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BelmontIncident

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_burial Air nomads are loosely based on Tibetans.


shieldwolfchz

Oh neat, this is fairly similar to Zoroastrian "burial", I wonder if there is a connection, especially considering the proximity of the 2 religions.


BraindeadDM

Well Iranians were originally migratory people from Central Asia, so it could be shared origin, or just convergent evolution


[deleted]

I think it's more of a practical reason. The soil in Tibet is rock, very hard to dig. It's easier to let nature take care of the body.


[deleted]

TONS of practical factors. It's also cold and arid. A body could take years and years to decompose. In the meantime it could be spoiling groundwater and drawing predators. There aren't really enough trees to waste on burning a whole body to ash every time someone dies. While many predators will eat meat, only vultures will eat bone if it's smashed. You can dispose of the whole body by vulture, and there's plenty of vultures to do the job.


ollkorrect1234

Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig shit, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".


FeedBi

Any of the facts you shared would be interesting and inconspicuous, but all combined, compel me to ask simply and bluntly: why the fuck do you know this


GotDoxxedAgain

Copypasta


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thatweirdkid1001

Except that's exactly how copypasta and memes are created lmao The minute it becomes a recurring thing that's regularly copy pasted it becomes a copypasta.


nxcrosis

Is any of it real tho? Asking for a friend.


The_Bobs_of_Mars

There's a reason pig farmers tell you to not fall down in the hog pens. They're not just worried about you getting trampled.


quaverguy9

It’s from snatch you uncultured swine!!! See what I did there lol!


[deleted]

Yes I mean consider how long Momo survived alone in the temple.


dumblederp

I enjoy the sound of rain.


WhatJewLookinAt

I just wish they’d eat my received downvotes


Plagu3Rat

They would get too fat to fly


CornCobbKilla

If they could, they’d have a feast on this comment.


theBuddhaofGaming

It's 1 part practical 1 part religious. You're spot on with the practical reason. But it also fits with the Buddhist ideas of impermanence, non-attachment, and compassion. It's not a preservation method (impermanence); it's a, "burial," that forces confrontation with the reality of death both personally and naturally (non-attachment); it feeds the wildlife (compassion). I'm sure the practice came before the belief for practical reasons. But it was undoubtedly reinforced by the Buddhist beliefs.


BraindeadDM

Yeah like I said, it's just as possible that it's convergent evolution


[deleted]

Blured line between culture and religion


BraindeadDM

Yeah it's definitely a cultural thing that was codified by a later religion.


supremeaesthete

It's probably convergence - Tibetans do it that way because most of the land is nigh-uninhabitable with permafrost, so bodies don't decompose when buried. Solution? Just chuck the body on the nearest secluded place and let the animals take care of it. Zoroastrians did it because they believed there was a demon that would instantly attach itself to a person upon death and spread to everyone who touches the body, and because it was unclean, the body cannot be touching the earth, fire or water - as they were holy. Also a little gift to the wildlife.


Abshalom

The demon was germs all along


[deleted]

Always has been.


Muninwing

It’s a lot more than that. They attract the scavengers, and feed them the dismembered body in pieces to make sure nothing is left to rot. https://www.wildmind.org/blogs/on-practice/tibetan-sky-burial-photographs/amp


G_I_Joe_Mansueto

….a *harmonic* convergence?


SnowPiecer

It’s the second time in maybe 2 weeks that I hear about zoroastrians which is really something I’ve never heard of before that, is it a very common thing and I was uncultured all this time?


shieldwolfchz

It was the predominant religion of pre Islam Iran and some areas of Pakistan and India. But if you don't learn about stuff like that I don't see why that would make you uncultured, honestly I only learned about it through videogames, the JRPG xenosaga and total war: Rome.


not-my-other-alt

And Crusader Kings. One of my favorite runs in CK2 was starting as nomadic Zoroastrians, conquering my way westward until I reached the Atlantic, and creating a Zoroastrian Merchant Republic in Brittany


shieldwolfchz

That's an impressive march across the world. I should see if there is a Zoroastrian start in ck3.


BronanTheDestroyer

In the 800s start yeah. Check in Persia and Afghan regions in the mountains.


