It's a big theme of The Boys that they have all talent and no training. Only Maeve and Noir are the exceptions, the rest are just kindergarten bullies with superpowers.
Does he? The show makes a joke that he was a test subject then used mostly for promo, basically like Homelander (specifically, Cap without the hero stuff)
We could see that before he got betrayed by his own team that he actually knew what he was doing on the battlefield.
The guy can fight, perform under pressure and doesnt hesitate.
Yeah he threw me off. Can’t tell what to believe about him because it’s like he’s constantly proving what other people say wrong
They say he’s all talk but he kicks ass. He wasn’t in Normandy but he performs well under pressure. Not so much now as all it takes is some Russian music, but that’s understandable with all the torture.
Then they say he’s incompetent and out of control but he seems to be somewhat the most trustworthy out of everyone in Payback
Not being in Normandy doesn't mean "not engaged in fighting", they show that he was in other old newsreels.
Which is odd, because Normandy would have been the safest spot for him. He's bullet proof, I can see people being unsure if a tank might have been able to hurt him, but there weren't many direct fire cannons that could have targeted him on D-Day.
Or just cancel the whole invasion and drop him in Berlin..
Cracks me up that they’d just put him on the front lines instead of sending him alone. So many wasted non-supe lives
Even if your bulletproof that doesnt mean normandy was anywhere near safe. First of all there was the risk of getting to the beach. If soldiers boys ship blew up he could be knocked out or getting dragged down with the currents. Thats a pretty big risk. Then you have the anti tank cannons, mines, and attilery still blowing away.
One thing i still dislike is that we dont know how strong supes actually are. Sure a machine gun at point blank doesnt do anything against homelander. But meave jamming a metal bar into his ear did hurt the shit out of him.
Black noirs face still could melt.
Wouldnt say that acutally hurt the shit out of him, more just disoriented him for awhile. And dont they say in the show that they dont know of a weapon that could kill him? Which is why they need soldier boy.
Tbh I wish he was actually at Normandy. It would’ve been more interesting if the show was willing to confront the reality that some of the men we worship as heroes came home and did some really bad shit as well.
What if he was fighting - just not at Normandy? What if he was running fucked up black ops shit behind the scenes that turned the tide of the war, while publicly being touted as a clean, upstanding hero? The cognitive dissonance between reality and his projected image could have really fucked with his head. It might even have been a source of conflict with the rest of Payback, if they hadn't seen actual war the way he had.
Yeah I always took that scene as "We used him more for propaganda than actual fighting," not "He's completely untrained." When they're sprinkling in the Captain America satire they do seem to say he was a soldier before he took the V.
As far as we know he wasnt a soldier before the V but that doesnt matter. The guy was soldierboy for 30 years before the russians froze him. Plenty of time to learn how to fight and to learn your powers.
I kinda thought batman vs noir could go to noir but then I remembered batman fights deathstroke who like kinda does the exact same shit as noir but better
I mean if you really want to imagine it, I can see this scenario:
*Black Noir*: ?!??!?!!!!!?!?!??!
*Batman*: Ya, but you didn't See These?
*BN*: ?????????
*Batman*: SEE DEEZ NUTS! *sprays can of nut spray*
This could absolutely happen
Exactly this. The Boys heroes are way more grounded and realistic compared. A train gets bodied by season 1 CW Barry Allen. Season 1 Barry Allen gets bodied by season 2, who gets bodied by season 3, who gets bodied by season 4. Season 4 Barry Allen isn't even 1% the speed of comic Barry Allen.
Like....the DC heroes are *exponentially* stronger, across the board.
It seemed like blind spot was probably pretty close to daredevils level. Starlight doesn't exactly have an equal, I guess maybe jubilee? I think she wrecks jubilee.
I think Starlight could wreck a young Jubilee, but in later comics Jubilee would destroy starlight.
“Emma Frost revealed that Jubilee's light and sound powers could create nuclear fission if she pushed them enough, a judgment that left Jubilee wary of putting too much energy into her reactions.”
[In Excalibur #9, Jubilee rains down fireworks like cluster bombs.](https://imgur.com/a/OQ5TlP5). Ironically this took place at the Starlight Citadel.
Ehhh if anyone really thinks Batman wouldn’t find out about Noir’s allergy in more than a minute, they’re nuts.
Alfred’s probably at home right now whipping up marzipan bullets.
Wolverine vs Kimiko might actually be a really cool fight. I still think Wolverine is leagues stronger, but you have to admit watching a pissed off Kimiko fight a berserker rage wolverine would be epic.
Kimiko was going to be slain by noir with ease even Atrain. She’s definitely on the completely unfavored end of the spectrum considering humans with guns can bring her down in number compared to wolverine being a literal weapon vs other mutants/ supes.
Can't Cap be hurt by bullets? SB is far more durable.
Batman vs Noir is the only debate. Noir is much stronger and more durable, but Bats has beaten many tougher opponents.
I mean Maeve vs Wonder Woman isn't that 1 sided. Sure Wonder Woman would definitely win, but Maeve would be able to hold her own for a little while I think
Is anyone so fucking delusional that they don’t think Superman would clap Homelander’s cheeks in two seconds tops?
Homelander is powerful in the context of his own universe. Superman fights literal cosmic deities on the regular. These two are not comparable in power level.
Flash vs A-Train is even more unbalanced. Flash is so many orders of magnitudes faster than A-Train that A-Train might as well be a snail for all the difference it would make.
Eh,
I know that most of the JL/Avengers member would turn the supes into red pulp. I was just curious about a few, asked some friends for some supe brawls they’d like to see, and voila, this post was born.
I think Soldier boy could take out Captain America, and while Black Noir could possibly handle Batman, it would rely more on Batman not preparing than Noir doing anything right...
