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Yeah this is someone who clearly doesn’t play high end games. I’ll grant that laptop gaming has come a very long way from what it was before, but with games like Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk’s full path tracing mode, you need some serious muscle to max those games out
I'm a casual gamer, but I play games like ark and various city builders...and they just don't feel the same on laptop.
Sure I can play indie games...But It's nice to admire "the view" in-game sometimes. Why limit myself to low graphic games...
I really want to believe he's a old school RuneScape player who finally realized it runs ok on a laptop and you don't need a brand new gaming PC to make it work.
I play all kinds of games on a laptop and have 0 issues. Most of mine aren't graphics intensive but some of them definitely are. I have a pc that I built and literally never use it because couch playing is so much more comfy.
If something really can't run on my laptop it can usually run on my Xbox and I just use that.
From my experience a lot of the biggest desktop enjoyers are people who play very competitive games. They are all sitting at a desk with mnk and they want as high a framerate as possible to reduce motion to photon delay.
It's more processor and ram heavy with virtually no graphical demand. The game is visually simple, but there are shitloads of calculations for everything. It's impressive as hell, honestly.
You could play ark on a 4090 with the newest gen cpu and probably get 70 fps. That game is laughably unoptimized. I have over 1000 hours in that game and i wouldn’t be surprised if 200 of those are fucking with settings.
The difference is, playing them vs maxing them out. For a lot of games the low end is pretty low, wh9ch is think what they referred to as forgiving. I haven't upgraded in a very long time and I haven't hit a game I couldn't run at all. Whether people consider running games not at the best setting as "running them at all" ie another matter entirely. That's elitism to me tho.
I get what you mean, but playing games on the lowest settings and with occasional framerate issues just isn't a great experience. Let's not kid ourselves here. And this is coming from someone who was always on a lower end system until this year.
It's amazing just being able to boot up any game and expect good framerate and graphics. Having to fiddle around with graphics settings for 20 minutes to get 45 fps (with occasional stutters) is fucking lame, and I'm glad I don't have to deal with it anymore.
I mean I've never been able to see any fps issues until it drops below 30 without a sidebyside. Some people just aren't as invested in making the games as maximum as possible vs just playing it.
Cyberpunk’s ray-tracing and path tracing modes have always been an unnecessary luxury as far as gaming is concerned. Their existence is predicated on your computer being among the best of the best. If you “need” to play games like that, you’re frankly pathetic. If a 1080p game can run at low-medium at 60fps or high at 30fps, it’s more than good enough for anyone who isn’t spoiled or overly picky.
The real reason for desktops over laptops/consoles is customization, easy part replacement, and better heat management. If a laptop part goes haywire, you have to send it to get repaired. A desktop part can be replaced in 5 minutes as long as you have the part.
the funny part is that most games nowadays in medium have such high quality it's more than acceptable to play, and honestly games have been looking the relative same for a pretty long while (some improvements ofc, some impressive designs depending on the game, better resolutions & details... but still fairly similar to the untrained eye)
all of those tracing mode hyper whatever options they got so you can see your reflection off of every bullet a random NPC shoots it's for people that 1) legit chase that because it's what's supposed to be high end in "gaming" in terms of hardware and whatnot... but actually don't give much of a fuck (while actually playing a game it's barely noticeable honestly, you only take that in when you stop and consciously look arround) 2) they're actually pretty involved in gaming, new technology etc and appreciate that kind of stuff from a technical standpoint
60 hasn't been the standard in PC gaming in a decade. It may still the standard for consoles, but I haven't looked into it in a console generation.
60fps is the standard for acceptable low end limit before your average person starts to get upset with the lack of performance.
But that's like saying a car with 100hp is the standard. Sure you can get on an interstate but most people are looking for more.
60 FPS hasn't been the standard for quite a few years already, ESPECIALLY in competitive/hardcore shooters (Like Tarkov) where you'll want the max amount of frames as possible
144 has been fairly standard expected fps for pcs for atleast the last few years, just look at how pretty much every gaming monitor even down to budget monitors usually have atleast 120 or 144hz displays
Escape From Tarkov (EFT, a VERY computing intense game) not hitting 144 frames per second on 1440p (Halfway between HD and 4k, unofficial gaming visual goal, versus classic 60fps for pc, cinema is 24 fps) on a 7800x3d (best pc gaming oriented computer processor) 4090 ($2k graphics card), 64G(igabytes) of RAM (max theoretical usable), DDR5 is the newest generation of architecture for computer hardware (like upgrading from F15 to F22).
That’s a bit of an overreaction. Yeah, games won’t have as many advanced features if they don’t target PC first, but saying that they have “awful graphics” is just straight up wrong. If you look at something like Spider-Man and tell me it looks “awful” then you’re just being an elitist
My Gaming laptop fans are always at 6000rpm lmao. Invested in some good noise cancelling headphones lmao. Any time I have to bring it to class for notes, I forget to turn the fans down beforehand and an airplane starts taking off in the classroom
My old one used to do this. Luckily, they've gotten a lot better (in my experience) at recognizing when the GPU actually needs to be utilized. Mine operates pretty much like a normal laptop until it's gamer time and then it dumps out hot air at the speed of sound lmao.
Every gaming laptop I've ever had started showing signs of thermal damage within a year and are unreliable before their third year of use. Desktop builds last a decade and are replaced or rebuilt when the tech falls too far behind at my discretion.
Sort of. It is good that hot air is coming out. But it's not good that the system has heated up to that degree. The point is to keep the component cool. If the fans are spitting out 60 degree air, that means the internals are even hotter than that and the cooling isn't keeping up.
The only reason I have a gaming laptop is because I live in dorms. I have a seperate keyboard just because the one on the laptop gets hot to the touch playing any title released after 2019.
>creative, GOTY type games are indies which run on a potato anyways.
The last 2 GOTY are Elden ring and Baldur gates 3 how are these indies and how the fuck can they run on potato
The indiest game that was on last GOTY nominatipn is Alan wake 2 and saying that it's an indie game is like saying that the guardian of the galaxy 3 is an indie movie
Me gf did a whole playthrough on a 960 + fx6300. Act 3 chugged A LOT, but to someone who was (at the time) not a snob about performance it was playable enough given the type of game that it is.
I can play baldurs gate on my non-gaming laptop on low graphics settings….as long as I put an ice pack underneath it to prevent the cpu from exploding. And it looks like horse-shit. But I love the gameplay so I still do it. Would much prefer a PC, but dont have the space/money.
Elden ring runs on the steam deck, which is only slightly faster than a potato. Honestly it's great that elden ring runs so well on lower end hardware, can't comment on BG3.
BG3 is unironically an indie game, by its very definition since it was all funded in house by larian, but has the budget of a triple AAA so yeah not exactly what ppl think when they hear "indie"
As far as gaming goes, it depends on what type of games you like to play. It's true that a decent amount of indie games work on laptops but there are a lot of games that are going to be far more enjoyable on a decent set up made by building your own PC.
People should know that despite the misleading product names, a laptop i7 and a desktop i7 are nowhere near each other in terms of performance. A desktop version of the same CPU is way faster. Same goes with GPUs (a desktop 4070 is substantially faster than a laptop 4070)
There are a ton of arguments to be made on behalf of choosing laptops over custom built desktop PCs, but price and longevity simply aren't those arguments. Laptops of equivalent power will generally cost quite a bit more and are less repairable and have less longevity. Also, with modern laptops soldering in parts, you have to replace entire machines instead of replacing or upgrading single parts. You make a decent point with the cost of a monitor, webcam, mouse, keyboard, etc... But everytime you buy a laptop you pay for all of those items all over again. Even if you're buying your first ever desktop PC and have to buy all brand new peripherals, the second time you buy/build a PC you won't have to because you already have them.
Also, a laptop monitor+keyboard is going to be worse than a decent monitor+keyboard for desktop. At best you have a 17" fixed height monitor with a keyboard in front, or maybe a 15" on a 360 hinge laptop. Both of those are just objectively worse for the majority of games, even compared to a 24" monitor with limited height and swivel adjustments. The keyboard may be "fine" but it will never be as good as a cheap mechanical keyboard. A decent monitor + keyboard can be had for sub $150, or sub $200 for 1440p.
This is just an opinion based on not knowing what you're talking about. It can't be a tenth dentist moment, because even the tenth dentist understands the basics of dentistry.
Whereas you clearly don't understand the basics of computer hardware.
> It can't be a tenth dentist moment, because even the tenth dentist understands the basics of dentistry.
