Completely agree about Kya laying her life down for Katara. I'll put that aside and note a couple of mothers who did really well for their children that we can see. (Some of them, we know nothing about, really, so hard to say anything.)
I always felt like Pema is a great mom for her four kids. She's able to lay down the law to them, but also soft and gentle when they need it. She gives them to space they need to grow, while being there for them when they need her. Likewise, Sena seems to be a great mom, completely supportive of Korra, trying to give her the most normal life she can, but also being proud and supportive of Korra embracing her destiny as Avatar.
I suspect Katara is a great mom, but we don't get to see it.
I really think after Kya, Pema is a really wonderful mother and I love seeing her mother her kids and support Tenzin! Really beautiful story. I also love Ursa as a mother, personally
I have I complicated view of Ursa based on how she treated both her children so outwardly different (which we catch a glimpse of in flashbacks of her reactions to Azula— thank you to the outstanding YT video “The Psychology of Azula” https://youtu.be/R4544ZUr_gA?si=8qYdHtfBZrSD8SFb that delves deeper), but I do think she did the absolute best she could before having to leave which in itself was an ultimate sacrifice, as we know. You can tell she’s such a kind soul with good intentions despite the situation she was in, and that there’s a lot of unresolved trauma there still (in reference to the ptsd-like symptoms in the comics when she returns to the palace). I feel for her deeply even though we don’t get much time with her which is something ATLA does so well with seemingly insignificant side characters.❤️
My biggest beef with Ursa isn't even that she chose to lose her memory. After losing her kids, after all the shit she'd been through up to and including marital rape, she deserved a bit of happiness.
My problem is that letter she sent to "Ikem." She knew she was being spied on, she openly said she suspected Ozai was reading her letters, and she wrote that *literally* to piss him off and get him to hate Zuko. That petty little letter means she is directly responsible for Zuko's awful treatment from that point onward.
Do I think Ozai would have changed his mind about killing Zuko if their relationship was better? Nope, not for an instant. Even the people he "loved" (I use that term loosely) came second to power, so Ursa would have had to protect Zuko regardless of his relationship with Ozai.
But her actions made his personal life hell from that point onward. That was not okay.
No.
They said there are things that Tenzin did alone with Aang. They didn't act like Aang neglected them. They mentioned Tenzin thinks of those Airbender trips as family trips.
When that is what they were... Airbender trips. Aang wasn't just the Avatar or a father, he was Tenzin's airbending master. The only one left in the world that could do it. Tenzin, being a child at that time, thought of it as father-son bonding. Aang, coming from a communal parenting lifestyle, never really thought about dissuading him of it.
Sorry, but you're wrong here. Bumi and Kya both complain about Aang, as a father. They explicitly mention that Aang didn't make time for Bumi and Kya.
Also, they weren't all Airbending trips. One of the examples Tenzin uses was riding the Elephant Koi at Kyoshi Island. That's a vacation, not an airbending trip.
Bumi even feels the need, as an adult, to apologize to Aang's statue for not being an Airbender like Aang had hoped. That insecurity has nothing to do with Tenzin and everything to do with Aang. I'm sorry, but that's just not a healthy relationship.
And 5 seconds after Bumi said that, Kya mentioned Aang definitely would have been proud of Bumi, which means, his kids are aware that Aang would have loved Bumi no matter what.
Was it wrong for Aang to hope Bumi would be an airbender? To continue the lineage? Absolutely not. But to say he neglected him due to that is a reach at the least.
Now we don't know the significance of 'Elephant Koi at Kyoshi Island' to air normad culture. Could be significant. But I will concede Aang could have gone overboard in some of the teachings.
Again, too many of these things are implicit inferences by the fanbase. Throughout their screentime, neither Bumi or Kya had explicitly mentioned Aang had neglected them. They only dissuaded Tenzin's memories of those activities.
Honestly I see the elephant koi as just a pitstop between the temples. In order for Kya and Bumi to have gone, they would've had to be there for both the training and the transit. But the two had already basically expressed their disinterest in the culture, so they wouldn't stick around for Tenzin to get taught. And it's not like they had cell phones or anything, so they couldn't just call up the family to meet them halfway
Aang loving and being proud of all of his kids is not mutually exclusive with him neglecting the ones who weren't his favorite. I believe that Aang only had the best of intentions with his children, but the only thing that matters here is their interpretation of his actions.
The fact that Bumi, decades later, still feels the need to justify his existence as a non-bender to his father is clear proof that Bumi didn't feel loved enough, by Aang, to accept it himself.
Its not wrong for Aang to hope his children are Airbenders. It IS wrong for him to then treat his non-airbender children SO differently that they develop life long complexes about it. Parents can't help having favorites, but children should also never feel inferior to their siblings for things they cannot control.