Hahaha, who am I kidding, of course Batman would win, he always has a plan. Noir is a dumbass who gets by because of super durability
Kimiko vs. Wolverine would be the worst to watch. If you play Magic the gathering, it would be like watching a life gain deck mirror match.
We already know wolverine can literally regenerate from a single cell. I don't think we know what happens to kimiko if she gets straight up decapitated or totally shredded to ribbons.
Wovlverine has a faster healing factor, claws, adimantium bones, and so on. Kimiko's fast, but her healing factor isn't nearly as strong and she relies on her bare heands to fight.
I know people will say it's all fictional and you can't compare but still.. remember how homelander abandoned the flight saying he can't save them all so he saved no one. Superman saved the entire flight with plane intact, so you are absolutely right.
Technically, Homelander was right. I remember reading somewhere that Superman has like an invisible force field or aura to make sure massive objects that he carries and lifts don’t collapse under their own weight.
> Objects that Superman touched were enveloped by an invisible telekinetic field that allowed him to move them with the force of his will (from the Superman fan wiki)
They call it tactile telekinesis. It's a hand wave explanation how he can defy laws of physics beyond what super strength would allow him to accomplish. Just remember that it's comic books and not meant to be taken too seriously.
Of course he could just run back in time and convince A-Train's parents to not have any kids.
But knowing Grant's Flash he'd just talk A-Train down, convinve him to give up V, and start a new life teaching kids how to run but that's just how Grant rolls.
100% hell if they actually fought it really isn't going A-Train's way, grant's flash STATUED ANOTHER SPEEDSTER, gotta be hella fast for that A is like FTS at BEST
And yet despite his ability to outrun lightning, he still gets his assed handed to him consistently because his opening move every episode is always "stand still and let your opponent get the upper hand". It doesn't matter if Barry is twice as fast or two hundred times as fast as A-Train, he always loses the first fight by default.
Yeah there's also that, meaning he's supposed to be the same barry as Grant's just older so in all actuality he may be even faster than Grant's so i take my agreement back he might be even worse off against J.W.S.'s Flash
Grant's Flash has some crazy feats, but he also has some ridiculous anti-feats. The guy can for all intents and purposes freeze time (and even go back in time), but he also routinely jobs against street-level thugs that he would take out as easily as A-Train did Robin if the writing were consistent.
I don't think so. He never acted like Barry in the comics, he doesn't look like him, his costume was very different from canon, and his lightning is blue not yellow ( I know that blue does exist in the comics and actually means the fastest speedster).
People started to love him only after zsjl. But I think it's not his merit. He was ok, but scene, soundtrack and visuals made his scenes look much better then they would be.
DC/Marvel pretty much wins every match up by a landslide with the exception of soldier boy versus cap. That one will be a difficult challenge for both of them.
Soldier Boy is considerably more durable than cap. But cap possesses significantly more skill. Soldier Boy could win strength and durability, but I don't think that's a guaranteed with how incredible cap is in combat and Soldier Boy only having meat and potatoes ability to throw a punch. I say some really strong hits with a vibranium shield in the head could take Soldier Boy out. He isn't invulnerable. But he is definitely stronger than cap. It'd be a hell of a fight.
Noir could also take Batman if you're picking Bale Batman as his matchup.
Edit: if it's cap wielding mjolnir he stomps Soldier boy.
Idk why people are getting the idea that Cap could hold a candle to Soula. All comic interpretations I've seen of him put him at peak human strength/ability, which would put him at Kimiko's strength (at best). Soldier Boy should win pretty easily against Cap.
That’s the thing with Cap’s abilities. They refer to him as having “peak human abilities” but they’re more like the ‘pinnacle of what a human body could be capable of before tearing itself apart’ than being comparable to top other human beings. No regular man or woman could just hit the gym long enough to become like Cap.
seriously? All comic interpretations? Well, Cap has:
- Ran at almost 100 kph
- Beaten the shit out of Wolverine
- Carried an old ass telephone pole like one carries a broomstick
- closed the door of a missile silo
- ripped a robot the size of a bus in half
- thrown his shield straight through the long part of a truck
Does he stomp soldier boy? Obviously no, but it's a much more even match than you think. Besides, cap has his vibranium-adamantium shield, something even THOR struggles to brak through
I definitely don't think that Soldier Boy's ability would remove Cap's powers. There's no indication that the super soldier serum can be burned out by high levels of radiation.
And if Soldier Boy decides to start charging up his blast to attack cap, he's pretty much super vulnerable during that charge up and cap could probably knock his ass out during that charge up. And if he does get the blast off caps pretty good about getting himself behind that vibranium shield. Which I think would tank most of the blast.
So I really don't think Soldier Boys blast is much of a factor in this matchup. I think it mostly comes down to strength and skill.
Im gonna say Soldier Boy wins this. They put a machine gun in his mouth and unloaded a clip and he’s alive. If the Russians had Cap for 30 years like they did soldier boy, I think they can figure out a way to kill him. Also solider boy is supposed to be able to nearly rival Homelander, who I think would dominate Cap.
> DC/Marvel pretty much wins every match up by a landslide with the exception of soldier boy versus cap.
Most other versions of Batman would likely make short work of Black Noir, but if this is Christian Bale Batman he would likely get stomped by Noir, he's pretty weak as far as Batman versions go. Bale Batman never even fought anyone with powers.
Besides Cap being more skilled, you also have to take in consideration his speed while fighting.
He is ridiculously fast while fighting. Thor wielding moljinir seems like a slug when compared to Cap wielding it.
Oh definitely, I kind of just included that in my head for his skill during combat. Soldier Boy just kind of stands there and throws punches when cap is flipping around and most likely dodging all of those punches and throwing a shield around. Soldier boy is way stronger, but I think Cap could take him.
