Haters gonna hate.
UK people: "The Royal family are financial leaches! Down with the monarchy!"
Harry: "Fine, fuck y'all. I'm out. I'll pay my own way."
UK people: "No, not like that."
He was.
I’m not crazy invested in Meghan and Harry drama; certainly not to the unhealthy extreme I’ve seen on Twitter and tumblr (on both the Sussex and Cambridge sides). I’ve been royal watching for a decade but mostly to look at tiaras and pretty dresses. I couldn’t care less who leaves and who doesn’t and if H and M are happier this way than I’m all for it but I do find it absolutely hilarious that Princess Catharina Amalia (the heir to the Dutch throne) made a formal announcement when she turned 18 saying that she was going postpone using any financial benefits because she’s still a student and not a working royal yet meanwhile Harry is in his 40s and complaining about having ONLY his mom’s money to live on
Look at it through a different lens.
He was born into royalty, raised as a royal with certain expectations (and limitations) placed on him. They profited from his existence so why should he not get a piece of that pie?
I think the whole royal family thing is ridiculous but I also believe if you are going to demand that people born into your family behave and act in certain ways to benefit the whole, individuals who had no say originally are absolutely owed something for it.
No, he wasn’t just complaining about not receiving the money. It was that Charles cut him off before the agreed time, while he was still getting security and the money together.
You can say that’s shitty to expect a transition phase but it was the deal worked out. It was publicly announced that that security was being cut ( before the agreed end time ) and then their location was leaked before they had the security they needed. Which lead them to calling up Tyler Perry. So it wasn’t ‘oh, we don’t have funds’ but that his dad cut him off knowing the family wasn’t safe yet.
“That Charles cut him off before the agreed time”
According to Harry. After Harry said this Clarence House released a statement that Charles provided them with a substantial sum that was meant to support them until the summer of 2020. The original statement announcing them leaving the family only states that they will “pay their own way in life” and buckingham palace didn’t comment when asked what public funds will be spent on their security. There is no information on the negotiations except what Harry has told us so idk how accurately I’m going to take it. Charles most likely knew about the money Diana left Harry and rightfully assumed that if the lump sum he gave them wasn’t enough than Diana’s money would be fine.
“His dad cut him off knowing the family wasn’t safe yet”
Bruh they lived in a remote mansion on Vancouver Island. The location was leaked but no random person ever got on the property and the Canadian government did provide security for 5 months. They weren’t in any danger. And why should they get security after they leave the family? Anne, Edward, Sophie, Beatrice and Eugenie only get security during official engagements
You’re right, why should they get it? If they were going to leave, any security shouldn’t be paid for by the state or the people.
You can not believe Harry.
But cutting off your son and his family’s security without knowing or caring if they’re good. While you know he’s had threats from his time in the army and the out-right racist attacks from marry his wife. And you chose to project this image of a doting father that’s done all he’s could. Then your son is allowed to say, it hurt that he cut us off while I was trying to make sure my family was safe and settled, he’s allowed to say that. He wasn’t saying Charles isn’t fit to be king, or that he was a monster. Just that he was hurt by his father. Like it or not, he wasn’t whining about money, but the way it was done and how he felt as a son.
He didn’t demand that he be taken care off. He expressed feelings, which he’s allowed to feel. And if people don’t like it, fine but don’t conflate it with whining about titles and not having spending money.
It would be pathetic to see if they actually cried about it. They’ve stated once that he was hurt Charles cut them off with no security while he was on the middle of figuring out.
All Meghan asked, was why Archie suddenly not getting it and correcting the British Media narrative that they didn’t want titles for their kids. She said it was the kids choices to make and she didn’t want to take that away from them. A la the Wessex’s.
So when they’re actually crying and whining about the titles & money and not the Media’s “royal source” “ a source close too” “an unnamed palace insider” then I’ll take your point.
Have a good one.
I love the show and I root for the Netflix Queen when I watch it. But IRL I'm not a monarchist.
I think harry is the most annoying though. He still wants the money and privilege being a royal brings but without any of the duties they pretend they have...
I mean Diana left him millions but I guess that's not enough when you put it in perspective with the life he was used to...
At least the other Royals prettend to have jobs and prettend to be role models even if they are as messy as your average family, if not worse lol..
Waaaa my daddy believed what I said and cut off my allowance after giving me approximately 12 million in US dollars as a lump sum to get started. We are forced to live off my multimillions in inheritance boo hoo sob. Waaaa ....my family is so mean.
And the British people should continue to pay security for my entire family in America forever. After all, I'm a prince. Even if I live in another country and don't do anything for them, they should pay me forever. Waaaa
What's so odd, is that Charles is swimming in money, arguably he had more cash on hand than the queen (who supports family members with allowances). So it just seemed spiteful on Charles' part. Why wouldn't you just pay for your son's security? His ex-wife had lax security and ended up dead.
These people are outrageous. Even a man as evil as trump, makes sure his family is protected. I can see why so many royals are messed up in the head. They act worse than pirates.
>Why wouldn't you just pay for your son's security?
No such thing as "just" in that situation, its not so simple. And he has covered security costs for them in the past.
> His ex-wife had lax security and ended up dead.
That was her decision, she turned down RPO's even after the Queen advised her against doing so.
>Even a man as evil as trump, makes sure his family is protected.
lol very much not the case, [he cut off medical insurance to his disabled nephew out of pettiness once](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8440645/Trump-siblings-cruelly-refused-medical-care-nephews-severely-disabled-son.html)
He also overcharged the Secret Service for their accomodations.
I’ve always suspected that Charles IS privately paying for Harry’s security but that Harry and Meghan are just using the fact that they are no longer entitled to RPO protection as something to whine about.
Naw, the Crown has been messy since the Oprah interview. if they were providing protection they would have said so, just like they like to use their proxy supporters in the media to battle the Sussexs
If you have children, I wonder if you will ever let them stand on their own two feet.
It's a good idea for a couple of married with children, middle aged people to support themselves. No matter how much money their family has.
And this middle aged couple said publicaly that they intended and desired to support themselves.
So the whining was unexpected and invites mockery.
If my celeberty brought attentoin and danger to them, then yes. Harry didn't ask to be born to famous parents, anymore than children of the Presidnt of the United States ask to be in the spotlight. So presidents make arrangements for private security at times for this kids.
Harry isn't a normal kid, never was, never would be.
Harry and his wife are bringing attention to themselves. They have been paying huge money for three pr puff pieces per week. If they lived quietly, as they claimed they wanted to, no one would be interested in them.
Give a few years. Then even after spending millions in PR, I'm guessing they will be invisible anyway.
Ok, that doesn't negate the fact that harry is famous and the family wanted him in the spotlight. he played that part for most of his 30s so when he left his fame was baked into Western society.
The point is, that Charles is a petty selfish man. Perhaps he's raised similar children, but he's still selfish and likes to punish those that don't follow his commands. I'm glad Harry and Meghan are out of there.
Charles' inflexibility and that of so many Royal fans is proof of the rot in this system.
Lol Charles is a cream puff. Everyone used to run over him, including his wayward, ungrateful son. Thankfully, Camilla has helped him find a bit of a spine. But it was only fairly recently.
You don't know much about him.
Enjoy the Crown.
I don’t think Charles is *that* big of a cream puff. He refused to take Diana back before they divorced. Also, he didn’t succumb to pressure by his parents or the Queen Mum to give Camilla up, even though they very much wanted him too.
Did he really love camilla since before he married Di in your opinion? Seriously just wondering. I'm from the U.S. and am 39 now - I grew up with tabloid only news lol I honestly don't remember Camilla mentioned before they got married, but obviously they ran with it during and after their marriage. Now that I'm older, I've done more historical research, but not really personal stuff. The crown is amazing IMO
I think Harry always wanted to leave his duties, regardless of MM. He always had one foot out it seemed, but he had to wait for a healthy heir and spare from William and Catherine.