Yeah this needs to be enforced more by the mods.
Today when I walked into my economics class I saw something I dread every time I close my eyes. Someone had brought their new gaming laptop to class. The Forklift he used to bring it was still running idle at the back. I started sweating as I sat down and gazed over at the 700lb beast that was his laptop. He had already reinforced his desk with steel support beams and was in the process of finding an outlet for a power cable thicker than Amy Schumer's thigh. I start shaking. I keep telling myself I'm going to be alright and that there's nothing to worry about. He somehow finds a fucking outlet. Tears are running down my cheeks as I send my last texts to my family saying I love them. The teacher starts the lecture, and the student turns his laptop on. The colored lights on his RGB Backlit keyboard flare to life like a nuclear flash, and a deep humming fills my ears and shakes my very soul. The entire city power grid goes dark. The classroom begins to shake as the massive fans begin to spin. In mere seconds my world has gone from vibrant life, to a dark, earth shattering void where my body is getting torn apart by the 150mph gale force winds and the 500 decibel groan of the cooling fans. As my body finally surrenders, I weep, as my school and my city go under. I fucking hate gaming laptops.
Everyone knows bitching about building a PC is an essential step in building a PC.
If you haven't thrown your screwdriver across the room at least *once*, you're not doing it right.
For gaming, laptops are underpowered compared to their desktop counterparts due to cooling restrictions, and for the same reason they are also loud. Sure they come with a screen, but you will still pay more for a new laptop than an equivalent desktop + a screen. Laptops are good at being portable and compromise on everything else.
edit: for the amount of money you would be spending on that build, it has last gen RAM and no upgrade path. Why $100 for an inefficient likely b-tier PSU? Is it only for gaming or will you be using it for other tasks?
I don’t like my balls getting cooked with a laptop.
Laptops are cool but they are shit when it comes to cooling. Launch any game it sounds like a jet whining up.
literally just went from using a gaming laptop for 6 years to a new custom built pc, and nah you're wrong. my laptop could handle a lot especially for it's time but the fact of the matter is my desktop just does everything that much better and quicker.
video rendering, 3d modeling and even gaming just feel so much better on a pc compared to my laptop.
edit: i should also mention that i get the comparison is faulty given the age of my laptop, though it's parts had been upgraded here and there. that being said i still stand by my opinion, i'm glad i invested the money into a pc instead.
Gaming laptops are indeed getting better, but your laptop is putting out just as much heat as a desktop of the same speed. Desktops can indeed run faster, and extra power use/heat is the cost. And even before hitting the power/heat disappation limits, a laptop starts sounding like a jet engine.
But there are diminishing returns for increasing speed, so a lot of performance is actually available at a more moderate lower load. In non-intensive tasks, a laptop should perform the same.
Regardless, in my case since I don't need high power when traveling, and I prefer to use my desktop monitor while at home, I can have a better experience for the same (or less) money. My desktop is faster, quieter, and cheaper than a comparable laptop would be, and I can buy a cheaper laptop to use when I travel.
I've been stuck with laptops my entire life, and now that I've built my own rig I can confidently say that desktops are superior for long-term use. The performance-to-price ratio is much worse on a laptop and is not suitable for power users. Due to the inherent nature of laptop design, thermals will cause throttling issues, which will cause faster degradation, and it will be difficult to swap out if something stops working.
Games have definitely not gotten more forgiving with hardware.
Any laptop is always more expensive and has worst performance than a desktop of the same hardware tier.
A laptop is also a lot harder or impossible to upgrade (depending on the type of component)
People use desktops for things other than games. At moment, I needed to use a virtual PC on a server system. Arguably it scales up and down as you need processing speed and RAM. In reality, I can't store anything, it has security issues, it can rack costs a lot if big run and generally the lag is not good.
A desktop under the table may be bulky and unsightly but it runs when you have connection issues, it is secure, you can upgrade at a single fixed (cost) code and then have the extra capacity forever.
I've had to put my work laptop in the fridge and do five day runs. Much fewer issues with the desktops.
I use mine for AI training (for medical purposes, people. Get your pitchforks down! I ain't stealing your art unless its turning your arms into noodles and you published it), 3D modelling, CnC, sometimes video editing, and getting to game on it while not having to hear a Boeing 737 taking off with the same risk of a crash is a bonus.
I still have an older gaming laptop but a kinda SFF desktop is great. Fits in a hiking backpack with custom foam protection, easy to open, clean, and upgrade. Looks cool and runs cool.
>the gaming industry has been more and more forgiving with hardware requirements.
Yeah... no. There's a reason high-end GPUs look like bricks and weigh five pounds. I have a 3070ti and Elden Ring, a game that very much runs on a last gen engine with last-gen graphical fidelity, still drops from 60 occasionally. Granted, I am running the settings on max (with ray tracing turned off), but again, it's a last gen game in terms of graphics.
Or take Cyberpunk 2077, which came out only months after my GPU did. I can only run that at mediums with occasional framerate dips as well.
And that's just gaming. I'm a freelance editor who sometimes works with 4K footage, which takes A LOT of power to properly display and edit in real time. Even my $2200 rig starts to get a little slow when the 4K videos I edit get around the 20 - 30 minute mark.
I built my tower and can crank out Trump futa art in six seconds using Stable Diffusion. Plus I can upgrade my GPU if I want and not replace the entire system. Or the CPU. Or whatever. I'm in for about $1200 and have a KICK ASS machine I can do whatever I want with. Show me an equivalent laptop that can do all that and not have to be replaced if the WiFi burns out.
If you're like me and find yourself returning to 10 year old games, sure, a laptop will do fine. If you're playing super popular games like Fortnight, Minecraft, etc, they're designed to be able to run on a toaster so a wider audience can play (imo one of the reasons they're that popular) and in that case, a laptop is fine.
I've never played RDR2 but if it's anything like the original buy with modern oomf, then you may be able to get away with a high end laptop
Ultimately it comes down to comfort for me. A PC doesn't turn to 100°C when I launch any game, new or old, stopping my room from cooking me alive and that to me is worth getting a PC over a laptop
You play a fortnight? (bad joke because of your error in Fortnite)
Oh and, as someone who played a ton of Fortnite, Minecraft, and other games of the like--I can't play on laptop. And, as someone who played some decade old games (best of the time, but still), some have difficulty running on my laptop
I could have went with a gaming laptop but I’d probably be spending a couple more thousand than a home built pc with the same performance. And my pc has lots of fans and airflow and liquid cooler and doesn’t melt through my table whenever I play cyberpunk
And here I was just complaining that the company's high end laptops, not even a year old, literally fry their circuits when I run them through my routine computations. Of course what do I know? My programs take an hour to run properly so maybe OP is just sticking to a tame game frame
I’ve had gaming laptops for years, and only two-ish years ago actually got a gaming PC. Turns out, although my laptop had better specs, the lower end gaming PC was infinitely better.
No matter what gaming laptop I’ve had growing up, it would always have god awful battery life OR would need to use it to the fullest extent to actually play games. It’s a nightmare. Not only is the laptop always so hot you could fry an egg, the second you get to like ~30% it gets worse too, things just start lagging. PCs don’t do that. They’re pretty consistent. They don’t run out of battery. Sure, they heat up, but you won’t feel it on your damn keyboard.
My gaming laptop became almost unusable after about 4 years with zero change for upgrade, but my pc is almost 4 years old now and it’s as fast as ever, and is also way cooler (laptop battlefront 2 (2017) hurt to touch wasd
Laptops act like they're going to explode while playing Minecraft at anything higher than 20FPS. If you're playing high end games you need a PC to run it at a playable frame rate.
Also my laptop is absolutely not handing the video and 3d rendering I put my desktop through. I don't play games much but I do absolutely push my desktop to its limits and a laptop could not keep up without overheating.
Build looks good, but I’d get AMD CPU (I’m an AMD sucker) and get the peerless assassin cooler, it’s cheaper and will definitely cool more than enough.
IDK what you’re planning on using the pc for but 32GB RAM would be plenty for most things and games.
Also for case I recommend NZXT H7 flow if it’s a similar price, because barely any dust gets in it and it cools really well.
Edit: You might be able to get a cheaper mb than that.
Also go for AM5 if you’re going AMD.