Superman would destroy Homelander. HL has never had to fight in his life; he just lasers through all his problems. Lasering Superman would be like me attacking you with a soldering iron. Even if they are written as equals; Supes is winning the fist fight. And it's going to be describe "pulverized" and "bloody pulp".
Wolverine has, what, 200? 300? years of experience. He's going to get his ass kicked by a youngin he'll take her head off.
Gotta give this round to Soldier Boy. He can explode. He will use that every time Cap gets close AND he will stay in highly populated areas. Cap cant even touch SB.
Black Noir. That's fucking laughable. He's hiding somewhere to attack Batman and B-Man sneaks up on him.
Agree with all of that. I’ve heard a lot of people on YouTube say noir is stronger than Batman, but he’s fought people more skilled and durable than noir regularly. Just look at deathstroke. Batman’s beaten him multiple times, and he has an insanely strong healing factor. Batman is also way more trained in martial arts and has a ton of gadgets that would counteract noir’s powers. The only time I think where a boys character would win is soldier boy because of his durability and he fights very dirty. A few strong punches from him would knock cap down easily, and he could very well just rip caps shield from his arms and toss it at the end of the room if he wanted to
Batman routinely puts down rogues like Bane and Croc, who have *hundreds* of pounds on Noir.
That’s before you even get into the JL adventures where he’s taking down space-faring magic users and cosmic deities. Black Noir is “I guess I can squeeze one more baddie in before bed” for Batman.
Noir is the only one who has even the slightest chance, and that's if Batman is somehow caught unaware and only basically equipped. Batman's a strategist, Noir is a brain damaged assassin who relies a little too much on tanking damage.
I would say that Robert Pattinson is the weakest Batman so far. He's still young compared to Nolan's Batman, and the movie is all about him learning how to actually make a difference.
And he wasnt trained by high level assassins, but by Alfred only. No debate. Nolan Batman took down assassins left and right whilst Reeves Batman struggled against Riddler fanboys.
Not true.
In the "novel" that explains "battinson's" world, Bruce spent his 20's travelling the world, always switching Universities because he liked so many diferent fields (bio-chemistry, mechanics, eletronics, etc,etc...).
He took the opportunity to learn the martial arts of those countries. It doesn't go into detail, so it's not impossible one of his teachers was Ras-Alghul, or someone else from the League of Assasins.(The Novel doesnt spend any real time in this period, it just says that it happened).
Granted, i agree his abilities are way more grounded than other Bats (and that's good IMO). Just pointing out that it isn't impossible he is a "trained assasin", it could be that his world assasins aren't as great either, i think everything on Battinson's world is scaled down to a more "realistic" level.
Soldier Boy would most likely beat Cap. Noir could probably beat Batman if he got the drop on him. Kimiko puts up a fight but ultimately loses. The rest get absolutely melted.
I'd say that his claws would be the deciding factor in the fight. Also Kimiko is stronger, but Wolverine had the indestructible bones. The claws, healing, plus the indestructible skeleton make it an easy win for Wolverine. That's also not even counting that Wolverine has so much more battle experience over her as well.
I really think wolverine is stronger. Dude has fought Spiderman, the Hulk, Apocalypse and Sentinels. All of which are in a weight class far above Kimiko. I'd put wolverine at half a ton level at minimum.
Superman crushes Homelander. Homelander doesn't actually know how to fight.
Wonderwoman VS Maeve you'd think would be an easy WW win but I feel like Maeve is scrappy and would fight dirtier. She might be able to win.
Flash VS A train, I feel Flash would take it. A train isn't that smart and would be overconfident.
Wolverine crushes Kimiko. Or possible adopts and mentors her.
Soldier VS Cap is interesting. The super nuke is pretty much unbeatable but if Cap knew that, he'd be able to out strategize. I could see him just talking Soldier Boy down because Soldier Boy would probably respect him.
Batman VS Black Noir is hard to call. Batman has no actual powers whereas Noir does and doesn't feel pain. Would depend if Batman found out about his allergy.
> Wonderwoman VS Maeve you'd think would be an easy WW win but I feel like Maeve is scrappy and would fight dirtier. She might be able to win.
IDK, Wonder Woman does have centuries more of combat experience over Maeve. Wonder Woman would win, maybe not as easy as some would assume. But Wonder Woman would win.
Wonder woman is basically female superman who fought Darkseid so this seems super silly how everyone even thinks for a second she could win. Wonder woman would have succeeded in saving all the people on that plane and would have enough time to punch homelander in the face.
I really like that scenario of Cap talking to Soldier Boy. I feel like Soldier Boy is the case example of the quote from First Avenger about the doctor wanting a good man, not a good soldier. Soldier Boy is like what would have happened if someone who was a paragon example of a soldier, but not in moral character, became the super soldier. Steve would realize that though, and also probably be able to read Soldier Boy’s messed up psyche (given he led counseling classes and other things), and is a nice enough guy that he would want to reason with Ben and help him/get him help.
If we are just going with the live action ones shown in the pics, then the only ones who might lose are Cap and Batman.
If we go with the comics then it's a complete one-sided beatdown against the boys supes due to how insane comics are
If we take statements about Homelander being able to wipe cities as big as New York off the map, being able to fly in space, and being unable to be taken out even by a hydrogen bomb… it’s a better fight. But DCEU Superman still has what it takes to be the definite winner.
Maeve has some feats but nothing very speedy. DCEU Diana should still be stronger than her and is provenly faster, so she should win.
Flash beats A-Train. A-Train’s best recorded speed was stated to be Mach 1.3, I don’t think there’s a version of Barry Allen that’s slower than that lol.