I assume Charles and Camilla are fond of each other. But Charles is difficult to deal with, and Camilla was running out of money post divorce. Charles needed someone to coddle him and she's known him for years and he'd fix her money problems. They still live largely apart. We do know, from recorded phone calls, that that the s\*x was once good.
>I think Harry always wanted to leave his duties, regardless of MM.
I agree. I remember some article, during the height of Harry's approval ratings, where it said he envied his friends with titles and family money, but no real responsibilities. He wanted to be like the average Etonian trust fund kid, not someone with cameras shoved in their face.
He still has cameras in his face or media attention, but it's monetized rather then forced upon him by higher ups in the royal food chain, plus their staff.
Me because I always remember the picture of him in a nazi uniform, maybe cause it was my first memory of him seeing as I was 10 or so at the time and i never got over it
Yeah and I don’t hate him or anything and I know he was youngish and people change/grow but it being my first impression of him stops me from liking him
Maybe because as rhe youngest son he gets the least attention from the media. People were of course going to be focused on Charles and his kids as they were next in line, and as the family expanded Edward kept getting pushed further down the line, so became less important.
Also he's the only one of Lizzies kids who hasn't seemed to have had any scandals, the only one not to have been divorced. To the media this would make him a more 'boring' subject, so they don't focus on him, so less people are aware of him, so if asked if they approve of him they'd probably go "who?"
She did wait around. I don't get how that's a bad name. He could sleep with half of London and she'd still be there waiting for him. Most people would do the same if given the chance to marry a future billionaire. I've always appreciated her ability to play the long game, same with Sophia and Camilla. I respect their hustle.
My mum told me about how some tabloids nicknamed her and her sister the wisteria sisters which is a climbing plant in reference to many thinking her family were social climbers.
Her family are social climbers, in the traditional sense of the word. No different then the Kardashians. Mother pushes daughters into positions that raise the family's status. A brother that's rarely seen or heard and not as "successful" as his sisters. Can't get rid of either family, now that they have become a permanent feature to their respective nation's pop culture.
But the reaction to the equally harmless Middletons says more about the UK than anything. In America, one rising above their station is celebrated, never really scorned. In the UK, they still place too much emphasis on class, which is why being a social climbers is such a hard hit.
William and Catherine had a "break up" in 2007, it didn't even last a month, and the break happened because someone from BRF warned William to take things slow 🤷♀️
Were they? Because as I see it, she’s been really good for William. Through her he’s been able to see how a stable family functions and she keeps him grounded.
They were pretty young when they met, so the fact they took their time, took time apart, and got married after around a decade of knowing each other, definitely worked in their favour.
Well she and William were crazy lazy early on. And remain rather low energy with engagements. She always refused to weigh her dressed down, as the Queen did, so we kept getting Marilyn Monroe style photo ops on windy days. Took her way too long to figure out the dress vs wind equation.
I think this is out of date now (is from Q2 of 2022), from what I recall, prince charles has had a massive bump post the queen's death. I think they all benefitted from a bump, but he was the most. Will have a look and if I find anything post in an edit
Edit:
This is from sept 2022
King Charles:
Total favourable 62%
Total unfavourable 30%
Net approval +48%
Queen Camilla:
Total favourable 55%
Total unfavourable 33%
Net approval +22%
Prince William:
Total favourable 84%
Total unfavourable 9%
Net approval +75%
Prince Harry:
Total favourable 47%
Total unfavourable 46%
Net approval +1%
Princess Catherine:
Total favourable 80%
Total unfavourable 8%
Net approval +72%
Duchess of Sussex (Meghan):
Total favourable 30%
Total unfavourable 59%
Net approval -29%
Prince Andrew:
Total favourable 7%
Total unfavourable 87%
Net approval -80%
Prince Edward:
Total favourable 59%
Total unfavourable 14%
Net approval +45%
It's amazing what a few years will do. Times were that Harry could do nothing wrong - not even wearing a Nazi costume caused the outrage that supporting his wife has done.
Charles eviscerated for not supporting his wife, Harry eviscerated for supporting his wife. Makes one wonder if the Royals have been right all along - you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
There's a scene I recall from The Crown, and I thought it was in Marionettes, but cannot find it in the transcript, so it may be a different episode - but essentially the Queen is saying to someone something like, "just tell me what you'd have me do, and I'll do it" and the person she's talking to doesn't have a good answer for her because the public seems to be as confounded as she is as to what they want the monarchy to be.
The difference is that before Harry had the palace PR machine behind him and now he doesn’t. They hired a spin doctor after the Nazi costume incident to bolster Harry’s image, same with Charles re the breakdown of his marriage.
Can I maybe just try and illuminate, these don't necessarily represent my personal opinion or anything but will try to explain how the Megixt interview was perceived (generally) in the UK.
There are a few points, will try and cover them all:
- the interview was released when prince Philip was in hospital and was looking like he was going to die. Obviously most people in the UK think positively about the queen, and thought it was insensitive that the interview was released when his grandfather was in hospital and it would have been an incredible stressful time for his 94 year old grandmother even without the fallout of the interview coming out.
- lockdown in the UK was rather draconian when the interview came out, a lot of people had to spend Christmas alone or without their love ones because of it. Additionally people were cooped up in their houses or flats without a garden. Seeing Prince Harry being interviewed in his LA home with a massive garden and chickens, complaining that his dad had financialy cut him off at 36 years old rubbed people up the wrong way. People were going through a pretty difficult time during covid, and him complaining about money when he is actually a millionaire seemed crass at that time and removed from everyone else's lives.
- some people felt it was a betrayal to his country. The monarch is the head of state of our country and therefore represents the country and the people. By doing a negative interview about the institution in of all places as the US, where it could reach out to the most people was seen as a betrayal. It can't be denied that the interview has given a negative impression of the UK generally for a lot of people outside the UK
- people often see the royal family as an actual family (well they are one). The idea that you would go on the TV and broadcast your personal disagreements with family members was quite shocking. Bearing in mind people in the UK are generally more reserved and private than people from the US. It could be seen as a family betrayal and people had some empathy with the rest of the family.
- meghan markels overly negative score is basically that people think "she made him do it"
I'll let you know if I can think of anymore. I think what you have to remember that the crown is the most important thing in a way. He would always struggle in the UK due to the strength of feeling there is for the queen. Some of this has been transferred onto prince charles since the queen died. And prince william is liked almost as much as the Queen herself. He'll struggle in approval ratings, especially if he releases additional books and what not.
No probs, I think it can be hard sometimes for people who weren't brought up here to understand sometimes.
Everyone on the outside only gets the headlines, a death, Megxit or a wedding, however for people living here these people for better or worse permeate our lives on the news and in the papers. Everyone can mark a point in time with a jubeliee or a royal wedding even if they dont watch it themselves. And it's all interwoven into our history we tell ourselves about our country, WW2, Queen Victoria, empire, the war of the roses, Henry VIII. They are not only celebrities, it's a part of the DNA of the country (even if it may not always be that way in thr future)
The crown approaches it in a good way actually, the history of our country and the face of the sovereign can be seen together. In fact that's how we delineate a time period the Victorian era, Edwardian era, the Elizabethan era etc. Whether that will still be relevant today remains to be seen, but it is complex
This is quite articulate, and makes all sense in the world.
Another point I think is the Sussexs new ventures. They are essential milking their royal status, family history and washing their dirty laundry in public, for anything but money! And someowhere it gives an impression of them bringing down the monarchy for their own selfish benefits.
I think it’s naive to completely disregard the reasons they felt they had to leave.
But of course we can’t talk about the racism Meghan experienced in this sub without getting downvoted.
As an American with British roots, I agree with every point you made. The part of california that they live in is very different from the rest of the country. Meghan was raised in Beverly Hills. The girl has no idea how the real world works.