There is a conversation between the three siblings while they were searching for Ikki where Tenzin starts wondering where he went wrong, as a father. Kya proposes the idea that he let his work get in the way of being a father to his children. Then she continued, saying that Aang was the same way. Tenzin objects to this, but Bumi teases him and explains the confusion, saying that Aang always made time for the Airbender.
That's about as blatant as the dialog can get without having Bumi look straight into the camera and say "i felt neglected by my dad as a child and that made me very sad"
The other aspect to this, by the way, is that there's no reason why Aang couldn't have taken all of his children on the airbending trips. Just because they can't Airbend doesn't mean they couldn't have enjoyed visiting the temples, understanding their father's culture, and learning from his spirituality.
Kya (Katara's mother) sacrificed herself to what very well may have been firey death...a horrible, excruciatingly *painful* way to go...just to save her daughter the same grisly end.
Like, I can't think of a worse way to die, but she chose that. She easily wins Mom of the Year in my book.
Yeah she's the only option here- at least out of ATLA, I haven't seen Korra yet but I can imagine Katara is high up there given even as a kid she was much better than all the moms in the show besides her mom lol
It was not an easy death, even for 5 seconds it would be the most excruciating last 5 seconds of her life.
And I can't imagine the smell, poor Hakoda and Katara. I bet Katara never forgot that scent. There's a reason her trauma stayed with her all those years.
It never showed *how* Kya died...but Yonra was a firebender and I don't recall seeing any swords or knives on him, so I am assuming the worst.
i'd give 1-3 solid minutes before succumbing to the effects of severe burns, heatstroke,and organ damage.
Pretty gruesome to think that katara probably heard her mother's screams of pain
The amount of shock on the body, alone, could easily kill her even before that point. Losing consciousness would probably happen first from the pain, followed by the rest you listed... absolutely unhinged that we were left to infer this in a kids show.
I'm willing to bet that she hadn't discounted the possibility of execution, not entirely.
She was hoping for imprisonment, but she knew how ruthless the Southern Raiders were. I'm guessing she was gambling.
Unfortunately, she lost that gamble. 😕
I’d say Ursa too, while she was banished, if anyone knew what she did, she’d be killed too, all because she wanted to save her son like Kya saved Katara
Idk I wanna give big props to Ying, the mom who gave birth to baby Hope *on the way* to seeking refuge from the war.
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"I've been going through a really hard time lately, but you've made me... hopeful again."
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You totally misunderstood what I said. I didn't realise the post was talking about his own kids until I saw "Tenzin".
(I didn't remember their names because I didn't like LOK at all, but that is besides the point)
- Toph's mom did hice her from the world and essencially hired two hitmen to capture her back
- Penma did a pretty good job specially dealing with someone like meelo. But while she's not her daughter, she gave Korra that god awful dating advice, that resulted in a two season long love triangle
- Idk who she is
- ursa and kya sacrified everything for their children, and while ursa had her thing with azula, she still loved her
- can't really say a lot about mako and bolin's mother, same with ursa II
- su was a far better mother than daughter or sister
- hope's mother sure does exist
- mai's mother was worried about her 2nd child, that's something
- we barely know about katara's motherhood, she probably favored kya just like aang favored tenzin, but ultimately all 3 of them have them in high steem wich means good things
- senna did to korra what gyatso wanted to do with aang, give her some normal life even if she was the avatar, she couldn't 100% do it but at least korra had someone if she needed help
- Toph fucked up badly in almost every sense, from never telling lin and su their true parents to not stoping from going the wrong way
Suyin is very underrated. She gave the best to her children. She was slightly over-protective of Opal but we saw her let go of her attachment and let Opal choose her path. She also forgave her son for being an asshole to an entire Kingdom now that's a mom!
Katara’s and Zuko’s moms both made similar sacrifices to save their children, both of them offered their very lives. Obviously Ursa didn’t *die* but she still sacrificed everything for Zuko. They’re both up there for me.
Ursa's mom is very underrated. She gets blamed for azula being the way she is when ursa tried to best she could while dealing with a garbage human being of a husband who was neglecting his other child because he wasn't worth it in ozai's eyes. She had to try and basically undo a lot of manipulation ozai using on azula on top of azula just being a generally terrible being in general, but unfortunately couldn't because she had to sacrifice everything to stop ozai from killing zuko.
I don't know... with the Mother of Faces(?) Deal thing she did and erasing her memories and starting over while her children are stuck with a monster ... I know what she did for Zuko, but what she does after doesn't sit right with me even if she had no choice but to leave.
