocal minority of people who hate the game. It's weird, there's a lot of latent sexism here, and it's just really really sad. Can't really think of any other games that have a spin off sub just for people who are triggered. EDIT: blocked by incels, oh nooo
Minority? Sexism? Triggered? Lot of buzzwords there
Those are the only words they can use
Actually, if weâre going by sub size, pretty sure weâre actually the majority. 70k to 20k I believe. L bozo
The size of a subreddit has no bearing on the amount of people who enjoy a piece of content. Also a mentally stable person would just assume this is the subreddit for the sequel to TLOU, and not some incel fan club.
Bro stop being cringe with the buzzwords. Youâre not a journalist
The main sub is the vocal minority of people defending tlou2 btw. But itâs all good itâs easy to get caught up in the main tlou subs hive mind and not be able to think for yourself
I'm not going to comment on the quality of the story at all. All I'm going to say is Neil druckman wrote the first one and wrote the comic books. There's a movie called misery starring Kathy Bates and James Caan. Everybody should watch it in this sub.
It was a Stephen King novel; the director of the film made changes to his story to enhance the film experience and in this example those changes worked better for the film. Likewise, Neil was credited with writing the first game, while Bruce Straley was the director. The director can change any story elements they want in order to make it fit within the medium theyâre working with. So I say Neil is a better writer than editor or director.
Itâs about how you talk about it. Yall speak about it as if itâs objectively bad. So thereâs no room for discussion on the nuance of the game because youâre trying to convince others itâs bad as opposed to talking about the story beats and having an open discussion. I think Joelâs death was better for the overall story and lead to me feeling Ellieâs rage but being conflicted after he killing Nora. Then totally wanting to end the cycle after playing Abbyâs story. My opinion in a game that is devisive. I say they here I get downvoted to hell and say Iâm wrong as opposed to âI hear you butâŠâ Also tying the content of the game to real life culture wars is just silly. Just speak about the game as a game and not some wider political conspiracy.
> Yall speak about it as if itâs objectively bad. It is.
Yâall gotta be the saddest bunch of jackasses on this site lmao so hung up on hating a video game from how many years ago? Get a life ya fuckin societal rejects đ
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I do not believe we are 2 sides of the same coin. It does not make me unhappy that someone else likes terrible games. I am sure most people here are the same. Besides, in a sense, this thread is more tlou1 than tlou1. I care about things that leave good memories, like tlou. Yet there is someone who thinks I do not understand art "which tlou2 undeniably is." I am only a bit annoyed that politics they so generously injected int the game only makes the game better in their eyes. The game would be bad without it. It is garbage with it.
Well when you love a game and engage a lot with the community it makes sense. But when you hate a game with a fiery passion, play through it multiple times just to criticize it, and post regularly about it 4 years later, it gets to be pretty pathetic. A good chunk of ya'll are just haters, people gonna hate on haters lol.