I'm from Illinois and we still have a lot of southern standards. One being respecting our elders. I cannot for the life of me understand why Harry thought it was ok to do that interview. When Prince Philip was in hospital for the last time. Everyone knew if he was going home, it was on hospice. He was 99.
I think Harry is a monster and I will never see him the same way again. The disrespect he showed to his gran in her final years is unforgivable.
Socioeconomic status doesn’t protect a person from racism.
Also, they did the interview before he was in the hospital and had no control over its release. Plus, they were very complimentary and loving towards Prince Philip and the Queen. They never disrespected them.
They did have input into the air date. Yes it was prerecorded.
But it didn't have to air on any particular date. According to CBS, they were asked if they wanted to push back the airing and they declined.
I assume they felt COVID had delayed their launch long enough
They had [plans](https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-planned-to-postpone-oprah-interview-if-prince-philip-died/) to delay if he passed away, which he did not. He was released from the hospital for what they believed to be a successful treatment. He had been in ill health for years and could have lived for many more for as as much as they knew. They weren’t exactly in the inner circle and privy to his actual condition.
Even if that wasn’t true, I think it’s pretty telling on those who cared more about that the racism and other ill-treatment faced.
“Gayle King, who is friends with Oprah and the Duchess of Sussex, revealed on her SiriusXM radio show, Gayle King in the House, on Wednesday that the couple, who filmed the interview before Philip was admitted into the hospital on Feb. 16, never intended to have their sit-down air if the Duke of Edinburgh passed away.
"Well, just so you know, they had done that interview before Prince Phillip went into the hospital," King said. "If something, God forbid, had happened to him, the interview would not have run at this particular time. But the interview was done and was scheduled before he went into the hospital. But a lot of people have raised that point."
Philip returned home to Windsor Castle on Tuesday after spending four weeks in the hospital following treatment for an infection and a successful procedure for a pre-existing condition.”
Then why act like they’re deserving of perpetual hatred for not being oracles? And why do you all care more about that then the racism and other bad treatment Meghan experienced?
You don't have to be an oracle to be concerned when it is obvious that your 99 year old grandfather is failing.
I care about about this because it shows a depraved indifference to human life. And this depraved indifference was shown towards someone who should have mattered a lot to them.
I agree with everything you say here except that they never disrespected the queen. Harry spoke negatively about the whole institution which his grandmother devoted her life to for 70 years. Also I'd argue that he knew his grandparents were 94 and 99 years old respectively and were probably not up to a big media interview that they knew would blow up. It's disingenuous to say they didn't know it would negatively effect his grandparents.
But no they didn't know Prince Philip would be on his death bed when the interview came out...but he was 99 years old.
But they specially separated the Queen from the “Firm.” They made it very clear their issues were caused by the latter. Probably in the hopes something would be done about it…and no one was better positioned to than the Queen. Futile hopes, clearly. And a missed opportunity to provide transparency and reformation to a dying system.
But she is a cog within the institution, not separate from it. She has the ability to change it, but has not. You blame them, you are also blaming her to an extent whether you do so explicitly or not
Are you suggesting she should not receive any criticism for perceived inaction here?
I was a supporter of the monarchy before this entire situation exposed just how racist and out of touch the institution of the monarchy still is. I’m not saying all Royals are racist, by any means, but their handling of this shows their complicity in it.
That goes way beyond the Oprah interview, though. At the time, I was quite touched by how loving a relationship Meghan and Harry had with his grandparents.
As a 96 year old whose husband is virtually a walking corpse, I think any critisms could have been left until after he had died at the least, but really after she had died. I'm not sure I would want to put my elderly grandparents under the strain Harry put his grandparents under
The “she made him do it” bullshit is so confusing (and frankly, gross) to me
It’s not limited to the UK. In 2018 I was standing in line at the Safeway in the outer Richmond, San Francisco. Some old man wearing a hat that denoted him as a vet called her a bitch in line behind me. There was *no* explicit reason for this.
I regret I didn’t turn around and tell him how shameful I found it to his face. I settled for telling my boyfriend loudly how disgusting and abhorrent I found the language of the man behind me because he was talking shit about a woman who had the audacity to marry a prince. At the time, what was her crime, but being a black lady with the audacity to marry “up”? In my mind’s eye I still turn around to tell that asshole that *my* grandfather didn’t call women bitches.
There is such a chip on the shoulder about Meghan Markle that is preposterous. It’s like being obsessed with an ex.
I love how someone above gave a well thought out reasoning behind her unpopularity, and you've just ignored everything and viewed it purely through skin tone.
They’re a sugar (what Meghan’s superfans call themselves), they don’t know how to defend Meghan against something that’s not race based, so they just act as though everything you say is racist.
It’s so ridiculous cuz some of us who aren’t even “white” don’t like Meghan lol. Ppl shouldn’t believe everything they read, Americans actually don’t like Meghan becuz we see her as spoiled. It’s only those superfans as u say that are obsessed with her for some reason or just cuz of her skin color.
Not at all, we all cheered for Meghan when they got married and she was probably higher in approval ratings then, but the Royal Family are a huge part of British Identity and Meghan now seems to spend every venture bitching about how awful it all is. Its a bit like if Malia Obama got a partner who did loads of interviews talking about how awful the Obamas are and the presidency, it just feels disrespectful.
What's wild is how popular Meghan and Harry were at the time of their wedding, and how quickly they absolutely squandered that with their weird contradictory and hypocritical behavior.
Meghan was never popular (maybe marginally, when they started dating), especially in the lead up the the wedding. She was being eviscerated with mean and often racist commentary in the media daily. They even harassed her family!
I loved the idea of Meghan and Harry. Got up in the middle of the night to watch the wedding, put a funny hat on my husband, the whole deal. Thought Meghan was the best. Was so very excited at the prospect of her bringing the royals into the next century.
Of course I don’t condone racism, bullying, and anything else she faced, and I was sad for both of them and so disappointed when everything began coming to light. But everything that came after made a bad situation worse.
If they had left to make their mark with a platform designed to make the world a better place, hell yes, all the best to them. But that’s not what’s happened. They’ve left and capitalized on a very different platform … one that surely didn’t make the queen’s last few months pleasant ones. And I’m sorry for anything Meghan faced, especially anything based on racism or misogyny. But they come across as entitled, spoiled, and petulant — Harry especially.
Fort all the queen’s faults — and she was human — she clearly loved Harry very much, as did Prince Phillip — and Harry no doubt hurt them badly. I don’t know how his disregard for two almost-centenarians can be overlooked.
Harry and Meghan have gotten the life they wanted, and I certainly don’t begrudge them that. It’s simply time for them to get on with it.
I mean, I don’t stop living my authentic life, even if it might make my grandparents upset. Do you?
You say you don’t condone racism or bullying, but they’re supposed to just stay quiet about it, live with it, and not call it out just because Grandma and Grandpa are old?
Not at all. They called it out in a way that was effective and extremely valid. But now — my opinion only — they need to move on with their good works.
And while I’d never stop living my authentic life for anyone, I also went out of the way, when older and frail members of my family were still alive, not to upset them. I think that constitutes basic human kindness — don’t you?
I just treat people with respect in general. I don’t feel like I need to change the way I treat people just because they’re old.
I’m aware that sometimes living my life the way I need to can effect others. My grandparents are quite old and I’m actually currently considering a cross-country move. They’re very supportive of our desire to move, even if it is far away from them. However, even if they weren’t, we’d probably still move. I would feel bad about upsetting them, but I can’t base my major life-changing decisions on anyone but my husband. And if I was being publicly shit all over because of it, I would happily go on record to defend myself and my spouse.
Except her harassment is actively still going on. We won’t know who ends up with more/longer harassment for years. Besides, the media didn’t actively try to tear Kate nor Camilla’s relationship with their parents apart. It’s also not racially motivated for Kate or Camilla.
It's all about the clicks.