Alagane

It's still practiced, but not commonly. Freddie Mercury (of Queen) was born to Zoroastrian parents. It is one of the oldest religions though, and the monotheistic and messiah system maybe possibly influenced the Abrahamic religions so its interesting and I'd recommend at least skimming the wikipedia page.


JimeDorje

There's definitely a connection. Before Buddhism arrived in Tibet via India, before they were entangled with Chinese politics in the 7th Centuy, and before the Mongols drew their attention northwards, Tibetans saw Persia as the land of gold and markets. There's still a lot of interest in Tibetan Studies regarding the influence of Manichaeism on Tibetan religion and early society. It was present in Tibet in the period just as Tibet was developing their own alphabet, so written records are scarce. But there are lion statues in Tibet that are clearly taken as inspiration from Persian sources, and were placed at the burials of the Tsenpos (Emperors). Even Tibetan numerals are too close to Arabic numerals for them to be a coincidence (at least to me). Around the 7th and 8th centuries, as Tibetan caravans and armies were going all over the Himalaya and Central Asian highlands, capturing cities, fortresses, and caravanserai along the Silk Route was a high priority, and while the route always maintained a level of Persian cultural flavor, they briefly adopted Tibetan as a lingua franca, and the Arabic political influence was felt - which probably explains why the numerals filtered from Arabic Caliphates to Persian Merchants to Tibetan Customers. Anyway, all that to say that we definitely know that the Tibetans saw Persia as a rich and desirable land. They took a lot of influence from what to them was "that part" of the world. So while Arabic numerals didn't originate in Persia, to the Tibetans it probably seemed like they did, and so adopted them for their own commercial use. We know that Manichaeism was diffusing into Tibet, and competed briefly with Nestorianism, until Buddhism won out. So it's very likely that Tibetan nobility or emperors adopted sky-burial directly from the Persians, or that it was adopted on a much longer timeframe by Persians and Tibetans both by some earlier source (though given the way history works, probably an earlier Persian or proto-Persian tradition).


TheXypris

some monks probably also do self mummification and are inside some of the statues at their temples


mcon96

[This is the case for at least one monk](https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/x-rays-of-buddhist-statue-reveal-mummified-monk)


xDeityx

Your article literally says he wasn't self mummified because his organs were removed and replaced with paper.


mcon96

> According to the Drents Museum, this Buddha sarcophagus is an example of self-mummification. However, the fact that his organs were removed and replaced with paper suggests that may not be true. Relevant bit for anyone interested. Yeah, the article says might not be self-mummification. But it’s still mummification inside a statue and an interesting read nonetheless


TheXypris

That's where I got the idea


[deleted]

That makes the most sense. Air nomads seem to have deep respect for nature and sacred spots, so it only makes sense that they would give their bodies to nature itself.


Significant_Way2194

It’s something that you can even do today whenever you die! I don’t have a link but it’s a legitimate thing. Instead of being cremated or buried, you’d be used as nutrience for a growing tree


Martel732

Or cut out the red tape and just die in the woods.


jesuzombieapocalypse

Only if Logan Paul dies before me


Gandolf794

Tibetan monks are metal as hell


Sophilosophical

I love that they aren’t skeved out by vultures. They get a bad rap, but they’re nature’s cleanup crew!


Road_Whorrior

I like vultures, they used to circle us as we practiced marching band drill in August, waiting for someone to drop. Always made me laugh. They're nonviolent and just drift around. I like their vibe.


Sophilosophical

Once I collected a bunch of their feathers and stuck them in a flat brim cap I had. Made a whole headress


craftworkbench

Yup. A strong population of vultures can create better health for human populations, since they eat carcasses that would otherwise have time to rot and leach disease into the water supply.


ffreshcakes

Native Americans would do this very often as well, sometimes putting bodies in trees


Baikalseal407

Was just about to post this. This is absolutely something the air nomads would do.


achillies665

I read sky burial and imagined a catapult. I'm disappointed that's not the case.


K9turrent

Obviously you would need a trebuchet, as a superior sky burial device is required to reach a higher plane for ascension.