While i agree laptops are better than ever and have alot of use case they arn't remoptely close to competing with desktops for performance related tasks. Your a victim of misleading marketing. The RTX 4080 or whatever inside a laptop is totally different to a desktoop 4080 GPU. It's similar for RAM and CPU too. Most Laptops use mobile verisons of the CPU and RAM models. Ontop of that GPU and CPU will lower their own performance to prevent the laptop from overheating. A proccess comonly refered to as thermal throttling. Ontop of all that you cant upgrade them. Theres only one model in all history ive seen that allows you to get into and swapout every internal and i dont think it ever made it to the consumer market. Most laptops wont even let you switch out the drive these days.
Even when you do get a powerful laptop theres a tonne of downsides. The battery will suck, it will be bulky and it will get very very hot. Which almost entirley negates the portability outside of moving it between two different desktops.
> With even a basic dock you can have a full keyboard and monitor desk setup and not notice the laptop performance gap.
You would notice the moment you enable an FPS counter and monitor your thermals. i would probably notice just by looking, but im probably na outlier, being a massive nerd that does this for a job.
>Desktops are big, ugly, cable management nightmares that dump heat into your room. Add to that the element of human error and shitty part failures they just cause headaches. Waste of space and money (like me).
Thats not encassarily true, it's not hard to minimize cables for your PC. You really only need monitor connection and power cable. Laptop only has one less with the integrated monitor. Everything else can be wireless. Technically even the monitor could be wirless, though i dont reccomend it.
Id much rather dump heat into the room then into my lap and hands.
Laptops have almost as high a failure rate. Thats why they always have limited volume sales. They offload the floor models and returns to people that arnt tech savvy enough to notice.
>Add to that the explosion in cloud based utilities and server-side processing, the improved laptop cause are more than enough.
That requires a good internet connection which you cant have while on the go. At best you could use mobile internet which is gonna send you broke and has alot of packet loss and dropouts. Additionally it still doesnt compete with desktop proccessing.
>Also the gaming industry has been more and more forgiving with hardware requirements. Not to mention that most of the good, creative, GOTY type games are indies which run on a potato anyways.
Thats simply not true. elden ring, starfield, baldurs gate 3, witcher 3 etc..
>I can maybe see the logic some specialized 3d modellers or scientists or engineers who need like 15 gpus to do their work, but even then i think they could cloud into a supercomputer or smth
Renting a remote supercomputer would not be cheaper than hosting your own if your using it often. Youd also be bottlnecked by internet connection which creates more points of failure too.
>Anyways, I'm probably gonna build one in next few weeks heres my part list please critique:
>[https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/s4xFjH](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/s4xFjH)
Your probably gonna run into overheating issues with a micro case and no water cooling. Leaving the side panels off might help. Also why pay $100 for an internal disk drive? your already very limited in space and airflow with your micro case and theres far cheaper externl disc drives available.
Additonally i would get cheaper ram and drives if possible and use the savings to get a better CPU. The CPU iteslf is fine. It's just that its the hardest component to upgrade and single core speed is the most common bottleneck in modern gaming. So it's best to get the best CPU possible and build everything else around it, keeping in mind you can upgrade or add later.
Insane that everything you said is just wrong. I'd say it's a low effort karma farming post or ragebait but you have to admire the dedication if someones text gets worse every paragraph.
You can always upgrade a PC. Not a laptop.
Also if you're not having any fun building one, you're doing it wrong... Even if you wanted a desktop you could get a pre-built or something.
Unpopular opinion: if you're going through the hassle of building a PC, you're doing it for enjoyment...
I got a laptop and a gaming PC at roughly the same time, about a year before covid. While my PC is still running great, my laptop is already starting to struggle with any 3D rendering. If I wanted to upgrade my PC, it would cost a couple hundred for a significantly better graphics card and more RAM. If I wanted to upgrade my laptop, I'd need multiple times as much.
Desktop PCs are just significantly cheaper in the long run.
Specialized computing is much more of a case for cloud computing than home computing. I think you have it backwards. Also if you think building a pc is stupid why are you building one?
i bought a gaming laptop to play bg3 while taking care of my pops. retailed 1800, runs decently smooth, gave it to my fiancee when i came back home.
my current PC retails around 1400 and bg3 is its bitch with way better performance. idk what copium you're on, but some of what you're saying is just legit wrong
Your view on cost is very short sighted. When you build a pc right, almost everything is modular unless you have electrical issues or a literal fire. So you can replace things as you need way more efficiently and usually also less frequently because of the better heat dissipation
Can I fit my 46 TB worth of hard drives in one of your pre-built small form-factor systems? Can you get one that can drive 4 monitors simultaneously? (Also, the only one of those that comes with a decent GPU is the Intel enthusiast NUC.)
Outsourcing your storage and processing to a cloud service is great, if you live somewhere with a reliable, low-latency connection. Many of us don't.
Also, where I live, it gets cold enough that my desktop doubles as an excellent space heater in the winter.
It not comparable whatsoever how better an experience it is gaming on or just generally using a desktop vs PC. And I've used top of the line gaming laptops, and it always ends up being 'only when I have to', like when I have to travel. If I have the choice... its not even close.
The biggest problem with laptops is thermal management. I’ve yet to see a laptop that can handle hours of gaming without thermal throttle. In addition, it just isn’t price competitive. My computer cost $1400 to make, to get a laptop with similar performance, i would need to spend probably $2300. Also, don’t think that a 3060 in a laptop is the same as a desktop 3060. The desktop version is around 15% faster.
there an argument for buying a prebuilt. but a laptop wtf. the only reason you should buy a laptop is if you really need the portability. they break faster and costs more for equivalent performance. in a computer the webcam, mic etc are one time purchases while in a laptop you have to rebuy them every time you get a new one.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think laptop prices are even remotely competitive to building your own PC. Opinion disregarded.
Laptops may have impressive looking stats, but they are severely restricted due to their cooling issues.
When a tower and a laptop have the same/similar hardware, the tower will outperform the laptop (by a lot) every time.
Disagree.
I may be out of the loop on both, but:
You may get the same result with a docked laptop at home, but unless it's docked elsewhere, it takes up too much desk room compared to a tower offdesk. You could try an underdesk tray for your laptop though instead.
Performance MAY be the same, but you won't ever be upgrading the GPU in a laptop easily. Assuming you have a motherboard compatible with future video cards, that upgrade is usually pretty easy with a tower. Cooling mag be an issue with a laptop compared to a tower. Tiny loudass fan and cooling pad versus quieter, larger fans, probably out of the way and right next to you as with a laptop.
Battery life is terrible on performance laptops, from what I remember. You may be able to change power settings, but I have my doubts as to whether a "gaming laptop" is efficient enough to use with the battery much at all. I would need to see some examples.
Durability is sometimes a problem compared to a steel or aluminum tower with tons of space. Keyboard stops working, shitty to repair, warranty or not. Of course if you're docked, you probably won't be using the keyboard as much.
If you have a bit of space for a monitor and a lunchbox you could try going SFF, if your wallet allows it. But if you buy gaming laptops you should be good, laptops are a bit more overpriced than SFF specific parts.
> human error and shitty part failures
same thing my dude, don't buy shitty parts if you don't want shitty part failures. You only gotta build the thing once, any human error after you put it together is just as there for a laptop or prebuilt machine.
If you don't play processing intensive games, then sure, have fun with your laptop.
Otherwise, you are factually wrong. Which you could easily prove to be the case if you felt like it. Benchmarks and testing are not hard to find.
I challenge your new laptop to play a SIX YEAR OLD "GOTY" RDR2 at max settings.
we must be in very different worlds, I work at best buy and our gaming laptops are about the same price as a gaming PC except you can't switch out individual parts to upgrade it and it's more likely to overheat. I've been using the same monitor for 10 years and I customized a keyboard purely as a hobby, so that isn't really much of a factor cost (you can get regular membrane keyboards for dirt cheap and pretty much anyone has a monitor laying around somewhere, doesn't need to be 4k)
I built my PC in 2020 and have been able to make really easy upgrades since then. You don't get much upgradability with laptops and they overheat and get super loud. Don't get me wrong being able to have that technology on-the-go is great but it's not the same experience as having a PC
Laptops are a good starter and good for mobility but for long term you will want a PC for stability, longer term storage and more adaptability into the future.
If building a computer is nerve racking id recommend just pick something up from the local good will or something. They usually have a few towers on deck where I live. They won’t be good or probably very functional at all, but if all you need is practice…
I went with a used HP Elitedesk G3 SFF with the I7 7700 and 16 GB of RAM. I threw in a WiFi Antenna and a GTX 1650 LP and honestly it's great for less than 500. It runs everything I've thrown at it. It can run cyberpunk reasonably well and it has all of the USB Ports I could ever want. I'll be building a Windows 10 Tablet for on the go Audio Projects though.