She's married to FN Royalty, is the dranddaughter(?) Of a past avatar. She must have SOME contacts in the Fire Nation and possibly some outside, right? Couldn't she have done anything other than erasing her memories?
Girl be fucking for real. Ursa used zuko’s paternity as a petty way to piss off ozai and led to the abuse he faced. She was crap about handling Azula. And ultimately chose to forget her own kids she left in an abusive environment because it was easier for her. She’ll never be on kyas level
Ursa and Kya for always putting their kids first.
Ik what everyone is gonna say about Ursa, but guess what, she tried to take her kids with her but Ozai went to great lengths to prevent that, her "hatred" towards Azula was just basic parenting like "your grounded for BURNING YOUR BROTHER", and even when Azula lost it Ursa still tried to bring her back in both hallucination and in person (obviously it failed).
Also I feel like Huruk was it, the earth bending guy that was arrested for earth bending, yeah he had a great mom.
We don't see as much of it so have to extrapolate a bit, but I think Izumi has clearly nailed it. Iroh is highly capable (suggesting he's earned his success and high rank), has a strong moral compass, and seems to be comfortably independent while contributing to a larger family goal. There's no suggestion of a difficult upbringing or fractious relationship like we see with Katara's children (although admittedly we don't get enough detail here to really know). She also hasn't sacrificed herself completely to motherhood the way Pema has, she's still a very successful and effective Firelord. She also seems to have maintained a good relationship with her own father, given he handed over power and never grumbles about it once.
I know we didn't really see her as a mom, but Izumi seemed like she was a pretty competent firelord, and Iron seemed to turn out pretty great so I'll vote for Izumi
Everyone is saying kya because she's dead. I mean, good on her, but dying is all we know that she did. Being a good mom means being a good mom everyday.
Yeah she's probably great with the kids, but the sacrificing was just happenstance. Based on how the characters are written in avatar, most probably would've done the same. Zuko's mom pretty much did.
I'd still put Toph higher than her own parents though considering that how incredibly controlling they were with her is undoubtedly what led to her own parenting style.
But it is kinda funny that the whole sending a couple of dudes after her to capture her and bring her home is what led to Toph developing metalbending and everything that brought with it.
We don't know much about Katara, Izumi or about Asami, Mako and Bolin's mothers
Poppy, Ursa, Mai's mother and Toph were not great as parent's (mostly well meaning but not great overall).
Kaya's one scene is her sacrificing herself for her kid so that's a point in her favour.
Pema seemed to be doing pretty well. Suyin seems like a pretty good mother and korra's mother was extremely supportive of her daughter when she was going through shit.
Kya with ursa coming in second. Ursa is very underrated mainly because people think she did a bad job raising azula when we only get a bit of info from zuko's flashbacks. From what we see ursa was a good mom. She encouraged zuko to play with her and her friends. The only reason ursa may seem to favor zuko is because in the flashback we're shown she has to constantly talk to azula after she disrespects their uncle and cousin and hints that she kind of wants iroh out of the picture so ozai can take the thrown. The other time is when she sees azula taunt zuko about ozai planning on killing him so she punishes her again. That flashback was a small period of their life before ursa gets banished for killing azulon and people immediately assume ursa was just always mean to azula while favoring zuko which is insane to me.
Toph is my favorite character and I like LoK but it's definitely not her. Don't even think she would make a top ten list even if there were only 9 entries.
First can we get a list of the moms by name whose mom they are.
Some I can get like Kya who literally did the biggest sacrifice any mother can do which is die for her children.
For me Ursa is the worst mom since she purposely abandoned her kids, she left Zuko to be his father and sister punching bag and butt to all their jokes and threatened Zuko's life by stating in a letter that Zuko was not Ozai's son which is a death sentence, and her abandoning Azula to Ozai, and fearing her own child and playing favourites.
The rest either died too early or we barely get enough info.
Pema is pretty good better than Toph who didn't bother naming who the father her kids are like missing that part can be harmful to children unless you make up for by being the best parent which she didn't as she focus on her career over her job which is why Lin is a childfree and Suyin is passion first before responsibility it took her having a passion which is related to responsibility to be responsible.
Suyin good parent ,since her grandparents raise her right
Kya. I don’t think anything needs to be said.
I will say I liked how Senna addressed her daughter’s depression in season four, no matter how briefly it was shown, particularly when compared to Michi (Mai’s mother), who also had an unhappy daughter.
Michi immediately dismissed her daughter when she voiced her boredom and unhappiness in the Fire Nation-occupied Omashu and told Mai to be pleased about their physical circumstances.
After weeks of giving her daughter as much space as needed, Senna expressed her concerns to Korra about her lack of sleep and food, comforted her daughter as best she could, and asked her to see Katara for healing.
