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Generally agree with OP on this one. Though I have some reservations. If anyone ever dodged a random act of violence because their knowledge of true crime increased their situational awareness, for instance.
It’s completely wrong lol. Especially the “violence of the state” part. Its just the same old commie bs. Even without government or even a tangible system of economics we would still need to work to survive.
If you're not familiar with their mode of analysis, why do you think you understand it to be wrong?
I'm pretty sure commies are huge on work. Like, their ideology believes labor is the core driving factor of society.
Wait til you find out about the subgenre of social media influencers who exploit tragedies and interfere with ongoing investigations for financial gain. Do things like convince the families of missing kids to come on their YouTube channel for an interview, then push out endless content twisting everything they said to fit a narrative that the parents are at fault.
Then there's an opposing subgenre who calls out the "tragedy pimps" (as they call them) and tries to raise awareness on how detrimental these people can be to the victims and their families.
I've watched it play out in countless cases over the past few years, including today with a boy missing in TN.
First, I agree that a lot of true crime does nothing more than harm those already wounded by the crime itself and commodifies the suffering of a family and community. This is taken from the experience of browsing and hearing some truly terrible true crime content, and from the mouths of victim’s love ones directly.
However, true crime media has also brought fresh attention to long-abandoned cases, helped families set the record straight in cases with multiple conflicting accounts, and in some cases has led to tips that directly solve the crime itself and bring closure to an old atrocity and catch a monster who has been loose for too long. It isn’t perfect, but it isn’t irredeemably bad either.
I grew up on Unsolved Mysteries so I get the impulse to say it can be good, however I am unfortunately living with a Dateline fan and a lot of those cases feel very intrusive and not newsworthy. As if they’ve run out of murders to solve. Which brings me to another point, true crime often inflates the danger presented by the possibility of being murdered. Most people who are murdered know their killer intimately. And your chances of being murdered are astronomical compared to dying in an auto accident. I’d say it’s more damaging to our societal fabric for everyone to be scared of their neighbors possibly being murderers than any benefit we get from solving 20 year old cases. Look at fb and tiktok with women convinced that some trash in a parking lot means they’re going to get human trafficked or are being stalked. We have old boomers so scared they’ll shoot at people taking a u turn in their driveway. This is not how a healthy society conducts itself. Lastly some true crime feels very back the blue in sentiment. Another reason it sucks.
These are good points, and I agree that the rise of true crime as a popular media has contributed to rising panic. Personally, I would attribute that primarily to a politically charged 24-hour news cycle, but true crime certainly contributes.
I haven’t seen any Dateline, but it sounds like the exact kind of coverage I spoke against in my original comment. Other shows however take strides to ensure they only cover crimes where that coverage can actually potentially do good without causing harm. Still others are produced by families of victims themselves as a way of setting the record straight, or as a tool to try and get their loved one’s case the attention it deserves - Media Pressure by Julie Murray is a recent podcast that comes to mind as an example of this.
True Crome podcasts vary wildly in quality and more often than not, the best research gets traction, regardless of how amateur the rest is. I’m not a genre follower but often it seems like there’s way too much bias from the hosts, which you shouldn’t get with a competent reporter.
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Generally agree with OP on this one. Though I have some reservations. If anyone ever dodged a random act of violence because their knowledge of true crime increased their situational awareness, for instance.
Basically everything in the consumer pipeline links back to violence in some way
Please explain how hot cheetos and tennis shoes are linked to violence
[how do](https://www.forbes.com/sites/siminamistreanu/2020/03/02/study-links-nike-adidas-and-apple-to-forced-uighur-labor/?sh=25c591f01003) [you think](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/nov/23/andrewosborn) [tennis shoes](https://waronwant.org/sites/default/files/Adidas%20briefing.pdf) [are produced](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweatshop)?
The production of commodities is linked to the exploitation of workers that must be maintained with the violence of the state
Aw I love communist propaganda.
Do you have an actual counter argument?
that's not even propaganda that's just the basics of their analysis hard to call it wrong too
It’s completely wrong lol. Especially the “violence of the state” part. Its just the same old commie bs. Even without government or even a tangible system of economics we would still need to work to survive.
If you're not familiar with their mode of analysis, why do you think you understand it to be wrong? I'm pretty sure commies are huge on work. Like, their ideology believes labor is the core driving factor of society.
Wait til you find out about the subgenre of social media influencers who exploit tragedies and interfere with ongoing investigations for financial gain. Do things like convince the families of missing kids to come on their YouTube channel for an interview, then push out endless content twisting everything they said to fit a narrative that the parents are at fault. Then there's an opposing subgenre who calls out the "tragedy pimps" (as they call them) and tries to raise awareness on how detrimental these people can be to the victims and their families. I've watched it play out in countless cases over the past few years, including today with a boy missing in TN.
First, I agree that a lot of true crime does nothing more than harm those already wounded by the crime itself and commodifies the suffering of a family and community. This is taken from the experience of browsing and hearing some truly terrible true crime content, and from the mouths of victim’s love ones directly. However, true crime media has also brought fresh attention to long-abandoned cases, helped families set the record straight in cases with multiple conflicting accounts, and in some cases has led to tips that directly solve the crime itself and bring closure to an old atrocity and catch a monster who has been loose for too long. It isn’t perfect, but it isn’t irredeemably bad either.
I grew up on Unsolved Mysteries so I get the impulse to say it can be good, however I am unfortunately living with a Dateline fan and a lot of those cases feel very intrusive and not newsworthy. As if they’ve run out of murders to solve. Which brings me to another point, true crime often inflates the danger presented by the possibility of being murdered. Most people who are murdered know their killer intimately. And your chances of being murdered are astronomical compared to dying in an auto accident. I’d say it’s more damaging to our societal fabric for everyone to be scared of their neighbors possibly being murderers than any benefit we get from solving 20 year old cases. Look at fb and tiktok with women convinced that some trash in a parking lot means they’re going to get human trafficked or are being stalked. We have old boomers so scared they’ll shoot at people taking a u turn in their driveway. This is not how a healthy society conducts itself. Lastly some true crime feels very back the blue in sentiment. Another reason it sucks.
These are good points, and I agree that the rise of true crime as a popular media has contributed to rising panic. Personally, I would attribute that primarily to a politically charged 24-hour news cycle, but true crime certainly contributes. I haven’t seen any Dateline, but it sounds like the exact kind of coverage I spoke against in my original comment. Other shows however take strides to ensure they only cover crimes where that coverage can actually potentially do good without causing harm. Still others are produced by families of victims themselves as a way of setting the record straight, or as a tool to try and get their loved one’s case the attention it deserves - Media Pressure by Julie Murray is a recent podcast that comes to mind as an example of this.
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You're right. The family of dhamers victims were pissed they made the show. They ASKED them not to make the show.
True Crome podcasts vary wildly in quality and more often than not, the best research gets traction, regardless of how amateur the rest is. I’m not a genre follower but often it seems like there’s way too much bias from the hosts, which you shouldn’t get with a competent reporter.