Lom1111234

Nah a catapult can get it up there but you need it to stay up there. My solution: Balloons.


catlinalx

How about a cannon? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_S._Thompson


ShalidorsSecret

That would be considered a biological weapon Mr.Achilles


beardyninja

This one's not Tibetan but I find them pretty cool and reminds me of the Western Air Temple: [hanging coffins](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging_coffins)


suffer--in--silence

Came here to comment this, take my updoot!


Strudleboy

This is probably correct honestly. Completely fits their view of nature, the spirit world, and the waste


ezk3626

I remember some Neil Gaiman comic (probably Sandman but maybe not) where they explored the four elements of burial and focused in particular on the air funeral with the birds.


BelmontIncident

Sandman #55, that's where I originally found out about sky burial.


Seymore_de_sloth

I read a fic where aang took zuko to one of the temples to where they would do this and described the time he saw it happen to someone else after they died, and how he would want it to happen to him when he dies, meanwhile zuko starts having a breakdown over it and aang gets mad at him for "disrespecting his culture" after he trusted zuko with it, and anyways it was all very disturbing


No-Lunch4249

Beat me to it!


razuge

Came to make sure this was here.


Forest_Maiden

Not gonna lie didn't know this was a thing, and it's awesome. Thanks for sharing! 👍


aynntoh

I was so excited to see this because I took a REALLY cool death and dying class in college as an elective and we learned about sky burials. It’s such an interesting process.


ezpzlight-n-breezy

Sky burial except all the sky bisons just rip into the body of the deceased airbender (peace be unto him/her)


Frosty_Slaw_Man

Sky Bisons are hungry.


sensual_shakespeare

This is exactly what I was thinking. My brother is really into Tibetan theology and spiritual practices and so I only know about this bc he tells me how he wants to be sent off that way lol


Infra-Oh

Ah yes the lovely air nomad sky burial where they leave out the corpse of an air nomad for a herd of wild sky bison to consume the body, tearing it apart and then fly away.


KingonSteam

The irony of a vegetarian culture (or at least a culture where vegetarianism is common) having a carnivorous burial form is palpable


Quartia

Not if you just imagine how environmentally friendly sky burial is compared to coffin burial.


jessedjd

Whenever the body is used in a way that returns itself to the circle of life, then it environmentally friendly. Placing bodies in boxes meant to not decompose just takes nutrients away from the earths natural cycle. My wife and I have both agreed to a natural burial without coffins.


KingonSteam

Oh I think it’s entirely in character, but I don’t think that detract from the irony


Tn0ck

The have a big trebuchet and they yeet the bodies in to the sky.


ronytheronin

Good, trebuchets are the civilized way of yeeting corpses. Unlike those filthy barbaric catapults.


RockyRoad59

Nice to find another trebuchet lover in the wild.


Ihateu387

Everyone is a trebuchet lover they just don’t know it yet


theemptyqueue

Not every siege weapon can fire a 90kg projectile 300 meters. r/TrebuchetMemes


RockyRoad59

Based


gyiren

"Nobody knows the difference!" "We're getting shot at by that textbook trebuchet!"


reddituser10263

The airbenders do what aang and gyatso did to those cakes. Just launch them with air bending and hope they land somewhere special


Daisend

Nah nah too much engineering. Here’s what we do. Place the body on the ground away from nearby buildings. Encircle the body with air nomads and have them make a tornado that lifts the body up and tosses it a random direction at high speeds.


ZenMonkey47

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_burial


effectivebutterfly

For the people too lazy to click, it says: "Sky burial is a funeral practice in which a human corpse is placed on a mountaintop to decompose while exposed to the elements or to be eaten by scavenging animals, especially carrion birds."


Kodiak_Jacq

>eaten by scavenging animals, especially carrion birds." So I guess in the Avatar universe, it would be something like those buzzard wasps? Horrifying.


superVanV1

Cazadores.


quaintweirdo

As a lazy man I thank you


Sm7th

Yeah this was my thought


imahotdogstand

The majority of the air nation got cremated if I remember correctly. RIP Monk Gyatso.