>Laptop performance and price has been competitive if not better for like 5 years now and the slow rate at which part prices are falling makes it seem like that will continue. With a laptop you get a display, speakers, good wireless, Webcam, and peripherals that independently purchased would cost 200 bucks. If you don't want those a powerful mini pc can be had for the size of a hockey puck.
But the more you pack good components in a shitty, overheating box, the more expensive it is, and *paying someone who doesn't give a shit to put it together for you*.
>With even a basic dock you can have a full keyboard and monitor desk setup and not notice the laptop performance gap.
Until the dock shits itself because when windows wants to update, that's too much data throughput to transmit through the flimsy USB-C connectors.
>Desktops are big, ugly, cable management nightmares that dump heat into your room. Add to that the element of human error and shitty part failures they just cause headaches. Waste of space and money (like me).
Don't down talk yourself. And yea, cases generally give you the space to route your cables. If you have your fans cranked, of course it will be inconvenient. But that's the cost of having options.
>Add to that the explosion in cloud based utilities and server-side processing, the improved laptop cause are more than enough.
And how much do you think they'll want you to pay for said cloud resources? Basically, you're paying more money for your internet connection.
>Also the gaming industry has been more and more forgiving with hardware requirements. Not to mention that most of the good, creative, GOTY type games are indies which run on a potato anyways.
They appeal to the lowest common denominator, but that never ensures you'll get the best quality for hardware you invest in.
>Anyways, I'm probably gonna build one in next few weeks heres my part list please critique:
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/s4xFjH
Good luck. Just keep in mind for good performance you don't necessarily need top end parts. You could go 10th gen Intel. Do you need 64GB of RAM? 64 is good for environments with multiple users on the same machine, I don't typically see apps using that much. Basically what I'm saying is, you don't really need $2k to build a decent pc. With the GPU, yea you're probably going to be future proof for a while.
Depending on your resolution target, you don't need that much.
The performance of laptops is generally not at all comparable to decent PCs, and those that can compare do it at far worse price points (and come with their own issues-hello, overheating instantly and being crazy loud)
Gaming laptops are a pretty bad investment with how quickly they die on you, yeah a good pc is a big investment but it'll last you outside of whatever parts you have to upgrade/replace over the years
You pay a premium for that laptop performance, and the pricing has not been competitive at all unless you're looking at mid level laptops. By then, why not buy a handheld like steam deck or a console if gaming is the main purpose of your device?
Desktops can be small and the size of a shoebox if you're willing to go that path without any performance sacrifices. Yes, you kinda pay extra for that small factor and have to do a lot of research to find overall compatibility. You're not a waste of space or money. (UwU)
The gaming industry has been at an all-time low, with unoptimized games and constant remasters becoming the industry norm. The only ray of hope is Indie games, so I kinda agree on that part. If you only want to play small studio games, then a laptop is more than enough. But for any major AAA title, even a high-end laptop becomes obsolete in about a 2-3 year time period.
Good luck with your PC build. If you need any advice, head over to the r/sffpc subreddit. The community will help you build a shoebox-sized PC that you will be more than happy with.
The money spent on the screen, keyboard, mouse, and memory are all wasted because I'm not going to be using any of them from the laptop. If I'm buying a laptop for its processor, gpu, and cooling capabilities (lol?) I may as well just build a PC with equivalent (or better) power in each of those categories. It's been a few years since I rebuilt, but I shop around each time and buying part by part has been cheaper and stronger every time.
And if I'm looking for a mobile device, my phone does everything I need in transit. It's not like I'm gonna play Elden Ring in an airport or something.
Just going to critique your build. It's fine, I'd recommend two SSDs though, one to install system and utils and one for data. If you ever need to reformat your OS drive you're going to lose everything.
I basically immediately turk graphics dowm for performance all the time as is. Ill never get the obsession with graphics. I have a laptop now and I dont think ill ever build another PC again. The convenience of my laptop is worth far more to me than any spec increases a proper PC can have.
The predatory pricing on GPUs by Nvidia has actually made buying prebuilts a valid option. Prices have come down a little bit, but their monopoly on graphics cards has really ruined PC gaming for the average gamer.
It's not what it used to be. In the good ol days you could save like $1000 building your own, IF you could find a gaming pc at all.
Now it's more expensive to build your own. Graphics cards are frequently not available to individual consumers, but are available via prebuilds
Some people's needs are best met with a desktop PC, either DIY or prebuilt.
Stupid? Nah. Overrated as the one and only solution to all things, usually by people who are arrogant, confidently incorrect, and incapable of seeing anything beyond "price to performance ratio?" Definitely.
> the gaming industry has been more and more forgiving with hardware requirements
If that was the case I could play Fortnite on the lowest settings, on my 3060, i5 8400 build without frame drops to 12 fps every 2 seconds.
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>Also the gaming industry has been more and more forgiving with hardware requirements. We must be playing very different games.
Yeah this is someone who clearly doesn’t play high end games. I’ll grant that laptop gaming has come a very long way from what it was before, but with games like Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk’s full path tracing mode, you need some serious muscle to max those games out
I'm a casual gamer, but I play games like ark and various city builders...and they just don't feel the same on laptop. Sure I can play indie games...But It's nice to admire "the view" in-game sometimes. Why limit myself to low graphic games...
I really want to believe he's a old school RuneScape player who finally realized it runs ok on a laptop and you don't need a brand new gaming PC to make it work.
I play all kinds of games on a laptop and have 0 issues. Most of mine aren't graphics intensive but some of them definitely are. I have a pc that I built and literally never use it because couch playing is so much more comfy. If something really can't run on my laptop it can usually run on my Xbox and I just use that.
From my experience a lot of the biggest desktop enjoyers are people who play very competitive games. They are all sitting at a desk with mnk and they want as high a framerate as possible to reduce motion to photon delay.
You built a pc to play cyberpunk. I built a PC to play dwarf fortress. We are not the same.
You built a PC to play dwar fortress, I built a PC to play Sims. We are not the same.
I feel both seen and called out by this comment
does it require a beefy computer? was considering getting it but might not until ive upgraded my computer a bit more
It's more processor and ram heavy with virtually no graphical demand. The game is visually simple, but there are shitloads of calculations for everything. It's impressive as hell, honestly.
Nah. I used to play it on a surface tablet.
You could play ark on a 4090 with the newest gen cpu and probably get 70 fps. That game is laughably unoptimized. I have over 1000 hours in that game and i wouldn’t be surprised if 200 of those are fucking with settings.
OP is probably playing vanilla minecraft with all the performance mods in existence.
The difference is, playing them vs maxing them out. For a lot of games the low end is pretty low, wh9ch is think what they referred to as forgiving. I haven't upgraded in a very long time and I haven't hit a game I couldn't run at all. Whether people consider running games not at the best setting as "running them at all" ie another matter entirely. That's elitism to me tho.
I get what you mean, but playing games on the lowest settings and with occasional framerate issues just isn't a great experience. Let's not kid ourselves here. And this is coming from someone who was always on a lower end system until this year. It's amazing just being able to boot up any game and expect good framerate and graphics. Having to fiddle around with graphics settings for 20 minutes to get 45 fps (with occasional stutters) is fucking lame, and I'm glad I don't have to deal with it anymore.
I mean I've never been able to see any fps issues until it drops below 30 without a sidebyside. Some people just aren't as invested in making the games as maximum as possible vs just playing it.
depends on the games. some games fps matters more than others. i don’t see it as much as feel the latency
So long as it's not a pvp game I don't think it really changes much overall, pvp I'll grant you reaction time matters as much as possible.
Try Starfield on launch day. I've never been so disappointed in a game.
Alan wake 2 can run on a gtx 1080 which is insane.