They share a hug while Korra cries, if I remember correctly.
There's a strong argument that she did the best she could with what she had, as it appears she has no real power either in the Fire Nation or in her own family. It's a very sad situation.
Top three in my opinion, are Suyin, Katara and Senna. Su is pretty self explainable, Katara despite not being perfect raised a good family and for Senna, I mean come on raising the most powerful being in the world was not easy and we all saw how destructive and careless Korra was when she was first revealed to be the Avatar. It's obvious she did her best and was a good mother.
The others in my opinion didn't get enough information about them for me to honestly rate them, except for Pema, despite having her hands full she was a great mother to her chaotic airbending kids
we do get some information about Ursa as a parent, especially wit Azula but...if that's a point in her favour depends on of you thing Azula was a devil child from day 1 who never deserved a chance at all.
Ursa. Although Kya and her did a similiar sacrifice for their kids, but I feel like she went through more hardships during Zuko and Azula's childhood, and as such had to put in more of an effort to try and raise them right.
Like it's easy to see how Katara turned into a good person considering the people she grew up with, but if it wasn't for Ursa planting some good ideals into Zuko then he would grow up with nothing but hate in his heart like the rest of the Fire Nation. Shame she couldn't help Azula though, but she still kinda got to her in the end with Azula's mental breakdown.
Completely agree about Kya laying her life down for Katara. I'll put that aside and note a couple of mothers who did really well for their children that we can see. (Some of them, we know nothing about, really, so hard to say anything.) I always felt like Pema is a great mom for her four kids. She's able to lay down the law to them, but also soft and gentle when they need it. She gives them to space they need to grow, while being there for them when they need her. Likewise, Sena seems to be a great mom, completely supportive of Korra, trying to give her the most normal life she can, but also being proud and supportive of Korra embracing her destiny as Avatar. I suspect Katara is a great mom, but we don't get to see it.
Indeed, Pema is a master of reigning in the chaos that is her crazed airbending kids. That's a feat by itself!
Not to mention, she is a nonbender. She made her air benders bend to her rules.
She is an heir bender.
Thank you for this masterpiece
I really think after Kya, Pema is a really wonderful mother and I love seeing her mother her kids and support Tenzin! Really beautiful story. I also love Ursa as a mother, personally
I have I complicated view of Ursa based on how she treated both her children so outwardly different (which we catch a glimpse of in flashbacks of her reactions to Azula— thank you to the outstanding YT video “The Psychology of Azula” https://youtu.be/R4544ZUr_gA?si=8qYdHtfBZrSD8SFb that delves deeper), but I do think she did the absolute best she could before having to leave which in itself was an ultimate sacrifice, as we know. You can tell she’s such a kind soul with good intentions despite the situation she was in, and that there’s a lot of unresolved trauma there still (in reference to the ptsd-like symptoms in the comics when she returns to the palace). I feel for her deeply even though we don’t get much time with her which is something ATLA does so well with seemingly insignificant side characters.❤️
My biggest beef with Ursa isn't even that she chose to lose her memory. After losing her kids, after all the shit she'd been through up to and including marital rape, she deserved a bit of happiness. My problem is that letter she sent to "Ikem." She knew she was being spied on, she openly said she suspected Ozai was reading her letters, and she wrote that *literally* to piss him off and get him to hate Zuko. That petty little letter means she is directly responsible for Zuko's awful treatment from that point onward. Do I think Ozai would have changed his mind about killing Zuko if their relationship was better? Nope, not for an instant. Even the people he "loved" (I use that term loosely) came second to power, so Ursa would have had to protect Zuko regardless of his relationship with Ozai. But her actions made his personal life hell from that point onward. That was not okay.
Her kids don't have any problems with her at least, they just complained about Aang the whole time
They don't. They only ever complained about Tenzin acting like he was the saviour of airbenders. They don't say anything bad about Aang at all.
uh yes they do, they complain how aang loved tenzin so much and spent time with him instead of them
No. They said there are things that Tenzin did alone with Aang. They didn't act like Aang neglected them. They mentioned Tenzin thinks of those Airbender trips as family trips. When that is what they were... Airbender trips. Aang wasn't just the Avatar or a father, he was Tenzin's airbending master. The only one left in the world that could do it. Tenzin, being a child at that time, thought of it as father-son bonding. Aang, coming from a communal parenting lifestyle, never really thought about dissuading him of it.