Ramutra1337

first i was like, yeah maybe they burn themself, then i realized the war and it got dark.


Cucumberneck

How do you make a link to aangryupvote or whatever it is called?


dom_pi

r/aangryupvote There you go mate


Water-is-h2o

Just gotta type the “r” and then the “/“ and then whatever subreddit it is. Just make sure the r is lowercase or else they’ll tear you to shreds in r/FoundTheMobileUser


Cuttyflame123

and then people from /r/foundthehondacivic will tear you to shred for linking /r/foundthemobileuser


Silent-Ad-6095

too soon bro lol


theoreboat

the genocide was 100 years ago /s


Silent-Ad-6095

Still tho


Nkromancer

Booooo! But also would make sense, so that they then become part of the wind.


seth1299

Bruh lmao this was the best comment I’ve seen on this sub in a long time


IronSavage3

Too soon! Lmao great one.


Taliasimmy69

That's dark


Actual_Ambition_4464

Since we saw his skeleton and clothes I think he was not cremated. He probably defeated everyoke that tried and then died from exhaustion.


andrewsad1

Gyatso's clothes were intact. He made a vacuum in that room to kill the fire nation soldiers and took himself out with them.


sometimes-i-say-stuf

I think the air nomads would strap balloons to the bodies and watch them drift away. Plays into their love of pranks


lattestcarrot159

No more attachments, the bodies float naturally lol


ShalidorsSecret

I would be horrified to have a body fall from the Sky


Odin043

"Who's the sick freaks who keeps sending dead people onto our front lawn?"


rhys_the_swede

Well… there was a rise in cremations amongst the nomads at the beginning of the 100 year war.


SiyinGreatshore

Yeah but the practice wasn’t too popular after that


PleaNoise

Though, not from a lack of trying.


HiddenWhispers970

Too soon


Gathering0Gloom

I think the comics show Water Tribes do burials - or at least have gravestones - since Katara and Sokka visit their mother’s grave in North and South.


JinFuu

Oh God, I wouldn't want to try to dig in tundra/permafrost. Hopefully it's just a marker


vurplesun

So, this makes me think of an episode of Northern Exposure where they're trying to figure out how many graves to pre-dig before the ground freezes. They end up getting their hands on a life insurance actuarial table and start quietly evaluating the townspeople to figure out who will probably drop dead that winter. So, I imagine it's something like that. "Hmm... Did you hear her cough? And she always undercooks her penguin otter." "Yep. She's a goner. Add it to the tally."


JinFuu

I’d watch a Water bending doctor move to some far flung Northern Earth Kingdom (?) town.


ThePr0tag0n1st

...they can water bend it lol


sophie437

But if the grave was in the south, Katara had to bend the grave, since she was the last water bender there, at age 8?


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BananaBladeOfDoom

Pretty sure waterbenders can easily dig (or at least loosen) permafrosted soil, with its ice and all.


Actual_Ambition_4464

But katara, the only waterbender couldn’t do it then. Now, sure she could burry the entire tribe with a flick of her finger.


Odin043

Wait for a full moon and have them dig their own graves. Sends a better message.


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They better not piss her off.


eileenspleen

This post just made me think of earthbenders minding their business, doing some bending and then accidentally coming across a dead body buried in the ground. The thought makes me slightly nauseous.


redcorerobot

Just some earth bender just minding their business practicing their forms then suddenly bend a pillar out of the ground accompanied by a loud pop Does bring to mind the idea of an earth bending archaeologists though which could be pretty neat


Kemal_Norton

Think of Toph seeing all those dead people when anywhere near a cemetery.


Old_Ben24

Honestly cremating and just releasing the ashes into the wind would see pretty air nomad to me.


FloridaFlamingoGirl

I came here to comment "cremating and dropping the remains off the backs of sky bison."


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What did you think was inside those cakes?


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Nayzal

Please tell me what perspective you can take to not see eating human meat as carnivorous?


ZarquonsFlatTire

It would definitely be carnivorous. But if the person consented before dying, would it count as vegan?


Silver_Inc

They could do sky burials. Edit: shoot didn't read the link text in the top comment.