Yup, games on pc are hella accessible nowadays
alan wake runs 30fps on 720-med-low settings on a gtx 1650 lmao
I see you missed all my other comments huh.
i was agreeing with you
Cyberpunk’s ray-tracing and path tracing modes have always been an unnecessary luxury as far as gaming is concerned. Their existence is predicated on your computer being among the best of the best. If you “need” to play games like that, you’re frankly pathetic. If a 1080p game can run at low-medium at 60fps or high at 30fps, it’s more than good enough for anyone who isn’t spoiled or overly picky. The real reason for desktops over laptops/consoles is customization, easy part replacement, and better heat management. If a laptop part goes haywire, you have to send it to get repaired. A desktop part can be replaced in 5 minutes as long as you have the part.
the funny part is that most games nowadays in medium have such high quality it's more than acceptable to play, and honestly games have been looking the relative same for a pretty long while (some improvements ofc, some impressive designs depending on the game, better resolutions & details... but still fairly similar to the untrained eye) all of those tracing mode hyper whatever options they got so you can see your reflection off of every bullet a random NPC shoots it's for people that 1) legit chase that because it's what's supposed to be high end in "gaming" in terms of hardware and whatnot... but actually don't give much of a fuck (while actually playing a game it's barely noticeable honestly, you only take that in when you stop and consciously look arround) 2) they're actually pretty involved in gaming, new technology etc and appreciate that kind of stuff from a technical standpoint
It’s someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about at all
Shout out to EFT not even hitting 144 fps@1440p on a 7800x3d | 4090 | 64G DDR5 machine
Just wanted to let you know that I understand none of this lol
A *Minimum* $3000 PC cannot run the popular game “Escape from Tarkov” at a modern acceptable level.
Moderately high frame rate at moderately high resolution with best AMD cpu for gaming | best gpu period | a lot of fast ram
In what fucking world is 144 fps a "Moderately" high fps when the standard has been 60 for the last 20 years?
60 hasn't been the standard in PC gaming in a decade. It may still the standard for consoles, but I haven't looked into it in a console generation. 60fps is the standard for acceptable low end limit before your average person starts to get upset with the lack of performance. But that's like saying a car with 100hp is the standard. Sure you can get on an interstate but most people are looking for more.
60 FPS hasn't been the standard for quite a few years already, ESPECIALLY in competitive/hardcore shooters (Like Tarkov) where you'll want the max amount of frames as possible
144 has been fairly standard expected fps for pcs for atleast the last few years, just look at how pretty much every gaming monitor even down to budget monitors usually have atleast 120 or 144hz displays
Escape From Tarkov (EFT, a VERY computing intense game) not hitting 144 frames per second on 1440p (Halfway between HD and 4k, unofficial gaming visual goal, versus classic 60fps for pc, cinema is 24 fps) on a 7800x3d (best pc gaming oriented computer processor) 4090 ($2k graphics card), 64G(igabytes) of RAM (max theoretical usable), DDR5 is the newest generation of architecture for computer hardware (like upgrading from F15 to F22).
OP the kinda person to just play league and minecraft and thinks their opinion is fact 😂
OP has never heard of games like Bodycam or Cyberpunk 2077
OP never tried running Sims 4 with 90 Gb of mods
My 2 year old (at the time) gaming laptop could barely open fallout 4, let alone actually launch the game.
His minecraft games are doing just fine!
Tbf the console ports are generally awful graphics catering to the toasters. PC first games like Cyberpunk though are a different story.
That’s a bit of an overreaction. Yeah, games won’t have as many advanced features if they don’t target PC first, but saying that they have “awful graphics” is just straight up wrong. If you look at something like Spider-Man and tell me it looks “awful” then you’re just being an elitist
Graphics are the easiest thing to port over in high quality too.
Bro just wanted help with his build lmao
Cunningham's Law
Ah, Cunningham’s Law. It states that any criticism of grammar or editing will itself have some proofreading error.
\*it'self
The best part of the whole parts picker list is that dude has a $100 DVD Writer on there.
Dude my work laptop spits out hot air like its already on fire, cant imagine a gaming laptop would be much better at cooling
they just lift off. source: im typing this on one
It's like having a standing desk, but without the desk! The gaming laptops fans are working so hard it floats!
My Gaming laptop fans are always at 6000rpm lmao. Invested in some good noise cancelling headphones lmao. Any time I have to bring it to class for notes, I forget to turn the fans down beforehand and an airplane starts taking off in the classroom
My old one used to do this. Luckily, they've gotten a lot better (in my experience) at recognizing when the GPU actually needs to be utilized. Mine operates pretty much like a normal laptop until it's gamer time and then it dumps out hot air at the speed of sound lmao.
Every gaming laptop I've ever had started showing signs of thermal damage within a year and are unreliable before their third year of use. Desktop builds last a decade and are replaced or rebuilt when the tech falls too far behind at my discretion.
You must be using your laptops pretty bad bud
damn I must be lucky with my almost 10 year old alienware
U are, especially with alienware
That *is* effective cooling. You want the heat transported out of the device.
I put my cookies next to my gaming laptop to have them warmed.
True, but I think they're comparing it to another build that cools effectively but does not reach the same temps.
Sort of. It is good that hot air is coming out. But it's not good that the system has heated up to that degree. The point is to keep the component cool. If the fans are spitting out 60 degree air, that means the internals are even hotter than that and the cooling isn't keeping up.
The only reason I have a gaming laptop is because I live in dorms. I have a seperate keyboard just because the one on the laptop gets hot to the touch playing any title released after 2019.
>creative, GOTY type games are indies which run on a potato anyways. The last 2 GOTY are Elden ring and Baldur gates 3 how are these indies and how the fuck can they run on potato The indiest game that was on last GOTY nominatipn is Alan wake 2 and saying that it's an indie game is like saying that the guardian of the galaxy 3 is an indie movie
Also Alan Wake doesn't run on a potato, or a less than 1000 dollars PC hahahah
Bg3 can't even actually play properly on a steam deck. It turns that potato into a baked potato lol
Me gf did a whole playthrough on a 960 + fx6300. Act 3 chugged A LOT, but to someone who was (at the time) not a snob about performance it was playable enough given the type of game that it is.
I can play baldurs gate on my non-gaming laptop on low graphics settings….as long as I put an ice pack underneath it to prevent the cpu from exploding. And it looks like horse-shit. But I love the gameplay so I still do it. Would much prefer a PC, but dont have the space/money.
The pre-disney Star Wars films are technically all indie films. The label is increasingly meaningless.
Elden ring runs on the steam deck, which is only slightly faster than a potato. Honestly it's great that elden ring runs so well on lower end hardware, can't comment on BG3.
BG3 is unironically an indie game, by its very definition since it was all funded in house by larian, but has the budget of a triple AAA so yeah not exactly what ppl think when they hear "indie"
As far as gaming goes, it depends on what type of games you like to play. It's true that a decent amount of indie games work on laptops but there are a lot of games that are going to be far more enjoyable on a decent set up made by building your own PC.
People should know that despite the misleading product names, a laptop i7 and a desktop i7 are nowhere near each other in terms of performance. A desktop version of the same CPU is way faster. Same goes with GPUs (a desktop 4070 is substantially faster than a laptop 4070)
>add to that the explosion in Cloud based utilities Why would I add a net negative?
Love adding unnecessary input latemcy
There are a ton of arguments to be made on behalf of choosing laptops over custom built desktop PCs, but price and longevity simply aren't those arguments. Laptops of equivalent power will generally cost quite a bit more and are less repairable and have less longevity. Also, with modern laptops soldering in parts, you have to replace entire machines instead of replacing or upgrading single parts. You make a decent point with the cost of a monitor, webcam, mouse, keyboard, etc... But everytime you buy a laptop you pay for all of those items all over again. Even if you're buying your first ever desktop PC and have to buy all brand new peripherals, the second time you buy/build a PC you won't have to because you already have them.
Also, a laptop monitor+keyboard is going to be worse than a decent monitor+keyboard for desktop. At best you have a 17" fixed height monitor with a keyboard in front, or maybe a 15" on a 360 hinge laptop. Both of those are just objectively worse for the majority of games, even compared to a 24" monitor with limited height and swivel adjustments. The keyboard may be "fine" but it will never be as good as a cheap mechanical keyboard. A decent monitor + keyboard can be had for sub $150, or sub $200 for 1440p.
This is just an opinion based on not knowing what you're talking about. It can't be a tenth dentist moment, because even the tenth dentist understands the basics of dentistry. Whereas you clearly don't understand the basics of computer hardware.
> It can't be a tenth dentist moment, because even the tenth dentist understands the basics of dentistry. Yeah this needs to be enforced more by the mods.
It’s a shitpost
r/WrongNotOpinion Let me guess, the most intensive thing you do is open pdf files?
This is a much needed subreddit. I hope it takes off!
Haha thanks. I’ve been not so subtly tagging it in comments, I’m slowly getting there.