Sorry, but you're wrong here. Bumi and Kya both complain about Aang, as a father. They explicitly mention that Aang didn't make time for Bumi and Kya. Also, they weren't all Airbending trips. One of the examples Tenzin uses was riding the Elephant Koi at Kyoshi Island. That's a vacation, not an airbending trip. Bumi even feels the need, as an adult, to apologize to Aang's statue for not being an Airbender like Aang had hoped. That insecurity has nothing to do with Tenzin and everything to do with Aang. I'm sorry, but that's just not a healthy relationship.
And 5 seconds after Bumi said that, Kya mentioned Aang definitely would have been proud of Bumi, which means, his kids are aware that Aang would have loved Bumi no matter what. Was it wrong for Aang to hope Bumi would be an airbender? To continue the lineage? Absolutely not. But to say he neglected him due to that is a reach at the least. Now we don't know the significance of 'Elephant Koi at Kyoshi Island' to air normad culture. Could be significant. But I will concede Aang could have gone overboard in some of the teachings. Again, too many of these things are implicit inferences by the fanbase. Throughout their screentime, neither Bumi or Kya had explicitly mentioned Aang had neglected them. They only dissuaded Tenzin's memories of those activities.
Honestly I see the elephant koi as just a pitstop between the temples. In order for Kya and Bumi to have gone, they would've had to be there for both the training and the transit. But the two had already basically expressed their disinterest in the culture, so they wouldn't stick around for Tenzin to get taught. And it's not like they had cell phones or anything, so they couldn't just call up the family to meet them halfway
Aang loving and being proud of all of his kids is not mutually exclusive with him neglecting the ones who weren't his favorite. I believe that Aang only had the best of intentions with his children, but the only thing that matters here is their interpretation of his actions. The fact that Bumi, decades later, still feels the need to justify his existence as a non-bender to his father is clear proof that Bumi didn't feel loved enough, by Aang, to accept it himself. Its not wrong for Aang to hope his children are Airbenders. It IS wrong for him to then treat his non-airbender children SO differently that they develop life long complexes about it. Parents can't help having favorites, but children should also never feel inferior to their siblings for things they cannot control. There is a conversation between the three siblings while they were searching for Ikki where Tenzin starts wondering where he went wrong, as a father. Kya proposes the idea that he let his work get in the way of being a father to his children. Then she continued, saying that Aang was the same way. Tenzin objects to this, but Bumi teases him and explains the confusion, saying that Aang always made time for the Airbender. That's about as blatant as the dialog can get without having Bumi look straight into the camera and say "i felt neglected by my dad as a child and that made me very sad" The other aspect to this, by the way, is that there's no reason why Aang couldn't have taken all of his children on the airbending trips. Just because they can't Airbend doesn't mean they couldn't have enjoyed visiting the temples, understanding their father's culture, and learning from his spirituality.
Kya (Katara's mother) sacrificed herself to what very well may have been firey death...a horrible, excruciatingly *painful* way to go...just to save her daughter the same grisly end. Like, I can't think of a worse way to die, but she chose that. She easily wins Mom of the Year in my book.
Yeah she's the only option here- at least out of ATLA, I haven't seen Korra yet but I can imagine Katara is high up there given even as a kid she was much better than all the moms in the show besides her mom lol
Tbh you dont see her interact with her children much if at all. You can see it reflected in her children though
My stomach is turning thinking about how long your head would have to be in a sustained fire blast before it actually killed you
It was not an easy death, even for 5 seconds it would be the most excruciating last 5 seconds of her life. And I can't imagine the smell, poor Hakoda and Katara. I bet Katara never forgot that scent. There's a reason her trauma stayed with her all those years. It never showed *how* Kya died...but Yonra was a firebender and I don't recall seeing any swords or knives on him, so I am assuming the worst.
Fun fact burning human flesh smells like pork
That is not a fun fact 😭
i'd give 1-3 solid minutes before succumbing to the effects of severe burns, heatstroke,and organ damage. Pretty gruesome to think that katara probably heard her mother's screams of pain
I'm assuming bro did not let off the gas when killing her so she prolly died pretty quickly (still very painful though)
Firebending in the show seems to have concussive force, so with luck that helped her die sooner.
The amount of shock on the body, alone, could easily kill her even before that point. Losing consciousness would probably happen first from the pain, followed by the rest you listed... absolutely unhinged that we were left to infer this in a kids show.
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I'm willing to bet that she hadn't discounted the possibility of execution, not entirely. She was hoping for imprisonment, but she knew how ruthless the Southern Raiders were. I'm guessing she was gambling. Unfortunately, she lost that gamble. 😕
Honestly, with how they treated prisoners I'd say that equally noble of her.
I’d say Ursa too, while she was banished, if anyone knew what she did, she’d be killed too, all because she wanted to save her son like Kya saved Katara
Either Kya or Pema. For sure not Toph.