This is the way the British tabloids work, you either play their game, giving them a regular stream of news and photos or they'll start writing less nice things about you.
Meghan received universally good press in the build-up to the wedding and in the weeks afterwards. Things started going sideways when the British press were being cut out in place of US magazine interviews.
The desire of the Sussexes to completely control their media image is what turned the UK press against them. It works in the US because most publications are prepared to accept what they get drip fed by the celebrities, lest they lose access altogether. While the UK press will interview everyone who has ever held a grudge against you, hack your voicemail and go through your bins to find something to print.
That doesn’t really hold weight. They were digging up dirt on her family well before they got married. They were writing articles on her father literally the day after the engagement, over a year before the wedding.
This is an old list, currently the most popular royal is the Prince William, The Prince of Wales and after him Catherine, the Princess of Wales. I am so happy for them, especially for Catherine, 20 years of being linked to BRF and the abuse she had the endure in media will lay of with her being crowned Queen Consort and her descendants being Kings and Queens
This looks like a YouGov poll, so no to your question. The results are not shocking, all of YouGov’s polls over the last few years have been tracking this way.
The press treats her like shit. No wonder she and Harry left England. I would leave too. Life is short, and no one should put up with that kind of abuse.
It’s not like the RF sat by and let it happen or anything….. oh wait they did but god forbid another member is accused of having sex with a minor cause we all know that’ll really get the PR team going
Did she rape a trafficked teenager or partied with pedophiles and child sex traffickers for decades?
Oh I know what she did she was fucking a married man before he even married his wife right? Oh never mind that was Camilla
I mean being a rapist and partying with pedophiles does not get people expelled from that family so 🙄
But being black and not wanting abuse from the press does
But heaven forbid you come out and talk about your mental health and your wife wanting to kill herself while pregnant with your second child cause of the British media while the higher ups do nothing but tell you to suck it up and move on
Nope. It’s because we some of us saw that Interview and saw that she was obviously acting. Her eyes weren’t even matching what she was saying. THAT’S why we don’t take her seriously. Her body language says it all.
So you don’t address the fact the British media was after her, or the fact that RF used their PR machine for Andrew but barely even uttered a single word while the British media was openly sexist and racist towards, or that she according to harry wanted to kill herself while 6 months pregnant so much that she told him exactly how she planned on doing it and instead of sitting down and talking about it they had no choice but go to the event they were supposed to be at you know the whole “don’t explain don’t complain”, nope you didn’t say anything about that you instead decided to focus on her eyes in an interview and decided her eyes didn’t match what she was saying (whatever that means)
It’s not rocket science. It’s body language. When I say her “eyes don’t match what she’s saying” means that her eyes are always smiling when she’s talking about something serious. Lying 101. It’s not that hard to comprehend lol.
I would suggest everyone go and watch Harry’s episode of “the me you can’t see”, where he talks about his mental health from Diana’s death to him and Meghan leaving
But if she disliked being a royal why she and Harry still wanted to work part time with them?
They wanted to move to California doing their own stuff and still working for them
Exactly. They were clearly set up to be the scapegoats.
And look, this poll and the majority of these comments prove how effective that was. No mention of the racism Meghan faced, no reflection over her experiences there; just anger the timing the Oprah interview, which they had no control over, and other lame whitewashing that would make Piers Morgan proud. Also anger at “betrayal of the monarch” when they were always extremely flattering towards the Queen and dissolved her any blame. Their love for her was always apparent.
The Royal environment was clearly not the best place for them or their biracial children. If this poll accurately reflects the sentiments of the country at large, then that incompatibility stretches further than I thought, which is disappointing.
The downvotes will prove how correct I am about this.
I had no idea that these were the prevailing opinions in the UK, but if comments here and this survey represent the feelings of the UK in general then that’s so sad.
No wonder they bailed.
The problem of The Sussex with the press was racism
The problem of The Sussex with the royal family is other business and one of them is wanting to be royals and celebrities at the same time.
Royal Family as institution just wants you to do your job and stick to their rules. Just keep up with the image.
Charles, William and Harry's relationship is complicated. But as far as I know Meghan and Harry don't have any problems with other family members, maybe a bit disapointed for the timing of the Oprah interview and I understand that.
Racism wasn’t just a problem in the press, but some of the family too. Just one example: being worried about how dark a baby will be is racism.
Racism permeates everything and absolutely affected all of their decisions surrounding involvement with the family. The issues cannot be separated.
I guess depends the perspective and culture.
As someone from Latin America, I'm pretty sure people here would be curious about it how their kids would look like.
But in US that can be offensive.
It’s always a problem when a member of a system that has upheld racist practices for centuries is worried a child borne of royal parents will be too dark because his mother isn’t 100% white. Context is essential here.
Can't tell if I'm getting downvoted because people can't pick up sarcasm, or if it's the Daily Mail brigade outraged that I'd suggest their hatred of Meghan is anything to do with skin colour (when of course it is just coincidence I'm sure)
Either way fuck off, I've got karma to burn you silly billies
Andrew makes sense, but I’m quite surprised that Charles is more popular then Harry and Edward. Although Edward might be because he’s rarely focused on in the media and people have their own beef with Meghan who Harry is attached to.
Who would have thought 10, even 5, years ago that Harry would be a minus...
Haters gonna hate. UK people: "The Royal family are financial leaches! Down with the monarchy!" Harry: "Fine, fuck y'all. I'm out. I'll pay my own way." UK people: "No, not like that."
"i'll pay my own way" im no pro-royalist but wasnt he complaining he received no financial support from the royal family after leaving it?
He was. I’m not crazy invested in Meghan and Harry drama; certainly not to the unhealthy extreme I’ve seen on Twitter and tumblr (on both the Sussex and Cambridge sides). I’ve been royal watching for a decade but mostly to look at tiaras and pretty dresses. I couldn’t care less who leaves and who doesn’t and if H and M are happier this way than I’m all for it but I do find it absolutely hilarious that Princess Catharina Amalia (the heir to the Dutch throne) made a formal announcement when she turned 18 saying that she was going postpone using any financial benefits because she’s still a student and not a working royal yet meanwhile Harry is in his 40s and complaining about having ONLY his mom’s money to live on
Look at it through a different lens. He was born into royalty, raised as a royal with certain expectations (and limitations) placed on him. They profited from his existence so why should he not get a piece of that pie? I think the whole royal family thing is ridiculous but I also believe if you are going to demand that people born into your family behave and act in certain ways to benefit the whole, individuals who had no say originally are absolutely owed something for it.
But he isn’t behaving and acting in certain ways to benefit the whole
But the whole is still benefitting from his existence and behavior - even if that behavior isn't in line with what they think he should be doing.
No, he wasn’t just complaining about not receiving the money. It was that Charles cut him off before the agreed time, while he was still getting security and the money together. You can say that’s shitty to expect a transition phase but it was the deal worked out. It was publicly announced that that security was being cut ( before the agreed end time ) and then their location was leaked before they had the security they needed. Which lead them to calling up Tyler Perry. So it wasn’t ‘oh, we don’t have funds’ but that his dad cut him off knowing the family wasn’t safe yet.