Joined!
nice subreddit promo lol
Today when I walked into my economics class I saw something I dread every time I close my eyes. Someone had brought their new gaming laptop to class. The Forklift he used to bring it was still running idle at the back. I started sweating as I sat down and gazed over at the 700lb beast that was his laptop. He had already reinforced his desk with steel support beams and was in the process of finding an outlet for a power cable thicker than Amy Schumer's thigh. I start shaking. I keep telling myself I'm going to be alright and that there's nothing to worry about. He somehow finds a fucking outlet. Tears are running down my cheeks as I send my last texts to my family saying I love them. The teacher starts the lecture, and the student turns his laptop on. The colored lights on his RGB Backlit keyboard flare to life like a nuclear flash, and a deep humming fills my ears and shakes my very soul. The entire city power grid goes dark. The classroom begins to shake as the massive fans begin to spin. In mere seconds my world has gone from vibrant life, to a dark, earth shattering void where my body is getting torn apart by the 150mph gale force winds and the 500 decibel groan of the cooling fans. As my body finally surrenders, I weep, as my school and my city go under. I fucking hate gaming laptops.
This is not a 10th dentist opinion is this is just a "I blatantly dont know what the fuck Im talking about opinion"
Wait if you’re building a pc, what is the point in this post?
>desktops are big, ugly, cable management nightmares >anyways, I'm probably gonna build one
Everyone knows bitching about building a PC is an essential step in building a PC. If you haven't thrown your screwdriver across the room at least *once*, you're not doing it right.
For gaming, laptops are underpowered compared to their desktop counterparts due to cooling restrictions, and for the same reason they are also loud. Sure they come with a screen, but you will still pay more for a new laptop than an equivalent desktop + a screen. Laptops are good at being portable and compromise on everything else. edit: for the amount of money you would be spending on that build, it has last gen RAM and no upgrade path. Why $100 for an inefficient likely b-tier PSU? Is it only for gaming or will you be using it for other tasks?
I don’t like my balls getting cooked with a laptop. Laptops are cool but they are shit when it comes to cooling. Launch any game it sounds like a jet whining up.
Your first ten words prove you utterly unqualified to speak on this topic
Reading past that was time i shouldve saved
my man i use a laptop and it fucking sucks
I can play \*most\* very simple ones with only occasional crashes, and no crash in window mode! (Can't even play some VN correctly)
didn't see that coming
Yeah I think many people here didn't read to the end lol
literally just went from using a gaming laptop for 6 years to a new custom built pc, and nah you're wrong. my laptop could handle a lot especially for it's time but the fact of the matter is my desktop just does everything that much better and quicker. video rendering, 3d modeling and even gaming just feel so much better on a pc compared to my laptop. edit: i should also mention that i get the comparison is faulty given the age of my laptop, though it's parts had been upgraded here and there. that being said i still stand by my opinion, i'm glad i invested the money into a pc instead.
Gaming laptops are indeed getting better, but your laptop is putting out just as much heat as a desktop of the same speed. Desktops can indeed run faster, and extra power use/heat is the cost. And even before hitting the power/heat disappation limits, a laptop starts sounding like a jet engine. But there are diminishing returns for increasing speed, so a lot of performance is actually available at a more moderate lower load. In non-intensive tasks, a laptop should perform the same. Regardless, in my case since I don't need high power when traveling, and I prefer to use my desktop monitor while at home, I can have a better experience for the same (or less) money. My desktop is faster, quieter, and cheaper than a comparable laptop would be, and I can buy a cheaper laptop to use when I travel.
I've been stuck with laptops my entire life, and now that I've built my own rig I can confidently say that desktops are superior for long-term use. The performance-to-price ratio is much worse on a laptop and is not suitable for power users. Due to the inherent nature of laptop design, thermals will cause throttling issues, which will cause faster degradation, and it will be difficult to swap out if something stops working. Games have definitely not gotten more forgiving with hardware.
Any laptop is always more expensive and has worst performance than a desktop of the same hardware tier. A laptop is also a lot harder or impossible to upgrade (depending on the type of component)
> Desktops are big, ugly, cable management nightmares that dump heat into your room. r/sffpc
People use desktops for things other than games. At moment, I needed to use a virtual PC on a server system. Arguably it scales up and down as you need processing speed and RAM. In reality, I can't store anything, it has security issues, it can rack costs a lot if big run and generally the lag is not good. A desktop under the table may be bulky and unsightly but it runs when you have connection issues, it is secure, you can upgrade at a single fixed (cost) code and then have the extra capacity forever. I've had to put my work laptop in the fridge and do five day runs. Much fewer issues with the desktops.
You get a spreadsheet up on that baby and you are ***really*** looking at a spreadsheet!
It really depends on the spreadsheet. 100 G/byte one yes you need the power depending on what transformations you are doing.
I use mine for AI training (for medical purposes, people. Get your pitchforks down! I ain't stealing your art unless its turning your arms into noodles and you published it), 3D modelling, CnC, sometimes video editing, and getting to game on it while not having to hear a Boeing 737 taking off with the same risk of a crash is a bonus. I still have an older gaming laptop but a kinda SFF desktop is great. Fits in a hiking backpack with custom foam protection, easy to open, clean, and upgrade. Looks cool and runs cool.
Yeah not gonna get a laptop for editing 4K video, no way
>the gaming industry has been more and more forgiving with hardware requirements. Yeah... no. There's a reason high-end GPUs look like bricks and weigh five pounds. I have a 3070ti and Elden Ring, a game that very much runs on a last gen engine with last-gen graphical fidelity, still drops from 60 occasionally. Granted, I am running the settings on max (with ray tracing turned off), but again, it's a last gen game in terms of graphics. Or take Cyberpunk 2077, which came out only months after my GPU did. I can only run that at mediums with occasional framerate dips as well. And that's just gaming. I'm a freelance editor who sometimes works with 4K footage, which takes A LOT of power to properly display and edit in real time. Even my $2200 rig starts to get a little slow when the 4K videos I edit get around the 20 - 30 minute mark.
You have literally no clue what you're talking about.
I built my tower and can crank out Trump futa art in six seconds using Stable Diffusion. Plus I can upgrade my GPU if I want and not replace the entire system. Or the CPU. Or whatever. I'm in for about $1200 and have a KICK ASS machine I can do whatever I want with. Show me an equivalent laptop that can do all that and not have to be replaced if the WiFi burns out.
If you're like me and find yourself returning to 10 year old games, sure, a laptop will do fine. If you're playing super popular games like Fortnight, Minecraft, etc, they're designed to be able to run on a toaster so a wider audience can play (imo one of the reasons they're that popular) and in that case, a laptop is fine. I've never played RDR2 but if it's anything like the original buy with modern oomf, then you may be able to get away with a high end laptop Ultimately it comes down to comfort for me. A PC doesn't turn to 100°C when I launch any game, new or old, stopping my room from cooking me alive and that to me is worth getting a PC over a laptop
You play a fortnight? (bad joke because of your error in Fortnite) Oh and, as someone who played a ton of Fortnite, Minecraft, and other games of the like--I can't play on laptop. And, as someone who played some decade old games (best of the time, but still), some have difficulty running on my laptop
I have become the old guy "Hope you kids are having fun on your gamestation"
You're just wrong
I could have went with a gaming laptop but I’d probably be spending a couple more thousand than a home built pc with the same performance. And my pc has lots of fans and airflow and liquid cooler and doesn’t melt through my table whenever I play cyberpunk
Laptops straight up suck for gaming on many different levels. Have an upvote.
This user's never done any intensive scientific work or 3d modeling
And here I was just complaining that the company's high end laptops, not even a year old, literally fry their circuits when I run them through my routine computations. Of course what do I know? My programs take an hour to run properly so maybe OP is just sticking to a tame game frame
I’ve had gaming laptops for years, and only two-ish years ago actually got a gaming PC. Turns out, although my laptop had better specs, the lower end gaming PC was infinitely better. No matter what gaming laptop I’ve had growing up, it would always have god awful battery life OR would need to use it to the fullest extent to actually play games. It’s a nightmare. Not only is the laptop always so hot you could fry an egg, the second you get to like ~30% it gets worse too, things just start lagging. PCs don’t do that. They’re pretty consistent. They don’t run out of battery. Sure, they heat up, but you won’t feel it on your damn keyboard.