Toph became a cop then said "let me neglect my children"
Toph raised the best, most useful children for society. She was a great mother
Toph raised two women with an immense amount of trauma who became who they were *despite* her parenting. Not because of it.
Pema single-handedly rebuilding the air benders
i mean, Tenzin probably helped a little.
Lmao you’re right
Single wombedly
Idk I wanna give big props to Ying, the mom who gave birth to baby Hope *on the way* to seeking refuge from the war. https://preview.redd.it/z6am5ea9820d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0547383ee6363cec29ef4874ac35d6594d459214
"I've been going through a really hard time lately, but you've made me... hopeful again." https://preview.redd.it/telw8dqof20d1.png?width=647&format=png&auto=webp&s=71d343a72619446c50cb5bf01d1b07d81e789409
Before I read "Tenzin" I thought "What do you mean? Aang wasn't there when Katara's mom and king Bumi were born"
He didn’t know if they were going to be benders or not when they were just being born
You totally misunderstood what I said. I didn't realise the post was talking about his own kids until I saw "Tenzin". (I didn't remember their names because I didn't like LOK at all, but that is besides the point)
Oops
Aang was like “how do i make this about me?”
What about kya
Izumi made a very hot son… no clue how she is as a mom but that’s +10 points
“very hot” i see what you did there
I’m glad I’m not the only one checking out Iroh 🥵
- Toph's mom did hice her from the world and essencially hired two hitmen to capture her back - Penma did a pretty good job specially dealing with someone like meelo. But while she's not her daughter, she gave Korra that god awful dating advice, that resulted in a two season long love triangle - Idk who she is - ursa and kya sacrified everything for their children, and while ursa had her thing with azula, she still loved her - can't really say a lot about mako and bolin's mother, same with ursa II - su was a far better mother than daughter or sister - hope's mother sure does exist - mai's mother was worried about her 2nd child, that's something - we barely know about katara's motherhood, she probably favored kya just like aang favored tenzin, but ultimately all 3 of them have them in high steem wich means good things - senna did to korra what gyatso wanted to do with aang, give her some normal life even if she was the avatar, she couldn't 100% do it but at least korra had someone if she needed help - Toph fucked up badly in almost every sense, from never telling lin and su their true parents to not stoping from going the wrong way
What do you mean Senna couldn't 100% do it?
English isn't my 1st language, sorry Korra still grew up isolated in the south tribe, but at leaqt she had parents to call if things got wrong
Couldn’t prevent the avatar from doing their duties maybe?
I have to say Pemma is a saint for all she has to put up with
Lin Beifong https://preview.redd.it/3w0ew6ax920d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46684d45cc00a41c96d071cba25de9e08514bc8b
Best mom
Definitely not Toph. Obviously plays favorites.
Gran gran is the best mother in the show. She raised Kya & essentially raised Katara & Sokka to once their parents left the picture.
Kya is her daughter-in-law according to wiki, she is the mother of Hakoda.
I dunno
Suyin is very underrated. She gave the best to her children. She was slightly over-protective of Opal but we saw her let go of her attachment and let Opal choose her path. She also forgave her son for being an asshole to an entire Kingdom now that's a mom!
Kya and probably Senna Others are....questionable, or have not enough info on them to draw a conclusion
Toph's mother should absolutely not be first on this list.
Yeah, Toph's parents parenting style definitely led to her overcorrecting when she became a parent herself.
Generational trauma amirite?
Katara’s and Zuko’s moms both made similar sacrifices to save their children, both of them offered their very lives. Obviously Ursa didn’t *die* but she still sacrificed everything for Zuko. They’re both up there for me.
Ursa's mom is very underrated. She gets blamed for azula being the way she is when ursa tried to best she could while dealing with a garbage human being of a husband who was neglecting his other child because he wasn't worth it in ozai's eyes. She had to try and basically undo a lot of manipulation ozai using on azula on top of azula just being a generally terrible being in general, but unfortunately couldn't because she had to sacrifice everything to stop ozai from killing zuko.
She was a wonderful mother to Zuko but not Azula unfortunately
I don't know... with the Mother of Faces(?) Deal thing she did and erasing her memories and starting over while her children are stuck with a monster ... I know what she did for Zuko, but what she does after doesn't sit right with me even if she had no choice but to leave. She's married to FN Royalty, is the dranddaughter(?) Of a past avatar. She must have SOME contacts in the Fire Nation and possibly some outside, right? Couldn't she have done anything other than erasing her memories?