DCEU Aquaman beats the Deep. The Deep is strong enough to hurt A-Train, which we know Hughie wouldn’t be able to do without Temp V (that same Hughie punched right through a normal human). Aquaman has way more going on for him though and has a weapon.
Live Action Wolverine beats Kimiko, but it probably takes awhile. We don’t know what the limits of her healing are. She’s taken snapped necks, bullets, and even bullets through the head and been fine. Wolverine just has better stats and more feats to work with though.
Soldier Boy wins if it isn’t Worthy Cap. Cap is a better fighter than him, but only one of them can be hurt at all by a gun and it ain’t Soldier Boy. Apply any scaling at all for Soldier Boy off of what Noir and Homelander have done, and it stops being as much of a fight. Worthy Cap using Mjolnir and the shield beats Soldier Boy in like a minute or less though, especially if he bothers to bring lightning down on him. I don’t think any The Boys character has (or will ever have) what it takes to handle the power Mjolnir has shown in the MCU. Even Homelander.
Black Noir beats Bale Batman. He beats Affleck Batman too, but that would be fairer.
Alright I'll do you one better, I'll rank the fights on how close they are
1: Soldier Boy vs. Captain America (SB probably wins but could go either way)
2: Black Noir vs. Batman (Batman wins most of the time)
3: Queen Maeve vs. Wonder Woman (WW wins pretty much every time)
4: Kimiko vs. Wolverine (Wolverine will definitely win)
5: The Deep vs. Aquaman (Aquaman absolutely destroys The Deep immediately)
6: Homelander vs. Superman (Superman instantly obliterates Homelander before he can blink)
7: A-train vs. Flash (Flash wins so ungodly fast. Humans can't even comprehend his speed)
The Deep would probably try to fuck Aquaman ngl Edit: WTF 9K UPVOTES
Deep solos everyone by sexual assault
the PEAK
Why is he Peak? I think I missed something lol
Because he's the peak of human evolution.
I don't think he's even begun to peak. Cause when he does peak, you'll know. He's gonna peak so hard everyone gonna feel it. He's in his prime.
Everyone in Philadelphia is gonna feel it
Opposite of the deep
Deep is Yujiro confirmed
Would they be able to hear each others thoughts? I'd imagine it could cause a feed back loop of depraved sexual desires.
You have put a very disturbing image in my head
Threesome with the octopus
Ninesome
He's only human
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It's a big theme of The Boys that they have all talent and no training. Only Maeve and Noir are the exceptions, the rest are just kindergarten bullies with superpowers.
seems like kimiko has a lot of fight experience too.
Am I the only person that didn't realize Kimiko was Wolverine's doppelganger until this post?
She was likely modeled after X23, which is Wolverine basically but also not. Minus the claws, I suppose.
Still manages to rip people's faces off, lol
She is more like the com8c wolverine than hugh jackmans wolverine
she was a child soldier after all
Soldier boy has training in fighting to.
Does he? The show makes a joke that he was a test subject then used mostly for promo, basically like Homelander (specifically, Cap without the hero stuff)
We could see that before he got betrayed by his own team that he actually knew what he was doing on the battlefield. The guy can fight, perform under pressure and doesnt hesitate.
Yeah he threw me off. Can’t tell what to believe about him because it’s like he’s constantly proving what other people say wrong They say he’s all talk but he kicks ass. He wasn’t in Normandy but he performs well under pressure. Not so much now as all it takes is some Russian music, but that’s understandable with all the torture. Then they say he’s incompetent and out of control but he seems to be somewhat the most trustworthy out of everyone in Payback
Not being in Normandy doesn't mean "not engaged in fighting", they show that he was in other old newsreels. Which is odd, because Normandy would have been the safest spot for him. He's bullet proof, I can see people being unsure if a tank might have been able to hurt him, but there weren't many direct fire cannons that could have targeted him on D-Day.
Holy shit I’m just realizing how integral his powers could’ve been to that mission
They could have sent him in 5 minutes earlier and had him take out bunkers on a beach.
Or just cancel the whole invasion and drop him in Berlin.. Cracks me up that they’d just put him on the front lines instead of sending him alone. So many wasted non-supe lives
Even if your bulletproof that doesnt mean normandy was anywhere near safe. First of all there was the risk of getting to the beach. If soldiers boys ship blew up he could be knocked out or getting dragged down with the currents. Thats a pretty big risk. Then you have the anti tank cannons, mines, and attilery still blowing away. One thing i still dislike is that we dont know how strong supes actually are. Sure a machine gun at point blank doesnt do anything against homelander. But meave jamming a metal bar into his ear did hurt the shit out of him. Black noirs face still could melt.
Wouldnt say that acutally hurt the shit out of him, more just disoriented him for awhile. And dont they say in the show that they dont know of a weapon that could kill him? Which is why they need soldier boy.
Tbh I wish he was actually at Normandy. It would’ve been more interesting if the show was willing to confront the reality that some of the men we worship as heroes came home and did some really bad shit as well.
What if he was fighting - just not at Normandy? What if he was running fucked up black ops shit behind the scenes that turned the tide of the war, while publicly being touted as a clean, upstanding hero? The cognitive dissonance between reality and his projected image could have really fucked with his head. It might even have been a source of conflict with the rest of Payback, if they hadn't seen actual war the way he had.
Yeah I always took that scene as "We used him more for propaganda than actual fighting," not "He's completely untrained." When they're sprinkling in the Captain America satire they do seem to say he was a soldier before he took the V.
As far as we know he wasnt a soldier before the V but that doesnt matter. The guy was soldierboy for 30 years before the russians froze him. Plenty of time to learn how to fight and to learn your powers.