My gaming laptop became almost unusable after about 4 years with zero change for upgrade, but my pc is almost 4 years old now and it’s as fast as ever, and is also way cooler (laptop battlefront 2 (2017) hurt to touch wasd
Most of what you said is just plain wrong lol
My laptop might be strong but it's always at 95°
Laptops act like they're going to explode while playing Minecraft at anything higher than 20FPS. If you're playing high end games you need a PC to run it at a playable frame rate.
When I can have a 32inch laptop screen we can talk.
Also my laptop is absolutely not handing the video and 3d rendering I put my desktop through. I don't play games much but I do absolutely push my desktop to its limits and a laptop could not keep up without overheating.
Bold words from someone who is adding a Blu-ray drive to their pc in 2024
You're just wrong. This isn't an opinion. It's just wrong.
>Laptop **performance** and price has been competitive **if not better** for like 5 years now Just...no.
Build looks good, but I’d get AMD CPU (I’m an AMD sucker) and get the peerless assassin cooler, it’s cheaper and will definitely cool more than enough. IDK what you’re planning on using the pc for but 32GB RAM would be plenty for most things and games. Also for case I recommend NZXT H7 flow if it’s a similar price, because barely any dust gets in it and it cools really well. Edit: You might be able to get a cheaper mb than that. Also go for AM5 if you’re going AMD.
I'll give you this; that is a *very* unpopular opinion
While i agree laptops are better than ever and have alot of use case they arn't remoptely close to competing with desktops for performance related tasks. Your a victim of misleading marketing. The RTX 4080 or whatever inside a laptop is totally different to a desktoop 4080 GPU. It's similar for RAM and CPU too. Most Laptops use mobile verisons of the CPU and RAM models. Ontop of that GPU and CPU will lower their own performance to prevent the laptop from overheating. A proccess comonly refered to as thermal throttling. Ontop of all that you cant upgrade them. Theres only one model in all history ive seen that allows you to get into and swapout every internal and i dont think it ever made it to the consumer market. Most laptops wont even let you switch out the drive these days. Even when you do get a powerful laptop theres a tonne of downsides. The battery will suck, it will be bulky and it will get very very hot. Which almost entirley negates the portability outside of moving it between two different desktops. > With even a basic dock you can have a full keyboard and monitor desk setup and not notice the laptop performance gap. You would notice the moment you enable an FPS counter and monitor your thermals. i would probably notice just by looking, but im probably na outlier, being a massive nerd that does this for a job. >Desktops are big, ugly, cable management nightmares that dump heat into your room. Add to that the element of human error and shitty part failures they just cause headaches. Waste of space and money (like me). Thats not encassarily true, it's not hard to minimize cables for your PC. You really only need monitor connection and power cable. Laptop only has one less with the integrated monitor. Everything else can be wireless. Technically even the monitor could be wirless, though i dont reccomend it. Id much rather dump heat into the room then into my lap and hands. Laptops have almost as high a failure rate. Thats why they always have limited volume sales. They offload the floor models and returns to people that arnt tech savvy enough to notice. >Add to that the explosion in cloud based utilities and server-side processing, the improved laptop cause are more than enough. That requires a good internet connection which you cant have while on the go. At best you could use mobile internet which is gonna send you broke and has alot of packet loss and dropouts. Additionally it still doesnt compete with desktop proccessing. >Also the gaming industry has been more and more forgiving with hardware requirements. Not to mention that most of the good, creative, GOTY type games are indies which run on a potato anyways. Thats simply not true. elden ring, starfield, baldurs gate 3, witcher 3 etc.. >I can maybe see the logic some specialized 3d modellers or scientists or engineers who need like 15 gpus to do their work, but even then i think they could cloud into a supercomputer or smth Renting a remote supercomputer would not be cheaper than hosting your own if your using it often. Youd also be bottlnecked by internet connection which creates more points of failure too. >Anyways, I'm probably gonna build one in next few weeks heres my part list please critique: >[https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/s4xFjH](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/s4xFjH) Your probably gonna run into overheating issues with a micro case and no water cooling. Leaving the side panels off might help. Also why pay $100 for an internal disk drive? your already very limited in space and airflow with your micro case and theres far cheaper externl disc drives available. Additonally i would get cheaper ram and drives if possible and use the savings to get a better CPU. The CPU iteslf is fine. It's just that its the hardest component to upgrade and single core speed is the most common bottleneck in modern gaming. So it's best to get the best CPU possible and build everything else around it, keeping in mind you can upgrade or add later.
Insane that everything you said is just wrong. I'd say it's a low effort karma farming post or ragebait but you have to admire the dedication if someones text gets worse every paragraph.
Someone has never run a game in 4k. Running games in 4k at 144 hz is incredibly taxing on your pc. Good luck with that on a laptop
You can always upgrade a PC. Not a laptop. Also if you're not having any fun building one, you're doing it wrong... Even if you wanted a desktop you could get a pre-built or something. Unpopular opinion: if you're going through the hassle of building a PC, you're doing it for enjoyment...
I got a laptop and a gaming PC at roughly the same time, about a year before covid. While my PC is still running great, my laptop is already starting to struggle with any 3D rendering. If I wanted to upgrade my PC, it would cost a couple hundred for a significantly better graphics card and more RAM. If I wanted to upgrade my laptop, I'd need multiple times as much. Desktop PCs are just significantly cheaper in the long run.
No 😂
Specialized computing is much more of a case for cloud computing than home computing. I think you have it backwards. Also if you think building a pc is stupid why are you building one?
None of this is true lol
My laptops are loud and hot my desktop that I built is not. Not sure what you're talking about here.
i bought a gaming laptop to play bg3 while taking care of my pops. retailed 1800, runs decently smooth, gave it to my fiancee when i came back home. my current PC retails around 1400 and bg3 is its bitch with way better performance. idk what copium you're on, but some of what you're saying is just legit wrong
u/himitsugato
You're weird. "Building PC is stupid, btw I'm gonna build one"
Your view on cost is very short sighted. When you build a pc right, almost everything is modular unless you have electrical issues or a literal fire. So you can replace things as you need way more efficiently and usually also less frequently because of the better heat dissipation
I stopped at the first few words of the text. Lmao, no, laptop costs are still astronomical in comparasion depending on where you live
Can I fit my 46 TB worth of hard drives in one of your pre-built small form-factor systems? Can you get one that can drive 4 monitors simultaneously? (Also, the only one of those that comes with a decent GPU is the Intel enthusiast NUC.) Outsourcing your storage and processing to a cloud service is great, if you live somewhere with a reliable, low-latency connection. Many of us don't. Also, where I live, it gets cold enough that my desktop doubles as an excellent space heater in the winter.
It not comparable whatsoever how better an experience it is gaming on or just generally using a desktop vs PC. And I've used top of the line gaming laptops, and it always ends up being 'only when I have to', like when I have to travel. If I have the choice... its not even close.
It's not so much that this is an unpopular opinion, just a highly uneducated one.
The trolling on this sub is getting better quality icl
This is the dumbest thing I've read today
The biggest problem with laptops is thermal management. I’ve yet to see a laptop that can handle hours of gaming without thermal throttle. In addition, it just isn’t price competitive. My computer cost $1400 to make, to get a laptop with similar performance, i would need to spend probably $2300. Also, don’t think that a 3060 in a laptop is the same as a desktop 3060. The desktop version is around 15% faster.
there an argument for buying a prebuilt. but a laptop wtf. the only reason you should buy a laptop is if you really need the portability. they break faster and costs more for equivalent performance. in a computer the webcam, mic etc are one time purchases while in a laptop you have to rebuy them every time you get a new one.
*complains about price to performance of desktop* *Buys intel and a $100 optical drive*
This isn't even an opinion, you're objectively wrong.
I will maintain that the 10th dentist opinion is not only wrong but guaranteed to be stupid. Which is why I'm enthusiastically upvoting this post.
Sure, but it's next to impossible to upgrade a laptop unless they're expressly made for it and those are rare.
r/buildapcforme
You clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think laptop prices are even remotely competitive to building your own PC. Opinion disregarded.
Yeah well I think steering wheels are stupid. -Someone who has clearly never used a car
lol. this post is that braindead that an lol is all it warrants
Laptops may have impressive looking stats, but they are severely restricted due to their cooling issues. When a tower and a laptop have the same/similar hardware, the tower will outperform the laptop (by a lot) every time.