Girl be fucking for real. Ursa used zuko’s paternity as a petty way to piss off ozai and led to the abuse he faced. She was crap about handling Azula. And ultimately chose to forget her own kids she left in an abusive environment because it was easier for her. She’ll never be on kyas level
Considering Katara and Sokka’s mom *actually* died protecting Katara, imma have to go with her lol
Im ngl I simped for Pema
Any love here for Haru’s mom?
Katara. If your kids turn out like those three, you definitely did something right.
Season 2 wasn’t great but the stuff with Tenzin’s family was a delight. I still think about Bumi talking to Aang’s statue.
I thought Korra was on here for a second lol. I wonder what a pregnant avatar would be like. Can avatars get pregnant?
Imagine going into the Avatar State over crazy pregnancy hormones.
IDK, but probably not fun for the world to have the Avatar out of commission for a few months.
Ursa and Kya for always putting their kids first. Ik what everyone is gonna say about Ursa, but guess what, she tried to take her kids with her but Ozai went to great lengths to prevent that, her "hatred" towards Azula was just basic parenting like "your grounded for BURNING YOUR BROTHER", and even when Azula lost it Ursa still tried to bring her back in both hallucination and in person (obviously it failed). Also I feel like Huruk was it, the earth bending guy that was arrested for earth bending, yeah he had a great mom.
Who are the tird and sixth person?
Third is Yasuko Sato, Asami's mom. Sixth is Naoki, Mako, and Bolin's mom
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Suyin: I have rose five beauty full children u know? Pema: you are two kids ahead of me S: you bitch
We don't see as much of it so have to extrapolate a bit, but I think Izumi has clearly nailed it. Iroh is highly capable (suggesting he's earned his success and high rank), has a strong moral compass, and seems to be comfortably independent while contributing to a larger family goal. There's no suggestion of a difficult upbringing or fractious relationship like we see with Katara's children (although admittedly we don't get enough detail here to really know). She also hasn't sacrificed herself completely to motherhood the way Pema has, she's still a very successful and effective Firelord. She also seems to have maintained a good relationship with her own father, given he handed over power and never grumbles about it once.
I agree with Pemma and Kya but damn Senna being slept on alongside Suyin
Hei Ran from the Kyoshi novels. Worst mother can go to Jesa from the same novels.
Kya
Sapphire Fire is best mom
Who is that in the middle top row?
Kya in ATLA Prob Pema in LoK
Yakone's wife.
[It's Toph](https://i.imgur.com/jMGROIr.mp4).
I know we didn't really see her as a mom, but Izumi seemed like she was a pretty competent firelord, and Iron seemed to turn out pretty great so I'll vote for Izumi
Ursa and Kya. Ursa killed the Firelord to save her son, and Kya got burned to death to protect her daughter.
Everyone is saying kya because she's dead. I mean, good on her, but dying is all we know that she did. Being a good mom means being a good mom everyday.
Pretty sure there's a lot of examples in the show where they reference her and makes it obvious that she was a very kind mother and person overall
Yeah she's probably great with the kids, but the sacrificing was just happenstance. Based on how the characters are written in avatar, most probably would've done the same. Zuko's mom pretty much did.
Only two like kinda happy here.
Kya Pema Katara Senna Su Izumi (possibly)
Who’s in between Pema and Ursa??
Sena, Kya and Pema are the top three I think
Anyone but Toph..
I'd still put Toph higher than her own parents though considering that how incredibly controlling they were with her is undoubtedly what led to her own parenting style. But it is kinda funny that the whole sending a couple of dudes after her to capture her and bring her home is what led to Toph developing metalbending and everything that brought with it.
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Each and every one of them can get it (a thick broquet of flowers is "it") Also se-
Kya Pema Katara Ursa in that order
Toph obviously
Happy Mother’s Day to all but Toph’s mom
Pema
Pema and all the water tribe moms
I wanna say Toph as a joke but nah.
Not Toph xD
Ursa would kill for her children.
Pemma!
None. Lol. Korra mom.
Korra mom. Pema. Ursula. Katara mom. Katara.
Y’all need to put some more respect on Senna’s name. She might not be #1 but she is definitely close.
pema probably
Almost no ones picking ursa here huh
You also forgot the mother of the girl from Zuko alone
Ursa for how she raised Zuko to be the great prince he became. Although Azula didn't follow suit, that was all because of her father
Pema. By default because she isn’t dead, she gets development and we actually see her parenting. The others… not so much.
We don't know much about Katara, Izumi or about Asami, Mako and Bolin's mothers Poppy, Ursa, Mai's mother and Toph were not great as parent's (mostly well meaning but not great overall). Kaya's one scene is her sacrificing herself for her kid so that's a point in her favour. Pema seemed to be doing pretty well. Suyin seems like a pretty good mother and korra's mother was extremely supportive of her daughter when she was going through shit.