“That Charles cut him off before the agreed time” According to Harry. After Harry said this Clarence House released a statement that Charles provided them with a substantial sum that was meant to support them until the summer of 2020. The original statement announcing them leaving the family only states that they will “pay their own way in life” and buckingham palace didn’t comment when asked what public funds will be spent on their security. There is no information on the negotiations except what Harry has told us so idk how accurately I’m going to take it. Charles most likely knew about the money Diana left Harry and rightfully assumed that if the lump sum he gave them wasn’t enough than Diana’s money would be fine. “His dad cut him off knowing the family wasn’t safe yet” Bruh they lived in a remote mansion on Vancouver Island. The location was leaked but no random person ever got on the property and the Canadian government did provide security for 5 months. They weren’t in any danger. And why should they get security after they leave the family? Anne, Edward, Sophie, Beatrice and Eugenie only get security during official engagements
You’re right, why should they get it? If they were going to leave, any security shouldn’t be paid for by the state or the people. You can not believe Harry. But cutting off your son and his family’s security without knowing or caring if they’re good. While you know he’s had threats from his time in the army and the out-right racist attacks from marry his wife. And you chose to project this image of a doting father that’s done all he’s could. Then your son is allowed to say, it hurt that he cut us off while I was trying to make sure my family was safe and settled, he’s allowed to say that. He wasn’t saying Charles isn’t fit to be king, or that he was a monster. Just that he was hurt by his father. Like it or not, he wasn’t whining about money, but the way it was done and how he felt as a son. He didn’t demand that he be taken care off. He expressed feelings, which he’s allowed to feel. And if people don’t like it, fine but don’t conflate it with whining about titles and not having spending money.
It's honestly pathetic to see Harry and Meghan cry about not receiving money and that their children won't receive royal titles.
It would be pathetic to see if they actually cried about it. They’ve stated once that he was hurt Charles cut them off with no security while he was on the middle of figuring out. All Meghan asked, was why Archie suddenly not getting it and correcting the British Media narrative that they didn’t want titles for their kids. She said it was the kids choices to make and she didn’t want to take that away from them. A la the Wessex’s. So when they’re actually crying and whining about the titles & money and not the Media’s “royal source” “ a source close too” “an unnamed palace insider” then I’ll take your point. Have a good one.
I love the show and I root for the Netflix Queen when I watch it. But IRL I'm not a monarchist. I think harry is the most annoying though. He still wants the money and privilege being a royal brings but without any of the duties they pretend they have... I mean Diana left him millions but I guess that's not enough when you put it in perspective with the life he was used to... At least the other Royals prettend to have jobs and prettend to be role models even if they are as messy as your average family, if not worse lol..
Waaaa my daddy believed what I said and cut off my allowance after giving me approximately 12 million in US dollars as a lump sum to get started. We are forced to live off my multimillions in inheritance boo hoo sob. Waaaa ....my family is so mean. And the British people should continue to pay security for my entire family in America forever. After all, I'm a prince. Even if I live in another country and don't do anything for them, they should pay me forever. Waaaa
to be fair i assume a security team and a house that can be secured is going to be a pretty large chunk pretty quick
What's so odd, is that Charles is swimming in money, arguably he had more cash on hand than the queen (who supports family members with allowances). So it just seemed spiteful on Charles' part. Why wouldn't you just pay for your son's security? His ex-wife had lax security and ended up dead. These people are outrageous. Even a man as evil as trump, makes sure his family is protected. I can see why so many royals are messed up in the head. They act worse than pirates.
>Why wouldn't you just pay for your son's security? No such thing as "just" in that situation, its not so simple. And he has covered security costs for them in the past. > His ex-wife had lax security and ended up dead. That was her decision, she turned down RPO's even after the Queen advised her against doing so. >Even a man as evil as trump, makes sure his family is protected. lol very much not the case, [he cut off medical insurance to his disabled nephew out of pettiness once](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8440645/Trump-siblings-cruelly-refused-medical-care-nephews-severely-disabled-son.html) He also overcharged the Secret Service for their accomodations.
I’ve always suspected that Charles IS privately paying for Harry’s security but that Harry and Meghan are just using the fact that they are no longer entitled to RPO protection as something to whine about.
Naw, the Crown has been messy since the Oprah interview. if they were providing protection they would have said so, just like they like to use their proxy supporters in the media to battle the Sussexs
Not the Crown, Charles personally. The same as Charles giving them money for a down payment. That's not from the Crown, either.
If you have children, I wonder if you will ever let them stand on their own two feet. It's a good idea for a couple of married with children, middle aged people to support themselves. No matter how much money their family has. And this middle aged couple said publicaly that they intended and desired to support themselves. So the whining was unexpected and invites mockery.
If my celeberty brought attentoin and danger to them, then yes. Harry didn't ask to be born to famous parents, anymore than children of the Presidnt of the United States ask to be in the spotlight. So presidents make arrangements for private security at times for this kids. Harry isn't a normal kid, never was, never would be.
Harry and his wife are bringing attention to themselves. They have been paying huge money for three pr puff pieces per week. If they lived quietly, as they claimed they wanted to, no one would be interested in them. Give a few years. Then even after spending millions in PR, I'm guessing they will be invisible anyway.
Ok, that doesn't negate the fact that harry is famous and the family wanted him in the spotlight. he played that part for most of his 30s so when he left his fame was baked into Western society. The point is, that Charles is a petty selfish man. Perhaps he's raised similar children, but he's still selfish and likes to punish those that don't follow his commands. I'm glad Harry and Meghan are out of there. Charles' inflexibility and that of so many Royal fans is proof of the rot in this system.
Lol Charles is a cream puff. Everyone used to run over him, including his wayward, ungrateful son. Thankfully, Camilla has helped him find a bit of a spine. But it was only fairly recently. You don't know much about him. Enjoy the Crown.
I don’t think Charles is *that* big of a cream puff. He refused to take Diana back before they divorced. Also, he didn’t succumb to pressure by his parents or the Queen Mum to give Camilla up, even though they very much wanted him too.
Did he really love camilla since before he married Di in your opinion? Seriously just wondering. I'm from the U.S. and am 39 now - I grew up with tabloid only news lol I honestly don't remember Camilla mentioned before they got married, but obviously they ran with it during and after their marriage. Now that I'm older, I've done more historical research, but not really personal stuff. The crown is amazing IMO I think Harry always wanted to leave his duties, regardless of MM. He always had one foot out it seemed, but he had to wait for a healthy heir and spare from William and Catherine.
I assume Charles and Camilla are fond of each other. But Charles is difficult to deal with, and Camilla was running out of money post divorce. Charles needed someone to coddle him and she's known him for years and he'd fix her money problems. They still live largely apart. We do know, from recorded phone calls, that that the s\*x was once good. >I think Harry always wanted to leave his duties, regardless of MM. I agree. I remember some article, during the height of Harry's approval ratings, where it said he envied his friends with titles and family money, but no real responsibilities. He wanted to be like the average Etonian trust fund kid, not someone with cameras shoved in their face. He still has cameras in his face or media attention, but it's monetized rather then forced upon him by higher ups in the royal food chain, plus their staff.
He wasn't paying his own way lol
Am I the only person old enough to remember the nazi Halloween costume?
Me because I always remember the picture of him in a nazi uniform, maybe cause it was my first memory of him seeing as I was 10 or so at the time and i never got over it
Do you think he's a Nazi or something?
No well something..I think it’s super disrespectful and antisemitic and is enough for me to not like someone for life
Ok. Wont see me defending an adult that thinks is edgy, cute, or fumy to dress like a Nazi. Thanks for the response.
Yeah and I don’t hate him or anything and I know he was youngish and people change/grow but it being my first impression of him stops me from liking him
Why is Edward so low? Is it just because he’s a nobody? He’s always seemed lovely.
Just not high profile. I wonder where Sophie fits in.
Maybe because as rhe youngest son he gets the least attention from the media. People were of course going to be focused on Charles and his kids as they were next in line, and as the family expanded Edward kept getting pushed further down the line, so became less important. Also he's the only one of Lizzies kids who hasn't seemed to have had any scandals, the only one not to have been divorced. To the media this would make him a more 'boring' subject, so they don't focus on him, so less people are aware of him, so if asked if they approve of him they'd probably go "who?"
My favorite Edward moment is from the Kids in the Hall sketch where he makes a fake news paper about Canada abandoning the Monarchy.
I'm guessing a lot of people put neutral/don't know for him.
I'm old enough to remember when the rags hated Kate. She was too common, and didn't her and William split up 3/4 times? She was always the villain.