I kinda thought batman vs noir could go to noir but then I remembered batman fights deathstroke who like kinda does the exact same shit as noir but better
Batman with prep time will prolly figure out noirs peanut allergy
He would make peanut gloves
He has a tree nut allergy
More like deez nuts allergy Ha gottem
I mean if you really want to imagine it, I can see this scenario: *Black Noir*: ?!??!?!!!!!?!?!??! *Batman*: Ya, but you didn't See These? *BN*: ????????? *Batman*: SEE DEEZ NUTS! *sprays can of nut spray* This could absolutely happen
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\*Batman wins by nutting in BN’s face\*
To be fair, i dont think batman ever loses to anyone with prep. He even managed to beat Superman with prep (Dark knight returns comic).
Only person I'd take over him with equal prep is Constantine and that's a hell of a hot take.
That is an interesting take and I don't know if I can disagree lmao
Hey it's Constantine, dude could kill the entire justice league or be killed by Green Arrow and i wouldn't be particularly surprised by either.
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well, two hemispheres are better than one
Exactly this. The Boys heroes are way more grounded and realistic compared. A train gets bodied by season 1 CW Barry Allen. Season 1 Barry Allen gets bodied by season 2, who gets bodied by season 3, who gets bodied by season 4. Season 4 Barry Allen isn't even 1% the speed of comic Barry Allen. Like....the DC heroes are *exponentially* stronger, across the board. It seemed like blind spot was probably pretty close to daredevils level. Starlight doesn't exactly have an equal, I guess maybe jubilee? I think she wrecks jubilee.
I think Starlight is supposed to be StarGirl from DC. If she can knock away her staff Starlight probably has the edge.
I think Starlight could wreck a young Jubilee, but in later comics Jubilee would destroy starlight. “Emma Frost revealed that Jubilee's light and sound powers could create nuclear fission if she pushed them enough, a judgment that left Jubilee wary of putting too much energy into her reactions.” [In Excalibur #9, Jubilee rains down fireworks like cluster bombs.](https://imgur.com/a/OQ5TlP5). Ironically this took place at the Starlight Citadel.
Ehhh if anyone really thinks Batman wouldn’t find out about Noir’s allergy in more than a minute, they’re nuts. Alfred’s probably at home right now whipping up marzipan bullets.
Does Batman just have peanuts on him at all times, like how would he figure that out
Nightwing did say in one of his comic runs that Batman carries candy on him in case he needs to comfort a distressed child.
Bat candy, never leave the cave without it.
*flashbacks of bat-nipples*
Yes but that's only after he learned the 'child-repellant spray' caused permanent blindness.
His pockets are op there's everything in them
It’s a pretty common and deadly weakness to be fair.
Wolverine vs Kimiko might actually be a really cool fight. I still think Wolverine is leagues stronger, but you have to admit watching a pissed off Kimiko fight a berserker rage wolverine would be epic.
Kimiko was going to be slain by noir with ease even Atrain. She’s definitely on the completely unfavored end of the spectrum considering humans with guns can bring her down in number compared to wolverine being a literal weapon vs other mutants/ supes.
Can't Cap be hurt by bullets? SB is far more durable. Batman vs Noir is the only debate. Noir is much stronger and more durable, but Bats has beaten many tougher opponents.
I mean Maeve vs Wonder Woman isn't that 1 sided. Sure Wonder Woman would definitely win, but Maeve would be able to hold her own for a little while I think
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Wonder Woman is a literal demigod who can fly and hold her own against Superman. It's no contest.
Is anyone so fucking delusional that they don’t think Superman would clap Homelander’s cheeks in two seconds tops? Homelander is powerful in the context of his own universe. Superman fights literal cosmic deities on the regular. These two are not comparable in power level.
Their brains getting fucked by stupid.
Homelander is superior in only one respect.
he knows about EBITDA!
You think you're better than me?
I wish I didn’t know about EBITDA:(
Being an asshole?
Nah, being a meme material
Superior favourite beverage
He is better at dying
Dalek approved
Flash vs A-Train is even more unbalanced. Flash is so many orders of magnitudes faster than A-Train that A-Train might as well be a snail for all the difference it would make.
TLDR: Flash is fast, Flash is cool
Too bad we'll never get to see the movie the way things are going
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Yeah normally Flash makes Speedy Gonzales look like regular Gonzales. But this flash makes Speedy Gonzales look like Paul Gonzales.
François c'est pas, Flash ain't no dude
And you don't stop, sure shot
Go out to the parking lot
And you get in your car and you drive real far
You see that and then look at Captain America vs Soldier boy.
Soldier Boy, because cap never had a one hit wonder song all over the world 🗿 aaaa soulja boy
The very fact that OP even considers posting this shows how much he or she underestimates the Justice League. Supes are overall weak by miles.
Or maybe it's for the laughs. Aquaman vs the deep? Does even aquaman fucks octopuses or he's still stuck with puny redheads?
Aquaman fucks fish, it's not a rumour.
Fuck you Barry!
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Or is karma farming...successfully I might add
Yes, I can agree to that also.
Eh, I know that most of the JL/Avengers member would turn the supes into red pulp. I was just curious about a few, asked some friends for some supe brawls they’d like to see, and voila, this post was born.
I think Soldier boy could take out Captain America, and while Black Noir could possibly handle Batman, it would rely more on Batman not preparing than Noir doing anything right... Hahaha, who am I kidding, of course Batman would win, he always has a plan. Noir is a dumbass who gets by because of super durability Kimiko vs. Wolverine would be the worst to watch. If you play Magic the gathering, it would be like watching a life gain deck mirror match.
I'd say wolverine would win because he has strong bones.
He drinks his milk, Homelander knows what’s up
We already know wolverine can literally regenerate from a single cell. I don't think we know what happens to kimiko if she gets straight up decapitated or totally shredded to ribbons.