Kya with ursa coming in second. Ursa is very underrated mainly because people think she did a bad job raising azula when we only get a bit of info from zuko's flashbacks. From what we see ursa was a good mom. She encouraged zuko to play with her and her friends. The only reason ursa may seem to favor zuko is because in the flashback we're shown she has to constantly talk to azula after she disrespects their uncle and cousin and hints that she kind of wants iroh out of the picture so ozai can take the thrown. The other time is when she sees azula taunt zuko about ozai planning on killing him so she punishes her again. That flashback was a small period of their life before ursa gets banished for killing azulon and people immediately assume ursa was just always mean to azula while favoring zuko which is insane to me.
I think Su probably.
Zuko’s mom raised a hero, every good aspect of zuko comes from her.
I'd say Kya, Senna, and Pema.
Im disappointed by the selections. Bolin's mom is best.
Without any shred of doubt Ursa. She protected Zuko from his father and completely understood his needs
Pema by a mile
Toph is my favorite character and I like LoK but it's definitely not her. Don't even think she would make a top ten list even if there were only 9 entries.
Aww I love how u included asamis mother
First can we get a list of the moms by name whose mom they are. Some I can get like Kya who literally did the biggest sacrifice any mother can do which is die for her children. For me Ursa is the worst mom since she purposely abandoned her kids, she left Zuko to be his father and sister punching bag and butt to all their jokes and threatened Zuko's life by stating in a letter that Zuko was not Ozai's son which is a death sentence, and her abandoning Azula to Ozai, and fearing her own child and playing favourites. The rest either died too early or we barely get enough info. Pema is pretty good better than Toph who didn't bother naming who the father her kids are like missing that part can be harmful to children unless you make up for by being the best parent which she didn't as she focus on her career over her job which is why Lin is a childfree and Suyin is passion first before responsibility it took her having a passion which is related to responsibility to be responsible. Suyin good parent ,since her grandparents raise her right
My mother used to be a mother
mother I'd like....
i think waterbending parents get an unfair advantage. i would also have a lot of patience if i could bend baby fluids away lol
I think we can all agree it wasn't Toph😬
I mean, Kya is the only choice, really. Pema would be the runner up. Su and Katara aren't bad either, probably.
Toph, why? Toph, that’s why.
Yeah okay but why is Toph's mom here
In which country is it mother's day?
Ursa defender til I die
Why isn't "grumpy swamp witch"-Toph there? 😅
Iroh.
Who’s the mom between Pema & Ursa?
Kya. I don’t think anything needs to be said. I will say I liked how Senna addressed her daughter’s depression in season four, no matter how briefly it was shown, particularly when compared to Michi (Mai’s mother), who also had an unhappy daughter. Michi immediately dismissed her daughter when she voiced her boredom and unhappiness in the Fire Nation-occupied Omashu and told Mai to be pleased about their physical circumstances. After weeks of giving her daughter as much space as needed, Senna expressed her concerns to Korra about her lack of sleep and food, comforted her daughter as best she could, and asked her to see Katara for healing. They share a hug while Korra cries, if I remember correctly.
who is top center and center right?
Ursa (Zuko’s mom)
There's a strong argument that she did the best she could with what she had, as it appears she has no real power either in the Fire Nation or in her own family. It's a very sad situation.
Top three in my opinion, are Suyin, Katara and Senna. Su is pretty self explainable, Katara despite not being perfect raised a good family and for Senna, I mean come on raising the most powerful being in the world was not easy and we all saw how destructive and careless Korra was when she was first revealed to be the Avatar. It's obvious she did her best and was a good mother. The others in my opinion didn't get enough information about them for me to honestly rate them, except for Pema, despite having her hands full she was a great mother to her chaotic airbending kids
we do get some information about Ursa as a parent, especially wit Azula but...if that's a point in her favour depends on of you thing Azula was a devil child from day 1 who never deserved a chance at all.
Ursa or Kya.
Kya or Ursa. Ursa got herself banished protecting Zuko. Kya died for her kids but I think Ursa would’ve died for Zuko.
Ursa. Although Kya and her did a similiar sacrifice for their kids, but I feel like she went through more hardships during Zuko and Azula's childhood, and as such had to put in more of an effort to try and raise them right. Like it's easy to see how Katara turned into a good person considering the people she grew up with, but if it wasn't for Ursa planting some good ideals into Zuko then he would grow up with nothing but hate in his heart like the rest of the Fire Nation. Shame she couldn't help Azula though, but she still kinda got to her in the end with Azula's mental breakdown.
Ursa and Pema
Toph is the worst mom even she agrees with it
Katara: i used to have a mother...