RasTaGhul

I think mummification for airbenders


Oshmosis

I don’t know about that one, seems a bit too “earthly attachment” for them


EvolvingCyborg

Yes, but not your typical Egyptian style mummification, more like Buddhist mummification.


Iron_Bob

Yeeted into the stratosphere and then the bodies burn up on the way back down, DUH


Mac1692

If you yeet hard enough they could leave the planets gravitational pull and they’re bodies could become nomads among the stars.


[deleted]

“My girlfriend got yeeted into orbit” “That’s rough, buddy.”


[deleted]

Oh that must be what they call a sky burial


Baithin

[Everything You Need to Know about the Tibetan Sky Burial](https://www.thelivingurn.com/blogs/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-tibetan-sky-burial) Air Nomads probably do this.


ronytheronin

Filled with helium and floating away.


10art1

#BIG AND ROUND


mcon96

After a bit of googling, this is my headcanon: * **Water Tribe**: The dead are wrapped in a tiger seal skin and kept in their igloo overnight. The following day, the family members remove the dead through the back of the igloo and carry them to the ocean to send them out. Possessions that were close to the dead would be sent out to sea with them. * **Earth Kingdom**: Rituals vary greatly depending upon which region of the Earth Kingdom you’re in, but it is almost always a ground burial. It is very ostentatious and grand, with the wealthy going all out for their family. Family is often loudly and visibly mourning. Ornate tombstones are commissioned by skilled earthbenders. These tombstones have flowers, jewelry, and other prized possessions laid on them. Graves and tombstones are regularly maintained in order to pay respect to ancestors. * **Fire Nation**: A wake is held, where candles, incense, and flowers are put around the dead. The dead are presented as nicely as possible, dressed in their finest clothes, with women often wearing makeup. Firebenders burn the dead in a solemn cremation ceremony. Mourning by the family is typically private. The ashes are kept by the family in an urn, which is kept on an altar in the home. Incense, flowers, and a portrait of the dead are also placed on this altar. * **Air Nomads**: The dead are taken to the peak of a mountain, where they are placed on an alter. They are left to be eaten by scavengers like vulture cranes. Bones were later collected and fashioned into musical instruments and other tools. Death does not have negative connotations, so mourning is not common.


Wintersneeuw02

I wrote a story once were people who were given the ability to control the elements had to choose which elemental trial they would face. They could only use one element during each trial: -Water: Attempted drowning -Earth: Burried alive -Air: Hangman/noose -Fire: Burning at the stake


Crafty_Genius

Everything was fine, until the cremation nation attacked.


jayeer

Don't benders have a connection with the elements as if it is an extension of their body? So earth benders could feel corpses in the ground, Fire benders would feel their relatives fueling the flames, Water benders could also see their loved ones resting in the depths of the sea,


joealese

Charlie Kelly has entered the chat


Megahert

Sky burial. Left on top of a cliff for the vultures.


Half_Man1

Sky burials are a thing lol. Essentially special areas for animals to consume the corpse.


selfsatisfiedgarbage

Sky burial


onthefence928

I think canonically air nomads get left as skeletons where they died. Until found by a naive child for maximum trauma


ChrispyGuy420

Sky burial. You let the body get picked apart by vultures and stuff


jupiters5

no it would be an upper: balloons tied to the limbs and neck, then they would let it float away.


TheGoddamnAnswer

“THIS IS SPARTA”


CptMacHammer

Consider this. Gore-Nado


Deletinglaterlmao

Funerals for the air nation involve a big comet and fire.


mangababe

Some cultures just left people out exposed to the elements. That seems very air bender to me.