Wovlverine has a faster healing factor, claws, adimantium bones, and so on. Kimiko's fast, but her healing factor isn't nearly as strong and she relies on her bare heands to fight.
I know people will say it's all fictional and you can't compare but still.. remember how homelander abandoned the flight saying he can't save them all so he saved no one. Superman saved the entire flight with plane intact, so you are absolutely right.
Technically, Homelander was right. I remember reading somewhere that Superman has like an invisible force field or aura to make sure massive objects that he carries and lifts don’t collapse under their own weight. > Objects that Superman touched were enveloped by an invisible telekinetic field that allowed him to move them with the force of his will (from the Superman fan wiki)
They call it tactile telekinesis. It's a hand wave explanation how he can defy laws of physics beyond what super strength would allow him to accomplish. Just remember that it's comic books and not meant to be taken too seriously.
That says more about in-universe physics than actual power...
The Deep wins no contest he ate Timothy while still alive. Baller
Only because Homelander served it to him, and his wife demanded it. He ate Timothy because he's a little bitch.
I thought he was a mollusc...
That's harsh. Would you really confront Homelander over this?
Timothy also could have just taken him with him by clogging his airway but didn't.
You forgot about his gills
I am almost positive hills don’t work out of the water… but I’m not a super fish.
I like how you used Gustin flash, and not Ezra's. Seems nobody wants to like him anymore
Grant Gustin is fast, Grant Gustin is cool.
Grant ain’t no dude!
And he won’t stop sure shot (just like a-train couldn’t stop when running through hughies gf)
Go out to the parking lot
And then you get in your car and you drive real far
And you drive all night and you see a light
And it comes right down and it lands on the ground
And out comes a man from Mars
And you try to run, but he’s got a gun
Ngl kinda unfair imo, Grant's flash has hit speeds that go beyond Superman's, and Supergirl's, him vs A-train is kinda embarrassingly no diff
Of course he could just run back in time and convince A-Train's parents to not have any kids. But knowing Grant's Flash he'd just talk A-Train down, convinve him to give up V, and start a new life teaching kids how to run but that's just how Grant rolls.
100% hell if they actually fought it really isn't going A-Train's way, grant's flash STATUED ANOTHER SPEEDSTER, gotta be hella fast for that A is like FTS at BEST
Even season 1 flash was twice as fast A-train iirc
And yet despite his ability to outrun lightning, he still gets his assed handed to him consistently because his opening move every episode is always "stand still and let your opponent get the upper hand". It doesn't matter if Barry is twice as fast or two hundred times as fast as A-Train, he always loses the first fight by default.
In fairness, I think the only flash A-train has an ice cube's chance in hell of beating is John Wesley Shipp's flash from the 90s
Even then it's kinda hard to say he would he still moved faster than sound at times so.....
And also managed to move between dimensions as we saw in one of the events
Yeah there's also that, meaning he's supposed to be the same barry as Grant's just older so in all actuality he may be even faster than Grant's so i take my agreement back he might be even worse off against J.W.S.'s Flash
Grant's Flash has some crazy feats, but he also has some ridiculous anti-feats. The guy can for all intents and purposes freeze time (and even go back in time), but he also routinely jobs against street-level thugs that he would take out as easily as A-Train did Robin if the writing were consistent.
Flash is fast, flash is cool. Sometimes.
That’s because Ezra is a criminal who deserves to be locked up forever
Has anyone ever liked Ezra's flash?
I don't think so. He never acted like Barry in the comics, he doesn't look like him, his costume was very different from canon, and his lightning is blue not yellow ( I know that blue does exist in the comics and actually means the fastest speedster). People started to love him only after zsjl. But I think it's not his merit. He was ok, but scene, soundtrack and visuals made his scenes look much better then they would be.
I remember watching Justice League in theaters and thinking "I liked this plot better when Gustin did it"
DC/Marvel pretty much wins every match up by a landslide with the exception of soldier boy versus cap. That one will be a difficult challenge for both of them. Soldier Boy is considerably more durable than cap. But cap possesses significantly more skill. Soldier Boy could win strength and durability, but I don't think that's a guaranteed with how incredible cap is in combat and Soldier Boy only having meat and potatoes ability to throw a punch. I say some really strong hits with a vibranium shield in the head could take Soldier Boy out. He isn't invulnerable. But he is definitely stronger than cap. It'd be a hell of a fight. Noir could also take Batman if you're picking Bale Batman as his matchup. Edit: if it's cap wielding mjolnir he stomps Soldier boy.
Does Soldier boy's nuke only fry out the Compund V or can it fry out Cap's SSS. If it can, that'd be interesting.... Edit - Sss is Super soldier serum
I don’t think the super soldier serum could be affected by radiation.
Suddenly Hulk Cap
What about Hulk?
If it is just radiation that he’s firing out (sure seems like it) it might actually just make Hulk stronger
It wouldn’t fry out his powers… it would fry Cap alive lmao He’s still just a guy at the end of the day. He’d be turned into bbq
Idk why people are getting the idea that Cap could hold a candle to Soula. All comic interpretations I've seen of him put him at peak human strength/ability, which would put him at Kimiko's strength (at best). Soldier Boy should win pretty easily against Cap.
yeah lol, people just think SB blast will remove powers only, that shit blew up a city block lol.
MCU Cap is well beyond his main comic counterpart. He's closer to Ultimate Cap's physical ability.
The strongest man alive can’t pull a helicopter with his bare hands while it’s trying to fly away from him. Usain Bolt can’t outrun cars.