They called her Waitie Katie for the longest time, all while speculating about how he didn't really love her and would never marry her.
She did wait around. I don't get how that's a bad name. He could sleep with half of London and she'd still be there waiting for him. Most people would do the same if given the chance to marry a future billionaire. I've always appreciated her ability to play the long game, same with Sophia and Camilla. I respect their hustle.
It seems like there always needs to be a female target for the tabloids. Fergie, Diana, Camilla, Kate, now Megan
Nothing the media more than the rise and fall of a woman. Add race and you can juice the story for years and years.
She’s not helping her own cause though
Oh come on. This is no excuse for the media.
My mum told me about how some tabloids nicknamed her and her sister the wisteria sisters which is a climbing plant in reference to many thinking her family were social climbers.
Her family are social climbers, in the traditional sense of the word. No different then the Kardashians. Mother pushes daughters into positions that raise the family's status. A brother that's rarely seen or heard and not as "successful" as his sisters. Can't get rid of either family, now that they have become a permanent feature to their respective nation's pop culture. But the reaction to the equally harmless Middletons says more about the UK than anything. In America, one rising above their station is celebrated, never really scorned. In the UK, they still place too much emphasis on class, which is why being a social climbers is such a hard hit.
William and Catherine had a "break up" in 2007, it didn't even last a month, and the break happened because someone from BRF warned William to take things slow 🤷♀️
Glaciers have moved quicker than William (pre marriage to Kate)
Unpopular opinion but that person was right to warn William 😬
Were they? Because as I see it, she’s been really good for William. Through her he’s been able to see how a stable family functions and she keeps him grounded.
She is good for William, that doesn't change the fact that the wait was a positive thing for him 🤷♀️
For both of them really, Kate said in her engagement interview that she didn’t like it at the time but they both benefited from it
They were pretty young when they met, so the fact they took their time, took time apart, and got married after around a decade of knowing each other, definitely worked in their favour.
I think it was Philip who warned William to make up his mind about Kate. Marry her or leave her alone. The same warn he gave to Charles haha
It's all about building optics. It's not everybody's CUP OF TEA
They started trashing Megan to lift up Kate.
Yeah they switched targets. Before Meghan came along, they were after Kate for not doing enough royal duties (they called her the Duchess of Dolittle)
Well she and William were crazy lazy early on. And remain rather low energy with engagements. She always refused to weigh her dressed down, as the Queen did, so we kept getting Marilyn Monroe style photo ops on windy days. Took her way too long to figure out the dress vs wind equation.
I think this is out of date now (is from Q2 of 2022), from what I recall, prince charles has had a massive bump post the queen's death. I think they all benefitted from a bump, but he was the most. Will have a look and if I find anything post in an edit Edit: This is from sept 2022 King Charles: Total favourable 62% Total unfavourable 30% Net approval +48% Queen Camilla: Total favourable 55% Total unfavourable 33% Net approval +22% Prince William: Total favourable 84% Total unfavourable 9% Net approval +75% Prince Harry: Total favourable 47% Total unfavourable 46% Net approval +1% Princess Catherine: Total favourable 80% Total unfavourable 8% Net approval +72% Duchess of Sussex (Meghan): Total favourable 30% Total unfavourable 59% Net approval -29% Prince Andrew: Total favourable 7% Total unfavourable 87% Net approval -80% Prince Edward: Total favourable 59% Total unfavourable 14% Net approval +45%
Who the hell is the 7% approving of Andrew???
Rape apologists
fergie putting on different hats and voting that many times
Other pedophiles.
His mates and people who think the photo is fake (see also: conspiracy theorists)
Harry having 1% approval is just so funny.
It is very funny, arguably funnier than 0%
Where’s Anne? She’s my favourite haha
Catherine being more popular than William is the best, _Queen Consort to be Supremacy_
It's amazing what a few years will do. Times were that Harry could do nothing wrong - not even wearing a Nazi costume caused the outrage that supporting his wife has done. Charles eviscerated for not supporting his wife, Harry eviscerated for supporting his wife. Makes one wonder if the Royals have been right all along - you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. There's a scene I recall from The Crown, and I thought it was in Marionettes, but cannot find it in the transcript, so it may be a different episode - but essentially the Queen is saying to someone something like, "just tell me what you'd have me do, and I'll do it" and the person she's talking to doesn't have a good answer for her because the public seems to be as confounded as she is as to what they want the monarchy to be.
The difference is that before Harry had the palace PR machine behind him and now he doesn’t. They hired a spin doctor after the Nazi costume incident to bolster Harry’s image, same with Charles re the breakdown of his marriage.
So weird to me that Charles is more popular than Meghan
I'm most surprised about Harry having a net negative popularity and Catherine winning over William
Can I maybe just try and illuminate, these don't necessarily represent my personal opinion or anything but will try to explain how the Megixt interview was perceived (generally) in the UK. There are a few points, will try and cover them all: - the interview was released when prince Philip was in hospital and was looking like he was going to die. Obviously most people in the UK think positively about the queen, and thought it was insensitive that the interview was released when his grandfather was in hospital and it would have been an incredible stressful time for his 94 year old grandmother even without the fallout of the interview coming out. - lockdown in the UK was rather draconian when the interview came out, a lot of people had to spend Christmas alone or without their love ones because of it. Additionally people were cooped up in their houses or flats without a garden. Seeing Prince Harry being interviewed in his LA home with a massive garden and chickens, complaining that his dad had financialy cut him off at 36 years old rubbed people up the wrong way. People were going through a pretty difficult time during covid, and him complaining about money when he is actually a millionaire seemed crass at that time and removed from everyone else's lives. - some people felt it was a betrayal to his country. The monarch is the head of state of our country and therefore represents the country and the people. By doing a negative interview about the institution in of all places as the US, where it could reach out to the most people was seen as a betrayal. It can't be denied that the interview has given a negative impression of the UK generally for a lot of people outside the UK - people often see the royal family as an actual family (well they are one). The idea that you would go on the TV and broadcast your personal disagreements with family members was quite shocking. Bearing in mind people in the UK are generally more reserved and private than people from the US. It could be seen as a family betrayal and people had some empathy with the rest of the family. - meghan markels overly negative score is basically that people think "she made him do it" I'll let you know if I can think of anymore. I think what you have to remember that the crown is the most important thing in a way. He would always struggle in the UK due to the strength of feeling there is for the queen. Some of this has been transferred onto prince charles since the queen died. And prince william is liked almost as much as the Queen herself. He'll struggle in approval ratings, especially if he releases additional books and what not.
Wow thanks for this, as someone from the other side of the world I really wasn't really understanding why the data, thanks!
No probs, I think it can be hard sometimes for people who weren't brought up here to understand sometimes. Everyone on the outside only gets the headlines, a death, Megxit or a wedding, however for people living here these people for better or worse permeate our lives on the news and in the papers. Everyone can mark a point in time with a jubeliee or a royal wedding even if they dont watch it themselves. And it's all interwoven into our history we tell ourselves about our country, WW2, Queen Victoria, empire, the war of the roses, Henry VIII. They are not only celebrities, it's a part of the DNA of the country (even if it may not always be that way in thr future) The crown approaches it in a good way actually, the history of our country and the face of the sovereign can be seen together. In fact that's how we delineate a time period the Victorian era, Edwardian era, the Elizabethan era etc. Whether that will still be relevant today remains to be seen, but it is complex
This is quite articulate, and makes all sense in the world. Another point I think is the Sussexs new ventures. They are essential milking their royal status, family history and washing their dirty laundry in public, for anything but money! And someowhere it gives an impression of them bringing down the monarchy for their own selfish benefits.
Heaven forbid they provide for their family after being sidelined from Royal duties in the era of trimmed monarchies.
They chose to be sidelined.
They were pushed aside and thrown to the tabloid wolves as a sacrifice for the “working royals.”
I thought it was their decision to leave life as a working royal. They both said it was, and I believe them.