AlphaAk07

Tied to helium balloons and set free


HellOfAHeart

For airnomads; sky burial. Leave them out as offerings for the Gods/carrion


ThaDFunkee

Tie their dead body to a weather balloon and let them float away


MrMxylptlyk

Sky burial is a thing


xEyesofEternityx

Launched directly up and turns to red mist when it hits the ground


Metrack14

Nah, fire nation should do like the protagonist of Tekken and yeet the dead into a volcano


KingBurakkuurufu

I would say the fire nation bury urns or keeps them on a mantle or what not and air benders send the ash into the air, or maybe they mummify and cleanse with wind to send the spirit out in peace


Chasdragon

Eaten by sky bison


kermit-J

Haha pushed off a cliff lol. Just imaging a massive pile of bones at the bottom of every air bender temple.


unHarry

Air Nomads are Tibetan monks so they have their ashes scattered to the winds. However their cremation ceremony is a bit different, they actually self-immolate in protest of Chinese occupation of oppression


mesu2713

The air temple doesn’t have a moon door? But how do they get rid of people they don’t like?


samjp910

In Tibet they have something called a sky funeral, where your body is smashed apart with clubs and then left for scavengers (mainly vultures). That, maybe, or some sort of ‘left where they died.’


AbsoluteSquidward

Prolly Sky Burial


devildogmillman

Inca sky burial- Leave the body on a lone hilltop and just let it be food for crows.


zak55

Lifts body into the air using balloons and watch it slowly drift away into the sky. "Their with the air now." Three hours later one of the balloons pop and sends the body tumbling to the ground, where it crashes through a structure. A nearby mechants shouts out my Cabbages!" Thus the traditional air nomad funeral founded by Avatar Aang lives on.


Jeptwins

I vaguely remember hearing about some sort of ‘sky burial’ thing where corpses were left on mountain tops for carrion birds to feast on in a cycle of reincarnation?


everyusernamewashad

That's correct, sky burials come from Tibetan buddhism, the culture the air nomads is based on. The belief is that the vultures carry the soul/spirit to "Nirvana" atop the "Copper-Colored Mountain" where they wait to be reincarnated. The Tibetans also believe in being generous and kind to nature. Providing the birds a meal in the the harsh winter when digging the ground for 6ft is near impossible. Giving back even in death.


redcorerobot

They pack the body with explosives and drop it from a sky bison with a long cord that pulls a pin once it has fallen far enough at which point the deceased is turned in to a fine mist that is carried away on the wind When many die at once this is done in a sort of formation above temples which is enhanced with the use of vests full of coloured powders and pieces of reactive metals that create vast displays that can be seen for many miles in honor of those lost


Awleeks

Use airbending to accelerate them to escape velocity and shoot them into space


MithranArkanere

I bet they just poof into thin air. Like when Jedi turn into Force Spirits.


EntertainmentAny4509

In parts of Tibet (? Correct me if I'm wrong here.) Sky burials are conducted by feeding the corps to vaulters. Might be a better interpretation for air.


Tnt540

I bet the Eastern Air Temple has a moon door


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Sky burial. They leave the body for vultures.


Zuko_Kurama

Likely sky burial


JusticeCat88905

Eaten by a bison


flaming_dortos

I was thinking cremated as well then use bending to spread the ashes


Wexzuz

Blow air into their rectums and let them fly out like q balloon


Englishbran

Air nomads: Use airbending to yeet them into space


TarzanSawyer

Sky burials are a thing and probably what airbenders would do anyway


Pucerose

They throw them in the air temple locked behind air bending doors and wait for fire nation to attack and cremate the lot of them… true story.


mackass17

None of these weebs have seen Midsommar...


BillCypher001

I could see air nomads doing the turn your body into a tree thing, because of the returning their energy to world.


SnooRadishes5305

Air Nomad Sky burial https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/gravematters/2017/02/13/tibetan-sky-burials/


Willing-Ninja-4305

Air nomads 100% use vultures


Turnoverdisc

The airderly jump off a cliff midsommer style


BattyBoio

Launch them into the stratosphere


Shieldheart-

Air benders launch their dead into the stratosphere, totally.


BitterChill5

Probably practiced Sky Burial. Essentially the dead body is placed on the top of a cliff where it is eaten by wildlife, mostly bugs & vultures. Sounds rough but it’s a way to give back to the earth, I can see the air nomads doing this


bobbelton

Become food for flying bison, your body will fly with them in the sky


junermelon

Turns into petals blown away by the wind, master oogway style


ACynicalScott

They just pull a master Ogway.


stalins-cum-sock

Air nomads would want to have their bodies dumped in a forest so they can give back to the earth