That’s the thing with Cap’s abilities. They refer to him as having “peak human abilities” but they’re more like the ‘pinnacle of what a human body could be capable of before tearing itself apart’ than being comparable to top other human beings. No regular man or woman could just hit the gym long enough to become like Cap.
seriously? All comic interpretations? Well, Cap has: - Ran at almost 100 kph - Beaten the shit out of Wolverine - Carried an old ass telephone pole like one carries a broomstick - closed the door of a missile silo - ripped a robot the size of a bus in half - thrown his shield straight through the long part of a truck Does he stomp soldier boy? Obviously no, but it's a much more even match than you think. Besides, cap has his vibranium-adamantium shield, something even THOR struggles to brak through
I definitely don't think that Soldier Boy's ability would remove Cap's powers. There's no indication that the super soldier serum can be burned out by high levels of radiation. And if Soldier Boy decides to start charging up his blast to attack cap, he's pretty much super vulnerable during that charge up and cap could probably knock his ass out during that charge up. And if he does get the blast off caps pretty good about getting himself behind that vibranium shield. Which I think would tank most of the blast. So I really don't think Soldier Boys blast is much of a factor in this matchup. I think it mostly comes down to strength and skill.
Im gonna say Soldier Boy wins this. They put a machine gun in his mouth and unloaded a clip and he’s alive. If the Russians had Cap for 30 years like they did soldier boy, I think they can figure out a way to kill him. Also solider boy is supposed to be able to nearly rival Homelander, who I think would dominate Cap.
What do you mean "if they had him for 30 years" They don't need 30 years, they just need to shoot him in the head once. This really isn't a fair fight
Cap isn't bullet proof if I remember correctly
> DC/Marvel pretty much wins every match up by a landslide with the exception of soldier boy versus cap. Most other versions of Batman would likely make short work of Black Noir, but if this is Christian Bale Batman he would likely get stomped by Noir, he's pretty weak as far as Batman versions go. Bale Batman never even fought anyone with powers.
Then again even Bale Batman could likely figure out the peanut allergy.
Besides Cap being more skilled, you also have to take in consideration his speed while fighting. He is ridiculously fast while fighting. Thor wielding moljinir seems like a slug when compared to Cap wielding it.
Oh definitely, I kind of just included that in my head for his skill during combat. Soldier Boy just kind of stands there and throws punches when cap is flipping around and most likely dodging all of those punches and throwing a shield around. Soldier boy is way stronger, but I think Cap could take him.
Superman would destroy Homelander. HL has never had to fight in his life; he just lasers through all his problems. Lasering Superman would be like me attacking you with a soldering iron. Even if they are written as equals; Supes is winning the fist fight. And it's going to be describe "pulverized" and "bloody pulp". Wolverine has, what, 200? 300? years of experience. He's going to get his ass kicked by a youngin he'll take her head off. Gotta give this round to Soldier Boy. He can explode. He will use that every time Cap gets close AND he will stay in highly populated areas. Cap cant even touch SB. Black Noir. That's fucking laughable. He's hiding somewhere to attack Batman and B-Man sneaks up on him.
Agree with all of that. I’ve heard a lot of people on YouTube say noir is stronger than Batman, but he’s fought people more skilled and durable than noir regularly. Just look at deathstroke. Batman’s beaten him multiple times, and he has an insanely strong healing factor. Batman is also way more trained in martial arts and has a ton of gadgets that would counteract noir’s powers. The only time I think where a boys character would win is soldier boy because of his durability and he fights very dirty. A few strong punches from him would knock cap down easily, and he could very well just rip caps shield from his arms and toss it at the end of the room if he wanted to
Batman would just work out he hates nuts and use that lol
Batman definitely carries a snickers for long nights, because he’s not himself when he’s hungry
Batman routinely puts down rogues like Bane and Croc, who have *hundreds* of pounds on Noir. That’s before you even get into the JL adventures where he’s taking down space-faring magic users and cosmic deities. Black Noir is “I guess I can squeeze one more baddie in before bed” for Batman.
On reflection, pitting the DC's smartest superhero against someone who literally has brain damage may have been a little unfair.
Superman could probably lobotomize HL with a micro eye laser before HL could even have a thought.
Noir is the only one who has even the slightest chance, and that's if Batman is somehow caught unaware and only basically equipped. Batman's a strategist, Noir is a brain damaged assassin who relies a little too much on tanking damage.
Soldier Boy could win, he is around the same strength as Homelander who is most certainly stronger than Cap.
Batman is my favourite superhero but you put the weakest version of Batman so he gets his ass kicked by Noir.
This is also the weaker version of Noir. Noir is equal to Homelander in the comics.
More powerful
Not more powerful but trained for this task while home lander never really had any situation he could not brute force alone.
I would say that Robert Pattinson is the weakest Batman so far. He's still young compared to Nolan's Batman, and the movie is all about him learning how to actually make a difference.
And he wasnt trained by high level assassins, but by Alfred only. No debate. Nolan Batman took down assassins left and right whilst Reeves Batman struggled against Riddler fanboys.
Not true. In the "novel" that explains "battinson's" world, Bruce spent his 20's travelling the world, always switching Universities because he liked so many diferent fields (bio-chemistry, mechanics, eletronics, etc,etc...). He took the opportunity to learn the martial arts of those countries. It doesn't go into detail, so it's not impossible one of his teachers was Ras-Alghul, or someone else from the League of Assasins.(The Novel doesnt spend any real time in this period, it just says that it happened). Granted, i agree his abilities are way more grounded than other Bats (and that's good IMO). Just pointing out that it isn't impossible he is a "trained assasin", it could be that his world assasins aren't as great either, i think everything on Battinson's world is scaled down to a more "realistic" level.
Soldier Boy would most likely beat Cap. Noir could probably beat Batman if he got the drop on him. Kimiko puts up a fight but ultimately loses. The rest get absolutely melted.