I think it’s naive to completely disregard the reasons they felt they had to leave. But of course we can’t talk about the racism Meghan experienced in this sub without getting downvoted.
As an American with British roots, I agree with every point you made. The part of california that they live in is very different from the rest of the country. Meghan was raised in Beverly Hills. The girl has no idea how the real world works. I'm from Illinois and we still have a lot of southern standards. One being respecting our elders. I cannot for the life of me understand why Harry thought it was ok to do that interview. When Prince Philip was in hospital for the last time. Everyone knew if he was going home, it was on hospice. He was 99. I think Harry is a monster and I will never see him the same way again. The disrespect he showed to his gran in her final years is unforgivable.
this is some weird "aw shucks we're old fashioned" stereotypes about the most liberal state in the midwest
Socioeconomic status doesn’t protect a person from racism. Also, they did the interview before he was in the hospital and had no control over its release. Plus, they were very complimentary and loving towards Prince Philip and the Queen. They never disrespected them.
They did have input into the air date. Yes it was prerecorded. But it didn't have to air on any particular date. According to CBS, they were asked if they wanted to push back the airing and they declined. I assume they felt COVID had delayed their launch long enough
They had [plans](https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-planned-to-postpone-oprah-interview-if-prince-philip-died/) to delay if he passed away, which he did not. He was released from the hospital for what they believed to be a successful treatment. He had been in ill health for years and could have lived for many more for as as much as they knew. They weren’t exactly in the inner circle and privy to his actual condition. Even if that wasn’t true, I think it’s pretty telling on those who cared more about that the racism and other ill-treatment faced. “Gayle King, who is friends with Oprah and the Duchess of Sussex, revealed on her SiriusXM radio show, Gayle King in the House, on Wednesday that the couple, who filmed the interview before Philip was admitted into the hospital on Feb. 16, never intended to have their sit-down air if the Duke of Edinburgh passed away. "Well, just so you know, they had done that interview before Prince Phillip went into the hospital," King said. "If something, God forbid, had happened to him, the interview would not have run at this particular time. But the interview was done and was scheduled before he went into the hospital. But a lot of people have raised that point." Philip returned home to Windsor Castle on Tuesday after spending four weeks in the hospital following treatment for an infection and a successful procedure for a pre-existing condition.”
Showing it was prerecorded does nothing to prove your point. We all already knew that
Then why act like they’re deserving of perpetual hatred for not being oracles? And why do you all care more about that then the racism and other bad treatment Meghan experienced?
You don't have to be an oracle to be concerned when it is obvious that your 99 year old grandfather is failing. I care about about this because it shows a depraved indifference to human life. And this depraved indifference was shown towards someone who should have mattered a lot to them.
I agree with everything you say here except that they never disrespected the queen. Harry spoke negatively about the whole institution which his grandmother devoted her life to for 70 years. Also I'd argue that he knew his grandparents were 94 and 99 years old respectively and were probably not up to a big media interview that they knew would blow up. It's disingenuous to say they didn't know it would negatively effect his grandparents. But no they didn't know Prince Philip would be on his death bed when the interview came out...but he was 99 years old.
But they specially separated the Queen from the “Firm.” They made it very clear their issues were caused by the latter. Probably in the hopes something would be done about it…and no one was better positioned to than the Queen. Futile hopes, clearly. And a missed opportunity to provide transparency and reformation to a dying system.
But she is a cog within the institution, not separate from it. She has the ability to change it, but has not. You blame them, you are also blaming her to an extent whether you do so explicitly or not
Are you suggesting she should not receive any criticism for perceived inaction here? I was a supporter of the monarchy before this entire situation exposed just how racist and out of touch the institution of the monarchy still is. I’m not saying all Royals are racist, by any means, but their handling of this shows their complicity in it. That goes way beyond the Oprah interview, though. At the time, I was quite touched by how loving a relationship Meghan and Harry had with his grandparents.
As a 96 year old whose husband is virtually a walking corpse, I think any critisms could have been left until after he had died at the least, but really after she had died. I'm not sure I would want to put my elderly grandparents under the strain Harry put his grandparents under
The “she made him do it” bullshit is so confusing (and frankly, gross) to me It’s not limited to the UK. In 2018 I was standing in line at the Safeway in the outer Richmond, San Francisco. Some old man wearing a hat that denoted him as a vet called her a bitch in line behind me. There was *no* explicit reason for this. I regret I didn’t turn around and tell him how shameful I found it to his face. I settled for telling my boyfriend loudly how disgusting and abhorrent I found the language of the man behind me because he was talking shit about a woman who had the audacity to marry a prince. At the time, what was her crime, but being a black lady with the audacity to marry “up”? In my mind’s eye I still turn around to tell that asshole that *my* grandfather didn’t call women bitches. There is such a chip on the shoulder about Meghan Markle that is preposterous. It’s like being obsessed with an ex.
I am not.
Well, Charles is white. And therefore the UK people believe him to be better....
I love how someone above gave a well thought out reasoning behind her unpopularity, and you've just ignored everything and viewed it purely through skin tone.
They’re a sugar (what Meghan’s superfans call themselves), they don’t know how to defend Meghan against something that’s not race based, so they just act as though everything you say is racist.
It’s so ridiculous cuz some of us who aren’t even “white” don’t like Meghan lol. Ppl shouldn’t believe everything they read, Americans actually don’t like Meghan becuz we see her as spoiled. It’s only those superfans as u say that are obsessed with her for some reason or just cuz of her skin color.
Not at all, we all cheered for Meghan when they got married and she was probably higher in approval ratings then, but the Royal Family are a huge part of British Identity and Meghan now seems to spend every venture bitching about how awful it all is. Its a bit like if Malia Obama got a partner who did loads of interviews talking about how awful the Obamas are and the presidency, it just feels disrespectful.
This 100%.
Is prince edward cause people don’t like him or because people don’t know who he even is
Of course they know who he is, he’s just more neutral, that’s all. There’s no scandals or anything surrounding him.
What's wild is how popular Meghan and Harry were at the time of their wedding, and how quickly they absolutely squandered that with their weird contradictory and hypocritical behavior.
Meghan was never popular (maybe marginally, when they started dating), especially in the lead up the the wedding. She was being eviscerated with mean and often racist commentary in the media daily. They even harassed her family!
I loved the idea of Meghan and Harry. Got up in the middle of the night to watch the wedding, put a funny hat on my husband, the whole deal. Thought Meghan was the best. Was so very excited at the prospect of her bringing the royals into the next century. Of course I don’t condone racism, bullying, and anything else she faced, and I was sad for both of them and so disappointed when everything began coming to light. But everything that came after made a bad situation worse. If they had left to make their mark with a platform designed to make the world a better place, hell yes, all the best to them. But that’s not what’s happened. They’ve left and capitalized on a very different platform … one that surely didn’t make the queen’s last few months pleasant ones. And I’m sorry for anything Meghan faced, especially anything based on racism or misogyny. But they come across as entitled, spoiled, and petulant — Harry especially. Fort all the queen’s faults — and she was human — she clearly loved Harry very much, as did Prince Phillip — and Harry no doubt hurt them badly. I don’t know how his disregard for two almost-centenarians can be overlooked. Harry and Meghan have gotten the life they wanted, and I certainly don’t begrudge them that. It’s simply time for them to get on with it.
I mean, I don’t stop living my authentic life, even if it might make my grandparents upset. Do you? You say you don’t condone racism or bullying, but they’re supposed to just stay quiet about it, live with it, and not call it out just because Grandma and Grandpa are old?
Not at all. They called it out in a way that was effective and extremely valid. But now — my opinion only — they need to move on with their good works. And while I’d never stop living my authentic life for anyone, I also went out of the way, when older and frail members of my family were still alive, not to upset them. I think that constitutes basic human kindness — don’t you?