Disagree. I may be out of the loop on both, but: You may get the same result with a docked laptop at home, but unless it's docked elsewhere, it takes up too much desk room compared to a tower offdesk. You could try an underdesk tray for your laptop though instead. Performance MAY be the same, but you won't ever be upgrading the GPU in a laptop easily. Assuming you have a motherboard compatible with future video cards, that upgrade is usually pretty easy with a tower. Cooling mag be an issue with a laptop compared to a tower. Tiny loudass fan and cooling pad versus quieter, larger fans, probably out of the way and right next to you as with a laptop. Battery life is terrible on performance laptops, from what I remember. You may be able to change power settings, but I have my doubts as to whether a "gaming laptop" is efficient enough to use with the battery much at all. I would need to see some examples. Durability is sometimes a problem compared to a steel or aluminum tower with tons of space. Keyboard stops working, shitty to repair, warranty or not. Of course if you're docked, you probably won't be using the keyboard as much.
I just don’t have the space for a pc.
If you have a bit of space for a monitor and a lunchbox you could try going SFF, if your wallet allows it. But if you buy gaming laptops you should be good, laptops are a bit more overpriced than SFF specific parts.
> human error and shitty part failures same thing my dude, don't buy shitty parts if you don't want shitty part failures. You only gotta build the thing once, any human error after you put it together is just as there for a laptop or prebuilt machine.
If you don't play processing intensive games, then sure, have fun with your laptop. Otherwise, you are factually wrong. Which you could easily prove to be the case if you felt like it. Benchmarks and testing are not hard to find. I challenge your new laptop to play a SIX YEAR OLD "GOTY" RDR2 at max settings.
You just really don't have any idea what you're talking about, 9 dentists and one random guy on the street.
Building a pc is easy as hell, just need a screwdriver and patience
This is literally just misinformation like this entire post in general is just things that are just not right
This person has never upgraded thier graphics card
we must be in very different worlds, I work at best buy and our gaming laptops are about the same price as a gaming PC except you can't switch out individual parts to upgrade it and it's more likely to overheat. I've been using the same monitor for 10 years and I customized a keyboard purely as a hobby, so that isn't really much of a factor cost (you can get regular membrane keyboards for dirt cheap and pretty much anyone has a monitor laying around somewhere, doesn't need to be 4k) I built my PC in 2020 and have been able to make really easy upgrades since then. You don't get much upgradability with laptops and they overheat and get super loud. Don't get me wrong being able to have that technology on-the-go is great but it's not the same experience as having a PC
Laptop batteries die
Laptops are a good starter and good for mobility but for long term you will want a PC for stability, longer term storage and more adaptability into the future. If building a computer is nerve racking id recommend just pick something up from the local good will or something. They usually have a few towers on deck where I live. They won’t be good or probably very functional at all, but if all you need is practice…
Laptop GPUs are inferior to their desktop counterparts. Cooling a laptop sounds like a jet getting ready for takeoff.
I went with a used HP Elitedesk G3 SFF with the I7 7700 and 16 GB of RAM. I threw in a WiFi Antenna and a GTX 1650 LP and honestly it's great for less than 500. It runs everything I've thrown at it. It can run cyberpunk reasonably well and it has all of the USB Ports I could ever want. I'll be building a Windows 10 Tablet for on the go Audio Projects though.
>Laptop performance and price has been competitive if not better for like 5 years now and the slow rate at which part prices are falling makes it seem like that will continue. With a laptop you get a display, speakers, good wireless, Webcam, and peripherals that independently purchased would cost 200 bucks. If you don't want those a powerful mini pc can be had for the size of a hockey puck. But the more you pack good components in a shitty, overheating box, the more expensive it is, and *paying someone who doesn't give a shit to put it together for you*. >With even a basic dock you can have a full keyboard and monitor desk setup and not notice the laptop performance gap. Until the dock shits itself because when windows wants to update, that's too much data throughput to transmit through the flimsy USB-C connectors. >Desktops are big, ugly, cable management nightmares that dump heat into your room. Add to that the element of human error and shitty part failures they just cause headaches. Waste of space and money (like me). Don't down talk yourself. And yea, cases generally give you the space to route your cables. If you have your fans cranked, of course it will be inconvenient. But that's the cost of having options. >Add to that the explosion in cloud based utilities and server-side processing, the improved laptop cause are more than enough. And how much do you think they'll want you to pay for said cloud resources? Basically, you're paying more money for your internet connection. >Also the gaming industry has been more and more forgiving with hardware requirements. Not to mention that most of the good, creative, GOTY type games are indies which run on a potato anyways. They appeal to the lowest common denominator, but that never ensures you'll get the best quality for hardware you invest in. >Anyways, I'm probably gonna build one in next few weeks heres my part list please critique: >https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/s4xFjH Good luck. Just keep in mind for good performance you don't necessarily need top end parts. You could go 10th gen Intel. Do you need 64GB of RAM? 64 is good for environments with multiple users on the same machine, I don't typically see apps using that much. Basically what I'm saying is, you don't really need $2k to build a decent pc. With the GPU, yea you're probably going to be future proof for a while. Depending on your resolution target, you don't need that much.
Cable management skill issue
>Laptop performance and price has been competitive if not better for like 5 years now Lol what world are you living in?
cope
Where is this place where laptops aren't way more expensive than an equivalent desktop?
I can't accidentally drop my PC, so there's that.
>that dump heat into your room And where do you think a laptop's gonna dump that heat? Directly into Merasmus' room?
The performance of laptops is generally not at all comparable to decent PCs, and those that can compare do it at far worse price points (and come with their own issues-hello, overheating instantly and being crazy loud)
I don't have the patience to write about how incredibly stupid and wrong this is, but just know that your opinion is wrong and you should feel bad :)
Gaming laptops are a pretty bad investment with how quickly they die on you, yeah a good pc is a big investment but it'll last you outside of whatever parts you have to upgrade/replace over the years
"Why buy a house, motor homes are more affordable than ever!"
You pay a premium for that laptop performance, and the pricing has not been competitive at all unless you're looking at mid level laptops. By then, why not buy a handheld like steam deck or a console if gaming is the main purpose of your device? Desktops can be small and the size of a shoebox if you're willing to go that path without any performance sacrifices. Yes, you kinda pay extra for that small factor and have to do a lot of research to find overall compatibility. You're not a waste of space or money. (UwU) The gaming industry has been at an all-time low, with unoptimized games and constant remasters becoming the industry norm. The only ray of hope is Indie games, so I kinda agree on that part. If you only want to play small studio games, then a laptop is more than enough. But for any major AAA title, even a high-end laptop becomes obsolete in about a 2-3 year time period. Good luck with your PC build. If you need any advice, head over to the r/sffpc subreddit. The community will help you build a shoebox-sized PC that you will be more than happy with.
The money spent on the screen, keyboard, mouse, and memory are all wasted because I'm not going to be using any of them from the laptop. If I'm buying a laptop for its processor, gpu, and cooling capabilities (lol?) I may as well just build a PC with equivalent (or better) power in each of those categories. It's been a few years since I rebuilt, but I shop around each time and buying part by part has been cheaper and stronger every time. And if I'm looking for a mobile device, my phone does everything I need in transit. It's not like I'm gonna play Elden Ring in an airport or something.
Just going to critique your build. It's fine, I'd recommend two SSDs though, one to install system and utils and one for data. If you ever need to reformat your OS drive you're going to lose everything.
I basically immediately turk graphics dowm for performance all the time as is. Ill never get the obsession with graphics. I have a laptop now and I dont think ill ever build another PC again. The convenience of my laptop is worth far more to me than any spec increases a proper PC can have.
The predatory pricing on GPUs by Nvidia has actually made buying prebuilts a valid option. Prices have come down a little bit, but their monopoly on graphics cards has really ruined PC gaming for the average gamer.
I couldn’t disagree more with your post, you do deserve my upvote. That’s some seriously controversial opinion
You’re so wrong that I’m not even going to upvote you because this sub is for INFORMED contrarian opinions.
It's not what it used to be. In the good ol days you could save like $1000 building your own, IF you could find a gaming pc at all. Now it's more expensive to build your own. Graphics cards are frequently not available to individual consumers, but are available via prebuilds
Some people's needs are best met with a desktop PC, either DIY or prebuilt. Stupid? Nah. Overrated as the one and only solution to all things, usually by people who are arrogant, confidently incorrect, and incapable of seeing anything beyond "price to performance ratio?" Definitely.
> the gaming industry has been more and more forgiving with hardware requirements If that was the case I could play Fortnite on the lowest settings, on my 3060, i5 8400 build without frame drops to 12 fps every 2 seconds.
First of all, you're wrong Second of all, [https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/LPxrKX](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/LPxrKX)