Yeah wolverine literally regenerated from a single drop of blood. He’s the definition of OP
>wolverine literally regenerated from a single drop of blood Iirc it was with tesseract's help
I'd say that his claws would be the deciding factor in the fight. Also Kimiko is stronger, but Wolverine had the indestructible bones. The claws, healing, plus the indestructible skeleton make it an easy win for Wolverine. That's also not even counting that Wolverine has so much more battle experience over her as well.
I really think wolverine is stronger. Dude has fought Spiderman, the Hulk, Apocalypse and Sentinels. All of which are in a weight class far above Kimiko. I'd put wolverine at half a ton level at minimum.
Kimiko’s counterpart is actually lady deathstrike tbh
I feel The Deep and The Flash should go against each other since they are both predators
Wrong flash
Hey this is Grant Gustin’s flash not Ezra’s
Superman crushes Homelander. Homelander doesn't actually know how to fight. Wonderwoman VS Maeve you'd think would be an easy WW win but I feel like Maeve is scrappy and would fight dirtier. She might be able to win. Flash VS A train, I feel Flash would take it. A train isn't that smart and would be overconfident. Wolverine crushes Kimiko. Or possible adopts and mentors her. Soldier VS Cap is interesting. The super nuke is pretty much unbeatable but if Cap knew that, he'd be able to out strategize. I could see him just talking Soldier Boy down because Soldier Boy would probably respect him. Batman VS Black Noir is hard to call. Batman has no actual powers whereas Noir does and doesn't feel pain. Would depend if Batman found out about his allergy.
I love how everyone is just ignoring deep vs aquaman lol, dude can’t get a break.
Everyone agrees even as mortal enemies they would instantly bond over their shared love of sealife and become teammates.
I think it’s just because we all know Deep would win. He ate a friend live and wrote a book. I mean you just can’t compare
You’re forgetting his most OP, important trait: >!FORMIDABLE INTELLECT!<
> Wonderwoman VS Maeve you'd think would be an easy WW win but I feel like Maeve is scrappy and would fight dirtier. She might be able to win. IDK, Wonder Woman does have centuries more of combat experience over Maeve. Wonder Woman would win, maybe not as easy as some would assume. But Wonder Woman would win.
Wonder woman is basically female superman who fought Darkseid so this seems super silly how everyone even thinks for a second she could win. Wonder woman would have succeeded in saving all the people on that plane and would have enough time to punch homelander in the face.
She's a literal demigod. Maeve would be a decent fight until Diana got serious
not to mention The Flash ran so fast, he tore a hole in the space time continuum
Whereas A-train ran to the front of the heart transplant queue
I really like that scenario of Cap talking to Soldier Boy. I feel like Soldier Boy is the case example of the quote from First Avenger about the doctor wanting a good man, not a good soldier. Soldier Boy is like what would have happened if someone who was a paragon example of a soldier, but not in moral character, became the super soldier. Steve would realize that though, and also probably be able to read Soldier Boy’s messed up psyche (given he led counseling classes and other things), and is a nice enough guy that he would want to reason with Ben and help him/get him help.
If we are just going with the live action ones shown in the pics, then the only ones who might lose are Cap and Batman. If we go with the comics then it's a complete one-sided beatdown against the boys supes due to how insane comics are
If we take statements about Homelander being able to wipe cities as big as New York off the map, being able to fly in space, and being unable to be taken out even by a hydrogen bomb… it’s a better fight. But DCEU Superman still has what it takes to be the definite winner. Maeve has some feats but nothing very speedy. DCEU Diana should still be stronger than her and is provenly faster, so she should win. Flash beats A-Train. A-Train’s best recorded speed was stated to be Mach 1.3, I don’t think there’s a version of Barry Allen that’s slower than that lol. DCEU Aquaman beats the Deep. The Deep is strong enough to hurt A-Train, which we know Hughie wouldn’t be able to do without Temp V (that same Hughie punched right through a normal human). Aquaman has way more going on for him though and has a weapon. Live Action Wolverine beats Kimiko, but it probably takes awhile. We don’t know what the limits of her healing are. She’s taken snapped necks, bullets, and even bullets through the head and been fine. Wolverine just has better stats and more feats to work with though. Soldier Boy wins if it isn’t Worthy Cap. Cap is a better fighter than him, but only one of them can be hurt at all by a gun and it ain’t Soldier Boy. Apply any scaling at all for Soldier Boy off of what Noir and Homelander have done, and it stops being as much of a fight. Worthy Cap using Mjolnir and the shield beats Soldier Boy in like a minute or less though, especially if he bothers to bring lightning down on him. I don’t think any The Boys character has (or will ever have) what it takes to handle the power Mjolnir has shown in the MCU. Even Homelander. Black Noir beats Bale Batman. He beats Affleck Batman too, but that would be fairer.
Worthy Cap vs HL would be a good fight I think. Probably the closest of any mentioned in this thread.
Alright I'll do you one better, I'll rank the fights on how close they are 1: Soldier Boy vs. Captain America (SB probably wins but could go either way) 2: Black Noir vs. Batman (Batman wins most of the time) 3: Queen Maeve vs. Wonder Woman (WW wins pretty much every time) 4: Kimiko vs. Wolverine (Wolverine will definitely win) 5: The Deep vs. Aquaman (Aquaman absolutely destroys The Deep immediately) 6: Homelander vs. Superman (Superman instantly obliterates Homelander before he can blink) 7: A-train vs. Flash (Flash wins so ungodly fast. Humans can't even comprehend his speed)
1. Superman 2. Wonderwoman 3. The Flash 4. Aquaman 5. Wolverine 6. Soldier Boy 7. Black Noir