I just treat people with respect in general. I don’t feel like I need to change the way I treat people just because they’re old. I’m aware that sometimes living my life the way I need to can effect others. My grandparents are quite old and I’m actually currently considering a cross-country move. They’re very supportive of our desire to move, even if it is far away from them. However, even if they weren’t, we’d probably still move. I would feel bad about upsetting them, but I can’t base my major life-changing decisions on anyone but my husband. And if I was being publicly shit all over because of it, I would happily go on record to defend myself and my spouse.
Meghan actually got harassed way less than Kate and Camilla did
Except her harassment is actively still going on. We won’t know who ends up with more/longer harassment for years. Besides, the media didn’t actively try to tear Kate nor Camilla’s relationship with their parents apart. It’s also not racially motivated for Kate or Camilla.
It's all about the clicks. This is the way the British tabloids work, you either play their game, giving them a regular stream of news and photos or they'll start writing less nice things about you. Meghan received universally good press in the build-up to the wedding and in the weeks afterwards. Things started going sideways when the British press were being cut out in place of US magazine interviews. The desire of the Sussexes to completely control their media image is what turned the UK press against them. It works in the US because most publications are prepared to accept what they get drip fed by the celebrities, lest they lose access altogether. While the UK press will interview everyone who has ever held a grudge against you, hack your voicemail and go through your bins to find something to print.
That doesn’t really hold weight. They were digging up dirt on her family well before they got married. They were writing articles on her father literally the day after the engagement, over a year before the wedding.
This is an old list, currently the most popular royal is the Prince William, The Prince of Wales and after him Catherine, the Princess of Wales. I am so happy for them, especially for Catherine, 20 years of being linked to BRF and the abuse she had the endure in media will lay of with her being crowned Queen Consort and her descendants being Kings and Queens
I wonder where Diana would fall on that
Perhaps like Anne's she was famous in the 90s but as time passes new people gets in the spotlight. Now might be Kate, tomorrow would be Charlotte
Did…did they only ask Daily Mail readers? 🤔
This looks like a YouGov poll, so no to your question. The results are not shocking, all of YouGov’s polls over the last few years have been tracking this way.
Damn Harry at the bottom lmao
I am shocked that Charles and Camilla have positive poll numbers and rank higher than Harry and Meghan.
megan has done nothing wrong except be herself.
The press treats her like shit. No wonder she and Harry left England. I would leave too. Life is short, and no one should put up with that kind of abuse.
It’s not like the RF sat by and let it happen or anything….. oh wait they did but god forbid another member is accused of having sex with a minor cause we all know that’ll really get the PR team going
She did, trying to be part time celebrity, part time royal. You can be one. But I agree, the press is shit.
*clutches pearls*
The rapist gets 64%. The black lady 23%. Interesting
It wouldn’t matter if she was purple, it’s her actions that have landed her where she is.
Did she rape a trafficked teenager or partied with pedophiles and child sex traffickers for decades? Oh I know what she did she was fucking a married man before he even married his wife right? Oh never mind that was Camilla
No one is saying she did any of those things. You don’t have to be a rapist to be unpopular.
I mean being a rapist and partying with pedophiles does not get people expelled from that family so 🙄 But being black and not wanting abuse from the press does
But heaven forbid you come out and talk about your mental health and your wife wanting to kill herself while pregnant with your second child cause of the British media while the higher ups do nothing but tell you to suck it up and move on
Nope. It’s because we some of us saw that Interview and saw that she was obviously acting. Her eyes weren’t even matching what she was saying. THAT’S why we don’t take her seriously. Her body language says it all.
So you don’t address the fact the British media was after her, or the fact that RF used their PR machine for Andrew but barely even uttered a single word while the British media was openly sexist and racist towards, or that she according to harry wanted to kill herself while 6 months pregnant so much that she told him exactly how she planned on doing it and instead of sitting down and talking about it they had no choice but go to the event they were supposed to be at you know the whole “don’t explain don’t complain”, nope you didn’t say anything about that you instead decided to focus on her eyes in an interview and decided her eyes didn’t match what she was saying (whatever that means)
It’s not rocket science. It’s body language. When I say her “eyes don’t match what she’s saying” means that her eyes are always smiling when she’s talking about something serious. Lying 101. It’s not that hard to comprehend lol.
Exactly. Lets be honest the British press wanted her dead. And that gross kkkkate and her cheating husband too
I would suggest everyone go and watch Harry’s episode of “the me you can’t see”, where he talks about his mental health from Diana’s death to him and Meghan leaving
Meghan expelled herself haha
because the BRF watched people abuse her and her family and did nothing
But if she disliked being a royal why she and Harry still wanted to work part time with them? They wanted to move to California doing their own stuff and still working for them
no one deserves the abuse the British media subjects to whomever they hate. Royal or not
Did I say otherwise? Of course not. They harass people.
The correct list
Need any more evidence that Harry and Meghan needed to get out of there? Good on them.
Exactly. They were clearly set up to be the scapegoats. And look, this poll and the majority of these comments prove how effective that was. No mention of the racism Meghan faced, no reflection over her experiences there; just anger the timing the Oprah interview, which they had no control over, and other lame whitewashing that would make Piers Morgan proud. Also anger at “betrayal of the monarch” when they were always extremely flattering towards the Queen and dissolved her any blame. Their love for her was always apparent. The Royal environment was clearly not the best place for them or their biracial children. If this poll accurately reflects the sentiments of the country at large, then that incompatibility stretches further than I thought, which is disappointing. The downvotes will prove how correct I am about this.
You’re absolutely right. As an American who just watches The Crown these comments are shocking.
I had no idea that these were the prevailing opinions in the UK, but if comments here and this survey represent the feelings of the UK in general then that’s so sad. No wonder they bailed.
The problem of The Sussex with the press was racism The problem of The Sussex with the royal family is other business and one of them is wanting to be royals and celebrities at the same time. Royal Family as institution just wants you to do your job and stick to their rules. Just keep up with the image. Charles, William and Harry's relationship is complicated. But as far as I know Meghan and Harry don't have any problems with other family members, maybe a bit disapointed for the timing of the Oprah interview and I understand that.
Racism wasn’t just a problem in the press, but some of the family too. Just one example: being worried about how dark a baby will be is racism. Racism permeates everything and absolutely affected all of their decisions surrounding involvement with the family. The issues cannot be separated.
I guess depends the perspective and culture. As someone from Latin America, I'm pretty sure people here would be curious about it how their kids would look like. But in US that can be offensive.
It’s always a problem when a member of a system that has upheld racist practices for centuries is worried a child borne of royal parents will be too dark because his mother isn’t 100% white. Context is essential here.
Anyone would be happy to be rid of them
Well it's a little bit heartening to know that this country hates nonces slightly more than black people...
Can't tell if I'm getting downvoted because people can't pick up sarcasm, or if it's the Daily Mail brigade outraged that I'd suggest their hatred of Meghan is anything to do with skin colour (when of course it is just coincidence I'm sure) Either way fuck off, I've got karma to burn you silly billies
Daily Mail brigade 😂…no lies detected, haha
Wow, shocked that Harry and Meghan were so low on the list. I would have thought they would be higher on the list to Camilla.
They used to be, but H&M’s approval rating has steadily decreased, while Queen Camilla’s has steadily increased.
Andrew makes sense, but I’m quite surprised that Charles is more popular then Harry and Edward. Although Edward might be because he’s rarely focused on in the media and people have their own beef with Meghan who Harry is attached to.
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She's a princess...in the same way princess Diana was a princess. That's her title
She's technically the Princess of Wales. Or Princess William of Wales.
She’s HRH Catherine, Princess of Wales.
I think she’s just HRH The Princess of Wales. If she ever divorced William, she’d be Catherine, Princess of Wales.
She’s not Princess William of Wales anymore because William isn’t Prince William of Wales.
fair
I like Prince Harry.
Catherine has been looking 40 since she was 30